5:2 Diet Thread! 12! Cheaper by the dozen!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 10:09:40

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- we won't bite. Well, maybe on a fast day. wink You'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

B&W has found a new link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here. If you're keen to see it, watch it soon, because BBC has been quick to find these copies and shut them down online. We're hoping they'll re-play it again soon. I know these threads are popular, maybe they'll read my request. wink

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Ezzza Fri 08-Feb-13 10:12:02

Woohoo! New thread! Thanks GreenEggs. thanks

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 10:16:17

Marking place. Did fast day number 42 yesterday, been doing 5:2 since 1st September with a 2 week break for Christmas.

Dh has done 45 fasts and lost about 20lb! Was chuffed with himself and bought a new belt yesterday.

Going out for fabulous posh meal with old friends in London tonight ... cannot wait! Am probably going to have duck or lamb, red wine, cheese ... yummy.

artemis17 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:18:53

Ok so ive put this rather than leave it on the old thread as i could really do with some motivation...
Well after my 1st week done, my 2 fast days went well, I jumped on scales (in Boots so paid for the privilege) and sad ...no change! I have stuck ridgidly to the plan, even done 2 high impact fitness classes. My BMI is 21.2 tho i'd like to lose 7lbs as well as a few inches as my waist/hip ratio is bad (ie waist too big for my hips). I suffer with the cold a lot so on fast days it was even worse, but the thought of the benefits spurred me on. I know its silly but i thought i would see some difference...
Any inspiring stories out there to give me hope that it will work please ??

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 10:20:03

So I was sitting here, looking at car hire sites, and thought I'd check the 5:2 thread (as I might obsessively do whenever I'm online grin). whew.

Welcome to the new thread!

I second TIP's post regarding calorie consumption over the course of a week. Many diets focus on daily caloric intake, but (I think) it's really best to keep an eye on your average over several days. It's very natural if you think about it- some days you might have more food than other days. You might have a drink or two with friends one day, and have a busy day at work where you forget to eat on another. There's no reason to force yourself to eat if you aren't hungry one day, because it's very likely that you'll find yourself wanting to make up for that another day.

When we bring up TDEE, that is really for a general guideline, to bring some of us who have been eating too much (or too little, if serial dieters) back to the amount which our bodies need on an average day. We don't always, every non-fast day NEED to eat TDEE. But it's something to aim for, generally. Especially if your previous consumption might have been far higher than that.

It's also to give a general idea, as many people read "eat what you like on non-fast days" to be a challenge. grin It's not a 5-day buffet and 2 fasting days. Or, well, it could be, but you're unlikely to lose weight for long that way. Depends on your starting weight, of course.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 10:23:46

Mintyy that's great, re: your DH. Mine's been doing this with me ever since I told him about it, and he's had great success as well. I don't ask his weight (because then he might ask me mine hmm and I'm not ready to go there) but he's definitely slimmer.

My weight is finally coming down again, and I'm very pleased with that. We're off on holiday next week, I'll try to get a fast in, and probably a few half-fasts. Otherwise, I'm looking forward to some seafood. grin

mamamoomin2 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:25:54

Yipee! I've lost again this week. Been doing this for 5 weeks now and have lost 16lbs. I'm hoping that this is ok as its more than the 2lb a week average I was aiming for. Definitely not complaining!

Also, can I have your thoughts on the occasional options aspartame filled hot choc question I asked on last thread. Will the occasional one be THAT bad? Or what do you do to satisfy the sweet cravings you get on fast days? Since being pregnant and having a baby I have quite a sweet tooth that wasn't there before!

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 10:30:10

Artemis - I think you need to give it longer than a week quite honestly! Also, you already have a low bmi, its not like you have handfuls of flubber to lose like some of us smile.

My dh, who has lost 20ish pounds in nearly 6 months (1lb a week), for instance, is around 3 - 4 stone overweight. Its hard to tell because he's a very tall bloke, but he needs to get down from 18 stone to 15 or under.

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 10:31:42

Crikey mammamoomin! Are you doing 5:2 or more than that? Are you counting calories on your non-fasting days?

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 10:33:28

artemis a couple of things I can think of. You don't have a lot to lose, so your numbers won't be going down terribly quickly. More importantly (to me), were the Boots scales the ones you weighed yourself on a week ago? Because being consistent with your scales is important when tracking a matter of pounds. I think most scales vary by a few pounds (so if I weighed myself at Boots I might get a number a few pounds up or down from what I got from my own scales this morning). Even moving the same set of scales from carpet to hard flooring will change the results. etc.

Otherwise, I think just keep going as you are? You sound like you're doing what you should be. Be sure to keep around your TDEE on non-fast days, don't go too low cal on those days because your fast days will make your average low enough. Keep up the exercise and good work. smile

mamamoomin2 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:36:51

I'm doing 4:3 as had over 3 stone to lose....I'm finding the 3 days ok too for now. I am counting on non fast days for now (will prob stop soon) as I wanted to know what it is I do eat to help long term. At the beginning on one day I easily ate over 3000 cals! And I think I could still consume that still although its not as easy to. I still have a lot of relearning to do....that its not ok to continuously stuff my face!

drmummmsy Fri 08-Feb-13 10:37:58

marking grin well done all the 'losers'!

artemis17 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:45:04

Mintyy thank you for responding. Although im slim on the outside because of my waist/hip ratio i suspect im not so slim on the inside and it seems im storing up problems if i dont lose a few inches. Im 46, 5'8.5 and weigh 10st, but my waist is 31 compared to my hips of 35!!. So i need to do something.
I guess becasue i jumped in all excited last w/e i expected something to show for it, but i shall persevere as it wasnt too tough.
If anyone has a similar tale to mine then i'd love to hear how youre doing.

just marking place smile

fast day yesterday and the one thing i craved was a beer - non fast day today and haven't eaten yet as not hungry BUT am still craving that bloody beer! grin got a feeling that whatever we feel we've deprived ourselves sits in our minds as an unfulfilled desire till we give in. bit like sweetener setting up an expectation of sugar that won't rest till it's satisfied.

artemis17 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:47:36

Thankyou too Greeneggs i know i probably seem like a pouty child lol, i guess i just needed a bit of attention lol and to know its ok not to lose £s. Appreciate your input smile

artemis but is there actually any fat around your waist? i know these figures and facts are well intentioned and generally probably apply but they can't fit everyone you know? some people don't have hourglass figures not because they're fat but because their build is just like that - you might just have small hips that no amount of dieting will make your middle that much smaller than. just thoughts. stick with it because the healthy on the inside bit is what this woe supposedly really helps on - not convinced our health can be measured by a hip to waist ratio of one size fits all though.

mummyof2girlsx Fri 08-Feb-13 10:50:32

mamamoomin2 I too have developed a sweet tooth since having my second daughter, before I was never really a chocolate person.....now I love it! I am not sure about the hot chocolate question but I'm sure one every so often can't be so bad? hmm I enjoy the occasional hot chocolate in work on a fast day wink
Weigh in today and after staying the same for a few weeks I have lots another 2lb this week grin

though i am now wondering where my tape measure is and if i'm brave enough to take some measurements shock

artemis17 Fri 08-Feb-13 10:57:30

SAF I'd love something remotely like an hour-glass rather than an apple, and yes i have a "boys bum" no sexy squidgy bits, just flat!!, so my tummy is always going to a bit big in comparison, tho I think even if i can lose an inch or so round my middle i'll be happy. Just shows though that even us so called slim folk arent happy with our bods.

Frannyfeet Fri 08-Feb-13 10:58:54

Hi guys

I am in DESPERATE need of talking as I am in a proper state of cant stop crying misery.

I started 5:2 a couple of weeks ago and lost weight, then had family to stay for the weekend and put the 5lbs back on.

This last week I have been away on a residential course with all food and drink provided. I decided that my tactics were going to be to skip bfast and dinner each day and pick the healthiest option for lunch and try & stay within 1200 cals per day.

This was tough because of the social aspects of being on a residential course, but I did it and felt so proud of myself. I ate 1 meal every 24 hours and calorie intake was between 700-1200 cals a day.

I came home and weighed myself this morning and had put on 1.5lbs

I am heartbroken, literally devastated because I have tried so many times to lose weight and failed myself and this time I felt so in control and so proud of myself for my utter control and to have a gain has made me think I will never, ever be able to achieve my sole ambition of getting from 198lbs to 150lbs by the time I am 40 - in august

I don't know what else to try, Ive done:

Atkins
Dukan
SW
WW
Lighterlife
Calorie counting
Cambridge diet
Juice diet
Slim fast

I did the best with lighterlife probably when I lost 4 stone, but as soon as I started eating again it went back on.

Ive probably spent thousands on diets and diet gadgets since I first started dieting at 18.

I am not a glutton, secret eater or takeaway addict, I dont smoke and I dont drink....I eat a low fat diet and am healthy. I am not in denial about my food habits but what I feel like now and why the tears wont stop is that I feel like I am a hostage in my body and that nothing I can do makes any difference.

I am 39 years old and I dont want to spend another year trapped in this size 18/20 body that I hate so much.

I literally dont know what else to do and the sad thing is that losing weight is the only thing in life that I actually WANT to do because I have a career, a marriage, a family and a nice life.....I just want to not hate my body anymore.

Dotty342kids Fri 08-Feb-13 11:02:38

mamamoomin that is so fantastic! Great to read of your success so far, you'll reach your desired weight in no time, and feel so much better too of course. Result!

jumpingjackhash Fri 08-Feb-13 11:04:01

Hi there, I'm thinking of defecting from a no/low-carb WOE to 5:2, as I think I've hit a bit of a plateau and also like eating out too much, so this seems to offer more flexibility! I'm 5'4" and currently around 8st 12, not looking to lose much weight, just a few lb and feel a bit better (less bloated, more energy).

I'll be starting with my first fast day on Monday, any tips on making it go a little easier?!

Also, is this WOE compatible with ttc/ivf? Anyone know? I would imagine the wider health benefits alone would be a bonus here?

fanny - the 5:2 worked for you when you did it right? and now you haven't been doing it and you've put on weight.

residential is over and life resumes and you go back to doing the 5:2 and see what happens.

no disaster or proof of destiny to be fat forever has happened! you've mixed methods and muddled through because you felt you had to. now do the 5:2 pure for a few weeks and see what happens.

honestly - you haven't tried this yet properly so don't decide it doesn't work before you do x

sorry - franny not fanny!

Dotty342kids Fri 08-Feb-13 11:08:10

Oh franny that is so heartbreaking to read. A lifetime of dieting is just miserable I know. I too turn 40 very soon and whilst I'm not a serial dieter as such I can definitely empathise with the body hatred side of things. I'd say never more than half a day goes past without me thinking about bits of me I don't like / wish were different.
However, I think this woe is about so much more than the weight (though don't get me wrong, I'll also be seriously miffed if I don't lose any!). It's the internal health benefits which I'm just as interested in so perhaps it might help to focus on those and see the weight loss as a side effect?
Also, seems as though your restricting every day as you did last week might just be too much for your body to handle and that if you pushed the calorie intake up on some of those days, and down on others that you'd acheive the "swing" between the fast / non fast days that I think, is what triggers your body to react in the way Dr M talks about and causes the good health effects / weight loss.
Worth a try? Rather than sticking to low cal every day and feeling miserable?

just read your post again franny - seriously just do the 5:2 now for two weeks and i'd personally say don't even weigh yourself till that fortnight is over. it sounds like you have, like someone else was saying they have, an overemotional relationship with the scales! yes you put the weight back on after a weekend of social eating BUT if you had then done a fast on monday and thursday you'd probably have still seen the downward trend rather than see a move in the wrong direction briefly and have a panic and assume it's not working.

2 weeks of 5:2 - weigh yourself the day before you start and then two weeks later after a fast day. then don't weigh yourself again for another fortnight of 5:2. give it a proper go and try to take the emotion out a bit.

my sister who has been very overweight for years only really had success with lighter life overpriced fucking madness and of course like you put it all back on again when she started eating (after spending a bloody fortune).

if you can do lighter life you can definitely do 2 days a week of fasting but you have to give it time and not jump on those scales for a while i reckon.

sorry for the bad language but lighter life really pisses me off. complete and utter exploitation of desperation and misery. there is no way to justify the vast sums of money they take from desperate women.

BetsyVanBell Fri 08-Feb-13 11:16:10

Ooh, thanks for the shiny new thread greeneggs

Miffy - I'm 5'5". New target is definitely to get under 10 stone now. Part of me cannot believe that is achievable but what's another 11lbs after dropping 38 already! wink

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 08-Feb-13 11:20:46

franny I can only second swallowed's excellent post.

Restricting yourself every day does wear you down, and constantly reminds you that you are dieting to lose weight.

You say you had success with 5:2 but gained it back when you stopped. I would, personally, just get right back on with 5:2. smile Yes, you've put the weight back on, but you know you can get it off again with 5:2. Just stick with it, and keep posting here. I've always found these threads a good source of inspiration, or just a place to comment on my various hot drinks throughout one of the tougher fast days.

Good luck. Stick with us, kid. You aren't alone. smile

chipmonkey Fri 08-Feb-13 11:22:00

marking place!

Madeyemoodysmum Fri 08-Feb-13 11:25:05

Artemis
I'm the same though still have a good 9/10 lbs to lose
I'm 5.4 and have 38 inch hips with a 35 inch waist
I'm 0.9 away from a normal bmi but it seems for every inch I loose off my waist I lose an inch off my hips too. I have ALWAYS been big waisted with small hips even as a very slim teenager, and my mums the same
It's possible I could get to a 32 inch waist but I know I'm unlikely to get much less as my hips will carry on shrinking with me

I don't know wether to worry or not with this hip waist ratio thing
Surely at a normal bmi you can't be at too much risk anyway?

Any ideas anyone. Thank you

SpiralSkies Fri 08-Feb-13 11:25:41

Oh, Franny, I can empathise entirely. I know how it feels when the number on the scales seems to colour even the good things about life black. And I know it doesn't mater how many of tell you that by 5:2ing you'll reap the health benefits when, in reality, you just want to look in the mirror and like what you see. I do get that.

The things about this WoE is that it's for life. It's not another crappy diet that we 'get wrong' or 'fail' and have to go to bed sobbing because we've gone over our daily allowance or eaten a slice of white bread. I know you want a quick fix. This will get you to where you want to be but it will be one step at a time. But you will get there, and you'll get brilliant support here while you take those steps.

Do PM me if you want to - I understand completely where you're coming from and am happy to help if I can. You're not alone you know smile

Daisy1407 Fri 08-Feb-13 11:28:51

Very sad read!

The thing is the only person who can change the way you feel and look is yourself, if your in the right frame of mind anything is possible!
I agree you should weigh and then not get on those scales for 2 whole weeks - im usually on the scales every day but i know that whilst on this 5:2 the day after my fasting day im bound to be lighter (nt a true weighin) wait till the week is up or 2 weeks is up

I only lost 1lb on my first week - havent been on the scales since and wont till Monday!

You can do it! Go for it! x

Madeyemoodysmum Fri 08-Feb-13 11:29:07

Franny. Stick with it. This woe is long term Chuck the scales and choose a place you can weigh every now and then. I've been using a tape measure and for every 1/2 stone lost I've shrunk approx 1/2 inch off hips and waist. You can do it. This forum is amazing and very supportive. X

chipmonkey Fri 08-Feb-13 11:29:46

Franny, your weight can fluctuate from time to time, don't forget that.
I have done WW etc and can tell you that the week before my period, I never, ever lost weight!
I have only started doing this but intend to keep going and see what the overall pattern is. Don't give up after one setback. You can do this!

BsshBossh Fri 08-Feb-13 11:44:35

Woo hoo, new thread. Hello! Non-fast day today but still didn't feel like eating until 11.30am. I hit the gym instead smile Looking forward to alot of pizza tomorrow. Oh yes, and wine wine wine. Not fasting again until Monday.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 08-Feb-13 11:47:29

thanks greeneggs

franny I could have written your post 7 months ago until I discovered 5:2. If it worked for you to start with go straight back into it. Or try 4:3 see if that makes a difference. Just wondering if you've had your thyroid checked may be worth it.

longsunnydays Fri 08-Feb-13 11:49:34

Well, this is my story of doing 4:3 for a calender month. I have lurked and kept up with the threads for some time. I saw Dr M on the BBC and decided to give it a go. I don't have masses to lose (about 10lb) and the health benefits seem interesting to me. I am a bit of a running junkie. I decided long ago tracking everything day in day out would be unsustainable for me so I would rather compensate extravagent days with running more miles.

These are my experiences:

My fast days are Mon/Weds/Fri and the biggest challenge has been the sweetie drawer at work smile

For the first 2 weeks I had a horrible texture to my tongue and taste. I was paranoid I had smelly breath too! Happily, that has gone now and I feel normal again.

I have had two episodes of really bingeing like a mad thing - something I have to watch I think. I compensated by not having dinner so it just made for an unhealthy day of food.

My tummy has felt really uncomfortably full on a couple of occasions when I have had normal portions on feed days.

Some foods taste absolutely gorgeous - such as the porridge I had yesterday morning.

I have drunk more diet coke than I would do normally......I have a stock of fizzy water now instead. I think for me, it's about having a 'treat' rather than the taste of the coke without wasting the calories.

I like weighing myself everyday and can see the effects of eating/ not eating.

I am 6 days late for my period..........(no chance of being pg) so that's a little concerning......

So, weight loss? I am more than happy to say I have lost over 7lb in a month. 1.5 inches of my bus and 2.5inches from my waist.
My weightloss graph on MFP is a spikey line with a downward trend. I like to look back to what I weighed the same time each week every time I weigh. So today. I weight 0.5lb less than I did last Friday :-)

So, I hope this helps other newbies. It seems like a good WOL (other than the period bit). The next challenge for me will be when I'm on holiday in 2 weeks time.

Good luck everyone.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 08-Feb-13 11:52:09

Sorry pressed post too soon.

Please don't beat yourself up about weight gain, everyone fluctuates.

For the first time in 14 years I have today bought size 12 jeans (m&s but hey) & they fit! I'm elated. I was size 18 (m&s) when I started & I'm now 45lbs lighter & all since beginning of August varying between 4:3 & 5:2! As well as time off at Christmas, summer holidays & half term so not bad!

literarygeek Fri 08-Feb-13 11:53:34

Oh dear franny feel better! I can only second all the good advice above.
And there might be all sorts of reasons why the weight on the scales has gone up.

I have to say, I have previously had a really emotional connection to the scales, too. in fact, i have decided to extend my non-weighing period because I was getting down if they hadn't budged- despite feeling happier, slimmer, much more in control. In a sense, I am trying to see the weight loss as secondary to a better relationship with food- and that is something I have- the way I see food now has completely been transformed. It is without guilt, and I love it.

As everyone else has said so eloquently, we are here for you and you can do it.

literarygeek Fri 08-Feb-13 11:54:25

Ps I don't know anyone in RL who managed more than three weeks of lighter life, so IMHO that proves you can do this. X

literarygeek Fri 08-Feb-13 11:55:44

And, of course, thanks to greeneggs, without whom none of us would be here. wink On the ball, as ever!

artemis17 Fri 08-Feb-13 12:00:19

Madeyemoodysmum oh the curse of a small bum wink. Just wondering if no scale change is due to it being my time of the month?? or am i clutching at straws...Anyway feel a little better having had a bit of banter with you guys. Onwards and upwards, pizza tonight smile

literarygeek Fri 08-Feb-13 12:00:28

And well done, after8s. M and S sizing is spot on there's certainly no other brand that does a size 6 dress I'll be able to fit my size 10 bottom into

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 12:04:54

I dream of M&S size 12s. Well done aftereights thanks!

Rootvegetables Fri 08-Feb-13 12:09:25

Hello all, I've been trying to keep up with the treads but you're all too quick for me! I'm on my third week I did a fast on Monday and then usually Thursdays but things keep coming up. Is it as useful and effective to fast from lunch time to lunchtime so still a 24 hour period? Usually I would do wake up don't eat anything until 3pm ish and eat my 500 cal between then and bed then eat breakfast the next day. Today was going to be a non fast day as going out for dinner tonight but they've just changed it to tomorrow. So can I stop now and eat again tomorrow or bit really? I've already had lunch!

Ezzza Fri 08-Feb-13 12:17:26

Frannyfeet, I really felt for you reading your post. I also agree with other posters that you succeeded the first week you tried 5:2 and you will again. You had special circumstances recently. Don’t focus on that, focus on the success you had when you were following this WOE and keep going with it.

I have to say that I was really impressed at the efforts you went to not to overeat during your residential course. I really don’t think I could have done that. True, those efforts it didn’t give you the result you wanted on the scales, but it does show you that you have a tremendous amount of determination. Applying that resolve and dedication to your fast days I’m sure you will succeed.

Remember, this WOE isn’t like all of the others, because on your non-fast days you can accept dinner and drinks invitations and because you can fit your fast days around your life. As a result you can really enjoy life while you’re losing the weight.

Whenever I’ve started a diet in the past I’ve always been so desperate to lose as much weight as possible as fast as possible because I knew that soon enough my willpower would give out and I’d give up and the weight would start to go back on again and then some. This WOE feels different because 5 months in my willpower is as high as ever, probably higher actually because of the success I’ve already had and how much I’ve been able to enjoy life while I’m doing it. So now I’m happy to let the weight come off as it comes off… and it is coming off 26.5lbs so far.

You can do it. As others have said, keep posting on here and reading this thread, it’s a great source of encouragement and we want to hear how you’re getting along!

FastFeeder Fri 08-Feb-13 12:21:46

I hesitate to share this link, but it hasn't taken the diet industry long to jump on the 5:2 bandwagon: see this delightful 5:2 hamper of meal replacement items. Bleurgh.

Yes, for only 26.99 you could fill yourself up on (for example): Protein Blend (Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate*), Sweeteners (Maltitol, Sucralose), Humectant (Glycerine), Dark Chocolate Flavoured Coating (13%) (Sweeteners: Isomalt, Sucralose; Non-Hydrogenated Palm and Palm Kernal Oil, Fat Reduced Cocoa Powder, Emulsifiers: Soya Lecithin, E476), Fructo-Oligosaccharide, Stabiliser (Acacia Gum), Peanut Flour, Sunflower Oil, Mineral Blend (Potassium Phosphate, Sodium Chloride, Magnesium Oxide, Iron Pyrophosphate, Copper Gluconate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulphate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite), Inulin, Peanuts, L-Cranitine, Flavourings, Vitamin Blend (Dextrose Monohydrate, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin E-Acetate, Niacinamide, Biotin, Vitamin A-Acetate, Calcium-D-Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Cholecalciferol, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Vitamin B12), Green Tea Extract, Antioxident (Mixed Tocopherols).

Or you could just eat real food a lot more cheaply!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 08-Feb-13 12:24:02

Ah yes literary but I started at m&s size 18 so it's all relative. AND more importantly I can now say I'm a size 12 grin

& I used to be a proper size 6 (ok 20 years ago but still)

Dotty342kids Fri 08-Feb-13 12:24:28

longsunnydays that is brilliant to read and hope you feel suitably proud of yourself! Really great going...

I'm just marking my place, and dropping my to say Franny your post made me a bit teary-eyed, because I understand only too well how you feel. One can feel so utterly desperate and worthless over something like this, even when in all other aspects of life things are by any standard at all a success. Punch on the arm for you, old thing. It's too soon to say (for me) whether this WOL will work but you're most certainly not alone.

*dropping BY.

Incidentally I am not yet face-down in a Tiramisu (although I did just eat about 2oz grated cheddar on my spud!)

SpiralSkies Fri 08-Feb-13 12:41:52

Mmmmm FastFeeder I so wish I'd just had something from that delicious-sounding hamper instead of the leftover Hairy Dieter Sweet 'n' Sour chicken I've just scarfed.

I hate the diet industry, trading on people's desperation. Pah.

BsshBossh Fri 08-Feb-13 12:49:53

Frannyfeet I can see how miserable you are (((hugs))). I don't think you were doing 5:2 correctly and also your calories for the residential week seem quite low - perhaps your body was reluctant to let go of the lbs because it thought you were never going to feed it enough? As swallowed says, today's another day... the residential course is over and you can start again. Start with your TDEE and eat it (please don't go much under) 5 days a week and do your 500 cals on 2 days a week. Start now (or Monday grin).

the diet industry is sick.

wouldn't it be wonderful if this way of eating booted it out of the profit margins.

misscph1973 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:13:47

Hello! I saw the program in August and was blown away. I immediately fasted once for 24 hours, that went well, but researching fasting led me to Paleo, and I was amazed and started that, so the fasting took the back seat while I adjusted to no grains etc. I then started skipping breakfast once a week in December, and it worked well, I didn't gain weight over the festive period.

I have just bough the book as a refresher and I am well into it now, doing my 3rd 24 hour fast day today (2 last week).

I really like it, I am mainly doing it for the health benefits, although I wouldn't mind achieving a smaller bottom ;) I am not looking forward to even smaller boobs (inevitable when I lose weight), I am already an AA and shopping for a bikini is just so depressing! I don't own scales as they are depressing and inaccurate. I doubt that I have lost any weight yet.

So far I have noticed more energy, better mood (less irritable with DCs) and better sense of taste.

And it's saving me money! My DH is also doing it, so effectively we are saving 2 x breakfast + 2 x lunches. It's a real credit crunch diet ;) No need to buy special equipment or special food, just eat less.

BsshBossh Fri 08-Feb-13 13:14:32

longsunnydays thanks for your post, it was a lovely summary of your experience. I should do one too...

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:30:54

Greeneggs Thank you for the new thread. While swimming this morning I wondered what you would call it. grin

Frannyfeet
Slow down and count to ten. And breathe.

You were on a residential course with food included.
So you did not hoover, do laundry, run up and down stairs, walk to the shops, go up the garden.
All the little things that easily burn off a couple of hundred calories a day.
And you have no idea what was actually IN the sauces and stews and puddings so calorie counting on that sort of food is impossible.
Do not try.
When you are at home you succeed.
That makes sense - if you cook from scratch you know what you are having.
And bollocks to all those diet product things.
Reset your relationship with food a bit.
Work out your TDEE (link in the wonderful OP as usual)
and then try to think (roughly) in terms of
500 : TDEE : TDEE : 500 : TDEE : TDEE : splurge
each week.
And remember, the more active you are, the higher your TDEE (my swimming means I'm allowed more wine at weekends).

It will be fine, but you have to get your brain to learn new habits as well as your tummy.

Frannyfeet Fri 08-Feb-13 13:33:55

Thank you all for the replies.....I spent half an hour after posting it sobbing and researching gastric surgery, then I realised that lots of people who'd had it eventually put weight on again.

Then I considered going to my GP, but figured he would take one look at my now blotchy puffy face and tell me I am depressed, which I didn't want.

In the end, I had a long bath, cried a bit more (now have a headache from all the crying) and am catching up on the posts.

I can't figure out who as someone that is considered by my family and friends to be a 'high achiever' is such a failure at achieving the one thing I have consistently wanted since being a child.....not to be fat.

Today has turned into a fast day, purely because ive been to busy blubbing to eat.

Thanks again for the advice.

BsshBossh Fri 08-Feb-13 13:38:06

Yey, onwards and updownwards Franny!

TiP2 it's interesting what you say about TDEE and exercise. If I did no exercise my TDEE would be 1734 cals a day; but because I exercise quite hard for 4-5 days a week my TDEE is 2240. The difference is amazing. Hurrah for exercise as I love to eat grin.

64zoolane Fri 08-Feb-13 13:38:36

Mmmm those diet 'powders' look delicious. I like the fact that you can't just stir them with a spoon and need to buy their special shaker too.

I have been wondering when the dieting industry's backlash against 5:2 will start, haven't you? It is so revolutionarily simple, and it is growing so exponentially - soon companies like WeightWatchers and Slimming World are bound to be affected.

I wonder if we will start seeing articles attempting to discredit Dr Mosley or the scientific underpinnings of fasting. Has anyone come across anything yet?

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:40:04

Franny
Your last post has just crystallised what you need to sort ....
achieving the one thing I have consistently wanted since being a child.....not to be fat

No, you do not want to NOT be something
you have to want to BE something.
You are already successful etc but unhappy in your skin.
Your skin will change when your head tells it to.
You have come to the right place to get chivvied along grin

catsrus Fri 08-Feb-13 13:45:06

AS SaF says Franny - you have seen it works when calorie restriction doesn't. We might not fully know why, but for many of us on here it HAS worked to fast a few days a week when low cal hasn't worked. This is for the long term, finding a WOE that you can stick to. Try another week or two of fasting within the 500 cals and see how you feel.

I'm now on 27lbs lost since august and working on maintenance strategies - but I promise you that was not a nice straight line of the same few pounds a week blush the line wobbled up and down a fair bit but each time it went up again I kept fasting and it slowly, over time, went down grin. This is not a diet that you can 'fail' with - if you stick with it all the evidence is that there are health benefits even if the weight is not coming off as you want it to - keep that in mind as motivation.

congrats to those of you who have cracked your BMI barriers smile I bought a lovely size 14 Jacket in an online sale - fits perfectly - that's my own personal barrier (am top heavy) before this I was an 18.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 08-Feb-13 14:43:24

Can anyone tell me how to do a link to this thread on my phone please. I've just posted a reply to someone on the live web chat with Dr MM & I didn't know how to direct him here with a link blush

Daisy1407 Fri 08-Feb-13 14:51:25

I really love this thread i should be working but this is far to much of a good read! Im currently on an eating day and today ive had cous cous with chicken and snack a jack crisps - however i bought the team in work treats (cakes/sweets and chocolcate) and im dipping in to them too! I dont care as im out tonight with the girls - cannow wait to have a ice cold glass of prosecco! We deserve our treat days guys! Hope you all have a lovely weekend and dont beat yourselves up! Everyone had bad days and good days x

64zoolane you were wondering if anyone had seen any articles trying to discredit DrMM. I havent but I work with a medical Doctor who thinks this is a ridiculous way of eating and 'its not the way to lose weight you know'.
This comes from a man who eats an oxo sized piece of cheese with black coffee for breakfast,an apple for lunch and a' normal' evening meal 5 days of the week to maintain his weight. thats fasting in my book !!grin

ayshigirl Fri 08-Feb-13 15:04:18

Giraffes Eat Pineapples thanks for your words of advice. I can't believe someone else shouted at me on here. Guess what, some of us are new to posting on these forums!

On a cheerier note i wanted to share a delish lunch I just ate:

Miracle noodles
A cube of garlic
Soy sauce and chili sauce
Spinach
A few sprays of olive oile spray
Tossed in an egg.

... feeling fine wink

64zoolane Fri 08-Feb-13 15:08:20

Hi headintheclouds. I wonder if there's a bit of professional envy going on there as well?

I'm almost perversely looking forward to any negative publicity as proof of what we all know: that 'dieting' is a big-bucks industry profiting mostly from women's misery, like I think BsshBossh said further up.

Franny old bean, I'm PMing you, whether you like it or not grin

Peggy69 Fri 08-Feb-13 15:20:14

I've been following this WOE for 4 weeks exactly....in the first week, I lost around 5 lbs, and then the following week, I put on 3 lbs and the following week 1lb. Has anyone else found this? I'm doing the 4:3 version, and eat 550 cals on my fast days and I'm now sticking to 1950 cals on my feed days (on the second week, I did pig out a bit on my feed days, but only over by about 200-300 cals). Along with this, I run about four miles 3 times per week (and don't re-eat the exercise calories). I'm going to stick with it and hope that weight starts to drop off again. I'm 162 pounds and want to get down to 133 pounds.....please help blush

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 15:58:20

Aysigirl
I shouted because I had clearly answered your question twice and you kept reposting it in the hopes of getting a different answer - but there isn't one.
Nothing to do with you being new, just to do with you implying you were being ignored and you were not.

Peggy69
What is your TDEE?
If you are exceeding it by 300 calories, that is 15%
I do 5:2 so it does not interfere with weekends and I never have to fast on two consecutive days.
Why 550 calories?

moonbells Fri 08-Feb-13 15:59:42

Hello people. Here I am, on day1, having so far eaten 360 calories and had about 60 of milk in tea and aiming to eat maybe a cracker later. The widget says I have a TDEE of 1902, and I know I need to lose about 4 stone.

This time I really need to do it. Hoping you can chivvy me if I vanish for a few days. Have had success in the past with WeightWatchers but a decade and a small person has helped it all creep back. Hoping 5/2 works!

Dotty342kids Fri 08-Feb-13 16:03:23

Welcome moonbells! Hope your first day is going really well and that you enjoy guilt free "normal" eating tomorrow grin

Peggy69 Fri 08-Feb-13 16:06:26

My TDEE is 1985, and I've stuck to it this week.
I do 4:3 and my fast days are Monday, Wednesday and Friday - like you, so that I don't have to fast on the weekend. I measure and record everything.
It's just worked out on my fast days that I've eaten 530-550....I can keep it strictly to 500 I suppose, but didn't think 30-50 cals over on my fast days would make be put weight on!!

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 16:15:30

Peggy
Hmmm. OK, I cannot see the flaw in your plan. And you do exercise.
Cogs whirring round in brain.
Mintyy has had huge problems getting weight shifted even though she's 'doing it right' as well.
Will have a think and see what others come up with.

Moonbells
Welcome, and will keep an eye on you grin

Peggy69 Fri 08-Feb-13 16:23:52

Thanks so much grin

kiwigirl42 Fri 08-Feb-13 16:24:28

hi guys. fasting today. just heating up chicken paprika. I seem to eat a lot of tomatoes and onions gussied up with different herbs/ spices with a bit of protein (chicken, ham or bacon) on fast days.

franny just keep on with the fast day. This is a new way of eating, not a diet so its slow but the results will stay with you for life

non fast day and so far have only had a pita with edam and turkey ham. i am drinking that beer now though.

trying to think what to have for dinner and weirdly enough i actually feel like eating something quite healthy shock on the other hand i can't be bothered to cook so takeaway might happen.

would be great if there were healthy takeaways where you could order delicious healthy food at reasonable prices.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 16:42:09

buffs nails and feels UTTERLY vindicated
Newspaper Article
[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2275500/Diet-fizzy-drinks-make-60-MORE-likely-diabetes-regular-fat-versions.html#axzz2KDFc9CXo]
online reference
worldcrunch.com/tech-science/new-study-diet-soda-may-cause-more-diabetes-than-regular-soft-drinks/diabetes-aspartame-insulin-diet-coke-diet-soda/c4s10875/#.URUqsqV1HTo
Actual source
www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-secteurs/grande-consommation/actu/0202552496044-boire-light-exposerait-a-un-risque-accru-de-diabete-536178.php
(translates nicely into English)

no more diet fizzy drinks if you want a healthy insulin system

TalkinPeace2 Fri 08-Feb-13 16:42:59

swallowedafly
Chicken shish kebab with extra salad and no mayo sauce ....

Itsaboatjack Fri 08-Feb-13 17:06:06

Firstly well done to Betsy and all other losers; and welcome newcomers smile

Franny I hope you are feeling better now, I've nothing to add really to all the good advice you've been given. I'm with you though on having do all the other diets, I lost 4st 7 yrs ago on lighter life, yet here I am again smile

I am 3 weeks in now though and very confident that I will be able to happily wear a bikini come my summer holiday.

Also wanted to say to those that struggle to find the time (or indeed inclination) to exercise regularly. I was browsing the 'everything must go' stock in hmv yesterday and found a couple of DVDs in a range called 'the 10 minute solution', each one has 5 10 min routines. I did one this morning and it was pretty good, I feel like I have exercised, heart rate up and sweating but don't feel like I have been tortured ala Jillian Michaels. Just thought I'd share.

BsshBossh Fri 08-Feb-13 17:07:41

swallowed I am so f**king happy you're drinking that beer finally grin

ErikNorseman Fri 08-Feb-13 17:08:31

Marking place!

don't tell anyone but i'm on my second now bssh grin

talkin that would have been a wise order - i've gone for indian though - there's a 30% off offer on tonight and i couldn't resist. sag aloo, prawn rice, a garlic prawn dish and egg naan - i will endeavour to have a small portion and save plenty for tomorrow.

but hey no chocolate or ice cream on the cards so that's something.

have always hated diet drinks - when i try them they make my stomach feel awful - taste like antifreeze to me. if you're going to have a fizzy drink have a full fat one and just make sure it's rare imo.

Dotty342kids Fri 08-Feb-13 17:44:57

so, it's 5.45 now and food is in sight (fast day)! Thank goodness for that! I would happily have chewed off my own arm earlier this afternoon (think early afternoons are the worst time for me) despite a boiled egg and several lovely asparagus spears but now that I know food is imminent (well two hrs away) I'm feeling more sane.

On a slightly different note, I've got my period this week which is normally accompanied by a three day headache. Did first fast on Monday, period arrived Wednesday. Woke up this morning with start of a headache but by lunchtime it had gone of it's own accord which NEVER happens usually. I generally drink quite a lot of water anyway but wonder if the extra I'm drinking on fast days is helping my body to keep more topped up, thereby avoiding the dehydration which often causes headaches...

could be dotty. i also heard from a lady who does colonic irrigation that your period is a natural time of detox - a good time to have a colonic or an enema or whatever as it is in the mode of releasing stuff already. it's the liver that deals with toxins and the liver that does a lot of the work of dealing with the excessive amounts of food we have to process - so could be a sign of your liver being better able to cope.

sounds random i know and nothing to back it up really but??

Itsaboatjack Fri 08-Feb-13 17:58:28

swallowed it's not your second beer - remember the first one was for me smile and have a little bit extra prawn curry for me too that sounds yum.

will do itsa smile always happy to help. selfless is my middle name.

Snowkey Fri 08-Feb-13 18:22:34

Just marking my place, and expressing thanks again to Green eggs for starting another thread.
Eating day for me - haven't eaten much today though as I'm out tonight and didn't want to overindulge.

For those concerned with the lack of movement on their scales in the medium term - longer than a week or two, too long to be explained by TOM, ovulation, carb loading or muscle repair, there is another theory for your lack of progress - your fat cells have emptied themselves of fat but have replaced the fat with water.
Interestingly this link goes some way to try and explain why people who have stalled lose weight following a blow out on their diet - this situation has happened to me in the past. Seems a bit rude of the fat cells to fill with water but some of them are just damned determined to hang around as long as they can. I've read that this temporary effect can last up to six months in some people....but they do eventually give up the water, so don't give up folks if you aren't losing, just know that if you are sticking to the rules you will see the benefit but you might just have to wait a little longer for your victory dance.

BetsyVanBell Fri 08-Feb-13 19:01:09

Have successfully managed my post-fast day - was very conscious that I must not stuff my face with carbs as it has previously made me feel dizzy & weird, and indeed I did not. smile A lesson learned and paid attention too, very unusual for me when it comes to food. 5:2 has given me a measure of control, which is very exciting (for me anyway!).

Made a thai-esque prawn & spring greens stir fry for dinner, if I get round to it I'll MFP the ingredients and check the calorie rating - I reckon not more that 250 for a portion. However, this is an eating day for me so when I get hungry in at 8ish I can damn well have a yogurt, maybe even with some granola grin!

BetsyVanBell Fri 08-Feb-13 19:13:20

Thank you Itsa! I'd better make sure not to weigh myself until after my next fast day though... chances of scales going up at the weekend are high!

I'm not a fizzy drink fan, diet or otherwise, unless I'm on holiday and then I'd always choose the sugary option. The only time I ever fancied a diet coke was after a heavy night on the tiles with an early morning start in the office, and frankly if it's a hangover talking it's usually a bad idea wink. Luckily I don't have to do office stuff now and frankly rarely have a night on the tiles. Actually, I don't know if it's a by-product of healthy living/diet, having kids and/or getting older, but I really can't drink much at all anymore without severe consequences.

Scratch the granola, I'm in the mood for cheese now, and it's guilt-free so I will grin.

Happy Friday everyone!

drmummmsy Fri 08-Feb-13 19:39:47

omg, i made it to 10,30 this morning from 10pm on wed night on only 600 calories... and guess what? nothing bad happened! i didn't implode or die from the hunger!

instead at night I read the kindle, listened to book at bedtime and dozed off

i am now relishing a glass of white, packet of ready salted and looking forward to m&s chinese meal deal

i've lost 3lbs since last week, which is due to post-menstruality, a dose of sodium picosulfate a laxative (v. unhealthy attitude, i know!) on a sunday night, and living on 1200 calories, working off 200-500 per day.... sooo we'll see how it goes

BsshBossh Fri 08-Feb-13 19:45:04

I think I'm going to go back to monthly weigh-ins. It's what I did all last year and made me less anxious about weekly losses and gains.

frenchfancy Fri 08-Feb-13 20:07:38

Marking my place and sending a big hug to franny. You obviously have good will.power, but you need to get your self estime up to the same level. Doing any sort of diet on a residential course shows a lot of control-well done you.

Rember 5:2 is different. It is not lighterife. You will not lose a stone in 2 weeks. But as you have found out lighterlife is not sustainable -this is. I have NEVER stuck to a diet for more than a month. But I have been on 5:2 since Sept and it doesn't feel like a trial. I am finally a normal BMI and I know I can stay that way forever.

Take each day at a time, try not to weigh for a couple of weeks, and remember life is for living not crying. We are here if you need to talk.

i think the Daily Fail are trying to get in on the act! ive just seen a cosy ad on TV about a supplement in their toiletnewspaper about the amazing new 2 day diet wink

MWOW1 Fri 08-Feb-13 21:14:40

HI FRANNY read your post and can imagine your frustration. Could it be that you didnt eat enough over the week and your metabolism dropped? Could it be bloating from fluids - happens to us all at certain time of the month? It sounds like you have a busy lifestyle - kids work etc - when I have been on residential courses in the past I have been a lot less active, sitting in lectures etc , maybe another contributing factor?

Dont lose heart, put this week behind you and begin afresh on Monday and keep reading this site for inspiration and, more importantly, a laugh grin

Madeyemoodysmum Fri 08-Feb-13 21:23:41

I just saw the daily failed too! Cheeky wotsits

needtaloseit Fri 08-Feb-13 22:11:32

Hi all been reading about this diet for a while now, and gona start it... It seems to be something that would really help me not only in losing weight but also to stop overeating and emotional eating... Finding it hard to stick to any other weight loss programme so gona start Monday. You have all done so well, hope I find it ok and fight through the first few days fasting as it seems to be the hardest

stickygingerbread Fri 08-Feb-13 22:12:51

64zoolane, long ago on Thread 11 you asked 'Has anyone got a link to what constitutes a healthy, low-risk waist measure, if such a thing exists?'

short article
waist to height ratio better than bmi

a waist to height ratio calculator selected at random

hth

stickygingerbread Fri 08-Feb-13 22:34:23

I'd love to see people weigh less often. It seems to be so stressful. I know when I weigh it becomes obsessive in a very mentally unhelpful way. There's a lot to be said for concentrating on working out the lifestyle and nutrition to work for your best health and support, and only weighing very occasionally.

On another thought, I would like to share a little about my approach. Since getting diagnosed with pcos, a hormonal imbalance that is aggravated (seems to be inherited but some say caused) by high insulin levels (which must be fairly chronic, I suppose, to have an ongoing imbalance) - I stopped into the library and took out a stack of books about pcos, insulin and diet. The subjects covered were eating with awareness of how foods impact your blood sugar, measured either by glycemic index or by glycemic load (which apparently takes into account portion size of the food in a way the index does not?).

Based solely on a bunch of books and web links and no personal professional expertise (disclaimer), my understanding is that when your insulin levels are high your body is much more inclined to store calories as fat. Insulin is great at what it does, but our modern diet throws things akilter by abusing the system. Thus when you are trying to lose weight, but you are simultaneously urging your insulin levels higher - you are setting your body to work against itself.

Some people have very effective processing insulin systems, and others have wonky systems (like those with pcos or metabolic syndrome). If you are gaining around the middle, it is a symptom of some degree of high insulin. But I think our modern diet challenges/abuses everyone's insulin regulatory system to some degree and we would stand a better chance of being kinder and wiser to ourselves and our bodies if we knew what was going on.

Some other items I have recently read and found interesting/ am following:
-grains, potatoes, rice -the refined carbs - spike insulin. they enter into the blood stream quickly and drive it right up.
-cortisol also drives insulin higher. Cortisol is naturally highest in the morning and lowest in the evening. So, I reason, the afternoon to evening is the time to drink a caffeinated beverage or eat some carbs. But the morning is not really a good time.
-eating protein and fat before eating a refined carb can mitigate its impact by slowing entry to the bloodstream. So dessert is the time to enjoy dessert.
- vinegar apparently partially mitigates refined carbs effect so putting it on chips is the right idea.

So my approach to fasting is to try to eat to treat my insulin kindly on fast days and eating days too.

Because I love to bake I can't really imagine going full paleo, but doubtless there is a lot to be said for incorporating paleo ways of eating to some degree into complement with fasting. I can't imagine giving up coffee fully either, but am trying to accommodate it into my life by having it on eating days in the afternoon once or twice a week, becoming a treat. But I am finding you can eat well with a low insulin approach and miss bread much less than I thought I would. Though I did have a wedge of naan at lunch today after the rest of the food. It will have to be occasional though.

The reason I wanted to do adf and 4:3 and/or 5:2 in the future is also for its good effects on insulin regulation.

Have to run but hopefully plan to post some links related to this approach later in the weekend.

virginposter Fri 08-Feb-13 22:50:21

To franny and any others who are feeling despondent about their success so far. Do not give in to the old you, keep going and soon the new you will emerge. It happened to me. Weight loss last year and January: 23lb and gone from a M&S size 14 to M&S size 10 (as of today new jeans - yay) grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 08-Feb-13 22:53:25

Thank you for the link snowkey that made very interesting reading.

I was having a semi fast day today but come 7pm I was feeling quite rough (TOM) & I thought I couldn't cope with not eating properly tonight & to cut myself some slack. I just love this WOE as I just couldn't really do that on another diet without throwing the towel in. Which is evidence why this isn't a diet.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 08-Feb-13 22:54:14

Well done vp

i have to saystiickygingerbread that I now feel peed off. Ive considered myself overweight for a few years and have always had a big waist. im 5 ft 3, weight 11 st and waist 37" .the random calculater says that Im gossly obese which is a bit of a bummer! i know im not sleek/ svelte but Grossly obese !! i honestly believe that when I do shift some of this lard I currently carry I'll still have a big waist .. ill keep you all posted.

that should read grossly obese

i'm pretty offended by that calculator because it defines a waist ratio as healthy and 'attractive'. attractive? feck off. supposed to be about health not making judgments about a woman's attractiveness.

wildwater Sat 09-Feb-13 01:53:18

Just checking in...now into 2nd month of 5:2, weight loss slowing down but then it had to - would be crazy to keep losing at initial rate! What I am most happy about is how much better I feel in every way: faster, happier, healthier. I think not eating sugar (apart from in odd glass of red wine) has made a huge difference. Have had the odd blow-out (a bowl of peanuts this morning was wonderfully crunchy & delicious!) but mostly I'm making healthy choices and really do not feel like bingeing. Guess it helps that my partner is also following this WOE as enthusiastically as myself...I know how lucky I am!

GiraffesEatPineapples Sat 09-Feb-13 02:10:19

Jumpingjackhash the general consensus on here is that losing weight before trying to conceive is a good idea but at 8 12 you are probably a healthy weight already? Maybe you could fast one day a week instead of 2 and concentrate on 'optimum nutrition' (there are lots of books on eating well in pg and excercise the rest of the week. I find it really hard to eat healthily in general when pg so if you could get ahead of the game by reducing alcohol or cutting out white processed stuff and sugar before getting pg that might be an advantage. Another option to 6:1 might be alternating between 900 and 2300 cals.

morning all smile

well despite eating takeaway and drinking beer i didn't go mad (for me) and i feel like making today another fast day.

this will be my first attempt at a at home rather than busy at work fast day. i figure if i can get one done and out of the way now and do one on tuesday when i have a training day i won't have to worry about the rest of half term week. thinking easier to do it now than whittle about what day i will manage to do it.

the leftover indian food in the fridge will save till tomorrow and be something to look forward to. i may try and and go through to an evening meal and make it a substantial one - like most of my calories and to not eat any more after that.

off to work out a meal of about 380cals (i need cals for milk throughout the day and a little left over just in case i need to eat an egg before bed). oddly 380 is actually sounding like quite a lot for a meal now grin

Madeyemoodysmum Sat 09-Feb-13 07:35:37

I'm not happy with that calculator either. I've lost 11lb already. I only have 5lb to get to within my normal range BMI and it's called me Massively overweight or some similar insult-nice! Motivating (not)

Boby shape must be taken into account. Not everyone is an hourglass or pearshapec Some of us are boyish shaped eith a bigger waist and slim hips and it's normal to be so Grrrrr

frenchfancy Sat 09-Feb-13 07:47:43

I must admit I quite like it. If I put my waist measurement in when I started 5:2 then it classes me as seriously overweight. I have now lost 6" off my waist and am classed as slender and healthy smile I've not been called slender for many years.

i come out as in the overweight category - i don't mind being called overweight if i'm overweight but having it contrasted to 'attractive' i don't like. attractiveness is not a waist measurement and i don't think they should be using women's manufactured obsession with being attractive v insecurity on a tool like that. note on the men's one they call it 'attractive weight' on the women's just 'attractive'.

for those finding their description offensive use it as motivation to change it as obesity is a health risk - but don't use it to define your worth or your attractiveness. we are more than numbers thankfully!

Itsaboatjack Sat 09-Feb-13 08:30:55

Yes the healthy and 'attractive' is a strange thing to call it.

It says though that I only have to lose 1 inch before I am in that range. On the bmi chart I need to lose 13lbs before I am in healthy zone. I don't know if I am measuring in the right place though, I measured at my narrowest point but that is about 3 inches above my belly button. Should I be measuring at my belly button?

Madeyemoodysmum Sat 09-Feb-13 08:39:05

It's a boat jack- I measure at belly button but if I measured above I would be a few inches lower 33 opposed to 35! I don't know whats correct either.
Anyone know the right place to measure?

BetsyVanBell Sat 09-Feb-13 09:17:44

madeye I would always choose the smallest point! A medical professional measuring me last year did the same.

and where should the hip measurement be taken?

BetsyVanBell Sat 09-Feb-13 09:58:23

Hip measurement should be taken round the fattest fullest part of your hips and bum.

Snowkey Sat 09-Feb-13 10:03:34

Calculator says I am extremely slim - I wish! I'm an hourglass, so while my waist may be small the rest of me is not. Best to use your eyes.

parrotsandcarsnips Sat 09-Feb-13 10:04:17

i agree with weighing self once a week at the most.
dh has reported varying weight loss/gain over the past 3 weeks and he was overindulging when scales said he had lost lbs and was motivated when they gained lbs.
The weigh in will be once a week now

ok measuring at those points i am at the lower end of healthy, normal, attractive and only 1 off of slender when i'm actually overweight both my bmi and by my knowledge of my own body.

not one to attach too much meaning to imo. i've read elsewhere that the idea of the round the middle bit has been disproved and it's actually just being overweight that is the danger wherever your body happens to store that fat.

npg1 Sat 09-Feb-13 10:32:42

Morning everyone, can I join please. I was going to start healthy eating next week but have been reading about this and it seems a good idea.

Im a little confused what you can actually eat on a non fasting day? Usual foods? How many caleries is that ment to total for the day? I did the calculator but dont understand!

BMR 1350
TDEE 1858

Then on the fasting days, I was thinking more cereal and soups, would that work?

I do get shaky and dizzy if I dont eat so im a bit worried on the fasting days.

Many thanks

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 09-Feb-13 10:40:36

npg I'm a great lover of cereal (seriously, I have/had a Seinfeld-like addiction to it, and if I didn't have a family to feed I'd regularly have it for dinner) but I really wouldn't have it on a fast day. It will spark your appetite like nobody's business. Try an egg, and veg. Soups are perfect.

(btw, you can certainly try cereal, maybe porridge, I think one or two people here do that. Just for myself, personally, I wouldn't be able to deal)

I put off eating as long as possible and have an early dinner. That way, I have all my calories in one go, and don't feel hungry going to bed.

The first few fast days are tough but they get much easier. I think my reaction to not eating was more habit than physical need for food.

Non fasting days is just normal foods, eating around your TDEE.

Good luck, and welcome to the thread smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 09-Feb-13 10:41:38

also, I'm not even considering checking that calculator. grin Since having a baby my stomach pokes out a bit so I really don't want to know how unattractive that thing thinks I am!

npg1 Sat 09-Feb-13 10:48:52

Thank you greeneggs. I will tr the egg and veg then! On normal days how many calaries are we meant to eat? Think I will find fasting day hard too but like you said, its more of a habit!

Im guessing no wine!!!!!!????

npg if you want to count calories on non fast days then aim to eat around your tdee which for you is 1858.

some do calorie count on non fast days - others like me don't (so far) as one of the blessings of this woe imo is not having to. at the end of the day we all know when we've had a real pig out or when we've eaten pretty well. personally i'd try without the calorie counting for a week (except on fast days) and see what results you get. if you don't need to calorie count then why bother? calorie counting is no way to live ongoingly every day of your life imo. if you find you need to whilst you learn how much is enough food then do.

been with ds to get our hair cut - that's killed an hour of a fast day. it is harder when you're doing it with a little person nagging on about food every 5 minutes. yes you can have some cereal, yes you can have some fruit. here is a snack. now wait till lunchtime. i am being forced into contact with food far more than i want and knowing my son it will not stop!!!! grin ha! as i typed that he has come up the stairs chanting, 'hungry! hungry! hungry!' cheers ds you are really helping wink

Madeyemoodysmum Sat 09-Feb-13 12:16:32

Green eggs- that post made me snort my coffee in public smile

ThinkICan Sat 09-Feb-13 12:54:12

No calculator for me either. The stomach's the problem - in more ways than one!

ever2optimistic Sat 09-Feb-13 13:20:22

I've done this about 4 weeks now and although not lost much on scales (3lb & 2% of body fat) I feel much better and lighter and my jeans fit so much better. Yesterday I managed to persuade DH to do his first fast day along with me, and he managed fine. Feeling positive as I've been encouraging him to try to shift his excess 10-15lb for some time. DD who is coming up 14 is trying a modified 6:1 version. I know that children and adolescents are not supposed to fast, but many teens observe Ramadan and don't come to any harm. She takes in more than 500 kcal on her 'fast' day anyway.

Laska42 Sat 09-Feb-13 15:19:48

marking place

ok finding fasting hard today but pushing onwards. broke my fast about half an hour ago with 100g of white fish steamed in water and some wilted spinach. less than 100cals all in. have used 75cals on skimmed milk in hot drinks. have 325cals left playing it safe.

was going to hold out and have nearly all my cals in one go but just got really hungry and like i wanted to give in. need to split them today. later i'll make a two egg spinach omelette and some turkey ham and still have enough spare for a slim a soup later if i'm hungry. think it might have to be a night where i knock myself out night nurse or something but i will get through it.

think it's the being at home and having to keep serving meals and snacks to ds that's made it harder. it's also the first time i've fasted without a clear 2 day gap between fasts so i don't know if that has affected it.

going to make some fresh lemon and ginger tea now. gives me something to sip and might even help shift this endless cold.

am i the only one fasting today? if so make sure you eat and drink for me too and enjoy your food smile

Newlook Sat 09-Feb-13 15:29:03

I have just watched the Horizon programme via the link above. Talk about persuasive and motivating! up until now, I had only read a Radio Times article that my Mum gave to me. I encourage anyone who hasn't watched it to make time to do so; will be reading the book too which is the first book I've bought for my Kindle smile - Monday first fast day approaching....! hope everyone having a positive day. If not, I guess remember this is a journey, a way of life and some days/experiences will be better than others so be kind to yourselves (mind you, I'm only in get ready mode and haven't started yet, so what do I know?! wink

Newlook Sat 09-Feb-13 15:42:55

Thanks swallowedafly I will have a herbal tea too - some lurking in my cupboard somewhere - might as well explore new options in preparation. Lemon and ginger sounds lovely. I like camomile in the evening. Do you know if stock - like bisto - is recommended or is it too full of salt for the fast days?

BetsyVanBell Sat 09-Feb-13 16:11:04

Swallowed Sorry to hear it's a tough one - I'll be trying the same while no doubt constantly feeding the gannets that are my children on Monday.

Newlook lots of people drink stock or miso soup on fast days.

I made the Claudia Roden Orange Cake today - it may not have butter or flour in but it certainly ain't a fast day food! I drizzled a syrup over it made from honey, lemon juice, a little lemon & grapefruit zest and a splash of calvados - should have been cointreau but didn't have any to hand. Result: Incredibly moist and tasty, not a cakey-cake as it's so eggy (in texture not taste) though I may have slightly undercooked it. I sprinkled flaked almonds over the top of the mixture before cooking. Apologies to the fasters for this paragraph!

Itsaboatjack Sat 09-Feb-13 16:30:06

It's amazing how much my attitude to hunger has changed in just a few weeks.

Someone called in sick to work today so I've had to work later and it was too busy to stop for lunch. Now I have to go and collect my dd1 from a trip so no time to eat, I am taking her to her god mothers for dinner so won't get to eat till nearly 7. Whilst I am hungry it's not bothering me at all as I know it will pass and I will get food eventually. A few weeks back I'd have been 'starving' and ended up grabbing some rubbish on the go.

needtaloseit Sat 09-Feb-13 16:46:22

Thats what I want to change my way of thinking around food, I think that is what I have always struggled with. Before I had my two wee women I had been down to 9 stone, but always ate overload till I was sick at weekends as felt had to eat... only time I allowed myself a treat so went completely crazy...
So this will help me lose the two stone currently at 11 stone 12 pounds and need something I can stick with and stay at forever...

U are all inspirations... do any of you have slim fast products on fast days and did you go for AFD first and then onto the 5:2???

FastFeeder Sat 09-Feb-13 17:08:51

Hadn't been planning to fast today, but was up early and didn't feel like having breakfast, so I didn't. And I've been shovelling snow for about an hour and a half on that empty stomach, so I think that will have burned off yesterday's comfort food and made up for the fact that I just sat with a book in front of the fire most of the day while the snow piled up!

I really enjoy the flexibility of this way of eating: once you're in tune with your appetite you can just decide to eat or not eat to suit yourself. An apple and a slice of cheese will be enough for my lunch and then I'll probably have a regular meal with the family for supper. (Planning to make Quiche Lorraine.)

Tomorrow I'm going to serve crispy duck to celebrate Chinese New Year. That definitely isn't going to be a fasting day. Hurrah for 5:2! grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 09-Feb-13 17:12:19

needtoloseit If I recall correctly, Slim Fast products are quite high in calories. I might be wrong, it's been a while. Honestly, I just stick to real foods (so, not low-cal or low-fat), just smaller portions. Fasting days are mostly protein and veg/ veg soup. Those give you the most bang for your calorie buck, and if you leave it until late in the day to eat, you won't be going to bed hungry.

Itsaboatjack I agree. I don't even think of the feeling as hunger now. I imagine feeling the need to fix the "hungry" feeling immediately is how I ended up overweight to begin with!

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 09-Feb-13 17:19:18

I'm off super early tomorrow morning (6:45am flight, with a toddler, what was I thinking confused. Oh, I know: sunshine and warmth, that's what!) on holiday, but shall return in a week. You'll barely know I'm gone.

FWIW, since I know we've got newer folks on the threads: yes, I'll carry on with 5:2, but probably modified. Over Christmas holidays I did 6:1 and managed quite well, gained a pound over the two weeks but that was eating everything I wanted on my non-fast days. For my holiday, I might do 6:1 or I might just have a couple of days where I only eat dinner. I won't worry about it too much. But that's what's so nice about this- I'm not going to feel as if I'm completely undoing everything I've worked for over the last several months.

Anyway, see you all in a week. smile

virginposter Sat 09-Feb-13 17:31:08

There is a very interesting and positive article at the Daily Mail online written by Jenni Murray, talking about her breast cancer and how she has now found the new '2 day' diet devised by the doctors who did the Genesis research
at the purpose-built Breast Centre at the University Hospital of South Manchester. It's very similar to Dr MM's 5:2 but with no calorie counting. As has already been posted on this thread, fasting has been proven to aid in the prevention of breast cancer.

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have a lovely time green

i'm afraid i quit about an hour ago. i just felt persistently more and more sick and ratty and off until i decided to give in and eat. ironically i still feel sick and acidy and off so? maybe just not very well. have a cold i can't shake and a lot of sinus pain.

attempting not to feel defeated and flat. it wasn't meant to be a fast day anyway really and no one died.

oh and also attempting to not think oh well i've had some leftover curry and a beer now so might as well stuff my face silly for the rest of the day hmm

BetsyVanBell Sat 09-Feb-13 17:38:45

Swallowed BUT you still did x number of hours without food which still has it's benefits - a mini fast smile.

BetsyVanBell Sat 09-Feb-13 17:39:52

Happy hols GreenEggs, soak up some sunshine for us please smile.

Prettymaidsallinarow Sat 09-Feb-13 17:42:33

Hi everyone just dropping in. 11weeks done and 8 lb off woohoo!!

There are a few people talking about exercise Dvd's on the maintenance thread so thought I Would mention my current faves on here. 30 day shred is always a good one to fall back on and Ripped in 30 also by Jillian Michaels is good too. For a longer workout Davina's new one Davina Intense is excellent.

BsshBossh Sat 09-Feb-13 18:26:01

Happy holidays GreenEggs.

Itsaboatjack totally agree about hunger. I really like Paul McKenna's eating principles - one of which is eat only when hungry and stop eating when satisfied. But I could never do this in practice because a) I wasn't comfortable with hunger and b) I didn't recognise true, physical hunger. It's taken fasting to get me to understand these two things. Even on non-fast days now I often skip food if I'm not hungry for it.

Prettymaidsallinarow Sat 09-Feb-13 18:57:32

Hey Greeneggs have a fab holiday xx

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 09-Feb-13 18:57:52

swallowed we all have fast days like that & I hope you feel better soon.

greeneggs have a great holiday.

MrTiP Sat 09-Feb-13 19:24:51

That calculator says that herself is "slender and healthy" - better get her another drink while she cannot post on here wink

BsshBossh Sat 09-Feb-13 19:26:43

Welcome Mr TiP grin As you're fasting too (?) hope you can post here too.

MrTiP Sat 09-Feb-13 19:31:05

I'm allergic to scales - but have had to punch new holes in my belt since we started 5:2 in September .....

Trying2bMindful Sat 09-Feb-13 21:12:37

Following with interest, well.... More akin to lurking until I take the plunge & try this WOL. grin

notapizzaeater Sat 09-Feb-13 21:14:07

Oooh can I join you ... Saw the programme lat year and played with other diets since. Woke up ths morning and just thought let's do it ! Obviously nothing in the house suitable till I shop tomorrow so I've had about 3 litres of peppermint tea/ black coffee, 2 boiled eggs, vegetable cup a sop, (bath to distract me !!!!) then 2 whole grain Ryvitas (lurking at back of cupboard must be 12 months old smile and some cheese spread so I reckon just under 500 cals, just having my last 1/2 litre peppermint tea.

I don't do breakfast (well I do but apparently 3 cups of black coffee don't count !!) do I need to eat in the morning or can I keep going till lunchtime (as I normally would ??)

cardiffmummy Sat 09-Feb-13 21:30:11

Hi notapizzaeater and welcome! Well done on your first fast! Tomorrow you should just eat as normal so no obligation to eat breakfast!

MonthlyNeedsToTakeHerTime Sat 09-Feb-13 23:42:47

Managed to convert my friend after me doing this for only one week. also found that popcorn is awesome on a fast day. I had a bag from graze and came in at 95calories and was loads.
poor delivery driver must have thought they'd stuffed up the order with 20 tubs of vegetable soup and cup a soups ready for fast days!

Hello

I am starting the 4:3 tomorrow as I really need to kick start things. DH is doing 5:2. Tomorrow is our first fast day and I am oddly looking forward to it. AM doing a menu plan for my fast days and shopping today so I don't end up having to head to the supermarket on a hungry stomach!

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 09:52:40

blueberry Welcome! Great to hear you've got a buddy - I'm just convincing my OH to got for it smile. I often end up shopping on fast days but actually it's fine as you can't have any of it so there's no point buying the goodies! What's your plan? Most people find it easiest to wait as late a possible to eat as breakfast seems to 'unlock' hunger for the day.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 09:54:42

Monthly I love that you converted someone after a week! I think once people see that you don't actually faint and expire and appear to be completely normal they realise there's nothing to fear!

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 09:59:20

Hello to notapizza and Trying too! Well done on your first fast day and Trying what's stopping you? Just try it tomorrow and see how you get on - skip breakfast and see how long you can go, then have some soup...

Don't forget to keep hydrated fasters - pots and pots of herbal tea are the way I do it!

Fasting tomorrow and I'm going to need it - all you can eat Chinese buffet today scaredface

mangohedgehog Sun 10-Feb-13 10:11:54

I have been wanting to do this for weeks but have had back-to-back colds, which have finally cleared - so today is my first proper fast day, woohoo!

I am planning to have liquids until dinner if I can. So far I've just had two cups of black tea. The plan is:

- Make up a big bottle of green juice with kale, cucumber, broccoli, celery, carrot and just enough bits of apple/orange to make it taste ok

- Take it with me today (have day trip planned with the DDs) and have it for lunch / whenever I am really hungry. I'll try to hold off it until I'm really desperate

- Also bring out a bottle of water to sip all day

- Tonight, have a big plate of scrambled tofu and veggies

So there! I am not quite sure how to measure the calories in the juice but I am guesstimating that this lot is probably around 500.

So far I'm feeling very good and energetic but it's only just gone 10am! Yesterday was a massive carb fest so I'm really looking forward to giving my digestion a break.

Lyrasilvertongued Sun 10-Feb-13 10:24:09

Hi, I'm keen to give this a go. Can anyone advise best way to split the 2 fasting days- eg if I did today and tomorrow to get started is that too much altogether? Also, was thinking boiled eggs and soup for bfast/lunch, anyone good tips for v low cal dinners? Really hoping to shift some weight quickly for a boost, first time in my life I've been size 20/22 and hating how I look just now!!

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 10:28:17

mangohedgehog I think you might be over-estimating the calories in that green juice - MFP says that 250ml of "mean green juice" - yours sounds similar - is only 100 calories so you might have have room for a couple of boiled eggs or a big bowl of soup later. Good luck! You'll love it smile.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 10:30:09

mango Oops, just re-read your post - you've got a great dinner planned smile

Lyra Lots of people leave 2 day gaps between fasts but try things out and see what works best for you. Good luck.

mangohedgehog Sun 10-Feb-13 10:33:49

Oh brilliant, thanks for looking that up! I have just made it and it comes out at just over 500ml so I guess that's around 200 cal then. Hopefully it will do me until (early) dinner anyway.

thanks Betsy!

Breadandwine Sun 10-Feb-13 11:16:57

Way to go, folks! Lots of energy on the thread this morn! smile

Welcome to all the new fasters - you've come to the right place.

If you've got time in your busy lives I strongly recommend you read the OP and the Tips and Links thread (where most of the research resides).

Good luck to you all!

Just heard from Piebaldrider, who's been missing on these threads for a while (one of our most inspirational losers), that she promises to post sometime today.

Cheers, B&S

Breadandwine Sun 10-Feb-13 11:25:27

B&S? Who he? grin

B&W, of course!

morning all - welcome to newcomers smile

i surprised myself last night by buying ice cream and doing my usual of into bed with tub and spoon and something to watch on the laptop only to find after a few spoons i didn't really want it and went and put it back in the freezer shock

so yesterday was a bit of a failure as a fast day but none the less ended up on a positive. i haven't returned ice cream to the freezer in a very long time and it has been those late night binges on sugary stuff that have led to my weight gain.

fingers crossed things are changing.

have accepted i will just do my fast on tuesday when i'm in work and will see if i can do another during this half term constantly feeding child period. if not then it's not the end of the world it's just one week less effective and in the interim i can just focus on not going mad with food.

reminding myself that this is a long term endeavor not a fast fix.

BsshBossh Sun 10-Feb-13 11:41:23

So wonderful to be able to eat pizza and Chelsea buns without guilt (a sample from my - non-fasting - weekend eating) grin. don't worry though, it's not all this unhealthy, lots of veggies and salads too

BsshBossh Sun 10-Feb-13 11:45:12

Well done swallowed. I'm finding that even though I'm still enjoying cake, chocolate, crisps etc, I'm definitely no longer craving it. I think this is because a) I know it's not banned, that I can eat it if I want and b) my tastebuds are changing - fasting is making me more sensitive to heavy, cloying foods and I'm preferring cleaner, lighter tastes.

Dotty342kids Sun 10-Feb-13 11:52:31

In terms of recipes I find anything based around chicken / fish with chickpeas / tinned tomatoes with a great combination of spices / flavourings will usually come in under 500 calories for dinner! So, if you rummage round the bbcgoodfood website you should find a fair few things.
This week's fast day dinners will be: Nigella's lentil / squash curry - really yummy and dead easy to make. Then the other one is a chicken / harissa / roasted squash bake. Yum.

ButteryPeanuts Sun 10-Feb-13 11:53:03

After 8 fast's I have to started to notice getting fuller quicker and staying full longer. Yesterday I didn't eat anything substantial until 3 o'clock just because I wasn't hungry. Although when I did eat my hunger switch clicked on and I ate a tad little too much than I should have in the evening. Felt really uncomfortable last night when trying to sleep so that'll be a lesson learnt. I just need to listen to my body -when it tells me i'm full, I need to stop ruddy eating!

Today is a fast day so hopefully I can right the wrong of yesterday. Going to see how long I can go without eating today since I can't do that during the week.

I was sceptical at the beginning that I wouldn't be able to not go crazy on my non-fast days but i'm slowly coming round to the fact that I will eventually not want to eat myself silly.
Really enjoying this way of eating and hopefully I'll be able to stick to it for the foreseeable future!

TyrannosaurusBex Sun 10-Feb-13 12:34:13

Bssh, yy to taste buds changing. Yesterday (splurge day) I ate one McCoys crisp, nibbled a pie and then left both of them - they just didn't taste nice to me!

Same cannot be said of freshly baked bread, cheese and pickle, M&S giant chocolate raisins or Nigella's choc chip cookies, however...

My top tip for fast days (of which today is one) is Big Tom tomato juice. Really thick and spicy, makes me feel like I've eaten loads, tastes like a pizza in a glass and all for 30 cals.

chipmonkey Sun 10-Feb-13 12:47:29

weekly weigh in, I have lost 5lb! I was really surprised as on my non-fast days, I didn't really try to stay within TDEE and actually had a chicken kebab on Friday night and a lot of wine and party food last night! I could live like this!

Breadandwine Sun 10-Feb-13 13:49:27

Hi swallowed good move with ice cream.

It sounds like you're moving towards gaining control over what you eat - and if you go back through these threads 'control' is a word that comes up again and again.

For the first time in my life, I'm in complete control over my weight!

Not quite in complete control of what I eat - but if I do eat half a bar of chocolate, or too much ice cream, I can instantly rectify it by throwing in another 'mini-fast' the next day. smile

Good luck with the rest of half term - perhaps you might like to occupy yourself and the DCs with some fun breadmaking?

Breadmaking with children.

notapizzaeater Sun 10-Feb-13 14:02:28

I had my 3 cups of black coffee for breakfast as I normally do. Had a grilled bacon sandwich at 1 for dinner and having home made beef stew for tea, ds is coeliac so no dumplings etc and has loads of veg so quite healthy. Bought a couple of sachets of diet Horlicks today (iirc 50 cals each) for fasting days.

Am not going to weigh till next Saturday so a full week. Am fasting tomorrow (on a course In afternoon so normally running round like a mad thing) so lots of coffee and a banana mid afternoon and think stir fry for tea.

Eating normally on Tuesday - always have lunch with a friend and couldn't cope with the "look"

Can't decide to fast Wednesday or Thursday - doesn't actually aid much difference to me, eating normally Friday then fasting again on Saturday.

That said if I eat normally on Friday am I bet eating weighed Saturday or Sunday after fast day ? Will get tape measure out tonight and measure myself ....

BsshBossh Sun 10-Feb-13 14:57:15

chipmonkey well done!

notapizzaeater Sun 10-Feb-13 15:35:39

Wow chip monkey missed that - 5 lbs that's brilliant gringringringringrin

LackaDAISYcal Sun 10-Feb-13 15:38:07

I posted this on another thread, but meant to post it here! Any advice would be much appreciated smile

Hi guys

I'm new to 5:2 and a bit lost by it all.
I've calculated my TDEE at 2080 calories. With 5:2 do I eat this on feast days and then 520 calories on two consecutive fast days?

This would put my weekly intake at 14560 (to maintain) and 11400 (if doing 5:2). However, looking at a healthy weight loss of 1.5lbs a week, I reckon I would have to reduce my total intake to 9310.

Am I confusing the 5:2 principal with calorie reduced dieting? Is the TDEE just a tool to calcuate what you ahould be aiming for on a fast day?

I was happy enough with the principal until I read the TDEE calculator page!

Afternoon all!

Please might I ask a question re. appetite? can I ask how you would feel if you had eaten the following by 3pm:

No breakfast except 2 cups coffee
A shortish (half hour walk)
Then for late lunch:
Half a large sausage roll
3 cherry tomatoes and 3 balsamic pickled onions
A moderately large piece of cheddar
3 buttered slices of bread from a very small loaf (each slice about the side of the palm of your hand and less than 1 cm wide)
A smallish slice of cake with a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

1. Barely touched the sides
2. Could def. eat seconds
3. Just about right
4. Pleasantly full
5. Uncomfortably full
6. Slightly sick since you mention it

Thanks to anyone willing to humour me grin

6 - and I haven't started fasting yet!

notapizzaeater Sun 10-Feb-13 15:45:54

3/4 and I'd think I'd had a lovely ploughmans lunch

Interesting interesting ... keep 'em coming!

Dotty342kids Sun 10-Feb-13 15:59:07

About a 4 for me I think. It'd be the combo of the sausage roll and bread and butter / cake that would make me feel full up!

VV49 Sun 10-Feb-13 16:03:17

Hi. I've been lurking for months so thanks for all the support and encouragement. I'm 49 and 5'2", I had about 16lb to lose. Weight loss has been fairly slow since last September, 12lb so far, doing 4.5/3.5 (ie 500 calories of food monday wednesday and friday but drinking wine on friday night!). But I decided to post to let everyone know the staggering improvement in my blood chemistry (cholesterol etc), hope it will be added motivation. I have fairly healthy diet anyway, except for too much wine and haven't changed it drastically apart from the fasts. In September my stats were:
Total cholesterol 6.95, HDL (good) 1.84, LDL (bad) 5.11, Triglycerides 5.65.
I had them done again on friday and they are now:
Total cholesterol 5.23, HDL 2.51, LDL 1.86, Triglycerides 1.89.
I'm staggered by the improvement. The rest of my family are on statins, but it looks like I won't need them if I stick to this. I'm finding it very do-able, enjoying the freedom of eating as I like on eating days, and very much liking being 12 lb lighter!

Dotty342kids Sun 10-Feb-13 16:09:29

wow, that is brilliant vv49. Huge well done on the health gains and the weight loss!

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 16:11:14

definately 6 for me I think, the sausage roll /cake /ice cream would do it for me .. bread cheese toms and pickles yum or sausage roll and pickles fine ..

I take it that this has been your day ? where on the scale are you? (remember of course on a non fast day you can have all of those things without guilt.. .)

ThinkICan Sun 10-Feb-13 16:22:18

Great going VV49. Truly inspiring for people like me who are almo-o-o-st falling off the wagon. I'm sort of in a corner, wondering 5:2, 4:3, take a break, do something stupid???
ManVsFood - 6 for me too, though you're fine if it's an eating day. And the best part is - you can make tomorrow your fast day and nothing's lost.

Thanks for responding everyone (and do please keep doing it!)

It's a 'feast' day for me today, having done 4 fasts in 9 days, including one 22 hour complete fast.

I just think this WOE is doing something to my appetite - either massively shrinking it, or just making me hyper aware of how I actually feel.

I don't mind telling you - that lunch, especially not having had breakfast, would have only just touched the sides before. Seriously! I would probably have had another helping of cake and ice-cream, and then felt merely 'pleasantly full', and would have then looked forward to a pretty substantial dinner.

Today, after eating all that I was really uncomfortably full, and then when I went and baked peanut cookies and ate one, I tipped over into feeling properly sick, and almost certainly won't have dinner tonight (perhaps a late BAFTA snack but definitely not a full meal).

I am staggered. It's been less than a fortnight. DH agrees with me. I've always had a good hearty appetite - though never, ever, ever for junk food or takeaways, which has probably saved me from being 20 stone hmm - and I now realise it was a definitely much, much bigger than average. And that this WOE is teaching me what 'normal' portion sizes are, and that feeling full is actually a bit unpleasant.

Thanks for humouring me! At VV that is so inspiring - thanks for posting!

Bramblesinafield Sun 10-Feb-13 16:59:39

Wow that is ally good news on bloods, vv.

I would probs be troughing cheese if I had had the foods listed - bit of a trigger!

Well, fast day today and I'm fantasising about chocolate icecreams- something I don't usually eat! I'm nicely full, afte a cuppa, black coffee, lots of sparkling mineral water, herbal tea and a big bowl of skinny soup for lunch. Coming in at about 130 cals all told. Saving my meal for tonight, and have made the good food lentil and roots spicy casserole, yum, to have with lo fat yog and coriander. Nicely filling.

frenchfancy Sun 10-Feb-13 16:59:41

manvsfood I would be either a 2 or a 6. On a non fast day I could definitely eat more than that, but I wouldn't want more of that as I feel slightly sick at the tought. Does that make sense?

Would have been a 2 before starting this but now half a sausage roll doesn't appeal at all, not sure about white bread or ice-cream either.

I am starting to crave more protein and less carbs - not like me at all I am a bit of a carb fiend - dinner tonight is roast chicken with all the trimmings, and I'm looking forward to the chicken and the broccoli rather than the roast spuds confused the pear tarte tatin however won't even touch the sides grin

frenchfancy Sun 10-Feb-13 17:00:29

Great bloods vv definitely inspirational.

Bramblesinafield Sun 10-Feb-13 17:00:38

I do find the day after fast day that I am not as hungry. Still early days, so haven't seen weightloss yet, but we will see and hope that something has got going by next week's 'weigh in' at the weekend.

Dotty342kids Sun 10-Feb-13 17:08:52

Me too brambles. I'm going to weigh at end of this week when I'll have done four fast days across a two week period. Really hoping to see at least one or two pounds off to keep me motivated! Though I am noticing that on feed days I'm happily full on less food than usual. Think I'm conscious of not just eating for the sake of eating.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 17:09:26

ManvsFood 1, 2 or 3 depending on whether I'm having a hungry day or not.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 17:18:14

VV - great news, inspiring so thanks for posting smile.

Virgin - just re-read the list hadn't seen the cake & sausage roll first time, actually that combo of food would be a 6 for me, a bilious mix if ever I saw one! But on a snacky day that is a possible mixture, though not usually before 3pm - snack attacks happen post-school for me.

Rosiei21 Sun 10-Feb-13 17:56:52

Hi.just jumped into this thread from last one.

OK. ..Anything wrong with a latte on my fast day ? as long as it comes within my 500 calories ??

Laska42 Sun 10-Feb-13 18:18:22

Rosiei no , but you may find you get hungrier as a result and end up going over .. I tend to just stick to lots of veg and a little protein (usually eggs or prawns)
but i experimented with marinaded ,and baked spicy tofu today .. was v yum and filing

mangohedgehog Sun 10-Feb-13 18:30:53

I just had scrambled tofu with spring greens, carrot and spring onion for my fast day dinner - was lovely! very satisfying

I am surprised how easy my first day went. I had a full-on day out with DDs and I was expecting to be really grumpy all day. Actually it was fine although had to stop myself snatching their tuna sandwiches off them

Something seemed to kick in after about 1.30pm - that gnawing feeling in my stomach went away and I felt quite normal for the rest of the afternoon. It has really opened my eyes to the nature of hunger, which isn't at all like I thought it would be.

frenchfancy Sun 10-Feb-13 19:00:21

rosie as long as it is counted in your 500cals nothing is forbidden.

parrotsandcarsnips Sun 10-Feb-13 19:18:39

vv49 that is such good news for you and is just what i needed to hear.
I am mainly adapting to this WOE to reduce my cholesterol due to dire family history of cardiovascular disease.

Newlook Sun 10-Feb-13 19:57:22

There are so many positive and helpful comments here - and honest "talk" - thank you everyone. I have just had meatballs 'n' sauce, recipe courtesy of Be Food Smart resource (check the app if you are short of ideas for feeding healthy meals to your family - google change 4 life) Really easy and popular meals so far, good for encouraging my 11 and 13 year olds to get involved and cook too (ok, most of the time they would prefer to be on the xbox or ipod but sometimes I manage to entice them away).

I start my first fast day tomorrow so checking out whether to have porridge, smoothie or eggs - might just have to be spontaneous...

Frannyfeet Sun 10-Feb-13 19:59:22

Hello to all you very kind people who sent such nice messages to me after my fat girl freak out on Friday when I'd had a gain despite a week of utter control!

I am amazed to report that I've lost 4lbs since Friday! I have set myself a 7lb a month target for Feb, March, Apr, May, June and July, to give me a 3stone loss by my 40th. I am 1lb off my first target, so that is easily do-able by the end of Feb.

Ive decided not to get weighed tomorrow because Ive had a high cal day today.. and eaten all this....

English muffin with butter for breakfast
Full roast beef dinner in a pub for lunch
A slice of Chocolate tiffin
4 violet cream chocolates

I think I am at 1600 calories today....fast day tomorow, so may get on the scales on Weds.

Thanks again for all the encouragement, you made me stick with it and not give up!

I am on call for the week so just hoping I can stick with the fasting on Mon & Weds.

Have a good week all x

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 10-Feb-13 20:00:30

man before this WOE it would have been 1 now it's a 6. Interesting....

I've realised today that my thighs don't rub against each other any more, I can't remember it not being like that for about 14 years.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 20:05:56

Mango That's ace - it's a revelation isn't it? How have we been tricked into panicking about hunger for so long?

manvsfood apologies - called you by the wrong abbreviated handle. Was attempting to catch up on this and another forum whilst playing a boring boardgame with the family.

We went to a Chinese all-you-can-eat place today - managed not to overeat but am suffering now from oversalted & oversweetened food. Both the 8yo and I decided we would avoid sugar tomorrow (I'm fasting anyway) - I love that he understands the effects of less-than-optimal foods can have on your body already. I wonder how he'll get on tomorrow hmm.

Lackadaisycal The TDEE is just a rough guide to aim for on non-fast days and hopefully matches up approximately to your normal daily routine. It's best not to get too hung up on the numbers. The important thing is to make sure you're only having 500 calories on fast days - you can have this any way you like, though you'll get the most milage out of eating lots of veg and a little protein and avoiding carbs. Once you get a couple of fast days under your belt you'll find your appetite adapts and hopefully your non-fast days will look after themselves. I don't calorie count on non-fast days and find my week days are more slimline while weekends tend to involve more food. Do have a read through the tips & links thread for more practical info. Do go for it and let us know how you get on smile!

Oh that's fine Betsy I knew who you meant!

Yay Franny, well done, and I'm so glad you're feeling bonnier! What a fab start. Enjoy your day of lovely eating today, and good luck for your next fast!

After that is so interesting. Perhaps that's one of the key aspects of this WOE in terms of weight loss - something as simple and fundamental as a drastically reduced appetite...

Em2905 Sun 10-Feb-13 20:48:26

Hi everyone
Newbie, so hope you don't mind me posting!?!
I wanted to post to ask if anyone has found that they have lost inches rather than lbs?
I have just finished my 4th week of fasting and have lost 5lbs, although I have seen no weight loss some weeks I seem to be losing weight from around my middle.
Has anyone else found this or is it all in my head?
Thank you for the inspiration!

Em

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 10-Feb-13 20:54:48

man yesterday I made myself a toasted sausage sandwich for lunch, I slice of toast (gluten free) & I sausage. Previous to this I would have had two slice of toast (if not 3) & definitely 3 sausages. Not because I was hungry but just because I wanted it, but yesterday I threw the other 2 sausages away. Me! Unheard of! smile

AnnaK Sun 10-Feb-13 21:00:16

Just wanted to share... (I'm 5ft 7 btw)
Week 0 11st 92 cm waist
Week 1 10st 10
Week 2 10st 9 86cm waist
Week 3 10st 7 83cm waist

I have had to borrow my husband's belt to hold work trousers up!
SOOO excited.

BsshBossh Sun 10-Feb-13 21:05:39

OMG VV49 that blood work is amazing! Really inspirational. Thanks so much for posting.

Man I'd be a 5. Before starting 5:2, it would have been 2.

Yey franny well done!

cardiffmummy Sun 10-Feb-13 21:27:35

So just coming to the end of a normal day. Have been contemplating having some chocolate all evening - but now realise that I am not hungry, and will regret eating it just for the sake of it (and will probably feel quite sick!!). I've been doing this WOE for a month now. Weighed myself yesterday and have lost a stone grin!! Haven't repeated my measurements for a few weeks but definitely feeling slimmer on my hips and bum, and I can now do my belt up at the 3rd notch whereas could barely manage the 1st notch a few weeks ago!!

Have a slight problem fitting in my fast days this week because of birthdays, family get togethers etc. but I'm sure it will work out.

Well done to all of you. I don't post very often but I follow the thread avidly and find it really motivating smile.

Piebaldrider Sun 10-Feb-13 21:31:57

It’s been a week or more since i popped by and I’m so pleased to see how fast things are moving round here. I can’t read all the posts but I’m sure everyone is doing well and getting all the help and support they need. My head has been in a different place since i hit the 2 stone milestone and i have been spending more time thinking about me and how much i have changed. When i look a little deeper i see i haven’t actually changed but i have just let the real me out a bit more and the more she comes out the more she becomes the bigger part of me. All of this is a result of changing the way i eat and think about food. I like most people have difficulties in my life and obstacles i still need to work around but none of my problems seem like a problem anymore and i am confident i can find a solution to anything. I am only doing 5.2 at the minute but will step it back up to 4.3 when the weather is a bit warmer, i get terribly cold when fasting and as i spend a good deal of time out in the cold i never seem to get warm. I have come to think that doing 4.3 for a couple of months is like having a gastric band fitted , your stomach shrinks and you just can’t eat the same portions as you used to. Currently I am fitter and happier every day and my dream is to have a bikini fit body by the summer! For the record i have never intentionally restricted myself from eating anything on a non fast day and i don’t follow any rules on fast days other than try to only eat an evening meal and try not to exceed 600 calories but i admit that 700 is not unheard of however i never beat myself up over it i just move on and smile. Keep your goals in mind and every day take another step to become the person you really are and not the overweight person in the baggy jumper like i was. I’m having fun changing my hair colour and the types of clothes i wear, i get so many comments at work and everyone is now very interested in what i have been doing because they see it works and they see i haven’t been deprived or miserable., they see a happier more outgoing person and she’s having fun.

BetsyVanBell Sun 10-Feb-13 21:37:07

Yay! Congratulations cardiffmummy grin

frannyfeet brilliant news, well done smile - I've had a bit of a feast day too (not that 1600cals is actually a high calorie day!!) so no way I'm going near the scales until after a fast or two!

Piebald thanks for posting that ... and major well dones thanks

Newlook Sun 10-Feb-13 22:03:40

Thank you Piebald - well done, you are doing so well and your entry is really motivating smile; how long have you been on the plan? I love the way you described your journey and it is both reassuring and encouraging. Onwards and upwards thanks

Newlook Sun 10-Feb-13 22:05:38

AnnaK thank you for sharing - sometimes stats is just what you need (especially for me the day before I start my first fast). Well done and enjoy!

npg1 Sun 10-Feb-13 22:25:05

Well tomorrow im going to go all in and start by having a fasting day. Probably gonna kill me as I will be at work all day.

Need ideas for lunch, was thinking of a cup a soup, dont have the option to heat anything up. Soup and 2 ryvitas? Any othwr ideas would be great, no eggs in the house!

chipmonkey Sun 10-Feb-13 23:12:14

cup a soup sounds OK but I think protein helps you last longer, IYKWIM. Do you have a slice of ham/chicken or turkey?

franny, glad you're back on track. Knew you could keep it up!

sausages51 Sun 10-Feb-13 23:19:17

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emmafifema Sun 10-Feb-13 23:43:40

hi,
I'm starting the 5:2 diet tomorrow and that will be my first fasting day. My question is this:
I have to take a lot of medication throughout the day (22 tablets in 3 doses) and In order to do so I have to eat something each time.....what can I do on fasting days about this? How can I deal with it?

Thanks x

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 05:53:12

Someone suggested avoiding grains for a week to see if it would move me off the plateau. Was it you literary geek? Wanted to ask - did it work for you?

Ezzza Mon 11-Feb-13 05:59:24

Well I'm really looking forward to Chinese New Year being over now. I've been forced to live on junk food for the past week because all the places that sell proper food are closed, leaving only Macdonalds, KFC and the like open to feed me (can't cook for myself, no access to useable kitchen), so I'm not holding out much hope for a favourable reading on the scales tomorrow (my weekly weigh day). <sigh>

Some friends took pity on me last night and invited me to eat with them so I had Chinese-Japanese-Korean fusion for dinner yesterday. A very welcome break from the junk. Another friend who has lived here for years tells me places start opening up again in another couple of days, so here's hoping I'll be back on decent food soon.

As if that wasn't bad enough, the wireless router in our building went out on Saturday, and because it's Chinese New Year there's no-one around who can fix it, so I've not been able to come on Mumsnet for ages. sad

So here I am, sat in Macdonalds again <bleurgh> using their wifi. I really didn't think an internet connection could possibly be any worse than the one in my building, but today I find out I was wrong. Sorry for not responding to anyone's posts but I'm just posting this before the battery in my laptop dies. I'll go home shortly and read yesterday's post with a cuppa in hand. Good old English tea to help fix a bad situation eh? wink

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 06:22:05

emma I take around 14-21 tablets a day depending on the day of the week. I spoke to my consultants before embarking on this WOE to make sure it was ok & what to do about the medication. I suggest you do that first because the last thing you want is to mess your body up. Luckily for me my docs were very positive & on fasting days revised how I take meds.

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 06:33:08

Good suggestion Aftereights. With so many meds, it's better to keep the doctors informed and helping revise the schedules.

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 06:34:03

What will we do without the internet? My heart bleeds for you Ezzza!

it is so good reading everyone's successes and good results. very encouraging for me.

well i've had a weird one. the last time i weighed myself was after a fast on friday and i was 11stone10 and happy with that as it meant i'd lost 4lbs in about 9 days and two fasts.

this morning i thought i would get on the scales and see what the damage was for 3 days of eating and i was 11stone8 confused but grin

so that is 6lbs in 12days. i think maybe my metabolism has woken up or something.

fast day tomorrow as i'm in work so it will be easier but i won't worry too much if i don't fit in another this week (half term) as i can just make sure the next week is done well.

think i love this method.

emma - you can always have a boiled egg and take tablets in morning. then a boiled egg and take lunchtime dose and still have around 320calories for your dinner and take third dose afterwards. i possibly sound a bit obsessed with boiled eggs but it's because i find they sustain me without triggering hunger.

other good thing about boiled eggs (it's true i'm obsessed) is you can cook them the night before and then when you want to eat one it's just 'there'. you don't have to cook or handle food or even go to the canteen and be surrounded by food options - you just have a boiled egg in your handbag.

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 07:03:52

Good show swallowed!

thank you - i actually had a little dance in the kitchen singing, 'i'm gonna be thin again' grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 07:22:15

Well done swallowed grin

Newlook Mon 11-Feb-13 07:27:08

Great results swallowedAfly and thanks for boiled egg tip, I will keep this in mind. I am fasting today - first time - have decided that I cannot do this without my cups of tea - probably about 3 - 4 so will have to calc the cals in the milk I guess. Can handle black coffee, the odd herbal and some miso type soup but tea needs milk!! good luck to everyone today - one step at at time smile

maybe we should remind ourselves why we are doing this.

personally i hate being fat - i don't feel healthy, my digestion feels sluggish and i feel bloated and bleurgh all the time. i am coming up for middle age and don't want to be fat now let alone head into menopause already overweight and then find it even harder to lose. i like wearing really simple lines in clothes - hipster cut trousers/jeans and hip length tops were my staples. forget that when you're fat and constantly searching for long enough, loose enough tops that don't emphasise your middle.

i feel healthier and more energetic when i'm slim. my knee hurts more when i'm fat and my posture is awful. i like being able to bend down and do my shoes up without my stomach getting in the way and having to do some odd sideways twist to navigate to my feet. i like buying the clothes i actually want to wear instead of thinking oh that would look lovely on someone else.

i want to look in the mirror and see me not look and think who the hell is that. i want to not feel weak and crappy and out of control.

but i want all of this without having to calorie count on a daily basis, obsess and veer towards eating disorder type territory and bore everyone around me with the details of everything i have or haven't eaten that day (dieters really are soooo boring!). and i want all this without having to use up hours a week in a boring gym doing mindnumbingly dull repetitive exercise only to discover i've burnt off the equivalent of a digestive biscuit.

so if this woe continues to work then i am a very happy bunny.

Is it ok to miss the occasional fast day? I'm so tired today & the thought of fasting makes we want to cry. I can't really do it any other days so might give it a miss today, it won't do too much harm will it?

literarygeek Mon 11-Feb-13 08:20:53

Mrs - no! Have a good day and pick up again next week. That's why we love this.

literarygeek Mon 11-Feb-13 08:23:39

Just to clarify, that was "no, it won't matter." Rather than "no, you can't miss a fast day!"

Feel better soon and sometimes it helps to cry x

Ezzza Mon 11-Feb-13 08:25:58

Thanks ThinkICan. I decided to see if I could get away with charging up the laptop in Starbucks before going home in a sulk. I usually avoid the place because I don't like coffee, their tea is disgusting, and most drinks cost 30 yuan shock. The cheapest drink is 17 yuan. Given that I'm living on a weekly budget of 200 yuan for food, drinks, toiletries and cleaning products I'm not willing to spend that kind of money on something I really don't want. But I begrudgingly bought the cheapest cakey thing they had (still 12 yuan but at least it was nice) and went to eat it in the corner while my laptop charged up. I then discovered there's wifi in here too and it's actually an ok speed. So I have now nested (put two scoopy type armchairs front to front and am snuggled in the middle with my coat and laptop on my knees) and will probably stay here until I get hungry again this evening and have to go on another food hunt.

MrsHels, if you really can't face it then don't worry about today. No big deal. I like to think about this long term, so if one week I really can't do it I won't. That way I know I'll still be doing this in 6 month's time, by which time I'm sure I will have lost more weight and will still be getting all the health benefits that come with, it instead of having given up because I found it too much of a mental struggle. This isn't like a diet where one slip can completely derail you. This is a sustainable way of eating. Tomorrow is another day. If you can fit another fast in this week then great. But if not, never mind, just carry on on your next planned fast day. You never know, another week you might be feeling really up for it and decide to slip another fast day in.

Glad to hear things are going better for you Frannyfeet! smile

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 08:35:47

Swallowed Fab news well done grin!

MrsHels Of course you can skip today if you're not up for it, there's always tomorrow smile

This is going to be a tough fast day - half term and now one of the DSs is poorly with a high temp and sick bucket on standby, so will be trapped in the house all day. Mind you, it is now snowing so I'm not that upset! And at least the usually hungriest child's appetite is now curtailed. There's going to be a distinct lack of exercise though, maybe me and the elder child can do some wii zumba to amuse the ill one...

virginposter Mon 11-Feb-13 08:48:23

em2905 the losing inches with no weight loss is common on this WOE as it was the first thing that I noticed and I'm still noticing it now after 6 months. Today had W.I. And have lost another 2lbs and my visceral fat has dropped again by 1 point so I am especially happy.

swallowed Good post! I think you've summed up nicely what a lot of us feel now that we have finally found a way to cast off the old life of battling with our weight constantly and can now live life properly and be slim and happy grin

Woopsiedaisy Mon 11-Feb-13 09:22:10

Delurking to ask if anyone here can give me some advice.

I am so impressed with all your achievements and have been 5:2 ing for the last three weeks (6 fasts in total).

I love this WOE but have found that I am triggering Migraines. i have had 5 over that period, usually starting the evening after my fast day.

What I am wondering is if anyone else has had this experience. If so did you manage to overcome it ?

Also has anyone tried 8:16. i.e 8 hours eating, 16 hours fasting every day? Did it work for you?

I am assuming that 8:16 might help me to keep my blood sugar stable (always a trigger for my migraine) but don't know anyone else who has tried this variant of IF.

Would really appreciate any advice !!!

literarygeek Mon 11-Feb-13 09:30:15

think- I am not doing it right now, but yes, it did work for me! Just to readjust things, including my appetite for baked goods! grin

artemis17 Mon 11-Feb-13 09:39:47

Morning all..3rd fast day today, and hoping for some weight/inch loss this week, did get a bit despondent not losing anything but new week new game smile.

Finding i am really enjoying hot water and lemon shock not sure what to eat later most likely prawns. As i fast on my exercise days ive realised I cant leave it til 8pm like i did last week as i felt a bit lightheaded at combat, so will try to have something about 4pm then a little something afterwards.
And then its pancake day tomorrow so no danger of not eating my TDEE yum yum!!.

silverbeetle Mon 11-Feb-13 09:54:18

Hi I've taken the plunge and started he diet today - glup!

I've been lurking in the background for about a week and finally plucked up the courage to join the forum as everyone seems so supportive and I can really empathise with some of the posters FrannyFeet (so glad things are now moving in the right direction).

However, I feel really nervous about it actually working - I've read loads of threads (they are all truly inspirational) and I understand the science behind it but still can't quite believe it may help shed the post baby pounds which have stuck with me for 15 years and believe me I've tried before with mixed results. I've got about 12-14lbs to lose so not a massive amount but it's very stubborn and enough to make you feel uncomfortable and crappy and I'm fed up with feeling like this.

I'll be 47 in a few weeks and have felt the spare tyre round my middle steadily growing - not a good feeling, plus blood pressure has gone right up. So I really feel it's time to make some changes to my lifestyle before it really starts to effect my health. After a lifetime of diets this WOE seems so much more practical and managable.

Anyway I'm rambling now, it's my first Fast day today. So far so good, will take the dog out later and do the housework. Trying to last to 8pm and have all cals as dinner, will see how it goes.

I know I will dread the first weigh-in, not sure if I should weigh myself every day, once a week or every two weeks? Any suggestions?

on the fast days are you eating small and often or saving them all up for one meal woopsie ?

and then the day after how are you eating?

i'm also trying to remember what supplements i take that claim to help keep blood sugar level - i think one is chromium but there's another one - will have a look and get back to you.

i don't know if 8/16 would work for you. in reality my regular eating has tended to be eating bugger all all day long then eating all evening and it certainly didn't help me have stable blood sugar or lose weight. can't advise on that one i'm afraid.

Woopsiedaisy Mon 11-Feb-13 10:12:24

swallowed eating two meals, lunch at 12 and then supper around 6pm. Because I am aware of blood sugar issues they are sensible meals based on veg / protien.

I did try breakfast / supper for the first week but ended up with awful mid day headaches, so decided lunch / supper would work better.

Also sensible the next day. Breakfast porridge followed by protien, fruit, veg mix.

I an not normally this angelic (have a real weakness for chocolate) but feel that this is my chance to resolve life long weight issues and I am determined not to wreck it. I am not massively overweight but at 154lb could definitely be described as solid.

My food choices are often dictated by the fact that I am a coeliac, so cant eat grains. That rules out bread, pasta, cake etc !!

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 10:12:27

Welcome silverbeetle smile. It might be helpful to take some before measurements & a weigh-in, I know totally depressing in the first instance but I really wished I had - it's very motivating when you realise inches are reducing as well as pounds. Otherwise I really try to only weigh myself after a fast day but I know I should only do it once a week or less (I can't help myself!)

If you find you do need to split your calories (I always have 2 meals and when I started I had to have an apple or carrot mid morning too) then do so - 8pm sounds like a long way away and if you're eating soup or something with loads of veg you can have 2 really quite substantial meals. Anyway, you probably know all this so good luck with your first fast.

silverbeetle Mon 11-Feb-13 10:40:46

Thanks BetsyVB I'll measure my wobbly bits and try not to get too depressed blush

I'm off to get some Miso soup to help stave off any hunger pangs. I'm just worried if I do start to eat something I'll get really hungry and be miserable. I'm a sort of all or nothing sort of girl. However this week is an experiment so I'll see how it goes.

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Feb-13 10:45:12

franny that's so lovely to read after your despair the other day! Great news and so reassuring for anyone else having similar "moments".
Week 2, and fast day no 3 for me and I'm feeling simulataneously motivated, energetic and hungry. But I'm ok with the hunger knowing that I have a snack lined up for 2.00 ish and a nice dinner already prepared for tonight grin

Newlook Mon 11-Feb-13 10:47:58

Hi Silverbeetle - your entry strikes lots of chords with me! I am 45, been on many a diet, started first fast today - so welcome smile; I feel v positive about what I saw on Horizon and reading the thread - as you say, so motivating and supportive. I have about 2 stone to lose and am determined to do this. I am trying to focus on the health benefits as this should keep me on track - it's a no brainer really but we all have good and "bad" days; that's why this 5:2 seems so marvellous. I love it and it's only day 1!!!
Good luck with the fast - I had cup of tea at 7am and have just had a late breakfast (am currently not working so can be flexible) of porridge and blueberries - 200 cals - delicious! wouldn't be able to wait until this evening but we're all different. Plan to drink water, tea, coffee and emergency cuppa soup if desperate before having either sweet pot soup or tuna and beans. Have kiev for rest of family though they will probably want what I'm having too!
Question for all of you out there - does anyone know whether it's ok to eat chewing gum on a fast day? I think it's probably best not to as it might create a feelilng of hunger, but I do love it...

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 10:48:46

silver I am on my second pot of herbal tea - plenty of liquid staves off hunger pangs! You'll be surprised, the hunger really doesn't get worse, it comes and goes - you can just push through it, do something to distract you, come on here and moan talk about it, put the kettle on, fantasise about what you could be eating and remember - you can eat it tomorrow.

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Feb-13 10:49:31

And welcome to silverbeetle. There are quite a few of us who are relatively new to this and also quite a few amazing long termers who really do help to keep us motivated and informed about this all.
Good luck today and yes, agree about weigh in and measure. I'm an apple shape so was aware my middle area measurements were going to be pretty dreadful so I'm really hoping that after a couple of weeks I see a bit of movement.
I vowed not to get on the scales for the first two weeks but have ignored my own advice and keep getting on for a wee peek. However, I'm not really taking much notice of what they say! Friday is going to be my official weigh day!

nearlyniftyfifty Mon 11-Feb-13 10:55:21

Swallowed..I couldn't agree more..altho I'm still at the trying to find my feet stage envy
On some of the fantastic weight losses after 10 days fasting..well done but am I the only one to be a true steady eddie?? One month in, 6lbs down grin
Fasting today, half term and starving teens...oh dear, bouillon beckons!

tomorrowweeat Mon 11-Feb-13 11:05:09

I find it really interesting to weigh every morning to see the effects of fasting. Leads to a very spikey type graph but shows overall downward trend. (12 lbs in 12 weeks)

Maditun Mon 11-Feb-13 11:56:32

Did you weigh yourself at boots before you started and was it at the same time of day and wearing the same? I can easily weigh 4lb more at the end of the day. But usually because I'm fully clothed and eaten. Go again to boots and wear the same clothes, go the same day and at the same time of day and see if it makes a difference. X

MrsSlocombesPussy Mon 11-Feb-13 12:08:25

Hi, can I join in? I'm halfway through my very first fast day, and feel OK so far - hunger pangs are manageable.
I need to lose 5st - I've been overweight for most of my adult life, though not by this much. I piled on the pounds after having my 2nd DC almost 6 years ago.

Maditun Mon 11-Feb-13 12:11:11

Artemis. Have you ever thought about trying to gain weight?? Your BMI is below recommended. And I you put a bit of weight on, it might go onto your hips and bum, give you some sexy squidgy bits, and increase your hip to waist ratio too. Just a thought. Dieting will lose the weight, but as someone else said, if there's no fat to lose on your waist, it won't get smaller. Ever thought of wearing a corset? A la dita von tis? X

MummaMoosey Mon 11-Feb-13 12:13:35

Morning all. Weigh in day for me today... Another 3lbs! I am genuinely amazed and over the moon at the same time. That's 5lbs in total so far grin

Silver I felt the same as you to begin with, read all the positives but was worried it wouldn't work for me but it is! I am on my 5th fast day (third week) and am not restricting AT ALL on my 'normal' days for the time being. I'm not being a greedy guts or bingeing I'm just not counting calories or watching them even for now.

I have a lot of weight to lose, my current Bmi is 40 but I am a work in progress and this WOE is most definitely a step in the right direction.

Even my DP is on board, to begin with he pooh-poohed it, comments such as 'starving yourself' and 'just eat less everyday' have become 'fasting' and even planning my fast days into our weekly meals.

Feeling very positive and this thread is such an inspiration, although I don't post often I am always flicking back to read your thoughts and progress and I'm rooting for us all. smile

Ezzza Mon 11-Feb-13 12:25:45

Oh, dear. Now I'm really not holding out much hope for my weigh in tomorrow. Just scoffed a whole pizza. Got a bit over excited that the closest thing I can find to a pub has reopened after the hols and went a bit mad. Normally I only eat half blush. Ah well. Fast day tomorrow. Onwards and downwards eh?

moonbells Mon 11-Feb-13 12:32:32

Back again. Have no home internet and phone isn't as smart as all that, so I'm going to vanish at weekends and evenings until they pull their fingers out and fix it.

First fast day went really well. Hoped to do a 'reasonable' weekend then friend turned up with a box of Thornton's choc gingers and then yesterday the birthday party DS went to had seriously overcatered on grown-up fingerfood.

groan no willpower here. Walked to work in snow this morning and have crumbled with some more chocolate that someone left in the staffroom.

Next fast is tomorrow. I hope it's not anyone's birthday.

Emandlu Mon 11-Feb-13 12:36:50

Hello, new girl signing in here.

I'm on my first fast day having read the book over the weekend. I had a small breakfast this morning, but I think next time I will just eat my calories in the evening as I have been hungry ever since.

I haven't weighed myself as we don't own scales, but will gauge things by how well my clothes fit, I'm also interested in the possible anti inflammatory effects and the idea it may help delay/prevent the onset of type 2 diabetes (strong family history).

Well the first fast isn't going too badly! I has lemon in hot water at brekkie instead of my normal latte and it as fine, lunch was slice of weight watchers bread (53cals) and poached egg with mug of bouillon, Dinner is heaps of veg and a little roast lean chicken.

Snowkey Mon 11-Feb-13 12:44:56

Fast day for me today and it's my TOM - which goes some way to explaining the 5lb gain on the scales in 2 days and my furious mood this morning - I am bloated and uncomfortable but it doesn't seem to matter how rationally I know this is water retention, I just hate seeing the gain on the scales. sad

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 12:47:58

MrsSlo - join in and start losing. I had 50 lb to lose and have lost 20, though they have been with me for 20 years now. Don't mind that I'm in the cribbing phase now as I've plateaued. But with the fab group here, you can do it. We can all do it smile

Madeyemoodysmum Mon 11-Feb-13 12:50:58

Fast day 5 after 4 feast days! So far so good, though dd is off sick so having to prepare food for her but one coffee and one red bush tea has kept me on track.

Kept busy by cleaning upstairs and bath room, played wii with dd and now she is watching Harry potter so I'm keeping her company with the I pad and mumsnet.

Only an hour and I can have my soup and have lentil cottage pie and veggies for supper.

So far 12lb lost, half on 5.2 half cal counting and exerciseing.

WannabeWilloughby Mon 11-Feb-13 12:54:17

Hi ladies, really interested in learning more about 5:2. I have about 4 stone to lose, maybe 5 depending on how I feel when I get there. Would I be better doing 4:3?

I lose weight by trying to eat under 1200 cals, although some days it's 1500 as I try to eat low carb and sometimes this pushes the cals up. Need to try something different now. Thinking more about long term health too.

Can I have any tips. How many cals do you eat on non fasting days? Is there anything I can't have on fasting or non fasting days?

How much do you lose on average each week?

Have read through some of the thread and you all seem mega supportive. I've also watched the horizon film. Quite excited by it all :-)

ThinkICan Mon 11-Feb-13 13:04:13

Wannabe - from my own experience - I started this 5 months back and lost 20 lb, I would suggest starting with 5:2 and then moving to 4:3, as I find many of us have reached a plateau after months of the WOL. Read the tips and the links at the top of the page and you will have all the answers in a jiffy! Good luck smile

Ninunina Mon 11-Feb-13 13:10:38

Hello, I heard about this diet last week from a friend and thought I'd give it a try since I've managed to put on 3kg since December and need to lose 6kg to get to my ideal weight. On my first fast day and so far so good. I prepared a lovely low calorie marrow and cauliflower soup and just had a bowl of that for lunch (approx 42 calories). Other than that I've stuck to black coffee and a third of a teaspoon of xylitol. The challenge will be this afternoon since dd has a carnival party (don't live in the UK) and there will no doubt be some cakes. Not quite sure what to do on non-fast days though. Do you eat normally or still restrict calories?

Madeyemoodysmum Mon 11-Feb-13 13:12:00

Hi wannabe wil
I do 2 fast days, usually Monday's and weds or thurs. never weekends

On non fast days I eat what I like but I do log on fitness pal and it's roughly 1600-1900 cals a day, I've given up alcohol till end feb though so that all food calories. I've lost approx 2lb a week since 5.2 started. This is week 3 for me. Post Xmas I was cal counting but that's so depressing
I love this, it's so fab knowing you can eat the same as everyone around you and still loose weight. I hope to get to 10.7lb or even better 10.2 ish but I'd be really happy at 10.7lb and a normal BMI. Health benefits seem amazing too. I intend to carry on and maybe 6.1 for mainataince.

Yesterday I had homemade blueberry pancakes. A slice of Victoria sponge.
Toad in the hole with 3 sausages gravy and laois of veg. Plus popcorn and choc while watching tv in the evening About 1900 cals and I was very happy.
Today I'm fasting so having soup at 2pm then lentil cottage pie and veg for supper abut 8pm. Worst time for me is kids tea time but I find a coffee to sip stops me form cracking. Good luck, it's a fab woe and a fab forum.

WannabeWilloughby Mon 11-Feb-13 13:20:35

Yes madeye....kids teatime is a nightmare for me too! I can be full up but that scraggly piece of chicken or spoonful of beans is too appealing!

Am I allowed sweeteners in my coffee and milk on non-fast days providing I count the calories?

Thank you for your replies. Gonna research properly tonight and do my first fast day tomoz :-) thanks for your replies

Madeyemoodysmum Mon 11-Feb-13 13:25:10

Yes you can have sweeteners and I used skimmed milk cals prob only 25 or so as I go sparingly. Good luck. Will look out for your posts.

welshmill Mon 11-Feb-13 13:28:30

silverbeetle I'm very soon to be 46. I'm only 4ft11" and when I started this back in August was 10st 5lb. I've tried all sorts over the years. The most 'successful' was strict calorie counting and exercise. I did this for three months a few years back on 1200 cals a day exercising 3-4days a week. I was 10st 3b then and managed to get to 9st 7lb where I plateaued and gave up because I just couldn't sustain it.
This WOE was a leap of faith for me as I was so miserable. I just hoped/thought it might work....and it has. I'm now 8st 11lb having lost 22lb so far and though the fast days can be difficult I've got to say this is the easiest and most sustainable 'diet' I've ever tried. I'm working on getting down to 8st but I'm no longer stressing over it. Good luck!

Newlook I find water and chewing gum essentials on a fast day!

Hello. Can I join you all please?

Have come over from the weight watchers thread. Last year between Jan and end of June I lost 33 pounds on WW. Since then I am struggling to stay motivated and have been on a cycle of gaining and losing. Regained 9lbs in total although 5 of that had gone last week. But then I have regained 2 over this week. My main problem is wine - in comes the wine and out goes the willpower. I also have issues with wheat. I had one slice of white bread last week which triggered a week of cravings.

Have been reading about this WOE over the last few days having seen the threads mount up in active convos! Over the years I have tried most diets and am still 5 stone over weight.

Started first fast today and managed to get to lunch time with two cups of tea with milk and a herbal tea. Have just had a lunch of two poached eggs and a ryvita cracker. Not sure what I will have for dinner. Will investigate the BBC Good Food 300 calories meals.

Woopsie - Migraines can be triggered by dehydration - are you drinking enough on your eating days? Just thought that maybe you are drinking lots on your fast days and not so much on eating days? Other thing could be magnesium. Migraines can be triggered by low magnesium so maybe try a magnesium supplement and take extra on the fasting days to make up for e lack of magnesium intake from food on fasting days.

welshmill Mon 11-Feb-13 13:30:59

I also mean to add silverbeetle that my baby pounds are/were also around 15 years old. It's been over 15 years since I was last under 9st.

silverbeetle Mon 11-Feb-13 13:33:21

Well it's lunch time, think it's time for the herbal tea thanks for the tip.
Done most of the housework and walked the dog, saving the rest of the hoovering until later to keep my mind off things. Never thought I'd be grateful to have some housework to do, even thought of mucking out the teenagers bedrooms. Decided to save that treat for another Fact day -smile

Do feel a bit weird though, I keep swinging between tired and then feeling really elated and smiley. Better not venture out any more in case I get funny looks. Perhaps the later is because I'm finally taking control, who knows?

Great results tomorrowweeat

Measured the wobbly bits, at least it's a starting point blush

Still can't decide on when to weigh, might not be able to last a week, might go for daily initially and plot a graph just to see what effect it's having, appeals to my scientific mind.

silverbeetle Mon 11-Feb-13 14:18:45

welshmill just read your post - so it really is possible for the old flab to go, thanks so much for sharing. I will reread your post over the next few weeks to keep me motivated.

Hi Cider I was just like you had moderate success with WW over the years but could never lose the last bit. Plus the change in the points system never worked for me and I couldn't sustain the loss.

Wine was also a big problem but that was one of the reasons I did WW as you could still have it and I got to the point that I'd rather have it than food. Not very healthy I know but I have a fairly stressful job and two teenagers and I looked forward to it each evening. It was a chance to unwind.

Anyway I stopped drinking wine completely about 3 weeks ago and have been having sparkling water with lemon instead and I feel fine. I think it just became a habit, something to hold in my hand, I even put the water in a wine glass. I'm still going to drink wine but will enjoy a couple of glasses on the weekend rather than everyday.
I'm really looking forward to my first glass this weekend and I've saved a fortune!

You can do it smile

artemis17 Mon 11-Feb-13 14:29:56

Maditun thanks for your feedback, i dont own scales so tend to always use the same ones in Boots, and even allowing for clothes i hadnt lost-but it was my TOM which snowkey mentions as giving her weight gain so maybe that didnt help.
I know compared to some my weight/height/BMI all seem fine, but i can definately pinch more than an inch on my belly/above my hips/side of boobs, its just annoying that my hips are so slim. Ive never been any bigger there even with my kids, so i accept my hips are like a boys, BUT my belly could do better lol. Plus the health benefits of this WOE is a big plus, lots of early deaths from various things in my family.

If you want a nice cuppa soup, try Tescos Light Choices Thai style chicken, even with noodles in its only 60kc and is filling.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 14:30:14

Just popping in to say hi to all newbies & a reminder to take a multi vitamin on fast days. It's certainly helped my cravings on those days. Headaches could be dehydration or possible caffeine withdrawal though am not certain! Good luck to all grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 14:33:11

Oh & I really regret not measuring myself when I started this in August so I could compare then & now. But I do know I've dropped 3 clothe sizes.

welshmill Mon 11-Feb-13 14:42:27

silverbeetle I started with a 38 inch waist and now it's 32....that's one sizeable lump of flesh shifted!

BlackMaryJanes Mon 11-Feb-13 15:12:05

I'm getting fatter on this WOE sad I can feel it. 3 more weeks then I'm coming off sad

BlackMaryJanes Mon 11-Feb-13 15:18:58

I actually don't think I can go on for 3 more weeks sad I'm wavering everyone and desperately need some hand-holding.

The WOE instructs that you "eat as normal" on your non-fast days - but that's my problem. I've never eaten 'normal' in my life. I've either binged or dieted. sad

ErikNorseman Mon 11-Feb-13 15:29:36

Bmj you may need to rethink your feed days in that case. What is your TDEE? Can you meal plan for your eating days and include plenty of treat food? If you are a genuine binge eater then this woe may not work for you. You aren't the poster who ate 48 cream eggs at the weekend are you? smile

welshmill Mon 11-Feb-13 15:32:16

Hi BlackMaryJanes sorry you're struggling. All I can suggest in that case is that you work out your TDEE (instructions above), sign up with MyFitnessPal and log everything you eat for a while (and I mean everything - milk, suger in tea/coffee etc). I know this can become slightly obsessive and is a reminder of all those dark days calorie counting on other diets but when I first started on this I had no idea what normal eating was either so I found this a great help. After a few months I've got a pretty good idea what a normal day is so I don't use MFP any more. This WOE is really worth sticking with. Good luck.

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Feb-13 15:42:27

blackmaryjames so sorry to hear you're struggling. Have you weighed in to see if you've lost so far, rather than just "feeling" that you've put on weight? It may not be as bad as you fear?
Echo welshmill's comments about using myfitnesspal. I had no idea how many calories I normally eat in a day so am using that to keep track. Fortunately it wasn't as bad as I anticipated and actually, most days there is "room" in my TDEE to have the Dairy Milk I am so horribly addicted to!
As *welshmill" says, it can be useful for a short while until you get much more familiar with what's an ok and normal amount to be eating.
Good luck and stick at it, we're all here with you!

Oh BMJ don't be despondent. I remember when I lost a significant chunk of weight on SW, I felt massively, hugely, significantly fatter once I'd lost 15lb - I think I was feeling more aware of myself or something. Don't go on how you feel, it just ain't accurate. Especially if you could be PMT-ish and bloated.

Off to read everyone's posts in a bit but can report - have intended to save all my cals for a single meal at 6pm and all going really well so far! Actually find it easier to work and be productive on a fast day which is a real revelation...

BlackMaryJanes Mon 11-Feb-13 15:49:37

Thanks for replying everyone. I'm close to crying about this.

Not sure about my TDEE, as I'm quite active and breastfeeding on one hand, but very short (5ft1) on the other hand.

I'm probably going to end up fasting 2 days (for the health benefits) and calorie-counting the other 5 days. So basically 7 days a weak I'm restricting one way or another sad

I like the suggestion of MFP, but I'm slightly apprehensive because I fear it will make my perfectionist tendencies get out of control and heighten my anxiety about food.

Dotty I'm not weighing until 6 weeks have passed, at least that was my plan. But I can see the fat gradually piling on - in my face and on my muffin top.

PORRIDGEANYONE Mon 11-Feb-13 15:56:09

Hi everybody, please don't think I' dumb but regarding the number of calories allowed a day when not fasting...shall I look at the bmr which is 1548 or the tdee which is 2128 ??

Sorry for butting in, I'm all new the 5:2 diet !

LackaDAISYcal Mon 11-Feb-13 16:01:01

Thanks BetsyVanBell smile

I did a bit more reading after posting and realised I was just confusing myself. I've got the Daily Fail's supplements from Saturday and today and have ordered the 5:2 Recipe Book, Michael Mosely's book and the 2 day diet book which is out on thursday and am committed!

Is it OK to start this diet with a feast day though, as I work evenings Mon-Wed so don't want to fast until my days off on Thursday and Friday, otherwise I am bound to fail! I am trying to do healthy eating between now and then though <hides chocolate wrapper>

and wow this thread moves fast!

Looking forward to finally losing the visceral fat I have struggled to shift for the last four years!

LackaDAISYcal Mon 11-Feb-13 16:03:44

Oh, and I know the 2 day diet recommends the two fast days together, but iirc Michael Mosely said it didn't matter on the Horizon programme back in August.

Is it easier to break yourself in doing fasting on alternate days or two days in between? or just jump in? I know I can handle one day, but two together seems quite daunting!

Daisy1407 Mon 11-Feb-13 16:21:57

Hi
After 2 weeks of being on the 5:2 today i weighed in - i was dissapointed!
I have lost 1 lb in 2 weeks but i think this may be my fault i dont think im eating enough on the non fast days, i enter everything on to MFP and have always done this and i think about 3 days week i have about 1200 or under calories so i think i need to stop tracking and eat kinda what i like (within moderation)

Its reallt strange though as everyone was telling me i look smaller this week! Maybe measurments are the way forward!

I ate my last meal last night (sunday) at 19.30 and i havent eaten a thing since - waiting till i get home now 18.30

This is the first time ive waited this long and im very pleased with myself - i have just kept myself busy at work all day

Tonights tea consists of an omlette with 2 eggs, some WW bacon 2 slices and 2 quorn sausages - should fill me up! smile
Then a nice light hot chocolate for bed

Good luck everyone - lets stay positive x Daisy x

welshmill Mon 11-Feb-13 16:22:26

blackmaryjames I'm even shorter at 4ft 11", 8st 11lb and 45 yrs old. At the moment my TDEE is 1719 (light exercise) but it was much higher when I started (10st 5lb). I must admit I did get a bit obsessive with MFP, logging all my food and exercise etc but that's just the way I tick. Over time (and seeing the results) I've got a lot less obsessive and as I said before, I no longer use it. I've calorie counted before so I know how it can take over you life but given how you're feeling it must be worth a try for a little while....especially if you do start to see results.

Newlook Mon 11-Feb-13 16:32:14

welshmill thank you for answer on chewing gum - v helpful though I have managed without so far...
Thank you everyone for thread today - being my first fast day (oh did I mention that several times already?!!) it's been a great help checking in. For anyone who's interested, so far I've had
1 cup of tea, 2 cups of coffee, 1 bowl porridge/blueberries (200 cals - delicious), 1 cup a soup (73) and just resorted to a 40 cal WW hot chocolate. For me this is good going! I am about to make soup so can decide whether to have soup or tuna/beans for supper. Have sipped at water all day.
I have been aware of hunger at various points during day but the BEST thing is knowing that this is ONE DAY at a time and I keep thinking "I can do this for a day" - and I can - we all can! until the next time.
I am 12 stone 12 at 5'6'' - and want to lose at least 2 stone - that's a lot of pounds but reading everyone's comments tells me it IS possible so thank you.

Fillybuster Mon 11-Feb-13 16:34:18

Back from snowboarding and found the new thread...hurrah!

After 11 days 'off' this WoE, spent mainlining cake, bread, butter, hot chocolate, red wine and finishing every day with a 5 course meal (with cheese plate), I got on the scales this morning.

9.13.8

On the one hand...

Disaster! I have regained nearly everything I lost in the previous 3 weeks.

On the other hand...

Hurrah! It could have been so much worse....!

grin

Weirdly, I have been looking forward to fasting today all week....probably because I quite like being back in control.... hmm

Anyway, an easy fast so far today, and hopefully the 5lbs or so I have put on over the past week will shift fairly quickly again smile

Btw, my new mantra (to replace 'i can eat it tomorrow') is "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"....

frenchfancy Mon 11-Feb-13 16:36:49

PORRIDGE You should eat your TDEE on non-fast days.

Lacka I have never done 2 days together, I always have 1 or 2 days of normal eating between my fast days. And as your non-fast days are just normal eating days you have effectively already started.

bmj I appreciate you are worried, but I think if you are restricting every day then it will be much more difficult to stick to. Why not Have the weekends off. So have 2 fast days and 3 CR days during the week, then just eat normally at the weekends. Don't binge, but don't count either. I think that way you are much more likely to stick to it and achieve your long term goal.

Welcome to all the newbies. There seems to be a lot of new starters today.

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Feb-13 16:44:16

Well done fillybuster on your "let's get straight back to it" attitude, that's fab!
Can I just put in a little request though - about the "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" statement? Whilst I know what you mean, this statement is widely adopted by the pro anorexia community and therefore has very unhealthy connotations so think it might be best to avoid it in the context of what we're all hoping is a lifelong, health enhancing woe.
I don't want to sound all preachy but hope you folk all understand?

Itsaboatjack Mon 11-Feb-13 16:49:57

Hi all, another fast day for me today and I went the longest time without food so far, from 7pm last night till 4pm today so 21hrs!

LackaDAISYcal do you have any more info on why fasting 2 days together may be more beneficial?

BMJ I'm also a dieter or binger so am using MFP to get my head round what 'normal' eating is. So last week I had 3 fast days, 2 days just under TDEE, 1 day just over and yesterday I just stopped counting as it was getting ridiculous as I was just having one of those days when I couldn't seem to stop picking. I definitely find it easier when I am working/busy, yesterday was a lazy day at home.

Well done to all first day fasters, I hope it's going well.

Arrghh - The DDs are having pizza for supper and they have left all the little crusty bits that i normally hoover up for them. This is testing my will power, not long until my roast veg and chilli chicken is ready.

theheadgirl Mon 11-Feb-13 17:31:03

Another new starter! I've lurked, read the book, watched horizon, read all the links and now feel ready to give it a go

Got weighed and measured this morning. I'm 5'3", and weigh 10'4" so have a BMI of 26. Not desperately overweight but I'll be 48 this year and I'm getting more and more egg shaped! Today my waist was 33 inch but I was 39 inch around the abdomen. Too much for a short arse. I figure this is worth a go......

I had porridge with raspberries for breakfast (200 cal) and have just had lentil soup with a slice of granary toast (300 cal). It's gone well all day whilst I've been at work but I need to keep busy to stop myself snacking tonight. It took a will of iron not to pick at the DDs leftovers!

Hasywell Mon 11-Feb-13 18:02:07

Hello all from a newbie and lurker! Have been following this WOE for 4 weeks now and have lost 7lbs and about 2 inches from waist! Have found all your stories informative, inspiring and motivating. Today is a fast day and this time I went from 6.30pm through to 1pm today before having soup and a banana. Found this much easier than when I have been having breakfast then supper. Tonight will be a turkey and veg stir fry. Thanks for all the support that is given on these threads!

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Feb-13 18:24:26

Wow, well done Hasywell hope to see similar impact when I get on the scales at the end of this week (after 4 fasts in two weeks). And welcome from your lurking status!

Emandlu Mon 11-Feb-13 18:39:20

I had cinnamon porridge with apple this morning and then I've had bolognese with spinach instead of pasta. I had a coffee first thing and have drunk lemon and ginger tea or water for the rest of the day. It's come in at 478 calories according to MFP. I have to add 10 calories for medications that I take too disappointingly.

I have found this first day really hard but have stuck to it as I know I can eat normally tomorrow and it won't be a problem.

I am finding myself thinking that there must be something I can have for 12 calories to round the numbers off grin

Well I haven't fou nd my first fast day too bad so far.

Had two poached eggs and a ryvita for lunch just before 1pm.
Have just had a Moroccan chick pea soup from the Good food site with a dollop of yoghurt.
Have deen drinking tea with skim milk and herbal teas all day.
Still have 113 calories left
I think I will have a couple of Ryvitas with low fat philadephia now with a cuppa.

May end up going to bed early to avoid temptation though!

GiraffesEatPineapples Mon 11-Feb-13 18:57:08

BMJ - what about paul mckenna for non fast days if you are worried about calorie counting and want to learn to eat more normally. Sounds like we have similar 'ishoes' with food and I have been thinking about trying that alongside 5:2

Ninunina Mon 11-Feb-13 19:16:35

First day fasting hasn't been all that bad, but I am normally the hungriest in the evening so I need to keep myself occupied. So far I've consumed 400kcal so I can treat myself to something if I get desperate. It's good to see that there are a few people starting today too. I can't wait to see if this WOE will actually work for me. Fingers crossed xxx

Fast day 5 went well - held off until 6.45pm and enjoyed a lovely lovely veggie butterbean stew, and stewed apples and yogurt. Feel stuffed and not at all as if I'm dieting - just as if I had a busy day too rushed to eat and came home to a nice supper.

But I did wake up this morning with completely inexplicable knee pain that's been bothering me all day confused. Still - incentive to continue with this WOE if ever there was one!

Welcome to the newcomers - you're in the right place and making me feel like an old hand grin

BsshBossh Mon 11-Feb-13 19:36:53

Another good fasting day is coming to an end for me. Haven't eaten since last night yet even had the energy to workout for 45 minutes at the gym (including my first Couch to 5k). My body has really adjusted to fasting days and I particularly look forward to my Monday ones as I always overindulge at weekends (lots of social eating) so my digestion welcomes Monday's long break. I'm still feeling super cold on fast days though - I'm home with the heating on at full blast and wearing thermals under two layers! DH started 6:1 last week and is very fit with no weight to lose (he's doing it solely for health reasons) and he's freezing too.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 20:19:56

Fasting day almost over & I've found it really hard today I actually think the hardest since I started but its almost over yay.

Dotty342kids Mon 11-Feb-13 20:29:34

I didn't find the hunger too bad today. Went to about 2.00 when I had a boiled egg and some grapes. Then had lentil / squash curry and a chapatti at 6ish. But have really been craving some chocolate. Think it may have been because I was eating some last night and so now I've got the taste for it again!
So I had a small chocolate truffle! Not ideal but not a dealbreaker either!

stickygingerbread Mon 11-Feb-13 20:48:51

ManVsFood - stewed apples - what a good idea.

Sorry all for the controversial calculator posted upthread. I couldn't find the original one I used, so I just grabbed one of the top google results. blush but it contributed to some good discssion so it wasn't a total loss. grin

But swallowed if you can recall where you might have read that gaining around the middle has been debunked as a health risk I would like to read it as I am very much looking to improve long term health indicators.

My work has just offered employees an 2-month weekly educational program on diabetes with fasting glucose measures at start and end - so I have signed up and am looking forward to seeing if the numbers change.

I did not start measuring waist circumference right away. After a couple of weeks doing adf (and some other changes for health), I noticed my waist had returned, and that motivated me to bring out the tape measure. So I can't be certain of what it was at the start, but in about 5 weeks, I have lost 2.5 inches at the waist. Definitely more than that overall as I am now in week 8. It's incredible! There is still much more to lose judging by how many inches can be pinched, but it is exciting progress where I had no real hope.

I made the orange and almond cake on yesterday and it is very popular. Thank you BetsyVanBell for the idea of slivered almonds on top. I had just enough on hand. I tried to make an orange honey syrup but it turned out cloying. Instead decided on a brown butter marmalade glaze that worked very well. It is nice to have it to look forward to tomorrow. What a great lifestyle.

BetsyVanBell Mon 11-Feb-13 20:59:04

Sticky, ooooh that cake [drools at concept of brown butter marmalade glaze]. Is it nearly bedtime yet? This has been one loooong fast day trapped in the house with a poorly dc.

Well done to all today's new fasters - almost there!

Newlook Mon 11-Feb-13 21:11:01

Thanks BetsyVanBell and everyone who has been encouraging new starters today - all gone well thanks to hot drinks and this thread. Thank you and well done to everyone. About to put feet up now that kids are in bed - decaff espresso awaits.... will check out the cake that is being mentioned too, sound delicious. Good luck to all those with chn on halfterm, it is harder when organising/feeding others - I had one off sick today who kept wanting to read my thread - felt all protective about it, get away!!!

parrotsandcarsnips Mon 11-Feb-13 21:14:17

This is week 4 for me and dh and i managed a longer fast from 8pm last night until 5pm so pleased with that. I was off work so found myself busy clearing out attic.
I am still feeling cold and im glad to have my thermals.
We have had the chicken stir fry mentioning on a linked blog, it was tasty and filling.
Looking forward to slow cooking delicious stew tomorrow night.

whethergirl Mon 11-Feb-13 21:20:54

How do any of you find fast days when it's your period? For one thing, for about a week I am ravenously hungry, but also I do bleed quite heavily - am wondering if I should avoid doing the fast those days, although I don't like to break my routine.

DoubleMum Mon 11-Feb-13 21:23:38

Hello all, I did my first fast yesterday and it went well so I think I'm a 5:2er now (but also on the Chiefs thread, hello to any fasting Chiefs!). I've been using MFP for 5 weeks and am steadily losing weight but this seemed a good WOL to stabilise my relationship with food. I need to lose an awful lot so it's got to be very much a long term thing. But it's fat that's been around all my life and just gradually got added to, so it's no surprise it will take a long time to shift. I'm feeling quite confident it will go, this time.
I've read most of the previous threads and wanted to say a huge thankyou thanks to the regulars who've answered so many questions and shared so many tips.

needtaloseit Mon 11-Feb-13 21:26:31

hey all, just finnishing my first fast day.. was hard enough I might say, but kept thinking only for one day. I am doing the alternated day on day off.. Just wondering if anyone could fill me in regards to what you should eat on your eat days, do you eat what you fancy but obviously not overeat but do have that slice of pizza and wedges with dinner ???

parrotsandcarsnips Mon 11-Feb-13 21:29:37

whethergirl i would definitely struggle pre-period as i seem to need extra calories (and sleep) prior to my TOM but once it arrives I'm fine. Can you adjust your days to suit?

npg1 Mon 11-Feb-13 21:36:33

First fasting day done!

2 weetabix and skimmed milk for breakfast
cup a soup and 2 ryvitas for lunch and an apple
2 weetabix and skimmed milk for dinner.

Now feeling quite hungry and want chocolate!

My TDEE is 1835, is that how many caleries to eat in a day?

stickygingerbread Mon 11-Feb-13 21:41:20

Betsy this is so wrong to dwell on here, but the Ottolenghi polenta version mentioned by snowkey (I think) is an intriguing upside-down cake that could only be improved by adding crushed nuts to the topping ... Apologies all - I find that on fast days my mind obsessively plots new recipes. It is really expanding my repertoire.

On the healthy side we made cauliflower rice for the first time and are really pleased with the possibilities there. Also going to do baby bok choi for next fast day, having never made those myself before. All tips & advice welcomed.

I find it interesting how everyone finds what suits them for fast days, which shows how flexible this approach is. For me, I have gradually moved toward eating only lunch on a fast day. In the evening if necessary I have a bit more. I never liked breakfast or going to bed full so this feels very natural. Also it allows 2 16-ish hour stretches.

notapizzaeater Mon 11-Feb-13 21:43:25

2nd fast day just about done ....

Lunch diet cup a soup and apple ( about 2pm)
Tea roasted butternut squash and boiled egg
Supper low fat chocolate Horlicks

Currently about 400 calories. Should I eat something to get to 500 or is 400 ok ?

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 21:44:48

Already said that I found today very hard but this thread got me through, howling with laughter & I thoroughly recommend it if you have a couple of hours spare www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/1056940-to-think-this-couple-are-bonkers?msgid=37196043#37196043

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 11-Feb-13 21:51:14

And from laska who has suggested you look at the following delicious recipes in case you are feeling especially peckish www.candyboots.com/wwcards.html

whethergirl Mon 11-Feb-13 22:00:36

thanks parrotsandcarsnips, I may need to adjust my days as I seem to need extra calories too, but reluctant to change days as then I might start getting lax.

I have a soup query also! Normally on a fast day, I have a Tesco carton of soup which is about 250 cals. I was going to look into buying low calorie soups but wondered if they would not be as filling, and therefore counterproductive?

stickygingerbread Mon 11-Feb-13 22:16:13

whethergirl I have only been through it once so far, but found it exceptionally hard and modified the fasts to be greater than 500, but still less than a normal day.

Also, had terrible leg cramp that occurred at the same time, so added some calcium/magnesium/zinc and potassium supplementation. Not sure if that was coincidence or not. The only other time I've had leg cramp was while pg.

I think next time I will just allow slack and modify as necessary. After all, you can go back on track after.

needtaloseit welcome fellow adf'er. I think the consensus has been that adf allows more leeway to on-day eating since it would be hard to eat above the TDEE on adf, but then you do want to have a healthy overall relationship with food and nutrition - which means good nutrition on the one hand, but no obsessive guilt and suffering on the other. So yes have some pizza and/or wedges if that is what you want - no guilt. In a way we have to work out step by step our relationship with food on the eating days as much as on the off-days.

whethergirl Mon 11-Feb-13 22:23:28

Thanks stickygingerbread, it would make sense to be a little lax on period days, however, time of the month has always been my downfall during previous diets, that's why I'm feeling a bit anxious about it. I've ruined so many diets around that time and then found it really hard to get back on track. Sometimes it's taken me a couple of weeks to get back to dieting, and then it's not long before TOM strikes again!

politico Mon 11-Feb-13 22:23:32

Hi everyone, can I come and join you please?

I am just about to finish my first ever fast, and am quite excited to have survived!! About 3 hours ago I was all set to go to bed but I've been reading through the thread, getting really inspired to stay motivated and keep at it. Thank you!

I go back to work from mat leave in 2 months and would like to not still be looking pregnant when that happens - I have about a stone and a half to lose, so it's unlikely to go by then, but I want to make a good start. Plus I want to have the energy to chase after my little boy. I've tried weightwatchers before, it didn't work for me, and I love food too much to restrict myself every day. I comfort eat, and I am sick and tired of not being in control, to be honest. I am hoping this new WOL is the answer.

So, today I had a poached egg on toasted rye bread at 1pm, just black coffee and green tea before that, and then one of those (really tasty actually) Innocent veg pots for my tea at 6pm, because I got a bit stuck and couldn't think of anything I actually wanted to eat. And lots of water throughout the day. I'm just under the 500cal mark I think. I've felt a bit hollow and a touch lightheaded when out for a walk earlier, but that passed with more water. It's not been easy but not as hard as I thought either.

Going to fast again on thursday!!

BsshBossh Mon 11-Feb-13 22:26:07

Hello DoubleMum smile

whethergirl I become a food hoover in the run-up to TOM. I scare myself at how desperate I become to eat. And I do eat. But I then take a two week hiatus from weighing and try and cut down on my food after TOM to balance it all out.

Haven't done 5:2 on TOM yet but I think I might not fast that week (if the food cravings ensue) and then eat at a 15-20% reduction of my TDEE to limit the damage. We'll see...

emmafifema Mon 11-Feb-13 22:26:28

OK, So first fasting day today and it wasn't easy peasy but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, this is what i had:

Brekkie: 25g porridge with 125ml skimmed milk (8am)
2pm I had about 70g of raw carrot to take my pills
Dinner: A range of veggies in homemade curry sauce and a boiled egg

Dranks lots and lots of black coffee and black tea

Totaled around 500cals for the day :-)

Next fasting day is Wednesday...PANCAKE DAY TOMORROW WAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!

BsshBossh Mon 11-Feb-13 22:27:01

* from weighing myself

whethergirl Mon 11-Feb-13 22:32:06

it's crazy isn't it BsshBossh, I'm the same, I really panic eat. Will consider taking a week off a month actually, that might work better than failing.

Well done, emmafifema! I'm on my 3rd today, I drink lots of tea/coffee too (don't forget to add those cals up), unfortunately I am averse to water.

Woopsiedaisy Mon 11-Feb-13 23:02:55

ciderwithbuda thanks for your advice. I have never heard of a Magnesium / Migraine link before but know I do sometimes have leg cramps which are associated with Magnesium deficiency.

I will try taking extra Magnesium to see if it helps the Migraine !

Breadandwine Mon 11-Feb-13 23:09:26

do [you] have that slice of pizza and wedges with dinner ???

needtaloseit check out the calorie counted pizza - and wedges - on the recipe thread.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing is off limits on an eating day - provided you don't overdo it, of course!

Emma have a look at the calorie counted flour and water pancake recipe on the same thread. Cost about a penny each and less than 100 calories for each pancake - including lemon and sugar! smile

politico Welcome to the thread - and welcome to all the newcomers today.

About sticking to the limits:
When I began IFing, nearly 12 months ago, there wasn't a lot of info about, so I began by halving my calorie intake on two days a week, and I still lost weight - as I said at the time, without even trying! Only when the Horizon programme came out in August did I go to the full <600 calories.

And I know Piebaldrider goes over her <500 quite regularly - and she is an inspirational loser! (Over the 2 stone mark I know she won't mind me saying.)

This WOL is very flexible, you can tweak it how you like. If something doesn't work, try a different approach. It will work for everyone, eventually!

Cheers and good luck (you won't need it! smile) to you all, B&W

Minimammoth Mon 11-Feb-13 23:16:51

I haven't read the whole thread but I need to drop a couple of stone. So I just thought I'd eat less. I get bloated when I eat certain foods and have a few allergies. Got to start now.

scripsi Tue 12-Feb-13 00:53:16

Me again, still carrying on with 5:2 (haven't posted for a while due to RL distractions). I am finding it quite easy now and frequently re-read the Dr MM book.
Some thoughts now I have been doing it for a few months: I am better with solid food, so for example better if I have a slice of rye bread which has the same calories as a bowl of soup, because I just get so hungry after the soup. I know that soup is meant to be wonderfully filling but it doesn't seem to work for me (which is a pity as I really love it). I wonder if some people just respond better to solids.
Otherwise I often feel really full the day after fasting (before I have eaten much - interesting).
One other thing, I was stuck with very few food choices while travelling for work last week and ended up at a small Prezzo restaurant and had one of their light pizzas, just a very tiny version of the ordinary pizza plus salad: not very substantial. This wasn't a fast day but most of the other choices were just incredibly high calorie. I later thought that I could have ordered an ordinary Fiorentina with no cheese at all, just the tomato sauce on the base (and instead sprinkle a teaspoon of parmesan on it as that would be enough cheese for me). I am not sure how I might calculate the reduction in calories (as a Fiorentina is apparently normally around 900 calories, but I suspect much of that will be the cheese).

ThinkICan Tue 12-Feb-13 01:30:24

Giraffe - what's this Paul Mckenna you are talking about? A quick sum-up and how it can help, please?
Stickygingerbread - I read too about how being apple-shaped is not bad as it has been touted to be. Will try and find it for you. Good news for people like me!

ThinkICan Tue 12-Feb-13 03:20:51

www.dailypioneer.com/home/online-channel/health-a-fitness/126904-asthma-drug-shows-promise-in-treating-diabetes-obesity.html
This is an article which talks of an asthma drug helping to treat obesity. What I found interesting was this: "One of the reasons that diets are so ineffective in producing weight loss for some people is that their bodies adjust to the reduced calories by also reducing their metabolism, so that they are 'defending' their body weight," says Alan Saltiel, director of the University of Michigan's Life Sciences Institute (LSI), which conducted the study.
Maybe this is why we plateau after initial success. Our body is fighting to hold on to the fat!

ThinkICan Tue 12-Feb-13 03:23:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12702227 This is the article stickygingerbread about doubts emerging on whether being apple-shaped increases heart risk. It reiterates that obesity is bad, wherever the fat is concentrated though.

Ezzza Tue 12-Feb-13 06:07:34

Well this is really interesting. Today is scheduled as a fast day for me but it started going wrong quite early on, but as a result I have learned some things which may help me.

As I said in my post yesterday, today is weigh day but, as expected, I’ve stayed the same weight. I think I should go back to weighing myself once a fortnight as that seemed to give me a psychological advantage. As others have said, the weight loss isn’t linear, so one week I’ll have a good loss, but the week after a big loss I’ll almost always stay the same. I always tell myself this is perfectly normal but that doesn’t stop me pouting just a little bit when it happens. So having stayed the same weight this week, even though I was expecting it, I was feeling a little pouty this morning.

Weighing myself once a fortnight I almost always get a lower reading each time and avoid the poutiness. A friend has asked if she can have my set of bathroom scales when I go home as I was going to have to leave them behind anyway. I think I will ignore this week’s reading, weigh myself next Tuesday as my fortnightly weigh-in and then give my friend the scales straight away so that I’m not tempted to jump on the scales again until I’m back in the UK.

Lesson One: I shouldn’t weigh myself more often than once a fortnight.

I had arranged to meet a friend in KFC this morning. What!? shock Meeting in KFC on a fast day?! What were you thinking!? You may well ask, but it’s a pretty good venue to meet up with friends, due to lack of comfy affordable cafés here, and not particularly being a big fan of KFC I have spent hours in there on fast days at least once a week since I got here without being the slightest bit tempted. I think there must definitely be something to the notion that junk food is addictive. Since I have been forced (I’m not kidding, I’ve honestly had no choice due to circumstances sad, see previous posts for reasons) to eat junk food all week on non-fast days, today I was, for the very first time in 5 months, really tempted to chuck in the towel and scoff a big bucket of fried chicken.

Lesson Two: Junk food really is addictive, so when I get the opportunity to eat real food again I will take it.

Then, when my friend still hadn’t turned up five minutes after the time we’d arranged I realised I’d gone to the wrong KFC. blush So after sending an apologetic text I felt very sheepish and even poutier than before, and was even more tempted by that big bucket of fried chicken. I decided to try to stick to the fast so I left KFC and planned to just go home, stopping at the bakery to get the fruit slice thing I usually have for breakfast on a non-fast. This is not normally a problem for me as the only other things that bakery sells are either ridiculous prices or not something I like… except today. Today they had huge chunks of chocolate sponge cake for only 4 yuan. So there I was, stood in the bakery, pouting for all of the above reasons plus the fact that the internet in my building is still not working so to go online I have to go somewhere else. I suddenly felt like I couldn’t muster any more willpower to stick to today’s fast, nor could I face the prospect of spending the entire afternoon in my room with no internet to distract me. So I got the fruit slice for tomorrow and one of the big hunks of cake. I managed to muster just enough willpower not to shovel the cake right there on the pavement and instead decided to give up on the fast day, call this a 5:2 week (I do 4:3 due to a low TDEE and a stubborn refusal to count a single calorie on non-fast days), go home, eat the cake with a cuppa and then take my laptop into Starbucks for the afternoon, which would mean another cinnamon swirl as I still refuse to spend 30 yuan on coffee… and maybe end up in KFC again for dinner. blush

So I went home, and at the bottom of my cuppa, after having eaten the cake, I felt much more like myself again. It occurred to me that it wasn’t really cake, but more like sponge and had probably been steamed rather than baked. I then noticed it had a kilojoule count on the packet: 1045kJ for the whole thing, which I worked out to be about 250 kcal. Hmm… ‘not too disastrous’ I thought to myself. Now feeling much more myself I worked out I could probably get something small to nibble at 6pm (10am UK time so not long to go now smile) from the supermarket for under 250 kcal and salvage the day. So instead of taking my laptop to Starbucks, here I am, sat on a damp wall outside a building I found on campus with an unsecured WiFi connection to post this (MN is also addictive it seems blush), feeling pleased with myself for managing to salvage a fast day for the very first time. (In 5 months I’ve given up on about 4 or 5 fast days, each time because of proper hunger for real food. This was the first time I nearly gave in to emotional hunger. Although I am jonesing for real food too, but there isn’t anywhere to get any. sad)

Lesson Three: next time I feel like I can’t carry on with a fast day I’ll eat something, drink something and wait half an hour before deciding to call it a non-fast day

Lesson Four: there is no situation so dire that cannot be improved by a good cuppa tea!

I’m relieved actually, this week has been really expensive. I’ve been spending around 60 yuan (about £6) a day just on food this week when I normally only spend 14 yuan. 60 yuan a day may not sound like much, but when your weekly everything budget is just 200 yuan it’s painful!

Oh I’ve done it again: really long post. Sorry. blush

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 06:33:53

Ezzza Well done for turning your fast day around. Good lessons for us all I think.

I'm eating today,and going to my favourite restaurant for lunch smile Sould taste even better after a fast day.

ezzza well done for salvaging and there are some good tips there - particularly eat something and wait an hour before deciding to call quits on the fast day. i'll remember that one.

fast day here today and my training day at work thankfully so it will be easy for the day part at least. between training sessions i'm meant to be rushing off to view a house which requires some fast walking to make it there and back in time plus then i'll be walking home from work so plenty of good enough exercise on an empty stomach.

probably totally unconnected but sunday night after eating lamb at my sisters i came home and was violently sick. it's quite normal for lamb to give me a bit of an upset tummy the next day (i presume too rich for my stomach - very high fat content i think) but i've never thrown up before. then last night i started feeling really sick in the evening.

not sure what's going on but hope it doesn't happen today as often the only thing that quiets nausea for me is to nibble on salty snacks.

sorry probably totally nothing to do with this woe unless my stomach has gotten more sensitive to things that aren't good for it or something.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Feb-13 06:40:33

ezzza well done its a great feeling getting through a difficult fast day isn't it? I found yesterday very tough but felt really proud of myself that I came through with 20 calories to spare.

damn - i made the mistake of getting on the scales! a few pounds back up - though still under where i started by 3lbs and well aware it could be as simple as eating salty crap yesterday and retaining water.

think i'm going to make the rule only to weigh the morning after fasts. in between the weight obviously goes up again a bit but one would hope the post fast weight is going in a downward pattern.

see if i was calorie controlled or some other daily slog diet this would be really discouraging and prove it wasn't working blah blah blah. this way it doesn't have to be because it's going to go up and down a bit and i'm just looking for an overall downward trend.

DoubleMum Tue 12-Feb-13 07:39:17

Ezzza you're an inspiration for making all that effort. I shall remember your determination today when I'm trying to stick to my 2nd fast day. I spent some time in China in 1993 just after the first McDonalds opened in Beijing and I don't recall eating much in the way of healthy food!
My tentative plan for today was to make it until tonight without food so I had a 24 hr fast but I've unthinkingly made myself a normal cup of tea so I guess that means I've broken the fast. I can still make it a 500 cal day though.

ErikNorseman Tue 12-Feb-13 07:49:18

Swallowed it is vital that you only weigh after fast days! Though be aware that salt/fat/alcohol can screw up your levels for several dats after. I usually weigh on a sat after a week of fasting and being sensible. I weighed today after a heavy weekend and I'm 2lb up. I know it's not real weight but it's annoying!

politico Tue 12-Feb-13 08:05:12

First day after the first fast. What a weird night - I slept pretty badly, had really vivid dreams and was apparently shouting in my sleep. Has anyone else experienced this, and does it go as your body adjusts?

Feel like I could eat a horse this morning but have settled for my normal toast and tea.

Minimammoth Tue 12-Feb-13 08:10:23

What are the rules then. Are we not supposed to weigh in regularly. What the timings for fast days ie how long.

ErikNorseman Tue 12-Feb-13 08:13:57

Politico - a lot of people had funny things as they adjust to fasting. It does get massively easier.
Minimammoth there is loads of info in the opening post. There are no rules about weigh ins, just advice. A fast needs to be over a waking day.

Ninunina Tue 12-Feb-13 08:14:26

scripsi I just finished my first fast day and I totally agree that I feel full this morning. Haven't had anything to eat or drink yet. Should I avoid eating until hungry?
I've noticed that quite a few of you are fasting for long stretches. Is there an advantage doing this over sticking to >500 calories eaten throughout the day. I ate my first meal at 1:30pm yesterday, not because I was particularly hungry, but more because I was worried I'd attack the food at a party if I didn't eat something.
I'm thinking I need to go out and buy some decaf coffee. I drank a lot more I than usual yesterday and found it quite hard to get to sleep. Does anyone find that instant decaf sinks? I had tried to drink it a few times when I was pregnant but hated the smell of it. Do you think that was a pregnancy thing or does it actually stink.

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 08:16:42

I think if you have an emotional response when looking at the scales then it needs to be done with caution and ideally only after the second fast of the week. If it's heartbreaking to see an upward move then just don't weigh in daily. I weigh myself too often these days but I don't let a 'wrong' result set the tone of my day plus I know that a rise is dictated by so many things other than actual, proper weight gain. However, I got overweight (nay, obese) by never looking at the scales so monitoring is essential, but not too often!

You are here because you've managed to discipline your eating, now's the time to discipline your weigh-ins too. The mirror is a useful daily guide, as are waistbands.

Apologies if that came across as bossy x

Wowzers what a read this morning!

Ezzza thanks for taking the time to post that. You should consider a blog! It's absolutely fantastic insights. I'm planning a fortnightly weigh in, if that - because I know how badly and irrationally I respond to a 1lb gain or even just no loss. I rant and wail like a madwoman and does no-one any good, least of all DH. And you're SO right - the temptation to just write a day off because of an early slip-up is so strong, but it's not essential...

Swallowed hope you're feeling bonnier today. Personally I would rather die than be sick - although in some ways I would welcome it if I suddenly became totally intolerant to fatty food grin

Mina have you seen the really long opening post? There's tons and tons of links and advice on exactly what to do...

well, yesterday I really enjoy the fast day - and I'm doing another today. I feel very very bloated and sluggish and would like to get a proper head start - so I'm planning on a total 24 hour fast, then at 6.30ish (ate early yesterday) getting stuck into a non-calorie-counted dinner (of PANCAKES!!!!)

I am assuming that since MM did, initially, a 4 day consecutive fast, that doing 48 hours on 500 cals and breaking that fast with a lovely big dinner won't kill me.

Because I have been fat all my life, and now I'm fat and getting old and I'm not young and pretty anymore, so it's time I tried really, really, really hard. Anyway, wish me luck!

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 08:25:34

Ninunina I think all instant coffee is a bit stinky! But yes, decaff is worse, don't they decaffeinate it with solvents? Can't be good for you. Maybe it's worth investigating other hot drink options? I'm drinking so much herbal tea on fast days that I now have a whole shelf devoted to them! I prefer Barley cup to instant coffee - only from health food shops though I think, annoyingly. As for when to eat on fast days and feed days, just experiment and see what works for you - and well done on doing your first fast!

Just broke my fast with some fruit and yogurt - so full now. I have to be really careful about what I eat the day after a fast, a large portion of anything carby makes me feel awful - just reminding myself before the little darlings start demanding pancakes!

Ezza God I feel for you, wishing I could conjure up some lovely, lightly steamed fresh veg for you smile You're very impressive for keeping it up in difficult circumstances.

Skullnbones Tue 12-Feb-13 08:31:41

Right I have been doing this for a few months and been maintaining my weight which is great as that is all I wanted to do. However I have gone a bit mad over dec and jan and actually gained weight, whilst fasting.

I have never eaten over 200O cals on a feed day. Normally around 1700.
I walk 5 miles 5 days a week.
I fast twice a week, low carb, higher protien.

Does anyone have any tips as to what I am doing wrong?
Typical fast day can be a couple of ryvita first thing(less than 100cals) and a 400 cal dinner of soup, stir fry or what ever.

Help!

Woke up this morning and started my non fast day not really hungry at all, a glass of hot waer and lemon and a small bowl of shreddies with skimmed milk and raisins and I feel bloated! Plans are to try and avoid snacking so I can enjoy pankaes tonight with out going over my non fast day calories.

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 08:34:40

Manvsfood Go for it! If you're in the frame of mind for another fast, why not! And good luck smile

I'm naturally finding that it's best to limit my post-fast day food intake and feel very peculiar if I don't. So now I have this routine (ideally):

Monday - fast
Tuesday - limited intake (via small, low carb meals)
Wednesday - normal
Thursday - fast
Friday - limited intake
Sat/Sun - normal plus baking(!)

Hence only paying attention to weigh-ins on Friday morning!

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 08:39:47

Skullnbones What do you mean by 'going a bit mad'? I assume you mean you've been eating more? Maybe you need to look at what you were eating when you were losing weight before December and compare that to what you are doing now. Do you keep a food diary or log everything on MFP so you can check?

Snowkey Tue 12-Feb-13 08:40:10

There are no rules with weigh in times - just know how you cope with fluctuations. I was 5lbs up yesterday - it helped me fast knowing that I needed to....had the scales been kinder I'd have felt less motivated. I'm a daily weigher - I record those daily weights so I know how the fluctuations move.....mind you even for fluctuations 5lb is a lot but I had cramps and felt bloated - I knew it was water. Looking at my stats though if I was to choose a frequency to avoid an emotional response it would not be weekly - it's not long enough to escape the variations, fortnightly or monthly would be better.

Ninunina Tue 12-Feb-13 08:45:34

betsey I heard that they use lots of chemicals to decaffeinate coffee beans, but I also read that some brands do it simply with water. I must look into it again.
Unfortunately I can't stand herbal tea. I will try Barley cup though. I generally like sticking to natural stuff so hopefully I'll like it. Failing that it will have to be hot water with lemon and 1 or 2 cups of coffee.

I'll have another read through the opening thread since I must have missed the bit about fasting. I remember reading that fasting for 16 hours is good, but watching horizon confused me since he would eat breakfast and dinner.

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 08:49:55

I'm the same snowkey I weigh most days and the increases are motivating rather than demoralising. I've found a lot less daily fluctuation since I started IF which is interesting - I guess I'm retaining less water at the moment. My weight changes always seemed a lot more random previously.

betsy tesco's organic instant coffee is delicious - not cheap but cheaper than the supposed luxury instant coffee brands and much, much nicer. you can actually taste coffee! i think it's the absence of chemicals - apparently coffee is one of the most sprayed crops on earth.

thanks for thoughts folks. i can can can fast today and i can lose this weight. we all can.

silverbeetle Tue 12-Feb-13 09:19:32

Politico I also did my first fast yesterday and I also had a horrible night.

I managed 24 hours then ate a M&S count on us vege moussaka and a very large plate of salad. Was fine during the day, just drank tap water & lemon juice, black coffee, herbal tea and sparkling water.

During the night had bad stomach cramps and had to get up for the loo twice!
Still don't feel quite right this morning, not hungry but managed a bowl of porridge.

Hope I don't suffer from this after every Fast day.
Anyone got any ideas? Perhaps I overdid the salad or lemon juice?

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 09:21:33

swallowed Sounds good - I only buy coffee beans these days: fair trade and now you've said about crop spraying it'll be organic only from now on too... [middleclasscoffeesnobemoticon] wink

artemis17 Tue 12-Feb-13 09:21:34

Morning all.
Non fast for me although apart from hot water & lemon ive not eaten yet as just cant do breakfast!. Will have lunch then pancakes later smile. Had slightly under 500 cal yday and exercised, although tried a ww ocean pie-yuk!!.

Really hope for a weight loss this week, only weigh myself on a fri morn after my 2nd fast of the week.

Minimammoth Tue 12-Feb-13 09:23:56

blush off to read opening post thoroughly.

artemis17 Tue 12-Feb-13 09:25:02

Oh meant to say i sleep really well on a fast day smile fall into bed at 10 then thats me til 7...

Yes, me too - sleep loads better on a fast day than a foodie day, when I tend to feel a bit bilious (but this is because I have been over-doing it - learning to redress this!)

I slept like a log last night too, the best sleep I've had in ages.

CodandLobster Tue 12-Feb-13 09:39:19

Hello, can I join in? Not new to MN (although new name - didn't like my old one!) but new to 5:2!

Hadn't heard about it until 3 weeks ago when my Mum said about it when DrMM was on TV. Got the book and started 2 weeks ago today. Thought I would find it hard on the fast days, but I haven't at all.

I went straight for no food all day and a 500 kcal dinner, as I know that the more I have for breakfast, the hungrier I feel etc. The first day I was really craving something savoury by 4pm and had a mug of Bovril, which was brilliant. So that is a sort of "treat" to have, but in the 2nd week I didn't really feel I needed even that.

Then at dinner have been having fish or chicken and loads of veg. It's been fine.

So far the results have been brilliant. In 2 weeks exactly I have lost 10lbs!! I know that rate can't last, but it's a great start and really encouraging me to keep it up.

I'm not really counting calories on non-fast days, but do find myself now looking at foods I'm about to eat and realising that it would be nearly all the fast day calories in one go and being really put off, thinking aboout the massive amount of fish and veg I could have instead. Have had chocolate, cake, bread, pizza, though, so it's not stopped me that much!

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 09:39:35

I usually sleep better on a fast day but then don't sleep well with too much food in my belly anyway. I don't need nearly as much sleep though - so wake up early but without that sluggish feeling that an early start usually entails.

There are a lot of stomach bugs around too...

Or it could just be your body acclimatising to a different way of eating?

Skullnbones Tue 12-Feb-13 09:41:32

Bestsy...by a bit mad I mean I ate more than usual. Yep I have mfp and I never went over 2000. My tdee is 1940 so I am a bit confused. I am not overweight, I am still (just) writhin my healthy weight, but am edging to the higher end of it. I like to be the lower-middling end.

I just don't seem to be losing any with fasting anymore despite a lot of walking and yoga twice a week. I have (for feb) eating healthily on feed days.
confused

SpiralSkies Tue 12-Feb-13 09:45:29

Skullnbones You sound as if you're in the same boat as me. I've been doing this since August and am exactly the same weight as I was then. Saying that, I'd lost a couple of stone doing Dukan and was 'being careful' every single day. So I was happy to maintain, considering over that time I've had gastro weekends in France and whatnot.

My weight has crept up, gone down again, maintained, gone up... I keep telling myself I'm doing this for the health benefits and I do feel fab but I bloomin wish this last half stone would sod off!

All we can do is hang in there - we're reaping so many other benefits and, to be fair, I'm really enjoying my grub and having a much better relationship with eating than I ever have done. So if that means maintaining - or going up to 4:3 - then so be it.

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 09:54:11

Skullnbones I don't lose weight on 5:2 unless I do some high impact exercise - 20mins running or a longer cycle a couple of times a week.

I've never been a calorie counter before - I lost the bulk of my excess weight through keeping a food/exercise diary and adjusting my eating/exercise habits accordingly. However, since doing 5:2 I've been working out calories on MFP (not everyday but often enough to compare with my food diary entries) and if I actually ate to my so-called TDEE everyday I would definitely put on weight confused.

Obviously the health benefits are paramount but a stable weight is also a nice thing! So maybe introduce a bit more cardio exercise and have a couple of days where you eat substantially less, so if doing 5:2 you have 2 days of fast, 2 moderation then 3 days to be less careful with.

Daisy1407 Tue 12-Feb-13 10:23:39

Im in the same boat as Skullnbones and Spiralskies - only 2 weeks in but havent lost anything - im 28 and 5 ft 3 weighing 9 stone 9 currently - I log everything on Fitness pall apart from Friday and Saturday nights. I currently do fast days Monday and Wednesday and then Tuesday and thursday have about 1200 kcal - I excercise about 3 times a week half hour plus on the crosstrainer and zumba.....i know this diet isnt all about losing the weight but i do want to lose 9lb to get to my goal. I lost 2 stone last year on the cambridge diet - very expensive, however it did work and i managed to keep it off because i was really strict; however my other friends who were on Cambridge at the same time have me have all put thier weight back on and some more.....I love this 5:2 diet as its cheap and the benefits seem amazing! I just want to see the scales move slighlty - weigh day monday! (after a binge weekend - maybe this is where im going wrong!)

OH well Good luck to everyone today who is fasting and to those who are not - HAPPY PANCAKE DAY x

catsrus Tue 12-Feb-13 10:24:17

anyone who's at a plateau on 5:2 - and is not finding fasting difficult - I would strongly suggest you just fit in some more fast days as a first measure to kick start it again. We are trying to eat like thin(healthy thin!) people, and thin people simply don't eat the amount of food we've been eating blush. I went out for a sushi with an always-slim friend, it was not a fast day and I made healthy choices (apart from the wine wine) but became very aware that she simply was not eating as much as I was.

I've lost 27lb so far, am not trying to lose more ATM but am trying to get a good sense of what I need to eat at this weight (9st 5lb) to stay stable. My friend has never had the wild fluctuations in weight I've had - talking to her about it is interesting as she realises that if she's had a heavy eating day (out for a meal etc) she will compensate the next day - but has not really thought about it much envy.

I've also got a pedometer - and am shock by how little I move some days - and evidently (according to Dr M's Horizon prog on exercise) it's the constant small movement that burns more calories than the "workout" approach. I now set my alarm to go off every half hour to make me leave my desk and walk around!

keep with it - it does work, you just have to find the pattern that is right for you.

silverbeetle Tue 12-Feb-13 10:36:09

Great idea catrus, I can spend many hours sitting some days even though I walk in the evening, and it does make you feel slouchy.

I'm going to try the 30 min alarm and just walk up and down a couple of flights of stairs on desk days - thanks.

Hey, I came across this article this morning - really interesting: busts a load of 'nutrition' myths. Doesn't specifically address fasting but it makes the point that 'eating little and often throughout the day' makes no sense, and that periods without food are very good for you.

virginposter Tue 12-Feb-13 10:46:00

silverbeetle regarding the bad stomach during your first fast. I too ate nothing until my evening meal on my first fast and had the same problem of having to sit on the loo in the small hours. And I was concerned that maybe my system did not like this woe, but I have been doing this very successfully now for six months and it's never happened again. Sometimes after my evening meal on my fast days my stomach makes weird noises and I think 'uh oh' but it just passes. I wonder if you just need a little time for your stomach to get used to everything. Stick with it, it's so well worth it.

DoubleMum Tue 12-Feb-13 10:47:12

Good idea Catrus, I work at my computer at home all day and am very guilty of not getting up much. I also had years with very bad knees (had to have knee replacements 2 yrs ago) so am used to doing little because I had no choice. I need to move around more even if I can't do high-impact exercise.

virginposter Tue 12-Feb-13 10:57:53

skullandbones,spiralskies,daisy have any of you tried doing 4:3? I started with 5:2 and slowly but steadily lost weight. Then I hit a plateau for 3 weeks and decided to do 4:3 which was amazingly easy and I started to lose again, then I went back to 5:2 and then when I stopped again went back to 4:3. I've now lost 25lbs and am a size 10 (only just) but would like to lose another 5lbs and I have to do 4:3 and exercise 5 days a week as my body is reluctant to give up this last bit. Last week I lost 2lbs (the biggest loss I've had in one week!) despite going out to lunch twice and eating cake twice plus cheese, doritos etc.
I think that those of us who do not lose easily have to work just a little bit extra harder and we do get the rewards.
Give it a go, try the extra day plus extra exercise and then come back and tell us your good news grin

silverbeetle Tue 12-Feb-13 11:04:13

Thanks virginposter that's very reassuring.

I really want to stick with this, bizarrely I actually enjoyed doing a fast.

Skullnbones Tue 12-Feb-13 11:05:23

I may try the 4:3. I have a pedometer and easily walk 11000+ steps every day. I have only about 5 pounds to loose to get back to 9.7 which is where I want my weight to be.

I used to be 14 stone and have maintened my 9.7 weight for two years with little effort. Apart from a post Christmas binge month blush. 4:3 could just kick start it all for me!

Daisy1407 Tue 12-Feb-13 11:27:45

Thanks Virginposter - i think im gonna continue to do 5:2 this week as lots on and dont think i can fit another day fasting in and then i may try 4:3 next week - Brilliant!

Just tried Hummus for the first time on my non fast day - sweet chilli and its BEAUTIFUL with carrots - loved every mouthful yummy! x

SpiralSkies Tue 12-Feb-13 11:47:30

VirginPoster & Catsrus - I hear what you're saying. I'm gonna carry on as I am - to be fair, if I was that fussed about the final 7lb I'd try a bit harder - cut down on vino and cals on food days and whatnot. I s'pose I'm happy with the health benefits. Extra fast days might well come with salad season. We'll see.

Perhaps the point I was making is that those with a normal BMI, healthy lifestyle and sensible amount of exercise aren't going to see such super-fab weight loss that others with more to lose have. Being a little leaner and healthier is a good thing in itself.

The most important thing for me has been discovering and re-learning a friendly relationship with food. Those last few lbs will no doubt bugger off gradually at some point.

catsrus Tue 12-Feb-13 12:39:34

That's how I am thinking spiral - come the salad days when I'm throwing off layers of clothes rather than throwing them on - then I might tackle the last few lbs grin. I want to learn to eat for maintenance at this weight - I might find that my TDEE is so low at this weight that I would struggle to maintain a lower weight. I'd rather be comfortable in size 14 tops for the next 10 yrs than have one glorious summer of size 12's that I can't get into again (especially as I've given the 16's and 18's to the charity shop!)

Snowkey Tue 12-Feb-13 12:46:30

I started with a low BMI, 20.5 - I didn't lose much from August to Christmas and like a few others gained some weight at Christmas, not helped from lack of exercise, lack of fasting and progressively eating more and more sugar.
For January, I cut the alcohol, sugar and refined carbs and worked out 5 times a week, monitored my daily calorie intake - kept it below 1700kcal, but I did not attempt to eat back my exercise calories. I lost 11lbs, so some of it was water but my shape is back...I'm trying not to count now and I'm back to drinking alcohol but staying off sugar and refined carbs and keeping fit is something I'd like to do for life whether I fast or not.

mamamoomin2 Tue 12-Feb-13 12:48:12

Well I have found a really satisfying sweet drink that is going to be my options hot choc alternative for when I need a sweet hit - pukka licorice and mint tea! It's lovely smile

Non fast day for me and was looking forward to pancakes....but our cooker is broken and waiting for a new one so its not meants to be. Another eve of salad and cold meats....might as well be a fast day!! ;)

SpiralSkies Tue 12-Feb-13 12:50:43

Catsrus that is exactly what I was getting at. I have had one summer of being a size 10. Fab though it was, I lay awake at night totting up how many cals I'd eaten and if I had to go out on a certain night I'd be in a state worrying about how to cut back enough cals in between to accommodate it.

For me, this is about living normally - I've been on 'diets' since I was 12. Ridiculous. That's over 30 years! Having lost 2 stone on Dukan (then gaining 7 lb and losing about 3 doing this since Aug) I am at least being 'normal'. That's worth EVERYTHING. My TDEE at the mo is only around 1400, even with (moderate) exercise. More exercise, more toning. My life won't change if I lose another half stone anyway!

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Feb-13 12:58:26

I am now at my sticking point weight wise, 12st2lbs. I get down to this on most diets and then my body just likes to platau here for a while, which usually results in me giving up. So I need some mega motivation over the next week or so to push through it. I hope to be under 12st by the end of the month. I do feel positive right now so I hope it lasts. I have a couple of nights out coming next week though so my aim is to limit the alcohol and do lots of dancing.

LackaDAISYcal Tue 12-Feb-13 13:16:38

Gosh this thread moves super fast!

Will try and catch up with it all, but for Itsaboatjack according to the article in yesterday's Mail "Although the experts don't fully understand why the 2 day diet regime works so effectively, Dr Harvey says its possible that when you switch to a low carbohydrate diet, your body plunders glycogen stores in the liver for energy. When these stores run out (typically halfway through the first restricted day) the body has no option but to start to burn fat. If you then stick to the low carbohydrate regime for a further day, you could potentially reap the benefits of 36 hours of fat burning. But if you return to normal eating after just one day, glycogen stores are likely to be immediately replenished. If you split those restricted days, it means you have to run down the glycogen stores first on both days before you start to burn fat"

My book should arrive at the end of the week, I'll update more then as I'm sure the book goes into it in more detail. <disclaimer: This is the first time I have ever bought the mail, let alone read it and only bought it for the diet stuff wink>

I decided to start today...the Harvey version is low carb for two days (with an allowance of protein, veg, dairy, fat and a single portion of fruit) rather than restricted calories so no calorie counting required, though I will enter them in my fitness pal to see how it stacks up. Ham and tomatoes for breakfast, snack of milky coffee, then chicken broth with leeks and pepper for lunch and another snack of pepper and low fat soft cheese. So far so good, but my body is screaming for sugar! Any ideas on how to beat sugar cravings?

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Feb-13 13:17:20

itsaboatjack - probably best for the next couple of weeks to focus on how you're feeling rather than getting on the scales. I find that fast days I'm focused, quite full of energy and productive (probably in an effort to keep busy!). If you find that you feel good on fast days then continue doing them, enjoy them and try not to obsess about the outcome.
Hopefully if you give it at least a fortnight of good, effective fast days (the usual amount, not 14 days!), then it'll all be good when you do weigh.

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 13:22:57

lackadaisycal Love the disclaimer! Sounds interesting though, do pass on more pearls of wisdom as you read on.

The only way I've ever beaten sugar cravings is by going cold turkey and avoiding the stuff for several days. I used to regularly have to quit sugar as I get terribly addicted to the evil stuff but these days seem to be able to be moderate without going overboard - maybe the 5:2 or maybe just because I'm more in control than I was. Certainly the 2 days of absolutely no sugar (for me) seems to help a lot.

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Feb-13 13:29:16

Thanks Lackadaisycal, I do tend to keep my fast days low carb anyway, and for rl reasons I have decided to do another fast today so it will be two together so hopefully that will give me a boost.

Dotty I will try and stay away from the scales, but I can't promise anything smile

DoubleMum Tue 12-Feb-13 13:37:03

Today's fast seems to be going OK, lots of peppermint tea but I'll definitely get some of the Pukka tea you recommend Mamamoomin.

LackaDAISYcal Tue 12-Feb-13 13:46:51

cold turkey it is then Betsy <gulp> though I may have to lick my 4yo's chocolately face clean in a minute rather than using the usual baby wipe wink

I've just put in what I've had so far and what I plan for tea into MFP and it's coming in at 763 calories so a bit higher than 5:2 recommends.

Captainladder Tue 12-Feb-13 14:06:51

Loving the image of licking toddlers face.... Am feeling the same currently watching my 2yo eat lunch, it's taking ally willpower not to eat his lunch and possibly him too!!! Finding this fat day really hard... Dreaming of twigglets!! On a positive note this eating style really seems to suit me, am feeling good on it and have lost 3kgs in 3 weeks...

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 14:25:16

My mum, who I haven't seen for a month (pre-5:2), was just round and remarked on how slim, healthy and happy I'm looking grin

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 14:27:05

Seconnd hand toddler sugar is bad sugar wink don't do it lacka and captain! Stay strong and yay, well done captain, brilliant result grin.

Jiddle Tue 12-Feb-13 14:43:45

Hi all, another lurker here. Have been reading with interest and did my first fast day yesterday. Split 500 cals between breakfast and lunch and was ready to chew my own hand off by bedtime. Struggled to get to sleep. Might try lunch/dinner next fast day to see if that's better. Friends in RL doing this WOE tell me the fast days get easier - I'm really hoping that's true.

I am trying this WOE mainly for the health benefits, though would like to lose the half a stone I've gained recently. Am struggling to see how it will come off if I do TDEE on non-fast days though. I've read that to lose 1 pound of fat you have to create a calorie deficit of 3,500. My TDEE is 1650 (11,500 per week), so if I have that 5 days and 500 cals on 2 days, I'll only create a calorie deficit of 2,250 over the whole week.

Is it OK to eat at BMR (which for me is 1,400) on the non-fast days instead?

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 15:11:06

Hi Jiddle, welcome smile. I did my first fast that way and got way too hungry in the evening and slept badly -I now split it between lunch and dinner which works a lot better and I find it very easy to skip breakfast.

Don't worry so much about the numbers - lots of people here have lost around 6lbs in the first 3 or so weeks, though there are cases of people on here eating too low calorie on non-fast days not losing anything at all so beware of limiting yourself too much much.

Are you in a hurry to lose the weight? Maybe try 4:3 instead but remember, this isn't a quick fix solution it's a way of changing how you eat for life! The joy of this is there are few rules, so it's easy to sustain.

Jiddle Tue 12-Feb-13 15:39:29

Hi BetsyVanBell. That's good to hear about how to divide the calories. I'm going to do Mondays and Thursdays as fast days so will try lunch/dinner on Thurs this week. I am not desperate to lose weight (though would like to shift 8 pounds by May), so will stick with 5:2 while I get used to this WOE and keep an eye on any weight loss. Maybe I'll get lucky and not need to go to 4:3 to shift a few pounds.

I did bring a more substantial lunch than usual to work today (non-fast day) - some casserole and rice - as I expected to be ravenous after yesterday. I ate it all but feel completely stuffed now!

Daisy1407 Tue 12-Feb-13 15:55:58

Im on my eating day and have had hummus and carrot sticks along with a meal deal from boots for lunch - Tea tonight (after the gym) is southern fried chicken breasts with 5% mcain oven chips! Then....its pancake time! smile

Have a lovely evening all x

BetsyVanBell Tue 12-Feb-13 16:00:58

Jiddle I've been doing this a month now and still haven't quite learned how much I need to eat the day after a fast - I thought I'd got it sussed but I've been caught out by pancake day, normal lunch but then the kids made me make pancakes just now - had one, eurg, so full and bloated now!

LackaDAISYcal Tue 12-Feb-13 16:45:49

lol at bad sugar grin Is there a good kind?

Just been doing a bit of research and found an article on the NHS website saying there was no medical evidence of intermittent fasting being good for you? As far as I can see there has been quite a bit done in Manchester at Genesis and also in the US.

ever2optimistic Tue 12-Feb-13 16:55:01

I've been doing this a month now and have lost 4lb (now 124lb ie 8st 12lb) at 5ft 2in. Aiming for 116 to 120lb as that's where I've felt best in the past. Yesterday to today I did a 2pm to 2pm fast as recommended by Mimi Spencer in the book, and it felt easier than my usual 'getting-up-till-bedtime' fast. I also got closer to 500kcal than I've done before. My brain also still seems to be in 'fast' mode and I don't feel the need to eat much. That's good as I am just mixing up the pancake batter for this evening smile
I discovered today that Tesco pea and asparagus soup (in carton) is filling and satisfying for 130kcal per half carton.

Jiddle Tue 12-Feb-13 17:08:11

How does a 2pm-2pm fast work ever2optimistic? Is it: eat normal breakfast, then between 2pm day 1 to 2pm day 2 limit intake to 500 cal then normal dinner on day 2?

In my world that could easily work out at just eating to TDEE over the 2 days - I am probably being thick.

Minimammoth Tue 12-Feb-13 17:15:51

Blindly, I can't keep up with the thread. I haven't decided which and when to fast yet. I am trying to get wheat bloating out of my system first, and eat less. Today I had a small bowl muesli and yoghurt, then small salad for lunch. No snacks. I'm absolutely starving now. Salmon and veg for tea/ dinner/supper whatever you eat at this time. Hoping that bloating will be down by tomorrow.
I remember doing a fluids only fast that was counted from 6pm to 6pm. Which meant you didn't go to bed hungry.

Minimammoth Tue 12-Feb-13 17:16:16

Not blindly..... Blimey

SpiralSkies Tue 12-Feb-13 17:22:36

Lackadaisy 'found an article on the NHS website saying there was no medical evidence of intermittent fasting being good for you?'

Is that the same article that helpfully says that for 500 cals one could eat a slice of pizza and a sausage? Maybe they've updated since they published the web page soon after IF became popular... hmm

hello.

fast day today and i've eaten nothing. had 3 coffees this morning then loads of water at work and have just had a lovely cup of tea upon getting home. i don't feel urgent about food so i'm hoping to put it off till nearly bedtime and then not go too mad. i 'think' i can just do 400 today - will have had about 100cals in skimmed milk in hot drinks and think i could happily manage with just a two egg omelette with a bit of turkey ham and still have a slim a soup in reserve if i feel taste hungry later.

kind of making the most of not being hungry as i'm not sure i'll get a second fast in this week as i'm off work till monday now and find it hard at home.

i haven't felt bad with it today. i had a hungry patch at work between training sessions and just turned the light off in my office and laid on the floor listening to a guided meditation. perfect distraction and settling of my mind and body actually - might have to do it more often on fast days.

hope everyone's days are going well smile

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 18:04:04

jiddle I don't think you are being thick. To mind mind a 2pm-2pm fast would only work if you didn't eat at all for 24 hours. And in terms of your weight loss I would stick to your TDEE for now and see how it goes. If you are quite light then think of your weight loss in % terms rather than lb terms. So someone who weighs 200lb and loses 1lb/week will have lost 0.5% of body weight, whereas someone who weighs 112lb and loses 1lb will have lost 0.9% of body weight - so a much bigger loss.

what if i just didn't eat till tomorrow? is it a bad idea? are we meant to have the 500cals for a reason or is it just don't have more than 500?

saying this i'll probably suddenly become ravenous if i decide not to eat at all grin

IndridCold Tue 12-Feb-13 18:10:31

Only on my second week and it's going well. I only need to drop about half a stone and am trying this as much to see if it really will improve my BP and cholesterol levels, which are a bit high.

One thing I have noticed is that the day after a fast day I have quite a strong taste of salt in my mouth. Has anyone else had this? I was wondering if maybe I was getting too dehydrated on fast days, although I drink plenty of fluids.
I would welcome any ideas.

Gherkinsmummy Tue 12-Feb-13 18:12:26

Hello! Can I join you?

I've been doing the paleo diet and IF for a while and lost 2.5 stone of baby weight last year. I'm still overweight but not really looking to lose much more, but would like to find a way to maintain and like the idea of giving the digestion a rest.

To those on here struggling, might be worth combining fasting with lo-carbing for a few weeks. Paleo is much less restrictive than Atkins, about 100g of carbs a day as opposed to Atkins Phase 1 which allows 30g!

Swallowed - yes of course you can do 'proper' fasting. Religious types would say this is not a proper fast smile

Happy pancake day everyone!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Feb-13 18:14:32

Re the NHS article which I read ages ago it was to put it politely load of shite. I've spoken to my docs at St Thomas' & my private consultants who tell me that lots of their patients fast as a way of getting arthritis inflammation down & that these patients have been fasting for years. Make of that what you will. Oh & they have been very supportive of me doing this as has my gynaecologist....

Newlook Tue 12-Feb-13 18:37:34

Hello - I wonder if anyone could advise on the following please? My TDEE is 2081 which I understand to be what one eats to stay the same weight. Is that correct please?
So...I looked up myfitnesspal app - great for logging cals, so thanks to all who recommended this. When I input weight and what want to lose and how much (went for 2lb) per week (have at least 2 stone to lose) - it gave me a daily allowance of 1200 cos I'm such a podge at the mo... I knew that, after a great fasting day yesterday, I wouldn't want to be that low as would be biting off more than I could chew (so to speak!!). My total cals today so far are 1638 - I might have glass of wine later but that's all. Would I be correct in thinking that my cals today are fine or am I kidding myself? I do appreciate the theory that we can eat anything on non fast days but I want to keep myself in check.
What was REALLY interesting was how much CRAP (excuse me) I ate in snacks - used correctly, the app breaks up how many cals used for bfast, lunch, dinner and snacks - so it was a reality check and I will definitely be more aware from now on.
Tomorrow is 2nd fast day and I am actually looking forward to it.

Thanks to anyone who has got to the end of this and hope you've had a good day thanks, Off to school meeting but will check in later smile

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Feb-13 18:38:20

swallowedafly I hope you have an office to yourself grin

I don't think there would be anything wrong with not eating till tomorrow. Didn't MM do 4 days on just one cup a soup a day on the programme? I think the 500 cals was chosen as that seems to make this WOE more sustainable.

ever2optimistic Tue 12-Feb-13 18:39:21

Jiddle - to reply: I read Michael Moseley & Mimi Spencer's book & 2pm to 2pm is one way of doing it. Admittedly you don't get the hours fasting while asleep, doing it this way, but I found it easier with just half a day at a time to concentrate on, and haven't gone mad this pm. I don't think I will get anywhere near my TDEE today, and didn't yesterday. It's whatever works for you.

Newlook Tue 12-Feb-13 18:40:36

P.S *gherkins" - great achievement - I hope the fast diet will be what you are looking for - seems a great way of life to me but v new to it myself.

yes itsaboat - i have my own little coffin office and just had to make sure i couldn't be seen from the window in the door grin

i'll see how i go food wise. thinking probably just a little something to go to bed on so i sleep ok. then again i really do feel fine so might just have more tea and go to bed once i get ds into his.

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Feb-13 18:47:35

newlook no, I did this when I signed up to MFP too, and it's not the right thing to do if you're going to be doing 5:2. (sorry to say!). The good news is that MFP works out what you should do if you're going to calorie restrict every day as your sole weight loss method, so....... if you weren't doing anything else then you'd try to stick to 1200 per day, every day.
On 5:2 you eat your "normal" (eg. non weight losing) TDEE five days per week, and fast, eating no more than 500 cals, on the other two days per week.
The way around this on MFP is to ignore the lower figure of calorie intake, and go with the higher one eg. mine is approx 2100 versus 1450.
Hope that makes sense!

Itsaboatjack Tue 12-Feb-13 18:48:02

Newlook, I have set my daily cals on mfp as my TDEE which is 2180 (I update it regularly as I lose wight). I then log my cals everyday. Over the week (there is a weekly tab at top right hand of home page), I hope to see a deficit of at least 3200 cals, assuming I've stuck to my fast days properly, which I believe is about 1lb a week wight loss.

DoubleMum Tue 12-Feb-13 19:30:59

I've had my dinner now on fast day and am absolutely stuffed! Can't get over the change in my willpower and attitude towards food this week.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 12-Feb-13 19:57:31

newlook 2100x7= 14700, 2100x5=10500,
500x2=1000

14700-1000-10500= 3200 deficit

Average calories 1670 a day

If my maths is right...feel free to correct me if not!

BsshBossh Tue 12-Feb-13 20:19:57

Newlook I do exactly as Itsaboatjack - I manually change my MFP calorie goal to my current TDEE and eat as close as possible to it on non-fast days. I generally eat under TDEE during the working week (but not too much under as I like to eat well) but over on weekends. Over the week this usually results in an approx 3500 cal deficit and, so far, I'm losing weight. I never eat back my exercise cals as my TDEE includes moderate exercise.

DoubleMum it's amazing isn't it?

Ezzza thank you so much for your post. I particularly will remember that eating something you want to doesn't necessarily mean it ends up breaking a fast day.

ellenbrody Tue 12-Feb-13 21:11:07

Can I join in? I'm on my 2nd week and have done 3 fasts. I'm not looking to lose weight really but am more interested in the health benefits (although the 3lbs I put on over Xmas could do with shifting!) And trying to learn a normal relationship with food, which ive never had.

The first was much better than i imagined, but the 2nd was HARD.
I only had h/m veg soup, which although initially filling, didn't last long. Yesterday I managed much better with a lunch of 2 ryvitas, mini Philly and lots of cucumber, some milky teas (measured milk) and then a mushroom omlette with almost a whole bag of rocket.

I read these threads every day and find them inspirational.

charliegreentea Tue 12-Feb-13 21:28:28

Hi everyone,

I'm on my third fast day and finding the fast days ok so far. I've decided to do 4:3, fasting Mon, Wed and Fri. On my fast days I'm having a blueberry smoothie with ice, trim milk and a scoop of protein powder late morning and an evening meal of a boiled egg, a small tin of tuna and coleslaw. Before bed I'm having dessert (!) - frozen blueberries with natural yoghurt. This is very delicious, satisfies my sweet tooth and is only around the 120 cal mark.

I'm in the Southern Hemisphere and think this WOE is so easy in summer with all the lovely fruit and salad ingredients available (something for everyone in the Northern Hemisphere to look forward to!). I think I will find it a bit trickier in winter when I tend to crave stodgy, comfort food. Hopefully by then I'll be a new me and accustomed to this WOL.

I'm also having 250g of leeks (for their magical properties of being nutritional, low calorie, and mildly diuretic) simmered for 20 mins in 500ml water, as prescribed in the wonderful book French Women Don't Get Fat. I'm re-reading this book and finding it very inspiring as it advocates an approach in which you "throw away all the radical diet books, think about what you eat and why, and then enjoy eating the right things (and some wrong ones) intelligently, in smaller portions". I did read it years ago and concluded at the time that it wasn't for me, but now it makes perfect sense smile

My non-fasting days have been all over the place and are featuring too much junk and alcohol. I need to cut back on wine so that I don't wake up on fast days feeling peckish. I'm really hoping this WOE will sort out my love/hate relationship with food and get me on track to healthier eating and long term weight loss. I have quite a bit of weight to lose....

Love this thread and reading all your interesting and inspirational updates smile

Mishello77 Tue 12-Feb-13 21:35:18

Hi Franny a few things come to my attention when I read this and I hope I can offer some advice.
Firstly when you were on your course you said you skipped breakfast, you must never ever skip breakfast. Breakfast kick starts your metabolism and breaks the fast after your sleep. Breakfast is definitely the most important meal of the dAy.
Also you say 700-1200 calories a day? That probably is not enough you probably need to aim for 1500. If you don't get enough calories your body goes into starvation mode and then stores fat to keep it going.
Also do you drink enough water? 3 litres a day? Do you eat enough lean protein? It seems to me you have tried all these diets but no one has supported you enough and given you guidance. Do you exercise?
It's about re educating people about healthy eating. If you need more support I will happily give you my routine! Don't let it get you down, you can do it xx

catsrus Tue 12-Feb-13 21:52:46

mishello I'm afraid what you are saying does not have much basis in the new scientific knowledge which underpins this way of eating. have you actually seen the Horizon Documentary or read the research on which it's based?

This is a very different approach to the on national diet wisdom. It is not only ok to skip breakfast it can be beneficial. Starvation mode is a myth - unless you really are starving. This thread is a support thread for people following a version of intermittent fasting - which does involve very low cal eating on one or more days a week.

Newlook Tue 12-Feb-13 21:56:13

Thank you very much Dotty Itsaboat Bssh Boshh and After 8 hope I didn't miss anyone out- am back from school meeting, sitter gone, kids in bed and it's sooo helpful to read your comments - I LOVE this thread! I will amend as needed on the MFP and watch the revised numbers during the week. I know I'm only 2 days in (2nd fast day tomorrow) but so far I am finding this rather exciting - I wish I'd known about Mumsnet and these forums a long time ago. Better late than never!
I am enjoying a glass of wine in anticipation of bouillon and cups of coffee tomorrow....one day at a time everyone, we can do it grin

frenchfancy Tue 12-Feb-13 21:57:05

You got there before me Catsrus

Mishello If you start saying thing like "you must never ever skip breakfast" you are not going to last long on the fasting thread. We are fasting. Therefore holding off on breaking the fast as long as possible is a GOOD thing. There is so much evidence out there now that people who skip breakfast DO NOT eat more or put on more weight than those that eat it.

Newlook Tue 12-Feb-13 21:59:54

I am a fan of the BBC Good Food website which has had many mentions on this thread in the short time I've been a member. It's great as you can save recipes to a folder so easy access especially if you are in a hurry menu planning or doing a shopping list. This eve my children and I had sweet potato and lentil soup - so easy and delicious - quite high cals for soup at just under 300 but filling and tasty. Recommend it. Have enough for tomorrow so that's my evening meal covered. Do try it out. Soups are a saviour and they freeze well if you have space between the pizza, ice cream, sausages etc wink - off to burn some calories ironing in between supping this glass of wine.....

Dotty342kids Tue 12-Feb-13 22:59:29

newlook, me too, love the Good Food website, have you found the section which is under Special Diets I think..... recipes of 300 cals and under? Good for ideas. One of my fave new discoveries is actually a Nigella one and it's delicious, esp if spinach added to it. One portion is about 225 cals so enough for a chapatti too! www.nigella.com/recipes/view/butternut-squash-and-red-lentil-curry-2777
I'm fasting again tomorrow and will be eating this which looks delicious, for my tea and is only 303 cals www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2121652/harissa-chicken-traybake
Catch up with you all again tomorrow grin

GiraffesEatPineapples Tue 12-Feb-13 23:36:59

think ican Paul McKenna does hypnosis CD latest is a gastric band you 'install' by listening to the CD. There are 5 golden rules (there are some thread on here that would give this info) not sure what they ask are but it centres around mindful eating. One poster on a Paul m thread said she naturally didn't eat fir 20 hours so it makes me think it might be useful for people finding overeating a big problem on non fat days. I haven't tried It and I am concentrating on adding in exercise to 5 2 at mo.

Fazerina Wed 13-Feb-13 00:02:27

Evening all! I think it's safe to say I've lost track on all these threads, but I do try and post every once in a while..I've been doing 4:3 since the beginning on January and doing wonderfully. I love this WOL and am losing weight steadily. This is the big picture for me, although at the very moment (TMI alert!!) I'm feeling very backed up and came here to ask a very 'TMI' kind of question.. Has anyone tried enemas while fasting?

Some years back I did a 3-day juice fast for which I bought a special kit, which came with the juices and an enema kit. It's basically a pouch that is filled with water and a flexible tube to clean out your colon. In my current state of uncomfortableness, I found it and thought to give it a try when I have a moment tomorrow when I'll be fasting. Just thought to ask if anyone had ever tried it on 5:2 (or 4:3 or AF..)?

ThinkICan Wed 13-Feb-13 01:15:25

I'll check it out - thanks Giraffe.

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 06:18:12

Great recipe suggestions Dotty. Don't forget to post them on the recipe thread smile

well i went through to about 8 or half past last night and then scrambled some eggs with a bit of ham in and followed it with a 71cal digestive biscuit. think i will have been way under 500cals yesterday.

considering doing another fast today to try and get in another in half term week but realistically will see how i feel at lunchtime. i'm not sure about doing 2 days in a row.

anyone else noticed an improvement with their skin?

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 07:14:16

swallowedAfly - well done for your fast - I'm on day 2 fast today so not able to advise on two consecutive fasting days - you are right though, listen to your body. I am sure previous threads have referred to clearer, brighter skin - another lovely bonus of sticking to this plan.

my skin definitely has improved from the fasting - i was getting occasional horrible pimples near my mouth and they're gone. i've now started using moroccan argan oil and within a couple of days the dehydration lines around my eyes are much improved and some stubborn dry/hard spots (hard to explain - just little hard rough patches) have gone. so can highly recommend the oil and if anyone is interested i can dig out the site i bought it from that sell at cosmetic grade at a reasonable price - some are selling cooking grade at way higher the price so you have to be careful.

at this rate we can destroy the whole diet and beauty industry wink

i may join you newlook on the two day fast and we can compare how it works for us. i sort of feel like it's better to get it done now i'm in the swing of it from yesterday than wait and hope i'll manage it on another day during half term.

(the pimples were 'occasional' but lasted for ages and nothing helped clear them up until i started fasting - may be the break from digesting has allowed my body to flush out toxins better i guess?)

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 07:36:06

Hi swallowed sorry I realise my wording is misleading - think I wasn't quite awake - I fasted Monday, normal yesterday, today is 2nd fast day - sorry....v happy to support you on thread today though if you want to give it a go! I'm enjoying first cup of tea and I think there'll be plenty of those today, along with bouillon and water. Porridge and blueberries await when I feel I need them and soup this eve.

Last of my beginners' Pilates later - anyone else do this? really enjoying it. I am unable to do impact exercise at the mo, so it's a positive alternative and helps to get you in touch with your body, posture and core - great if you've had children and need to get that pelvic floor more under control (sorry to bring that up so early in the morning wink

DoubleMum Wed 13-Feb-13 07:59:01

I think I'm going to 4:3 this week, so it must be going well. I'd like to do that often if I can, as I have so much weight to lose, but this week we're away for the weekend and overeating -or at least eating calorific things - is a possibility so 4:3 feels a bit safer. Lovely recipes upthread. I've had success finding good stuff on Pinterest too, too many to mention but if someone wants the links can point them to that board on Pinterest.

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Feb-13 08:00:07

swallowed i just finished 2 back to back fasts. It felt fine, if anything yesterday was easier than Monday, and I've not had brekkie yet today, I'm going to have it after school run (our half term is next week) which is 1 mile walk each way, so I get a little workout on an empty stomach so I burn as much fat as I can before breaking my fast.

virginposter Wed 13-Feb-13 08:07:32

Fazerina it has been know for 5:2ers to get 'backed up' sometimes on this woe. I take a teaspoon of psillium husk powder every day as it comes from plants and is very natural and therfore have no problems in that department. Have never had an enema.

Northstarmum Wed 13-Feb-13 08:08:54

Going for back to back fasts- today is my 2nd day shock. I didn't think I'd be able to fit any fasting in over half term but after an enjoyable if splurgey weekend away I was keen to get back on track so I'm taking the opportunity while it presents itself. Plan to skip breakfast, have leek, bacon and potato soup (bbc good food again) for lunch and I don't quite know what for dinner! Had a good weigh in this morning which has motivated me to keep going, and I'm definitely feeling the difference in my clothes even if no one else appears to have noticed my 12lb loss yet hmm

virginposter Wed 13-Feb-13 08:09:16

Sorry that should be Psyllium.

missed the post about enemas - i have a home enema kit - happy to answer questions if someone was wondering about them. there are a lot of supposed health benefits though i can't guarantee they're scientific. might be one to talk about by pm though wink

itsabout - i will give it a go then. will aim to do what i did yesterday and survive on leave it till right in the evening bar hot drinks and lots of water.

yes i misunderstood you newlook sorry. happy fasting.

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 08:13:25

Re. the "backed up" issue. It's not something I have found happening for me but I do know that the food guaranteed to get things moving in that dept (!) is a nice ripe banana. Works on babies and works on adults too I think. So wonder if it's worth introducing those on fast days (about 80 cals) to help keep things moving along grin

lottie63 Wed 13-Feb-13 08:30:53

I'm doing 5:2 and have lost 9lbs so far. I do wonder though if I m drinking enough water. Do I need to drink 3 litres? Is this the same as on non-fast days? How much do you all drink? And does this include tea, coffee, juices, wine? I m not sure I could manage 3 litres of straight water.

lottie63 Wed 13-Feb-13 08:40:06

ever2optimistic, you're exactly where I am now. 8stone 12lbs and 5' 2" (Well, and a half) I think I may feel better at around 8 and a half stone than 8st 2 though so may stop there. Will see.

My first 7lbs came off very easily though I had 3 days overeating afterwards and put it on again. Since then, i've dropped it again plus another two pounds. Going away this weekend so not fasting this Froday, Sat or Sunday and am wondering if I ll just end up putting it all back on once more

silverbeetle Wed 13-Feb-13 08:44:31

Quick post before work beckons.

First 'normal' day after a fast yesterday and a very strange thing happened - I knew I could eat whatever I wanted and during the fast day and I was fantasising about food and what I would eat on the following feed day, would it be cake, would it be crisps, would it be both?

However when the feed day arrived it seemed to have the opposite effect to my appetite. I actually didn't fancy any of it, I opened the cake tin, sniffed it and walked away!!! Plus I only managed to eat about 1300 kcals during the whole day. This is probably too low as my TDEE is 1900, so will work on that but I'm amazed at how just one fast can help reduce sugar cravings, appetite and portion size. Feeling very optimistic.

Will monitor my skin swallowed, early days for me but what another great bonus.

BsshBossh Wed 13-Feb-13 08:47:30

Well TOM is here - my first since I started 5:2 so it will be interesting to see if I manage a good fast tomorrow.

BsshBossh Wed 13-Feb-13 08:49:30

silverbeetle I struggle to reach my TDEE on non-fast days too now my appetite has reduced. What I find good to do is to eat nuts to bump my cals up - they feel healthy but not over-filling but of course they are calorie-dense. Try it.

Minimammoth Wed 13-Feb-13 08:50:17

Have had 2 days with low cal intake, but not strictly fasting, I have been avoiding the foods I know bloat me, and I have lost 3 lbs! I also know that that isn't real weight loss. I am a bit scared of complete fast and whether the non fast day will bloat me instantly. Thanks for the OP info, that was really useful. Maybe today I will try fast. I have soup at the ready.

bshh - for me it's pre-menstruating that my appetite rockets and during all is fine. i mentioned earlier i think that i was told by a woman who is a colonic irrigation practitioner that menstruation is a good time for anything like fasting, detoxing, colonics etc because the body is in that mode of releasing. it kind of makes sense when you think of how puffy and water retaining we can get (plus swollen boobs etc) before a period and how the period time releases all of that.

good luck smile

Fazerina Wed 13-Feb-13 08:59:44

Morning everyone! Thanks for the replies regarding my TMI question upthreadsmile! Good to know it's not just me experiencing this.. I've actually done enemas a few times in the past before being on the juice fast and starting the 4:3 when I've been suffering from migraines and it's usually helped stop the migraine nearly completely!

I know there are supposed to be some health benefits too, but having seen some of the dodgy websites out the regarding this, I'm not too sure.. Although I did hear somewhere, that apparently long time ago in the US, they were compulsory practice before any operation in hospitals for hygiene reasons.

Anyway, it's difficult to really do them now with a busy toddler running around, so might just do the Psyllium husk instead..

i think the one thing i do believe is that it's good to hydrate the bowel and that makes a big difference to your overall hydration. especially compared to laxatives and the like that dehydrate you.

you could also try drinking redbush tea a plenty - it's what they give constipated babies in south africa.

Ezzza Wed 13-Feb-13 09:16:25

Thank you for your kind words everyone. I was really glad to stick to the fast yesterday. I’m now off to eat that chicken I wanted yesterday, though it seems to have rather less appeal today. Another fast day tomorrow, and I’m hoping food places will have started opening back up by Friday so that I can eat a vegetable at last!

Fazerina Wed 13-Feb-13 09:19:44

That's a good point about hydration swallowed, I hadn't thought about that.. And I wonder if that's the reason I've noticed in the past that they helped with the migraines..

Oh I didn't know that about the redbush tea! I already drink it all the time anyway so might have to up thatsmile!

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 09:22:41

new look do you use a pilates DVD? I have Sim pf needs ! smile

artemis17 Wed 13-Feb-13 09:29:33

Well 2 weeks (4 fasts) in and though the scales havent moved (yet), i do feel, well more alert, sparky, like you imagine an animal out on the plain would feel, ready to react.
Felt i over did my non fast yday as made cookies, then proceeded to eat most of them a couple wink. Mind you didnt have pancakes in the end so im sure it evened out to 1800.

Ninunina Wed 13-Feb-13 09:55:15

Day 3 in to this new WOE and I'm not sure I did too well yesterday. It was not a fast day, but can't help feeling incredibly guilty about eating lots of junk.
MFP seems to think I was still within my daily calorie allowance of 1900 calories but I find it hard to believe since I hate the following:
Latté and 100kal cereal bar, 3 medium eggs with a few tiny drops of white truffle oil and 30g Cheddar cheese plus 1 slice bread (tasted like heaven), Skinny cappuccino & 2 generous bites of tart tatine, 2 crepes with Ham and cheese & 1 with nutella & half a banana. I also allowed myself a couple of teaspoons full of nutella from the jar since I'm giving up chocolates for Lent. How on earth does that amount to 1900 calories? It feels like I ate a feast and am feeling incredibly guilty.
oh well, we will see what the damage is when I get on the scales next week. Today is my 2nd fast day and I'm much hungrier than the first one (probably because of all the sugar I had yesterday).
I'll try to hold out as long as I can before eating, but doubt I'll make it beyond 2pm.

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 10:08:16

HI Giraffes - I don't have a dvd, I have been doing a weekly hour long session with a Pilates teacher - 6 of us in the class - £25 bit of a bargain, I thought. Once we've completed today, we can do any of the lessons run at the leisure centre. I will ask my teacher if she can recommend a dvd and let you know. I do have a book by Alycea Ungaro - Pilates body in motion which I've dipped into (clear photos), but I find it better to have the teacher model it and explain/answer questions. I have a knee injury and my physio recommended Pilates - a bit like the fasting diet, I think this could be a WOL for me as it's for all ages (I'm 45, overweight and dodgy knee joint - had a bit of a wake up call hence the diet - AND I would love to ski again) - and feels like I am investing in my body for life. I am not usually this self-analytical, it's this thread, it brings it out in me...! hope this helps.

There is an op for PF but as I may need op on knee, I would prefer to sort it out without surgery.blush

Gherkinsmummy Wed 13-Feb-13 10:27:34

I do love this thread, it's inspiring!

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 10:49:20

artemis think you and I are at the same stage then grin. I'm on my fourth fast day today, having started this last Monday. I too feel generally alert and energetic and look forward to my fast days. IN fact, if I wasn't out for lunch with a friend on Friday, I'd do another one then! Were they nice cookies?!

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 10:51:17

*ninunina" please don't feel guilty! That's the whole point of this, you don't need to! It doesn't sound to me as though you ate over your TDEE as there wasn't much there in the way of actual meals so it was mainly the pancakes and other nice stuff that gave you your calorie intake.
You can get to 2pm, you can!!

artemis17 Wed 13-Feb-13 10:55:33

Dotty 5-2 twins lol wink ahh they were delicious especially just out of the oven as i put extra vanilla in them....I definately a bit pleased with myself on fast days i just hope the scales show something favourable on Friday...

i may need some encouragement today.

i started thinking about food and realised what i was feeling wasn't hunger at all but a kind of boredom and desire to stuff something in itms. i should get us out of the house and walk the dogs or something. would love to do a meditation but doubt my son will leave me alone long enough somehow.

have a friend coming over for a cuppa at one. just need to distract till then i guess.

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 10:58:01

ooh yum! I'm doing my first weigh in tomorrow. I've decided that I'll weigh the day after my second fast of each week, that way I should get a reliable indicator of whether I'm losing or not.
Good luck with yours!

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 11:02:50

Swallowed I rarely paint my nails but did so on my first fast day - one distraction for you? or gentle music and deep breathing and then nail painting?! or toes ..?

DoubleMum Wed 13-Feb-13 11:03:18

You can do it Swallowed. Get yourself out of the house for a little while (before it rains/snows!).

Minimammoth Wed 13-Feb-13 11:22:36

Hi swallowed, completely agree with eating and boredom. Oral gratification and all that. I find myself doing exactly the same, and reaching, usually for toast. So def do some other activity. < another meditator here, but I can be undisturbed, - grown up kids> or have a glass of water.

ayshigirl Wed 13-Feb-13 11:24:05

ninuina don't be hard on yourself. I found the first two fasts really tough but it is def getting easier, though I really do feel the cold when I'm fasting.

On another note my dh and i are confused. He tried to fast from 2pm to 2pm but should he be not eating at all during those hours or sticking to his 600 cals then?

My weight loss has plateau-ed at 6lbs but I'm fasting today (freeeeeezing) so who knows.

Second fast here today and struggling as DD2 was awake from 12.30 to 4.30 am and then I had to get up early with DD1 because DH needed to catch an early train. DD2 sent to childminder, DD1 playing quietly wit hLego and this is when I normally snack! I bake cakes for a living and have an order for tomorrow morning so baking will be horribly tempting! But I will be strong, Have had a cuppa with milk and that is keeping me going so far.

thanks people - was just about to cave and quickly looked here first! i think i will do a bit of ironing naff as that sounds and if i'm still struggling i'll eat a carrot or something rather than rush to give up and have crap. never done 2 days in a row before.

artemis17 Wed 13-Feb-13 11:31:55

stay strong Swallowed..hot water and lemon really quash my hunger pangs and ironings good, bonus is it warms you up too, i am always extra cold on fast days, so either do ironing, housework or Wii just dance once im in from work.

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 11:35:59

newlook - thank you so much - if you can ask your teacher for a reccomendation that would be great! I can't afford classes unfortunately but will keep my eyes open for something affordable. I have knee problems so trying to listen to any niggles when excersing. I have been reading a book (by a jurno) called the first 20 minutes and apparently studies on marathon runners versus non runners suggests running may actually be beneficial for knees! Also cheap fairly light trainers are as effective as expensive running shoes.

OK I am here to promote excersise - only been doing it for 3 days but feel Great!! App short intensive bursts are the way forward which suits me as I find it really quite boring otherwise. Really making me feel all back on board with this woe.

Finally if you are not losing weight don't despiar! My weight has not shifted much. I started off at 12 7 in oct and I am now 11 8 or 11 10 depending on where I shift the scales to on the floor. My weight hasnt changed much recently but I look different naked - my face is slimmer, my arms look better my tummy apron is now just a round tummy - I must be losing fat but not lbs.

ayshigirl your dh should be just having water herbal teas black coffee ie zero cals. Then he can either eat normally or just 600 cals dep on if he needs weightloss.

Apologies - iwill read the thread properly tonight dont want to negelct dd - just excited and wanted to post!

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 11:37:53

btw I am 5 ft 4, so really carrying a lot of weight....

ayshigirl Wed 13-Feb-13 11:43:06

Thanks Giraffe. I;m off to crank up the heating now brrrr

needtaloseit Wed 13-Feb-13 11:54:17

hey stickygingerbread... Thanks for the info on the eating days, I had read that you could eat what you want and fancy as long as its in moderation and you listen to when your body if content and not bursting... I seen Dom Joly the comedian is doing the afd diet and has so far lost over 2 and a half stone. And that is his motto eat what you want but don't overdo it... Check on the internet he has an article under the independent explining his success. Fast day for me so far ok... just take it as it comes... How long have you been doing the diet and how are you finding it

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Feb-13 11:56:30

I was very busy yesterday swallowed so that probably helped me a lot, and then when I did finally stop at about 8.30 I just ate then fell asleep in front the tv. Ironing is one I definitely use for distraction too.

Giraffe I totally agree re the short burst of exercise, I just got a DVD with a selection of 10 min workouts and try to do one on most days.

Minimammoth Wed 13-Feb-13 12:46:08

Giraffe. I have a book about knee probs, and the recommendation is balancing. Simple standing on one leg strengthens the whole lot without impact. Off for soup now.

Fillybuster Wed 13-Feb-13 12:50:38

Onto my 2nd fast of the week and finding it hard, but mainly because I'm so blinking freezing today! Plus, today has confirmed that I find fasting in the office much much easier than at home....I was meant to be in the office today but ended up wfh, and am finding it sooooo hard to resist the call of the kitchen....

1st fast after 11 days off on monday was fine, but i overdid the eating slightly yesterday (boy, I was hungry after a week of pigging out on holiday!) and i had a whole big veg tortilla (plus sour cream, cheese, guacamole, beans etc) for lunch....scales were sadly up this morning....(yes, yes, I know I shouldn't weigh daily, but I can't help it...)

Anyway, hoping to keep my 500cals for dinner....I tried the new M&S cod rogan josh dish on Monday and it was utterly yum, so hopefully I'll be able to pick one up on my way home (heading into the office in a bit)....

Very very pissed off at regaining the full 5lbs I had lost, and obviously being a bit impatient (and 'pouty' Ezzza ) as I want it to just fall off again straight away, not hang around like a bad smell.

Right, off to boil kettle, apply makeup and head into the office....

bbbbrrrr.....<shivers>

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 12:54:22

Giraffe ok - back from Pilates - interesting to read other comments - especially Minimammoth's one about balance which ties in with one of the principles of Pilates which is all about core strength, posture and balance (it's probably lots of other things too but this is what I understand at this stage).
My instructor is not a fan of DVDs but obviously it depends on the individual and preferences. She suggested a book - what about the library for checking out books and DVDs to start with? If you are a member of a library you should be able to check out resources on line. Good luck.

Hang on in the Swallowed though I guess if it's your first time of doing 2 fast days in a row you must read your body - I guess there's no harm in doing 1 1/2 days is there? I am not trying to dissuade though smile.

I have had my porridge/blueberries, cup of tea and water so far. Will hold out as long as poss and then have a cuppa soup to keep going before proper soup this evening. This will take me slightly over 500 cals which I hope is ok...?

Ninunina Wed 13-Feb-13 13:02:18

Thanks for the encouragement dotty & *Ayshiagirl

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 13:07:17

It's so hard not to get on the scales Filly - I have always hopped on and off them loads on past diets. Am aiming to just weigh in on morning of Monday fasts, so my first one will be next Monday. I think it messes up the head otherwise. You WILL lose that 5lbs again - you can do it. smile

Don't know whether carrying emergency carrots or even cuppa soup - mine is 73 cals is of any help to anyone - common sense I know but I often forget these simple things (especially when the urge to eat chocolate is overwhelming - but that can be eaten tomorrow if the urge is still there!!)

Ninunina Wed 13-Feb-13 13:09:23

oops, accidentally presses send on my phone.
Thanks for the encouragement dotty & ayshigirl. I'm already feeling better and back on track. It's 2pm where I am and just had a lovely bowl of broccoli soup. Did you know that adding cauliflower to soup acts as a thickener? I recently discovered this and have since been making lovely thick and filling soups.

LackaDAISYcal Wed 13-Feb-13 13:39:24

did well yesterday, until working at night and stopped for petrol and the sugar craving hit blush

Trying again today but I had a hysteroscopy this morning to remove polyps and mirena coil fitted so feeling a bit crampy and rubbish so had chocolate. Buuut, other than that I have had a slice of ham, two poached eggs and some cherry tomatoes and plan on chicken broth for tea. No petrol needed tonight so I will leave my wallet at home thereby removing temptation!

lots to try and catch up on!

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 13:44:02

I have been hit by some real waves of nausea today, for the first time. Genuinely thought I was going to be sick, most unpleasant shock
Was hoping to last till about 2.00 or so today before eating (as had late dinner last night) but have had to give in to some grapes to fend off the nausea.
Anyone else get like this?

LackaDAISYcal Wed 13-Feb-13 13:53:10

I do sometimes dotty. Most unpleasant! Hopefully though this woe will mean better regulation of blood sugars in the long run.

Gherkinsmummy Wed 13-Feb-13 14:08:28

Ninunina what a useful tip! Thanks!

DoubleMum Wed 13-Feb-13 14:12:10

That's interesting MiniMammoth. I had to have both knees replaced 2 years ago due to severe arthritis and I struggle with most exercise because I don't have a good bend in either knee. Lots of walking leads to lots of pain. Perhaps trying to do some balancing would build up muscles and let me go for longer walks. Might be worth looking up some pilates moves on youtube too.
I'm on a feed day today (fasted sunday and tuesday) and I am feeling really full on my 650 cals so far. I don't think I will be eating to TDEE today, and I didn't monday either but I'm not sure which is worse, that or to force yourself to eat when you aren't hungry (which is a novel experience I must say).

Daisy1407 Wed 13-Feb-13 14:37:58

Hi all
Im on a fast day 2day (also did Monday) i havent eaten anything yet since 8.30pm last night - im popping to M&S on way home to grab a beef spicy noodle ready meal - 430 kcal
Im starting to feel hungry now however i will just try and have another cup of tea to take the edge off. The real test is i have a train ride now from reading back to cardiff I MUST NOT BUY ANYTHING AT STATION!!!! STEP AWAY FROM THE SWEETS!

Good luck everyone who is on a fast day x daisy x

ConsiderablyBiggerBuns Wed 13-Feb-13 14:47:51

Hello All, can I get on board please? I followed this WOE for a couple of months last Autumn and lost a stone, even though wasn't always as strict as I should be. I have since put 6lbs back on. I am 5' 7'', weigh 11st 8lb and will be appearing with very few clothes on in Calendar Girls in June - Cripes - I need this!! My first target is to get below 10st. 7lb and then see how I am looking, although I am sure I will still have some excess flesh, I do tend to lose it off my face (and boobs) before anywhere else and at 47 could do without looking haggard and flat-chested (as my username suggests could do with going the other way in that area).
Second fast day of the week today and coping okay although worrying a little about managing during half term and also really fascinated to read all the different appraoches and experiences on this thread. Will attempt not to ask questions that have been asked a hundred times before but will be here for motivation and encouragement (giving and receiving) when things get tough.

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 14:53:40

Oh good luck daisy, I'm guilty of eating my way home on train journeys too!
And welcome considerably, nice to have you with us!

I'm feeling slightly better after a boiled egg and some grapes so should be fine till teatime now.

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 14:57:35

Welcome CBB - that's great that you lost a stone - shows you can do it! Imagine what you can do again if you stick with it.

I started this WOE on Monday and am also on 2nd fast day today - it is true that the hunger comes in waves - I have read this on a previous thread. Water, coffee, chewing gum if desperate and a WW hot chocolate when I've collected the children - WEAK moment guaranteed to emerge after school pick up that's for sure.

Hopefully half term will be ok for everyone who has different routine next week (and for some, this week) - I keep reminding myself "I can do this for a day" - it worked on fast day 1 and so far today, but I do wonder if I might have to go to bed early! I think similar questions are probably asked every day but no-one seems to mind - everyone is really supportive.

Good luck!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Wed 13-Feb-13 15:05:10

Hope you are feeling better soon daisy.

virginposter Wed 13-Feb-13 15:18:43

lottie63 No you do NOT have to drink 3 litres of water on your fast days but you must make sure you don't become dehydrated. I fill a 1 litre bottle with water and keep taking from that during the day. Also I have a lot of herbal teas and a couple of coffees. Sometimes I drink a bit more water if I feel like it.
It's always good to make sure you drink enough but as our food also contains water we are getting less on our fast days.

PORRIDGEANYONE Wed 13-Feb-13 15:35:59

I was supposed to have my first fast day today and I have failed miserably :-( I was a bit hangover and tired this morning.. I had a egg mid morning, then a cup a soup @133 calories then...chocolate biscuits, peanuts, 3 babybels...tell me it is just a false start and that I can make it :-(

notapizzaeater Wed 13-Feb-13 15:36:28

I'm on an eat day today but just not been hungry At all. Just had. Cookie but shared it with the dog ... This is unheard of !!!

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 15:40:01

Of course you can do it porridge, write off today, eat normally and do your first fast day tomorrow!

DoubleMum Wed 13-Feb-13 15:50:41

Yes Porridge, don't say sod it and go mad today, just eat healthily and do a fast tomorrow.

ConsiderablyBiggerBuns Wed 13-Feb-13 15:54:20

Porridge I always tend to have a couple of false starts when I am starting a new WOE, the great thing about this one is that tomorrow is another day and today just reverts to being a non fast day not a fail day. Try again tomorrow - good luck.

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 16:00:50

Porridge Agree with all replies to you - it just wasn't your day to fast then - pick another one and start again. Yes, you can do it. Mind you, I fighting hunger pangs today (2nd fast of first week of new WOE) - the kettle is doing a lot of boiling this week - WW hot choc at 40 cals awaits....
let us all know when you are fasting and someone will be there to support you smile

right i've made it so far just on tea and water but it has been hard. not so much physically today - not feeling sick or anything - just a bit unsettled mentally and a tad irritable.

want to go as long as possible (and as close to bedtime as possible) before eating as i feel like the floodgates of hunger/munchiness are going to open when i do.

i'm pleased with myself for sticking with it so far as i had the perfect excuse for not doing so. i really really want to do this. have carried this extra weight for over a year and i don't want to carry it forever.

Minimammoth Wed 13-Feb-13 16:02:03

DoubleMum I would try some gentle yoga balances. Hold on to a chair if you feel a bit wobbly. Engage abs and pelvic floor. Put one foot on top of the other. Then progress to moving it higher up your leg. Let go of the chair when confident. Keep it easy. Good luck.
porridge me too and also feel am not going to make it, had scrambled egg, soup, drinks, so have reached 500. But am really hungry.

sorry - very me me me today because i'm struggling!

welcome to newcomers and my top tip is always have a hardboiled egg in your handbag on a fast day. if you can't do any longer you have a complete food right there that is 90cals. no decision making or ending up in a foodie environment looking at it all just eat your egg.

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 16:08:17

Porridge you can do it, you started off well. Try and think about what made you reach for the chocolate biscuits. Was it because you saw them, or because you couldn't stop thinking about them? Remember fast days are much easier if you are busy. If you are tempted by anything think "I'll just finish this task then see how I feel" often by the time you have finished whatever it was you were doing the hunger wave will have passed.

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 16:10:07

swallowed Find something to do (not MN!) ) distraction techniques are the best thing. Or else do some exercise. I'm going to log off MN and do my Shred in a minute.

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Feb-13 16:34:14

porridge I've done a fast on a hangover before, it is not fun. Write today off (don't go mad) and make tomorrow your fast day.

I love the tip about the boiled egg in your handbag, I can't wait till I see someone pull one out of their bag in rl grin

ever2optimistic Wed 13-Feb-13 16:35:37

Hi lottie63, just replying to your post of this morning. Good to hear from you and well done for losing your 9lb. Great to hear there is someone else out there my height and weight! Don't worry about going away this weekend, just fast a couple of days next week to make up. This WOL is meant to accommodate real life after all! The great thing, I think, is that when I have a roast dinner or birthday cake, I don't think 'well there's no point in carrying on with the diet', it's just part of normal life and I'll make up for it on the fast days and get all the metabolic benefits anyway. I'll be very happy to get to 8st 7lb but a little lower would be even better. Don't want to look too thin in the face though, which is where it tends to show. Good luck for the weekend, enjoy it.

catsrus Wed 13-Feb-13 16:44:08

swallowed I hate 2 in a row - feels like being on a diet wink I don't try it now though it works for some. porridge I can't fast with even the teensiest hangover or very late night - carbs call out to me and again, feels like being on a diet. I'm not "on a diet" I've changed my eating habits and lost 27lb grin.

We really don't beat ourselves up on this WOE, there's always another day to fast and even a mini fast has health benefits, win win.

BsshBossh Wed 13-Feb-13 16:52:13

DoubleMum I agree with trying more balance exercises. My mum has had both knees replaced and her physio gave her a 30 mins exercise routine purely based on balance. If my mum does them every day she sees great improvement in terms of walking for longer periods of time. Unfortunately she doesn't do them often enough. Could you see a physio?

PORRIDGEANYONE Wed 13-Feb-13 16:59:51

Thank you so much for your encouragements, today is a write off !!! Thank you so much !!

Betterlatethan Wed 13-Feb-13 17:02:01

Hello all,

Been a while since I posted on here. Hello to all the newbies! Still feel like one myself as I have only been doing this since the beginning of the year.
Whilst i have a little time, I wanted to post a little of my experiences so far in order to help those of you who are struggling, especially porridge.
Today was supposed to be a fast day, but I am both very prementstrual plus doing a fast with only one day between my last has never worked for me (my Monday fasts are always a breeze). Hence I gave in to my craving for a cadburys caramel bar (and very nice it was too!). Lesson number one: don't beat yourself up and do what your body is telling you. Once upon a time, I would have been really cross with myself and told myself I was a failure, but now, I just think that missing one fast in the grand scheme of things isn't going to cause a massive problem, and I have got the rest of the week to make up for it (I don't actually due to social commitments, but who cares, Monday I'll be back on track).
In case you want to know the stats, I'm 5 foot 6 and I was 11 stone 8 when I started. I'm now 11 stone and want to lose 1 stone to get to my goal. For 3 of those early weeks, the scales didn't budge, and in fact went up slightly for 2 of those weeks, but I don't see this as a quick fix, and certainly don't need to reach my goal by a magical time... I just want to be healthy, and the benefits I have seen so far may not be in terms of dramatic weight loss, but I have seen such dramatic changes in pmt, energy etc, that fitting into my jeans is a lovely side effect, and even though that was the reason I started this WOE in the first place, it isn't the reason why I continue it anymore. In fact, I haven't weighed myself for a week, so I'm not sure what my weight is anymore!

Anyway, just wanted to give everyone a bit of a virtual hug and tell you not to worry and go with the flow. Yes the hunger pangs do pass and yes, usually I feel great after a fast, but I know enough now when I know I need to eat rather than abstain, and in time you will too!

KnittedCharacter Wed 13-Feb-13 17:02:25

hi. I have only just discovered this 5:2 diet (havent started it yet). I have been using the MF app and sticking to 1400 cals a day. I have lost 8 lbs in four weeks which i am chuffed at. However like most of us i love my food so when i heard about this 5:2 diet it sounded right up my street. I dont have lots to lose. am 10 st 4 currently so ideally would like to be 9 st 10 ish give or take. (height of 5ft 6.5).

I dont know when to move onto the 5:2 diet as i am worried all my hard work will be wasted and i may end up putting it all back on when doing the non fast days.

On the non fast days i wont go crazy on binging but does it mean i can enjoy a lunch out having a meal with chips and also enjoy treats etc? am worried i may go overboard but at the same time dont want to count calories especially as its to be a WOL. thanks for any advice in advance. And well done to all those who are currently on it.

Betterlatethan Wed 13-Feb-13 17:05:29

Hello catsrus! Good to see you on here giving some encouragement. You were always lovely to me when I started! thanks

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 17:06:19

Well done swallowedAfly I am hugely impressed as I am not ready to be fasting all day, I need breakfast though I guess that might change over the weeks. You are quite right to be pleased with yourself!

A question - does anyone "use" the calories they burn through exercise i.e. allow themselves additional calories on fast days? I only ask because I see on my fitness pal app that it deducts these - though usefully still showing what cals have been eaten, under food. I realise that for weight loss purposes it makes sense NOT to eat cals burned but I am interested in what others do and what effect it has had. Thank you.

DoubleMum Wed 13-Feb-13 17:08:34

Thanks to those who recommended the Pukka liquorice and peppermint tea, just had some in a grocery delivery and it's lovely! I don't usually like any herbal tea but peppermint but this is definitely the exception.
Bssh I did see a physio for a while after the ops, but she didn't prescribe any balance exercises. I'll have a look on youtube and see what's about.

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 17:12:02

Knittedcharacter check out all the info on the Fast Diet info at top of this page - will answer lots of your questions. You shouldn't undo all your good work if you stick to your TDEE (again, see above for various links to understand the lingo).

Hope it works for you - I only started this week but feel like I've been doing it for months with all the info and advice shared by everyone on this wonderful thread!

Betterlatethan Wed 13-Feb-13 17:15:34

Hi knitted

Good to see you on here. First thing I would say is start whenever you want, but you may want to get clued up on the health benefits first. Have a read of the links on here and also the tips and links thread. You may want to start on a day that you have loads to do or are out of the house so you aren't tempted by food and make sure you stay hydrated. Also start with slightly more that 500 cals if you feel that is too restrictive, you can always work your way down.

This is more of a way of life rather than a diet, so just using a fast day as an excuse to eat loads the next day may not work ( don't worry, we all started with that mentality!) you will still need to eat to your TDEE in order for you to lose weight if that is what you want. You may find in time, (like me) that the health benefits outweigh the perceived weight loss and you could carry on this way forever!

Good luck...

newlook i wouldn't eat them on a fast day - it's not just the calories you're sticking under but also giving your body a rest from quantity of food it has to slog through and digest and process for elimination you know?

i'm still without food. managed to sneak in 20mins meditation and it really soothed me. a hoping to wait till ds is in bed before i eat so i can head to bed pretty much straight after. i like really early night's on fast days.

think i will just have a 3 egg omelette with some turkey ham and a tiny bit of edam cheese grated in.

KnittedCharacter Wed 13-Feb-13 17:21:17

Hi thank you for your replies. I will definitley give it a go. My fiance is going to start it too does anyone have any ideas what he could take to work for his lunch on a fast day! Think lunch time is where he will struggle

boiled egg, handful of prawns and some salad?

Knitted - DH has 2 plain ryvita, and 60g of fat free cottage cheese (90 cals) (20 cals each) and a mug of bovril (20cals) for 15g) and that does him well until dinner. He has rooibos or lemon and honey first thing.

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 17:32:12

Thanks Swallowed - good advice, thank you. It is liberating not eating but I am finding that I'm a bit "floaty" at the mo - flitting about. Come to think of it, I guess it feels strange as I would usually graze ALL the time - so I am having to do other things. It sounds like I am incredibly lazy! I'm not working at the mo - temporarily and first time in over 10 years - so all of this is strange as I am adapting.

Mentally feels like a really positive WOL and will certainly feel good when weight starts to come off.

I have never looked into meditation - I will have to check that out. Thank you.

BetsyVanBell Wed 13-Feb-13 17:36:23

Hi knitted. My DH is doing this now too - I'm sending him to work with a Glorious Meal Soup to make it nice and easy for him! A whole pot is just over half a man's calorie allowance (depending on which one I suppose...) so then he can join me for a light supper - tomorrow will be a pile of salad leaves & prawns dressed with lime, ginger & chilies. I was looking at Innocent meal pots too today which look good.

You might feel the desire to binge but actually after a few fasts it's really hard to - I definitely have a case of eyes bigger than my stomach these days! Only managed one pancake yesterday and felt stupidly full and bloated.

newlook - i have a webpage with a load of podcast guided meditations if you're interested. i find them really relaxing and settling. learning to meditate is great but these little guided tracks are easy ways to relax and settle your mind.

6pm! another hour and i will put ds to bed and get my dinner.

i am literally taking it one hour at a time today! bit like an alcoholic in detox wink

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 18:17:24

Thanks *swallowedAfly" I would love to look at your webpage please - are you able to put the link on this thread or point me in the right direction please - thanks! could be v useful diversion, methinks!

I am about to have soup while chn have pasta and goujons - that's fine, mine will be delicious!

Only few more hours, then bed and TOMORROW - yay! Keep going everyone grin

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 18:23:28

betterlatethan, great to hear your "story" and words of encouragement. I'm similarish in terms of size (though am a little shorter than you) so it's interesting to hear that you didn't lose for the first three weeks.
I'm on second fast of this week so intend to weigh for the first time tomorrow.
Have to say that I'm enjoying the feeling of hunger a couple of times a week and feel quite full of energy but I'll still feel very "pouty" (can't remember who coined that phrase but I love it!) if I've not lost anything.
Wish me luck!
I'll update the news in the morning...

Fillybuster Wed 13-Feb-13 18:26:49

Still in the office, still haven't eaten anything all day....getting a bit hungry now though!

My top tips: cut up quarter of a cucumber into really thin long strips...they fill the 'munchy' urge, and take a while to eat (and only about 30cal). I find a medium size bag of washed mixed salad leaves (about 40cal) also helps if I treat it like a bag of crisps...

Never go out without an emergency 'something'...a few cherry tomatoes might be less noticeable than a boiled egg, though smile

Sliced lemon and fresh sliced ginger are your friends....chuck them in hot water, with or without a tea bag, and you have some decent flavour.

If you're in the office (as I am), invest in a decent small thermos flask and some nice herbal teabags (another vote for Pukka....just started on the vanilla chai today)...that way you can top up your drinks during meetings and hold off the eating urges.

Right, time to go home and find some food. Today got sooooo much easier once I was in the office, despite the bag of mini toblerones on my desk smile

newlook here

decided to look in the cupboards and found a can of batchelors condensed low fat cream of mushroom soup. it is delicious - broken my fast with a bowl of it with added black pepper and coriander - still have another bowl left and the whole thing (makes up to 600ml) comes to only 138cals and is really creamy. also good for a sauce on a fast day given it's low fat and condensed - could go nicely with tuna on a bed of spinach and cabbage maybe.

well done fillybuster smile

charliegreentea Wed 13-Feb-13 18:44:32

Hi everyone,

I've just completed my 3rd fasting day and am very happy with the results! Mon (weigh in and fast), Tues (down 500g and normal eating day), Wed (fast day), Thurs (down another 1kg and normal eating day). So that's a loss of 1.5kg in my first week! (I started last Thurs, but didn't weight myself until Sun). I realise this is water loss, but it's a very exciting start smile

Just thought I'd post my progress for anyone who is lurking and contemplating this WOE. I lurked for 2 months before taking the plunge and wish I'd started sooner!

Minimammoth Wed 13-Feb-13 19:15:12

Swallowed that looks a lovely site. I shall pass on to other meditators, I know.

catsrus Wed 13-Feb-13 19:38:27

Hi betterlate <waves> good to see you on here too smile

basildonbond Wed 13-Feb-13 19:52:47

day 2, week 3 here

getting easier and I'm feeling much lighter

I don't know how much I've lost but it's definitely going in the right direction

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 20:01:15

some lovely posts on here well done betterlate

Thanks new look and minmammoth the book I mentioned reccommends standing on one foot whilst brushing teeth, all very interesting.
blush my fast went a little pear shaped I think for the following reasons
1) After excersise I thought maybe I should eat even though I wasn't hungry
2) I started eating too early
3) I had lots of sugar free chewing gum
4) I decided to try and do a double fast by planning to carry on tomorrow and my body obv went into survivor mode!

GiraffesEatPineapples Wed 13-Feb-13 20:02:43

Oh and 5) I was in the house a lot more than on monday's fast (which was a breeze)

ellenbrody Wed 13-Feb-13 20:09:11

Just made my packed lunch tomorrow, 2 ryvitas, 1/4 cucumber and a small pot of extra light Philly. Dinner is planned as salmon fillet and salad. The rest of the family will have Cous Cous aswell.
I will have lots of weak sugar free squash/ water, some herbal teas and a couple of black coffees.
I love proper builders tea, so have allowed 150 ml of skimmed (50 cals) for my required 'fix'.
I have a pot of jelly for pudding and will busy myself with a shred when I get home from work. I get in at about 4:30, and from then till dinner at 6ish is 'danger time'!
This will be my 4th fast and I have not exceeded my TDEE, nor been much under and the scales have only moved 1/2 lb, does this sound normal?
I have a normal bmi and as such don't really need to lose, I'm just curious really.

well i have made it. that soup has really filled me up, ds is in bed and i'm knackered and it turns out i have more than enough calories left to eat the multi pack size snickers that was in the cupboard blush not healthy i know but i'm not hungry for more food just for chew and pleasure and the calories are there so should be ok? will come out under 500 still.

looking forward to a good night's sleep and possibly going out for a nice lunch with a friend tomorrow. next fast won't be till monday i think so i'm going to try and not go too mad till then. think i might look at my tdee and try and roughly aim at it each day (not obsessive calorie counting - just guess-timating) and see where that takes me.

thank you for the support and listening to me go on and on today - really needed it and it did help smile

good luck to those hitting their danger time zones - nearly bedtime and you've come this far so it would be a shame to waste it and remember tomorrow you can eat and not feel guilty x

mamamoomin2 Wed 13-Feb-13 20:20:10

What are people's thoughts on the points in this article about the body breaking down protein before fat?

m.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/what-you-should-know-before-going-on-a-fast/article8461083/?service=mobile

oh and giraffe - i'd say it was probably your mind that went into panic/survivor mode rather than your body. maybe take a day at a time - just get through the fast you're doing rather than project to the next the one or make decisions about the next day?

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Feb-13 20:21:29

newlook just set your daily allowance on mfp to your TDEE, which already takes into account how active you are, then you not need to worry about logging exercise and how much you should eat back. Plus imo mfp massively over estimates how many calories you would burn from exercise anyway.

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 20:23:31

Thank you Swallowed - I look forward to exploring that site - looks really lovely. Soup sounds like great staple for cupboard.

survivingwinter Wed 13-Feb-13 20:27:45

Hi newbie here!

I'm just coming to the end of my first fast day and have to admit it's been an awful struggle. I am so hungry I could cry and have been useless with the kids all day sad

I'm actually defecting from a low carb diet which has been brilliant for weight loss until recently when I started putting weight back on again really easily. I was almost at my target weight but need to maintain it rather than lose much more but fasting doesn't seem like the way forward to me unless it gets any easier???

Newlook Wed 13-Feb-13 20:29:32

Thanks itsaboat I have set it to my TDEE so won't allow the extra cals - no point in fooling myself!

Well done swallowed you have been so supportive - cheers!

Thanks everyone for today thanks - I really found the thread extremely helpful today.

Itsaboatjack Wed 13-Feb-13 20:39:54

mamamoomin2 wrt to that article,

His concern is that many people are fasting without realizing they may be losing crucial muscle mass. The danger is that as protein in the body breaks down, it could lead to other unwanted side effects, such as altered immunity. In order to fight infections, the body needs to produce antibodies, a type of protein. But when the body is breaking down protein for fuel, it may not send the right signal to make antibodies, Lau said.

Well from a purely personal experience I have had a cold and throat infection whilst following this woe, but it has not been nearly as bad as I usually get them. I am prone to throat infections and when I do get them I get wiped out by them, this one though I've not even taken anything for and been able to carry on with my life as normal, still working, doing school runs etc. But as I said that's purely anecdotal.

nicnac58 Wed 13-Feb-13 20:49:43

Four weeks in and I have lost 2lbs sad(. Keep reminding myself about the health benefits, but really do need to lose more weight, between 21/2 and 3 stone. First week it appears I didn't eat enough, kept to 1200 cals on feast day. Following that increased food intake to between 15/1600 a day. Stayed away from the scales and was hoping for at least 4 or 5lbs but no. Not sure what I am doing wrong, any successful dieters out there who would be willing to give me a run down of how they have been doing things so I can see if there is a pattern out there that I am missing

Gherkinsmummy Wed 13-Feb-13 20:55:12

mamamoomin2 wrt to that article, short sharp fasts like most of us are doing shouldn't be a concern. Intermittent fasting is nothing new and we aren't starving, merely eating less.

Gherkinsmummy Wed 13-Feb-13 20:56:34

I'd really recommend combining IF with low carbing if you aren't seeing results.

ErikNorseman Wed 13-Feb-13 20:58:06

Are you weighing on the same day each week? Do you eat a lot of salty food? Drink plenty of water? I think you should probably try eating a bit more. What is your TDEE? Can you have a week of eating close to it on eating days, and see how you go? It's odd that you are losing so slowly, I'm sure you can tweak it to work.

Dotty342kids Wed 13-Feb-13 21:02:47

Aw ninac, sorry to hear you're so disheartened. I don't have any specific advice to offer yet as I'm only coming to the end of my fourth fast day and have first weigh in tomorrow morning!
But just wanted to offer my support and encouragement and say that I've seen other people say that their loss was gradual from the offset but that it does continue downwards an, that they feel good on it so maybe stick with it for a while longer....

Gherkinsmummy Wed 13-Feb-13 21:10:36

Oh yes only weigh after a poo and before eating on the same scales smile

nicnac58 Wed 13-Feb-13 21:15:12

Thanks ErikNorseman and Dotty342 kids have only weighed myself twice, first time after the 3rd fast day, second time 3 weeks later after the fast day; first thing in the morning. I try and drink at least a litre of water everyday. Don't eat processd foods and don't tend to put salt on my food although I do salt potatoes if I boil them. Not other veg as I steam them. Not too sure about my TDEE but my BMR is 1506,

npg1 Wed 13-Feb-13 21:15:55

Hi all. Bad day for me today. I had decided on a fast day and had done well until 3.30pm. Had cup a soup and rice for lunch and was going to have weetabix for dinner but I got a migraine and had to eat something. So then had snack a jacks and a pjtta with chicken breast for dinner sad thinking im not cut out to fast. X

frenchfancy Wed 13-Feb-13 21:17:12

Gerkinsmummy but that article is talking specifically about short term rasting like AF or 5:2.

To my mind it goes against the evidence that many body builders are using AF as part of their routine. Surely if they were losing muscle mass they would stop pretty quickly. I have read elsewhere someone recommending exercise in congunction with 5:2 as (the theroy goes) if you are using your muscles your body knows it can't burn them so if finds something else. But if you are not using your muscles then they are fair game.

dotty i started this WOE a similar time to you I think.today has been 2nd fast of 3 rd week. so far ive weighed in after every fast but dont think Im going to keep doing that because its too disappointing if Ive not lost. I lost 2.6 lbs after the first week,then put on half pound after 2nd week. tomorrow morning Ill weigh myself and I too will be ' pouty' if Ive not lost.My start weight was 11 st 2 lbs ,now 11 st ,and im a short arse 5' 3".
Like you I think its probably more motivating to weigh after 2nd fast of the week .Good luck to everyone tomorrow if youre fasting.Im away tomorrow for weekend so did my fast a day earlier,usually Mon/ Thurs .My initial goal is to go down a dress size ( size 16 norks,and 14 bottoms.)

mamamoomin2 Wed 13-Feb-13 21:34:22

French fancy - do you think just doing extra walking counts? I'm not really doing anything else...but am thinking about yoga a couple of times a week..

Ninunina Wed 13-Feb-13 21:48:10

My second fast day is coming to an end and again I've only eaten 400kcal. Do you think I should try and eat an extra 100?
I have quite a headache this evening though, which could be from fasting but is probably also from not drinking enough. This is probably TMI but I find myself peeing a lot on fast days. Would that be my body getting rid of excess water?

Gherkinsmummy Wed 13-Feb-13 21:58:47

As a long term if-er and paleo dieter, you should be lifting heavy things, but only once a week.

BsshBossh Wed 13-Feb-13 23:01:11

Another fast day approaches. On the one hand I'm really looking forward to it as an opportunity to provide a break to my digestive system plus I like the feeling of lightness and emptiness; on the other hand I'm a little apprehensive as it's the first time I'm fasting during TOM and the first time I'll be truly housebound (won't even be able to "waste" a few hours working or at the gym). It will be interesting....

Captainladder Wed 13-Feb-13 23:22:20

Bsshbossh good luck, being housebound does provide a challenge! TOM not so much I've found, just made me feel a bit more tired but less bloaty than normal!

BsshBossh Wed 13-Feb-13 23:28:04

Thanks Captain.

ThinkICan Thu 14-Feb-13 02:58:12

Itsaboat and "Mamamoomin* - about your concern on the article that says body breaks down protein first and is prone to more infections. Don't think intermittent fasting does this to our system, at least it hasn't to mine. Maybe it's for people who eat nothing at all for longer periods than we do. It probably helps to eat more nutrient-dense foods like fruits and veggies and whole grain during our fasts.

ThinkICan Thu 14-Feb-13 03:02:47

Just saw the article and as frenchfancy notes, the article speaks of 5:2 also. So we should probably try and build muscles by increasing our exercise so we prevent muscle loss.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Feb-13 06:47:58

Exercise - hmmm not very good at that will have to try & think of what I can do that wont inflame my joints. Went shopping yesterday walked for an hour around the shops. Result is that today can't get out of bed. Hey ho.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 14-Feb-13 06:48:20

Oh & I hate swimming!

Snowkey Thu 14-Feb-13 06:49:52

Mamamoomins article - I have been ill 3 times since Sept, which is pretty unusual for me - twice I've had flu and one septic throat - it could be bad luck, it could be fasting. I exercise 5 times a week, I haven't noticed any loss of muscle mass.

mamamoomin2 Thu 14-Feb-13 07:46:52

Interesting. Well I will try and get my behind in gear and do something physical! I have a 1yr old which is a kinda work out in itself.

I hate the idea that I'm losing loads of weight but not all of it is fat. I've been putting so much faith in it being the wobbly stuff going.

hollyloveswilky Thu 14-Feb-13 07:59:19

First time poster long time lurker on this thread, just wanted to share my experience on this diet...I have been doing ADF since 20 January and weighed myself this morning - lost just over 10 pounds in 4.5 weeks. I am too much of a piglet to do 5:2! My TDEE is pretty high (2400) as I have two active jobs and have to cycle between them, so I usually aim for 500 but end up somewhere around 600, which is fine I guess as it's still 1/4 of the TDEE.

I have to say I found the first two weeks made me exceptionally crabby and I felt pretty weak on the morning after fast days, but that's settled down now. I find this way of eating much easier than any other regime I've tried (and I've tried tons) although I have to say, on fast days I do tend to eat more rubbish than I used to because I CAN smile I don't count on eating days as it does my head in, but the weight seems to be dropping off fairly consistently. I think I'll go to 5:2 when I am in the maintenance stage, and hopefully stick at that as it really does work.

For anyone in the first few days, keep going - I didn't think I could do it but it gets easier and easier as time goes on. I find it easier to eat a variation of the same things on fast days as it saves me bothering to count cals - veg based soup or crispbreads topped with salmon and cottage cheese for lunch for example. I've got a couple of recipes on my blog for soup if anyone's stuck for ideas girlandjeansreunited.wordpress.com...it gets a bit boring just having those nasty tinned soups from the shops. If you need something sweet I go for those diet jellies with a bit of tinned or frozen fruit thrown in, or ice pops (I'm in Australia so these are needed, probably a bit early for all you UK-ers!). Another find was Petit Filous yoghurts - they're less than 70 cals per pot and are just big enough to take the edge off and stop me from diving head first into the ice cream!

hollyloveswilky Thu 14-Feb-13 08:02:36

whoops ticked the wrong box (can you tell I'm new) - http://girlandjeansreunited.wordpress.com sorry blush

DoubleMum Thu 14-Feb-13 08:03:16

I need to force myself to exercise too.
Am now regretting having a salad for my dinner last night as now I've woken up hungry, and it's a fast day.
* Mental note * eat something substantial the night before a fast day.

artemis17 Thu 14-Feb-13 08:25:33

Morning all, not sure if i was the first but i certainly used the word "pouty" to describe how i felt last Friday after not losing anything, hadnt seen it used before, then saw Ezza used it on Monday smile I think its a good way to describe how we get petualnt over things, and i use it in regard to many things...
Maybe it can be adopted as " the word" to describe our feeling when we dont see the result we expect lol..

BetsyVanBell Thu 14-Feb-13 08:26:00

Good morning all - fast day here for me, another challenging one I expect, trapped in the house for the morning awaiting a boiler engineer, and if this rain keeps up I'll have trouble getting the kids out this afternoon. Am going to keep going as long as possible today - easier to experiment with that when not working at least and have even not put milk in my morning tea.

DH is now fasting with me but I see he's forgotten to take his soup lunch in - maybe he'll go the whole day without and he'll probably find it really easy too envy!

the thing with that article, thought it gives incredibly little detail of the process by which muscle would be lost and i would be interested in seeing more evidence and detail, is that if we are to believe it then surely no one would EVER burn fat until they'd lost all their protein/muscle?

the same process would apply whether you were eating 500 cals under your bodies needs or 500 cals total - the body would allegedly burn your muscles before it burnt fat.

so i'm afraid i don't buy it. there is not enough info in it to make a solid judgement and looking at it logically it cannot be right or the logical conclusion would be that no one should ever restrict calories because they'll lose their muscles.

made it through last night and it was worth it for the scales this morning though no doubt there's another upswing to come before the next fast i'm now at bang on 11st8 so exactly 6lbs down in just over 2 weeks. on a graph it would be a weird line as after each fast the weight goes up a bit again but it has never gone back up to a level over the level it was at before the last fast if that makes sense.

i am weighing myself because i want to understand what's going on with my weight - re: how much of each fast loss goes back on in between and then how much it comes down again after the next fast etc. i'm glad i'm doing that because i can see that the overall trend is going down.

good luck to everyone fasting today. i can eat today but will try not to go too mad. think my tdee is at 1970 now but realistically i'm not working so not doing much so it's probably less. next fast will be monday i think and i bet i'll be relieved to get to monday after a sedentary and eating period before then.

BsshBossh Thu 14-Feb-13 08:33:10

BetsyVanBell I'm fasting and housebound today too (I need to supervise builders in the house). Usually I keep busy with gym and work but can't do either today. Fingers crossed it won't go pear-shaped.

and tbh if you were 5st overweight what would be the most pressing issue? losing that fat before it kills you or worrying about losing a fraction of your muscle tone that is probably pretty naff anyway and can't be improved because your body is under so much strain from fat it can't do much exercise? the biggest threat is the fat so you would work to lose the fat and then work on improving muscle tone.

muscle tone can be built back up if you are healthy enough to exercise. type 2 diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, etc are not so easy to come back from.

Snowkey Thu 14-Feb-13 08:36:03

The thing is Dr David Lau who has made the comment in Moomin's article is an advocate of low carb eating. He seems to suggest the body adapts to a lack of carb via protein burning before it starts burning fat...which suggests it's the intermittent nature that causes the problem.