5:2 Diet Thread! Number 15! Our quinceañera!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 15:33:12

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Talkinpeace Mon 11-Mar-13 15:47:47


Aaahhhh! TiP you scared me! shock Ha ha. grin Ok so I'm being silly.

frenchfancy Mon 11-Mar-13 16:10:42

Got in early for once grin

Fasting today. Looking forward to my butternut squash casserole tonight.

Someone mentioned on the previous thread that 5:2 was expensive due to all the meat and fish - I have found the opposite. I always eat vegetarian on fast days as you get bigger portions for the same calories. And I think the idea that men need their meat is rather insulting to men wink

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 16:14:26

eek TIP grin

FF We've found we've saved a load of money. I mean, we've not done actual figures (probably would have, if we'd thought about it) but our grocery bills are much smaller now. That's even accounting for buying a few special items for non-fast days.

Breadandwine Mon 11-Mar-13 16:15:01

Well done, GE!

Settle down, TiP!

Quite agree, FF

Ezzza, have you had your oats, yet? wink

By which I mean have you slated your appetite for Oatleys, yet? grin

Ah! Breadandwine, not had any Oaties yet but I seem to have spent the last 10 days eating my way through all the things I couldn't get in China. Hopefully the novelty will wear off soon and I'll go back to eating 'normally' on non-fast days. Until then it's probably a very good job I'm doing 4:3!

ThinkICan Mon 11-Mar-13 16:50:41

Everyone on this new thread sounds slightly tipsy! So can we add a sense of extreme well-being as one of the side effects of this WOL? grin

plecofjustice Mon 11-Mar-13 16:52:16

Fasting for me too! A cake and afternoon tea infusion out of my graze box to look forward to when I get home, then cauliflower pizza for dinner. Definitely agree with whoever said that it's easier being veggie on fast days - I usually go veggie or vegan, can eat loads and loads for very little!

Completely failed on my fast today - I am already at 509 calories - it was the tin of butter beans and the grapefruit what did it.......

plecofjustice Mon 11-Mar-13 17:04:02

oooh butter beans.... OmNomNomNom!!

(no jam today, jam tomorrow!)

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Mar-13 17:07:12

Thanks greeneggs

Have to say not eating as much meat as we usually do & definitely eating more pulses even on non fasting days.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Mar-13 17:25:27

Meant to add that only managed to go for 20 hours as its just too cold. I caved & had some lovely soup my mum made! But still gives me 300 calories for dinner so not all bad. I think it's the first time since I started going for 24 hours that I've not managed to do it. But I live the fact that I don't think I've 'failed' if that makes sense. Onwards & downwards grin

Breadandwine Mon 11-Mar-13 17:30:21

Dr Robert Lustig is on BBC Radio 4 PM Right now!

hello! i am bloody freeeeeeeezzzzing! just walked home in a literal snow blizzard ffs. i'm back out for my evening work event in an hour and probably not home till nearly 9. of course being so cold is making me feel starving and wondering if i can make it through till i get home again without eating.

plan is to have a marmite drink just before i go and then nothing bar water till i get home. should make it easy to keep to 500 i guess just so long as i don't starve to death before then wink

hopefully all of the freezing and shivering has made me burn more calories than usual.

welcome to newcomers and waves to everyone fasting on this freezing cold day - just think how much easier this is going to be come summery days! mind you resisting beer gardens might be a challenge for me.

please god let me have a decent loss tomorrow to make this hypothermia worthwhile.

catsrus Mon 11-Mar-13 17:38:33

Just caught the end of that B&W thanks - thought the interviewer a tad aggressive confused.

having an old fashioned fast day today grin working at home, cold, snow, and after a weekend full of treats and carbs I need to get back in the saddle. Lots of tea, miso soup, and a couple of hard boiled eggs for lunch. will have a stir fry with superglue noodles later and hope that does the trick. I should be able to fit in 4:3 this week and I hope that will get my bounce back down to where it was this time last week!

catsrus Mon 11-Mar-13 17:39:58

ooh SaF summer - beer gardens - the feel of the sun on my back <sigh> I'm ready for that - and the huge tasty salads fresh from the garden....

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 17:40:58

lol ThinkICan yes we might all be slightly loopy. wink It's a fast day for me, anyway.

I am definitely cold. I'm looking forward to my veg pot. Or veg soup. I've been so busy today I'm actually not particularly hungry yet.

dines Mon 11-Mar-13 17:44:09

So I was ment to be fasting today but.... there was some cake left from yesterday and.... u all know wot comes next lol
So I've decided to eat my normal days calories 1500 my last fast was last Wednesday.. does it effect anything if u leave fasts to long between feed days? Hope not.

fancyanother Mon 11-Mar-13 17:49:16

Hi all, I have just decided to start the 5:2 diet, and thought it would be a good idea to join you all. This is my first fast day, I've been fine so far, even managed to resist when the kids were having their tea after school and there were loads of leftovers! I've decided to break up my calories into three chunks. I had 2 poached eggs and some cherry tomatoes for breakfast, a mini pot of hummus and carrot sticks for lunch and I will be having prawn stir fry for dinner, without the noodles. My DH is seeing how I go, then he may join me. He's eating the same dinners as me though for fast days, but with carbs, so he will have noodles with the stir fry! I have a bit of a headache now, and have been drinking herbal tea and coffee to try and shake it. I've had to really think about my eating, and even after one day, I can't believe how much I snack in a normal day! The times where I have had to stop myself just eating that leftover bit of toast, or having a biscuit, or a bit of ham while making a sandwich for my DS's! It is a real eye opener! I have the book, and hope it really is as revolutionary as they say. As well as being a stone and a half overweight, I have a history of diabetes in my family and I think I have a blood sugar imbalance a a result. I had slight GD in both my pregnancies so am almost a dead cert for type 2 diabetes in the future.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 17:55:41

dines this is my own personal opinion, but I think if you're struggling to get a fast day done, I'd keep it as a half-fast. So, don't just say stuff it and eat until you hit 1500, rather, just proceed as you would normally on a fast day. Especially if your next planned fast isn't until Weds, and your last one was on Weds. (My advice would be different if you'd been doing this a while and you were regularly easily having 2x fast days a week- a missed fast is no big deal. But if you're just starting and would like to see some results, you'd do a lot better to half a half-fast than no fast at all today, especially if tomorrow is a normal eating day)

Hope that makes sense smile Obviously just do what works for you, but that's what I'd do.

Thank you for the kind welcome on the other thread. Today is a feast day but I've actually not eaten yet, I've been so busy, I'm planning of filling up now so tomorrow is easier. I definitely find it easier to only eat one meal on a fast day. grin

dines Mon 11-Mar-13 18:23:11

I got my graze box delivered today I had a banana cake and a afternoon infusion tea... brazilian nuts with chocolate buttons. . Dried apple slices with toffee sauce and savoury rosemary bread sticks and a dip.. I love those boxes

dines Mon 11-Mar-13 18:29:50

Greeneggsandnichts tomorrow will be my fast day as I couldn't do today.. if I fail to do a fast will always do it the following day. I've noticed a difference this week.. I've lost another 2lb ..a inch off my stomach and a half off my waist .. so pleased even tho I've been eating normally on my feed days, not counting every calorie. Like I wud on fast days.. has anyone lost anymore

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Mon 11-Mar-13 18:35:36

Hello all, just dropping into the new thread briefly. Getting through a good fast day today, 20 hours done easy and broke the fast with a New York soup (nacho chilli chicken - nom) and had a couple of cups of tea. Still have about 350 cals left for the evening - so trying to decide what to do with them. Might have some toast/butter and a cup of tea before bed as up at the crack of dawn for a 5k run on an empty stomach.

Have had a 7ish lb loss since starting - that and about 10 inches off my body - feeling amazing and in control of my life and my food grin

Am having some issues with naysayers though - I think it might be jealousy because it really is working!!

Just checking in at the beginning of the thread....and to say sorry for the cold! Cheered me up no end in my self indulgent flu induced wallow that I'm able to post this from my garden in the sunshine wearing jeans and t shirt.wink

Not fasting today as I've already quaffed orange juice and hot honey and lemon (all from our garden but probably a shit ton of sugar). Not hungry yet so paying attention to my body rather the usual "I'm a bit sick so I'll eat lots and lots of carbs" and fast properly tomorrow

Talkinpeace Mon 11-Mar-13 18:38:48

Welcome aboard.

Yes, I heard Lustig on Radio 4 : Carolyn had been told to challenge him. He was not phased. It came out well.

silverbeetle Mon 11-Mar-13 18:50:46

Fasting today, but found it really hard and I'm so bloody cold and miserable. When are we going to get some spring like weather?

flowers for the new thread Greeneggsandnichts as efficient as always.

Welcome to all the newbies

mehefin Mon 11-Mar-13 19:06:56

I returned to work yesterday after a week off to find that out of 6 night staff 4 of us are now doing 5:2 ! I have found a marked decrease in 'jet-lag' symptons after my nights since starting this. Does anyone else work nights ? What is your experience ?
Good to read everyone's encouraging updates

serotonin interesting that you say that about naysayers...I haven't told anyone I'm doing this! DDs haven't noticed (as long as they're fed they're happy) and DP is away, has been for nearly 6 weeks. DP estimates he has lost 11kg over the last 5-6 weeks through sensible eating and drinking, using MFP and almost daily workouts thanks to using the gym in the various hotels he has stayed in. We skype every day but I haven't said I'm doing 5:2, just that I'm also trying to lose weight.

I guess he'd be fine with it (it clearly works, I've lost 7lbs already) but I think I'm embarrassed to admit how much I'd gained! He's back on Saturday and I plan to come clean and continue fasting twice a week.

What sort of comments have you had? Since I only have 15lbs to lose, many would tell me I don't need to lose weight.

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Mar-13 19:37:01

Ooh shiny new busy thread already!

Today is a fast day, aside from still being full of cold and it being bloomin' freezing today it's gone ok, plus as my last meal yesterday was lunch I'm guessing I had a nice 22 hours of zero consumption.

Just found myself foraging round the kitchen for something, had a few nuts and dried fruits, which has probably taken me over my calorie count but I'm not too strict about it, and realised it was the anticipated sugar cravings post-chocolate infused weekend. Now I know that I've stopped desperately scratching through the cupboards and settled myself with an aspartame laden low cal hot chocolate. I try to avoid the (aspartame) stuff completely but sometimes it's the lesser of two evils.

And there's actual cake and biscuits and chocolate in the house so I've done ok actually grin

monster54 Mon 11-Mar-13 19:38:19

Well my fast day and full of cold and exhausted from many sleepless night with poorly DD I've had a boiled egg at lunch and I've got a 400 cal meal for dins....

On the face of it pretty good. But I've drunk loads of coffee today with milk and I've not counted the milk....

Anyway...Wed is another fast day. For now I'm just ready for bed!!!

BsshBossh Mon 11-Mar-13 19:48:02

Good lord, the 15th thread!!

I'm 22 hours into my fast. Going to try and hang in for another hour before breaking. Fasting has gone really well today - no impulses to eat, no major hunger pangs. Even managed quite an intense cardio session at the gym. I think it's because I ate so much over Mother's Day weekend - my body is still fuelling itself from the food grin.

Anyone else more productive on fast days? Because I'm no longer breaking to get breakfast, lunch, snacks (I try and eat nothing until dinner) I'm getting loads done. It's a terrific bonus.

Bramblesinafield Mon 11-Mar-13 19:52:29

Well it's been a freezing and a busy day. Usual fast broken around 3pm.

As a practicality, I batch bake and freeze my fast day meal. Then I know I ahve it and its easy. I can bung something else in, or the men sort stuff for themselves.

Major self control as our chickens ahve been laying a lot (they think its spring, poor girls) so I used half a dozen eggs to make banana bread and a Vsc. Major mum points when two tired teen boys arrived home from school, and goodies for our lunchbox boxes tomorrow.

Hoping to still be under 11 stone tomorrow, at least I should fit into my night out clothes midweek. smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 20:10:58

dines oh good, sorry I must have mis-read. And well done grin

Good idea Brambles I like to have my fast day food fairly easily accessible, too. smile

BumBiscuits Mon 11-Mar-13 20:15:58

Hey everyone. I've just done my eleventh fast and broke my 11lbs lost barrier today!

marking place

ellenbrody Mon 11-Mar-13 20:16:09

Evening all! Fasted today fairly successfully, 540 cals, but I'm not too worried about going a teeny bit over as I'm maintaining now.
It was soooo cold I really didn't fancy my salad lunch, but it was all I had with me at work. Lots of tea helped keep me warm until my chilli soup for dinner.

I think one more cuppa with a tiny splash of milk and a warm bath before an early night.

Well done to all faster today, another day under our (loosening) belts.

monster54 Mon 11-Mar-13 20:19:28

Well done bumbiscuits!!!!

Iwearblack Mon 11-Mar-13 20:44:27

Well done bumbiscuits! 11 stone barrier is the next target for me and am about 11-2 to 11-3 at WI last week so hopefully there soon.

Here's a pedantic question for those doing 24 hr fasts ..... I eat my last meal at say 7 pm then may have one (or three) glasses of wine during the evening, but no nibbles. i then go to bed at say 11 pm. The next day I fast and don't eat until 7 pm .... would you class that as a 24 hr fast or go from when the last wine was quaffed and so call it a 21 hr fast?? I know it doesn't really matter but just wondered how precise you were about the 'no calories for 24 hrs' thing ....

Just wondering.....

Iwearblack Mon 11-Mar-13 20:46:20

Oh just realised it was 11lbs lost barrier blush . Must read more carefully!

Iwearblack, I count the booze as calories so I count my fast as starting from when I swallow the last mouthful. I don't often make it a complete 24 hours though as I refuse to restrict myself on non-fast days, mainly because I do 4:3 so restricting myself the day before a fast would effectively mean the fasting would affect 6 days each week. (I wonder if this mentality is part of the reason the stats on the fastdiet website didn't show much difference in weightloss between 5:2ers and 4:3ers.)

cold, cold, cold!

home from event - sadly they had indian tea and plates of pakora all over the meeting table and i did have a cup of tea (too cold to say no) and a few tastes of the pakora. am just heating up a 225cal ww chicken hotpot and i'm sure i'll still be under 500 or near enough and i managed nearly a clear 24hr fast so it will do.

tomorrow off of work thank goodness. plan is to stick to the 5hr window if possible and not go mad - will guesstimate what i'm eating to try and stick to tdee. i need a 'good' week after the week behind me.

hope everyone is enjoying their evening - plan is eat then sleep for me and hope it's a warmer day tomorrow.

Breadandwine Mon 11-Mar-13 21:24:23


I'm pretty strict about the 24 hour thing. I began my last fast at 6.15 last night, earliest I've ever started, I think! Means I was able to eat at a reasonable time tonight. It was only a mini fast - in that I ate a normal dinner afterwards. I'll do a proper, <600 cal 24 hour fast on Weds.

I call myself lucky, in that I have no trouble fasting; but somehow, knowing that I can have my usual glass of stout at 6.15 really slowed the clock down!

That last hour absolutely crawled by! So, yes, I am rather precise about it. I'm aware in the great scheme of things that it probably won't make a great deal of difference - after all, Dr M builds 2 shorter (12 hour?) fasts into one fasting day.

I do find that rather puzzling, in fact, since at least 2 of the scientists on his programme are on record as recommending 24 hours as the way to go. confused

BsshBossh I find I'm absolutely buzzing on a fast day, definitely! When you think about it, our ancestors never hunted on a full tummy, did they? They did all their hunting on an empty stomach - and they had to have all their wits about them when they did it!

The more I learn about fasting, and this way of living, the more I become convinced by it.

Saw this comment by someone on the 52fastdiet forum:

I hope I never go a week in my life without fasting at least one day ever again.

Hear, hear, say I!

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Mar-13 21:32:08

Hello everyone, can't believe it's another new thread already!
So I survived my stressy work meeting in freezing, snowy London and did my fast! Had banana at 3.00 and then resisted snacking on the train journey home apart from 2 fingers of KitKat (actually resisted the other two fingers which is unheard of for me), then got home to a spicy bulgar wheat and roasted veg salad. All came in under my 500 cals which was brilliant.

BumBiscuits Mon 11-Mar-13 21:33:26

I wish it was the 11 stone barrier. Or 12 lol. I'll be at 11 in 23 lbs time. It'll happen though, somewhere down the line. In certain of that.

rushka Mon 11-Mar-13 21:39:32

Hello one and all, I popped in a week ago to ask a question about fearing I'd turn into a bingeing monster on non-fasting days. Am very happy to say that those of you who said this wouldn't happen are right, which is a big relief!

I've completed my third fast day as of today. This was the hardest one, because of the cold and I had a few hours at home alone with the kids, when it was very tempting to eat. Fortunately a friend then came round and I was suitably distracted till supper-time.

bold: fancyanother I totally agree with you about what an eye-opener it is to the usual mindless eating that can go on!

I also find that successfully fasting means I now don't have a 'fear' of hunger, so it's easier to go between meals without panicking, and has made me more aware of when I'm full. Amazing the knock-on effects... but I'm only in week 2, so it's early days!

well done dotty - not sure you believed you could do it but you did smile

glad the non fast days are going well rushka. some non fast days i overeat but then previously i was overeating pretty much every day so in context it's all good.

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Mar-13 21:47:08

Thanks swallowedafly. Looking forward to eating normally tomorrow I have to say grin

Iwearblack Mon 11-Mar-13 21:58:20

Hmm yes it's as I thought ... I too find that restricting from the night before is too restrictive for me. I'll stick with my 19-20 hr fasts!

brookiemegs Mon 11-Mar-13 22:02:47

Hi all, I'd like to join if that's ok? smile
I've been doing 5:2 with OH for about a month now. I have lost about 5pounds and had basically all of last week off so Its going pretty well.
I have definitely lost some inches in the waist too.
I was just wondering why snacking is so bad? I am pretty well suited to this diet in that I never have breakfast, and rarely lunch unless me and OH spend the day together. I do snack throughout the day though, usually on healthy stuff but I have been making bad choices hence the weight gain! But if I stop eating junk and carry on snacking on veg, fruit, nuts, yogurt etc throughout the day and have a big meal in the night, is that bad?
Sorry if this question has been asked already, it's hard to keep up smile

woahthere Mon 11-Mar-13 22:11:39

Am i doing the 5:2 right. I havent read any books or anything or figured out my daily allowance etc. Im just fasting on a Tuesday and Thursday. Have no breakfast or lunch and just have 400 calories for my dinner as I drink tea with skimmed milk in the day and figure thats 100. On the other days I have what I want, dont even think about it. I have lost 1st 2 lbs since end of January. Weigh ins are confusing as they jump up and down so much. Should i be doing anything different , be more careful?

BsshBossh Mon 11-Mar-13 22:36:32

Iwearblack I count from the last wine as it's still calories.

BumBiscuits Mon 11-Mar-13 22:41:50

Sounds like you're doing it right woahthere. Well done on your loss.

BsshBossh Mon 11-Mar-13 22:43:38

woah you sound like you're doing great smile

Well, I made it to 23 hours fasting smile Will resume 16:8 (so eating to TDEE but within an 8 hour window) for the rest of the week but may throw in another 500 cal/24 hr fast on Thursday.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 23:01:22

Welcome to the thread, brookie smile

Snacking, well, if you can snack and still lose weight I'd say it's fine, personally. The idea of snacking is one which is often criticised here because it's something which has been sold to us by the snack food industry, essentially that as soon as we feel any slight pang of hunger, we should grab some snack to fill that void. However, it's actually not a bad thing to give our bodies a break from continually digesting food, as this way of eating has shown.

It's up to you, really. I snack some days, some days I don't. But the calories often add up faster on the days when I've had snacks, so it's not a bad idea to keep an eye on it.

And grats on your success so far!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 11-Mar-13 23:04:44

woah your weigh-ins will naturally jump up and down if you aren't consistent about the time of day/ time of the week etc. If you weigh in after a fast day you'll get a lower weight than if you weigh in after an eating day. If you weigh in the morning it'll be different from the evening. A lot of it, with this particular eating plan, is due to the simply fact that sometimes we have very little food in our systems, and sometimes we don't. Sometimes there's constipation to deal with. etc. All of it adds some numbers to the scale.

You're losing weight, though, so just keep doing what you're doing! Well done!

parrotsandcarsnips Mon 11-Mar-13 23:20:27

mehefin I too work nights intermittently. Before 5:2 I would have grazed all night, cups of tea, bagels, toast as I would get nauseated around 4-5am. Fasting difficult but not impossible now on 5:2 but I do feel more alert like you say & no nausea thankfully. I used to drop a couple of pounds though when I do 2 weeks of nights together as despite the carbs I was not doing the emotional mindless eating when the dc's went to bed. I would love to know your routine for 5:2 on night shift? I try and fast 12 hours just 10-10am and then eat again at 6pm. It's not as long a fast but calorie intake still at 500

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Mar-13 06:22:16

Morning all. Just wondering if anyone else feeling nauseous after a fast day? Only just started happening the last couple of weeks. Not enough to stop me fasting but nauseous enough for me to not be able to fast two days in a row. Was planning on fasting again today as no other day this week due to other commitments.

snoworneahva Tue 12-Mar-13 07:11:19

[Thanks] Greeneggs Pulling up a chair....new thread and all that.

Aftereights dh often feels waves of nausea on fast days - I have had it a couple of times - it passes after a few seconds.

Day after fast, awake very early again. Got up and make some wheat free raspberry & almond muffins for the dcs breakfast - had one myself which should set me up nicely for a freezing cold exercise session in the park.
Just ordered a mincer, with the intention of making my own sausages - quite excited about my new foodie project. smile

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 08:14:48

Morning all. Was far too hungover yesterday to fast so am going for it today, hoping to go for 24hrs.

morning all smile

well yesterdays fast turned into a mini fast as i ended up eating digestive biscuits taking me well over my 500. what threw me was the having to go to an evening event freezing so not managing to say no to the sweet indian tea and picking at a few bits of pakora. so when evening events are on i'm going to schedule a mini fast like i ended up doing of not eating all day but then not calorie counting too much come evening.

anyway the scales have gone in the right direction and i'll just attempt to make today the fast day. that way i could do today and thursday as proper fasts and still get two in this week.

my scales are jumping all over the place at the minute - today i weighed twice as i wasn't sure about what they said - first time said 11.4.6 second time 11.3.8. suspect i may need a new battery sometime soon. my 'official' weigh in day is wednesday. will be 6wks on this woe tomorrow so i'll take what i weigh tomorrow as my true progress.

my goal really is to have at least glimpsed under the 11st mark by next wednesday.

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Mar-13 08:20:49

I seem to be stuck at 11st3 after glimpsing 11st2 early last week. Very irritating!
Hope to see 11st2 again this week and then stabilise there for a week or so before continuing downwards...

ah we're in similar boats dotty. i glimpsed 11.2.4 last week and haven't seen it since.

greenfig Tue 12-Mar-13 08:33:48

Yes me too itsaboat Didn't even manage planned safs yoga, lay slumped in a blanket on safa eating carbs trying to feel bettergrin
Today is another day, am not surprisingly up 2lbs!!

oh do do the yoga. i can feel a sort of inner girdle within my seat area building up. it does work. didn't do it yesterday so must, must, must get back to it today.

Hi all,

Just signing on for my third fast days, I did the other two before I found these threads so hoping the support will make it easier, I didn't know about the 24 hour thing so unfortunately I ate something at
10pm last night, I will eat at around 5.30 today so still a decent run. I will do the 24 hour thing on my next fast though.

I plan on keeping busy, drinking lots of water and having a huge salad with chicken for tea. DS is at nursery today so after giving him some toast I don't actually have to touch food until this evening as he eats at nursery.

I actually enjoy the empty feeling I get on fast days, I don't feel sluggish at all.

I must admit though I'm cold.

greenfig Tue 12-Mar-13 09:01:30

Anyone else noticed rubbish nails since fasting? Mine are never great but REALLY flaky since fasting. I eat quite a lot of good fats too, nuts avocados, oily fish etc.
Will do the yoga saf I have only watched the opening mins but am always keen for new suggestions from you tube. Anybody else do any good ones? Yoga & pilates inparticular.
itsaboat I feel like i need porridge already. I think it's a hangover from the hangoversad Good luck with todays fast storm A lot easier when nobody around. I have yet to achieve a 24hrs fast, maybe one day!

mehefin Tue 12-Mar-13 09:14:14

Hi parrotsandcarsnips,
What I am finding works for me at the moment is before my 1st night of the week I fast for about 20 hours then have a couple of weetabix about 4pm and sleep for 4 hours and a bowl of soup before work.
I eat about 1am - can't go through the night without food! But my night meals have transformed into brown rice and cottage cheese or salad and protein no more dipping into the biscuit tin all night !
Later in the week I do a conventional fast day and sometimes a half fast as well to make up for having that meal in the night.

I lost 9 pounds in the first five weeks am trying not to weigh myself now til April in the hope my weight will begin with a 12 then.

I saw in the book that Mimi is the same height as me and now weighs 5 stone less a way to go yet then !

ELR Tue 12-Mar-13 09:42:52

Hi all yesterday's fast was quite easy but i was freezing. Woke in the night with a headache which has now more or less a migraine but not a full on sick one!

Greenfig..... My nails are more flakey than usual but thought it was my iron levels so didn't think much of it but could be the fasting, who knows?!

Weigh in tomorrow but feel like I ave gained not lost this week but we will see.

I am going to give SAFS yoga a go too but maybe tomorrow as too cold and head killing me.

Good luck whoever is fasting today.

Hello new thread! 4th fast day today. Weighed myself this morning and I am still a couple of pounds down from my starting weight so that must be 'real' weight loss - despite eating rubbish all weekend - hurray! Plan for today is 1/2 carton of Covent Garden soup, maybe a sachet of porridge, then salad in the evening. And licorice tea - thanks to whoever mentioned that somewhere as it's been a lifesaver! Still feeling more energetic than before I started this.

Next fast day is normally Friday but I'm giving blood that afternoon so am assuming I should move it to Thursday ...

parrotsandcarsnips Tue 12-Mar-13 10:04:44

mehefin I might try the longer fast then on my first night on.This WOE definitely results in healthier choices. BTW thats great weight loss I too have lost about 5lbs but the main goal is to reduce cholesterol. I look forward to having cholesterol bloods repeated in 3 months!

Too cold today for salad, may have to rethink my choices
systemsaddict yes totally agreed bout liquorice tea I love it even on non-fast days

Mrsap Tue 12-Mar-13 10:31:05

Well done on all the loses and thx for the new thread. It has been said before but I can barely keep up. So many posts!

Not fasting today but yesterday was a good one as usual.

Just as an aside, has anyone noticed their tastes changing (or awareness of their tastes)?

It had dawned on me in the last few weeks that there are certain things that I used to eat that I don't even like! Chocolate being one of them (handy). But other stuff too like cheap /fake crisps (think quavers, Pringles), sweet drinks, juice etc?

All good things to not like which is lucky.

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Tue 12-Mar-13 10:36:30

I find I don't enjoy some things like I used to - like milk, which makes me feel very bloated! And some things taste too processed as well. Like they are plasticky or something. Mostly crap things!

I am craving a lot of salty things though!

greenfig Tue 12-Mar-13 10:38:48

ELR poor you with a migrainesad hope you start to feel better soon.

mistlethrush Tue 12-Mar-13 10:44:19

Is anyone else finding fasts easier as you go on? I started out having a low soup for lunch - then swapped to broth - then dropped that and simply went without - and yesterday I skipped the normal small porridge I have on fast days and went all the way through until 6pm without struggling.... I think weightloss is improving with less or no lunch too.

Chocupid Tue 12-Mar-13 10:48:34

aftereights I have nausea feeling after a fast day, have it today in fact.
had a really good fast day yesterday did 22 hrs on herbal tea then ate my 500 cals
but today feeling a little sick to the stomach, just need to force myself to eat something as i know it will then go... but it defo makes two in a row impossible for me.

Breadandwine Tue 12-Mar-13 10:51:00

Anyone who has ever been overweight, spends their time first of all trying to lose it - and then trying to gain control over their weight. This WOL allows us to do just that! smile

Certainly, for the first time in my life, I feel I'm in complete control of my weight. (Not of my eating - because I can still overindulge with the best of 'em! grin But I now know how I can correct any weight gain - generally the next day, but certainly within a couple of days.)

And the word 'control' is often used on these threads as posters become more confident with this WOL.

Here's Sophie on the subject on the Fast Diet forum with a very inspirational post. Well worth checking out.

Ps. If you haven't been on that forum before, spend a bit of time looking around - there's a great graph on members' weight loss, and also a facility for tracking your own diminishing size. grin

Just checking in again, I'm starting to feel a bit hungry now but I think it's in my head, just had a pint of water and come to get a bath.

I'm still freezing. Think I need to find a hot drink I like, I usually have one coffee a day and I find if I'm hungry and drink tea it makes me feel sick.

I used to like bovril, I'm wondering if that would help?

brutusbaldwin Tue 12-Mar-13 11:28:46

Hello- Please can someone answer this question ? Have been doing the fast diet for 6 weeks now and have lost half a stone. Was explaining to friend of mine about it and she questioned whether or not I have been doing it right? So, I have a normal meal say on Monday evening at 7. I then do not eat until 12 the next day where I have approx 300- 500 calories. I then don' teat until 8pm that evening where I have a normal meal. Because I have only consumed 500 calories between 8pm-8pm I have asssumed that that is correct. although I have lost weight this way I also want the 'health ' benefits of fasting so want to make sure I'm doing it right. Thanks

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Mar-13 11:46:26

brutus that's not normally how it's done. It'd normally be something like this: Eat tea at 7pm Monday. During ALL of Tuesday, only consume up to 500 cals, preferably going as long as possible in that time with none of them. So for me, I'd go till about 4pm, then have a banana, then eat the remaining 420cals or so for my evening meal.
However, if you're losing weight this way then that's great! There is no one set way of doing this although the general rule that most people stick to is 500 cals during one calendar day.
Perhaps that's something you can aim for though, if and when you hit any kind of sticking point in your weight loss.

Daisy1407 Tue 12-Mar-13 12:15:25

Hi all - happy Tuesday!
I'm off wrk today as feeling a little under the weather and I'm on an eat day, so far I've had coffee coffee coffee and dime fruit! I'm craving shredded wheat which is a bit odd....ill have some shortly!

Hope your all doing okay...good luck to those fasting today! X

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Mar-13 12:32:01

Well, I have no idea how this happened but when I got up this morning I was wavering between 11st2 and 11st3 and when I had breakfast and came back from a game of tennis I was 11st1! A new low! So pleased although won't be surprised if I pop back up to 11st2 through this week.
But it's typical of the "bounce" lots of us tend to experience.
Headintheclouds, how are you doing this week?

brutusbaldwin Tue 12-Mar-13 12:51:45

Thanks Dotty. Have obvs not been doing it right then. Will try the other way and see how I go. x

brutus as Dotty said, the way most of us on here do it is have no more than 5/600 kcal on our fast days and our fast days are calendar days so we don't have more than the 5/600 kcal from waking up to going to bed. That said, there is a mention in the fast diet book about doing a 24 hour (e.g. 2pm to 2pm) fasting period, but I wasn't clear on whether that was meant to be a zero calorie fast or whether you could eat the 5/600 kcal during those 24 hours.

You're losing weight the way you're doing it so that's clearly working for you at the moment. As you say you're interested in the health benefits, it seems from some of the links on these threads that the important bit for health benefits may be the length of your zero calorie fasting (I don't think that's been conclusively proven yet though). You're already doing a 17 hour fast from what you've said so this will likely get you some of the health benefits associated with fasting.

I reckon you're doing great, and what you've been doing is a form of intermittent fasting, even if it's not quite 5:2. If it's working for you then keep it up and if you want to tweak a bit you've got plenty of options like: extending your zero calorie fast period from 17 hours to 24, or maybe do the more traditional calendar day modified fast.

Anja1Cam Tue 12-Mar-13 13:10:19

mistlethrush - yes finding it easier and easier too - went the full 20hrs (late night biscuit the night before blush!!) yesterday and it was fine. Saving up all my calories really allows for a decent meal and the family really don't notice. We all had home made lean chicken pie (lost of Veg and a Filo crust) with broccoli and optional potatoes... Yum and easy. Obviously they had a proper pudding and I had a yoghurt.

The first week I had a salad or/and cup a soup for lunch, last week miso soup sachet and yesterday nothing, just kept drinking herbal teas... We'll see what the second fast brings.

I really really noticed how I warmed up about 30 mins after eating. Even going out later for a 20min cycle to my choir rehearsal in that biting wind did not feel half as bad as the short walks to and from school during the day. And I don't think the weather had improved smile

whatsforyou Tue 12-Mar-13 13:25:44

Having a food day today, had two egg rolls for lunch but regretting it as I am now uncomfortably full - that is unheard of for me, normally I can shift my own body weight in food before I feel the urge to stop. My appetite and stomach capacity are def changing.
I am hoping for an early tea tonight so I can try 24 hours total fast tomorrow, I am making the famous chick pea and aubergine curry with skinny rice for tea tomorrow to break my fast with so will be thinking about it all day - yum yum!!

tomorrowweeat Tue 12-Mar-13 13:28:53

Well yesterday was the first time i didn't stick to a fast since I began in January. I just got overcome with an urge to eat carbs. So I'm fasting today instead and no dire urges so far! Am wondering whether to try my first 2 in a row fast to get my second fast in on Weds and back on track. Unfortunately I'd already planned to go to a friends for dinner Thursday and do like to have a few glasses of wine Fridays and over the weekend.
My tastes have changed too and generally find myself wanting to eat healthier foods. (Apart from yesterdays blip of course!)

greenfig Tue 12-Mar-13 13:29:33

Done the yoga, managed not to fall over, now going to brave the freezing weather & take the dog out, brr! Had some oatbran porridge & not hungry just feel like I 'want' something. Could be the excess carbs from yesterday I suppose. Am hoping the exercise will fire me up a bit. Was on a mission this morning & acheived lots (work) but feel lethargic now (on my time)hmm.

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Tue 12-Mar-13 13:48:46

Hello everyone!

Newbie here, I have started 5:2 this week and today is my first fast day. Finding it not too bad thus far.

I previously lost 4 stone through SW but about 1.5st of that has crept on since I stopped paying £20 a month to be judged weighing in with them.

I decided not to go back with SW as I realised that I had previously adapted it to suit myself - missing meals when I just wasn't hungry, eating normally a couple of days a week then hardly anything other days. It just makes sense to me to regulate it.

So, today thus far I have had 2 teas with skimmed milk and a bowl of chilli chicken soup (delicious, if anyone wants the recipe, just shout) and about 2l of water been peeing like a racehorse

This evening I will have a bowl of red lentil, chilli and chickpea soup, taking me to just under 500kcal. (I last ate at 7pm last night and had lunch at 1pm, so that was a good 18 hour fast).

You're all doing so marvellously, I hope I can keep it up and be one of the many success stories on here!

ComeTalkToMe Tue 12-Mar-13 14:07:40

Hi, I've been a bit of a lurker on these threads but as I'm now into my second week of 5:2 thought I would introduce myself.

I've done every diet under the sun and was quite reluctant to do another 'fad' but after reading this book this WOL really makes sense to me and appeals for the long term. That, along with the great success stories on here, has given me the push I needed.

I found my two fasts last week were relatively easy but for some reason found yesterday very hard and probably ended up at around 600 cals. I had a run in the morning and don't know if that might have affected it. I'm having a food day today but defintely found I wasn't that hungry this morning - a strange feeling for me!

Anyway, it's great to read about everyone's journeys and there are some fab tips on here so thanks! smile

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Mar-13 14:17:55

Welcome cometalktome, it's been great to meet you and others joining this thread and woe grin
Well done so far and ask any questions you like and share your experiences!

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 14:28:59

aah greenfig, the two day hangover, I've definitely been there. I'm actually feeling pretty good today, I'm surprised I thought I'd be in for a two day one after a bottle of red wine, about a gallon of Guinness and I don't know how many shots of Jagermeister.

No food so far today, just black coffee and herbal tea. I've done a 10 min HIIT kettlebell workout and feeling good so far. I've got to last until 8pm before dinner as will be busy now with work and then ferrying dd to and from Brownies later.

akarucker Tue 12-Mar-13 14:30:13

I am definitely finding the fasts get easier as time goes on. I'm doing ADF and I'm on about my 10th or 11th fast day. So much easier than the first cou

akarucker Tue 12-Mar-13 14:31:32

...ple of times. Really like ADF because I hate, just hate, having to 'control' what I eat on feast days. This way, I really don't have to. I eat what I want!

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 14:33:59

tomorrowweeat, I'm going to o two in a row this week, I also couldn't manage a fast yesterday so am doing today and tomorrow. I did two together a couple of weeks ago too and managed it ok.

fasting at home seems to mean getting loads done. my bedroom looks tidier than it has in a long time and the laundry mountain has been dented.

not finding it particularly easy today so keeping busy is essential.

next stop clean bedding and hoovering upstairs before moving onto mopping downstairs. fasting has done my house the world of good.

mehefin Tue 12-Mar-13 15:13:06

parrotsandcarsnips, I'll be interested to hear how that works for you. I do 2 or 3 nights every week so this way allows me to get in 2 long fasts without it taking over my non sleeping days. ( I have bought a silk black eye mask this week - best £5 I've spent in along time !).

The weight loss is brilliant but what jumped out at me from the Horizon programme was the dementia research my job makes me want to try this WOE for that alone. Hope it keeps working for you.

Mrsap I realised about 4 weeks in that I hadn't eaten any chocolate since I started, not a conscious decision I just had no desire for it. My routine means I tend to shop on fast days and I have no temptation to buy processed food of any sort. I have 2 grown up ds at home and have started baking again to meet their appetites so when I want a treat I know what I'm getting but they're not very good at remembering to save me anything!

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 15:17:46

saf can you pop round to mine after grin

mehefin Tue 12-Mar-13 15:20:58

Keep going swallowedAfly you'll have 2 resons to feel good about yourself at the end of the day - a tidy bedroom would be a great achievement for me

virginposter Tue 12-Mar-13 15:48:41

daddyorchips welcome to a whole new world. I too was a S.W.er and lost 3 stone over a couple of years but slowly 1 of them came back. I've been doing this for 6 months and lost 21 lbs and it's been the easiest and most liberating weight loss ever. The freedom to consume so called 'forbidden' food is wonderful. Keep going, the benefits are great in so many ways.

ellenbrody Tue 12-Mar-13 16:05:00

Afternoon everyone, not a fast day for me. I have eaten a bit too much so far today, ironically, what I would easily have eaten before, and I feel bloated and windy.
I don't know if I always felt like that and just ignored it? Am I becoming more conscious of what my body is telling me? (I must therefore learn to listen to its wisdom!).

gah! my stomach is rumbling like mad which is really unusual for me and i'm actually feeling physical hunger (also unusual - normally it's only munchiness if anything). my body seems to be responding differently this week.

i have clean bedding and a tidy, hoovered, no clothes lying around bedroom. been a while wink

guess i'll move onto downstairs. ds is on a playdate and it will be nice to open the front door when he's dropped off to a hallway that isn't a sea of pawprints i guess.

my stomach is seriously noisy! don't know why it's so 'different'

Wingedharpy Tue 12-Mar-13 16:10:46

I've been lurking for a while around this thread absorbing information and some support while trying to shift some weight since the 1st week in January.
I'm trying a combination of everything under the sun - a multi-faceted approach.
I'm restricting carbs and having low fat and low alcohol, having a 20 - 30 min brisk walk daily and doing the 5 n 2 for good measure.
I was weighed today for the first time since December and I'm delighted to say I've lost 10kgs (22 pounds) and am thrilled.
I feel so much better and for the first time ever in my life, I've bought a SMALLER bra!!!
I can get into clothes that I haven't worn for years (but was too fond of to throw away) and I can button them up.
Thanks to all who have posted encouraging words - it does help to keep me focussed, and a huge thanks to the person who posted the low fat summer curry recipe in the recipe section.It's been my staple diet on fast days for 2 months.

rocketleaf Tue 12-Mar-13 16:11:35

Hi I just wanted to mark my place as I posted on the previous thread. As I hadn't lost weight I had given up after 5 weeks. Now I wish I had found this thread and read the hints and tips first. I think I need an attitude change to see this as making me healthier rather than 'thinner' after all if i don't lose any weight then perhaps I don't need to! Starting again on Thursday and going to throw the scales in the bin (they were dodgy cheap and wrong anyway)
I also wanted to mention to brutus that I had read a few articles that indicated a 24 hr fast including consuming 500 cals within that 24 hrs period counted as 5:2 but it's not what most people are doing. If its working for you right now then thats great though eh? Perhaps you could build up to longer periods. I wil see if i can track down the article i read.

Daisy1407 Tue 12-Mar-13 16:19:44

I'm on an eating day but nothing is curbing my hunger today it just keeps on rumbling really really weird!

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Mar-13 16:20:16

I think I may have found the solution to my post-school/work eating issue (only snack danger zone left for me) - only took half my lunch to work and put the rest in the fridge! Given that this WOE has stopped my need/desire for a breakfast first thing and usually end up eating it at 10am, I'm only eating lunch 2 hours later (dictated by work schedule!) so need less of it at the time iyswim (and I will eat everything I've got no matter what). So then it's not a snack, it is part of my lunch smile

Slept really well after my fast day yesterday, normally wake an hour or 2 early post-fast so good to know it doesn't always happen!

Still no proper exercise but am feeling a lot better finally, so maybe tomorrow!

SaltyandSweet Tue 12-Mar-13 16:21:06

daddyorchips please share the chilli chicken recipe, sounds yum!

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Tue 12-Mar-13 16:26:39

virginposter that is brilliant and what I am hoping for! It is so easy to let the weight creep back on when you don't have the weekly weigh in shame.

Feeling pretty hungry at the moment, although I agree that it ebbs and flows. I'm already thinking about what I want to eat tomorrow but I just know that when it comes around, I probably won't feel like it anymore!

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Mar-13 16:27:26

Also put it on the recipes thread as that's a good place for us all to go when seeking fast day inspiration! I'm having this on my next fast day, with a little brown rice, looks yum www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2468641/moroccan-chicken-onepot

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Tue 12-Mar-13 16:37:23

saltyandsweet here's the recipe.

(I will pop over and post this in the recipe thread too, if someone could be so kind as to link to it?)


2 chicken breasts - poached and shredded
1 green and 1 yellow pepper - chopped
1 onion - chopped
1 clove garlic - crushed
1 chilli - finely chopped
1 400g tin chopped tomatoes
1 400g carton passata
500ml water or veg/chicken stock
1 tin kidney beans
1 tin borlotti beans (or any others you fancy)
1-2 tsps chilli powder (dependent on how spicy you like it)
1 tsp ground cumin
1 tsp cayenne papper
1 tsp smoked paprika
1 tsp dried parsley


Fry off the onion, peppers, garlic and chilli until soft (10-15 mins - I use spray oil, but olive oil is fine). Add the tomatoes, passata, stock/water, beans and spices. Stir well and simmer for 25 mins.

Add the chicken and parsley, stir well and simmer for a further 5 minutes.


Every time I have had this at work, people have commented on it (smells like chilli con carne/fajitas).

SaltyandSweet Tue 12-Mar-13 17:03:56

Thanks for the recipe daddyorchips, I'm definitely going to try it

This is the link for the recipe thread -
Recipe Thread

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 17:06:17

Was doing well until I started looking at the bbc good food page in an attempt to plan some meals for the week. Now I'm starving!!! No time to eat anyway though, just finishing a mug of peppermint tea then off to pick up dd1 from school.

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Tue 12-Mar-13 17:06:25

No problem! I hope you enjoy it. According to MFP, a portion of 1/6 of the recipe is 160cals and 1/4 of it is 240.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Mar-13 17:22:04

Thanks snow & choc nausea feeling has lasted all day even though have eaten properly which is strange. Still it's not so bad to put me off fasting yet.

Welcome to all the newbies & lurkers. This really is a great WOL grin

Hi, hope everyone's having a good day... Could anyone please answer a q for me? I usually fast on Mon and Wed but have visitors arriving tomorrow afternoon and will want to eat dinner with them. I don't have another opportunity to fast this week, so thinking about fasting all day until dinner time (about 7.30) and then having a smaller amount of what everyone's having. This will take my cals intake for the day to something like 8-900 I guess though, so not sure whether it won't have the same effect, or in some way could have a detrimental effect?

Anyone able to advise??


no detrimental effect and definitely better than just missing it totally imo whoah. sounds a good plan. could add to that by doing a 'mini fast' like that again another day.

am still tidying, cleaning, fidgeting here. luckily there is plenty to do in this pit house.

Nearly tea time and nothing has passed my lips. Tomorrow is DPs birthday and he's requested cheesecake and takeaway, I will be on an eating day and there will be wine, but I've obv still got a limit, what does everyone do on special occasions, still try and stick to the 2000 cals or go a bit crazy and eat less the next day? Or even add in an extra fast day. I'm only on week two.

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 18:20:42

the thing with this Way of EAting is that its for the rest of your life.
Enjoy the dinner with your friends and eat less the following week :-)

lemonbiscuit Tue 12-Mar-13 18:28:42

Hi new to posting on the 5:2 diet. I've been on the diet for about the last 7 weeks. Went well for about the first 3 weeks, when I lost 6lbs, but since then I've plateaued and haven't lost anything for about a month. On fast days I get very cold, it feels as though my body is 'shutting down' and dropping my metabolic rate. I have avoided exercising on fast days, but was wondering if you have found that if you exercise on fast days it accelerates the weight loss, as I wonder if it keeps the metabolic rate up.

has anyone ever had alcohol on a fast day?

i haven't eaten anything yet and am planning on leaving it a while yet. was wondering if i could have a glass of wine after my tea so long as i stay under 500. only problem i can foresee is if it makes me want more or makes me munchy.

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 18:44:06

lemon plateaus and feeling cold are very common here. Have you taken any measurements that you can check, many people find they are still losing inches, even if not weight. I exercise on fast days, nothing too long or strenuous, I walk 4 miles a day doing school runs, then I might do a short run or a HIIT workout. Even on feed days I try to exercise before I eat as ive read that exercising in a fasting state increases fat burning.

saf, if you stay within cals I don't see why not. I would struggle though as alcohol can sometimes give me the munchies and also reduces my willpower.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Mar-13 18:45:23

whoah that's exactly what I'll be doing tomorrow grin

mummyof2girlsx Tue 12-Mar-13 18:59:45

Sorry if I am being really stupid here but I'm going to ask anyway!
When working out calories in wholewheat pasta and it says on mfp 148 cals per 100g.......do I weigh 100g of dried pasta and then it is 148 cals once cooked? or do I wait until pasta is cooked and then weigh 100g? Sorry if this is a silly question! blush

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Mar-13 19:00:31

lemon I don't lose weight on this WOE unless I exercise too. I actually love exercising on a fast day - feels doubly energising. Lots of people feel cold on fast days - I believe long socks and an extra jumper are advocated! It has been bitter these last few days though fasting or not.

Saf I had a small whisky on a fast day last week - that was fine as whisky doesn't make me want to have nibbles - personally I'd struggle with wine as it makes me very munchy.

Storm Just eat and enjoy tomorrow but be more moderate for the rest of the week - it's helpful to look at your calorie intake over a week rather than individual days iyswim - so it would be your tdee x 5 plus 500cals x 2 (if you're doing 5:2). Probably best to eat slowly and remember to stop as soon as you feel full. I have to be a bit careful on the day after a fast as I get uncomfortably full and bloated very quickly, especially with carbs, doubly so with high sugar & salt content foods.

i poured a half glass of wine - possibly not the healthiest way to break a fast mind you.

just thought i'd share what might be totally random coincidence but maybe not. i felt really tired and flat over the weekend to the point where i got a bit worried i was getting depressed (been there before so a tad paranoid when i feel my mood and energy dip like that). it was the first time i'd felt like that in a while and it was also the first time i'd eaten crap and overeaten during a week for a while. i'm actually wondering if there is a connection there.

fasting genuinely seems to give me more energy and make me more emotionally resilient. a week where i was a bit crap and overate and didn't have decent fasts saw me feeling tired and bleurgh.

i did also have my period over the weekend so obviously other factors at play but i do think it might be down to the overeating.

will definitely be 'watching' myself and seeing if it is a pattern or not.

curious to know if anyone else who appreciates fatigue and mood effects (can't be the only person here who has had problems with depression and energy levels i'm thinking) has noticed any changes with fasting.

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 19:06:40

uncooked - as the extra weight when cooked is absorbed water

x posted - thanks bvb. i 'think' i'll be alright with sipping wine - it's the glugging of wine on a late afternoon/early evening that would tend to make me go home and stuff myself.

whiskey is not a bad idea. i think a sippy drink as the 'last thing of the day' treat would probably work well for me with fasting. better that than reaching for biscuits or such.

Thanks betsy. I will probably be under on Thursday, so should equal out. I find even on eating days it pays to plan what I eat at tea so I know what calories I have for the day, say I know my main meal comes in at 800 cals I know I've got 1200 for other meals, I'm not a breakfast eater, so that helps.

As for wine on fast days I wouldn't because I know I'd want another glass, although on a bad day last week I was tempted to forgo the food and just have wine.

I do like a glass of two of wine on an evening but considering the calories and the obvious health issues I'm only having two wine nights a week.

On Sunday I'd dropped 7lb but it seems to have gone up by four pounds since. I think I'm weighing myself way too much. Going to try and stick to one weigh day a week.

mummyof2girlsx Tue 12-Mar-13 19:15:10

Thanks for your reply Talkinpeace grin

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Mar-13 19:15:27

Saf Foods affect my mood massively, I'm particularly sensitive to sugar and it has an accumulative effect so that it makes me very grumpy/angry in the mornings if I've been overdoing it. Similarly an accumulation of stodgy carbs (plus salt, butter) will make me feel lethargic and depressed. This is why I love this WOE as it acts as a reset AND I completely avoid all those foods on fast days.

My energy levels are improved too (when not bloody ill with colds!) - I don't know if this is because of the fasting or because fasting makes me eat incredibly healthily. Healthy eating (ie lots of fresh fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, fish) makes me zingy and energetic.

ELR Tue 12-Mar-13 19:55:28

Mummy of two 100g of dry pasta is about 350 calories so 40g dry will be about 140 calories

snoworneahva Tue 12-Mar-13 20:05:34

mumoftwo as ELR has pointed out - that sounds more like cooked weight than dried weight, even then it's a little over optimistic...some of the mpf figures are entered by users and sometimes they are a tad inaccurate.

Thanks for the replies - am going to work in a mini fast on Friday too.

Thanks all!

dines Tue 12-Mar-13 20:23:17

Hello all fast day today went just over 500 cals don't think that Will hurt too much.. I didn't do a full fast had ti have a coffee at 8 to get me thou with two tsp of suger and milk.. then another one at about 11. Long with lots of peppermint tea.. had some French onion soup about 1.. then I had a turkey and pastrami flatbread for dinner it was lovely it had a mustard dressing in it.. from m and s 290 cals.. now having a peppermint tea before bed.. I have some bonoffie pie in the fridge wot was brought today...not by me... can here it calling but not goin to respond. It will have to wait till tomorrow.

Sutinder Tue 12-Mar-13 20:46:31

dines. Step away don't do it.....

whatsforyou Tue 12-Mar-13 21:12:42

Have just made laska's curry for tomorrow night, it smells amazing! I had my last calories at half seven tonight and hoping for a 24hr true fast before I break it. Feeling really positive because after a fast day yesterday I didn't put anything on after my huge mother's day pig out!

Does anyone else use map my run? Not that I run but my main exercise is walking with the buggy. I used it today and it said I burnt off 450cal, I'm thinking given I was pushing a buggy laden with shopping at the time it could even be more! I had no idea I could burn off so much walking but it has really motivated me to make more of an effort!

Minimammoth Tue 12-Mar-13 21:26:09

I am marking my place, but have to say I am failing on the fast days. I am managing low cals, but not proper fast. Guess this is just how I have to do it. Not much change in weight though.

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 21:28:38

how do you mean "failing"?
start your count at the end of supper the night before
drink lots of tea and coffee and water
and see if you can skip breakfast and lunch and then have a WHOLE tub of fresh soup for supper and see if you can make it to breakfast
each of those stages is a step in the right direction

Minimammoth Tue 12-Mar-13 21:32:00

Thanks for the ideas talkin I am always hungry for breakfast, but I will give it a go.

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 21:33:30

OK, breakfast : 2 scrambled eggs on a thin slice of ham.
THen nothing all day and then the soup.
THat will be 200 in the morning, 300 in the evening with 3 x 8 hour gaps
which will start to do you good.

Minimammoth Tue 12-Mar-13 21:37:25

That sounds do able can I have homemade chunky soup? Or has it got to be watery stuff

leelteloo Tue 12-Mar-13 21:38:34

Hi everyone, been doing 3:4 and this is my 2nd week. It's going well but just reading through the thread I've been wondering if I am doing it right? Am I supposed to not eat anything at all for 24 hours? I read people talking about true fast, nothing passing lips till after certain time etc. I have been eating normally, say dinner about 8, going to bed and then when I wake up spreading my 500 cals through out the fast day and then going to bed and waking up to eat normally again.

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 21:41:46

this is what I had last night
280 calories a pot
home made is even better ! and vegetable soups are SO low in calories and SO filling!
Others go for stir fries and stews but I'm idle :-)

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 21:43:54

I try to do 24 hours on no solids ...
big Sunday lunch, no sunday supper, no monday breakfast or lunch (but lashings of tea) 500 calories supper (see above) no Tuesday breakfast (but yet more tea) small Tuesday lunch, decent supper (tonight sausages and risotto made by DS!)

Minimammoth Tue 12-Mar-13 21:49:08

I have benn doing similar to Leetle. Just reducing my eating on fast days . 3 tiny meals. You eating pattern suggestion might work for me though.

leelteloo Tue 12-Mar-13 21:53:51

Talkinpeace, that sounds like 2 days of fasting? I am confused blush. So I need have no supper night before a fast day, then nothing till dinner time and then again nothing till next day lunch. On the 3:4 my fast days would all merge together. I am not having solids at all as using up my cambridge diet shakes on fast days. So today was fast day: yesterday I ate my dinner at 7pm, then had nothing until my shake at 12pm, had another shake (136 cals) at 5pm and had another at 8.30. Few cups of tea through out day and my water. Do you think it sounds ok?

Talkinpeace Tue 12-Mar-13 22:07:44

I'm pretty strict on fasts cos I eat and drink too much at weekens
AND I always skip breakfast so skipping lunch (which I have now done twice a week for 8 months) is just a teeny step.
That and when I'm working (so not at the gym) my TDEE is only 1500 ...

your system sounds fine if its working for you : if you can, try to lengthen one of the gaps between solid food to between 16 and 24 hours - that is when the health benefits start to really kick in.

Chipstick10 Tue 12-Mar-13 22:30:07

I have been fasting since jan9th. Not continuously, obviouslysmile. On Mondays I eat nothing until Bout 4.oo when I have a cars water biscuit at approximate 14 calories. Then I have a homemade pizza, topped with peppers and mushrooms. I eat under 500 calories on this day. On wedI do the same thing and in the evening I have a peice of fish cooked in the oven and a massive plate of salad. Again I eat under 500 calories. I drink plenty of water and have the odd slice of apple or pineapple here and there. I have not weighed myself. I don't know what weight I started at and what I am now, but I do know I have lost. I can see it and I can feel it.

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Mar-13 22:50:05

whatsforyou, I've not used that site particularly but have used my fitness pal and Nike plus as well as other running apps. Imo, as well as varying vastly from each other, I think they all over estimate. I actually got myself a Polar heart monitor today, and whilst I've not done a run yet I did wear it for the school run this afternoon. I walked 40mins at 3mph. Mfp gave me 165 cals, the heart rate monitor said 115 cals, so mfp gave me nearly 50% more than I had actually used. I did a run last weekend that mfp gave me 1007 cals for, I'm going to do the same run this weekend and am quite interested to see what the difference will be.

wildwater Tue 12-Mar-13 22:51:28

Back from a fast 30 minute walk on the beach before heading into a busy day.

This WOE is so amazing. I feel entirely free of the 'diet' mentality, and delighted with the side-effects (weight-loss) of 5:2.

Before starting 5:2 just before Christmas, most of even my stretchy pants (trousers) were in fact way too tight. (I was wearing sml or med in those but stretched to the limit - not a good feel or look.) For non-stretch, I was struggling to fit into a standard size 14 - sometimes a 16.

Now - having ditched the sugar & junk that was creeping up on me - I am an easy size 10. I have just bought two pairs of new jeans (on sale together). High-rise, slim-leg, one black & one dark blue. Had almost forgotten how good a pair of well-cut non-stretch pants can feel cdnmn.com/emo/te/1.gif

In this new mode, I am slowly introducing new and better habits - esp. exercising, which has begun to take on new pleasure. I actually look forward to my walks and stretching, and feel disappointed when for some reason I can't fit it in my day.

This is all very new to me, but is not throwing me off balance the way previous weight loss has.

Hope you are all having the best day you possibly can

dotty Im doing okay,thanks for asking. I didnt lose last week at all- I fasted yesterday and weighed in today and have stayed the same,but my ' official' weigh in that I count is after my second fast of the week( so Friday morning weigh in for me is the one I record.)
Im 10st 10 which is 6 lbs off after 6 weeks.Im really hoping for 7 lbs total on Fridays WI!Possiblly Too much info but it is my time of month which may be why Ive stuck this week. Does anyone else get no weight loss when its their period? Ive absolutely stuck to this WOE 100% and not gone over TDEE on the 5 normal days. Im a bit impatient/ intolerant of slow weight loss and envious of those people who've reported impressive big lossesenvy

headinclouds, if it makes you feel any better I stayed the same after yesterday's fast and only lost 100g following the previous fast! Mine seems to drop sharply (eg more than a pound!) a couple of days later, randomly hmm

Daisy1407 Tue 12-Mar-13 23:33:30

You have done a fast day yey I'm hoping u kept away from the cake!
Your comments always make me giggle

Feeling bloated tonight after eating day! Fast day in the AM

Night x

Wingedharpy Wed 13-Mar-13 00:13:18

Headintheclouds - for what it's worth, that's the reason that I made a deliberate decision not to weigh myself for 3 months after starting this WOE/weight loss regime.
My feelings were that if I'd stuck to the plan religiously and walked every day, a weight loss of only 1 or 2 pounds, while positive, would actually demotivate me.
All that effort for a couple of pounds when I have several stone to lose would feel like a real bummer.
So today, finding I've lost 22 pounds has given me a real boost and encouraged me to stick at it.
Some fluid retention around menstruation time is not unusual and may account for the lack of change in your weight at this time.

amazing loss wingedharpy . I wish I had the self discipline to stay away from the scales for 3 months. You are quite right about the demotivater of seeing very little weight loss though. Ive weighed myself at least weeklyoften with half-closed eyes and my right big toe on the floor-- and accurately for all of my adult life. i may give it a longer stretch before weighing !

peplum41 Wed 13-Mar-13 01:45:17

Hi all. Just doing a night shift, hence the time. Noticed mehefin and * carrot&parsnip* do too. I've noted your tips, what I'm trying is having my snack,eg a butty or soup when I get my jobs done about 1 am, then fasting til tea time the next day. This I do on my last shift so I can go to bed that night. Been doing this almost a month, and already eat far less on nights than before. Plus I don't get that sickly feeling at about 5am, which I used to solve by eating toast. Plus more alert! Only con is insomnia, whether working or not.

peplum41 Wed 13-Mar-13 01:46:41

Hi all. Just doing a night shift, hence the time. Noticed mehefin and carrot&parsnip do too. I've noted your tips, what I'm trying is having my snack,eg a butty or soup when I get my jobs done about 1 am, then fasting til tea time the next day. This I do on my last shift so I can go to bed that night. Been doing this almost a month, and already eat far less on nights than before. Plus I don't get that sickly feeling at about 5am, which I used to solve by eating toast. Plus more alert! Only con is insomnia, whether working or not.

peplum41 Wed 13-Mar-13 02:28:41

Ooh scuse double post. Got confused!

This thread got me through a strong chocolate craving before. Well over it now and looking forward to next fast day (and last night shift ). I think I've found a new addiction

whatsforyou Wed 13-Mar-13 06:19:46


Aww, there was me so chuffed with myself too!
To be honest I knew it wouldn't be that accurate, there things never are but it did give me a wee boost so I'll use it as a comparison tool probably too boost me on a bit!

frenchfancy Wed 13-Mar-13 06:54:47

Leetleloo It sounds to me like you are doing just fine. The shakes din't do it for me but I understand that they are easy. Tip talks a lot of sense but she is pretty hard core.

mummyof2girlsx Wed 13-Mar-13 06:59:09

Morning all, good luck to all Wednesday fasters. I am attempting my third fast in a row for the first time.....wish me luck! I normally fast mon wed and fri but I have a busy and indulgent long weekend planned starting tomorrow with dh's birthday and then our wedding anniversary at the weekend.

Just been looking on the recipe thread and lots of tasty recipes for fast days, thanks everyone smile

morning smile

managed a proper fast yesterday (after ending up only doing a mini on monday after biscuit cravings). had less than 500 in the end - a small glass of wine and a can of baked beans with a spoon of philly light and a little chilli oil (yum) stirred in.

this morning the scales say 11.3.6 so i'm back on track. that illusive 11.2.4 i saw not so long back is within reach. would love to be under 11 by the end of next week and i'm kind of due it after a stall week but we shall see.

today will be a 'mini-fast' hopefully. aiming to do my thing of 3 minis and 2 propers on weekdays this week. so another proper tomorrow. i'm in london much of the day tomorrow so will be busy with trains and seminars and stuff and won't get home till early evening so hopefully that will be an easy fast day. i have company on the train so should be easier to avoid buying munchies than when i'm on my own and bored.

to those wondering over 'proper ways to do it':

basically there is a principle that a 24hr fast is really good for the body but an awareness that that is difficult for some. even a day of drastically reduced calories is good for you re: 500 as in the 5:2.

the 'ideal' would be to have a full 24hrs of nothing then eat your 500 at the end of the day (so fasting from tea one night to tea the next then having 500cals so you get to go to bed satiated). it's one to work towards.

any extended fast for example 16hrs (from teatime to lunch) or 20hrs (maybe tea time to late afternoon) is good for you and allows better access to fat burning whilst also giving your digestive system a good rest amongst other things.

some of us were natural breakfast avoiders anyway so it was easy to extend that out to lunchtime or for those like me who regularly didn't eat till the afternoon it was not such a stretch to try to go through to teatime. it can be done very gradually - just extend it. if you're a breakfast eater try eating a little when you get to work instead of when you get up then stretch it out to 10, 11 etc till you're going through to lunch.

if you're just looking for weight loss and spreading your 500 over the day is working for you then stick with it - if later you want to start getting more health benefits or if your weight loss stalls you can try this way of extending gaps between eating.

this is flexible.

sorry for essay. incidentally the 24hr figure seems to be because from 12hrs up to 24hrs the benefits are all going up - growth hormone release, dropping levels of nasties, easy fat burn access, increased metabolism etc and the benefits seem to peak at 24hrs and taper off there after. so 24hrs is the 'best' effects zone - any hours over 12 and up to 24 are hours where good stuff is definitely happening.

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Mar-13 07:33:31

Just been dreaming about eating toast, I kept burning it though and finally when I did get a non burnt bit I started eating it and it turned to paper. Very strange.

Successful fast day yesterday, going for two in a row today. Good luck mummyof2girls with your three in a row today.

ooh your subconscious is banning bread itsaboat grin good to have it on your side.

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Mar-13 08:02:44

headintheclouds don't despair! I was stuck last week (time of the month for me) and in fact seemed to have put 1lb back on.
However weighing yesterday, I'd dropped to a new low of 11st 1lb which I was really pleased with. Have "bounced" back to 11st 2lb today but seeing as that was my new low last week, that's ok.
Well done for getting under 11st - I'll be so excited when that happens for me (hopefully by end March).
It's my 40th in April, am having big weekend away with all my friends and want to be feeling and looking good!

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Mar-13 08:12:01

I hope so saf, it would be about time. You could be right though, the thought of eating toast now has no appeal.

i honestly think it's a great sign itsaboat. it's your subconscious integrating a new attitude to food and eating. isn't there something about how it takes a certain amount of time for a new behaviour/pattern to become habitual? if something new is repeated for that amount of time then the brain adjusts and makes it the norm. i'm only partly being tongue in cheek saying your subconscious is getting on your side smile

Minimammoth Wed 13-Mar-13 08:37:43

Quick post to say I have lost 1 lb. hrah. Many ups and downs but I think ths is a 'settling' weight reading. Fingers crossed. Am trying talkin' s miss breakfast idea.

monster54 Wed 13-Mar-13 08:52:31

Ok ladies, I need some advice. I am absolutely full of a terrible head cold. Feeling dizzy etc.

Off work today but its my fast day.....I WANT to fast but don't want to make myself worse. Do I not bother and have an eating day? Stick with my fast or do a mini fast?

mistlethrush Wed 13-Mar-13 09:04:14

monster - does this absolutely have to be a fast day? I move my fast days around in the week to suit what I'm doing that week.

monster54 Wed 13-Mar-13 09:15:58

Well no I could move it to tomorrow, might be better. I like to do mon, wed and mini fast Fri. I usually go to an exercise class on a Thurs and don't like fasting on same day but way things are going I don't think I'll be feeling up to it! Sat and Sun are out with meals planned grin/ urrrggghhh I'm such a terrible sick person!

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Wed 13-Mar-13 09:22:15

Monster - do you feel that eating will help? Maybe see how you go on water/hot drinks for the morning, reassess at lunch and you never know, might be easier! I know I find it easier to fast when feeling poorly as I don't fancy food!

So, second fast day this week,started yesterday at 5.30pm. It's going well today, except that my boiler is broken and the house is cold! Going to do some exercise now though I think - over an hour of yoga grin

CorrieDale Wed 13-Mar-13 09:23:13

Fasting today. But this chesty cold is really starting to get to me. I haven't been able to do any proper cardio exercise in about 3 weeks. And I can't even whine about it because I can see people thinking (even if they don't say it) 'it's the fasting!' Err, no, it's a virus... Had yesterday off with bed and daytime telly and feeling a bit better today. No Pilates this morning though - saving my energy for Taekwon do tonight!

Prawntoast Wed 13-Mar-13 09:26:02

head, I've been through 2 monthly cycles on this woe so far and it hasn't stopped the weight loss. I haven't yet reached a plateau but fully expect to at some stage. Having read of others experience on this thread though has prepared me for it so mentally I think I will cope with the disappointed better. I also think that because I don't feel like I am on a diet it won't pee me off as much anyway as I don't find the fasting that difficult and for 5 days I'm not depriving myself, whereas on previous diets everyday has been a drag. I think everyone is different, some women do retain water in the run up to a period. Interestingly I would never advise weighing after exercise as your body retains fluid afterwards.

You don't say how tall you are so I don't know how overweight you are but a lb a week is a good loss, I've lost a stone and it's averaged out at between 1 and 1.5lbs per week, with a loss of nearly 4lbs in the first week but I started at 11.6 and I am 5'2" and have a small frame so I need to lose around 2.5 to 3st in total.

monster54 Wed 13-Mar-13 09:26:03

Thanks SCET....yes I've not had anything but a couple of cups of coffee this morning...

Will reassess at lunch and maybe have some soup, then a smaller dinner than usual. Seems a shame to throw all the hardwork away. I know I'll be upset if I fall off the 5:2 wagon cos of this!!

mistlethrush Wed 13-Mar-13 09:40:40

Monster - you don't need to fall off the waggon - you can simply move the day to a different one.

I aim to do Mon and Weds each week - then if I have a wobble on Monday, its Tues and Thurs - or if I manage Monday I've only got to fit in another between Weds and Friday....

Mentally I find it easier when I'm not having to supply snacks and food to DS all day long!

dines Wed 13-Mar-13 09:42:42

daisy1047 yes I did completed my fast yesterday. Went just over 500... another one tomorrow.. goin to get the chicken and chorizo soup again that was bludy lovely. How r u getting on with ur fast today?

Successfully fasted yesterday - ridiculously busy and stressful day in many respects (work and children). I ate less then planned in the day - just a small bowl of soup at lunchtime - and was freezing cold in the afternoon.

Kids were both extremely exhausted and very very difficult when I got home, and dealing with that and bedtimes meant I didn't eat my delicious hmm Weightwatchers ready meal until after 9pm. By which point I was feeling really quite rubbish and ended up slumped with no energy for anything - but it is the first fast day I have felt like that (4th one overall).

I got up this morning and ate a load of rubbish! but feel better now - and I look thinner in the mirror. But just the fact that this is still do-able on a really difficult day is reassuring.

monster54 Wed 13-Mar-13 09:53:47

dines where's the chicken and chorizo soup from/receipe sounds GOOD!!!

I'm going to keep going to lunch I think and have some warm soup!

And a low cal dins, I might go over my 500 slightly but surely that's better than not at all hey!!

dines Wed 13-Mar-13 10:04:00

monster54 its front waitrose 284 cals for the whole tub 600ml so is very filling on a fast day with a bit of bread.

mehefin Wed 13-Mar-13 10:26:19

peplum41 the massive reduction in side effects from working nights is the biggest short term benefit for me of 5:2. Weight loss will hopefully be medium term benefit and better health long term.

Do you get regular medical checks from your employer ? I don't but would be interesting if someone was.

It's good that sliced white bread seems to be losing it's attraction at 4 o'clock in the morning for us !

Breadandwine Wed 13-Mar-13 10:31:40

Great post, swallowed - I've stuck it on the Tips thread so it doesn't get lost.

I am absolutely full of a terrible head cold. Feeling dizzy etc.

Off work today but its my fast day.....I WANT to fast but don't want to make myself worse. Do I not bother and have an eating day? Stick with my fast or do a mini fast?

monster whenever I've felt unwell on this WOL I've just changed my fast day(s). Spoil yourself today and fast again later. You're in this for the long term, don't forget! smile

greenfig Wed 13-Mar-13 10:42:09

Morning all! Went a bit over 500 cals yesterday but not yet hungry today so only had coffee. Walked the dog & now off to do a Jillian so should work out to be a mini fast naturally today. Then a monster clean is long overdue on the agenda. I am NEVER going to drink again, not that I've ever said THAT beforehmm
I need your dream itsaboat toast & cheese are my downfall. & wineblush I just can't drink any more, I'm rubbish at it, I get sooo ill!!! Poor old lady....
Am off to get some of this soup you all speak so highly of for tomorrows fast. Have a good day all.

mummyof2girlsx Wed 13-Mar-13 10:43:16

Thanks Itsaboatjack good luck to you too with your second in a row!

Yum dines that soup does sound good, think a trip to waitrose may be in order grin

monster54 a little over 500 will be fine, I have gone slightly over plenty of times and still lost weight

Breadandwine Wed 13-Mar-13 10:48:44

mehefin and others. I've been watching your conversation about fasting and working shifts with interest.

I used to work nights and remember well how they made me feel. It's fantastic that fasting is helping with the 'jet-lag'. smile

About insomnia (do you mean after the night shift?) - I found that if I tried to sleep as soon as I got home, I'd be awake by 11 and be unable to go back again. But if I delayed sleeping until about 10, or 10.15, I could sleep through until 4 or 5.

I used to go round to a local playgroup and teach pencil control to the kids for an hour. (Just remembered this - I've got a few games/ideas if anyone is interested.) Kids loved it and so did I! smile

mehefin Wed 13-Mar-13 11:03:47

Breadandwine it's usually an episode of Homes under the Hammer before bed for me - far less socially useful !

Daisy1407 Wed 13-Mar-13 11:30:18

Morning all
Another day off work as not feeling 100% however I'm still in bed so haven't had anything to eat/drink yet! Black coffees coming up (ewww but gas to be done)
Well done dines - amazing!! Yeah that soup is BeAutiful isn't it! Sooooo filling too! Not sure what to have for tea tonight a trip to waitrose or M&S is on the cards x

Gods luck fasters x

plecofjustice Wed 13-Mar-13 11:35:46

Fasting again for me and it's celery for lunch (350g - takes 45 mins to eat and only 25 cals!! grin), a 95cal snack from my GRaze box when I get home from work, and vegetarian broccoli pizza for dinner! Nom

monster54 Wed 13-Mar-13 12:40:36

I've had a 200cal soup and DH has made a homemade quiche for tonight so I'm going to have some of that guilt free. I'll end up a mini fast me thinks and then fast fully Friday.

I'm stocking up on that soup for sure! Sounds delish!!!!

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Mar-13 12:53:21

Feeling hungry today. I've been at a briefing all morning then about 40mins back on tube, so didn't want to drink as much as normal as few chances for a toilet break. Back at base now though so having a green tea and pint of water. Not feeling tempted by anything in particular though so I should be able to just ride through the hunger wave.

greenfig cheese and wine are always a temptation smile

blue2 Wed 13-Mar-13 13:01:52

This is fast day number 4 for me, and the first one that I've been mainly at home for.

GAWD - Its hard!! I thought they were supposed to get easier, but I need to plan at staying away for as much of the day as poss.

Its great to just come on here and read other comments esp those that say that the best effects come after 16 hrs or so of fasting. I'm on 17 hrs - a little way to go yet...!

BlackMaryJanes Wed 13-Mar-13 13:02:13

Isn't it great when you wake up the morning after a fast - knowing you have yet another fast under your belt smile

However - the insomnia. Not good hmm

greenfig Wed 13-Mar-13 13:18:35

bread&wine Any top tips on how to motivate 11 yo boysgrin He can hold his pencil, just doesn't want to do much with ithmm & I'm trying to steer clear of alcohol, he drives me to it!!

plecofjustice Wed 13-Mar-13 13:29:37

Is there something he's really interested in that you could use as a springboard - football, computers, dinosaurs, nature, anything like that? Is he still primary, or gone to secondary? If primary, would his teachers agree with him being able to research and write about something of his own choice?

greenfig Wed 13-Mar-13 13:42:33

Thanks plecofjustice Just gone to secondary. Clever boy but lazylacks focus. Unfortunately its v hard to find a lever with him. doesn't mind coming bottom but is pleased if he does well, have put lots of incentives in place, but he's just not that bothered! V sweet though, got to keep it in perspective & lay off the winegrin I'm sure the frustration is burning up those cals!

VenusRising Wed 13-Mar-13 13:56:29

Hi everyone.
I've been fasting 5:2 for a few weeks, and don't think I've lost anything as I tend to overcompensate on my feed days.

Should I start to fast 4:3 instead?
I don find the fasting hard at all, but tend to scoff chocolate etc on the next day.

Yesterday for eg I went till 4 without eating, and then had a half a pear, and an ice lolly(fruitjuice- 90 cals) and then had a roast pork and pear dinner, about 120g pork and a roast pear, with about 20g of potato.
Boy did I have a headache though, had about three cups of coffee in the morning- anyone else getting headaches? And yes, to the flakey, dry nails. sad

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Mar-13 14:04:40

Venusrising, you might find it useful tracking your eating day calories on something like My Fitness Pal? I certainly did to start with and when you realise the amount of calories in every little bit of chocolate versus the decent sized meal you can have for the same amount of calories, it does tend to focus you a bit! I'm a complete chocoholic and it helps me to do this. Or, work out your meal calories in advance and let yourself have whatever remaining calories there are, in chocolate form!
But you must, must, must stay well hydrated on fast days. Not only will drinking water / herbal teas take your mind off feeling hungry but it's crucial to replace the water that you'd normally get through your food.

greenfig Wed 13-Mar-13 14:09:49

I googled the flaky nails & found it was nutritionally due to sugar overload which wouldn't make sense with 5:2?? I was putting mine down to cold weather, maybe there's some other nutritional reason. Sorry to hear you're not having much luck. Lots of water for the headaches, could also be contributing to lack of losses. Scoffing choc's not going to help thoughgrin
Can you try to stay within your TDEE for a couple of weeks to see if it helps? Lots of people have found the need to binge on feed days wears off quite quickly. Don't lose heartsmile

Daisy1407 Wed 13-Mar-13 14:26:57

I've only had 2 coffees and a pint of water -I need to up my drinks! Harder when off wrk!

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Wed 13-Mar-13 14:45:01

Well, my first fast day, yesterday, went pretty well! At some points, late afternoon, I did feel very hungry but I kept on with the water, had my dinner (lentil, chilli and chickpea soup - yum) and felt full. Went to be, had a GREAT night's sleep and woke up this morning feeling no more hungry than normal.

I skipped breakfast today (a food day), because I just didn't feel like it. I had a cuppa and a biscuit about 11 and then as lunchtime came around I still didn't feel that hungry. I left it a while and have now had some soup as I won't have dinner 'til late this evening.

All in all, not as bad as expected. Next fast day tomorrow and <dare I say in hushed voice> quite looking forward to it.

Anja1Cam Wed 13-Mar-13 14:54:16

Re the flaky nails I also wanted to add it takes about 3 month for a nail to grow 1cm so any flakiness you are seeing now was caused during it's formation in the nail bed, so any problems you see coming out now have more to do with your nutrition in the past?

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Wed 13-Mar-13 15:31:22

Fast going brilliantly, am finding it much easier now. I'm sort of doing 4.5:2.5 - having 2 <500 cal days and one mini fast a week. Seems to be working well!

My nails are always in terrible condition to be honest so haven't noticed any unusual flakiness. The insomnia I am not finding a problem as I just genuinely don't feel tired anyway - so figure I must not need the sleep?

I am not enjoying sugary tea/coffee on non-fast days - it's like my taste buds have been reignited and everything is stronger tasting. So have halved my sugar in tea/coffee and majorly reduced my milk intake - it was bloating me something chronic!

BlackMaryJanes Wed 13-Mar-13 15:56:52

Guys lets talk sabotage. Has anyone tried to sabotage your efforts? For example, one thing that genuinely gets my goat is people saying: "why are you on a diet? You dont need to loose any weight. you'll dissapear" etc etc. How do they expext me to respond to that? "Oh, well if YOU say I dont beed to loose weight then I wont bother. you obviously know more about my weight than I do!"

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Wed 13-Mar-13 16:10:55

BMJ I just get people saying 'you are going to get an eating disorder' or 'when you start eating properly you will pile it back on'.

I find that the results speak for themselves to be honest! grin

BetsyVanBell Wed 13-Mar-13 16:20:14

B&W I'd be interested in some pencil holding activities if you'd be kind enough to pass them along!

Impromptu fast today - not my usual routine as I did have breakfast but then ran out of time to have lunch so have just thought I may as well hold out til a light soup supper and that'll do the job! It's either that or I make a massive pig of myself right now, and I don't want to do that. Spurred on by trying on buying a bikini today, EEK shock.

afternoon. just broke my fast (mini fast day) with a little pack of wasabi - filling and tasty for only 145cals - thought i'd mention it for those who like mini meals in the day still and also maybe useful to those who want treats/munchies on train journeys when they have long out of town work days.

today is an eat day but i've been to the supermarket on the way home from work and stocked up on fishy treats. i do intend to have pasta with reduced fat creme fraiche and smoked salmon for my 'eat' dinner but if i get munchy i can eat healthy low fat protein stuff i've bought. mind you i did buy a small packet of choc digestives at 80cals each and have my permission to have a few if i want them.

i think eat days probably need a bit of planning in the sense that if like today you can feel it's going to be a munchy one and you really feel like eating then buying stuff in for that that is damage limitation food (like the seafood i've gone for today) could be helpful.

the wasabi rolls are really sinking in though and filling me up so i will try and hold off for at least an hour before eating anything else so i don't just go into stuff my face and i'm on a roll so i'll stuff it some more mode - a mode i'm quite good at wink

i am going to pour myself a glass of wine though. have to be up early and into train station early tomorrow so and am child free so a couple of glasses of wine early and a nice hot bath will hopefully soothe me into an early night.

have just realised i haven't inhaled a tub of ben and jerry's for weeks now - i think i have killed the craving and habit of ice cream! that is good news.

Sugarice Wed 13-Mar-13 16:55:41

Hi all, may I join in.

I have to shift a stone, I had a hysterectomy back in November and I have accumulated a lot of weight around my middle which I need to get rid of, it's depressing me no end.

I really want to get into this, will buy MM's book tomorrow.

of course you can sugarice - welcome aboard. everyone seems to be finding this is great for losing weight around the middle. take some measurements before you get started so you can keep track.

hope you have healed and recovered well other than the weight gain smile

jayceejay3 Wed 13-Mar-13 17:10:52

Just throwing this out there, (I`m not terribly clued up on the science bit) Does it make a difference where your cals come from or not? on a feast day I mean. obviously its good to eat healthily but leaving that aside...

Sugarice Wed 13-Mar-13 17:22:12

swallowedAfly yes recovered well thanks.

I had my ovaries out too, I'm concerned that my weight gain is linked and it may never shift, read lots of material online [never good I know] and it's common by all accounts, I've been a low carber for a long time and don't eat bread so am determined to do this and get this spare tyre to shift.

Talkinpeace Wed 13-Mar-13 17:48:48

I am not on a diet. I am fasting for the long term health benefits.
That tends to shut people up.

Eat what you like - a fair few of my non fast calories come from wine, pizza and roast sunday lunch :-)

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Mar-13 17:51:13

jaycee obviously from a health point of view (and from the point of view of getting "more" for your calories) then best to eat lots of nice healthy protein and fresh fruit and veg.
BUT the whole point of this woe is that it shouldn't feel like a permanent "diet" but a woe that accommodates real life with all its treats and little pleasures so...... enjoy your food, eat what your body will thrive on and don't feel bad about the more calorific, fun stuff!

sugarice - it's like hitting menopause instantly i guess which is also associated with weight gain around the middle. i actually watched a video on it recently - can't remember where - might have been linked to on these threads. was looking at why women are more prone to apple shape after menopause. i bet you can sort it! it hasn't been long and you've been through a huge hormonal shift so now things have settled down a bit and you've got a new plan of attack i bet you can shift it smile

jaycee - eat what you want. i'm tucking into sushi and shellfish this evening because i know i felt like eating and eating and having lots of flavour - if i'd try to do that on fatty, salty, sugary, nutritionally empty food that would have meant a hell of a lot of calories and i really need to see some progress this week.

Minimammoth Wed 13-Mar-13 18:09:42

I have done really well today. No breakfast, large cup of tea, coffee mid morning, soup, boiled egg and a few salad leaves, soup for tea about350 cals. Planning on piece of toast for supper, and tea .
Thanks talkin

i have had some sushi. then a gap. then a cup of mussels with vinegar on. i'm holding off on my treat myself to pasta dinner for a while longer so i go to bed with the carby full niceness grin

greenfig Wed 13-Mar-13 18:28:21

Ooh BVB tell us about the bikini! Can't wait for some sunshinesmile

you know i may even sack off the pasta for another day. reality is i'm going to eat some of those chocolate biscuits so maybe i'll just have some fruit and go straight to the bics. i actually feel quite full up. do you think it matters if you have quite a few low cal days in a row? i'm off out with a friend for a proper truck stop fry up on friday so that's a few days worth right there.

Daisy1407 Wed 13-Mar-13 18:40:33

I've done about a 20hr fast so tonight well in about 3 mins I'm having 2 hit and spicy chicken breasts from BBQ range Asda at 102kcal each with a jacket potato at 210kcal with lots of salad then a hot choc to send me up to bed!
Food time! X

Miffytastic Wed 13-Mar-13 18:44:19

venus you mentioned on pg8 of this thread about headaches - I'm no expert but I wonder if it was caused by sugar - as you said you had an ice lolly and half a pear , which is mostly fructose water and fibre. I find I can feel rough after eating my main fast day meal, more exhausted and a bit headachey. What works for me is lots of redbush tea, and low fat dairy /protein meals eg baby bel light or yogurt.
Hope that helps

BetsyVanBell Wed 13-Mar-13 18:48:22

greenfig Just a cheapy from primark - blue & navy stripes, bit 1950s style! I'm going somewhere with a pool over easter and figure a bikini will be easier to dry in a hotel bathroom than full on swimming cossie! Also if people must see me half nekkid then I'd rather the focus was on the slightly toned upper half than the awful flabby legs blush. My Jillian regime to attempt to make them less dreadful has gone by the wayside with having a cold for too long.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Wed 13-Mar-13 18:55:37

Haven't eaten today as have got a meal out this evening. I decided to think like a thin person & save myself. Not that hard really as today was meant to be a fast day anyway. grin

I take a multivitamin on fast days - may be worth considering for people whose nails have gone a bit flaky.

Inlovewithchocolate Wed 13-Mar-13 19:09:58

Wow fasting is quite easy if you put your mind to it. I've been doing this for a couple of weeks now and am finding it doable. It fits right into your lifestyle. This site is fantastic, the support is amazing.
I have a stone to lose

jayceejay3 Wed 13-Mar-13 19:38:29

Thanks! having some wine right now! you girls have really embraced it, I`ve still got guilt pangs, old habits die hard I guess? p.s, can`t suss how to use smileys???

Strawberrysouffle Wed 13-Mar-13 20:01:48

Please can you help me. I am feeling so demotivated!

I have been doing 5:2 since last September. For the first 4 months I steadily lost 12 pounds but for the past 2 months I have lost nothing sad

I assume this is a plateau and I have tried to be patient but I dont feel like I am doing anything different. Also I am not losing inches as my clothes have felt the same for the past 2 months.

Has anyone experienced this? Will the weightloss start again or do I have to do something different? I do a spin class twice a week and walk every day. I have a bmi of about 26 so not underweight. I eat enough on eating days but not too much. On fast days I have about 300 calories at 4pm then a big bowl of soup at about 8.30. I drink hot water through the day.

Any help or ideas would be really appreciated.

parrotsandcarsnips Wed 13-Mar-13 20:08:16

Hi peplum41 it is good to hear how you manage your fast on night shift.
breadandwine thanks for tips on insomnia but it is my first night off which i struggle with despite usually only having 3-4 hours that day.

For those of normal BMI, I have lost weight and I dont want to lose anymore(health beneifts were main goal, but also giving husband moral support as he is losing weight)
I plan to continue with fasting but will not restrict calorie intake, a nice problem to have,I guess. Any tips appreciated

fancyanother Wed 13-Mar-13 20:35:54

Hi, I have just done my second fast day, so I'm still learning what is right for me. Today, I didn't eat anything until 12.30, which was fine, then I didnt have anything until 5.00. I was then starving at 8.00. I have just had a second portion of vegetable chilli, so Im hoping it didnt push me too over. What do people find is the best way of dividing the calories? 3 small meals or 2 meals? I'm quite proud of myself that I managed to resist the temptation to have a biscuit! I did find that on my non fast day (yesterday) I ate a LOT of cake! I'm hoping this settles down and it just becomes a way of life, rather than just a binge fest when I'm not fasting! I have lost a couple of lb's already though, so it seems to be working!

LexingtonBear Wed 13-Mar-13 20:37:29

Watching Masterchef on a fast day is just self-inflicted torture! But wanted to say thanks to everyone for all your inspiration - have been lurking for a while and am cautiously optimistic about this WOE. Have lost over a stone since Jan and just feel generally much healthier and - importantly - much more mindful of what I'm eating. Finding fasting increasingly enjoyable - and a big shout out to Linda McCartney lentil cottage pie as my staple evening fast meal!

Talkinpeace Wed 13-Mar-13 20:40:50

Have you checked your TDEE and eating day calories?
Just that if you have now "balanced" your new calorie needs with what you are eating, you'll not lose any more.
I now REALLY struggle to lose more (v low BMI) but will make the effort before my Easter beach holiday
but with TDEE of 1500 have little leeway!
especially once Wine is taken into account!

I'd suggest logging your non fast food onto MFP and seeing where you are relative to TDEE
increase your exercise levels

I know 5:2 is not meant to include calorie counting : once you are slim it does not, but while you are retraining your brain it can be useful

PoshVoice Wed 13-Mar-13 20:43:34

Hi everyone,

Well done to everyone fasting today. A feast day today and boy have I been eating!

Someone at work brought in homemade Dundee cake for their birthday yesterday, took all my willpower to resist but I did grab a slice and put it in the work fridge for today.

Lasted a whole 20 minutes at work today before eating it, since then I have had my stir fry for lunch (very healthy, seven veg (let's just gloss over the sirloin steak in at as we'll!)). Then i had a twix. Got home from work and I've had two packets of crisps (why? I almost never eat crisps) and I'm on my second grey goose and diet Pepsi whilst watching the match. I've also got a rack of lamb to eat this evening.


Im gonna Chalk this day down to experience, I think breaking my habit of having no breakfast has lead to me being hungry all day.

Back on the wagon tomorrow with my last fast day of the week.

Daisy1407 Wed 13-Mar-13 20:53:15

Gosh I have a headache tonight! Having really dry hands too....really odd! And dry lips! Oh we'll nearly bedtime - food tomorrow YEY

wildwater Wed 13-Mar-13 20:57:58

The perfect break-fast: freeze half a banana (cut into chunks) overnight. In the morning (or whenever) put the frozen banana in blender with half a cup of skim milk. Whizz until thick and creamy. Amazing consistency, great taste, under 100 calories.

plecofjustice Wed 13-Mar-13 20:58:14


I'm like you, started back in September. Something I do, every so often (about every couple of months), is do a 6:1 - admittedly, usually because I can't fit a second fast in a packed week, rather than consciously. However, I find it does help to kick start everything again, I might put on a pound, or even stay the same, but the next week back on 5:2, I'm losing more.

It also reminds me I'm not a slave to the diet - keeps it in the perspective of WOE, I guess. After all, if I'm in it for the long haul, I have to enable myself to have the flexibility to stop myself from saying "sod this, life's too short" as I have done with every other diet blush

BetsyVanBell Wed 13-Mar-13 21:00:23

Doing 2 fast days close together is hard (Monday & Wednesday). I'm usually hungriest 2 days after a fast so I'm trying this out today in an effort not to overeat. Nearly there though! Gone over my calories a bit as I had a largish but mostly healthy brunch before I decided on this being a fast day and was pretty darn hungry by the time I ate my veg soup this evening. Ended up eating a bit of the yorkshire pud from the kids' toad in the hole, and a handful of nuts & dried fruits about an hour later. I feel hungry now but I'm going to ride through it. I wouldn't normally have anything before lunchtime on a fast day and I'd forgotten how much harder it is if you do eat earlier, especially as I'd normally do most of my cals in the evening.

I might try and do a mini fast on Friday otherwise it's too many feed days before Monday's fast.

However, it did mean I didn't snack during the post work/school danger zone smile a habit I'm desperately trying to break.

I'm also trying to claw my way back down to my last lowest weight - last spotted 1st March and was only half a pound off it this morning. Would like to sit on that weight firmly for a bit rather than bounce back up again. I've managed to pick up my exercise levels a bit these last couple of days too.

Well done to any new fasters, you all seem to be finding it a little easier with a couple under your belt grin.

frenchfancy Wed 13-Mar-13 21:28:05

Strawberry I had a plateau at about the same level which thankfully has now moved. Things I did to move along include logging on MFP and upping my fitness. So for example instead of walking take up running. Having a week off or having a big blow out are also said to help move off plateaus.

Nettnett Wed 13-Mar-13 21:41:43

Hello everyone!
I'm another long-time lurker emerging from the ether!
I have read (most) of the threads, usually on fast days, as inspiration to stay on track, and I must say, it worked! (thank-you TIP!)
I am doing 5:2 mainly for the health benefits, as my DM has just been diagnosed with dementia, however, the loss of 2kg has been most welcome!
So, my stats are:
58 years old
1.63 cm tall
56.2 kg (woo hoo!)
BMI 19.3
I've been on this WOL for 1 month now, have no trouble doing my exercise (30 minutes walk a day, and 3 Pilates classes a week) on fast days, and have worked up to a 23-24 hour fast, and a 16 hour fast (no breakfast) most other days. And of course, NO SNACKING!!
Thank-you again ladies, (not forgetting MOB and BreadandWine) for your fabulous inspiration!

Talkinpeace Wed 13-Mar-13 21:49:39

Welcome Nettnett - somehow me must get ManonBoard back on these threads - he was even more opinionated than me :-)

WinnerK Wed 13-Mar-13 21:51:44

Hi everyone

I posted in the previous thread but BetsyVanBell kindly redirected me here, did not realise how fast these threads move!

Quick recap - I'm 30 years old and have been doing 5:2 for almost four weeks now, I seem to have dropped a lot of weight quite quickly and want to make it more sustainable, I don't want to yoyo.

BlackMaryJanes - I'm 5ft 7". I weighed myself last week and had dropped to 9 stone but weighed myself today and I'm just under 9.5 stone now, maybe I am just weighing myself too often?!

My favourite time of the week is waking up after a fast day and going for a morning swim, my stomach has never felt so flat and I've never felt so light!

jayceejay3 Wed 13-Mar-13 22:31:43

Strawberry, thats amazing weight loss, almost a stone! Reading other posts it seems to be a pattern to at some point stop losing inches and weight. maybe read the science bit again? because I`m fairly sure this is not uncommon. Maybe a kick-start fast over 36 hours would trigger?

prawntoast I'm 5'3" and started at 11st2lbs.,which is a BMI of about 27.My initial weight loss goal is 10 st . I may reassess then. I'm an apple shape and carry everything on top and middle so Im a size 16 on top and 12/14 on bottom.
dotty well done on your loss,you'll get to 10 stone something soon Ive no doubt. Are you going anywhere nice for your 40th? Have a wonderful time! I went on a girly weekend for my 40th to Barcelona. Its my 50th this year and me and DH are going somewhere to quietly 'celebrate' ( didnt really want to let too many people know its my 50th, it sounds too old) Sorry if Ive just offended all the 50 plus's but thats how I feel.
Welcome to all the new posters and good luck tomorrow to all my fellow Thursday fasters

Breadandwine Wed 13-Mar-13 23:02:30

About reaching a plateau, folks, and what to do about it:

There are several threads on the subject on the 52FastDiet forum

Haven't read them myself, but there might be something useful there!

peplum41 Thu 14-Mar-13 00:34:05

Hi chaps, got a few minutes spare to check my fave thread.
bread&wine you really are cute with your veganism and pencil holding parties! The insomnia is a long term problem, but has got much worse since starting this woe, I feel really pepped! In some ways that's great, but I've had about 6 hours sleep in 4 days. Not sure this can be good for my health. And no, I'm not drinking loads of coffee.

mehefin no the company I work for do not provide health checks.
I was attracted to this woe by the diet pros, but its the health side that will keep me on it. I always felt uneasy about atkins, seemed so unnatural.

daddyorchips loved that advert, great name! You seemed well on your way to a 2nd fast day earlier.

peplum41 Thu 14-Mar-13 00:49:55

Hello also to nettnett. You seem to be in good health. How long have you been doing pilates? It's my fave form of exercise,but I'm rubbish at disciplining myself to stick to it. I'm good at sticking to walking because I have a dog, and enjoy the fresh air, even when its too fresh.
Sorry to hear about your DM, really hope that 5:2 can make a difference for future generations.

Nettnett Thu 14-Mar-13 03:28:38

Hi Peplum, I've been doing pilates for 10 years, started after my hip replacement 11 years ago, needed something a little more low impact than the body balance I was doing before.
It works well for me, keeps the arthritis at bay, and appears to be a regime I can maintain as the Ravages of Time (ROT!) sets in...
My friend on the neighbouring mat is 82 and still going strong, so with any luck...

Well, as a WOE 5:2 is definitely doing something to me, as I mentioned before I'm on an eating day, I haven't gone crazy, eggs and beans on toast at lunch then curry and cheesecake for tea with a few glasses of wine, I've woken up with a horrid too full sicky feeling, terrible heartburn and have actually been sick, I'm convinced its because of eating such rich food which I haven't done for the last few weeks. I still feel 'too full' and will be definitely avoiding eating that much again!
Before I could polish off a takeaway, dessert and then coffee and chocolates.
From now on ill be sticking to one lot of rich food, and definitely not with wine!

<hopes this is because of 5:2 and I'm not coming down with a bug>

Breadandwine Thu 14-Mar-13 04:38:51

I haven't gone crazy, eggs and beans on toast at lunch then curry and cheesecake for tea with a few glasses of wine, I've woken up with a horrid too full sicky feeling, terrible heartburn and have actually been sick, I'm convinced its because of eating such rich food which I haven't done for the last few weeks.

Storm I hate to be the bearer of bad news - but what you describe doesn't sound like rich food to me. Hope I'm wrong and you're fighting fit in the morn! smile

B&W I'd be interested in some pencil holding activities if you'd be kind enough to pass them along!

I'll gladly do that, Betsy. I'll PM you when I get them all together.

Basically, there are three games, 'Bump the finger', 'Yellow/blue games', and 'Yellow/blue names'. They take the child from learning to hold a pencil to writing their own name. Great fun!

I'll get onto it later today. It'll be good for me to do this since my daughter is 16 weeks pregnant with her first. smilesmile grin smilesmile

bread&wine you really are cute with your veganism and pencil holding parties! The insomnia is a long term problem, but has got much worse since starting this woe, I feel really pepped! In some ways that's great, but I've had about 6 hours sleep in 4 days. Not sure this can be good for my health. And no, I'm not drinking loads of coffee. LOL!! Cute, eh? I'll run that past my wife later on today! smile

Ironic we should have been discussing insomnia earlier. Here it is at 4.17 and I've been awake from 3.00am. I've only had an hour's sleep - and, like yourself, I'm buzzing! This happens every 6 weeks or so since I've been on this WOL, generally after writing out recipes or similar too close to bed time. Not tonight, all I did was make some bread, which should have relaxed me!

I made some white bread rolls after coming in from work earlier, and, after fasting all day, I've just polished off two of them with some homemade ginger marmalade. I'm hoping that tiredness will hit me soon - but in the meantime it gives me a chance to chat to you guys!

I didn't need the rolls, since I'd had a load of chilli non carne for dinner, followed by an Alpro pudding with half a banana. I was absolutely stuffed!

But the rolls looked so lovely - and my marmalade is so tasty. Lucky I didn't eat 3 of them, I suppose. grin

To compensate, I won't eat any breakfast in the morning. I've been maintaining since November, and while I don't want to lose any more weight, I certainly don't want to put any on. I gained an extra three belt holes whilst losing 10kg, and I've been teetering on the verge of cutting another one. I can tell exactly where I am with my weight by seeing how much extra belt I can pull through after the last hole. It varies between 1.5" and 0.5" - and I've no intention of going back a notch.

Fortunately, this WOL allows you to fine tune your weight, once you get down to your chosen weight. And I'm pretty sure all you guys reading this will get there!

Have a great day, everyone, fasters and feeders alike! smile

well i'm a happy bunny. scales say 11.2.6 after an eat day and today is a fast day so hoping i'll see a record low tomorrow. 6 weeks and 12lbs for me now (if i don't bounce up again). think i'm on track for seeing under 10st next week.

strawberry - as others say you could check what you're eating over a week now - having lost weight your calorific needs have gone down so it's possible you're eating at a higher level than your needs. someone else said about having a 6:1 week or a bit of a blow out and that kick starting things again. as illogical as it sounds i think that's what happened with me last week. had a bit of an eating week due to work events and birthdays and what not and my weight appeared to bounce back up loads but this week with fasts and on eat days it is going down and back below what it was before the eat and going down well again. who knows. i did read that we need to mix things up a bit so our body doesn't get too cosey - so having a blow out, changing the time of day you eat, doing two fasts in a row or having a week off could be the shake up it needs to kick start back into fat burning on fasts.

fast day and it's a busy one. meeting my boss at train station, heading to london, finding where it is we're going and walking there, bit of a seminar and networking event then back on the train. then i have to do some bits in town and get back here in time for parents evening at 6. hoping all that will keep me busy, distracted and using energy.

good luck to everyone today who is fasting especially newcomers. it really does get easier and it really does work so stick at it smile

for the insomniacs - i have sleep issues myself and one thing i do find helpful is switching off the lights and laying down and relaxing listening to a guided meditation. i'm not 'trying' to sleep, i'm trying to relax and switch off which takes the pressure off and lets my body relax and switch down without my mind winding it up again.

there are some good free podcast guided meditations here that i'd recommend. i try to mix it up so i don't listen to the same one twice in a row so my mind can't predict what's coming and get active itms.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Mar-13 07:17:59

Proof that fat scales are a waste of time:

Yesterday & last few weeks have been consistently at around 37-38% this morning 42%. I don't think I've increased fat % by that much in 24 hours....

Wishihadabs Thu 14-Mar-13 07:41:59

This is my 4th week. Still no weight loss. Waist has gone from 27.5" to 25.5". Sleep disturbance is a real issue (can't remember the last time I slept through) not just on fast days. Also menstrual irregularity seems to be rearing its head. Not 100% convinced this is good for me (37 years old, BMI 22)

Daisy1407 Thu 14-Mar-13 08:09:23

Food day... Porridge and honey for me!

Good luck fellow fasters x

saf under 10st next week? That would be good progress!!

Fast day for me, got up this morning and TMI alert - the world fell out of my bottom. Had the same issue on Sunday. Definitely no constipation here blush

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 08:23:54

Good scale reading this morning, slightly surpassed my previous low by a few ounces smile So aim is to not bounce up too much again.

Might as well enjoy it while I can - holiday in a couple of weeks where I"ll no doubt pack on a good 5lbs again - I guess I'm just trying to get it down to a point where at least I won't drift back into overweigh BMI again.

...Must focus on the health benefits!

...And I know I'll be able to shift it all again afterwards.

...Maybe I won't make a total pig of myself just because I usually do?

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Thu 14-Mar-13 08:57:05

Had a sneaky weigh this morning and 146.4lbs. That's 8lbs off in total and the first time I have been below 10.7 since before I got pregnant! grin

Happy! Not an official weigh - that will be tomorrow morning, along with all my measurements smile

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:09:24

Feeling pretty disheartened. My official weigh in isn't until tomorrow but after managing my second fast yesterday I've put on a pound!!

Uuurrrggghhh!!! I'm over weight and I track my other days on MFP. What the hell is wrong with me?!? I've tried so many Ways to loose weight and after my baby it just WON'T shift!!!

Anyone any ideas? Motivation? I'm up for giving in....

Betterlatethan Thu 14-Mar-13 09:19:20

[monster 54], so you've weighed yourself today AND you're 'official' weigh in isn't until tomorrow, is that right? Do you think you could be weighing yourself a bit too frequently? There are so many factors which contribute to fluctuating weightloss. I know it's hard but maybe leave the scales out of the picture for a while and concentrate on the health benefits of this WOE. Personally I have no idea what I weigh at the moment, I last weighed myself early February, but I do know that my TOM is so much better (less painful, less heavy) and for me, that's enough incentive to carry on...even though I need to lose 1.5 stone to reach the middle of my BMI.
How long have you been on the 5:2 plan? There are real plateaus on this, and they could last as long as 6 weeks to 2 months in some cases.

Don't be too hard on yourself or your body, and good luck!

catsrus Thu 14-Mar-13 09:24:18

Just stick with it monster it will work - though the oddity does seem to be that some people hit long plateaus re. The weight loss. Think of the other health benefits, reduced risk of dementia, cancer and diabetes. It was that which kept me going at times - the hidden benefits.

You've only done 2 fasts FGS smile I've been on maintenance now for a few months having lost 2 stone since August - believe me there is a real thrill in seeing yourself in size 10 skinny jeans and knowing that no matter what you eat you can always get back into them! I 'put on' 4lb last week due to heavy socialising - today, 2 fasts later, I'm 9.4 again. I'm in control - but it took me a while to really get to grips with that.

catsrus Thu 14-Mar-13 09:26:30

Re the frequency of weighing - you have to find what works for you. I'm an every day weigher as it means I see the wild fluctuations and don't panic when they happen - others find it demotivating.

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 09:30:33

When do you do your weigh in monster? According to the scales I put on half a pound just by having a cup of tea in the morning.

Focus on the health benefits for now and take a really good look at what you are eating over a week.

I don't lose weight on this unless I am mindful of my eating most days - generally I try to increase non-dairy fats (via nuts, good oils), eat loads of fruit & veg, avoid sugar & eat fewer (other) simple carbs.

A bit of cake here and there, the odd biscuit and a few cheese & crackers and the scales go up up up for me.

You have only done 2 fasts? Give it time

Your bowels can carry plenty of 'weight'.

I'm assuming your baby isn't a newborn.

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:32:18

This is my 3rd week. And I've lost 1 pound so far...this 1 pound is back on as of weigh in this morning.

I can't imagine tomorrows weigh in is going to be any better as today is an eating day. I know there are platueas etc but I haven't even had a big loss?!?

Just thought this WOL wasn't meant to feel so much like a diet. Counting on fast days...counting on non fast days and I wouldn't mind if I was seeing some results!!!!

I suppose I should just stay away from the scales, but I'm terribly unhappy and I need to see some progress with this weight, ignorance will make me more anxious!

mistlethrush Thu 14-Mar-13 09:33:22

Monster - I didn't actually lose weight quickly when I started this last year (actually, I'm not losing weight quickly now, just less slowly!) but the first change I noticed was getting my waist back. This year I've pushed the fasting days so that I stopped having the reasonably low but still proper soup for broth - but I have since dropped that - and this week I have happily done without the 2dsp porridge oat porridge I was having for breakfast on fast days, and managed to go all the way until the evening without anything - something I never imagined that I would find so easy when I started.

However, even doing that, my weight loss is slow. And some weeks it isn't a loss or is a slight gain - but the overall picture is downwards.

One thing I am making sure that I do is to actually eat properly on the days I'm not fasting - mainly to make sure that my body doesn't just shut off all non-essential things and simply store fat (which it is very good at) most of the time because its in 'starvation' mode. So on non-fast days I'm eating a sensible, low GI but decent amount of food - muesli for breakfast, soup for lunch and then lots of veg / protein and perhaps some carbs for supper - although I'm finding I crave carbs a lot less than I did.

I'm viewing this as a long-term lifestyle - it will take me a while to get to my goal weight, but I'm going in the right direction, and with very minor modifications I should be able to stay there reasonably easily (hopefully).

mistlethrush Thu 14-Mar-13 09:34:24

When you say you're 'counting' on a non-fast day, what are you eating?

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:34:27

My weigh in is Friday am's. This is my 3rd week....

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:37:08

I have between 1200 - 1500 cals on non fast days.

Cereal for breakie, meal replacement for lunch and healthy dinner.

No baby is a year now and no excuse to still be this size!!

mistlethrush Thu 14-Mar-13 09:38:11

'meal replacement' ?

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 09:39:49

monster When you say I haven't even had a big loss - does that mean you have lost some or none?

Have you taken waist, hip and neck measurements yet? Or are you noticing any change to the way your clothes are fitting?

Don't get disheartened, give it time, you will have progress and most of us find our attitudes to food and hunger changes the longer we do this - it's long term, not a quick fix. The fasting gets easier and you won't have to calorie count forever, another 3 weeks from now and you might find everything feels very different.

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 09:42:51

Monster You are likely not eating enough on feed days - a couple of days of that would be ok but you need to let go a bit at weekends (for example).

On fast days try skipping the breakfast, have a real soup for lunch and similar for dinner, perhaps a bit of fruit or carrots for a snack if you feel the need.

Look at the recipes thread for ideas, or innocent meal pots, glorious skinny soups or supermarket own brands are all good.

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:51:31

Yes I skip breakfast on fast days and try to stick to at least 16 hours before breaking and have a boiled egg at lunch usually and then either soup or vegetables and a source of protein (fish, chicken) to make up my 500cals.

I lost a pound last week and that pound is back on as of this morning. I've no change in my clothes or anything....maybe just not for me grin/

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 09:52:35

What's your TDEE? monster

onceipopicantstop Thu 14-Mar-13 09:57:56

Ok I'm in need of a virtual kick up the bum!! Did my 2 fasts Mon and Weds last week, but have failed miserably to do any this week! Have started for the last 3 days and then caved by lunchtime! Very unlike me as I can be very stubborn about giving in usually. To make it worse I have been eating complete rubbish - bread, cakes, crisps...anything carb related basically! Weighed myself this morning and have put on 3lbs. So am trying to fast again today. Have a busier, more structured day today so hoping that will help. Will report back later - hopefully with good news! Wish me luck!

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:58:26

1800ish....all the websites seem to differ but that's average!

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 10:03:15

Ok, monster you are not eating enough on feed days - try eating up to your tdee on those days. Nuts are a brilliant source of compacted nutritious calories - stock up on the raw, unsalted sort. You need to eat more love!

once You can do it! Will check in on you later wink. Get rid of the crap in the house and don't buy more.

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:08:30

Urrrggghh confused I thought you had to eat 10%/15% under TDEE???

peplum41 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:08:57

oh monster52 your posts made me sad. Please give it time,and for the love of cheese have a proper lunch. "meal replacement" sounds like punishment for
the soul.

I weigh myself at least once a day, but Ive decided to record whatever the weight is on the first day of the month in my diary so I can see the figures over the following months. Im also taking measurements then too. That seems to make the quite frankly ridiculous obsession I have with Lbs less pertinent to how I feel about sticking with the wol. Infact when the battery on my scales runs out Im not getting a new one for a while(Im a bit vague on the time will leave it)

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 10:09:09

monster Also, look at your weekly calorie allowance - ie 5 x 1800 plus 2 x 500 = 10,000 calories. If you eat less on some days you need to make up for it - I try tend to be more abstemious during the week so that I can relax and have wine and bigger meals at the weekend - and that's how this doesn't feel like a diet. What you're doing is a calorie controlled diet plus fast days, not at all what we advocate on here.

TiPs hallowed advice copied from the tips and links thread:

Think of your food on a weekly basis.
You are not 'depriving' yourself. You are saving your health and balancing.
2 days a week of fasting
2 days a week of trying to stay under your TDEE
2 days a week of trying to stay within 10% of your TDEE
1 day splurge

breadandwine you may be right, I'm still feeling a little queasy today BUT it was enough to make me think 'ok so I over ate and it made me uncomfortable' so I won't do it again in a hurry, my estimates were yesterday took me right over my tdde so trying to stick to about 1800 today (tdde is 2100) fast day tomorrow.

I'm thinking of trying a mini fast day on Monday to make up from the weekend and try and just eat tea that day. I'm at work so it's very easy to do as I work 10-5 with a lunch break at around 3 which is too late so normally wait till I get home but then eat too much.

peplum41 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:21:03

hi once...,don't forget to report in later-maybe that thought will keep you on the straight n narrow. Plus remember to keep hydrated. Im fasting today too, looking forward to my stirfry and a mango for laters. mmm. Oh yes, its just todaysmiletomorrow is friday and I feel some wine is in order if Im good today

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:23:43

Thanks BetsyVanBell...all of which I accept.

But surely the maths is the same? I should be loosing at least something? I can't see the logic that eating more is going to help reduce the weight?

Hmmmmm thing is I enjoy the meal replacements. Just for lunch, it is easy and fits in with my busy day.

I don't really know where to go from here really....

mistlethrush Thu 14-Mar-13 10:30:58

Monster - the thing is your body adjusts down - so the difference between a fast day and a normal day will be less so you won't lose as much (or something like that) - its a real change after counting calories for years and failing miserably.

But weight loss started very slowly with me - and is still slow but clearly on a downward slope, and I'm losing inches off waist and thighs grin.

You really would be much better off with something like a pot of ready soup rather than a 'meal replacement' as they tend to be much less processed etc - I do struggle with weight loss so my normal days are lowish-GI but not rigid on that and do include treats etc (although most people would be able to lose weight on my 'normal with treats' days - its just how my body works!!!)

Dotty342kids Thu 14-Mar-13 10:34:50

monster I'd echo what's being said about eating up to your TDEE on your "eating days". For starters you can then relax and the whole thing feels like less of a chore. But, from what I can gather from the sciency bits of MM's book, one of the key aspects of what makes this work is flicking the switch between the fasting / eating states. Because your calorie intake is pretty low, even on your eating days, this flicking of the switch is much less obvious and may therefore not be triggering your body into using up the fat stores / losing weight.

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:35:51

I know I would accept a slow loss...but to have put on...I'm just bemused!

This is the frustrating thing, I'm trying to find something that 'works' for me and my body...but nothing seems to. Tried desperately the last 6 months to shift some of the weight and I'm exactly where I started 6 months ago....urrrgghhhh!!

Just going to find a pillow have a good scream and sob and reassess tomorrow grin(

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 10:46:33

monster there needs to be a contrast between your eating a fast days. It's good news, you're going to get to eat more and relax a bit, stop being on a diet! Go through some recipe books or whatever and get some good ideas for nice things to eat, maybe eat that thing you've been craving but weren't allowed on your previous, endless diets. It sounds like you need to re-learn how to eat normally. You've proven to yourself that don't work, this WOE will (when you stop treating it like a diet) smile, ok I admit that's not very scientific but what have you got to lose?! (except lbs grin)

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 10:47:38

ahem... "that diets don't work" I mean.

Second fast day of the week today - not done one with only a day's gap in between before. Hungry but putting off my porridge as long as I can!

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:53:55

Will give it a whirl....still feel v sick so my appetite is not amazing anyway grin/ but will try my best to up my cals nearer to my TDEE....can you reset MFP to reflect 1800??

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Thu 14-Mar-13 11:01:16

Monster - look at changing the settings to maintenance and that should give around your TDEE on mfp grin

monster54 Thu 14-Mar-13 11:09:42

Thanks guys!

Going to give things another week...see what happens!

greenfig Thu 14-Mar-13 11:20:21

Poor you monstersad hope things improve for you, can only back up what everyone else is saying, good luck.
BVB loving the sound of the bikini, may have to go & have a rifle through Primark this w/e! V envious of an Easter hol.
Am anticipating (dare I say it?!) a new low tomorrow as back to previous low this am & fasting today. Have picked up my soup in Waitrose (on special at mo) also a delish sounding lemon rasam, with chicken, split peas & lots of veg. Feeling positive & full of energy, could be the black coffeegrin but like to think its the woe.
Did the yoga saf v good but slightly struggled to watch, perform the moves & keep my golden flame litwink Happy fasting fellow fasters, ELR what's on your menu, I like your inspiring dishes!

"Fast day for me, got up this morning and TMI alert - the world fell out of my bottom. Had the same issue on Sunday. Definitely no constipation here blush" postmanpatscat, you're not alone. When I first started, I found the day after a fast was all quite normal, but the day after that I had the same issue you've come across, and so did a friend who started at the same time as me. It settles down, don't worry!

BlackMaryJanes Thu 14-Mar-13 12:34:06

Yeah, why do us ladies poo more at that time of the month? confused

BMJ, I can't say that I've noticed any difference around TOTM. I was talking about the effects of fasting in that area in response to postmanpatscat's post.

BlackMaryJanes Thu 14-Mar-13 12:56:08

Google 'poo loads during period'.

It's quite common.

Dotty342kids Thu 14-Mar-13 13:48:32

I'm really struggling today. Normally fast days are fine up to about 3.00ish when I have something like a banana.
Today I've been ravenous from the offset and it's now so bad that I'm actually feeling really sick (and I'm on day two of a headache which I just can't shift despite painkillers and drinking lots of water).
Still got to pick the kids up from school and then bake scones (bloody Comic RElief cake sales!) and then get through to teatime for me and DH - at about 7.00.

ComeTalkToMe Thu 14-Mar-13 13:49:51

Hi all,

On fast day 4 here and it's a lot easier than fast day three for some reason. I usually always eat at lunch time but I'm not hungry so just having a herbal tea, hope this means I can do 24 hours before my 500cal.

monster you sound really low about it all and I recognise that feeling from sooooo many diets. Hope you feel better soon and find a way of making this work for you.

I find this thread really helpful in staying motivated, think I might try some of the yoga you guys have been talking about too smile

Anja1Cam Thu 14-Mar-13 14:48:56

Dotty342kids I feel your pain re: the baking, I had the same problem yesterday! I never even licked the spoon, but made sure I baked after my main meal (dinner). I did have to have a 40-cal hot choc afterwards though! All that kept me going was that I would be allowed a piece today grin after all I actually organised the sale (it was a great success and we raised over £120 now!)

Good luck YOU CAN DO IT!

Daisy1407 Thu 14-Mar-13 14:54:40

Craving a glass of wine or a G&T tonight #needed
im also having chippy tonight I THINK - However ive been told its national Steak and Bl#wjob day #DreamOnFella's LOL

TheCatInTheHairnet Thu 14-Mar-13 14:57:16

The 5:2 has arrived in NY!! I was in the gym earlier and some women were talking about it in the changing room. They were saying how it sounded impossible. I don't normally butt into conversations, but I did this time and said it was fantastic and told them how much weight I'd lost.

I should have told them about this thread lol!

ComeTalkToMe Thu 14-Mar-13 15:08:56

Daisy1407 My DH told me about that day too... I told him I'm fasting...

TheCatInTheHairnet Thu 14-Mar-13 15:10:44

Cometalk it was the 4th fast day it really kicked in for me. After that I felt a lot less hungry all the time, not just fast days.

My taste in food is totally different. I used to love Chinese takeout. We had the first one in ages on Monday and I was very Bleeeuurgh about it.

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 15:14:41

Dotty342kids I'm finding it hard today too. I think it's the freezing cold weather, or perhaps just the mountain of chocolate I ate yesterday (coming down from a TOM-induced sugar & carb rush). But I want to stick at it and not eat until dinner time. Let's stick at it together!!! (Although your headache is worrying me... In your experience does food make your headaches subside?)

Sugarice Thu 14-Mar-13 15:15:48

Hi all

Bought the MM book today from ASDA, great read so far and I'm full of enthusiasm on day1grin.

Had some crackers, smoked salmon and hummus at about 11.00 this morning and am just having a hunger pang and ignoring it!

Prepped some food for ds's and dh for later and consumed black coffee with no sweeteners, hard work but doable. Hoping to last til tomorrow morning now and looking forward to poached eggs on a piece of toast.

greenfig Thu 14-Mar-13 15:32:04

Would much prefer chips with my steakgrin Thank goodness it's a fast day for me! I would have to eat something daisy or will that make you more hungry? Also I can never wait for DH to get home to eat on a fast day, I eat with the babes.

greenfig Thu 14-Mar-13 15:33:24

Sorry that was to dotty daisy as you were, enjoy your steakwink

Daisy1407 Thu 14-Mar-13 15:55:35

come on ladies it nearly 4pm your doing brilliant - think how sexy and slim youll feel 2mo LOL YOU CAN DO IT!

rocketleaf Thu 14-Mar-13 16:12:43

Hello all,

I resumed fasting yesterday after a bit pf a disheartened break, which wasnt the easiest as I had a pregnant freind over and ALL she talked about was food! I have been "good" today too as I am eating out this evening plus I am logging everything on MFP to make sure i eat up to my TDEE. But the problem with a Wednesday fast is that i don't know when to do the 2nd one. I could do tomorrow but Friday night without wine makes me sad And we are out for a meal with friends on Saturday so it would have to be Sunday which also seems a bit wrong but would probably be easier. Does anyone else fast on the weekend or am i just setting myself up to fail?

monster i am so sorry you are struggling, I too am trying to lose the baby weight after well over a year and its frustrating to be sure. It does sound like you are not eating enough on off days. If its any consolation I didn't lose much in the first 5 weeks although i have recently discovered DD has been fiddling with the scales and I am a few pounds lighter than I thought I was which has cheered me up a bit!

rocketleaf Thu 14-Mar-13 16:13:40

Also how on earth to you track you calories when you are eating out? Or shall i just write it off as a splurge?

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 16:25:29

rocket I do close approximations/guestimations of food I eat out. I never fast on weekends as we do a lot of social eating then and too many temptations with DD and DH around. But you might be fine! If I were you I'd forgo wine on Friday and make that a fast day then you can relax all weekend and drink wine.

postman well spotted - yes 10st would be one hell of a loss grin i meant under 11st.

greenfig grin at keeping your golden flame lit. tell you what i have noticed over the years is even if i just start being conscious of those muscles and engaging them whilst going about my normal business - walking, sitting, whatever it starts to make a difference quite quickly. confession - i haven't done the yoga for two days now.

am back from london and have a bit of time at home before zooming off to parents evening. supposed to be a fast day but i'm feeling hungry. i think this week i have ended up quite low cal on eat days so i'm thinking if i feel the need to go over 500 today i will and not worry about it too much. have had mini fasts even on eat days and at least one eat day ended up being under 100cals. yesterdays probably didn't reach my tdee either. will see how i go.

managed to resist fresh bacon bagels and the like that were laid out for us when we arrived at the seminar and to not go for the free lunch afterwards. black coffee all the way. have a day off tomorrow and am very glad. will get back on the yoga from tomorrow.

god and i mean one day was under 1000 not 100cals - that would be low cal for an eating day. good job i'm more accurate at work than online blush

Talkinpeace Thu 14-Mar-13 16:58:44

So far on this fast day I have been to three supermarkets, done a Bodybalance class, had half a swim and helped DH put blinds up.
Looking forward to soup for supper.
He's done the fast but will have a full supper as he has a killer day at work tomorrow. And he did his whole swim this morning.

Anybody stuck weight wise - try to up your activity levels - ESPECIALLY on fast days.
Run up the stairs, stand up while posting on here, do the ironing etc etc

dines Thu 14-Mar-13 17:26:27

Hi everyone having a brilliant fast day today was bit tough around 11-12 but kept about Havnt eating since 7.30 last night and I don't even feel hungry.. so almost a 24 hour fast. I could go the hole day without eating as I don't feel hungry.. has anyone done that before or is that bad? I've had suger in coffee and milk but no food..

dines Thu 14-Mar-13 17:29:46

I'm looking forward to I slice of red velvet cake tomorrow I c it last week at a cafe that I normally go to on a Friday morning and have Been dreaming about it ever since lol I measured myself again today and have lost another half an inch off my stomach and waist..so in three weeks I've lost 2 and a half inches in total

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 17:55:49

Well I've made it to 6pm without food and it feels easy again now so am able to wait until my dinner at 8.30. Won't be 24 hours, more like 22, but I'll take it grin. My struggle period today was between 2 and 5. But I'm so glad I stuck it out as a) it's weigh in Friday tomorrow and b) I can now look forward to three days of normal eating. Hurrah!

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 17:59:34

That's fantastic inch loss dines. It's amazing isn't it? I've lost more inches more quickly, especially on my tummy and back, on this WOE than my dieting all of last year! That's the body fat burning advantages of this WOE I think.

BlackMaryJanes Thu 14-Mar-13 18:05:28

Eeeeee BsshBossh are you pigging out on non-fast days?

Dotty342kids Thu 14-Mar-13 18:11:50

Thanks for the support ladies, much appreciated!
Bssbossh I think the headache is mainly due to the legacy of a very stressful work day on Monday and then a very late night on Tuesday (took DS to see Olly Murs in concert for his 10th birthday!).
However, I have had a plain cracker and a couple of mouthfuls of the kids baked beans and here I am, it's 6.15 and tea is on the horizon grin. Thank goodness for that!
rocketleaf I fasted one weekend, on the Sunday as I just couldn't fit another one in that week and it wasn't too bad. DH fasted too, which helped but still had to do the kids breakfast / lunches. Thing that kept me going was knowing I was going to have a lovely roast chicken for my tea. I only have breast meat, without skin anyway, only had a couple of small roasties and had heaps and heaps of all my favourite veg. Might work for you too?

Itsaboatjack Thu 14-Mar-13 19:02:07

Evening all. Good to see everyone is doing well on their fast days.

I've managed to get a handle on the fast days from quite early on even getting up to 20-24hrs with no food at all. But I have been struggling the last few weeks though with feed days, after the initial enthusiasm and 'being good' attitude at the start of this woe, I was starting to over eat quite a lot on eating days.

Someone mentioned further back in the thread about planning, I was planning well on fast days which helped make them easier, but I wasn't really planning on feed days so too many of them were starting to get out of control. So I've been refocusing a bit on feed days, not controlling everything as after all this woe is supposed to be about getting out of the dieting mentality; but just thinking a bit about what I am doing during the day and thinking about a few options for healthy choices. So today's eating day has gone well, I made a shepherds pie for dinner which we had with cabbage, so nice and nutritious and filling, not low in calories but well within my TDEE, even with the glass of wine.

greenfig Thu 14-Mar-13 19:04:49

Oh poop. I did a straight 18 hrs & then had all my cals by 6pm & felt fine then scoffed a piece of rocky road that the babes made for red nose day. angry
Was hoping for a new low tomorrow toosad

well fast day and i've had wine, baked beans with chilli oil, shredded turkey ham and a dollop of philly light for my dinner. oh and i had a little pack of sushi when i got in. i'm over 500 - about 600 and might yet have a choc digestive.

only done one under 500 day this week but have had long 'fasts' every day and very low to low cals everyday. tomorrow i'm meant to be going for a full english so that'll mix things up a bit.

must, must, must do yoga tomorrow - can someone please remind me and nag me? willing to offer any reminder, nagging, whatever services needed in kind smile

greenfig it might yet be fine! just don't take it as a 'well i've fucked it now so i might as well keep scoffing' trigger.

greenfig Thu 14-Mar-13 19:29:03

Thanks saf Perhaps if I go & do yoga the scales fairies will be kind. GO & DO SOME YOURSELF!! Consider yourself naggedgrin

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 19:29:29

BMJ, pigging out as per usual grin. Although my appetite and portion sizes must have gone down a fair bit as whenever I say "I'm stuffed!" DH looks at me and exclaims "But you didn't actually eat loads!" Pigging out in March 2013 is much less than the pigging out I used to do this time last year.

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 19:31:50

Forgot to add BMJ I still do 16:8 on non-fast days (though not weekends!) so that curtails any overeating, I've found. I like limits.

wildwater Thu 14-Mar-13 20:10:01

TIP - I so agree! Upping the exercise on fast days seems to do nothing but good. And it doesn't make me any hungrier.

Been having trouble staying motivated on fast days since coming back to the UK. The first week back was ok, which I think was down to excitement at being back, but then I found Saturday just gone was quite tough and on Tuesday I ended up abandoning the fast pretty early in the day. I think it's because I've been living in a nice, almost entirely stress-free, academic bubble so I found it easy to eat next to nothing on fast days then.

Now I'm back in the real world the fast days seem to be harder and the non-fast days seem to include eating a bit too much at the moment. I hope the non-fast days will settle down again once I get into a routine again. In the meantime, I think I will have to plan my fast days a bit better. Yesterday I planned today's fast: 12 noon a whole tin of chunky chicken and veg soup and 6pm scampi, tartare sauce and veggies which totalled just under 500 kcal for the day. I felt much better about the fasting today, especially compared with Tuesday, so I think I'll be doing some proper food for lunch and dinner on a fast day for now.

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 20:21:23

Hmm, what happened to onceipop? Thought she was going to check in with us to keep on the straight and narrow...

Talkinpeace Thu 14-Mar-13 20:23:55

You may also need to plan your whole weekly shop a bit to settle back into the UK routines ....

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 20:25:36

Ezzza I'm sure it'll all settle down, just need to get into some new routines I expect. Must be a bit of a culture shock in many ways! Just remember, you completely surpassed your own expectations in China so your starting point back here in the UK is vastly better than you thought it would be (if I've been reading your report right anyway...). Let yourself settle into it and it'll be fine. Proper food is a very good thing. grin

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Mar-13 20:26:34


GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 14-Mar-13 20:37:59

Reporting in. Have finally turned the old house over to the letting agency after a very long bout of packing/tidying/carpet cleaning. Carpet cleaning alone has left me exhausted, but I have the machine for another day so am going to do as much as I can in the new house before returning it. I imagine I've burned a load of calories but have been too busy to even think about it. smile

My mum's visiting from the US as well so am busy with that. No doubt we'll be having more meals out than usual because of this, but I'm just sticking with my fast days and hoping for the best. I fasted Monday and today as usual.

Carpet cleaning is tiring but strangely satisfying!

frenchfancy Thu 14-Mar-13 20:59:43

Ezzza don't be too hard on yourself. Your hhave done so well up to now, imagine when you started this you never thought you would lose weight, and you've lost loads AND started running.

Why not have a couple of weeks of maintenance - go 5:2 or 6:1 then get back into the swing.

Talkinpeace Thu 14-Mar-13 21:13:57

Well done on being settled in just one house
and enjoy the time with your Mom.

onceipopicantstop Thu 14-Mar-13 21:23:29

Yay!! I have managed to do a fast!! Nothing for 22 hours. Just had some carrot and cucumber sticks with hummus, and have an innocent veg pot in the fridge. Hasn't been easy but have kept myself busy and its nearly over! Hoping this is the new start I need! Thanks for the encouraging messages - it really helped! smile

ELR Thu 14-Mar-13 21:29:20

Hi everyone only just checking in now as ipad was out of charge and been busy all day! Really easy fast today didn't eat until around 2pm and prob could have gone longer but was in town with my friend who is so fasting and she was really struggling! Had a salad nicoise from Pret only 170 cals.

Greenfig.... Dinner tonight was oven baked cod in a tomato and caper sauce, sautéed garlic and peppers then add capers and kalamata olives (tablespoon of each) add a tin of chopped tomatoes season and warm through then put in oven proof dish and place a 130g cod loin on top squeeze of lemon and oven bake for 15 mins severed 207 calories then served with 2 tbsp cous cous 65 calories, washed down with san pellegrino and lime juice in a champagne flute!

Had my weigh in yesterday and had gained a pound so not impressed but got weighed today on my old scales and I was two pounds less than on my new scales so that was pleasing so 2 pounds of the 3 pounds I gained suddenly was down to new scales not over eating!!

ELR Thu 14-Mar-13 21:51:28

Just added my calories up on MFP and have gone over by about 40 today first time on a fast day! It's DH fault he is having a bake off at work and so I helped him to make a cake. He took my advice and we made a chocolate, hazelnut and pear cake, I couldn't resist licking be spoon! It's out of the oven now and smells divine.

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Thu 14-Mar-13 22:17:43

Second fast day is done! Was easier than the first, I think.

A tin of Baxters chicken broth (128cals) for lunch and a nicoise for dinner (came in just under 300 and very filling). Throw in a couple of cups of tea and water and still under 500. Very pleased.

Oh and yesterday, non-fat day, came in around 1100cals without really trying. And that included a tunnocks tea cake...

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips Thu 14-Mar-13 22:18:02

Non-fast! Ha!

shankaron Thu 14-Mar-13 23:26:05

Hi all!
First time poster here - joined for this thread, I read about this diet and watched the MM documentary and I think it's brilliant, I've fasted for religious purposes before but never thought about doing it for weight loss. The idea of only doing two 'repair/fast' days and eating relatively healthy for the other 5 is great, so sustainable!
I've picked Tuesdays and Fridays as my fast days ( 400 cals) and the rest of the week I'll be eating 1500 calories.

I'm 19 years old, 5'7 and 12 stone sad blush so ashamed I've let myself get this fat. I'm hoping to lose 2 stone, going to be combining the 5:2 diet with Callanetics 5x weekly. Good luck to everyone! You have all inspired me to start this wonderful w.o.e


BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 23:37:20

Welcome shan. You could probably eat another 400 cals on your non-fast days. Especially as you will be exercising regularly. You don't want to feel deprived on your food days or let your body get used to too few cals. You should aim for your TDEE which looks like it is closer to 2200 cals for you. The fast days will provide the defecit you need to lose weight.

BsshBossh Thu 14-Mar-13 23:39:37

Sorry, not another 400 cals... More than that - 2200 calories in total. <Bssh needs to sleep>

Welcome shan...definitely up your fast calories, I'm 9st7 and I still eat 500 even though my tdee is just under 1700. It must be working since I've lost 8lbs in three weeks on 5:2 smile

shankaron Thu 14-Mar-13 23:57:10

Thank you both for the advice. I'm really excited about this and I don't want to go too far too quick and burn out, so fast days will be 500 calories and normal days will be 2000. This sounds much more reasonable

PP's cat!! 8lbs in 3 weeks!! That is fantastic, well done you! Were you exercising at all in those 3 weeks or was it just through 5:2 alone?

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 00:05:38

Very sensible shan (you could actually go to your TDEE of 2200 on non-fast days. Check your TDEE on the calculator in the OP). I've lost 9 lbs in 6 weeks eating 500 cals twice a week and TDEE (for me around 2000-2200 cals) the rest of the time. I exercise but don't eat back those cals as they are included in my TDEE. Good luck to you! My fast day is over today and I am looking forward to three days of good, normal, delicious eating smile

ChocolateFondant Fri 15-Mar-13 02:40:01

There is an article on 5:2 in one of Australia's major Women's magazines so I guess the secrets out. The Horizon program airs here in Aus April 22.
And woo hoo I fit back into my summer pants. Love this WOE.

Ninunina Fri 15-Mar-13 06:00:55

I'm such a chocoholic! I'm so addicted to chocolate that I'm even finding ways of having it on my fast days. Sometimes I prefer to go without a meal to have my chocolate, surely that's not healthy! Can someone tell me off?

phew shan i'm glad you listened to others - that sounded a pretty deprived plan you were starting with smile don't be ashamed. i started out at 12st and i too am 5'7. 6weeks in and this morning i'm 11.1.4. you'll soon start to see a difference.

be prepared to see ups and downs if you weigh regularly and to look for the downward trend rather than react to every number you see on the scales. also take your measurements now so you can watch those too for further feedback - some people find even weeks where they haven't seen the scales go down their waist has and that keeps them going.

yesterday i kept really noticing that my face is looking nice blush i don't spend my whole life gazing in mirrors honest. think a bit of weight has gone off of my face and my cheek bones and jaw line are emphasised again rather than looking puffy.

i am really, really pleased to see 11.1.4 today - new record low for me and being 10 something seems so close and achievable now.

have had very good news about an overseas trip with work - we'll be filming the trip and using it in a diversity dvd i'm producing so there's a bit more motivation for me. i don't fancy looking like a bloated hamster in a film that will be being used for years to come at work and beyond. i know how vain that sounds but - well shoot me, i'm vain grin

i really really don't want to bounce back up. supposed to be going out for a fry up with a friend today but i really don't fancy the calories or the clogging up my digestive system.

ninu - i was in a similar boat with both chocolate and super decadent ice cream. how long have you been doing this woe for? i am genuinely surprised to find i couldn't tell you the last time i had ice cream or a chocolate pig out. for my treats this week i've had a few chocolate digestives that i've really enjoyed but have done nowhere near as much damage as the alternative.

Ninunina Fri 15-Mar-13 06:25:12

swallowed I've been doing this WOE for just over a month. Last week didn't go too well though. This week has been far better, but I'm craving chocolate like mad. My bmi is good, but I'd still like to lose 4kg to reach my ideal weight. I don't eat a huge amount at mealtimes anymore, but I can't kick the sweet habit. My concern is that we're soon going to start ttc #2 and I'll put on all the weight I lost since I won't be able to fast. I'd better work on kicking the chocolate habit now.

frenchfancy Fri 15-Mar-13 06:40:10

Rather than trying to cut out chocolate altogether why not try and adjust you tastebuds to the darker richer chocolate. Since doing 5:2 I have discovered a love for lindt dark chocolate with sea salt and caramel. It is delish. I like it so much that any other chocolate now tastes meh, or even unpleasant. As it is richer two small squares really stops any cravings.

i think it's cold turkey really with sugar addictions ninu. with chocolate and sugar you can get really addicted to the high you get from it. i gave up drinking for 7months and managed to replace the pleasure of sipping a couple of glasses of wine of an evening with inhaling my body weight in chocolate and/or ice cream and getting that serotonin high that follows. it's where most of my weight gain came from.

go to no chocolate on your fast days and trying to buy a limited 'this is what i can have tonight' portion on your non fast days and believe you can kick the habit. i don't buy the whole 'nibble on carrot sticks instead' grin but you can replace i think - my eating a few chocolate digestives when i get the want to eat sweet stuff urge (not every day) is far less damaging than nailing an entire pot of ben and jerry's phish food or a 200g slab of chocolate.

catsrus Fri 15-Mar-13 06:48:15

ninu what kind of chocolate? Assuming its standard sweet shop stuff try moving towards the purer, darker, types. You might want to do it gradually and adjust your taste buds slowly - but the odd square of 70% dark chocolate is actually not a bad thing, health wise. You can also make some great savoury sauces using pure cocoa powder (not drinking chocolate).

You migh find its not the chocolate you re addicted to but the sugar/fat combo it generally represents - that too should be something that gets easier to manage. as SaF says, most people who've been doing this a while find that our binge/treat triggers and mechanisms have had their settings changed. You too might find that overdosing on chocolate becomes eating 3 chocolate digestives and then not wanting any more grin though I think any form of digestive is pretty hard to resist

morning all.Completed my 7 th week yesterday and WI today was 10 st 9 ,also 3 inches off my waist .Thats 7 lbs off .Im absolutely thrilled as its the lowest Ive been in about 5 yrs..Im enjoying the fast days now and I dont really find it difficult ,quite the opposite its just my normal routine now. I couldnt have done it without all the motivating posts on here though..so thanks all. ive been what I consider to be a slow burner so 7 lbs is a real milestone for me and I know what to expect now over the next few weeks. I love this WOE and havent felt deprived at all.ninu IMO you shouldnt have to give up anything on this WOE, if you want chocolate have chocolate on your non fast days..My love is cheese and wine and Ive eaten/ drunk whatever Ive wanted on my eat days..Good luck all Friday fasters. Im looking forward to my usual G&T before dinner this evening

Prawntoast Fri 15-Mar-13 07:22:11

Well done head, have also weighed in this morning, another lb bites the dust. My next target is under 10st, haven't seen that in a long while.

well done headintheclouds smile slow but steady wins the race and all that. and yay for another lb prawn.

i'm so pleased this is working for us.

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 07:26:28

Weigh in Friday today. Have lost 2 lbs this week, which I'm happy about because it's TOM week and also because I no longer log my calories. So that's 57 lbs intotal (13 months) and 11 lbs in 10 weeks on 5:2 (with 16:8 thrown in).

Inlovewithchocolate Fri 15-Mar-13 07:28:07

Hey everyone. This is sutinder...I have changed my user name as its more appropriate. I'm having problems and was doing so well.... I need a kick up the bum... Since last weekend having over indulged I can't re focus. Help. I want to lose another 7 lbs. ICAN DO THIS

57lbs! wow that's over 4 stone! amazing bssh. well done you. how different do you feel/look/live?

rocketleaf Fri 15-Mar-13 07:34:14

BsshBossh that's what I ended up doing. I had grilled salmon with roast vege and potatas bravas with a few glasses of sangria and a red wine and NO DESSERT!! . It was lovely and I wasn't even jealous of the fish and chips and desserts (although I had a spoonful of each) I felt very virtuous! Unfortunately I snacked a little bit while make the family tea before I went out so I think I am probably still over my TDEE but hopefully not more that 150 cals.
Problem with fasting today is I have a teeny hangover and that always makes me hungry! Although I wouldn't mind not drinking tonight because of it.

Dotty that does sound doable and a roast is a great idea. I am quite used to feeding other people and not eating myself as have a toddler at home all day. I think Sunday it going to be the one.

Interesting about the except use on fast days. I want to start running again and Sunday seems a good day but I am a bit fearful of doing it on a fast day as it makes me so hungry!

rocketleaf Fri 15-Mar-13 07:35:48

Except use?? = exercise. Oops!

Well done on losses everybody smile

A minor one for me...shed another 100g to reach my mini-goal of 60kg before DP got home after 6 weeks away...he's back this time tomorrow so I just made it in time!

shan I exercise 2-3 times a week if time allows, but don't eat back my exercise calories unless I'm hungry enough to want to.

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 07:57:46

swallowed well, it's come off over a year, nice and steady, so I've had lots of time to get used to it. The biggest "wow" I get are from people who've not seen me in months then I realise how different ai must look!

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 08:01:01

Correction, I've lost 11 lbs in 7 weeks (not 10 weeks!).

rocketleaf Fri 15-Mar-13 08:02:12

Well done for everyone's losses!!! I totally second/third/fourth the dark chocolate recommendation. That's a habit I picked up when I did south beach a few years ago and now don't really like milk chocolate. Just one square of 85% will do me!

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 08:05:19

rocket I always exercise on fast days with no food inside me. I think it burns more fat as there is little or no glycogen to burn in a fasted state. That's what I think anyway. I have loads of energy and exercise really intensively on an empty stomach.

artemis17 Fri 15-Mar-13 08:12:12

Need some encouraging stories from those with little to lose please...ive been doing this for 6 weeks now,and have only lost 2.5lbs, and 1 inch off my tummy. I am 5'8 and started at 10stone, so only wanted to lose about 7lbs. Like Mimi in the book, im not over weight, BMI is low but i could do with losing off my belly. I am very strict about the 500cals, eat my TDEE 1800 on feed days and exercise. At first i thought it will shift, but im starting to lose the motivation as everyone else has such good losses. I dont want to give up, but would love to hear from anyone else with little to lose thats not seeing it go.
Appreciate any advice guys smile

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 08:18:42

Raided my emergency stash of G&B 70% for a very rare chocolate craving yesterday. I blame the wine Another vote in favour of ditching the cheap sugary stuff for the high cocoa content. That way you know you're addressing the chocolate craving and not feeding a sugar addiction. And as I say, it was a very rare craving and that certainly has not always been the case!

I prefer exercising on an empty stomach - before breakfast or on a fast day - IME it actually curbs hunger pangs rather than increases them rocket. And you have the mental satisfaction of knowing it's more likely to be burning fat than glycogen! Like BsshBossh, no idea if that's exactly true but it helps me to think that way.

I broke my self-imposed ban of drinking on a week day last night, rather wishing I hadn't now - I'm such a light weight these days. Still, at least it means I'm less likely to drink tonight and I won't waste a saturday morning slightly hungover!

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 08:21:18

artemis17 Are you seeing this as a WOL or a quick fix? If so, at that rate, you'll be at your target weight by the summer... what's not to like?

The quicker losses are from people who would LOVE to be 10stone, let alone under that wink

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 08:25:32

ninu I have to admit I eat chocolate or ice cream most days. Not on my fast days though and I am eating more and more 80% chocolate. But I still like a small bowl of Ben & Jerry's most nights (or an Options hot chocolate on fast nights). I don't like excluding foods otherwise I feel deprived. The key for me, in order to continue to lose weight, has been to weigh/measure my portion of choc or ice cream and adjust my day's calories accordingly (no longer need to log calories now as I know what a 200 cal portion of cookies and cream ice cream looks like now).

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 08:27:34

artemis an inch off the waist in 6 weeks is amazing. Focus on that. Slow and steady wins the race. You won't see results in thelongterm if you give up after only a few months smile

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 08:30:28

BsshBossh That's very impressive control - I can't do it, has to be out right ban for me on stuff like ice cream, especially Ben&Jerry's or I just eat LOADS and usually in secret blush. But I do have issues with sugar addiction and accept this. I have to portion stuff like that to occasional days to keep the addiction at bay.

rocketleaf Fri 15-Mar-13 08:31:54

Ok that's my plan then. Sunday morning run and fasting. smile better go as DD want me to draw an egg rather urgently. Will check in Sunday. Good luck to anyone fasting today.

Inlovewithchocolate Fri 15-Mar-13 09:07:01

artemis I can relate to you I am exactly in the same boat. I haven't really shifted and am getting disheartened. But like everyone says we have to persevere.. I'm going to keep going. Fasting on Monday as off for a spa weekend for my friends bday which will involve lots of food and alcohol

artemis17 Fri 15-Mar-13 09:13:32

Bssh and BVB thanks i guess its just hearing how well everyone else is doing that not making much headway (even though im doing it all properly) can be a bit demoralising...i see it as a life long WOE, but do find the 2nd fast of the week harder recently so was hoping to drop to "maintenance" quite quickly. Ive never dieted watched what i eat before so know its a whole new ball game for me. Also although losing 7lb may not seem hard, its how you feel and if a bit of a spare tyre is there whatever the weight it does get you down. But anyway i shall stick at it, and keep being ispired by everyone.

artemis17 Fri 15-Mar-13 09:16:19

Inlovewithchocolate glad im not the only "pouty" one, and yeah its hard isnt it when it doesnt seem to have the effect on us that it does on others..ho hum..
Have a great w/e away smile

well if you want the same effect as on others you'll need to pile on a couple of stone first wink swings and roundabouts. if you're not overweight then it is obviously hard to lose weight. those of us getting better results are doing so because our bodies have plenty to get rid of.

i think that flat tummy, perfection end of things is very hard to attain especially for women in their mid 30's and beyond realistically. i suspect diet probably isn't enough to achieve that and pretty intense body work needs to go into too - as in exercise, resistance training etc for most people. not those born naturally thin and lithe obviously (lucky buggers).

Thanks all for your messages. I was pondering doing 5:2 for a bit, but I think I'll stick to 4:3 for now as I think that way it's less important if I end up over TDEE on non-fast days, and I also have the option of calling a week 5:2 if RL gets in the way one fast day. I'm just going to try to get in the swing a bit rather than go for weight loss. As BVB pointed out, I'm a stone and a half lighter than I thought I'd be right now so I'm enjoying that at the moment instead of stressing too much about losing more weight.

I've been having fun unpacking my bedroom. I'd packed it all away so that my room could be used for guests while I was away. As I've unpacked all the bags and boxes of clothing I've tried on every item. I've already given away at least 4 dresses to taller friends (who look better in them than I did when I was that size). The best bit though is the contents of the Boxes Under The Bed. I did once (for a brief few weeks) in my adult life get down to my dream goal of 9 stone 4 and I've been all sizes in between. As a result I have many boxes of thin clothes under the bed, which I recently (well, about a year ago) sorted into categories like 'maybe in another half stone', 'need to lose a stone', 'gotta be under 10 stone' and 'no way unless I reach my goal weight'. Well I had something in the region of 5 or 6 boxes of clothes that were too small for me and now I have about 2 and a half to 3 boxes. grin Losing weight for me is like a shopping trip that doesn't cost any money cos the 'shop' is under my bed!

For any who are losing weight really slowly. I'd agree with those saying you need to think long term. Think of this as an adjustment to the way you eat food. A friend of mine has been doing 5:2 since some time in January. Both of us are the same in that when we don't watch what we're eating the weight slowly creeps on. So far on 5:2 she has lost a grand total of about 2lbs. Every week she reports 'another 0.2lb lost!' She'd love the loss to be faster, but also recognises that if she wasn't doing 5:2 the weight would be creeping just as slowly in the opposite direction, which is barely noticeable in the short term, but by the end of the summer that's the difference between having lost half a stone and having gained half a stone. That means she'll be a whole stone lighter than she would have been at the end of the summer just by chucking in a couple of fast days a week and relaxing about food the other 5 days!

Firsttimer7259 Fri 15-Mar-13 09:45:47

Ive been a little sceptical about this 5:2 diet since starting 3 weeks ago. Ive been on mfp for almost a year very slowly losing (now) 20 lbs from 157lbs on a 5ft4 frame

Week 1: managed 500 cals on 2 days but crazy eating on other 5 - lost 2.2 lbs.
Week 2: had flu and skipped fasting, ate loads and unhealthily - maintained.
Week 3: 700 cals on 2 days, other days pretty ok - lost 2.4 lbs.

The first two weeks I did think this wasn't a good WOE for me as I dont like my eating going too nuts on the eat days. By nuts I mean entire family size bars of chocolate hoovered up in seconds. This week I feel more balanced and def up for giving it another 2 weeks to see if this is something sustainable for me. The fasting is also getting less scary the more I do it - I sleep better now and worry less that I cant do it.

To anyone wavering this is worth a trial for a month or 2.

artemis17 Fri 15-Mar-13 09:51:33

ok i will consider myself given an online shake by you all wink I also think that having never owned a set of scales, nipping into Boots every friday makes it seem a bit more of an issue than just a "private viewing" so maybe i should buy a set of my own?. Anyway i will continue to 5-2, bound to be easier in the warmer weather.....

greenfig Fri 15-Mar-13 10:59:42

Morning all & well done on some fantastic friday results! Big shout out to postmanpat & have a happy time when dh comes homesmile
I'm also a dark choc fan or sometimes a mug of strong cocoa made with skimmed milk & a drop of agave does the trick.
artemis & inlovewithchoc I'm also on the last few lbs & this week I am only 1/4lb down although I did have a choc related slip up on my fast yesterdayblush so only have myself to blame! I lost really well my first week but that was newly gained holiday weight. It has since slowed a bit.
I previously lost 1 1/2 stone & have maintained well bouncing around within 7lbs for over a year now. However, I had to be quite disciplined with regard to carbs & alcohol or I would immediately see a disheartening result on the scales. It can be pretty miserable, feels antisocial, & can make budgeting & eating as a family tricky.
Having seen the horizon programme I feel 5:2 is a much more healthy approach physically & mentally for me.
I find it can be difficult with the last few lbs as I feel sooo much better than I did pre weight loss that it's easy to get complacent.
The positives that are keeping me motivated are:
the reduced appetite on post fast days,
the energised feeling,
the fact that nothing is off limits on 5 days of the week which makes me think about what I really want to eat.
Maybe incorporate some core exercises? I am doing safs yoga, some Jillian Michaels & some pop pilates from youtube as well as walking. We can support each othersmile

i've just done the yoga. glad to see that a couple of days off hasn't sent me back to square one - managed to do it straight through and keep up the effort throughout. blumming grateful when i get to the end though grin

Dotty342kids Fri 15-Mar-13 11:22:18

headintheclouds that's brilliant! Well done! I'm ever so slightly jealous!!
Don't know what's happening with me this week, my scales have bounced all over the place between 11st 1 and 11st 3 and this morning registered both weights within five minutes of each other. I'm not sure they're working entirely accurately!
Anyone recommend any decent scales?

SerotoninCanEatTomorrow Fri 15-Mar-13 11:30:46

Dotty I got a set of Salter body fat/water ones off Amazon for £9.99 grin they are pretty good.

Am doing 5:2 this week as am freezing due to broken boiler (again) and needed some tea and biscuits to get me through. Had a very successful 2 fasts this week and an 8lb loss so far along with 10 inches. My belly fat is now more like loose skin, so I am trying to do as much 'core' related workouts as I can to try and firm that area up.

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 11:32:34

I'm doing a mini fast today - so no breakfast, small soup lunch, avoid snacks during my danger zone (4 to 5pm) but have a normal dinner (ie I want some carbs later!). So should work out that over a 24 hour period I'll have <200 calories. I've already done 2 fasts this week. Reached a new low yesterday of 10st6.2 but popped right back up to 10st7 this morning, which I've been bouncing around for a couple of weeks. Really quite keen to shift that downwards now!

Nearly 2 months into the WOE and I'm finding it easier to pop in an ad hoc fast day here and there. My DH is on maintenance now so just fasts on Monday with me then I do 1 or 2 more fasts as I feel appropriate on other week days. I've never tried 2 in a row but I'll no doubt stick to having gaps of 1 or 2 days. I started at 11st2.8 for anyone who's interested in my progress! (I'm 5'5"), though that did include xmas gains - around 5lbs. My main aim was to get to normal BMI which I ticked off quite quickly and now just seeing where it takes me. I've never been lower than I am now without there being illness involved so to lose weight as well as feeling fit and healthy is fantastic.

My preference is for a small lunch of soup & fruit/veg and then a bigger main meal in the evening, piled high with veg and some lean protein, but I've tried other ways and they're all manageable for me (hooray!).

artemis17 Fri 15-Mar-13 11:34:36

Hey Greenfig thanks for the info, im thinking as i dont have scales i dont see point .25 or whatever of a gram, pound etc going so am looking at "whole" numbers iyswim.
I do exercise quite a bit, zumba x2 a week and over an hours body combat which is very intense and hurts lol as well as doing a lot of walking. I feel better having heard a few others slow losers so will keep on keeping on! smile

frenchfancy Fri 15-Mar-13 12:39:21

Firsttimer Don't forget that the only thing making you (or stopping you from) eating family sized bars of chocolate is you. It is not the diet. This WOE gives you control it doesn't take it away from you. You are stronger than that. You can resist the urge to eat it all. (--if you can't then don't buy it in the first place--)

Firsttimer7259 Fri 15-Mar-13 12:53:30

frenchfancy am well aware that to eat or not remains my choice, but what I meant was that in the first week I found my self control totally out of whack. It seems to have settled now and if it stays that way Im happy with this approach. If I find I cant manage to eat reasonably healthily on eat days when I do 5:2 then its an approach Im not sure would be particularly good for me and I would rethink staying on 5:2. To my mind the hardest part of weight loss/control is mental and if 5:2 creates a mentality in me where I eat giant chocolate bars a lot then thats not really how I want to eat regardless of weight lost.

Minimammoth Fri 15-Mar-13 13:15:47

Having another go at fast day today, lower weight has held, so fingers crossed. I am trying to make my goal weight in steps. Lose 7lbs first then re group.

Dotty dont be slightly jealous of me ! you are doing really well and inspiring and supporting people ,I love reading your posts. But I know what you mean - i feel a little envy at swallowed who' s dropped 11lbs in the same time as me. But its not a race / competition is it... Im glad for everyone who's doing so well, and looking forward to the next 7 weeks and 7 lbs off hopefully!

forgot to say dotty ive just got a cheap set of salter digital scales that Ive had for several years,they are fine.

Talkinpeace Fri 15-Mar-13 13:55:32

Point to ponder : Flat tummies etc
There is no reason at all that older women (I'm nearly 48) cannot be toned and trim. They just have to work at it.
If you are losing weight then you NEED to up your exercise so that the body that appears from under the quilt is toned.
Pilates, Yoga and LOTS of Swiss ball work
will make your tummy muscles taut, and as they have less visceral fat behind them and subcutaneous fat in fromt of them, that will translate into a flatter tummy.
All normal people have either a rounded tummy or a rounded bum.
Only scrawny youngsters have neither.

tracedw Fri 15-Mar-13 14:19:16

Hi all, i had a good weigh in this morning, today 9st 6.6 ...hurrah, down from 9.8 on Monday, so very pleased .
My weight plateaued a few weeks ago , 9st 9 for 3 weeks,so i decided to up calories on non-fast days and it seems to have worked, my TDEE is only 1480 and i was regularly not going over 1100-1200.
So 7.5lbs in 8 weeks grin and a BMI of 24.3 now (and 2 inches off my waist, back fat ,be gone!)

Dotty342kids Fri 15-Mar-13 14:26:57

Aw, thanks for the support headintheclouds, that does really help.
Great news tracedw too, you must be so chuffed!

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Fri 15-Mar-13 14:55:15

Hi all - I am a Mumsnet newbie, attracted by these 5:2 threads, which I found while reading up on 5:2. Been calorie-counting since mid-Jan, switched to 5:2 about 3 weeks ago. Working v well for me so far, lost 12lb - but still got a LONG way to go. Aiming for 12 and a half stone by the time my cousin gets married in mid-June - am currently 13'8.

I like 5:2 because it makes a lot of sense to me - I've tried Weightwatchers in the past but hated it because I always like to be able to 'cheat' a little - I love food and cooking! 5:2 fits in so well with my normal life.

I've just got back from a long weekend in France, with lots of nice food and wine - was 3lb up yesterday but after a fast, am 1lb down - 4lb change in a day! Amazing. So, back on track.

My goals at the mo are:
Short term: start building exercise into my routine (have bought a yoga DVD!);
Medium term: get down to 12-something stone (hopefully by mid-May);
Long term: 12 and a half. And then I can start to think about aiming for a healthy BMI !!! <embarrassed>

err 12.6lbs actually grin

until tomorrow when the scales say something totally different wink

FastFeeder Fri 15-Mar-13 15:13:54

From the 'Cashing in on 5:2' file, I came across this residential spa programme today. A snip at only £1,295 for a week (£1,495 in high season)!

starlady Fri 15-Mar-13 15:31:42

waves back after a long while. Good to see the stalwarts, and of course lots of newbies. I've been continuing the 5:2-ing, but darn it, weight is stuck or either moving up! I know it's because I'm eating too much,on my eating days, so not looking for advice - or sympathy. I know what I have to do! Just wanted to grouch! At least the benefits of feeling great after a fast day are still there! Mixing it up a bit today. Ate large brekkie - peach and yoghurt, then an egg sarnie blush today. I'll have 500 cals at 7pm, then not eat till 7pm sat. That's the plan anyway ...

Itsaboatjack Fri 15-Mar-13 15:33:00

Fast day today and I'm really struggling to tolerate how cold I feel. I've had to break my fast earlier than planned and get a latte on the way to school just hoping my body will think now its getting some calories it can divert some energy into warming me up.

i'm on an eat day (though haven't eaten yet) and have been good all week. am wondering whether to do a home cooked meal and be 'good' or to order a takeaway. umming and ahhing.

ha at the residential spa programme - what a bargain wink

Itsaboatjack the cold on fast days is what I struggle with the most too - didn't expect it as I don't usually feel the cold but my teeth have been chattering and hot drinks haven't been warming me up.

Talkinpeace Fri 15-Mar-13 15:57:41

that takes the biscuit for cashing in. Love it.

Ninunina Fri 15-Mar-13 16:24:18

You all have a really good point regarding dark chocolate. When I was living in the UK I only bought Lindt dark chocolate with chilli or green & blacks. I used to manage to keep it down to 2 blocks a day. I don't live in the Uk anymore, and can't find G&B and rarely find the lindt, so I've been buying the deliciously moreish praline stuff. I will do myself a favour and stock up on G&B off Amazon in order to save my waistline grin
Thanks all. .. very good advice!

i let the boy decide and he wants sausage, mash and veg so home cooking it is. he has saved me from a fatty, salty takeaway binge damn him

whatsforyou Fri 15-Mar-13 18:18:13

On my third fast day this week as would like to oomph my weight loss a bit after being stuck on a plateau for so long.
I'm struggling a bit though, not with hunger but it's my tom and I'm really crampy and just want chocolate!
Resisting though, I just keep telling myself it won't make me feel better but a loss on the scales will.

well done whatsforyou.

very quiet on here tonight - does that mean everyone is off scoffing chocolate? wink

had our sausages, mash and veg. going to have an apple next of all things. have a few of those chocolate digestives left for later if i feel the urge for a munch. i think realistically i must be way under tdee at this point again. as contrary as it sounds i'm going to try and make sure i eat my tdee tomorrow - don't think being too under too long can be helpful - my body won't be getting any real switches between eat and fast days.

Talkinpeace Fri 15-Mar-13 18:44:23

am having a drink tonight - but strange work day tomorrow so have to be restrained.
ish :-)
have you upped your exercise as well - working out while fasting is very effective ....

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 18:46:36

I've had my mini fast day - 24 hours of very few calories then a lovely big indulgent din dins with plenty of carbs grin.

I didn't snack after school [YAY] - I might pop in a mini fast every week if I can fit one in.

I haven't got any chocolate saf, though there is a packet of smarties in the cupboard if I get really desperate. I hope I don't cos they taste of almost nothing compared to the nice stuff wink

wildwater Fri 15-Mar-13 19:04:21

Hi everybody. Maybe I'm mad, but I have never actually counted the calories...either on feed or fast days! I keep it simple: eat a normal 'clean' diet 5 days, and one or two very small meals (based on recipes from the Telegraph site) the other two. Doing this - plus exercising - I have dropped from 12 stone 3 lbs to 9 stone 12 lbs since just before Christmas. Now wearing size 10 jeans ( it was a squeeze to get into size 16 when I began.) Good luck to you all...

Talkinpeace Fri 15-Mar-13 19:15:07

I do not calorie count either - fast days I know roughly what I'm having.
Other days very roughly.
I use the "muffin top" test : if my jeans feel tight then I need to be more careful

whatsforyou Fri 15-Mar-13 19:17:08

Have been doing a Pilates DVD in the mornings talkinpeace had planned to go some good long walks this week but have been feeling so rubbish and it has been so cold and miserable I only managed one!
Hoping to get out on my bike this weekend as dh is around as long as we don't get more snow, I'm not that keen grin

not a calorie counter either - guesstimate on fast days. so tonight i had sausages mash and veg and i know that can't be much - thinking 6-700 at most and suddenly thought that's not enough actually.

have rectified that by making cookies with ds and we've had a couple each. surprisingly for me i feel full up. might squeeze another couple in before sleeping but....?

definitely getting a more normal appetite.

wildwater - hope i have same success at you. keeping it simple (if your simple is realistic) may actually help as i think sometimes knowing you 'can' have x calories and counting inclines people to eating every last one iyswim. when i've tried counting it made me obsessed and constantly thinking about food and what i could have.

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 19:51:31

I only count calories very occasionally just to check that my guestimates are not wildly innaccurate.

When, out of curiosity and boredom, I did spend a few days properly calorie counting it just made me eat more, as I apparently had lots left to eat, rather than listening to my body (much like saf said). It's not like all calories are equal anyway...

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 19:53:41

wildwater I no longer calorie count either, but that's only because I calorie counted for a year before starting 5:2 so have now learned well, still learning actually what normal, healthy portions are for my size. My next goal is to "eat clean" much more often.

Itsaboatjack Fri 15-Mar-13 20:17:51

Someone please give me some strength. Fast day today, went well but now I am struggling. I so want to just go into the kitchen and eat something.

how about something to sip and heading to bed itsa?

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Fri 15-Mar-13 20:30:15

Great success, wildwater - inspirational smile

Itsaboatjack Fri 15-Mar-13 20:49:42

Wish I could go to bed. Working until close (bar), trying to stay away from the peanuts! I'm trying to focus on what the scales may say tomorrow. The rate I'm drinking water, I'm too busy going for a wee every 5 mins to find time to eat anyway grin

Thanks or the words of encouragement.

I'll keep thinking of wildwater's story too, that's very encouraging - well done.

Southeastdweller Fri 15-Mar-13 21:11:41

Think of the summer fast approaching - t-shirts, bikinis, shorts!

Anyone around to kick me up the arse? I've had the worst day ever and I'm supposed to be fasting. I was so hungry I went over for my meal to 600 cals so I've stuffed up (I did fast for 24 hours though)

I'm now sitting here fed up and wanting to eat something. Anything!

<gulps water>

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 21:34:32

Storm 600 cals isn't stuffing up, it's fine. Don't worry about it. Have a hot drink or a hot bath!

Do you think betsy?

I'm going to go to bed, sooner I do the sooner it's breakfast time :-) x

Itsaboatjack Fri 15-Mar-13 21:36:20

You and me both storm. We can do it though, we have before right, we know its not impossible.

I like southeasts suggestion. Must keep thinking of my summer hols and want to feel confident in bikini. smile

BsshBossh Fri 15-Mar-13 21:38:04

600 cals is not a stuff up storm!

I think what did it today was getting on some of those propper scales at the gym that work out what you should weigh, and I'm 5st over weight, I imagined being happy with 3st loss, but maybe not.

I do go on holiday in sept though, if I can do 2lb week ill lose the 3st!

We CAN DO IT! you're right!

Ouch, storm ! Yes, we can do it!

BetsyVanBell Fri 15-Mar-13 22:11:44

storm Nearly bedtime! Focus on smaller targets if you can - pick a number and aim for that first, then re-assess. If it helps I've managed to lose 3 stone in 18months and I'm sure if I'd been 5:2ing earlier in the process I'd have lost it a lot quicker! That 3 stone was incomprehensible 18 months ago and I wasn't aiming for my current weight at all. Just went down in stages with plenty of plateaus, some increases too but ultimately down overall. It can be done and you can do it if you want to smile

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Fri 15-Mar-13 22:24:19

Keep going, Storm. 600 cals is really good. I have a similar amount to lose - I try and set interim goals, to break it down into manageable sections. So, don't think about the whole thing, just think about the next half-stone - that's a month or so. You can do that.

Breadandwine Sat 16-Mar-13 00:52:07

storm! a 24 hour fast then 600 calories is not a failure - it's a brilliant success! [thumbsup]

<500 calories is a goal to work towards, IMO. So is a 24 hour fast! To achieve one and so nearly reach the other can not be deemed a failure.

To put it in context it took me 8 months to reach <600 cals (beginning 6 months before the Horizon programme) and then another month before I started fasting for 24 hours.

So well done you!

About chocolate:
I was a chocoholic until fairly recently. Being a breadmaking tutor, pain au chocolat is one of the choices I offer my students, so I've always had loads of chocolate in the house. But I could justify it by saying it was part of my job.

The way I weaned myself off it was to first of all realise that you could get the same flavour hit by eating just a small portion of a piece of chocolate as you could by eating the whole piece. So I would cut a small piece of chocolate into as many as 8 pieces, and savour each little bit. Then I graduated to eating a sultana with each portion. I'd first of all divide the chocolate up into tiny pieces, then count out the same number of sultanas and eat them both together.

I'm currently trying to say to myself, 'You can only have a piece of chocolate if you have some dried apricot (say) with it.' Sometimes works.

My danger time has always been when I have a hot drink - so I try and remember to set the kitchen timer for 10-15 minutes before I can have any sort of snack, not just chocolate.

Having said all that, I can still find myself, on occasion - and never on my fasting days - knocking back chocolate as if it's going out of fashion! blush

Prior to 5:2, that would be the cause of some weight gain - but now I know I can adjust my food intake over the next few days to compensate.

I now know I'm in complete control of my weight! And it's a nice feeling!

morning smile

24hr fast and 600cals is in no way a failure! and if you have that much weight to lose then 600 is bloody good as it will presumably be less than 25% of your tdee.

happy to find the scales still say 11.1.4 despite eating yesterday (home made cookies in the evening were yum). was genuinely expecting to have bounced up to 11.3 or something but things seem much steadier this week. am really hopeful for seeing the mecca of 10something next week and being able to say i've lost a full stone.

off to a community event for work later today with ds in tow. there will be lots of food as various communities and religions have stalls and food is the obvious bit of culture that people like to explore and it's rude not to try wink so no doubt i will be daytime eating today for a change. i really don't want to go mad at all over the weekend though as i'm loving losing this weight and being in control.

good luck to all weekend fasters and try not to go too crazy non fasters but do eat. i'm finding now that my tdee is actually loads if i don't eat early in the day and i don't reach for giant bars of chocolate or tubs of ice cream.

Thank you all. I went to bed very early, grumpy and hungry. I've woken up today and I'm not hungry at all. shock

I'm so glad I found this thread, at the min I may seem like I'm taking lots of support and have none to offer, but I'm on week two, give me a few weeks and ill be more helpful.

Back on the food today, I'm on a double shift at work so probably won't go that crazy. Tonight I plan on making pizza and indulging in a few glasses of wine!

Good luck to the fasters today!!

not at all storminabuttercup - we're all supporting each other. seriously everyone's posting helps. my posts are very me, me, me i'm afraid because i need to think it all out loud daily to keep me focussed and feeling accountable. i don't think anyone minds.

we're all aiming for the same thing and i think all of us are finding that being together in that and sharing our experiences, ideas etc helps us.

I think it really does help swallowed. Anyone I've spoken to in RL has been telling me 'that's not the way to lose weight you need 1200 cals a day etc etc' which is fine it works for some people. If I do that by the third day I'm fed up and I give up.

I figure if I can only 'diet' two days a week then this WOE is perfect.


BetsyVanBell Sat 16-Mar-13 07:46:11

storm Just think how those people will all change their tune once they see you losing weight whilst glowing with health and happiness... then they'll be asking tips from you!

You did amazingly yesterday - I hadn't quite clocked you'd done a 24 hour fast! Respect! - I've only done a couple of 24hour fasts - usually aim for 16/17ish and it seems works better for me to have 2 meals on a fast day.

The wonderful thing about this WOE is it's flexibility smile

Minimammoth Sat 16-Mar-13 07:50:36

Weighed in this morning at10lbs9.5oz. Which means I have lost 3lbs since starting a month ago. Am pleased with that. Managed two fast days this last week, and am keeping cals low on feed days too. But feel my spare tyre is deflating.

dines Sat 16-Mar-13 08:07:08

Hi all stepped on the scales again today bit worried as it was a feed day yesterday but the scales have stayed the same smile I have lost 6lb and have been doin the woe for 3 weeks.. I've never been able to lose any weight before this woe because I wasn't able to stick to the other low calorie diets that wud deprive u of everything u loved. . I'm jus wondered about maintaining, once I've lost wot I'm aiming for how do I stay that way?

frenchfancy Sat 16-Mar-13 08:12:59

Minimammoth Keeping cals low on feed days isn't necessarily helping. You should, on average, keep to your TDEE. I think that whilst 3lbs in a month is good, you would actually lose more if you weren't too low on feed days.

Itsaboatjack Sat 16-Mar-13 08:20:08

Made it through the evening. Had a cup of tea with milk at about midnight before I went to bed, but was happy with that as I'd managed to stay away from the snacks.

Was rewarded on the scales this morning, now down to 11.10 after staying at 11.12 for nearly 3 weeks smile

glad you got a decent shift itsaboat smile

pouring with rain here and really not feeling like going out to this event but i will no doubt make myself. has anyone else noticed knock on effects in their self discipline in other areas since starting fasting? i honestly feel like i've become stronger in other areas and more resilient emotionally and stress wise since doing this.

think i've been learning it's safe to stretch myself and a bit of discomfort won't kill me and will soon pass. that has far wider implications than just food.

catsrus Sat 16-Mar-13 08:57:57

One of the best things about this WOE - actually the best thing IMO- is that it helps us reset our appetites and regain control over eating. Dines don't worry about maintenance until you are about 4-7 lbs from target.

Some of us have paused at that point to get a really good sense of what kind of week we need to have, food-wise, to stay at that weight. So basically a deliberate plateau for a few weeks, learning how to maintain above target. Remember the less you weigh the less your TDEE is - so we will have to relearn what the right amount of food is to stay at a stable, but lower, weight.

We are avoiding the whole "diet to target > start eating normally > put weight on again" problem.

I've been doing a 9.4 - 9.8 bounce for a couple of months and am now ready for the last push down to 9.0 - 9.4 territory grin. I find the "no food" fasting easy on days I'm busy so I think doing that (without calorie restriction) will be my main maintenance strategy long-term - with all those great health benefits!

catsrus Sat 16-Mar-13 09:03:05

You're right SaF - I got up very early this morning to get on a train, in the rain, to go to an event - I had the energy to do it rather than a Saturday slob about - which I do enjoy at times but this would have been a "should have gone to that" occasion blush. Once out of the house and on the train I'm really glad I made the effort.

SaltyandSweet Sat 16-Mar-13 09:48:49

Hello everyone, occasional poster re-emerging! I've been on 4:3 for about 4 weeks now, with just under 3 stone to lose to get to my healthy BMI (and also, not coincidentally, my happy place!). I'm 5'8 and started at 13.2, now 12.2 so very happy. Almost as good as the numbers on the scale moving downwards is the feeling of being more comfortable in my clothes and generally having more energy.

I find fasting doable, not easy (especially as I'm currently a SAHM and my kids are always demanding food) but definitely not as hard as it was my first 2 weeks on this WOE. I also think I'm over the initial "eat eat eat" mindset for eat days and I'm more aware of actual appetite and don't eat just because I can, like I would have pre-WOE.

Unlike other posters, I've found that I sleep like the dead now, on both fast and eat days. I wake more rested too. My only thing so far is that often on eat days I feel a bit nauseous in the morning, and my appetite has changed so much as has my attitude to food (eat only what you really want basically) that I need to have things in the house I really want to eat to avoid my day turning into a mini-fast which I know isn't good to do too often.

These threads keep me on the straight and narrow as well, I love hearing your success stories and how you get over little blips, helps a lot.

SuzyFigge Sat 16-Mar-13 10:13:12

Heard so many positive things about this smile Monday will be my first fast day. Wish me luck smile x

Itsaboatjack Sat 16-Mar-13 11:44:43

Thanks saf, I do feel a lot more positive in general on this woe. Even if a fast fails, it's not like the sense of failure you can get on a diet diet, you just know that you can do it another day. I think that diets in general can be quite depressing, but his woe feels a lot more positive which I agree rubs off on other parts of your life, which has to be a good thing. In fact I'm just waiting for dh to get home to mind the kids so I can go for a training run, 7.5 miles planned today. With this wether I could easily have found an excuse not to go before.

Welcome aboard and good luck Suzy.

Hi salty, a stone down already, that's excellent.

akarucker Sat 16-Mar-13 13:02:46

Does anyone know if there is a recommended length of time/weight to drop on doing ADF? I've been doing it for three and a half weeks, and I'm down 7lbs. I find this really motivating, as I tried 5:2 for two weeks prior to this and lost zero! My mindset is still to binge on eat days, so I'm really hoping that ADF will help my appetite and mind adjust accordingly. BUT, I don't want to sabotage my weight loss plan by overdoing the ADF. Is it ok to continue ADF for a while (I have about 4 stone to lose)?

Minimammoth Sat 16-Mar-13 13:04:00

Frenchfancy thank you for that advice. I will bear that in mind.

Breadandwine Sat 16-Mar-13 13:27:50

akarucker If you're happy doing 4:3, I should carry on doing that. We have a saying on here, "Whatever works for you!"

Congrats on the weight loss so far! smile

reikizen Sat 16-Mar-13 13:30:21

Just dropping in to say I've been doing this since midway through Jan and although I have not weighed myself (I know I will get discouraged if the results don't come quick enough!) my clothes feel much looser and I can see the visible results in the mirror. The main thing I love though is the sense of control I now have over my eating. I have spent 25 years feeling fat and miserable, guilty about binging and now, bam! I can eat like a normal person. I just eat some nice things and some healthy things and don't go to bed every night feeling a failure for 'breaking my diet'. I don't binge on my non fast days amazingly because I know I could eat it if I wanted to! I can't recommend it highly enough.

LillethTheCat Sat 16-Mar-13 13:42:48


Ive been wondering about this for ages now. I like the sound of it and have a couple of questions. Is there a FAQ bit anywhere? Obviously that's not the questions, but I bet you've heard them all before and I wouldn't want to repeat anything I can find out for myself IYSWIM

frenchfancy Sat 16-Mar-13 13:49:35

Hi lilleth If you read the first post in this thread there is a good explication, as well as a link to the hints and tips thread which has loads of useful info and links. Once you've read that don't hestate to ask questions. Just remember it is really simple , no foribidden foods just eat 500 cals 2 days per week then eat normally for the other 5.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 16-Mar-13 13:55:01

Here's a treat for you guys!

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greenfig Sat 16-Mar-13 14:04:42

Thanks BMJ will have a look.
Catsrus can I ask what are your plans for the last push? I am at about the same stage as you with regards to weight loss & lowering my range to 9-9.4, but quite new to 5:2. If you have stabilised, I am interested in how you lower to get that final loss. Not in a great hurry to get there as I'm happy but as you brought it up any thoughts greatly welcomegrin
Welcome newbiessmile

didn't make it out due to disappearing dog antics. mayhem.

have had lunch for the first time in ages - made a bubble and squeak type thing out of the left over mash and veg from last night and a couple of eggs. yummy and filling. am now having a G&T to recover from stress of dog drama who has been safely found and bathed and blowdried btw thankfully.

incidentally i noticed at the shop that slimline tonic has 3 cals per 100ml and normal tonic has 5 cals per 100ml! why on earth would anyone bother with slimline and all the artificial sweetener nonsense for 2 calories per drink? i wonder if people realise how little there is in it or just assume slimline is loads less?

basildonbond Sat 16-Mar-13 14:30:02

hmm .. after initial half a stone weight loss in the first three weeks I've now only crept down a pound or two in the last 3 weeks

am now 10st 6lbs at 5'7 so was already in the healthy BMI range

I've been religious about sticking to 500 cals or less on fast days and not bingeing at all on other days, so generally eating a lot less than I was so I'm quite pissed off the weight loss has slowed right down ...

am thinking about going to 4:3 ... good idea? or is it going to take a loooong time to get rid of the last stone I want to shed? (would be happy being around 9 and a half stone again)

LillethTheCat Sat 16-Mar-13 14:31:42

Thanks for pointing me to that hint and tips thread, very useful, but I still have questions.

- I dont like tea or coffee, but am happy drinking juice (cordial with water)

- I dont like Salad and only really like peas and carrots when it come's to vegetables

- DH is a firm non-believer in any forms of dieting and believes if you want something have it. Its not like Im massively overweight, I only want to lose a stone and half. So I really rather not tell him what Im doing.

- Carbs are always eaten in our house, whether its pizza, pasta, bread or rice.

- Also on fasting days can I exercise so I can eat more?

- Do I have to go straight to 500 cals on fasting days or can I cut down certain things on 2 days a week (ie no breakfast, no hot choc, no snacks), but still eat lunch and dinner?

So with all that is this doable for me?

FastFeeder Sat 16-Mar-13 14:38:01

Lileth In your circumstances, I'd suggest going for the 16/8 version of intermittent fasting, which involves eating in an eight-hour window during the day and fasting for the other 16 (so, basically skipping breakfast). You could do this on weekdays without raising any eyebrows. smile

LillethTheCat Sat 16-Mar-13 14:39:50

Thanks Fast So is that everyday then? IE only eating between 10AM and 6PM for example? Instead of lowering my calories for 2 days.

greenfig Sat 16-Mar-13 14:43:08

Interesting saf I had no idea. Glad pooch is safely homesmile
basildon I have read others up thread have had similar than a big loss but have no experience of my own to offer. Lets hope our turn is next weekgrin. I'm sure somebody useful will come along soon, ditto lilleth

Breadandwine Sat 16-Mar-13 14:53:08

Lileth tell your OH, in no uncertain terms, this is not a diet!

It's a Way of Living - one of the side effects of which can be weight loss. smile

FastFeeder Sat 16-Mar-13 14:54:49

Lilleth Yes - if you search for 16/8 or Leangains you can read more about it. It was designed to be combined with an exercise regime, so might suit you as you are interested in doing that, too!

shankaron Sat 16-Mar-13 14:55:12

Hi everyone,
So I had my first fast day yesterday and I am happy to report that it went well! It was very bearable - I was drinking plenty of tea and squash throughout the day and in the evening had some tomato soup and half a naan and a salad, funniest thing is I had so much energy and I've never felt so clear-minded and sharp grin having said that I look forward to my chocolate today!
I want to weigh my self once weekly ( every Thursday) so I don't get frustrated by the natural fluctuations of my body. Also I've changed my fast days to Sundays and Wednesdays as they are my least lazy and at home days.

One question...what is the average weekly weight loss with this diet?


BlackMaryJanes Sat 16-Mar-13 15:03:06

shankaron It appears to be 1-2lbs.

don't think there is a relevant average really - it depends how overweight you are for one thing (people with a lot to lose tending to lose more than those with little) and for many of us it seems to vary from week to week. so for example i've lost 12lbs in 6 weeks but it hasn't been at 2lb pw - some weeks i've lost a lot some weeks next to nothing or even back up a bit on the week before.

ELR Sat 16-Mar-13 16:13:53

Hi all eating day today for me and boy have been I eating!! Occupational hazard I suppose!
Working today doing my Saturday cooking classes and feels like all I've done is eat eat eat! Really hard to resist tasting today and the smell of fresh bread was just too much! Having curry tonight too!
Well done on all the great losses think mine has slowed abit too after my initial loss. DH is still doing great and as lost 8lb in 4 weeks.

Saf... Glad dog is ok, know what you mean about the tonic I too noticed that. I went to waitrose yesterday and bought a bottle of Bombay Safire think I may open it very soon and join you in a large G&T!

catsrus Sat 16-Mar-13 16:23:24

Hi greenfig not sure yet - it depends on my work schedule. I work in multiple locations and one in particular is my favourite in fast terms. Another is fantastic for exercise (I always exceed my 10000 stps) another is a nightmare due to hotel food (and wine) and working fom home means a constant supply of veggie soup/stew/curry.

What I do think now is that I should be able to lose, no matter where I am, if I keep hold of the awareness I've built up. I will try to do ADF and as a rule will skip breakfast - but it will be impossible to have a regular pattern in the next few months as my life is not regular smile.

I'm not in a hurry - happy to go down slowly - wherever I get to also has to be sustainable!

frenchfancy Sat 16-Mar-13 16:40:01

Lilleth the 16/8 that fast feeder mentioed is another form of IF but it is not 5:2. For 5:2 you can definitely exercise on fast days but you do not get to eat your calories back. You don't have to jump straight in at 500 cals. Start off at 800 if you like to ease your way into it. As for your OH get him to watch the documentary and tell him you don't want to lose weight you want to live longer.

Veg and salads aren't essential but they can be really tasty. Check out the recipe thread for ideas.

mehefin Sat 16-Mar-13 16:44:25

Hi all, eating day today and I went to supermarket to get a treat to go along with watching the rugby. Looked at the biscuits , looked at the cakes, looked at the puddings and came back with ----ripe mangoes ! How things are changing.

My name gives bit of a clue as to who we want to win here.

ELR out of curiosity how much did the bombay cost you? my local shop was selling 70cl bottles at £14.99 but i appear to have had the last of them. they have 1L at £22.99 which isn't such a bargain as the 75cls but i suspect is still cheap.

i'm afraid i've gotten quite a taste for gin today - still less calories in a few g&ts than chocolate.

mehefin i'm experiencing the same. wandered around the shop today looking at it all, noted ben and jerry's was on offer at £3, ummed ahhed and came away with a small bar of chocolate that the shopkeeper talked me into that i've put away in case i want it later but actually i doubt i will. bizarre grin

BsshBossh Sat 16-Mar-13 17:05:07


I dont like tea or coffee, but am happy drinking juice (cordial with water)
Try and make sure the cordial is sugarfree as you don't want the sugar calories to take you out of the fast. Better yet, just drink water or fizzy water or herbal tea as sweeteners are not good for your health.

I dont like Salad and only really like peas and carrots when it come's to vegetables
So don't eat salad, and only eat peas and carrots smile But I think you'll find that fasting gradually changes your taste buds. I've found myself craving the taste of fruit and vegetables over sweets and chocolates. As you're fasting, take a multi vitamin, especially on fast days, as it's important to get good nutrition.

DH is a firm non-believer in any forms of dieting and believes if you want something have it. Its not like Im massively overweight, I only want to lose a stone and half. So I really rather not tell him what Im doing
So don't tell DH smile And if he mocks you once he finds out, ignore him smugly as you will be looking sleeker!

Carbs are always eaten in our house, whether its pizza, pasta, bread or rice
You can eat carbs, just calorie count them on fast days.

Also on fasting days can I exercise so I can eat more?
No. You don't eat back exercise calories. Keep it simple - 500 cals on fast days whether you exercise or not. I exercise on fast days but stick to 500 cals with no impact on my energy levels. Remember to drink loads of water.

Do I have to go straight to 500 cals on fasting days or can I cut down certain things on 2 days a week (ie no breakfast, no hot choc, no snacks), but still eat lunch and dinner?
Yes, you can ease yourself into it. But always aim to eventually reach max 500 cals a fast day.

So with all that is this doable for me?
Yes smile

ELR Sat 16-Mar-13 17:10:39

It was £17.50 for a 70cl bottle it had £3.50 off so usually £22 but that's waitrose for you!

i know elr but i'm really impressed that my little corner shop is offering way under supermarkets at standard smile i like it because it makes the good stuff barely more expensive than the bog standard. i'd find it hard to justify otherwise.

i'm lost on the husband thinking if you want something 'just have it' -so you're meant to just decide to be a stone and a half lighter but not actually do anything to make it happen? confused

also to be frank who cares what he thinks? it's your body.

LillethTheCat Sat 16-Mar-13 17:26:06

Thanks BsshBossh

Try and make sure the cordial is sugarfree as you don't want the sugar calories to take you out of the fast. Better yet, just drink water or fizzy water or herbal tea as sweeteners are not good for your health.
Tried Herbal tea before, couldn't really get into it. I do keep trying tea and drink it for a few days, but soon go back to hot chocolate. The main reason is because Im so bloody cold all the time and it saves heating. I suppose for 2 days a week I could manage tea.

I dont like Salad and only really like peas and carrots when it come's to vegetables
So don't eat salad, and only eat peas and carrots smile But I think you'll find that fasting gradually changes your taste buds. I've found myself craving the taste of fruit and vegetables over sweets and chocolates. As you're fasting, take a multi vitamin, especially on fast days, as it's important to get good nutrition.
Thats good to know, so that after a while I might actually crave them anyway. I am training myself to like Broccoli, then I will move onto other veg. Its mainly the texture for me. Carrots Im not that fond of, but have managed to be ok eating them for years so will carry on.

DH is a firm non-believer in any forms of dieting and believes if you want something have it. Its not like Im massively overweight, I only want to lose a stone and half. So I really rather not tell him what Im doing
So don't tell DH smile And if he mocks you once he finds out, ignore him smugly as you will be looking sleeker!
Will be OK as long as he doesn't ask why Im not eating breakfast. Ive only just realised that actually eating breakfast might not be a great idea for me.

^Carbs are always eaten in our house, whether its pizza, pasta, bread or rice&
You can eat carbs, just calorie count them on fast days.
Good, will do.

Also on fasting days can I exercise so I can eat more?
No. You don't eat back exercise calories. Keep it simple - 500 cals on fast days whether you exercise or not. I exercise on fast days but stick to 500 cals with no impact on my energy levels. Remember to drink loads of water
Poo, but good to hear about having no impact on energy levels

Do I have to go straight to 500 cals on fasting days or can I cut down certain things on 2 days a week (ie no breakfast, no hot choc, no snacks), but still eat lunch and dinner?
Yes, you can ease yourself into it. But always aim to eventually reach max 500 cals a fast day.
I will do that then.

So now I feel like I can do it, I think 5:2 might be easier than 16:8 as I often have something later on and to accommodate I dont think I will be able to go till 2 without eating at all as DD2 likes to get us up at 6AM. Of course I can not eat on a night, but then DH will be wondering why every night and like I said Id rather not tell him as that would make it so much easier.

ATM Mondays and Thursdays will be easiest for me I think.

BlackMaryJanes Sat 16-Mar-13 17:31:36

Guys, does anyone fast the way I fast?

Basically I go from a 9pm supper till 8pm the next day with zero calories, then have my 500 cals. So basically 23 hours without any food.

But all I seem to read on here is people having small meals often, which doesn't 'give the body a break' as the wonderful MM recommends.

Thoughts? confused

BsshBossh Sat 16-Mar-13 17:31:47

Best of luck Lilleth. Loads of posters on this thread fast Mondays and Thursdays so you'll get alot of support on those days if you post here.

LillethTheCat Sat 16-Mar-13 17:34:57

Swallowed He doesn't see why I want to lose any weight. Im a size 14/16 with a BMI of 27 so not obese. If I say for health reason's he just says so they say. He thinks that you are what you are and unless its dangerous that you should just get on with it. He's very much if you want to eat something then eat it, not starve yourself just because society thinks you should be thinner.

Even though if I told him, he wouldn't say anything and would let me get on with it, its just much easier to not tell him.

BsshBossh Sat 16-Mar-13 17:36:50

BMJ I fast average 22 hours. I don't eat anything between 10pm one night and 8.30/9pm the next. But that's because I cope fine without the food. But lots of people can't cope that long so do better with little meals. I think the best health benefits of fasting come around 16+ hours but it's not possible for some people. A long fast is good to aim for though, I think.

BetsyVanBell Sat 16-Mar-13 17:51:48

BMJ I aim for a fast of 17 or 18 hours without the calories. I've tried various ways of doing it and a I find splitting the 500 calories between a small lunch and a slightly bigger evening meal works for me. I eat quite early in the evening so I get a good fasting stretch over the next night too, especially if I have a late brekkie the next day.

I've done a 24 hour stint but I do get really grouchy by the 20 hour mark!

SaltyandSweet Sat 16-Mar-13 17:55:24

itsaboat I lost the majority in the first two and a half weeks, which I think was a sign of how bad my pre-WOE diet was! Loss has definitely slowed down though I don't mind so much, as long as there's a downward trend ... smile

Itsaboatjack Sat 16-Mar-13 18:19:35

BMJ, I think a lot of us do do it that way, I try to do at least one 24hr true fast a week. But some people (including MM) find it a lot more doable to do 2 small meals. They are still giving their bodies a break.

I have just been looking back at my weight loss results. I started 5:2 7 weeks ago at 12st10.5lbs. Each week went like this

wk1 -4.5lbs
wk2 nothing
wk3 -4.5lbs
wk4 nothing
wk5 -3lbs
wk6 -1lb
wk7 nothing

weighed this morning, though not my official weighing day and lost another lb so that 1 stone in 7.5weeks. Happy with that smile

Minimammoth Sat 16-Mar-13 18:32:45

Tonight sausage mash and veg plus wine. Mini eggsare on the menu too. Tomorrow eating out. I will def need to fast Monday. Fingers crossed for weight seesaw.

SaltyandSweet Sat 16-Mar-13 18:40:29

Today is an eat day and I've eaten sporadically, but well, throughout the day. Anticipating my homecooked roast tandoori chicken with spicy green beans and a little rice, yum. I also made an apple pie only because DH was clamouring for one. Sigh, will see if I can limit myself to only one slice ... I love apple pie blush. Will behave tomorrow I hope. I fast Mon, Wed and Fri but the urge to splurge on weekends is very hard to overcome

well i've had 2 meals today now and a few g&ts - feel as if i've been gorging myself or something which is ridiculous. still have my little bar of chocolate for later if i want it and will be within tdee and have done 16/8 i think even then but really does feel like i've eaten a lot.

tomorrow i'm going to my parents for a late lunch so won't eat till then and will hopefully get a good 18hr fast and stick within tdee. monday back to fasting. hope i don't bounce back up this weekend much from eating.

fingers crossed for us both minimammoth.

mehefin Sat 16-Mar-13 18:54:47

grin and now for the mangos been too exciting to eat !

swallowed another bonus is I still have a £20 note in my purse usually unheard of at this point in the week . Makes me realise how much can be frittered away on 'treats'

SomewhereBeyondTheSea Sat 16-Mar-13 18:55:29

I find that skipping breakfast and lunch is ok on the first fast day but if I'm doing 2 days in a row then it's much harder on the 2nd day. Thinking of having porridge for brekkie on the 2nd day, to give me a boost. Then skip lunch and have light supper.

Another 1lb down this morning - despite eating pizza for dinner the night before! Amazing. Did my first yoga DVD today, I'm totally crap at it :D but will aim to improve.

Minimammoth Sat 16-Mar-13 19:49:31

Links arms with* swallowedafly* may as well enjoy the food eh? wine cheers

BlackMaryJanes Sat 16-Mar-13 20:06:09

Very interesting weight loss Itsaboatjack It looks a lot like mine. May I ask some questions?

1. What sex are you?

2. What's your height?

3. What's your activity level?

4. Why do you think there are huge leaps of weight loss, with stagnation in between?

Thanks for indulging my curiosity smile