5:2 Diet Thread! Number 9, welcoming the new year...

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GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 00:14:08

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- we won't bite. Well, maybe on a fast day. wink You'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one etc!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

B&W has found a new link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here. If you're keen to see it, watch it soon, because BBC has been quick to find these copies and shut them down online. We're hoping they'll re-play it again soon. I know these threads are popular, maybe they'll read my request. wink

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. We tend to favour lots of hot drinks during the day (count your milk if you use it!)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We mentioned BMR and TDEE often. Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day. (This is a new calculator to previous threads, this one seems to give me approximately the same results the last one did, but without the virus warnings on my browser!)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Breadandwine Thu 10-Jan-13 00:22:29

Hi GreenEggs! On the ball, as usual! smile

We cross posted on the last thread - but I'm safely here, now! grin

Breadandwine Thu 10-Jan-13 00:26:13

Meant to say, GE - there were over 80 posts yesterday. Highest total for a while. smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 00:46:15

shock Yes I knew we had quite a few, I honestly thought I wouldn't do a new thread til tomorrow afternoon. I just checked an hour ago and thought I should go ahead and copy links over just in case we had a rash of overnight posting. grin

rosemarysage Thu 10-Jan-13 00:48:36

I've been doing this WOE since August after watching the BBC documentary. I've lost most of the weight I wanted to lose (16 pounds lost so far) and only have a few pounds to go smile.

A friend of mind sent me this today which he came across:

Free full text: www.jdmdonline.com/content/pdf/2251-6581-12-4.pdf

Research article

The effects of modified alternate-day fasting diet on weight loss and CAD risk factors in overweight and obese women

Samira Eshghinia and Fatemeh Mohammadzadeh

Journal of Diabetes & Metabolic Disorders 2013, 12:4 doi:10.1186/2251-6581-12-4

Published: 9 January 2013

Abstract (provisional)
Obesity is a worldwide health problem with increasing prevalence. Decrease in energy intake has been shown to lower the risk of coronary artery disease in obese subjects. The common form of dietary restriction is daily calorie restriction (CR). Another form is alternate-day fasting (ADF). This study examined the ability of modified ADF to facilitate weight loss and lower cardiovascular risk factors in overweight and obese women.

15 adult subjects completed an 8 weeks trial (2 weeks observed and 6 weeks ADF). All women consumed very low calorie diet on the fast day and usually diet in every other day. Body weight (BW), fat mass and blood pressure (BP) were measured. Fasting blood samples were collected at the first and 57th day of trial for biochemical analysis.

During the course of the trial, BW of the subjects decreased (p<0/0001) from 84/3+/-11/44 kg to 78/3+/-10/18 kg. Waist Circumference decreased from 87/87+/-9/74 to 82/86+/-9/68(p<0/001). Reduction in systolic BP was seen from 114.8 +/- 9.16 to 105.13 +/- 10.19 mmHg (p<0/001) and diastolic BP changed from 82.86 +/- 10.6 to 74.5 +/- 10.8 (P<0.05). Total cholesterol decreased from 227/73+/-49/96 to 214/67+/-43/27, TG from 160/5+/-46/18 to 143/9+/-22/77, LDL from 149/46+/-49/81 to 131/3+/- 50/97, and FBS from 102+/-14/7 to 96+/- 11/79 mg/dl but were not significant. HDL increased from 42/32+/-18/01 to 50/58+/- 19/46 and was not significant.

These finding suggest that short time ADF is a viable dietary option to help obese individuals lose weight and decrease some CAD risk factors. More and longer-term studies in human subjects are needed to support this important result.

catsrus Thu 10-Jan-13 01:04:49

More good science - thanks for that link Rosemary

Fast day tomorrow and I can't get to sleep - and I have to get up early :-( am resisting the temptation to get a nightcap.... Just! Night all.

rosemarysage Thu 10-Jan-13 01:15:43

I thought maybe I should clarify, especially for the new people who might think that is not a lot of loss over that time. I was the upper end of a normal BMI but am now middling, so I didn't have a lot to lose to start off with. I also cannot exercise (due to illness) so the loss is purely diet related. And I had weeks off fasting as well.

I have done mostly 5:2 and 4:3 but did some 6:1 weeks when I wasn't feeling well, or during TOTM, and also took some weeks off when feeling extra bad and for Christmas (about 6 weeks off the fasting alltogether since August).

Once I was doing 5:2 or 4:3 I was losing about a pound a week, mostly off my belly, thighs and a bit off my back (where I definitely had some extra fat), so it seems to me that it was mostly fat that I lost.

I did seem to have put up 2 pounds over Christmas but after one fast day I had lost it, and some extra, so I'm guessing some of that extra weight was just water retention.

I found the first fast day after Christmas almost like my very first one, and I found it really hard and ended up eating a little over 700 calories as I just couldn't stick to 500, but I did another fast yesterday which I found easy and ended up a bit under 500 cals.

rosemarysage Thu 10-Jan-13 01:22:37

A few more thoughts...

One funny thing I found over Christmas is that I didn't have much desire for overeating, sweet foods, or junk, and I ate fairly sensibly. shock I eat fairly sensibly anyway, but still I ate less treats than I thought I would want to eat.

I ate a bit more than I would normally, snacked a bit more than I do now, and some of the food was richer than what I would usually have, but I didn't have any inclination to go crazy or anything. I just had some treats when I felt like it, so didn't feel deprived, but I was a bit surprised myself that I didn't feel particularly tempted to eat a lot of treats even though they were everywhere grin.

I think some of it was from the habit of the fasting days where there is delayed gratification. I'm so used to telling myself "no, not to today, maybe tomorrow if I feel like it" that I find it very easy now to just leave things until I really want them, and not eat like every meal is my last and also I don't like an over-full feeling.

I've dipped in and out of reading these threads and have found them very supportive and encouraging so thanks everyone for contributing smile. I am thinking of telling other people what I have been doing now, and showing them these treads (I have only mentioned to a very few people in real-life that I am doing this so far, as it might sound a bit crazy to anyone who hasn't seen the documentary, and I wanted to lose the weight first before they might weigh-in grin with any negative opinions).

Breadandwine Thu 10-Jan-13 01:50:42

Good stuff, rosemary - quite understand your last comment!

Hopefully, with the book now out, more and more people will have heard about IF and its benefits.

A lot of posters (most!) find, as you have, that they don't feel so inclined to go after treats on their eating days. It's as if the body resets itself once fasting becomes routine.

I'm just coming to the end of my second fast day this week - and I feel more alive, and alert than I did at any time over Christmas, where I did indulge myself somewhat.

I know it's time for bed - but I'm buzzing! grin

I'll transfer that research over to the Links thread tomorrow - it's all good, and yet more grist to the mill. Thanks.


Ezzza Thu 10-Jan-13 03:11:08

Wow! Thread 9 already.

Just a note re the wine v. doughnut calories debate at the end of the last thread. That is actually plausible!

When I'm watching my alcohol or calorie intake I do stick to the 100ml glass of wine for a treat, but when not watching my intake my 'glass' of wine can get quite generous. 300ml isn't that unusual and I don't think I'm the only one - that's over 250 kcal! A Krispie Kreme powdered strawberry filled doughnut has 248 calories.

I didn't see the program on C4 that made the comparison but could that be why?

OddBoots Thu 10-Jan-13 06:41:13

Good morning. smile Thank you for the new thread.

The exercise video link looks interesting, I'll have a look at that.

Yesterday wasn't a fast day for me, it was a second non-fast day in a roiw which felt rather odd as I had been doing ADF for a week so had fasted the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th. I didn't eat until the afternoon and at a guess had around 1000kcal. It's a fast day for me today. smile

I will be weighing tomorrow and hope this weigh-in will be the one to bring me out of 'obese'.

Snowkey Thu 10-Jan-13 07:04:37

Signing in..used to love Krispy creme donuts till I had a look at their ingredients list - thankfully it was full of rubbish - a lot worse than normal, haven't touched them since. Weigh in this morning put me back into my pre Christmas weight, might lose another few pounds, I'm still doing dry January and going sugar free, so my Achilles have been eliminated.

frenchfancy Thu 10-Jan-13 07:20:36

Morning all. Fasting today, and I woke up absolutely ravenous. Normally I'm not interested in food for the first hour or so. Oh well!

Laska I'm doing to C25K too. Just finished week 2. The weight is definitely coming off quicker as a result, even though the runs don't really use that many cals (my pedometer showed 104 cals sad ) It has generally made me want to exercise more, so Wii fit has been ordered and will be here by the weekend.

Good luck to all fasters today.

Ilovegoodfoodandwine Thu 10-Jan-13 07:38:29

Morning all, my 3rd day of fasting and after having such a large weight loss the first week I feel very motivated. I do still feel I need a soup lunch though. That would mean 17 hours without food, so that will do for now. I am even trying a black coffee, bitter but I will try and get used to it. Right off to work now.. Have a good day everyone smile

maniacbug Thu 10-Jan-13 07:54:39

Hello, my 2nd fast day today and just been planning how to spend my 500 cals on MFP. Cannot believe I have just weighed out 4g of Twiglets.
Anyway, 2 quick qu's:

I foolishly ate rather late last night due to a minor bedtime drama, which means that I have to wait till 2pm if I want to get to 16hrs, which I do... Just wondered, is miso soup considered 'food' or a 'hot drink'?

Also, I got an Innocent veg pot for dinner, but MFP has its calories at either 390 or 312, whereas the pot itself says 316. Which should I believe?!
Thanks + good luck to all today.
PS chipstick if you're there, how's the head?

OddBoots Thu 10-Jan-13 08:16:18

I would go with the kcal on the pot itself, or if you really want to then take an average. 500kcal a day is only a figure guessed at, we are all going to be different in what works for us anyway so don't let a few calories from vegetables worry you. I have no idea about the soup as a food, sorry.

Snowkey Thu 10-Jan-13 08:30:01

Frenchfancy I don't know why your pedometer is recording such a low value, I'd expect 20 mins do cardio to burn over 200kcals. I run and the difference between calories used on a fast run and a slow run isn't that much. Anyway you should look forward to burning around 350kcal for a 5k run....I did the C25k last this time last year, it's brilliant, I'm still running!

Salbertina Thu 10-Jan-13 08:43:50

Hello all
grin at weighing out twiglets!

My 2nd fast this week- intend to go 22-24 hrs from yesterday if i don't expire first
Then have low carb meal up to 400/500cals. Been 15 hours so far nit that I'm counting

lottie63 Thu 10-Jan-13 08:47:42

Marking place

lottie63 Thu 10-Jan-13 08:53:04

Oh I wonder now if I m doing this fasting thing all wrong??!! Having read Maniac's post, should I not be eating ANYTHING for a set period of hours? And then break this with a 500 cal day? I ate about 6.30pm last night and I was kinda defining 'fasting' today as 'eating 500 cals'. Is this creative licence on my part? Lol. In fact, I ve just had tea with milk and 2 dry small Carrs water biscuits as I ve an hrs exercise class at 9:30am and thought I d better have something. Can anyone tell me if I have rhis completely wrong?

OddBoots Thu 10-Jan-13 08:57:35

I think the only rules on the 5:2 rather than any other fasting diet are that you should have around 500kcal for women and 600kcal for men 1, 2 or 3 days a week (depending on what you want to achieve) eating normally but not frequently excessively on the days between.

Other than that you find the way that works for you and that will work for you in the long term not just for a few weeks.

I may have got that wrong though.

OddBoots Thu 10-Jan-13 08:58:56

I do find it harder to do if I eat little bits through the day though, it is sooooo much easier to have nothing until evening both in terms of willpower and quality of sleep. You may be different.

frenchfancy Thu 10-Jan-13 09:03:16

lottie it sound like you have got it just right. The whole not eating anything for 24 hours (or going 16hrs) is kind of advanced 5:2 (even the great DrM doesn't do it). Give your body time to get used to it before you try. And don't eat just because you feel you ought to. Many on here exercise without eating. Eat when, and only when, you really need to.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 09:20:38

Thanks greeneggs on the ball as ever. New thread new year & name change for me!

laska I felt the same as you but my dsis has designated me as a 5:2 "consultant" so that's given me a new incentive grin

Salbertina Thu 10-Jan-13 09:21:34

Ff, not sure am advanced, just curious smile
Been reading round intermittent fasting -(which i practised a lot last year) Brad Pillon and some of the other 24 hr fasters. Longest I've done before is about 22.

Lottie, definitely not wrong to do as you are! As others have said, many ways to do 5:2 which is why it's so sustainable imho

Laska42 Thu 10-Jan-13 09:32:13

Marking place . .. (but at work so cant read through yet ) , thanks once more Greeneggs

But just quickly .. determined to be more positive today .. .. fasting today but have woken up with ‘Chinese food’ hangover/ headache .. could be MSG..

I have virtually stopped eating processed food . but also had a pkt of cr@p crisps. (a new 'air popped' low cal sort Yeuch… foul ..just dont go there )

After 8s .. I have new recruits also! And now in backing old office lots of people on diets and asking me how Ive done it . so perhaps I could also become a consultant !

maniacbug Thu 10-Jan-13 09:35:40

Blimey, sorry lottie I didn't realise 16hrs was 'advanced' - I am new to this so not really sure what I'm doing confused and just experimenting a bit. Maybe I had better work up to it gradually. Not sure I can hold out till 2pm anyway - just made DS2 a piece of toast and jam and it is torture watching him eat!!

virginposter Thu 10-Jan-13 10:16:56

Hey everybody Dr MM's website thefastdiet.co.uk is up and running - yippee!!

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 10:22:16

oh yes, I hadn't caught up on the posts towards the end of the last thread, but if you measure out your wine, you can have a small glass for around 100 calories. I've been known to do it on a fast day, if I haven't eaten a lot (obviously) and just want something to sip in the evening. I'm not a big drinker, though I made an exception over the holidays for the homemade Baileys. wink

Very nice new name aftereights! I really should change mine, if I come up with something clever I shall.

16 hour fasts aren't difficult at all once you can skip breakfast. 24 hours with no food, now that's professional. In my opinion, anyway! smile You aren't required to do either of those things; if you can keep under 500 calories for the day, then you can eat them whenever you like. But most of us have found that it's much easier to leave a large non-eating window, then eat a larger amount later in the day. And not only does it happen to be easier, a number of the Drs involved in the studies on Horizon have said that it's better, in terms of the health benefits etc.

So it's good, but if you can't do it that way, don't stress over it. You'll find some things get easier with time with this WOE.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 10:23:52

ooh VP good for him, I'll check it out if I can get a quiet moment here!

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 10:37:20

rosemarysage I didn't think there was anything wrong with your weight loss, probably because I've lost about the same amount that you have. grin Maybe a tiny bit more, but then I have more to lose. I lost a lot at first, then plateaued, then holiday season kicked in (made all the longer because I have Thanksgiving at the end of Nov as well). But. I'm not disappointed at all, because during that holiday season, of Thanksgiving, several nights out over December, then sluggishness and eating over Christmas, I put on (maybe) one pound. I'm still down, and I am keeping with this WOE to see if I can get more off.

I am so pleased because my holiday season was essentially not disrupted. There was none of the ridiculous guilt over food, and not a lot of worry about undoing hard work. Over the Christmas/NY period, I fasted twice, and it was enough to offset the rest of it. I actually enjoyed the fasts more than usual then, because we'd just become so complacent towards food (oh look, more biscuits/chocolate/mince pies/ whatever) that I think my body was grateful for the rest.

I'm babbling. I'm glad we have more new people joining us. smile

Iwearblack Thu 10-Jan-13 10:52:32

Oo good i'll checkout the website later - wonder how much stuff is a copy of all the good advice on here!
At home with poorly child today but am trying to fast and already finding it harder than usual! How often have any of you lot had to abandon a fast day? So far I haven't done so, and feel it may be the start of a slippery slope if I do! Maybe I'll treat myself to a cuppa soup at lunch......

thanks again greeneggs for new thread thanks

laska I totally get your mini rant yesterday, the thing is your focus for a really long time has been weight loss, first with WW (or was it SW) and then this, you've done amazingly well, but as you say, you are now in the middle of healthy BMI, and so now what? the moral boost from losing so brilliantly kind of ebbs away as it becomes normal, you won't be losing at the same rate, as you have reached target, and yes you could set a new lower target, but I think really, as you have worked out yourself, you need a new focus, something to tackle to give you the feel good factor, the exercise demon might be it? imagine how toned you could get? think about the future and being a super fit 70 year old breadandwine I'm sure can vouch for how good that must feel?

I'm another one that hated exercise (apart from sailing) all my life, but when I lost 3 stone a few years ago doing Paul mckenna i was going through stressful time about to sepaarate from husband and decided to do teh couch25k, I didn't stick to it religiously, I found it a bit slow for me, although I still find running 5k without stopping pretty impossible, but as a lifelong asthmatic, that's ok, and I've stopped running again just because I can;t get out of the house with 2 kids! but I did find rather surprisingly that I really enjoyed it, I enjoyed teh space to think, and teh fresh air, that it was free and that it was a challenge, i could push myself to go a bit further or just to do teh same as the time before when i was struggling.

running may not be for you, but maybe teh challenge is to find what is for you? or forget exercise and challenge yourself in another way, maybe a new skill, not losing weight, but mastering something else would give you the same lift?

good luck anyway, you've been so inspiring, and always available to answer others.

lottie63 Thu 10-Jan-13 11:12:57

Maths was never my strong point... I've looked at the TDEE expenditure link and punched in weight, height, exercise level and age. The figures it gives me are: BMR=1289 and TDEE=1997. Does this mean that on a non-fast day, I should only be having around 2000 calories? Or should I be eating less than this? Sorry to be so thick at this...

Ezzza Thu 10-Jan-13 11:15:18

Iwearblack I've abandoned about 4 fasts since starting this WOE in September. Each time it was because I'd got to 5pm and was craving more than the 150 kcal I had left for the day. I usually just try to push through and ignore the desire for Honghuo tudou pian (a spicy potato and rice dish - my favourite thing on the menu of the restaurant which is on the ground floor of the building I live in). But very occasionally the desire was too difficult to ignore and I gave in.

The way I look at it is that as long as it doesn't happen too often I'm not going to beat myself up about it. The whole reason I love this WOE is that I don't have to feel deprived so I just start again the next fast day.

Try to make it through the fast by focusing on what you can have tomorrow, but if on a rare occasion you have to abandon the fast then don't let it get you down. Keeping positive you'll be much more likely to stick to this WOE long term than making yourself feel guilty over one little slip up.

aftereightsNOLONGERallmine love the name change grin

Fasting day here as back to 4:3 to address Christmas excess. Woke up hungry but one Raspberry and Chilli tea later and the hunger's gone (the smell of toast left by kids as they left for work didn't help sad though)

Someone was talking about PUKKA teas on Thread 8, they're on offer in Sainsburys at the mo...but selling fast.

Thanks for the brand new thread GEAN who'd have thought when you started this in August you'd have over 8000 posts and counting....

Have a great day all, if you're Fasting like me, remember the pangs pass and....there's always tomorrow for that toast or whatever nibbles your taste buds.

Ezzza Thu 10-Jan-13 11:20:09

Hi lottie. Yes on non-fast days stick to the TDEE figure. Your fast days are creating the calorie deficit that gets you losing weight while eating within your TDEE on non-fast days is meant to stop your metabolism from slowing down.

Iwearblack Thu 10-Jan-13 11:26:55

Thanks all. My stomach has just had an enormous rumble which makes me feel more comfortable now - I always imagine this feeling like shaking a duvet out in my tummy (blush)

Like the sound of raspberry and chilli tea!

Snowkey Thu 10-Jan-13 11:27:17

Iwearblack I started in August and I have abandoned 3 fasts - first 2 were pre menstral and the hunger was unbearable and i was grumpy and didn't see the point! Third time was a nasty cold. I never regretted giving up, those days were just too tough and were fairly insignificant in a lifetime of eating. I still returned to it, without much of a hitch.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 11:29:25

lottie yep that's about it. smile You don't want to be eating low-cal on non-fast days, but you also don't want to be eating high-cal. (Obviously you can have the odd day of it, I certainly have, but you don't want to be in the habit of it if you want to lose weight)

Thanks Cyclistist, it's crazy, yet great, that this has taken off so well. smile All of our regular posters make this such a positive place for people to find support.

IWearBlack I don't think I've abandoned a fast. It's out of sheer stubbornness if I'm honest. I push off eating as long as possible (have a drink, have a hot drink, get busy doing something else). If I'm having a bad day, I tell myself I can have 'something' at x time, but then re-assess once it gets to that time. Once I've made it to the evening, that's when the stubborn kicks in. I've made it through the entire day, I sure as hell don't want to mess it up now and have to do it all over again tomorrow. grin Maybe I'll break out a recipe book and plan something nice for dinner tomorrow. (btw, "tomorrow" rarely actually features the foods I dream about on fast days. But I know I could, and that's the point!)

That's the mental struggle on a difficult fast day. I don't have those days too often now, but those first few were very difficult, and there is the one-off when it's cold and for some reason that makes me hungry. hmm

Marking my place, next fast day tomorrow!

lottie63 Thu 10-Jan-13 11:30:32

Thanks Ezzza. But gosh, only 2000 cals?!!! No wonder I've put on so much weight!

ubik Thu 10-Jan-13 11:36:00

Have been doing this since Sept and have lost 9lbs. Had a chridas blowout but only put on 2lbs which is astonishing. Am feeling rather blobby though.

On day 2 of this weeks 5:2 fast. Have just had Pret crayfish and avocado salad and black coffee. Will have a small omelette later.

Hoping to lose another stone by the summer.

Thanks for the recipe thread it is very helpful - will get DP to post his chickpea curry - it's spicey chickpeas with lots of veg and spinach leaves instead of rice, very filling and tasty.

Ezzza Thu 10-Jan-13 11:36:57

Yeah, I don't really like the idea of eating inside my TDEE either lottie. 2000 kcal per day is the standard recommendation for the 'average' woman, 2500 for men. I always feel a little jealous of that mythical 'average' woman though: I'm short and not very active so my TDEE is only 1770 kcal. I wish I could eat 200 kcal each day without putting on weight! envy

ubik Thu 10-Jan-13 11:38:09

And if you have a bad day just reason that you have reduced your calories on that day, which is good, and work at staying within 4/500 next fast day. It gets easier as you go on, so don't be discouraged.

Ezzza Thu 10-Jan-13 11:38:55

Ooops! I want to eat 2000 kcal a day not 200!

lottie63 Thu 10-Jan-13 11:49:11

Short here too! If I was taller, I'd be positively skinny am sure lol

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 11:52:13

I should add that my desire for food has changed a lot since August. So you might be feeling as if your TDEE isn't enough now, but you might not feel the same in a month or two. The fast days really change how you feel about having too much food in your stomach. You also start to re-assess food you thought you wanted, because you're now aware of how many calories are in it.

cardiffmummy Thu 10-Jan-13 11:58:46

Hi all this thread is so busy at the moment! I received Michael Moseleys book from Amazon this morning - have only had a quick flick through so far but noticed there are several quotes from this thread!

I did my second fast yesterday and went well. A few episodes of hunger pangs but a drink and distracting myself seemed to get rid of them. So I wasn't planning on another fast day until next Monday and have four feed days ahead of me. Strangely though I feel guilty eating!! Don't want to undo my hard work fasting and having to remind myself that I need to eat to get the most benefit. Am resisting weighing myself as have such alot of weight to lose and think better to stick to weekly weigh ins. Having said that my jeans are definitely more comfortable today - they were a little snug around the waist (and I had secretly been undoing the top button under my belt...blush) but I did them up quite easily this morning.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 11:59:49

I've found that the things like chocolates & crisps no longer tempt as they used to. I still eat chocolate but now like really good quality dark chocolate & so eat less of it as I'm not getting the sugar spikes that I used to get with cadburys for example or after eights grin

Has anyone found that as this WOE is becoming more mainstream that the negative comments have stopped? I've had so many people ask me about this now who before were telling me that what I was doing was bad for my health, bit hippyish & too radical.

2nd fast day of the week, found an old telegraph article linked from Dr M's new website....it's nowhere near as good as here! where the science experts talked about doing the full 3/4 days fasting in a supervised manner as some people may faint and that blood pressure can drop significantly, which explains to me why when I did the not eating all day on tues I then nearly fainted at 6.30pm . So i am abandoning attempts to save all calories for one meal, quite happy to continue to do 16 hours plus, and eat soup lunch at 1pm ish, but for me, the risk of fainting, which i hate so much, is just not worth it, I'm not convinced that just drinking more will prevent me from fainting.

now focussed on getting to the first target of 10 stone 8, that will be a full stone loss, I know it's taken a while, lots of plateau's but I am fine with that, but feel like I can do this in Jan, I was 10 10 before xmas, thne up to 10 13, pushing myself to 10 8 by jan 31st seems do-able? my new wii should be set up this weekend, so will look at the wii fit and report back!

Ezzza Thu 10-Jan-13 12:33:29

Time for bed.

All the best to everyone on a fast day today!

Iwearblack Thu 10-Jan-13 12:48:01

Yes aftereights I find it doesn't sound so bonkers now when I try and describe it to people ....

Made it to lunchtime with no food so feeling better - even if I eat now, will be able to stay around 500 for the day phew....
Off to check out dr M's website now!

Laska42 Thu 10-Jan-13 13:10:50

Yo ..and I am on DR Mosleys website !!! , look under users experiences..

'The fast Diet as a way of life - Jackie J ' (decided to use my real name onthe site though not all of it ! )

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 13:47:25

Way to go laska. Lol at chilli sauce, I've now bought marks & Spencer's frozen diced chilli which I add to almost everything. Can't recommend highly enough am sure other places sell it too but saw it there first.

mollysfolly Thu 10-Jan-13 13:49:06

Laska I'd have known 'Jackie J' was you - the chilli sauce!! Good post and very encouraging for new users.

Thanks for the almost new thread GE&N

Iwearblack Thu 10-Jan-13 14:18:47

The 'I used 15 tomatoes' was the giveaway for me laska!
I am currently making your lovely sounding soup but as I am stuck at home and do not have any carrots or red peppers in it is going to be slightly (ie completely) different (i have used parsnips!). Will let you know how it tastes!

chipstick10 Thu 10-Jan-13 14:19:48

Hi everyone
It was my first fast day ever yesterday. I ate nothing till 2 in the afternoon when I ate a large plate of French green beans and a small piece of fresh tuna dry fried. At 7 I ate two small scrambled eggs and a very small piece of whole meal toast. Drank loads of water. I found the point up until my first meal very very hard. I struggled with a horrid headache and that's what got me more than the hunger.
I am so proud of myself today. Slept well. Wasn't hungry when I awoke. Savoured my cup of tea this morning. Walked the dog and my lingering headache was gone by the time I got home. I am surmised at how sensible I have been. It's amazing how I am listening to my body. After my home made fruit smoothie I ate nothing until 1.30 when I had a small whole meal tuna sarnie. I ate it slowly and enjoyed every bite. Normally I would've made another straight away but I didn't. I have saved the rest of the tuna for when I am truly hungry again. I hope this continues.
Great posts and great support on this thread, luvin it.

kiwigirl42 Thu 10-Jan-13 14:44:14

well done chipstick10. I'm on a fast day and the worms are just starting to bite! Will get DS from school and have some tea with him as late as I can do it. I don't actually crave to eat anything which is unusual. Just feel a bit empty.

niki3108 Thu 10-Jan-13 15:30:35

oh dear. I have been . a right pig today! lost 5.5lb in first week. though glad I'm not weighing every day now as some deck will have gone back on! oops

niki3108 Thu 10-Jan-13 15:55:49

I've just found a whole section of recipes on www.bbcgoodfood.com on recipes under 200kcal. some really nice looking things there!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 15:57:16

Right you lot give me a good talking to. Ive eaten absolute rubbish today & I am not hungry. Had healthy breakfast & lunch followed by fruit. So far so good but since 3 I've eaten chocolates nuts & lots of it! Worse I've eaten 2 crunchies & it's not 4pm! I've got the to hell with it attitude today. this is a bad sign as I could eat my weight in calories from now till bedtime! It's like the old fatter me.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 15:58:05

I knew a name change was a bad idea.

Salbertina Thu 10-Jan-13 16:00:42

Don't beat yrself up, been there too..we all slip now and then. Just move on and try again another day

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 16:03:33

Make yourself some tea, aftereights, or whichever hot drink floats your boat. I'm on my second cup of chai tea today (well, it's a fast day for me so options are limited!) and I might just have a third. There's something about the cold that just makes me want to eat something.

Realistically, you could be 'to hell with it' today and just shape up tomorrow, but if you're worried that it's a slippery slope, then yes you'll want to nip it in the bud now! Get yourself a hot drink, have some water as well in case you're dehydrated. Don't make me send TIP after you. grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 16:09:21

Thank you! I knew you'd help. Starting to feel slightly nauseous now not used to all this junk. Hope that will also do the trick!

niki3108 Thu 10-Jan-13 16:15:51

aftereights thank God it's not just me!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 16:17:55

niki grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 16:20:11

I have started to like Chai tea a lot. It feels as if it's sweet, with the spices in it, but obviously there's no sugar involved. I can't stand fruit teas so this feels like a nice compromise for when I want something sweet.

I hope it helps aftereights!

ariel3112 Thu 10-Jan-13 16:26:46

Thanks for the recommendation for the Pukka teas... Asked Mr Google where I could get them and turns out they're stocked in a little independent health shop that I walk past every day but had never (till today) been in. So am trying the licorice and cinnamon, and it's really yum. Though I'd say there's more of a taste of cardamom than anything else.

Today's fast is going a lot better than Tuesdays, I have been busy all day and think that really helps. Met some friends for coffee but just had diet coke, and have had just one coffee with milk (I don't add much) this morning. I was in two minds about fasting today or doing tomorrow, today being busy while tomorrow is less so, but it's been a revelation that having loads to do is much better and easier than sitting waiting for it to be 6pm!

Planning on having dark rye ryvitas with avocado, salsa and maybe a little cheese, and grilled courgettes, broccoli and salad for dinner. Spur of the moment when I saw the avocados in asda that were actually ready to eat rather than just labeled ready to eat.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 16:58:50

Have made myself pear & apple green tea. Don't have chai but will invest in some if you think it's worth it.

mandyr Thu 10-Jan-13 17:01:33

I couldn't do my jeans up when I started the 5:2 in August. I've just discovered that, not only are they nice and loose now, I can actually take them on and off without undoing them.

Haven't eaten yet today, and looking forward to my Fully Loaded Chunky Lentil and Bean Soup, by the New York Soup Company.

I love the way everything tastes so much better when you've been fasting.

virginposter Thu 10-Jan-13 17:04:07

aftereights must be something in the air today. Non fast day today and just eaten loads of cashews and 2 small tubs of Ben & Jerrys choc brownie ice cream (were supposed to be a treat for DH and I but both are now in my fattummy) - Doh! blush

chipstick10 Thu 10-Jan-13 17:28:05

I agree that everything tastes soooo much better when fasting. Today a non fasting day and everything tastes great. I actually really appreciate eating. I do it because I really want to and not because I ought to or because I'm bored.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Thu 10-Jan-13 17:32:53

For purely selfish reasons I'm glad it's not just me.

maniacbug Thu 10-Jan-13 17:53:24

Pukka 'Revitalise' tea is lovely.

And I can honestly say that pickled beetroot has never tasted as good as it did at 1.45pm today - in combination with chopped cucumber, cherry tomatoes, poached egg, skinny slice of ham and LOTS of chilli sauce. I treasured every mouthful!

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 17:59:44

aftereights I recommend Chai tea if you like spices in tea. Have a read through the ingredients, I think Twinings or one of the other major brands do the one I have at the moment. The box is black. I like it. smile

mollysfolly Thu 10-Jan-13 18:05:52

Is 'Eleanor D' TalkinPeace2?!

My over-60 health check went well - BP, heart, cholesterol, & BMI all fine grin

veryworried29 Thu 10-Jan-13 18:15:36

Marking place.

Iwearblack Thu 10-Jan-13 18:22:25

Good news mollysfolly! Always a relief when tests come back fine....

Parsnip and lentil soup yumsville today...

virginposter Thu 10-Jan-13 18:32:21

chai tea are you guys recommending the original chai, vanilla chai or green chai?

TreadOnTheCracks Thu 10-Jan-13 18:41:56

2nd day of fasting here.

Hunger pangs so much better, but feeling so tired, could go to bed now. Anyone else felt like this?

I do normally have an energy slump about this time I suppose, but considering I slept well last night this is quite bad.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 10-Jan-13 18:41:57

Just the original chai. Also, I should specify, I mean the actual teabags. I know sometimes there are sachets sold which have dry milk and sugar etc. These are just another kind of teabag.

Vanilla chai sounds nice, I might try it when I'm out of these.

Laska42 Thu 10-Jan-13 18:50:27

MumofCNkids thank you for your lovely response to my yesterdays’ rant. I know you are going through your own tough time right now (and much more than my little tantrum). i Hope things are not too stressful and you are keeping strong.

Yes I do need to conquer the exercise devil .. its better when the evenings are lighter and I can do my preferred exercise of getting out on my bike or a fast walk/run . . I will try the latter again though, you do have to watch out for potholes in the unlit roads round here ( no pavements except in the village).

I almost bought a 2nd hand Wii and Wii fit from someone at work today ,was nearly persuaded ..but when I went into the game shop to look at what was available to use on it .. it all looked so complicated with all the bits and add-ons (and games v expensive! )and seemed to me like yet more of the same sort of things I wouldn’t use (not to mention like most of the stuff i have purchased over the years) that I decided , that I should save my money and just dust off my mini tramp and step (which are the only two things i’ve ever used at home ) and unwrap some of those dvds instead .. (or go for the blogolates literarygeek recommended after all ..).. You know in my time ive been a serial non-user of the fitness things ive purchased ... The stationary bike and a water rower both made fine clothes horses.grin. though sometimes I wish id kept the rower .. actually the only other piece of equipment I did use when i was last slim was a Concept11 rower (this was when I was working at a university and could use the student gym for free..)

Laska42 Thu 10-Jan-13 18:55:05

I see that DR M has had someone question if they could come up with a better BB than the FB community .. Ours has worked well I think .. but yes... over 8000 posts since we started .. quite mind boggling..

frenchfancy Thu 10-Jan-13 18:58:52

treadonthecracks The tiredness is normal, but does recede after a week or two to be replaced by lots of energy (sounds wierd but it is true I promise)

Salbertina Thu 10-Jan-13 18:59:55

Agree, great on here. Just eaten grin feel strangely v full AND hungry at the same time...

Elegantlywasted Thu 10-Jan-13 19:11:28

Hi, joining the thread, my 2nd fast day. Am doing 5:2 and have managed to get to the 16 hour point before taking on food. Am hoping this woe will help me shift 2st by the summer. Have been a bit hungry but like the fact that I can eat relatively normally on 5 days.

TreadOnTheCracks Thu 10-Jan-13 19:18:13

Thank you french fancy - i am holding you to that grin

ariel3112 Thu 10-Jan-13 19:24:33

Any opinions of Dr MM's new site? I couldn't get on with the FB group either. It only took a day or so for me to leave because I felt rubbed the wrong way by some posters. Things are a lot more relaxed here, hence why I decided to actually join in and not sit lurking on the sidelines.

Mollysfolly, congratulations on the test results.

So today's fast has been fine. Didn't feel hungry till 2.45pm, and after that it's just about putting myself off for a little while more. Had 4 ryvitas, avocado, salsa, cucumber and 3/4 of a pot of Knorr spiring veg soup with extra broccoli and spinach cooked through, for about 440 calories. Pretty yum and I had a huge bowl of the soup/veg.

Sunday is my next fast. Working on sat, and feel like I don't want to try a work fast just yet. Don't want to have less concentration because I'm thinking of food. Of course it could go the other way... How do others find work and fasting? Guess what you do is a factor. (I am office and desk based)

ilovedaddypig Thu 10-Jan-13 19:28:04

Evening all. I'm new to this diet and thread, but just felt the need to share the fact that it's my second fast day this week and I'm sitting here pleased with myself! I've found today easier than my first day, when I probably ended up having 600 cals. I'm eating three small meals a day - does this sound alright? Today I had some chopped apple and low fat natural yoghurt for breakfast, a small ham salad for lunch and a bowl of homemade veggie soup for tea. Also squeezed in 40-min workout at lunchtime. To be honest I've never calorie counted before so I'm finding it hard to get my head round what's within the limit. But early days! I only want to lose about 10lb.
All tips gladly received!

niki3108 Thu 10-Jan-13 19:33:34

aftereights just read today is the most common day to break new year resolutions! that's it! it's national weak Will day!

TreadOnTheCracks Thu 10-Jan-13 19:37:43

Sounds like you are doing great Ilovedaddypig.

veryworried29 Thu 10-Jan-13 19:40:04

Fast day number 35 here. Had pret a manager mushroom soup at about 2.00pm and a Marks & Spencer (tiny) ocean pie (250 cals) is cooking in the oven right now, which I will have with a ton of steamed cauliflower and some peas. Oh I also had a handful of salted popcorn and a couple of cups of tea with milk. That probably comes in slightly higher than 500 calories but I shan't worry.

I don't usually find fasting days hard but I did give up on one when I had terrible period pains and needed to take heavy duty painkillers. But ... it doesn't matter if you miss a fast day, as long as you get back in the saddle sooner rather than later.

Laska42 Thu 10-Jan-13 19:47:02

ariel i've been fine at work up to this week , but then starting this WOE and my weight loss journey coincided with me being seconded out to another job where I had a little room all to myself since August when I started. Now I'm back with the others i've found that its harder working on fast days they eat in the office all the time not just at lunch (and quite a few are overweight as you can imagine ! .. Its not the food itself but the smell of food that's making it harder .. and in both fasts this week i've resorted to a small cup of soup during the day where I was managing with nothing between breakfast and dinner..
I'm hoping as i get back into the routine to be ok again .. .

I like the layout of Dr M and Mimi S's site, there's not much on it yet but its bound to grow as more science becomes available and more people contribute.. I hope that they will add more articles to it. What would be good is if we could download or get a DVD of the programme.. I watched some of it again earlier and as i've been feeling a bit 'bluesy' this week it was good to remind myself of how I felt when I first thought this could be for and also how far I've come..

On another note re: feeling 'blue'... its just occurred to me.. being back at work i've not really been seeing much daylight. and when I was off the terrible weather also meant we didn't see much sun or good daylight really . I've never had SAD before , but I wonder if i have this year ? .. Has anyone else noticed anything like this ? ( if so hope its not a side affect of fasting!!hmm)

literarygeek Thu 10-Jan-13 19:54:46

ariel glad you liked the pukka tea! They're mostly yum, although there's a rose one that is a bit too flowery for my liking.

I like most chai teabags I have come across but my favourite I think is a honey bush chai by dragonfly. Used to be able to get it from ocado but couldn't find it last time. Green chai is a bit icky IMHO.

laska yes, that's the beauty of the blogilates website. No DVDs gathering dust and if you hate it you can just stop. oddboots I'd be interested to hear how you get on with it, not knowing anyone in RL who can be bothered to exercise, I'd like to know if I other people find her helpful!

Fast day here and thought it would be evil as am losing my voice and kiddies were driving me slightly crazy but have just had a big bowl of roasted cauliflower (a vegetable which, incidentally, before I heard of laska's recipe, I never bothered with) and am not really hungry. Have to do some baking now (silly, I know, but it's for an event I committed to), and then maybe after that will have some edamame and a cup of chai with a dash of soya milk. And then bed. Ahhhhh.

stickygingerbread Thu 10-Jan-13 21:08:33

May I join you? Today is 3rd fasting day on alternate-day fasting plan. so far it is going well.

My dh has practiced adf since late spring/early summer which has been good pathbreaking. He first dropped subtantial weight low-carbing, then added adf for the health improving properties.

I was recently diagnosed insulin resistant/pcos and so am motivated. I am low carbing on the food days with a focus to limit high carbs (flour, rice, potatoes) - but for special exceptions such as cake. grin

Blimey was only going to mark my place and already 4 pages in!

First good and easy fast day today in a long long time. Hungry so going to bed

Literarygeek blogilates sounds good, I'm trying to stream my usual power yoga classes online. God I'm so LA!

Might check out MM site before bed

lare73 Thu 10-Jan-13 22:28:34

hi, im new, and planning on starting 5 2 asap, just ordered a book from amazon and researching online. i have 6 stone to loose (eeeek) and this sounds like a plan i could stick to. what kind of weight losses have people had? i assume i would loose quite quickly with having lots to loose? thank you in advance lovely people thanks x

Skinnyeye Thu 10-Jan-13 22:30:44

Hi Losers been a bit poorly for the last few days but getting slowly back to normal. Welcome to all our new members

I'm finding fasting a lot harder after my Christmas break. The days are ok but the evenings are long and hungry. I tried fasting a couple of times over the holiday but ended up giving in to cheese and wine at night. I'm interested to hear that some of you feel your eating habits and taste in food has changed since starting this WOE. I so wish my tastes have changed and my weigh gain over Christmas has shown me that my attitude towards food hasn't really changed at all. I will still overeat and make bad choices if given the opportunity.

Going to bed before I eat something

Could have written your post word for word skinnyeye....when I first started it did massively change my attitudes to food but after a 2month stalling process die to lots of visitors, I lost that change and am bak to going to bed on eating data horribly bloated from overheating. Maybe I just need to get in the thread more again

Laska42 Thu 10-Jan-13 22:55:59

lare73 welcome, just popping in before I go to bed ( I dont stay up late on fast days ).. I've lost 21lbs since August and am now well back into normal BMI,.

You may lose more or faster if you have more to lose and i'm pretty sure we have quite a few people here who also have a lot to lose, so they could probably advise you about that aspect. But the beauty of this WOE (way Of eating) , is that its so simple and because its NOT a Diet and you cannot fail !! . If you dont manage a fast one day there's always another.

Do give it a go, I'm sure you wont regret it..

Have a look at DR Mosley's new website if you haven't read the book or seen the film .. well do anyway it has the basics on it .. and give it a go and post here.. We are a very friendly group here and Someone will always help..
I'm off now to bed now but I'm sure someone else will be along soon.
Good luck smile

Bedtime question, is anyone aiming for dress size rather than weight! Just wondering if that's a bit more realistic for me. I weighed in yesterday and despite feeling like I'm a good half a stone heavier after Christ,as apparently I'm 2lb lighter.

Not sure what to do because I'm feeling so fat at the moment (round the middle anyway), think I might have to just work on getting toned rather than rely on pure weightloss...

virginposter Fri 11-Jan-13 00:02:39

I think it isharder to get back into this woe after the Xmas period (even though I did manage a couple of fasts during that time). I had never ever given up on a fast day since starting in August but my first fast in the New Year (1st Jan) was a disaster from the beginning. I woke up and had a peppermint tea as usual and no breakfast. An hour later I was starving like never before so DH said why not give today a miss and do tomorrow instead. And that's what I did and you know the next day my fasting was fine.
Once again this woe proves how versatile it is and how easy to do once you get back into the swing of it. We've done it before and we can do it again smile

literarygeek Fri 11-Jan-13 00:05:22

I am, america's - I want to get back into my skinny clothes! Before the bubbas I was super sporty, running loads, and while I still exercise where I can, it's much harder to maintain my weight now. Have definitely gotten slimmer much faster than I did with dd1 (dd2 is 5 months now), but I M focussing mostly on getting back to toned. I have decided not to weigh myself again till the end of the month after feeling disheartened by the scales a few days ago.

Ezzza Fri 11-Jan-13 02:14:14

Wow! 100 posts yesterday, 50 since I went to bed last night (8 hour time difference here to the UK). I think it’s great so many new people are trying 5:2. I’m really glad I decided to try it when I heard about it in August.

Ezzza Fri 11-Jan-13 02:15:13

mandyr it must feel great to be able to take those once tight jeans off without undoing them! I brought two pairs of jeans over with me to China in September. I could do them both up but sitting down wasn’t very comfortable. They’re now so loose I had to invest in a good leather belt to stop them falling down until I can get back to the UK and get some smaller ones. grin Size 12 is ‘fat’ in China (I’m not jealous, east Asian women have a higher percentage body fat at the same BMI as non-east Asian women so they have to be skinnier) and most stores that stock jeans that ‘big’ don’t have UK sizing and are more expensive than the places I buy jeans at home.

Ezzza Fri 11-Jan-13 02:16:42

Hi lare47, welcome to 5:2. I’ve been doing 2:1 or 4:3 since September and have lost 20lbs. I think you would probably lose weight faster than me as I had less weight to lose (3st3) to take me from a BMI of 30.5 to a BMI of 22.7. I’m now at a BMI of 26.9. The weight came off faster to begin with but has slowed to around half a pound per week. That’s mostly because I’m short and not very active (actually didn’t leave my dorm room at all yesterday as I was on the laptop studying for exams all day) so my TDEE is very low and I haven’t been very careful to stay inside my TDEE on non-fast days. (If you don’t know what I’m on about see GE&N’s post at the beginning of this thread for a link to help you work out your TDEE.)

Ezzza Fri 11-Jan-13 02:18:38

AmericasTorturedBrow, although I am aiming for a number on the scales, my reason is because that’s the number that was on the scales when I was 21 and looked good in my thin girl clothes and photos. Over the years the weight has gradually gone on and the favourite pieces of clothing have gone in boxes under the bed as the wardrobe got filled with bigger sizes, which I then got too big for and which ended up under the bed themselves. I now have 5 boxes of gorgeous clothes under my bed which I’ve been promising myself to get back into ‘one day’. That’s my real motivation.

I have also noticed that whenever I have had a serious go at losing weight, the precipitating factor has usually been that I’m too big for the vast majority of my clothes, I’m living in one or two pairs of trousers and now they’re getting tight too. So I have a plan: when I get my BMI down to around 24.5 I’m going to try on everything I own and get rid of anything that’s too big. That way, even if I slip badly and don’t manage to stay around my goal weight (which hopefully I will with 5:2 or 6:1), at least I’ll have motivation to stay inside a healthy weight range.

twofalls Fri 11-Jan-13 02:35:58

So, 2.30 and still awake. This is my second ever fast day and pretty much the first time since being pg I just can't sleep. Are they linked? Don't feel particularly hungry. Haven't had loads if caffeine. Dd2 will be up in a few hours. So annoying.

lottie63 Fri 11-Jan-13 04:11:41

Twofalls, I m the samehmm! 2nd fast day. Did drop off but keep waking. Not hungry or thirsty. No wine. Exercised on fast day so you think I d be tired. Grrrr...

Dearie me, it's a fast day today & I've got up to feed DS2 & I'm so hungry. How am I going to get through the day? hmm

Snowkey Fri 11-Jan-13 06:40:31

Dh and I suffer from lack of sleep on fast days. They are related but like everything some people are affected more than others.

Salbertina Fri 11-Jan-13 07:02:24

Gosh those here who are pg or up in the early hrs feeding, please don't overdo it or punish yourselves! Maybe now is not the time in your lives to be fasting?

Bobshouse Fri 11-Jan-13 07:22:49

First post here having been directed from Laska. I am what feels like a lifetime Weight watcher but have lately struggled with pro points. It feels funny to be on here as I am a grandmother twice over!
I now live in France making the WW regime even harder. I put on 1lb over Christmas and started 5/2 on 3rd January with a fast day. Today is my weigh day and the pound has gone. Hubby is doing this with me and we are both finding it easy. I plan all the food and work out the calories using MFP. I am trying to be self sufficient and rarely use processed food and the 5/2 fits in with this. No such thing as skimmed milk, half fat cheese etc here!
This next week I plan to stick with 1200 cals on my feast day as I want to shift the last few pounds to get me back to my healthy weight, about 7lbs. My problem has always been maintaining my weight once goal is reached. When I first started WW about 15 years ago I was 15st 4lbs and a size 18. I got down to 10st 5lbs and size 10. Currently I am 10st 11lbs, still size 10 but they are a little snug!
Well enough rabbiting, must go and let the chickens and ducks out! I look forward to getting to know you.

Salbertina Fri 11-Jan-13 07:28:42

Sounds idyllic where you are Bob! Rural bliss tho sure hard work also...
With you on the full-fat version- i have that or don't bother.

lottie63 Fri 11-Jan-13 07:56:55

Wow! Only been doing this since Monday. 2nd Fast Day yesterday. Weighed myself this morning and I'm down from 9st 8 to 9st 3lbs. Okay..It was before I've had anything to eat.. and it's probably just water loss but still smile. Definitely feel less bloated.

I'm having a trial at it, if I find if too much with DSs then I'll stop, but I really do want to shift this post baby weight.

I really picked a bad week though, neither DS is sleeping well, plus I've got my period, still it can only get easier, right? grin

niki3108 Fri 11-Jan-13 08:12:53

I'm struggling following the acronyms!
sorry for being thick!

Salbertina Fri 11-Jan-13 08:15:37

Dear son
Target Daily energy expenditure? Ie number of daily calories you need
Way of eating

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 08:36:55

Mornin' Bobshouse welcome to this communitygrin .Lots of us grandmothers and als0 (whisper) blokes here! . I hope you'll like it as much as the other.. . I've shifted my old WW goal twice now and am now aiming for what i think will be my ultimate goal of 9.10 ( which will mean 4st off all together having lost 21lbs on this WOE and the rest on WW but just got stuck on PPs over the last 18months not shifting at all ). I'm expecting this last stretch to be much slower than the rest though as I'm well within my BMI now and have finally realised that to do it I HAVE to tackle the exercise devil!

Do check out your TDEE as above .. you might be surprised at hoew many few calories you can eat to MAINTAIN your weight (and this is very useful for eating days information .. Though i know you are very active with your lovely self sufficiency lifestyle) .

Lots of new people finding us every day now,Welcome We are a friendly group here with lots of us being here a while now and have been having great losses and as important hopefully are seeing the other health benefits...Those of us (like cyclistist ) who have had bloods etc done have seen some great changes...

We have a Hints and tips thread link above where we try and answer the regular questions and have links to the science and other relevant stuff as we find it . Also now Dr Mosley has his fastdiet site up .. .. sadly that can up the day the lovely Greeneggs started this new thread , so the link is not up there..(will check its now on the H&T) I will try and keep posting for newbies it until the next thread ..( which at this rate may be sooner than we think!)grin

Iwearblack Fri 11-Jan-13 08:38:08

Thanks to all who motivated me to stay on the fast day yesterday - I was struggling around 10 am and the day in front felt very long. Dug deep though and managed a very good fast day by only having a meal at 6 pm of Laska's delicious soup. So under 500 for the day.
Now have a feed day to look forward to, though as feel full of cold - not sure if I fancy anything!
Interesting that so many people have difficulty sleeping after fasting, especially in the early weeks - I wonder why that is.... I tend to sleep like a log! Do any long-timers have the sleep problem or is it just an adaptation issue in the first few weeks/months?

maniacbug Fri 11-Jan-13 08:50:34

Americas I think I've got about a stone to lose but am not sure as haven't actually weighed myself for years! My goal is definitely clothes-related. My specific motivation is my favourite pair of Diesel jeans, which used to hang off my hips (even when 5m pg with DS1) and make me feel good about myself and now won't go over my bum sad.

I do not feel like the person I want to be at the moment.

But I am so glad I found this thread - you are all brilliant, and I am full of admiration both for those who have been doing it for months and for fellow newbies who have decided to take the plunge.

Was my 2nd fast day yesterday - I stuck to 500ish calories, managed not to get snappy with the kids, and went to bed actually feeling full and happy.
One of the biggest revelations for me so far has been learning about my 'danger times': kids' tea time (I usually hoover up leftovers) and about 9-10pm. These are the habits I need to break.

Good luck to all fasting today!

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 08:57:51

Talking of cyclistist hi Bro.. how are you? Getting that christmas blob sorted? . I seem to have stuck at about 2lbs up , but still claiming my 21lbs as I did do it! and am very nearly back there.. This weeks fasts have been hard , due to being back to work I think and back in a shared environment for the first time since i started this WOE and where everyone eats al. the time! so the place always smells of food (grr!, Lardya$$es) ..

iwear black glad you liked the soup didnt you do it with parsnips? its Your soup then!! DO post it up on the recipe thread ( I would never make a soup with parsnips ..shudders !! )

re sleep , I used to have trouble sleeping on fast days regularly,but its usually ok now, but still do sometimes.. its not hunger i think.. I reckon my body is just so active burning up all that flob!

Link to the fast diet site now is on the Hints and Tips thread

Good morning all,

Totally agree about the changed sleep patterns. Over the 5 or 6 months I've been following this WOL (way of living) I've had a range of issues around sleep. I seem to wake up a lot more often and a lot earlier, my long time issues with snoring have ceased (much to the relief of those that live with me grin ), and I sometimes have problems getting back to sleep when I awake.

However the sleep disturbances seemed to relent somewhat when I got into the swing of things and have only just returned since my 'break' over Christmas.

Throughout though, although I seem to be getting less sleep and generally waking up earlier, I do feel a lot less tired both on a Fasting or a normal day. I used to get a dip in the afternoon sometimes and find it pretty difficult to keep my eyes open...all of this could of course be down to my nasel choir ceasing it's unglorious charms through the night, probably down to the reduced weight.

But I think this WOE/WOL definiately has an impact on sleep and the quality of that sleep.

Still battling to get those Christmas pounds off (12lb sad ) but have dropped about 7 of them so far and pretty hopeful that the remaining extra baggage will be gone by Feb. As with some of the others upthread I've found it hard to get back into the swing of things but this is for the long term and not a 'diet' so whether it takes me a few days or a few weeks to get to where I want there's not a problem. As hopefully there a many years in front of me and following this WOL can only lead one way where my health and weight are concerned. As long as I keep focused on making the Fasting days as easy as possible a part of my life, keep my protien intake fairly low and eat 'fairly' smile sensibly on normal days, I should benefit in health and weight terms

Have a great day all and a huge warm welcome to all the newbies and delurkers, give this WOE several weeks and you'll see some great results smile

Snowkey Fri 11-Jan-13 09:02:18

Dh and I have been doing the 5:2 since August, sleep has been an issue from the beginning and it's unfortunately not one of those things that gets better but some nights and worse than others. I now monitor my sleep with a Fitbit - on the worst night I woke up 16 times!

frenchfancy Fri 11-Jan-13 09:05:57

I am now 1.6kg (so about 3lb) below my pre-christmas weight. grin

Not sure I've been this low since before DC (DD1 is now 13 - gulp)

I'm sure it is the exercise that has increased the weight loss, before I was only losing 1lb per week.

Target is now 4.2kg away - suddenly seems acheivable.

Northstarmum Fri 11-Jan-13 09:09:58

Ariel I find that fasting when working is ok- I also have a desk job in an open plan office where there are lots of treats around but strangely don't find myself too tempted. I think keeping busy helps (and I do have a lot of meetings to attend) and I also drink quite a lot of fruit tea and coffee during said meetings which fills me up.

3rd fast day yesterday was going well until dh made us tea (fish and chips!) but they were relatively healthy variants on the theme and it was really quite late so I figure that overall there was still a good calorie deficit on the day and I'll pick up the next fast after the weekend.

Finding the thread really motivating thank you everyone. Good luck all fasting today thanks

Hi sis , yeah thanks for asking. The pounds gained are becomming pounds lost thankfully, as I felt pretty crap after Christmas and weighing myself on News Years day and feeling those extra mm cms around the waist wasn't a great feeling. But it's amazing what a difference that first succesful Fast can make to both how you feel and how much you weigh wink . Still about 5lb higher than my lowest but at least I'm getting those Fast days in again, doing 4:3 at the mo Sund/Tues/Thurs. As someone said in thread 8 a Fast can act as a kind of 'reset' button, or at least that's how it feels to me.

Good luck with the couple of pounds you're trying to shift and it will be harder back in the open plan office...but if anyone can do it...you can do it smile . I think you've got it bang on with trying to up the exercise levels. As you know cycling's great and will be an easy way to keep healthy as the Spring approaches. Good luck until then wink how about doing unicycle laps of the open plan office until then?????

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 11-Jan-13 09:38:29

A massive thank you to everyone who helped me stop making a pig of myself yesterday. greeneggs off to buy some chai. Will report back with my verdict!

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 09:47:03

Love it bro! actually ive often fancied giving a unicycle a go ..grin
i'm working at home today .. lovely and sunny out there and the temptation to get my bike out is very great .. .. Sadly boss is on phone or email every 2 min.. but if its not raining again tomorrow ill definitely be out !

Hope its nice where you are ,, ill think of you out in the Essex lanes
well done on the 7lbs smile

Poppy1234 Fri 11-Jan-13 09:52:15

Hi everyone, I have had a shameful week, have broken every fast. I am the perfect faster until dinner time rolls around and then can't seem to resist the children's dinner but I weighed myself this morning and lost 1lb despite this so beyond delighted. I think it's because while I didn't manage a single perfect fast day I probably had 4 days with relatively low calories as they all started as fast days and when I did give into dinner it was to much smaller portions than I would have eaten if it had been a normal day. This WOE is quite frankly amazing. Still another 2lbs to get to pre Christmas weight and then another 4lbs to target but feeling good about it as it still works even with a half hearted approach so fingers crossed it will motivate me to stick with it next week.

DontGoThereDaisy Fri 11-Jan-13 10:07:37

Attempting my first 3 fast week – having been 5:2 since autumn (today being #3 this week). I normally can’t do weekends or Wednesdays – which has made a 3 fast week impossible before but this week Wednesday was possible – so I thought I’d give it a go.
Weight wise I’m now back to where I was before an All Inclusive holiday at the end of November and Christmas put a spoke in regular fasting and the continuing pound a week loss – so just 8lbs to my goal again and I'm already well into norrmal BMI.

I’ve found that I generally sleep much better when fasting (as does my DW) odd that some people are finding the reverse.
I did get ‘lack of caffeine’ headaches on fast days when I started, but a small reduction in coffee on ‘normal’ days and a sneaky diet coke on fast days seems to have sorted that out.
For me the only weird side effect is weak feeling forearms the day after a fast! I also found that when weight loss stalled for a few weeks (as it seems it inevitably does) that was the time when I lost inches from my middle – now the weight is moving again the tape is staying the same!

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 10:31:03

Laska yes it would figure I'd do a new thread then his new website would go live! It'll be in the next OP!

aftereights yes I hope you like it. I wouldn't get the green chai, I saw that mentioned here but it doesn't sound like a good idea. grin Black/normal Chai all the way.

niki TDEE is covered in the OP (Original Post) of this thread. PG = pregnant, WOE = Way Of Eating (many of us consider this to be a way of eating in the long term, not just a short term 'diet'), DS = Dear Son.. Mumsnet has a whole slew of its own acronyms. DH, DW, DS, DD = husband, wife, son, daughter, respectively. I know there's a guide around here somewhere for the more esoteric ones...

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 10:40:20

Non-fast day today. I'm not sure what I'll be having, but I haven't eaten yet. Today... we complete on the house we're buying. shock Getting keys and everything. So a bottle of bubbly will feature at some point. (whisper it, but, I don't even like sparkling wine. It just seems appropriate wink )

It's great to see so many new people posting and fitting right in.

Poppy getting the hang of fasting is definitely tough, my first few felt endless. One pound is great news!

Northstar definitely yes, keeping busy is great on a fast day. And while I probably couldn't my first couple of weeks doing this, I'm now quite happy to do whatever exercise I'd normally be doing. It has the double benefit of 1) being exercise (duh) and 2) keeping me from thinking about food for a while. smile

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 10:45:11

.....For my non fast day breakfast I just ate the last mince pie!! ...grin

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 10:46:42

Good luck with the house completion greeneggs when do you move ?

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GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 10:50:35

Laska this will sound like sacrilege, but we didn't eat any of our mince pies this year. I still have three boxes: one box DH bought, one which came with a fruit basket, and one I bought from M&S. I'm still pondering the M&S ones, but when I've been mentally weighing up calories, I've been opting for the other treats we've had around instead. (and the homemade Bailey's, cough)

Not sure when we'll finish moving. We're renting at the moment and technically have this house until almost the end of Feb. If our landlady lets us out earlier (I think she might, as she's trying to sell this place) we could be moving by the end of Jan. eep. It's literally just two streets over, though it still features all the cleaning/packing hassle of a long move.

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 11:01:01

greeneggs didn't you also have some £10 Fortnums ones? or was that a joke?. Mine were h/m so dont know how much they were in calories but very small, 2 bites max.. But I have a feeling I might be inveigled into making more this w/end as DS is over but if so ill get him to take back what's left!

oh look I really should work .. see y'all

JJk6 welcome .. didn't i see you on the fastdiet site?

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 11:14:41

But before I go .. here's another 5:2 community bulletin board which I think is intended to be a replacement for the facebook group .

Ill be staying here though .. I like it here ..and I like you lot grin ..though might look at it and post sometimes if its ok..

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 11:21:17

Laska hah no, they weren't a joke, but I didn't buy them in the end. I tried them at a tasting event they had, and they truly were amazing. I think sense prevailed in the end. smile (also it wasn't really commentary on their calories, just that if I had a sweet tooth this Christmas, I was going for different things. Fudge, for example!)

JK66 Fri 11-Jan-13 11:29:03

Laska42, yes that was me, I made a similar post there, then realising other people are doing this, google brought me here.

As for the mince pies, I made some at Christmas, but since I don't really care about calories on non-fast days, I enjoyed them immensely.

JK66 Fri 11-Jan-13 11:43:42

Laska42, thanks for the link, I'll go check that out too. May as well post the same thing there, since I'm interested if anyone else has tried these boxes and had the same results, though I wouldn't want people to think I'm trying to sell em!

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 11:51:09

I did have Graze boxes for a month or so, but they're quite expensive when you compare the contents to the same amount of the same items you could get in the shops. I know that isn't the point, of course- it's all about having them portioned out into snack sizes. smile There were a few items I loved and then several I felt very 'meh' about. They're a nice alternative to snack foods found in vending machines in offices, though, and I knew one or two people who would get them and keep them at their desks.

Snowkey Fri 11-Jan-13 12:05:14

I got a free Graze box - it wasn't for me - is it meant to be healthy? over packaged and expensive. You'd be better off with a bag of dried fruit and nuts divided into portions.

frenchfancy Fri 11-Jan-13 12:09:20

Looking at the graze website isn't it just snack rather than main meals? So you are still eating calories, just nuts instead of chocolate? Surely a vegetable curry, or a nice soup is more satisfying (and cheaper!)

virginposter Fri 11-Jan-13 12:10:17

On the sleep loss topic, as a long time 5:2er, I haven't had any sleepless nights whilst on a fast day. I do keep all my calories for my evening meal and eat at about 7pm which gives enough time for it to digest and stops me being hungry at bedtime. I do tend to go to sleep late 12.30 ish even on fast days.
Fast day today and so far just real black coffee and peppermint teas - will try the chai once I get some.
I have had lovely comments about my weight loss this week and now have 2 people who are giving it a go. Soon we will be taking over the world! grin

JK66 Fri 11-Jan-13 12:34:44

GreenEggsAndNichts, Snowkey Yes, you're right that they seem expensive for what they are, and it could be done much cheaper, but essentially I'm too lazy to go out and source the same things, and split them up especially if I have to work out the calories.

The way I look at it is I would spend more than £4 on food for a day when I'm not fasting, so it is cheaper than eating normally.

frenchfancy, they market them as snacks, but since I find they are filling enough and tell me what the calories are, it works for me.

I know it's not for everyone, I'm just saying this is how I do it and it works for me.

Today's box is 420 calories, so that leaves me enough to have a small cup of soup today as well.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 13:06:46

JK66 oh I wasn't being judgy- I do pre-packaged Covent Garden soups quite often now on fast days. It'd be cheaper for me to do a big soup myself, but I quite like theirs. After we move, I'm going to look into some containers for portioning out meals for fast days.

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:12:13

hi JK66 I think that having a controlled portion of food (of any type)delivered could work brilliantly if you commute or work long hours and dont have access to other foods.

I'm fortunate that I dont have a long commute , and although I get very hungry for my dinner and like to eat early , I can usually get home by 5.30 and have eaten by 6.30 ..(as usually have prepared what I'm having beforehand)

My (overweight) boss gets these boxes though (was intended as his diet food for the day though he doesn't do 5:2) but i've noticed that he just treats them as extra snacks( and still eats lunch!!) but justifies it because he thinks they are healthier than the snacks he would have had i.e choc bars (though he still eats those too! and often wonders why diets dont work for him.. duh!)

I think I would struggle with this type of thing too also especially the salty crispy things id be a total snack fiend if I wasn't careful ...

But Its different strokes of course and its great that you have found that they are working for you and supporting your fasting lifestyle .

twofalls Fri 11-Jan-13 13:35:26

Good to know other people have struggled with sleep. Hope it's not a long term thing. Dd2 (nearly 3) has only just started sleeping through and I was enjoying my sleep.

Really enjoyed my toast this morning but no desire to stuff myself so that is good. Am going to weigh myself on Monday after I survive a weekend but do feel a bit lighter.

Thanks for tips everyone.

InterestingIan Fri 11-Jan-13 13:35:38

Hello. I'm not a mum since I'm a guy but thought I'd join just to let you know my experiences on this 5:2 diet.

I saw the Horizon programme on the 7th August (think it might have been shown on the 6th August 2012) and have been on the diet since the 8th August. Either Tuesdays and Saturdays, or Wednesdays and Sundays have been my fasting days when I've consumed up to 600 calories.

In addition I have been exercising almost every day, initially in the form of either a 3 mile run or 30 mins on an exercise cycle, but since around 6 weeks ago I've only been running or on an exercise cycle 3 days a week, and I have introduced weight lifting 3 days a week. I should also note that I was exercising before the diet started, although might have increased it slightly since commencing the diet.

Unfortunately I didn't actually weight myself prior to starting. I first weighed myself 2 weeks 2 days into the diet on the 24th August when I weighed 14 stones 3 lbs (199 lbs). I'm 5ft 11 ins.

Here's how much I've weighed in each subsequent week:

14 3
14 2
14 0
14 0.75
13 12.5
13 11.25
13 8.75
13 8.75
13 7.5
13 6.5
13 5.75
13 4.5
13 7.5
13 5.5
13 4.5
13 5.5
13 4.25
13 2.75
13 4.75
13 6.25
13 6.5

A stone is 14 pounds. The first weight 14st 3lbs is what I weighed on the 24th Aug 2012, and the last weight 13st 6.5 lbs is what I weighed approximately about an hour ago. I've lost 10.5 lbs in 20 weeks, although it can be seen that in the last 11 weeks there has been no weight loss whatsoever. So all the weight loss occurred in the first 9 weeks. Am I unusual in this or has anybody else experienced the same?

I'm afraid I know nothing about my IGF-1 levels or other disease markers mentioned in the programme. In the book "the fast diet" by Dr Michael Mosley and Mimi Spencer (Dr Michael Mosley presented the original Horizon programme) Mimi Spencer says "six months in, I have more energy, more bounce, clearer skin, a greater zest for life" (page 17). Speaking for myself, so far as I'm aware, my skin looks exactly the same. And my zest for life remains exactly as it has always been. I do however feel marginally better in myself.

I'll continue on this diet anyway because many of the alleged benefits occur independently of any weight loss. And I'm not really too fussed about restricting myself to 600 cals for 2 days a week.

Incidentally I'm currently reading the aforementioned book by Mosley and will be writing an extended review of it, as well including my experiences and thoughts on this diet, and will be putting it on my blog sometime in the next few weeks. Once it's up there I'll come back and give you the link (if I remember!)

kiwigirl42 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:43:20

It amazes me how much less of an appetite i have on normal eating days. I ate 500 cal yesterday and found it quite easy but didn't get round to having anything to eat today until 1pm. I've had a big plate of jumbo oats and a banana - I find I'm eating healthier on my eating days also, not having the cravings to eat so much crap. Saying that, I had a crunchie bar on my last eating day and it was bloody delicious!.

I can really see this way of eating being achievable life long as it does not involve 'missing out' of any food type.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 11-Jan-13 13:59:36

Afternoon all.

Weighed myself this morning after my swim and am back down to 9:2.
Pretty chuffed with that because having got down to 8:12 before Christmas and then pigged out in New York for two weeks, restarting fasting and losing the weight again has been much MUCH easier than I thought it would.

Just got back from the funeral of a University friend, having been told by two people who'd not seen me for a lot of years that I looked amazing. Chuffed

Ignore comments from people who say you are too thin unless they are thinner than you. Slim people know what lean feels like. Fatter friends are just jealous of your success.

mamarun Fri 11-Jan-13 14:24:15

Finished 2 dys fasting this week on mon and wed. Wanted to try 4:3 this week but unfortunately I had to go for a lunh meeting today. Today I had half a croissant for breakfast and thai food for lunch. I feel so stuffed now after eating something that I would have comfortably eaten before. Don't think I can see food again. Interestingly I have just got a wave of exhaustion and feeling cold whih is something I get now after I eat a large meal. Interesting as when I used to get this before (literally every day) I thought it was my anaemia that caused it. And I tended to deal wih it by eating more comfort food - in the end it is the comfort eating that is triggering these symptoms.

Think will skip dinner tonight.

literarygeek Fri 11-Jan-13 14:32:52

TiP we knew it wouldn't take you long!
Sorry to hear about your friend, though.

virginposter Fri 11-Jan-13 14:46:02

InterestingIan Well done on the weight loss and for sticking with it despite stalling in recent weeks. Many of us have stalled too and have found variations on ways to get going again i.e changing fasting days or switching to 4:3 for a while.
Also you mention you have started weight training recently. Could you be putting on a bit of muscle which weighs heavier than fat? Do your clothes feel looser even though the scales show no loss? It's a shame your scales don't show body fat loss as this would help.

maniacbug Fri 11-Jan-13 14:51:33

Can I ask, how long did it take before you all started noticing the lbs start to come off / clothes feeling looser? (I just tried on my jeans and am irrationally disappointed that they still don't fit, given that it's only been 4 days/2 fasts!)

(I think I have replaced my snack addiction with an addiction to this thread grin)

mamarun Fri 11-Jan-13 14:55:14

Hi maniacbug the weight dropped the first week - largely water I think. It then kind of stalled but then I kind of fell sick so not convinced I was doing the fasts properly. The clothes started feeling looser I would say week 2-3. But I think this really varies by each person. I have lost a little weight his week but don't feel as clothes any looser. So really varies week by week.

JK66 Fri 11-Jan-13 15:04:11

maniacbug, I think it was a few weeks for me, as I was already losing weight before I started by only drinking alcohol at weekends, but stalled in the weight despite exercising as well which is one reason I decided to try this.

It has carried on dropping, but I don't weigh myself that often as I'm not really that hung up on the numbers. For me, the comments from people who I haven't seen in a few weeks, plus having to add extra holes in my belt are more useful indicators (I know I've lost over 4" off my waist and have had to get new belts, and clothes!)

InterestingIan Fri 11-Jan-13 15:22:53

@virginposter The weight training might well be contributing to my failure to lose weight, but I started it after my weight loss stalled. I tend to think my body has become acclimatised to this way of eating. Clothes feel looser than they were a few months ago. As I say I'll continue with the diet. Indeed I intend to continue it for the rest of my life although perhaps dropping to 1 fast day a week eventually. Unless some new research casts doubts on the benefits!

InterestingIan Fri 11-Jan-13 15:31:16

Another thing is that I've been having a tin of branstons low sugar baked beans on toast (warburtons wholemeal bread) for the past few weeks on each and every fast day (my only food for fast days plus 2 or 3 cups of coffee and lots of pepsi max).

Might change the food I eat to see if it makes a difference. A fast day tomorrow and will have 17 walnuts (in their shells) instead. That comes to about 450 cals, but I always have a few cups of coffee too which I put milk and half a teaspoon of sugar in.

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 15:34:40

InterestingIan i'm certainly no expert on exercise (a natural sloth who is trying to do ANY exercise right now)

But theres a whole set of stuff out there on weight lifting and intermittent fasting. ..( Google 'Leangains' ).. that may have some answers for you on weight loss or not

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 15:36:49

BTW... walnuts in their shells? Dont know how you are exercising them, but you must have VERY strong teeth!!grin

InterestingIan Fri 11-Jan-13 15:40:52

Well .. I can crack them with my hands. Don't fancy using my teeth! LOL

Don't they taste better without the shells InterestingIan

pookey Fri 11-Jan-13 16:03:03

why is it I managed some fasts over christmas but just can't get back into it since new year. Still feeling snotty and tempted to start again on monday but that is a bad diet mantra!

Maybe it is some ancient winter instinct to gain weight?

TIP from your descriptions of eating and excersie you have amazing willpower- what's the secret!

InterestingIan Fri 11-Jan-13 16:03:29

Yes they do. And they taste nicer having just been taking out of their shells compared to buying shelled walnuts smile

hefferlump Fri 11-Jan-13 16:06:14

Contemplating starting this and have been reading thru the old thread for inspiration ..... And there's lots there :-) I do have a weight problem - currently just over 4 stone to lose before I could class myself as a healthy weight.
I did try this last autumn but got a nasty head cold soon after and I reverted to my normal bad way of eating.

I would just like to ask what people do when they fall ill with colds etc? Do you try to fast regardless or skip fast days until you feel better?

Many thanks

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:08:42

Skip days hefferlump This isn't a torture diet grin there's always another day ..

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:11:02

Nice ride bro? i've been stuck in 'ere .. BUT unless its a hooley or snow drift im out tomorrow.. I did go into the shed and check me tyres..

DontGoThereDaisy Fri 11-Jan-13 16:15:14

For anyone thinking that added muscle might be masking weight reduction be aware you would see a significant difference in your body shape if that was the case. Muscle is heavier than fat for the same volume!

Five pounds of fat is about the same size as 3 grapefruit, five pounds of muscle is the size of 3 Satsuma.

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:15:36

Hi pookey i was like that earlier in the week and whinged about it , but ok now.. Wots wrong with Mondays? (I usually do Sun/Mon back to back ..)

Now tonight .. to wine or not to wine? THAT is the question (ooh.... ive come over all The Bard...) grin

TalkinPeace2 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:22:01

I'm 47 and have no cartilage in one knee. If I put weight on I end up in so much pain I cannot walk. My options are - keep the weight off / major surgery - pain is a great motivator.
That and I'm naturally a very pedantic pretty mildly psychotic person so I stick to things.
Funeral of an old friend who I thought was fit but died of heart failure also focuses the mind.

DEFINITELY wine tonight.

pookey Fri 11-Jan-13 16:22:05

Laska mon wed fri were my fast days but I haven't been fasting because of this cold but have had it for over a week now maybe I should get on with it and just do a saturday fast? Glad you have managed to get back into the swing of things now smile

pookey Fri 11-Jan-13 16:25:41

TIP2 - that makes your motivation even more amazing really. do you find it ok excersing with knee problems what precautions do you take? Enjoy wine laska and TIP2

Hi Laska , yeah did 40 miles and feel great. Got a feeling with the forecast the way it is it'll be the last time I'll be out for a while. Did you do a lap of the office on the uni? grin

...and the answer on a Friday is always to wine , but don't double it up with some uni practice. Have a great weekend.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:32:21

pookey Swimming and yoga and some cycling - no impact at all and I cannot do front crawl kick. Most people have no idea because I'm used to hiding it. Wore a knee brace when I was nearing 10 st. Do not need it now.

Cyclistist Ignore the Daily Fail - they had nearly the same headline just before we went to the USA - it was bilge then too.

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:40:07

pookey. If i were you id just aim for Monday .. Like I said to heffalump .. dont torture yourself if you are not feeling 100%..You could just be setting yourself up for failure and more bad headspace where you will just beat yourself up

Unless you feel really better do what Aunty Laska says ..... .. im sure that you'll do much better if you allow your body to get better and wait until Monday ...

Yes but bro wasn't I giving wine up for January ? oh well.. I must do what i'm told also it seems.. winkgrin

Oh well, I never said I was good.....(devil in high heels emoticon)

frenchfancy Fri 11-Jan-13 16:49:54

Ian I've been on 5:2 since September averaging 1lb/week, stalled a bit in December (weekend away followed by Christmas were probably responsible) but I am now back on board and have lost over 4lb in the past 2 weeks.

I think the change is due to my upping my exercising - I have an active job but don't normally do other exercise. I've started C25K and I'm doing what I can on other days.

Just done wk3 run 1, never thought I would be able to do it. I am very proud of myself. wine tonight for sure. And the Wii fit arrived today so I'll have to set that up. wine + Wii may not be a good idea though smile

Yep Laska but you didn't say which year smile 2014 sounds good to me

TIP2 ,yep lies, damn lies and newspaper headlines!

TalkinPeace2 Fri 11-Jan-13 16:51:46

wii and wine is great fun - tennis and baseball - just remember not to swing with a glass in your hand grin

Laska42 Fri 11-Jan-13 17:17:22

Right I'm off to think about sorting dinner and picking the old man up from the ferry.. wine later!

See y'all Sunday ..have a good weekend..

bibbitybobbityhat Fri 11-Jan-13 17:53:36

Non-fast day here and I am going to be eating home-made chicken fajitas with salsa, guacamole, sour cream, grated cheese, fresh coriander and green salad followed by vanilla ice cream and raspberry sorbet - as requested by dd as its her favourite meal and her birthday. And will I worry about eating any of that? Not one tiny jot! I will enjoy it.

pookey Fri 11-Jan-13 17:56:52

Right Laska Monday it is!

TIP2 I can only really do the froggy front granny style swimming but I guess I would have to just see how it went. I am 34, don't have any diagnosed problem with knees but they went funny when I was doing squat and lift weight and jogging type excersises in the past also carrying my toddler up the stairs can make them go, one popped when I was running up stairs when children ill and took months and months to stop feeling weird. Not hurting at the moment (wonder if 5:2 has helped?) so I can try some keep fit and ease off if they start to hurt. Tried a silver knee band from boots but was too small just felt worse with it on.

hefferlump Fri 11-Jan-13 18:15:33

LOL thanks Laska42 :-)

bubbles1231 Fri 11-Jan-13 18:26:38

I've ben doing this for 9 days now and seem to have lost my carb addiction. I used to be a crisp addict but they seem to have lost their appeal, as do biscuits. I'm not minding the feeling of hunger either, even on feeding days, and am less inclined to graze. Long may it continue!

bubbles1231 Fri 11-Jan-13 18:36:06

Ian Do you think the pepsi max may be an issue with lack of wt loss? I don't know much about it, but there's been talk recently of artificial sweetners messing up insulin metabolism. Is it worth stopping that to see what happens?
On my fast days I drink hot water with a small squeeze of lemon juice if I've run out of calories for tea and coffee.

Iwearblack Fri 11-Jan-13 18:49:16

Being at peace with hunger is such a relief isn't it bubbles? No longer the horrible fear and the need to panic eat ... I have also lost the 'its lunchtime it must be crisps and a sandwich and a chocolate bar' routine.
Mind you 'it's Friday so it's wine time' is still here! wine

bubbles1231 Fri 11-Jan-13 19:18:28

I do miss my "children are in bed" glass of port on fast days!!

cardiffmummy Fri 11-Jan-13 19:48:46

Week 1 of the new WOE for me. Decided to do a 3rd fast day today to give the weight loss a kick start (hopefully). Have been looking forward to my M&S meal all afternoon, have finally got DS into bed, came down to stick it in the microwave - only to discover its oven cook only for 35 minutes! sad I know its not that long but it seems so when I've been fasting all day! So distracting myself by catching up on the (many) posts. Sooo looking forward to tomorrow!

Iwearblack Fri 11-Jan-13 20:45:40

Hope it was worth the wait cardiffmummy! I would have nuked it in the microwave and eaten it all soggy (as dishes tend to go if they are not meant for the microwave).

DeucesRWild Fri 11-Jan-13 20:59:47

Im looking at moving into this WoE after an episode of dreaded "norovirus"
Your the most diverse group of intermittant fasters iv found so far.
Has anybody here got any personal experinces with PCOS & IF diets?

Skinnyeye Fri 11-Jan-13 21:06:44

Hi Losers and happy weekend

Cyclisist I totally agree with your fast day resetting theory I was thinking the same thing today. Yesterday I was feeling miserable having not managed a full 500 fast since early December and after completing a successful fast day ( what was my normal fast day before the holidays!) I feel back in control again and know that I'm back on track. Weigh in this week and lost a pound and a half -not my biggest loss but heading in the right direction for the first time in weeks-- so having a wine to celebrate grin. Also cutting myself a bit of slack because I am Scottish so New Year is at least as big if not bigger that Christmas so partied twice as hard as all you non Scots hmm

French careful with the Wii and drinking I had a baseball incident and shattered a glass of coke with the wiimote. Sent shards of broken glass all over the lounge and coke everywhere shock

Have planned a good cycle with friends for Sunday [fast day icon] and am starting C25K so hopefully the weather wont be as bad as the forecast suggests.

mamamoomin2 Fri 11-Jan-13 21:20:44

So....I've been 4:3ing for a week now and just weighed myself and I've lost way more than I've been planning on! 6lbs!?

Now as much as I want this 3 stone off asap...I'm worried its too fast. What do I need to do?

I was super active last week and careful not to exceed 2000 on non days.

pookey Fri 11-Jan-13 21:22:10

cardiffmummy was it the most delish meal ever when you finally had it.

laska wii and wine sounds fun - if you have wii fit the start up where you pick your character and do balancing might end up with humorus results done with vino in hand! Reminds me I have zumba for the wii still in its packaging from roundabout last new year blush maybe I should give it a go next mon.

pookey Fri 11-Jan-13 21:26:20

mamamoomin that is an amazing result wow - I don't think you need to worry about a one off large weightloss, I would carry on and see how next week goes if you have lost another 6lb then you might want to check you are eating enough on non fast days.

cardiffmummy Fri 11-Jan-13 21:28:27

Definitely worth the wait! Cod with a bhaji type thing and spicy sauce - yum!! Just going to have a cup of tea and thats my 500 done for the day. But can enjoy weekend now without worrying too much - hooray!!

mamamoomin2 Fri 11-Jan-13 21:30:01

I'm eating some left over roast cumin cauliflower in celebration! smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 11-Jan-13 22:00:24

mamamoo don't worry, 6 lbs isn't actual weight lost. A few lbs will be the fact that you're eating so much less, so you don't have as much food going through your system. The first week does often log a bigger than usual loss.

Now, if you drop another 6 lbs next week, well.. what pookey said. smile

Skinnyeye Fri 11-Jan-13 22:08:25

Another question for you all -
Does anyone else suffer from eczema? I have sporadic outbreaks from time to time (but not since starting fasting) and am currently having the mother of all flare ups (after a 4 week fast break). I'm starting to wonder if the 2 things may be related. Regular treatments are not touching it and I will have to go and see the doc about it. Has anyone else noticed a fasting impact on skin conditions?

duchesse Fri 11-Jan-13 22:15:26

Sooooo, has anybody else found they've gained weight doing this? I started 5:2 a fortnight ago (I've done it 4 times, 5 times if you count today/tomorrow) and have GAINED 1.7 kg in that time, even though my trousers feel less tight around the waist. I think I might have a very very weird metabolism.

timetogetagrip Fri 11-Jan-13 23:17:51

Well I'll go to the bottom of our stairs!! Today is my third fast day since starting this last Sunday. I caught a cold off my mother and as I am a heavy smoker it has gone straight to my chest (usually turns into bronchitis) and today I've been quite ill. Usually I take the addage "feed a cold" to its full meaning and eat constantly, however today, just half a dozen coffees, three hot ribena and at 7 p.m. bowl of tomatoe soup. Just off to bed (not that I'll sleep as cough will keep me up) but wanted to share how proud of myself I am. I am going to weight myself in the morning.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Fri 11-Jan-13 23:23:20

No wisdom or help to impart tonight but wanted to say thanks greeneggs loved the chai tea. & I've eaten far more sensibly today. Think it's because dh has been away , I always eat erratically when he is. Not a good thing as he is going to be away a lot over the coming months.

Iwearblack Fri 11-Jan-13 23:29:38

Well done ttgag! Fasting when poorly is def to be applauded. Have a better Saturday!

nminx Fri 11-Jan-13 23:32:01

InterestingIan I started this WOE on Aug 12 after watching the programme. My weightloss was 7 pounds in the first 3 weeks. Then another 3, then nothing for ten weeks. It would go up or down by 2-4 pounds but hovered around the 10 pound lost mark for ever! Then I had to change my fasting days from Mon & Wed to tues and thurs and 4 pounds fell off me. That was all I changed, just the days that I fasted!
The 4 went back on over Xmas. I have done a back to back 2 day fast and a 4:3 since jan 1st. The 4 pounds has gone.
I shall mostly be doing mon and weds again this year, but shaking it up every now and then.

Sleep- I need less sleep on a fast day and often wake for a few hours during the night when fasting. Normally that would leave me grumpy and rough the next day but not with this WOE.

It should be noted that I've been doing Transcendental Meditation since October and that has also given me much more energy.

Fazerina Fri 11-Jan-13 23:36:37

Hello all! Wau these threads are moving forward so quickly I can't keep up! Today was a fast day and after only a week I feel like I've become used to it already. I didn't feel hungry at all and drank bucket of water and hot rooibos tea, but that could be because I've got a cold at the moment and a cactus in my throatsad.. Also weighed myself in the morning and have lost 2.8lbs in a week, which is massive for me, as I'm a classic yoyo-dieter and can never seem to be able to shift the weight, even during the fist week into a new diet.. I really hope the weight will finally start coming off steadily, as I'm so motivated and actually don't find this WOE too difficult at all. Have a great weekend all!

Skinnyeye Fri 11-Jan-13 23:47:02

Duchese the only times I have gained weight is when I have eaten "normally" on non fast days (normally WTF do I know about normal eating?? I mean the type old type of normal eating, the over eating that got me into this mess!! Responding to mouth hunger and not knowing what tummy hunger feels like, that sort of eating grin

Are you sticking to TDEE on non fast days? If so then you may be right and your body is responding in it's own way to the new WOE. I had no idea what calories or portions looked like so used my own liberal interpretations. Initially i weighed and counted all food until I retrained my portion control and learned the calorific values of foods. Recently I fell off the wagon and went back to old habits. I have now returned to measuring all food as a short term measure to retrain my appetite and reset my attitude towards food.

I also suspect, although have no evidence that I seem to lose weight and inches at different times and perhaps you are the same. It took me time to get to know my "hungry body" as I had never met her before. Over the last 4 months I have figured out what works for me and how my body responds to fasting, as you will too.

I think you need to give it more time and give your body time to adapt to the new regime and don't get hung up on the numbers. As many other wise losers have said we are doing this because we want to look and feel better and get the health benefits in the longer term. It isn't a short term fix but a new way of life. We are at the start of a very long journey, undoing too many years of bad habits, misinformation and can't be arsedness botheredness. Sorry for the long post stay with us and good luck

pookey Sat 12-Jan-13 00:17:42

Welcome DeucesRWild - I can't recall anyone mentioning PCOS but its possible there is someone. A couple of people have mentioned it does affect the length of cycle slightly so this is probably something to monitor.

Breadandwine Sat 12-Jan-13 01:16:00

There's a new 5:2 forum, which I suspect is linked to The Fast Diet site - it's

www.52Fastdiet.co.uk which looks very interesting.

Just as we have done with our Tips and Links thread, they have set up a thread simply called 'Science watch', where any research can be reported.

I've already spotted some stuff on there I don't recall seeing before.

Here's a link to the thread so that we can keep an eye on it:


I'm awaiting registration on that forum, and, when I'm allowed, I'll place a link back to our Tips and Links on it. Seems only fair!

Welcome to all the new members - especially the blokes coming on board. I think there's about 5 of us now.

And bobshouse said it felt funny being on Mumsnet because she's a grandmother twice over. Well, I'm a grandfather three times over - and I'm accustomed to being ignored taken serious note of! grin

And I feel very comfortable on here - as I'm sure you soon will!

AfterEights glad to see the new caring, sharing nickname! grin

Salbertina Sat 12-Jan-13 06:06:59

Definitely find 5:2/low carbing lengthens my cycle by up to 2-3 days (and have always been 28-29days like clockwork!) not much research on this or on women and fasting ( that I've seen) other than that we may need to go a little shorter than men so say 16hrs not 18 etc etc

Bordercollielover Sat 12-Jan-13 07:16:46

Duchess are sure that you didn't weigh at different times in relation to your fasting? Weighing daily for a while would reveal the individual ups and downs, or weighing monthly would show a trend. Weighing weekly is dodgy because you might record yourself at the maximum loss point one week and the maximum gain point the next, ifswim

ErikNorseman Sat 12-Jan-13 09:08:47

Marking place...I've now got back to where I was after the initial weightloss in December (having shed Christmas lbs) and I'm hoping to get under 12st by mid feb. at 4lb a month average loss I could be 10 st by the summer! <dreams>

bettybigballs Sat 12-Jan-13 09:30:21

Skinnyeye you've got me thinking, my eczema has all but cleared up. Hadn't realised the link before. I had two weeks of no fasting over Xmas and my hands and arms went wild with eczema. Horrid, bleeding, scabby itchy crapness. It's cleared up again though, since I've been fasting.

It could be that I'm not eating so much fat, dairy and sugar. I wonder... Will you keep me posted? This is fascinating.

Salbertina Sat 12-Jan-13 09:46:12

Betty, thats great! Could well be related.

Duchess, also time of the month makes big difference in weight- water retention etc

duchesse Sat 12-Jan-13 09:59:06

Well people you were right- my period was due. Random periods seem to be one of the joys of being nearly 45. hmm Am now back to the same weight as before. I hadn't weighed myself at all since starting until 2 days ago although I was weighed just before Christmas as part of a hospital pre-op appointment.

virginposter Sat 12-Jan-13 10:10:45

Stickygingerbread has mentioned that she has pcos (page 4 on thread 9) but I don't think she has been doing IF for long. Perhaps you could send her a personal message or become 'diet' buddies?

Breadandwine Sat 12-Jan-13 10:47:24

* DeucesRWild* If you google 'pcos and fasting' you get a load of results. There's a lot of interest in the subject out there.

Snowkey Sat 12-Jan-13 11:22:30

bettybigballs fat is essential for skin health, although it does depend on the quality of fats - if you have reduced the amount of transfer fats your body will thank you.

Have noticed any different in my eczema - have been fasting now for 5 months....but that of course doesn't mean others won't - just not me sad

On the plus side my Christmas weight has now completely gone - I am now weighting in at 5lbs lighter. Dh has lost his too!

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 12-Jan-13 11:28:01

aftereights I'm really glad you're enjoying it! I quite like it as a change from regular tea/coffee.

I've not decided if I'm fasting today or not. I've had to clean the house again for a viewing, DH is out with DS. I'll ask him if he's fasting today or what. I fasted Thurs so I'd be fine either way, it just depends on if he wants to go out for lunch tomorrow or not.

This really is a WOE for me. I haven't even weighed myself recently, I'm just getting on with fast days and things I need to get done with the house. I'm getting some more exercise in now that the days are a wee bit brighter; I really was down for a while there, and as usual I didn't even notice while it was happening. I only can see now that it's getting better. I come from sunnier climes, and I think I really feel the darkness in the winter here!

B&W thanks for the link! I've checked it out. I think I need a lot more free time if I'm going to try to keep up with all of these new sites springing up. smile

Elegantlywasted Sat 12-Jan-13 12:14:01

Just weighed myself after first full week on 5:2 and am chuffed with a 3.5lb loss. I know that it's always a large drop in the first week or so but it does give me the spur to keep going. Am combining this with 5 days a week of Jillian Michaels DVDs, haven't been brave enough to attempt one on fast days yet though!

Absoluteeightiesgirl Sat 12-Jan-13 12:16:33

Well.... I fell off the wagon in spectacular style. I weighed myself this morning even though I knew it would hurt... And it did. Have gained three more pounds. I have two choices now. Stop bloody whinging and been weak and flaky and crack on or stay unhappy and full of self loathing because I can't seem to stop eating crap.

Starting again......Fast day today then will do Monday, Wednesday and Friday next week.
I have so much self control in many areas of my life but when it comes to food I really struggle.
Onwards and upwards

Skinnyeye Sat 12-Jan-13 12:28:55

Absolute I felt the same way but after a successful fast day it all fell into place again and hopefully it will for you. Try to stop beating yourself up and you will start to feel more positive ans regain control good luck grin

mamarun Sat 12-Jan-13 13:05:33

absolute stay strong. The good thing about this is that you can always start again. Start another day and take it one day at a time. Weight really fluctuates and mine also went really up and down and progress has really slowed. But I tell myself that if I make this difficult for myself there is less chance of me sticking with this. And I want to stick with this for the long run - yes for he weight loss but also for all the health benefits. Keep with it and this forum will be here to support you all the way.

InterestingIan Sat 12-Jan-13 13:24:07


No idea if the pepsi max could be a problem. I think the research is kinda mixed? But worth stop drinking it on fast days to see what happens. I'll drink even more coffee instead.

Only 17 walnuts to eat today!

Laska42 Sat 12-Jan-13 13:29:00

Hi B&Wthat new 5:2 community is the site I posted yesterday .. its the sequel to the facebook site as they found it wasn't working on FB,. its not officially part of or linked onto (or wasnt yesterday) to DR Ms fast diet website though they have asked for it to be ..

Absolute80s , one successful Fast is all that it'll take. You'll feel totally different both physically and mentally smile

catsrus Sat 12-Jan-13 19:06:13

I agree with cyclist - once you manage to do a "proper" fast you will find your motivation reset - so the big struggle will be to get that one under your belt grin it's only one day ... We can all manage one day smile

ariel3112 Sat 12-Jan-13 19:46:49

Tomorrow's Sunday Times has a fasting diet special in the Style section, so I think the new forum is likely to have a lot of hits...

Flojobunny Sat 12-Jan-13 19:52:43

Marking my place smile
Starting to feel a little better now, a little less green and jittery.

Absoluteeightiesgirl Sat 12-Jan-13 19:58:14

Thanks for the words of encouragement.
Well..... I have not lapsed today. Right now I am sat with a rare McDonalds treat next to me. DH had nipped out while I was otherwise engaged. We rarely have stuff like this but I LOVE Maccie D's. I am proud to say I have not had it. I reminded myself that if I did eat it I would without a shadow of doubt, feel lousy afterwards. It is just not worth it. I can't believe I have not scoffed it down.
I can do this

Flojobunny Sat 12-Jan-13 20:08:20

Waw well done 80s I wouldn't be able to resist!

TalkinPeace2 Sat 12-Jan-13 20:23:03

Flojo Glad you feel better. Lots of fluids, minimise solids till the morning and then pace yourself.

I've not eaten a McD meal since 1982. I had a root beer in 1999 and a coffee in 2010. Kids do (if somebody else is paying)
but if I'm settling the bill, I avoid ALL chains and takeaways if I can.
As a student DH and I convinced ourselves that the CIA drugged all McD and KFC food. Not worn off yet.

literarygeek Sat 12-Jan-13 20:28:16

TiP2 I know what you mean about fast food.If you've watched supersize me, I'd argue it's not far off!

Not much at any of those chains for vegans anyway but I stopped eating it when I was 12 and my brother had a summer job in McDs. He stopped eating it then, based on what he'd seen. He wouldn't elaborate but there was a haunted look in his eyes...

I do love a vinegary proper bag of thick chips very occasionally though!

ayshigirl Sat 12-Jan-13 20:40:17

Just posted on an old thread... woops! I'm on day one of this fasting regime (my sis refuses to call it a diet). I've coped ok but now feeling v weak and tired! Are there any good vegetarian recipes out there please? I usually rely quite a lot on cheese and nuts and generally avoid soya. Anything filling?

Breadandwine Sat 12-Jan-13 20:47:18

Laska I tried to register with them yesterday evening - and I'm still waiting for the activation email!

I tried to re-register, but, surprise, surprise, the email and password have all been taken!

There's no 'Webmaster' that I can see to contact.

Anyone else tried to enrol?

ZeldaForever Sat 12-Jan-13 21:00:44

Hello all, another newbie here! Just started this way of eating and looking for support groups that don't think I'm a freak. I don't like people judging me, so I am keeping the whole fasting thing a secret from those around me. I need somewhere more anonymous to vent and share advice, if that makes sense. Hopefully I can add something to this group as well as get something from it, smile

Flojobunny Sat 12-Jan-13 21:07:10

aysh I like weight watchers spinach frittata, I find that really filling.
Also making own soups with various vegetables and add lentils if I want it more filling. But good without on a fasting day.

ZeldaForever Sat 12-Jan-13 21:08:01

ayshigirl Hi, i am new to this too, and I am not vegetarian, but I remember a recipe for portabello mushroom pizzas which are low calorie and filling. You would have to control the amount of cheese and oil to keep it low cal. Basically it is just a whole portabello mushroom, coated with a small amount of olive oil, topped in sauce and cheese, and whatever you like, roasted in the oven at 450 degrees until the cheese is melted. I have made them with spinach and tomatoes and just a small amount of cheese, and it was plenty filling!

Flojobunny Sat 12-Jan-13 21:09:05

Hi zelda I know exactly what you mean unfortunately.
I get lectures on how fasting is so unhealthy blah blah.

Flojobunny Sat 12-Jan-13 21:10:59

Stuffed mushrooms you mean or on a pizza?

Laska42 Sat 12-Jan-13 21:26:05

Cant be a$$ed with the new forum B&W I'm staying here!

Yes the Fail on Sunday Fast special tomorrow .. they have asked a couple of us here ( me inc) but my leftie politics and the fact as they wanted pics meant I wasn't going to agree..

Laska42 Sat 12-Jan-13 21:33:12

oh ariel just remembered you'd said Sunday Times.. i was contacted by Mail on Sunday.. so looks like more than one paper going to be jumping on the bandwagon tomorrow

ZeldaForever Sat 12-Jan-13 21:37:51

Flojobunny No, what I mean is t he mushroom is the crust, everything else goes on top of the mushroom!

ZeldaForever Sat 12-Jan-13 21:39:23
Bobshouse Sat 12-Jan-13 21:40:49

All going well, did the calculations and seems I am meant to have 1400 cals to lose weight on feast days not the 1200 I have allowed. Am loving the hairy dieters cookbook where all the recipes have calories stated. Makes it easy. Am settling into a routine on fast days of having the same things. I have found what fills me but keeps me within 500 cals. I am even happy not having potatoes with meals but padding it out with plenty of low cal veg. Next fast day is Monday.

ZeldaForever Sat 12-Jan-13 21:46:05

I just had a fast day yesterday. It went fine but as I unexpectedly worked a double and was on my feet longer, I burned a crazy amount of cals, and as a result had a difficult time sleeping.

frenchfancy Sat 12-Jan-13 21:48:01

B+W I have registered, but not posted yet, prefer it here TBH I think we are a nicer bunch.

Proper feast day today including beer and garlic bread smile keeping up the exercise though, 30 mins on the horse and 30 mins on the Wii and 15 minutes on the bike (between showers). Not quite up to TiPs standards, but very good for me smile

Flojobunny Sat 12-Jan-13 21:58:48

Oh I think I'm going to have to get me some of those mushrooms. Trouble is, they look tiny, I think I might want 4!
Going to have a fasting day tomorrow since I'm still feeling a bit rough.
Hoping I'm going to be up to doing the Shred again tomorrow though might have to cut down on the cardio for now.

Breadandwine Sat 12-Jan-13 22:26:48

I'm not fussed about posting on the other forum, I love this place too much - but I just wanted to link back to our Tips and Links thread in return for keeping an eye on theirs.

And if posters from there want to come over here, they'd be more than welcome.

Dr M has just tweeted that the producers of the Horizon prog are thinking about doing an update - as forecast by someone on here (can't remember who...).

Zelda and Flojo I have stuffed mushrooms regularly as part of a Sunday roast. I use field mushrooms (half the price) instead of Portobello, since, with a tasty topping, you don't notice any difference in flavour.

I'm a vegan, so I top mine with mushroom pate (Pateole) and vegan pesto. Sometimes I'll mix some tomato puree in there as well. And I have it with a spicy tomato sauce instead of gravy.

When I make it tomorrow, I'll work out the calorie content for two topped field mushrooms. I'm sure they'll be quite low. I haven't needed to work it out yet, since I don't count calories on a feed day.

I'm sat here steadily working my way through a bar of chilli chocolate. I've really had sufficient (38g gone already!), but..... blush

Ilovegoodfoodandwine Sat 12-Jan-13 23:02:58

B&W I registered on the other site, it was instant I had an activation email sent to my email address and just had to click on th link and then I could log on. I haven't posted yet, but it looks quite organised and well done. But only time will tell..
I've just had the last of my turkey tonight in a previously made and frozen turkey, ham and leek pie.. Bloomin lovely lol.. It's not a fast day obviously.. That comes on Monday..

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sat 12-Jan-13 23:44:36

Welcome newbies. Have done a fast of sorts today (3rd this week) & had around 650-700 calories. Not sure whether to count as a proper fast or not & wondered what other people think. Mind you it's an improvement on the amount I would normally eat on Saturday.

Wanted to atone a little for my sheer gluttony this week & thought its the only way. I seem to be ok on fast days but then uncontrollable on others. Really have got to pull my socks up or I will stop losing weight! I know a few other people are having the same issues - it's probably new yearitis!

Breadandwine Sun 13-Jan-13 00:06:50

Hi Aftereights if I've over-indulged on one day I often cut out breakfast and lunch on the next day - reasoning "I had my breakfast and lunch yesterday!"

Then I just have a normal dinner that night - sort of like a mini-fast. smile

(As far as I can remember, no-one's mentioned the other brilliant side effect of missing one or two meals - saving time is one thing, but less washing-up is the other! wink)

The guy on the 'gettingstronger' link (on the T&L thread) does what he calls 'The Fast-5', which is about having a 5-hour eating window during the day. The 19 hour fast provides all the health benefits of 5:2, apparently.

I'll give the link again, since there is so much on his site - and it all looks like good stuff. The 5 x 10 minute videos are all worth watching for the info they contain:


stickygingerbread Sun 13-Jan-13 02:18:03

4th fast day here and so far so good. I've a stack of books to read on insulin resistance, glycemic load, fasting and insulin sensitizing diets. they do not all agree with each other.

DeucesRWild I can't provide a voice of experience but I was diagnosed with pcos just a couple of weeks ago, and it has set me off on this path. right now my plan is to alternate day fast and avoid high glycemic load foods most of the time (carve out for cake).

It is frustrating and enlightening to understand the issue. When pg with dc1 I experienced sudden and rapid weight gain. Unlike other bf mums, none of the added weight shifted at all. At the same time, I work full time at a desk job and it has been all but impossible to have the regular activities and work outs that were part of my life before small children (especially after #2 arrived).

So I am glad to understand what has happened and why - a perfect lifestyle storm. I had already eliminated pasta and rice and minimized potatoes, but it was not enough. Now I am looking at eliminating coffee <weep> due to its cortisol stimulating effects.

In addition, due to pcos, I may have to change approach to limiting dairy and soy and no doubt there will be other changes still to be discovered. Have added spearmint tea which is helpful on the fast days and is supposed to lower testosterone levels. I already take multivitamin, D3 and omega3 as longstanding practice.

So the ADF is clearly the answer to me - I have to shift the weight for health reasons as well as desire and it is the first thing to come along to help me shift it in almost 6 years.

One more comment - have seen discussion of IF for women and questions of how it may affect fertility. I note that some women may begin IF from a very lean and athletic starting point, while others like me may be locked into sedentary jobs and lifestyles as parents of young children, and carrying extra weight. I have been advised that losing weigh will assist in improving insulin resistance and fertility, but a very lean woman might have to consider whether it would impact ovulation to push hard with IF. Each has to evaluate their own circumstances.

It is hard to find time to post so please forgive this essay!

rosemarysage Sun 13-Jan-13 02:22:07

Hi Aftereights

<Welcome newbies. Have done a fast of sorts today (3rd this week) & had around 650-700 calories. Not sure whether to count as a proper fast or not & wondered what other people think>

Personally I would count that as a fast day. I have had some "fast" days where I ate this amount, including the first one I did after Christmas (which I found really hard, but the next 2 after that went fine).

SortingItOut Sun 13-Jan-13 09:01:41

I have the Mail on Sunday delivered so have The Fast Diet Special wink

There is no more info than what we have here but I suppose it is good for those that don't know about it but I feel like I have more questions.
I did not watch the Horizon programme but want to so hopefully it will be shown soon.

It says in the MOS that the most relaistic plan is to have two non-consecutive days each week but does not explain why it is more realistic or if there is any scientific evidence behind it?

I also thought Miso soup was very low in calories but in the MOS it says that it is 84 cals so I presume better to stick with more low calorie drinks?

A colleague at work has done 5:2 since August and has lost quite a bit of weight and now feels she is too thin so is trying to put some on smile

I decided to start this WOE the other Thurs and when I weighed myself yesterday I had lost 3lbs - I know most of this is water but I was still pleased - Saturday is my best day to weigh in which is after a fast day so I know my weight loss will not really be that amount.

I am only 5ft 4" tall but weigh nearly 11 stone, I wear size 12 clothes and don't look too fat whereas other work colleagues of same height weigh a lot less and have same size clothes - most confusing.

I am hoping to lose weight and get myself out of the binge cycle I have. Once I start eating at lunch time I can't stop and then binge for the rest of the day - I am not hungry just wanting more food.

This WOE has really helped me.

I am drinking soya milk coffee in the day time and then having main meal between 6 - 8pm and so far (3 fast days total) I feel brilliant. I am going to stick with 2 veggie saus, quarter tin of beans, an egg and a slice of wholemeal bread for my maim meal - this comes to just over 500 cals for the day!!

Hope to keep posting.

Flojobunny Sun 13-Jan-13 09:21:59

Does your 500 cals account for drinks too?
I live on milky tea with 1 sugar, so on a fast day I don't eat at all. By the time I get to about 8pm and feeling really hungry I just tell myself I've come this far so I might as well push on only another 2 hours and I'll go to bed and get an early night.

Breadandwine Sun 13-Jan-13 10:18:22

Sorting check out the last 2 or 3 posts on the Tips and Links thread for links to the programme.

Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 10:23:21

Hello all, I'm new to this forum and have a couple of questions that i'd like to ask more experienced 5:2-ers if thats ok? (1) I'm 5ft 2 and 51 yrs old....I posted the other day and gave my wt as around 11st...WRONG!!!....just weighed as thought everyone else on forum sort of knows theirs...12 STONE!!!! I'm bordering on hysterical here as that is heavier than I was an hour before I gave birth to my DS!!! So....I know that i have a tendency to go completely over the top (ie starve myself) then give up (as is my nature unfortunately ....Can someone please give me an example of maybe 2 fast day menu examples and 2 feed day examples? I need guidance here or I know I will act in haste in reaction to finding out my weight (oh why oh why oh why did i get on those scales...i can feel my mood plummetting!)

My second question is about whether its ok for a 22yr old person to start this woe or is that not advisable? any advice, support much welcomed.

frenchfancy Sun 13-Jan-13 11:04:54

Welcome to the fold Ghanagal. Firstly I see no reason at all why a 22 year old, or any other age come to that (baring young children).

Getting on the scales was a good thing, denial is bad. This will give you more motivation to go forward.

Fast day example #1 - 2meals
Skip breakfast - just a cup of tea or coffee
Lunch - bowl of carrot soup (250ml) plus a low fat yoghurt = 150cals
Dinner - Butternut squash and lentil curry = 300cals (no rice)

Which leaves you 50 cals for drinks

Fast day example #2 - 1 meal
Skip breakfast and lunch - just coffee or tea
Dinner - Veg Chilli with rice (50g raw weight) = 410 cals

Which leaves 90 cals for drinks and maybe a yoghurt

I have chosen to eat vegetarian meals on my fast days as you get more bang for your buck.

In terms of feed day examples it really depends on what your TDEE is. Mine is quite high as I have an active job, so I can have 2300 cals. I normally have more like 1800 on weekdays, and 2500+ at the weekend. I eat normally - but you really need to get an idea as to what normal is. I logged all my food for the first 2-3 weeks to make sure I was right (which means weighing everything).

I think it helps to watch the secret eaters program, on there they show people who think they eat 1600 cals a day, when in reality they are eating 3000+ as they forget to count everything that passes their lips, and they get portion sizes completely wrong.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 13-Jan-13 11:29:34

Thanks b&w & rosemary

flojo yes you should include milk & sugar in your fasting calories.

Read the fasting diet in Sunday Times & it's pretty much as we know it. Though we get a mention grin

ghanagal it definitely helps if you skip breakfast. At the start of this I used to keep boiled eggs & lettuce in the fridge in case hunger got the better of me. Now I go 24 hours which I actually find easier.

Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 11:42:31

thanks so much for all your examples and tips. Have just calculated my bmi and its 30.72 which says im in obese class 1 and at high risk for developing health problems. I have to admit...i've bust a few tears at this and am feeling a bit in shock. But...I then came back to this page and there you all where with your support and tips and I've suddenly realised that maybe it was meant to be that I discovered this woe in last couple of weeks and then found the fab mumsnet and the 5:2 threads. I don't feel alone in this journey I have ahead of me to get myself back healthy. (don't know how to show a wobbly mouthed smiley)

Bordercollielover Sun 13-Jan-13 11:48:18

deuce, if you have not already discovered them, may I suggest that Jenny Ruhl's books just might save you a lot of reading as she has done the searching of the research papers herself. One of her books is called Blood Sugar 101, or similar. One book is for diabetics, the other for non diabetics whose blood sugar does not behave as it should.
On that subject and with so many new people on here, I wonder if anyone knows of someone with Type 2 Diabetes whose GP or clinic actively supports some sort of Intermittent Fasting?

kiwigirl42 Sun 13-Jan-13 11:51:58

Morning everyone! Eating day for me today and wouldn't you know it, not bloody hungry. I managed on 400 cal yesterday (huge bowl jumbo oats, banana and some grapes) and was really ok.
I haven 't weighed myself since I started but will today. I have just ordered wii active which has good reviews - like a personal trainer on wii. Making home made ice cream later though so that will soak up the calories! In fact, it was partly that bloody ice cream machines fault I'm as fat as I am. And the waffle maker. Bastards.
I bought some Swedish Fjallbrynt Messmor whey butter from Ocado, its only 5% fat and was 13 cal for covering 2 bits of bread. Its quite sweet and i am pleased to find it as butter was a big user of my daily calories. Us NZ girls love our Anchor! The cat adores the whey butter too!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 13-Jan-13 12:03:36

ghanagal don't despair when I started my bmi was 36! I'm now 29. I've still got another 2 stone to lose before my bmi is normal but on this & with everyones support on here i know I can do it.

Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 12:10:28

Frenchfancy...thanks for your post. Sorry everyone but...can I just ask a question in terms of TDEE....I've just calculated mine (1718)...I've read its critical to know this. But now I know it..what does it mean? I'm kind of thinking from what i've read that it's to do with how much I can eat on a feed day so I lose weight and don't go into starvation mode?

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 13-Jan-13 12:11:26

Also it helps not to look at how much weight you've got to lose in total but take it a little at a time. So I work on half a stone decreases for every 2 months. Otherwise I'd panic at the enormity of it all.

Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 12:12:02

Thanks aftereightsarenolongermine smile

kiwigirl42 Sun 13-Jan-13 13:11:47

Ghanagal - yes, its how much you should aim to eat on a feed day.
I've just watched the Horizon film - very very interesting and will keep me going on fast days. I've weighed myself (couldn't face it when I started) and my BMI is 27. I'm aiming for BMI of 22 but will just keep alternate day fasting until I am there. I am in no particular hurry!

joeysdreamgarden Sun 13-Jan-13 13:12:02

Hiya, I did my second fast day yesterday without too many probs although I was very short-tempered. My first fast day on Weds was quite difficult, the hunger wasn't really a big problem, I can deal with that, it was just that in the evening I just felt like sh1t!! First fast day I had porridge for 'breakfast' which was actually at 12:00 noon, then nothing til about 8pm when I had 110 cal soup (Tesco Light Choices Carrot & Coriander which is really yummy, recommended!!) and a big salad (230ish cals). It felt like my blood sugar had gone crazy, so yesterday's fast I had porridge a bit earlier (11:30am), yummy aforementioned soup again at 3pm then I was busy with stuff all evening so kept putting off big salad for tea until 11pm!! Oops! I was almost thinking, not much point having it now... but did anyway, I think my OH may have been annoyed/worried if I started just having 200-ish cals on a fast day... Anyway, it was weigh day yesterday morning after my first week and I'd lost 10lbs! I think most of it will be fluid loss as my face looks less puffy now.
Mind you, I have got A LOT to lose, my BMI was 40.9, (I'm 5ft 4ins, was 17st) now its 39.2. (dropped to 16st 4lbs). My first goal is 12st that I would love to reach for my 40th birthday in August...
Good luck to all today's fasters!
Joey xx

kiwigirl42 Sun 13-Jan-13 13:33:06

well done you joey! thats a real achievement. I had 800 cal my first 2 fast days but now find it easier to stick to - only had 400 yesterday.
Keep on going and you will get to the BMI you want.

frenchfancy Sun 13-Jan-13 13:56:30

ghanagal your TDEE is what your body needs each day. If you ate that number of calories every day your weight would not fluctuate, you would stay the same. The aim is to eat that on your feed days and use your fast days as the calorie reduction part of your diet. For me the advantage is I'm not on a diet every day. I can not maintain a diet, after a week or so I go crazy, but on 5:2 I'm fine because most of the time I am eating normally.

The problem for a lot of people is that, before they start 5:2, their normal diet exceeds their TDEE, sometimes by a significant amount. This is why the excess weight is there to start with. If you carry on eating like this whist doing 5:2 you may slow or stop the weight gain, but it may be difficult to lose weight.

For example your TDEE works out at 12026 per week.

If you stick to 1712 on feed days and 500 on fast days you will eat 9560 cals in a week, which is 2466 cals less than your body has used so you will lose weight.

If however you are eating the same as me on a feed day (ie 2300) then 500 on a fast day you will be eating 22500 per week and are likely to either stay the same weight or put on a little bit.

Hope that makes sense.

joeysdreamgarden Sun 13-Jan-13 13:58:07

Thank you so much for your encouragement, Kiwigirl! I guess if you can easily manage on 400 cals then that's ok, I could have almost done that yesterday but I did really enjoy my big salad!

I'm really loving salads at the moment, after all that stodge at Christmas... I have to have some Tesco light choices balsamic dressing and a bit of Sainsburys basics tomato chutney too, to perk it up a bit.

Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 14:17:34

Frenchfancy: thanks that's an excellent summary for me, I totally get it now. So am on a "feed" day today and have just had a lightchoices wrap with a tablespoon of roasted peppers, 2 dryfried mushrooms and 2 slices of halal turkey/olive loaf (approx 100 cals each) so this totals approx just under 500 cals (each one delicious smile). Tonight I'm going to have a slice of granary bread toasted, with half a can of spaghetti and a "happy" egg...again I think this totals around 500 cals. I'm aware that I've still got quite a few cals I can still use up on this feed day too. Question....am I right in thinking then that as you lose weight the TDEE will need re-calculating so your not eating the amount of cals for the higher weight?

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 14:54:39

Do not buy miso soup. Make it. Then you know it will have stuff all calories in it.
Cupboard stores
Jar of miso paste from any supermarket (Sainsburys have it with their exotic ingredients range, Waitrose its with the herbs)
Knorr stock pots - vegetable work best
Bunch of spring onions, living in a pint glass of water on the windowsill or in the garden
Boil the kettle.
Chop the green leaves from a spring onion and leave it to grow more.
Put one teaspoon of miso soup into a mixing bowl and one stock blob and half the chopped greens.
Add half a litre of boiling water and stir to dissolve everything.
Dilute with cooler water and serve into one large bowl or two smaller ones.
Sprinkle the rest of the greens on top.
According to MFP that is 25 calories a bowl and around 50 pence a serving.
And it makes you feel like you've had a meal.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 14:57:10

rather than guessing, start using MFP to check your exact calories. Less to count than to get a real feel for what is in what.

And yes, your TDEE drops as you lose weight. I'm 5'5 and my TDEE is under 2000 because there's not much of me but I'm a gym bunny.

be careful of chutneys - they are chock full of calories !

Ezzza Sun 13-Jan-13 15:01:25

Oh dear, yesterday I broke my fast. After spectacularly failing an exam yesterday I found myself in Macdonalds. A Big Mac and fries, 3 packets of M&Ms and some serious retail therapy later I went to bed. I decided not to post yesterday as I didn’t want to risk ranting at you lovely friendly people, so I thought I’d wait until I was feeling more cheery about it all, or at least more stoic.

Feeling better about it today. I do like that about this WOE. On daily calorie restriction based diets I’ve done in the past I beat myself up for ages after falling off the wagon, but not with this WOE. I’ve already had two successful fast days this week (I’m doing 4:3) which is stopping me feeling like a failure. I know I’ll be able to carry on next fast day!

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 15:06:19

No, you did not "break your fast" or "fall off the wagon"
You just had a change in circumstances and moved it to another day.
And all exams can be retaken.

I've been having a fast day and then DH comes home ravenous and stressed and we have a big supper and a bottle of wine. So I fast the next day instead. So long as I (roughly) get two a week done, it will be fine.

Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 15:10:19

Talkinpeace....sorry but what's MFP?

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 15:13:48
Ghanagal1717 Sun 13-Jan-13 15:15:34

OH!!!!! lol....sheepishly saying thanks

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 15:21:08

its really useful because you can put in ingredients and everything to accurately work out your intake

remember that tea with milk, need to take account of the milk and the sugar....
a lady on another thread had been calorie counting for years but not included her 8 cups of tea a day, each with three sugars !

orange juice is 100 calories a glass for example : 1/5 of your fasting day allowance!

joeysdreamgarden Sun 13-Jan-13 15:40:25

TalkinPeace2 I don't think it's too bad, I have one tablespoon which is 15 cals, which I count in of course.

Does anyone know of a low cal warm & spicy sauce (but not Tabasco, that's TOO hot!) that I could use on my salad instead of chutney?

Snowkey Sun 13-Jan-13 16:21:58

joey Tabasco green is quite mild - otherwise I'd use a mild chilli powder.

literarygeek Sun 13-Jan-13 16:26:04

joey you could make your own honey and mustard dressing.

Or if you like Japanese flavours you can normally make quite flavourful low cal dressings which are spicy. I found a couple here by googling.

I think TiP has a point though- milk and sugar are not calorie free so it would be a shame for someone to be depriving themselves food wise on a typical calorie-controlled diet and just forgetting about what could be hundreds of cals worth of hot drinks.

Flojobunny Sun 13-Jan-13 16:49:09

The trouble is on MFP tea with milk and sugar seems to come up with loads of different cals, its hard to know which one is right.

joeysdreamgarden Sun 13-Jan-13 16:49:19

Snowkey thank you, I hadn't heard of that so will seek it out & give it a try. I used sprinkle on a bit of ground mixed spice which was ok but I don't fancy it now. Tabasco green might be the way to go.
Thank you, Literarygeek, unfortunately though I'm not keen on the flavour of mustard but I will check out the link, thanks so much!! smile
Kind regards, Joey

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 17:00:51

ALL calorie counting sites have a problem with items that on their own are too small to count but cumulatively add up.
The milk in a cup of tea is minimal. The milk in 7 cups of tea is not.
That's why I learned to round UP rather than down - as then the surprises would be good.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 13-Jan-13 17:04:56

The green Tabasco is quite nice, and definitely much milder (I seem to recall using it and a bit of lime as a marinade for chicken when I lived in TX).

I also use French's mustard mixed in with a bit of normal salad dressing (usually a vinaigrette) for when I do a salad with a bit of chopped ham in it. I love it, and mustard is very low cal.

I also use a microplane (zester) if I'm grating cheese on salads now, even on non-fast days. I use much less cheese this way, but still get the flavour boost from it. I weigh out what I use.

Digital scales are very, very useful for all of this! And they aren't expensive at all, just look on Amazon.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 13-Jan-13 17:08:39

Flojo yes, as TIP says, I tend to round up. Figure out how many cups of tea you have a day. Then figure out how much milk you use per cup. Be honest, is it milky or still dark brown when you drink it? Now, if you're having 5x cups of tea, you could very well be drinking a cup of milk, total. I would figure out the number of calories in the cup of milk and add it to my total.

Then, if you're using sugar (which will definitely add up on a fast day, you might want to try cutting back), that's easy enough to measure- are you putting a teaspoon in? two? Count up all your teaspoons and add them to your day.

I, personally, wouldn't be looking for 'tea with milk and sugar', because that's too random. Just measure the milk, measure the sugar, and that's it. The tea itself is practically nothing.

I often overestimate my milk calories just to be on the safe side.

Flojobunny Sun 13-Jan-13 17:19:33

Well I've cut down on tea and started drinking fruit juice, which I know is probably much more calories but much healthier.

literarygeek Sun 13-Jan-13 17:40:57

flojo that's great that you're thinking of your health - well done!

sadly, though, I would dispute the assumption that juice is better than tea, health-wise. There's lots of evidence that tea (drunk without milk, or with non-dairy milk) has a lot of health benefits, including anti-angiogenesis (anti-new blood vessel formation- which is a key factor in cancers becoming harmful), and dental health(green tea, eg). Fruit juice on the other hand, is lots of calories and as it hasn't got the fibre of the whole fruit, can cause blood sugar to go all over the place- not good for our poor pancreases or our weight loss. Dentists are not fans, either.

Have you tried herbal teas as an alternative? Ones which are spicy like ginger or licorice (pukka teas are good) taste sweet too. Or black chai? Or just carry on with the tea you enjoy but be aware of the cals therein. smile

Aftereightsarenolongermine Sun 13-Jan-13 17:45:58

flojo why not measure your milk 'allowance' for the day & then you will have a good idea of the calories you're consuming.

Absoluteeightiesgirl Sun 13-Jan-13 18:00:58

flojo I use sugar cubes instead of loose. They are 13 calories each and much easier to log in terms of calories used. I can take them to work as well.

fretfree Sun 13-Jan-13 18:33:58

Hi everyone - loads of great weekly success stories. Well done everyone. I'm still on alternate days, but my goal is in sight :-). I will move to 5:2 then.

I have a question for those of you using mfp, as I have just signed up. How do you programme in different daily calorie goals?

notamomtokids Sun 13-Jan-13 18:35:18

I don't think I'm really adding anything new here but I just wanted to reiterate what rosemarysage posted. I stocked up for Christmas and prepared myself for a huge pigout. This still hasn't happened and that is purely because I have not felt like it.

I have been doing the intermittent fasting for a while; not sticking to it as ridgidly as 5:2 but have still seen amazing results. I have watched a few programmes done by Dr Michael Mosley and some of the stuff that he looks at really makes sense. For me it is mainly for asthetic reasons but for the boyf it is all about health. There is some research that shows eating in an 8 hour window is also good as it then allows the body the remaining 16 hours to digest food, relax and do any repair work that is necessary; this isn't always possible when the body is hard at work digesting food.

Eat, Fast and Live Longer was the programme looking at intermmitent fasting but also looked at the incredible health benefits.

I once managed a 48hr fast because I was really busy with work and couldn't actually get to a table to eat. I had hunger pains but they passed very quickly and when I was able to and felt hungry I sat down to a normal meal. I think it is quite difficult to really go over the top in one sitting.

virginposter Sun 13-Jan-13 18:37:58

Second fast day for me this week and for anyone interested in my 500 cals, here is:
Nothing all day except black coffee, water and mint tea, then at 7pm:
150g lean ham = 165
100g butternut squash = 40
250g carrots = 103
200g cabbage = 44
1 apple = 90
Total = 442
Which then leaves enough for a small knob of butter on cabbage and a quick spray of olive oil whilst cooking squash. Yum!

welshmill Sun 13-Jan-13 18:41:23

Ghanagal take heart! I'm 4ft 11" and in June I was 11st 2lb with a BMI of 31.5 blush. I basically stopped eating after that shock but stalled at 10st 5lb and then I saw the Horizon programme.....I'm now 8st 13lb with a much healthier BMI of 25.2. This WOE really works. smile.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 13-Jan-13 18:58:50

I totally agree with literarygeek's post. I love fruit juice (especially fresh OJ, or cranberry juice, yum), but only in very small amounts, and not often on fast days.

Herbal teas might be a good compromise. I also sometimes have decaf coffee on a fast day, if I think I've had too many (am more of a coffee gal than tea). Oh, I do like chai tea, though. It's nice for a change in flavour, lots of spice in it.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 13-Jan-13 19:02:06

By the way, I highly recommend frenchfancy's post on page 11 regarding TDEE, if you are new to this WOE. She's so much better than I am at explaining these things.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 13-Jan-13 19:06:35

notamom I agree. I especially find that now that I fast regularly, I'm unable to overdo it at one meal like I used to. My stomach seems to have finally shrunk a bit to normal-person size. Whatever that is. smile

I do still eat some of the wrong things, but in actual serving sizes. Not because I make a conscious design to do so, but because I'm actually satisfied with the normal serving size now. It's a revelation.

virginposter Sun 13-Jan-13 19:12:23

Wow! Totally overestimated the size of my last fast meal as posted above. The veg were mega huge as was the ham. Gave 2 slices to Dh and only ate about two thirds of the veg.
Stopped eating as I was feeling full-ish and now hate to feel over full. May have the apple later if I'm hungry.
I love this WoE smile

Flojobunny Sun 13-Jan-13 19:51:58


TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 20:00:42

Way of Eating

because this is not a "diet" - its for life.
My BMI is under 21, but I fast because its good for me.
In two years time, more and more of the long term posters will have BMI under 22.5, but will still be doing 5:2 because its habit and good for them
and in 20 years time, we'll be the people looking lean and mean and not popping pills to stay healthy

Salbertina Sun 13-Jan-13 20:01:06

Way of eating... Occasionally indeed a woe

frenchfancy Sun 13-Jan-13 20:06:26

greeneggs you flatter me blush

Salbertina Sun 13-Jan-13 20:09:29

Those of you who used 4:3 to get to healthy weight and have maintained 5:2 fir a while, how's it worked out for you?

Ive been doing 5:2 for nearly a year bar about 3 months when i fell off the wagon. Id lost a lost of weight before this (nearly into underweight Bmi) but regained it all. Now in week 2 of restarted 5:2 and already lost 1.25 (guess water, mainly) I intend to lose about 4 kilos and am wondering about doing 4:3 to kickstart then 5:2 till i hit target, then 5:2/6:1 to maintain...any advice pls?

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 20:11:34

never done 4:3 - just do 5:2 - or sometimes 6:1
I find wine on the weekend balances it all out once the TDEE gets low enough!

Bordercollielover Sun 13-Jan-13 20:34:44

TIP2 I hope you won't mind me suggesting a slight adjustment to your delicious looking Miso soup recipe?
I would add the Miso paste at the end, AFTER it has been cooled a bit. Miso has some healthful properties which are destroyed by the heat in boiling water.
I will be trying your recipe out tomorrow, it looks great Thankyou.
Also apologies if the heating miso issue has been mentioned up thread, I can't keep up any more.

vix0306 Sun 13-Jan-13 20:36:27

Can anyone help??
I think there is something really wrong with me sad - I have tried every diet going and really thought this would work for me as there are so many success stories. In fact I can't find online anyone who has had similar issues.
I find that on 'fasting days' that all I can think about is food and end up going over allowance. I'm very confused about 'feed days' as I'm not sure what I should be eating( how many calories) and if people do this by 3 meals a day. A lot of people seem to report that they struggle to eat enough on their 'feed days'. It really worries me that whatever I try I seem to have the most massive appetite which I can't control. I feel so bad as no-one else seems to have these issues.
Perhaps I should just stick to eating regular meals to stop me from getting so hungry that I want to binge, but not sure if even that works. A lot of my colleagues are following IF and skipping meals seems to be the norm so I find it very difficult to eat if others aren't. Feel like a greedy pig.

Has anyone got any advice? Feel a bit desperate really.

Salbertina Sun 13-Jan-13 20:46:25

Takes time to get used to it. We all have ups and downs. its honestly not a diet to succeed or fail at but a sustainable way of eating once you get used to it. Too many carbs does up craving for the bad stuff so maybe choose high protein meals/ snacks on feed days. Make sure you're getting enough good fat also as a) good fir you and b) filling!

hefferlump Sun 13-Jan-13 20:47:37

Well I've started. Egged on somewhat by today's Sunday Times feature. Fast today was a breeze - Im going to go to bed early as this is my 'bad' time of night for snacking.
I didn't eat all day - just had one mug of tea this morning then black coffee or water throughout until 5.30 when I ate a small meal with my son. Came in at just under 500 cals for the day.

Planning my next fast for Wednesday when I will be busy at work. Being busy today has definately helped I think as boredom is something which will trigger snacking with me.

4 stones to go :-)

Salbertina Sun 13-Jan-13 20:48:33

And the idea is normal eating on non-fast day ie c 2000 calories for normally active/sized woman

debbie2201 Sun 13-Jan-13 21:06:34

Helloooo everyone...can I join your thread please...Have done a week so far of 5:2...weigh day tomorrow.. Got 4 kids, 14,10, 8 and 1 year..got about 2 stone to lose. Doing ok but wondered will I still lose weight if I don't exercise. I have ongoing back problems for which I am seeing a physio for and although I am encouraged to walk its very slow progress at the moment.

hefferlump Sun 13-Jan-13 21:13:19

Hi debbie2201 ..... I bet you get plenty of exercise looking after your family :-) I won't be exercising either - also have back problems and a massive lack of energy due to my weight. I'm just going to take one step at a time - do the 5:2 sometimes 4:3 if I can, and see where this takes me.

I also have pain in ankles and feet due to my weight so until I shift some exercise can wait ;-)

TalkinPeace2 Sun 13-Jan-13 21:14:13

fair point - I always forget to get back to the kitchen when the kettle has just boiled anyway ....

as a confirmed meat eater I'm going to suggest something really heretical.
Go veggie for a bit.
LOTS AND LOTS of soups and stews
separate the full feeling in your tummy from calorie overload - one weeks tops.
No snacks, no junk food.
Set a start and finish date and then go back to normal for a week and then try 5:2

you have to learn to accept that a rumbly tummy is not bad for you.
and to separate thirst from hunger
it takes time
but when it works, it really does

there is NO average.
For my height and weight and age, if I was not active, my TDEE is 1600
to stay alive I only need 1200 ....

frenchfancy Sun 13-Jan-13 21:21:13

vix The only thing I can really suggest is that you do a food diary/food log for a couple of weeks. you need to be 100% honest and log everything that goes in your mouth. Then you will be able to see where the problem lies.

If on feed days you are permanently hungry I recommend starting to eat as late as is possible. The hunger pangs die down if you don't eat, once you eat something, or even taste something they get worse.

frenchfancy Sun 13-Jan-13 21:23:51

Oh and I agree with TIP about going veggie on fast days.

debbie yes you can lose weight without exercising. just make sure you are honest about your TDEE.

Flojobunny Sun 13-Jan-13 22:20:45

Well today fasting day didn't happen, instead I ate a load of chocolate though I did resist the urge to cook a big pan of pasta, that took some will power.
I didn't Shred either as I didn't feel up to it. A bit put off after yesterday and I hate star jumps, worry about the possibility of pelvic floor incidents as it happened once in gym class, not good blush

Flojobunny Sun 13-Jan-13 22:25:16

As for 'to stay alive' my GP told me last week when I fasted for 10 days (from flu, not choice, might I add!), I asked him how long I could continue not to eat before it caused problems and he said aside from the fatigue so long as I drink lots and lots of fluids I'd be fine hmm
I'm guessing he must have looked at my excess fat and thought another few days ill won't do any harm.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 13-Jan-13 22:28:43

By "staying alive" TIP means the basic calories your body needs to maintain its current weight if you were literally not moving at all, or in a coma. I've no doubt I could fast an age and still be alive grin. Dehydration is the bigger concern, your GP is right.

lottie63 Sun 13-Jan-13 23:16:56

Do you think it matters if 500 cals aren't absolutely stuck to? Today was my fast day and I guesstimated I've eaten about 700 or so.

virginposter Sun 13-Jan-13 23:34:40

vix may I suggest that it is 'normal' to keep thinking of food on a fast day when you are at the beginning of becoming a 5:2er. The more fasts you get through the less you think about food. Also try to be away from food and eateries on your fast days and keep very very busy.
A lot of us on here have very clean homes and tidy drawers and cupboards!
Try 3 small meals a day if you can't manage waiting until dinner and then once you are used to that, try missing breakfast and just having lunch and dinner. A lot of us progressed this way slowly and struggled along the way too. Also some had more than 500 cals (possibly 700) to start with and then dropped slowly down to 500.
Maybe you are trying to do too much too quickly. We are all different and have to learn by listening to our bodies.
As for how much to eat on non-fast days, follow the excellent advice given above by all the regulars and read as many of these threads as possible as they are a mine of helpful information.
Those of us who struggle to eat enough on eating days have been doing this for many many months and have found that our appetites have naturally decreased and we either feel fuller quicker or find that we don't need breakfast as we are genuinely not hungry.
This doesn't happen overnight, we were like you at the beginning. Try again, think positively and eventually you will find your way.
Good luck smile

virginposter Sun 13-Jan-13 23:36:13

lottie seem like I just answered your questions in my message to vix wink

Breadandwine Mon 14-Jan-13 01:10:22

Horrifying film here on the dangers of fructose. Called 'Sugar: The bitter truth', it's full of absolutely shocking facts:


This led me to another series of short films 'The Skinny on Obesity' by the same team from UCLA:


I've just watched the first one and, along with other diseases, it mentions some of the causes of PCOS - so Deuces and Sticky you'll no doubt be interested!

lottie63 Mon 14-Jan-13 01:14:31

Thanks virginsmile

ZeldaForever Mon 14-Jan-13 01:30:39

hi again all! I've just completed my first week on this plan, and I feel I have done well, managed both fast days and stayed a little under maintenance calories the rest of the days. However, today I have really been hungry. It's a feed day, and I am already at my limit I set, but I am feeling a bit empty. I tried to get in as much good stuff as I could, i had fruit and veg, and also some treats that I had been craving to get them over before tomorrow, but, still feeling a little hungry, not horrible, but somewhat annoying.
Is that normal? A bit unnerving with a fast day tomorrow. I was hoping to not have to deal with this until then!

Ezzza Mon 14-Jan-13 02:38:38

Re calories in milk used in tea: as aftereights said yesterday, if you’re not sure how many to count, why not have a milk allowance? When I first went on a calorie restrictive diet I measured out 100ml milk each day and only used that measured out portion to go in my tea. That way I knew I wasn’t going over 50 kcal each day for tea.

Now though I don’t bother measuring calories in tea. I take my tea with only just enough milk to make the tea opaque (because I like it that way, not because I want to reduce kcals) and no sugar. I only get a pint of milk every 10 days or so (I keep my fridge very cold so it stays fresh) so I know the kcals in my tea are so few it’s not worth counting them. Of course others may take much more milk in theirs. A previous housemate of mine takes so much milk in her tea that it’s practically a tea latte. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was drinking a whole pint of milk a day in tea alone! In her case counting the calories would definitely be necessary on this WOE.

SunnySideOptimist Mon 14-Jan-13 05:17:01

Just wanted to thank everyone here for all the info and the support. I've been reading the list for the past 10 days or so and finally dove into the diet last week. I decided to blog about it at http://sunnys52diet.blogspot.com/ - mostly to keep myself honest! I live in the USA and there is not much going on here re the 5:2 diet but I imagine it's only a matter of time. So far, so good for me: after 7 days of the 5:2 plan I've lost 3 lbs. Feels great! Thank you all again for all the great information and lively conversation. smile

Sorry to but in but read about the health benefits of this in the Times yesterday after poo pooing it as another fad and am intrigued. Mainly because I hold weight around my middle and nothing other than extreme exercise seems to shift it and I'm just too old and crabby to shred every night or run 8k each night. It makes me lose my love for exercising if it feels like something I have to do.

Basically as long as I only consume 500 calories between 8pm tonight and 8pm tomorrow that would be my first fast day over right?

Oh waitrose do a lovely chunky beef and vegetable soup which is really lovely and filling and is only 188 calories.

Sorry you can see I haven't read all of the threads. I'll do that tonight to stop me eating! If I made soup, like a huge vat of it, how would I tell how many calories are in it?

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 06:09:45

My coffee's getting like that (should set up parallel "how to deal with caffeine-stained teeth thread"!)

With VP on the hunger, its totally normally to feel the pangs- i always wake up ravenous but then by the time I've had some water, pottered around and had my coffee, it feels far less urgent.
I notice it, accept it and then get busy with the day then generally find a bit later am not hungry at all any more! Doesn't always work, of course, but generally helps.

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 06:16:51

Welcome, MC, tons of info on here. Different ways to do it but typically for a woman wd be 500 calories (or 25% of your total daily energy expenditure , TDEE) on a fast day. So starting from when you wake up, this is your allowance for all today (not just till 8pm if you last ate 8pm last night, sorry!) Tomorrow would be a normal day. However, quite possible to vary it so you could do your own version or incrementally reduce yo 500calories so doing 700 today, for example.

frenchfancy Mon 14-Jan-13 06:35:51

Zelda I'm nearly always hungrier on a feed day than I am on a fast day. Once I start eating my body doesn't want to stop. As long as I don't start I'm fine.

Madame Salbertina is right, if your fast day is Monday then your 500 cals are for the whole day, you eat normally again on Tuesday morning.

Bordercollielover Mon 14-Jan-13 07:22:21

Zelda fruit can make some people very hungry owing to the high sugar content and subsequent effects on blood sugar.

Bordercollielover Mon 14-Jan-13 07:48:55

Vix. I agree with TiP about going veggie ( I am one anyway!). I used to be in a similar state to the one you describe and I found the first step I needed to take was to also reduce grain based foods for a week or two before starting as , for me, they were actually the cause of the overeating cycle.
I suggest this for a week: free range eggs for breakfast, a BIG veg soup or VEG something for lunch, a HUGE salad with everything in it including some nuts and seeds for dinner. No snacks. In the next week skip breakfast 2 days a week and in the third week skip breakfast AND lunch 2 days then after that check on the calories in the evening meal.
After I had got going on 5:2 for a week or two I found that the overeating thing just sorted itself out without conscious effort on my part but I really had to get off the grains first. beans and lentils are a good substitute too.
Now I can eat bread and toast on eating days without problem, in the past I would eat a slice and then the rest of the loaf like a compulsion.
Good luck

niki3108 Mon 14-Jan-13 08:20:09

4th fast day. got to sort mmyself out. fasting one day does not mean I can pig out the rest of the time. not if I want to lose weight!

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 08:29:34

I find if I eat a big bowl of veg I feel satisfied for about 60mins and then I'm starving, going veggie on fast days does not work for me as i need a good element of protein to satisfy me for longer. Often veggie food can be quite carby too, many people find carbs make them hungrier. It's whatever works for you. Bearing in mind Dr M suggested not consuming more than 60g of protein but I never get anywhere near that.
Saying that I'm on a fast day and making an egg curry tonight. grin

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 08:34:01

Agree, Snowkey, protein much more filling...low carb the way to go. However, volume also helps so soup great idea

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 08:39:26

Absolutely Salberta, I have lots of veg for bulking up and making the meal look big but the protein element is essential for me.

vix0306 Mon 14-Jan-13 08:40:49

Thanks everyone for your advice and support. Im definitely going to follow the advice of starting slowly and hopefully it will get easier. I know that we are all different and many of you have been doing this a while so it has got easier but could anyone share what they eat as a plan on non-fasting days ( I can't find a lot on this- probably looking in wrong place). I think it would help me to have a plan rather than just thinking 'I can what whatever I like'. It's definitely true that once I start eating I can't stop. But it must be important to try eat enough (and balanced) on non-fast days so we get all the nutrients we need and I have to start eating at some point. Also with having a young daughter I'm conscious that I don't want her to see me skipping meals all the time.

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 08:45:01

just popping into say hello.. just at the end of another fast which went fine as I was driving and helping my DS move for most of it so didn't feel at all hungry .
good to see so many new posters ..

Popping in too, just not enough time to keep up but glad to see the Times article on Sunday, it's everywhere now isn't it? Thankfully mum and dad are sticking to it better while I'm visiting them than they managed to when they visited me, though they only do 5:2 and I'm craving that third day again. When I head home in 3 weeks it's back to 4:3 and getting some exercises in too.

I'm going to have to have a week off next week as I'm in London catching up with so many people, food wont be an issue but drinking will!

Sunnysideoptimist I'm normally in USA too, whereabouts are you? In LA thes not been any talk of it really, but I do know a few people there who've had a full fast day, or a juice only day, every week for a few years

virginposter Mon 14-Jan-13 09:04:58

Another 1.5 lbs lost this week on 5:2 grin

lottie63 Mon 14-Jan-13 09:08:59

Does anyone have any idea how many cals a bacon sandwhich might be ( say, 2 rashes of lean bacon, 2 slices bread, thin spread of marg)? I ve looked at MFP but there's such a variation in how people post its calorific value.

Vix I initially worried about the effect of the chilen not seeing me eat would have, so I normally fast on days when DS is at preschool, but also as I tend to have my calories spread over two meals, I'll eat with them still....and have worked out a few recipes as well which means we can eat more or less the same thing too (there's loaded with cheese and carbs!)...we usually do family dinner on Wednesday's when DH comes home early, most Wednesdays I like to fast but as DS is at preschool I just put off food til dinner (hoping baby DD doesn't take too much notice) and do something again we can all eat but keeps me under 500kcal. (fish and tons of veg for example)

You'll gradually find the ways of making it work AND showing a healthy attitude towards food for your DD

Ugh theirs, not there's....that's the iPad being thick, not me!

cardiffmummy Mon 14-Jan-13 09:16:13

End of week 1 and have lost 4lb! Had a great "feast" weekend - ate sensibly(ish) but didn't feel I was depriving myself (bagels -yum!!), so quite pleased with this result. So back on a fast day today but actually feel "ready" for it if that makes sense. Hope you all have a good day, whether feasting or fasting.

Ezzza Mon 14-Jan-13 09:47:30

MadameCastafiore, re how to count calories when making big vats of food such as soup: what I usually do is weight absolutely everything (veg included) as I’m going along and make a note. Then, as the soup/chilli/curry is cooking away I work out the total calories in the entire batch using either the nutritional information on the packets or my Collins Gem calorie guide book (you can also google most things to get their calorie content or use one of the websites for calorie counting). Lastly I portion everything up for the freezer and divide the total number of calories by the number of portions. If that last step isn’t practical, such as when I’m entertaining guests and I can’t portion the batch up then before I start cooking I weigh the pan so that once I’ve finished cooking I can easily work out the number of calories per 100g. Hope that helps.

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 10:02:47

Just found this thread. I've been thinking about trying 5:2 for a while, although I'm a little nervous about the whole idea, not least because I started a very full on new job 4 weeks ago and I'm worried I'll end up thinking about food constantly on fast days!

DH was a bit hmm when I mentioned possibly doing this to him a few weeks back, but dc3 is 2.5 and I've still got the same 7lbs to shift that have been sitting on my middle since she was 8 months old. I'll go down 2 or 3 lbs on a good week, then straight back up again, and the new job is making it almost impossible to find exercise time.

I'm working from home today, so I think I might make this Day 1 and see how it goes. Wish me luck grin

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 10:14:08

Hi there . I know there are a few people here who have difficulty getting out to exercise (especially now we may have snow). Also some people here who may be new to exercise , dont want to do the jumping and twisting that things like Zumba have and want start exercising in a safe way . if so, I thought this might be useful

I've just been posted a link to a some programmes on You tube called 'Walk at home' with Leslie Sansome.. (she has a website also the vids are on you tuvbe for free)

Its a series of classes on several videos on there at all at different levels
doing cardio walks equivalent to mile upwards..(to about 5 miles i think) Not too gruelling (and probably not intensive enough for those used to doing Shred etc ) ..but another thing to add to the repertoire I think especially as you can do the more intense ones in small intervals i.e one or 2 miles at a time.

Heres link to one of thestarter and longer classes

Bordercollielover Mon 14-Jan-13 10:18:04

RE veg, I agree with the posters above about veg not being satisfying. There was some recent research which also showed that veg does not bring lasting satiety. As a lifelong vegetarian who became obese until finding this WOL, I find that a mix of veg and protein is best for me. I don't worry over much about plant based fats . What is very significant for me, though not for everyone, is to keep fruit to a minimum and initially to cut out grains . Both this seemed to cause blood sugar havoc followed by overeating. After 6 months of 5:2 neither is a problem any more.
It really does all vary with individuals and sometimes trying a new variation brings surprising enlightenment!

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 10:47:02

bordercollielover I agree (jumping on the bandwagon of this debate a bit late). I'm not a veggie though do tend to eat a mainly veg based diet .

There does seem to be some confusion echoed in Dr Ms book about whether its better to have low or higher protein on fast day ..Prof Lungo recommends low protein plant based . Dr Varady seems to suggest it doesn't matter. but Dr M now eats higher protein on fast days it seems despite there being a reference to lower protein in his book . (and so do I).

However what does seem to be pertinent to not experiencing hunger high and lows on fast days if not eating grain and other carb based foods and fruits as these will affect your insulin levels more.. . Of course there's no restriction, people can eat what they like as long as they stay within the 500 or 600 cals , but those of use who have been at this some months now seem to agree that protein and veggies are the way to go/

I'm one of those who have doggedly stuck to 2 meals a day right from the start and have lost really well . was harder at first but now not so and as if you are new to this WOE you go on you will get used to it . I now restrict my fast days to an 8 hour eating window ,to make sure i get get my 16 hrs (or more) in. Also I always have the same on fast days .. 2 eggs and thin slice of ham tomatoes or mushrooms for breakfast made into an omelette then either and fish and veggies for dinner or veggie soup.

if anyone is interested on more on carbs and diets(not extreme low carb) and also how the health evidence on diet may be flawed . I would strongly recommend you read Escape the Diet Trap by Dr John Briffa. its good about diet and the diet industry and explodes some 'myths' and at the end he talks a bit about IF (but this was written early last year) before the 5:2 thing broke. He also has a good blog

BTW this morning I was back to only 1lb off my pre christmas weight!.. smile

madlet Mon 14-Jan-13 10:48:40

Hello all. I started the 5.2 diet back in November after watching my brother lose 1.5 stones. He claims it has changed his way of eating forever. However I started it and really struggled through December - pesky Christmas! So i'm back. Today is my first fast day and so far it's going ok. I have had three cups of tea (i'm addicted), I have will have half a tin of Baxters healthy minestone soup for lunch and steamed salmon and veg for tea. I am quite looking forward to gaining some control. i'll keep you up to date.

Morning all, well lost 9lb so far of the 12 gained over Christmas after going back to 4:3, so on the way and feeling a lot better than I did when stepping on the scales on New Years day smile.

One of the strengths of this WOE/WOL is the fact that you can adapt it to what suits your body best. Having said that though one of the main principles of this WOE and the health benefits it can give, is keeping to a lowish protein regime (about 50-60g per day). Obviously refined carbohydrates don't help with insulin sensitivity or satiety at all but those advocating 'low-carb' , don't seem to be following one of the main points of the Horizon programme or the Mosely/Mimmi book.

I'm not knocking those talking about keeping sugar to the minimum 9 Bordercollie and co* ), as sugar seems to be at the route of many of our problems in the West but if you were to 'low-carb' what would you replace carbohydrates with if not Fat or protein. Vegetables are on the whole between 60-80% carb confused.

Apologies for sounding like the Carb Police again as this WOE has as its major strength it's very diverse nature but all the evidence (to date) seems to suggest that keeping protein consumption fairly low is a key to the health benefits kicking in....

AND my second rant this morning (apologies), if you want this WOE to work long term then setting unrealistically low calorie targets on your normal days will lead to success short term but can't be overly healthy and will be harder to sustain long term.

Well got that off my chest, rant over. Good luck to all today especially to all those newcomers and delurkers smile and hi sis did you get the bike out of the shed this weekend?

Hi Laska blush just seen that I cross-posted with you. There doesn't seem to be any confusion in the book, it's quite clear he recommends 64g grams per day for a male of his weight.

The plus about protein is it adds to satiety, probably why he eats a fair proportion of it (but still below what the average Westerner consumes) on a fasting day. Congrats on the weight loss smile

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 11:04:37

Bro Um...... no blushblush
List of excuses follows . 1. Was tipping down..2. I had to help DS (22) move ( he's gone miles away on mainland to try and find work and I'm feeling really sad . and 3. I have an creative writing assignment to get in .. ( 2 weeks ago .. am on last chance and still haven't quite finished it.)

So have taken to day off.. and really shouldn't be here at all ..hmm

Actually after what I just said about protein, I do agree with Cyclistist I dont to go over the 50/60g a day protein either and I dont think DR M does by what he says about his eating .. its just that I dont do refined carbs on fast days

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 11:05:48

more x posting bro !! we agree then! Good , grin

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 14-Jan-13 11:12:58

Morning all! Weighed this morning & have lost another 2lbs.

To all the new fasters, consider taking a multivitamin on fast days - I feel it helps stop the cravings (for me).


It must be hard when they fly the roost sad

...and if your creative writing is anywhere near the calibre of your posts on here then you'll breeze through smile

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 11:15:19

Veg on the whole is mostly water not carbs. Carbs are depending on veg mostly under 10% carbs. I'm not advocating any diet, I'm just saying the plants don't tend to satisfy me, I need the protein element and apart from eggs, its tricky to get that on a veggie diet with out adding masses of fat or carbs, from pulses, rice, and grain. And I don't want to eat processed soy product.

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 11:28:26

Laska42 good luck with creative writing assignment, hope you get a surge if creativity and finish it quickly!

Have only read a post or two since sat but The cyclist I like your rant, I have done low carb before and always gained an extra stone or so afterwards - also each time it gets harder to stick to. I want to avoid that this time. I was having rice with veg as my main meal which was quite filling, soup also even the ones with chicken are prob not that high in protein. beans are a filling plant based option so must be possible to do this combining the healthy plant based and filling protein methods. Still plan to eat meat weekly though and idealy would like to eat more fish.

Trying hard to fast properly for first time in a week or so. being challenged; I made dd some toast with homemade bread and butter which she wont eat and I am keeping in case she changes her mind. V difficult not to gobble it up!

Have had 2 teas and about to have my second coffee. I do def think water would be my best option but haven't managed that so far, if the body needs a break from processing food it prob also needs a break from caffine but so hard to do!

Good fating or eating today 5:2 ers!

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 11:29:02

Oh no not good fating blush the opposite grin

Apologies Snowkey I wasn't referring to your post, in fact you seemed to be saying that you followed a lowish protein diet anyway (below 60g).

Of the calories though in carrots 80% are made up of carbohydrates, in cabbage 55% carbs and cucumber 60%. So my point is that veg is basically a highish carbohydrate food, one of the reasons I find all the high protein Atkins like diets so worringly bad for long term good health. Apologies again if you felt I was referring to your post...

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 11:38:39

Depends how you low-carb, am not an Atkins advocate, rather John Briffa (Escape the diet trap, who also recommends intermittent fasting at times).
I have lots of veg but the lower carb options of salad greens, mushrooms etc hardly ever carrots, sweetcorn etc

MisoIsMyFriend Mon 14-Jan-13 11:49:09

Morning! Just marking my place as the thread is moving so quickly, I'm struggling to keep up!
Had bizarre weekend. Put on 3lbs between Friday night and Saturday morning!!! I'm hoping it's TOM related but if it's water retention, I'd have thought it would have shown up on the scales as water percentage. But they're not that accurate are they, these scales? Alternatively it could have been sampling the home-baking I was doing for a coffee morning on Saturday. Although I did donate a large amount so I wouldn't have eaten that much, surely! wink
A fast day for me here, and have been for a run so feeling positive grin

Breadandwine Mon 14-Jan-13 12:09:03

Personally I find veg very satiating! A plate of veg curry coming in at less than 200 calories leaves me absolutely stuffed - and, if necessary, that'll last me until bedtime. However, I always weaken and use the rest of my calories on fripperies - if wine and beer can be described as such! smile

I don't purposefully count my protein intake - I read somewhere that you should have less than .8g of protein for each kg you weigh (I'll find the link). Which would give me a daily allowance of 48g of protein. I'm pretty sure I don't have that much. However, there are others who say that .8g is too much - once again I'll find the link.

Talking about stuffed mushrooms, as we were upthread, I had them for dinner last night and they came in at 247 calories for two field mushrooms - stuffed with mushroom pate and vegan pesto. Simply gorgeous! I'll put the recipe on the recipe thread.

Just read your post, Cyclist and I wonder where you're getting your info from? I've just looked at the carbs for cabbage and carrots and it comes in at 3.2 and 5.7 respectively - and cucumber is 3.63. Vegetables are extremely low carb, IMO!

Didn't finish dinner last night until 7pm - blooming pudding! - so 7 hours to go for the 24 I generally aim for. Not in the slightest bit hungry - had a mug of warm water, so far - but time does go slow when you're clock-watching! grin

Chestnutx3 Mon 14-Jan-13 12:09:08

Starting my fast - week 2 (second time trying to do it). Lost nothing the first week, may even by half a pound up. Did not pig out at all, probably ate a bit less than normal plus more exercise. I gave up after week 2 last autumn as I lost no weight.

I did lose 4lbs before christmas eating in a 8 hour window most days - I'm not sure I would get the same health benefits.

I'm at the top end of BMI and would like to lose at least half a stone to fit into my clothes. I will give it a month this time.

Are there people it doesn't work for? Is it because I'm a woman over 40? A former anorexic? I just don't know.

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 12:16:15

Chestnut, do your clothes feel any looser?? If you're exercising, you may be gaining muscle which obv weights more than fat...

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 12:18:45

No problem thecyclist I tend not to eat grains & sugar, grains once a month, I have potatoes once a week - homemade chips to accompany a steak, maybe pulses once a week, had very nice chilli tomato chickpeas for my dinner on Saturday . I added a couple of teaspoons of sugar and some pomegranate molasses to a sauce last night and I don't limit my veg intake at all - what I eat is still a low carb diet....it's not a zero carb diet (not even Atkins is zero carb) and it doesn't slavishly follow any one person's idea of a diet. If I eat more carbs than this I start to have food cravings especially for starchy and sugary foods. It's a diet that suits me and my lifestyle, many people don't enjoy low carb, I don't enjoy low fat diets or processed food...I eat low fat on a fast days but the flavour of my food suffers. sad

We all have to look for diets that suit our food culture and bodies. smile

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 12:23:06

chestnut it seems to work better for men. Did you just weigh on the first and last day of the week or everyday? Quite a few people have mentioned that a weekly weigh in can give false results if the initial weigh in is the lowest weight fluctuation of the day and the second weigh in ia at the heighest weight fluctuation of the day so daily weigh ins can be useful. Also drinking 8 glasses of water can help to give better weigh in results apparently maybe because it prevents constipation (I am atea drinker so find this a chore but worth a try)?

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 12:25:05

8 glasses of water a day that is, not 8 glasses before stepping on the scales that would prob have the opposite result!

Hi * B&W* I've put the link below, I take the stats from the pie chart showing the distribution of nutrients by % per calorie value.


Those links you posted in the early hours (do you ever sleep smile ) were very interesting, cheers.

Bordercollielover Mon 14-Jan-13 12:42:06

Snowkey, I think I eat a vegetarian version of what you eat. After a lot of research before this WOL and discovering John Briffa about a year ago I finally made the , to me astonishing, discovery that fruit sugar and grain based foods were the cause of my overeating and obesity. Previously I had thought it was only refined sugar and grains which were my problem . Not so . Big revelation for me.

cardiffmummy Mon 14-Jan-13 13:06:19

Good luck Fillybuster - if you have a busy job you'll probably find it quite easy as you can distract yourself. I'm only on week two but have done my fast days when I know I'll be fairly busy and they've gone surprisingly quickly.

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 13:18:07

Is your veg curry recipe available somewhere please BreadandWine ?

I've spent the past 4 hours thinking about food (and reading this thread) when I should have been working - the odd thing is that I don't normally eat breakfast anyway....hmm Although I'm developing a tea-withdrawal headache (lots of lemon and hot water so far)...time for some black tea and lemon soon.

wrt the chai discussion downthread, I've got a bit of a herbal tea collection....the best 'real' chai is the black tea dragonfly version, and their roibois (redbush) chai, which is caffeine free, is excellent too, but I've had to order direct from their website the last few years as very few places seem to stock them (Fresh and Wild do somethimes). Celestial Seasoning do a great range of different chai-style caffeine-free teabags - the Bengal Spice is especially nice. The best thing about these ones (and the redbush chai) is that you don't feel you're missing out by not adding milk.

I'm thinking about a tin of Waitrose Love Life veg soup for lunch (or porridge), and maybe some oven baked salmon and a lot of veg for dinner tonight. How do I find out how big a piece of fish I can eat, for example?

Sorry for asking stupid questions...

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:22:08

BCL Briffa has a v sensible approach. Thing is many will argue that they can eat wheat and sugar and not gain or have food cravings, which I am not doubting in the slightest - I am slightly envious of them envy But control over sugar is not something I have ever found easy until I eliminated wheat and sugar and now I can have pudding when we eat out but any more frequently than once or twice a month and the cravings start again and I have to go cold turkey until I can get a grip again.

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:26:15

Snowkey are any grains acceptable with Briffa or is it mainly wheat. I know I lose weight when I cut out bread but don't have the will power to do it for long, TBH that's why I want this woe to work so I can still eat cake and toast sometimes.

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:45:00

Sorry pookey I can't remember that much detail and I got the book from the library to read last year, someone else will hopefully be able to help. Oats I don't think are see in the same light as wheat. I believe oats have a more positive effect on blood sugar levels in that they don't cause it to spike as much as wheat. I don't tend to eat them....but I feel very positive about my dcs eating porridge, mind you they add far to much maple syrup...hmm

I have given up bread before in an effort to control my weight and i found that in itself helped because bread is just just too convenient and too easy to eat. When you have to prepare your meals & snacks from scratch, the effort involved will often put me off eating.

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:51:47

Thanks snookey, what kind of family meals do you eat (i am on a budget and children are 2, 5 and 7 - a bag of dry pasta from sainsburys is about 40p - add some grated cheese and peas and it's a rare meal we all eat without complaint )

pookey Mon 14-Jan-13 13:53:31

I agree btw snookey bread is too easy, my ds doesn't even like homemade which is a little more filling, he likes the 'flat' bread from the shops!

Ezzza Mon 14-Jan-13 14:19:26

Just catching up on posts below and saw the Vegetables: High or Low in Carbs? debate up thread.

It would be correct to say both, depending on how you look at the numbers. For example, it is correct to say that carrots are 9.6% carbohydrates. It is also correct to say that carrots are 91.4% carbohydrates. How come? confused It depends if you are talking about percentage of weight or percentage of calories.

100g of carrot has 42 kcal and 9.6g carbohydrates.

As a percentage of weight the calculation is 9.6g/100g=0.096, so 9.6%.

As a percentage of calories the calculation is different. 1g of carbohydrate is roughly 4 kcal, so the calculation is (9.6x4)kcal/42kcal=0.914, so 91.4%.

I think thecyclistist was referring to percentage of calories from carbs rather than percentage of carbs by weight.

… any wonder it's said there are lies, damned lies and statistics? grin

(Source links: Carrot nutritional info http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-carrots-i11124?size_grams=50.0 and calories in a gram of carbs http://www.livestrong.com/article/81042-calculate-percentage-calories-fat-carbohydrate/)

NatashaMousse Mon 14-Jan-13 14:31:43

Chestnut and others who haven't lost weight in the first week or so, it's been reported that due to metabolic differences some people take 3 weeks or more before they see the first bit of weight come off. But the loss process does kick in eventually. I think this info came from the "5 diet" website - that's the plan where one eats only during a 5-hour window. Sorry, I don't have a link. It was something I came across while browsing around the GettingStronger website and reading comments. Be persistent, be patient.

Re miso: TIP's recipe (several pages ago) is good. I would also suggest adding soy sauce, rice vinegar and a few drops of sesame oil, which make the soup really rich tasting for very few extra calories.

B&W, earlier I left a comment on the T&T thread thanking you for the video links. (I strongly recommend watching.) At the moment, though, I could almost curse you for talking about your curry and those scrumptious mushrooms. I'm at the hungriest patch in my 32-hour water fast and the visions of veggie-stuffed mushrooms are driving me mad.

A lot of pages upthread someone asked about 6:1 for maintenance. That's what I've been doing and it's working well. Being a lightweight, I started the fasting solely for the health benefits. I've had to increase my previously normal eating to make up for the missed calories. Sometime down the road I may cut back to a 24-hour fast or have a go at the 8-hour window a few times a week instead. For now I think a weekly one-day water fast is more likely to help deal with an assortment of minor complaints. For sure it's improved my energy and digestion and overall sense of well-being.

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 15:08:20

I need some reassurance please (sorry to be one of those needy newbies....) - I was doing ok(ish) until I had a 196kcal bowl of soup at 2.30pm with a handful of plain spinach leaves. Now I'm so hungry, I can't imagine how I'm going to make it through to midnight tonight on just a small piece of salmon and some green beans. I've drunk more herbal tea so far today than in the previous 3 weeks combined....help!

ErikNorseman Mon 14-Jan-13 15:12:00

Filly, I'm sure you can make it through today. A bit of anecdotal advice - it's much easier to fast all day and eat a proper meal in the evening, than eat early (seems to open the appetite and dull the focus) and then have fewer cals left for dinner. That's only my experience.

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 15:23:01

Thanks for the support. You're probably right - but I can't make it through a full time job plus 3 dcs homework & bedtmie on an empty stomach....I get too lightheaded and grumpy!

Problem is now, as you say, I've opened my appetite up and I'm staring down the barrel of 300 kcals from now until bedtime.

At this stage my commitment is wavering fast....there's a voice in my head suggesting that if I just stick to 1000-1200kcals a day, every day, that will do the trick shock

I think it would be easier if there was any chance of my dh being remotely supportive when he gets home!

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 15:24:37

Pookey I have kids who'll eat most things and my budget isn't terribly limited, so my menus would probably not be much use to you. I can post them if you want though. smile

Briffa suggested not putting kids on low carb - he suggested potatoes were probably the best carb for them, so I tend to give them all the varieties of potatoes - chips, roasties, rostis, mash. Also tougher cuts of meat, cheap and tasty when slowly cooked. Eggs - we go through dozens. We eat loads of curries & stews. Loads of soups with double cream to thicken. They get pasta once a week, usually on a fast day - it's a favourite! smile

mistlethrush Mon 14-Jan-13 15:26:02

Can I add in a lunch suggestion for fasting days? I'm taking some button mushrooms and a piece of lemon grass into work, with a small box with stock powder. At lunchtime I split the lemongrass in half and put it and the stock powder at the bottom of a bowl, chop over the mushrooms, then add a little chilli and ginger (jar in the fridge) and sometimes remember to take a clove of garlic. I put in a little hot water, then cook for 4 mins in the microwave (covered). I top up with more boiling water and season with soy sauce.

Its got lots of flavour, even if its lacking in calories.

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 15:28:48

Filly- does it help to think you can eat what you want tomorrow, not strict 1200 cals? What wd you like tomorrow??
Have some fizzy water and a nice, relaxing bath when you get home

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 15:38:09

I wonder if my personal challenge is more to do with understanding the how rather than the what of eating? I don't often eat much over 1600kcal/day anyway, so the promise of 'jam tomorrow' doesn't really cut it - and I'm a healthy food/cook from scratch kind of girl most of the time anyway. But I don't like feeling quite this limited, and I suspect its more psychological than actual (ok, I am hungry, but I frequently don't eat more than a bowl of soup before 9pm and it doesn't normally bother me). Hmm...interesting, anyway smile I'm clearly far far too focussed on food....

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 15:42:12

Filly if you only eat 1600kcal a day you can't be overweight - are you doing this for health reasons only?

cardiffmummy Mon 14-Jan-13 15:43:17

Struggling for the first time today (4th fast). Have had several drinks and just had a bowl of soup. But feeling a little light headed, tired and "spaced out". Just having a cup of tea in the hope that a bit of caffeine might make me feel better. Am supposed to be going to the gym in a couple of hours - first time I've tried exercising on a fast day - bit worried I'm going to fall off the treadmill!!

virginposter Mon 14-Jan-13 15:44:26

filly I also had salmon and veg as my very first fast dinner and found that it wasn't very filling as the salmon is high in calories.
Perhaps you could leave the salmon till tomorrow and add more veg and make a lovely filling veg soup?
Or failing that, increase your calories to 700 for today and then you can have a decent meal. Lots of 5:2ers have sometimes gone up to 700 cals on a fast day - we're only human wink

Peggy69 Mon 14-Jan-13 15:45:59

Hi all, new to this and been reading (all day...at work!) other's experiences on the 5:2. I started last Friday on a 4:3 plan.....so far so good. Not finding the fast days too difficult (on my second one today) - think not eating until the evening meal will definitely work for me as breakfast tends to make me hungrier. I went a bit over on Saturday/Sunday (use myfitnesspal.com to add cals), so I'll be a bit tougher on myself in future. Hoping to lose around 2lbs per week....achievable?

filly i have 2 DC's and also get grumpyand lightheaded if I don't eat so i eat twice a day, would really recommend a thick soup to fill you up, yours sounds a bit lightweight? or maybe a boiled egg.

for now have a hot drink to fill your stomach and remember that the hunger pangs go in phases, whatever you are feeling now will pass and in 2 hours it will have subsided, the feelings down't increase incrementally as the day goes on.
just think ahead to your salmon which you should eat eally slowly, savour the taste, don't wolf it down and then by the time you get your next hunger pangs it'll be so much closer to bedtime. if you need to go over then it's still early days, but remember how good you'll feel tomorrow if you do make it? and then you can have what you like.

hang on in there, you'll be fine!

virginposter Mon 14-Jan-13 15:46:45

filly our posts crossed smile

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 15:48:06

cardiffmummy go slowly at the Gym and listen to your body. I run on fast days but I always go out slow and only pick up tempo when I have the energy to do so, that way I can't talk myself out of exercising and quite often my body surprises me.

ErikNorseman Mon 14-Jan-13 16:17:00

Peggy, 2lb a week is possible if you have a lot to lose. If you are close to healthy weight then you should aim for 1-1.5.

Peggy69 Mon 14-Jan-13 16:19:37

Well, I'm 11st 8lbs (awful seeing that in black and white) and 5ft3, so would like to lose 2st. I know fast weight loss isn't great, but think when you find something that hopefully works, it's tempting to want to do as much as poss. 2lbs would be great though wink

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 16:25:48

Thanks all. Salmon is back in the freezer for a non-fast day....I hadn't realised that it was high in calories. I'll defrost some home made veg chilli tonight....its quorn mince, onion, red kidney beans, tinned tomatoes, no oil, and I freeze fairly small portions so will hopefully be ok if I just have a very small amount of rice or potato. Gosh this is hard!

My lunch soup was very chunky - beans, buckwheat and veg - and was lovely whilst it lasted but I felt terrible after....definitely psychological as I have been known to have just that (ok, and a slice of bread) for lunch on other days, and not felt consumed by hunger immediately afterwards.....smile

Snowkey - I can easily eat 2500 or more some days! I'm not overweight by any measure, I don't think....5ft 7", currently 9st 13lbs and a size 10 but much happier at 9st 7lbs. DD2 (DC3) is 2.5 and I haven't got below 9st 10lbs since she was born, even when I was excercising daily on maternity leave - now I'm working in the office full time, that option has gone out of the window! I was 9st 3lbs before conceiving ds, but only managed that by living on salad, 9st 5lbs before conceiving dd1 and 9st 7lbs before conceiving dd2. I'll settle for 9st 8 but would love to get back to 9st 7, and reckon some concerted 5:2ing plus using the xbox kinnect excercise programme dh just got me might combine to get me there....maybe...?

Iwearblack Mon 14-Jan-13 16:26:30

I'm a big fan of chewing gum to help with food cravings! Or a mug of scalding hot peppermint tea....
And as mumocnk says - the hunger pangs will ease off .....

Hi Ezzza, yes and you quoted one of my favourit sayings smile. I quoted the calorific value because veg is so high in water that the actual weight you eat is not really taken into account it's more the 'how many calories in that serving etc.

On a 'normal' day here after fasting yesterday, so fasting again tomorrow. I've got to respect those who've broken bad habits with their eating on non-fast days. For me the habits, mainly grazing, is just as bad now as before I started this. One difference though is the type of food I eat while grazing, more soup, oatmeal, or crackers or toast rather than in the past when cheese, high fat meats, choc bars or crisps would have been on the menu. I know I've got to break the unhealthy pattern of eating but at least it's not doing the same damage now as before.

Good luck Filly, hope you get through the day. I think you hit the nail on the head though when you say it's not so much a physical thing more a battle inside our heads.

shules Mon 14-Jan-13 16:48:29

Have dieted on an off for the past 30 years and the 5:2 fasting regime is the most successful and healthiest so far. I only had 5 or 6 kilos to lose and have done this very easily and steadily since September by having one bowl of bran flakes with a sprinkle of mixed seeds for lunch with tea and coffees throughout the day. I fast on Monday and Thursday and break my fast at 10.30 the next day so it is more like a 40 hour fasting session. I will be doing this for life now. No more diets!

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 14-Jan-13 17:28:36

Food cravings on fast days happen to us all. Have really felt it today maybe it's the cold but looking forward to the end of my 24 hour fast at 8pm tonight!

Nearly caved earlier as my car was skidding everywhere & I thought to myself that I 'deserved' a bar of chocolate but the thought of having to fast tomorrow when I've almost made it today was too much.

So looking forward to my stir fry!

Salbertina Mon 14-Jan-13 17:34:32

Aftereight, snap! Doing 24hrs from 8pm last night. Tougher than last week- woke up v hungry then neatly ate dinner w kids. Thank god 28 mins to go! Not that I'm counting ; )
Not advocating this necessarily my way for one of the fasts each week.

starlady Mon 14-Jan-13 17:35:27

Hi there - been doing this since November, and although I missed a fast at Christmas through socialising, today for the first time, I started a fast, and I broke it!

Am half kicking myself. I think it's a couple of reasons - the cold, the fact I have a headache + under the weather, but MAINLY - and this is the killer reasons - because usually on a sunday evening I'll have roast chicken, lots of veggies with a few potatoes - but this Sunday we had risotto. I think that starchy refined rice left my blood sugar plummeting.

So my advice for newbies is, remember to eat a good protein rich (pref low GI) meal the evening before you fast. It will make the fast a lot easier.

starlady Mon 14-Jan-13 17:38:48

Oh and I forgot to add, I broke fast horribly At 12.30 I had a wholemeal salmon sandwich + banana (OK, not so bad) then a bar of dairy milk, then a yumyum blush, then handfulls of dry cornflakes. Want supper now ....

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 17:57:18

I've had my battles with fasting, some days are bloody hard. Been doing this since August I have nearly given up a couple of times but I have a week off and then find myself returning. I know some people find it easy and look forward to fasting and that empty feeling, me - I like eating smile - fasting is a necessary evil.

Only a few more hours left for today, I have yet to eat....curry is bubbling away gently on the stove and awaiting the arrival of dh before I eat - could be 8.00pm but when it happens I'll be able to eat enough food to give me a lovely full belly.

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 18:39:06

greeneggs! Blimey mate ....over 400 messages already on this new thread . We predicted 5:2 would go mad after new year.. But once again .....Blimey shock

.. And relax smile....... Laska has her assignment submitted to tutor before the start of Uni term - which for me starts again tomorrow - ( only 2 weeks late .. Ho Hum .. but hopefully they'll accept it ) I blame you lot .. OK..well I have to blame someone eh..? wink

Lucky its a food day ( I'm back on the old 4:3 this week (Sun, Tues ,Thurs) as want to see the final 7lbs off now before I go away for a big family 50th birthday party / drinking weekend in Copenhagen at Easter, so will be fasting again tomorrow..

But tonight I'm celebrating getting my assignment in (plus drowning my sorrows at empty nest sad) with a h/m lamb kofta. hummus, salad and salsa and a glass or 2 of wine Oops!! sorry fasters .. grin

BTW who put their salmon back in the freezer? I would have had it with lots of stir fry veggies , Salmon is good slow digesting protein for a fast day ..

Btw new fasters checkout the zero calorie Shirataki noodles on Amazon.(and other places) Expensive , (and I have to say i've only ordered them once as when you get really into fasting you'll find it much easier ), but esp good when you are starting out ....

Laska42 Mon 14-Jan-13 18:50:01

Here's an observation.. ..

Like many people in Western society I was brought up to polish off all the food my plate.. i.e eat everything thats served to you, and 'if you take it dont waste it'..

I dont do that now (she says looking at the remains of the very yummy meal on her dinner plate here) I've found that finally I can eat 'normal' portions and if there's too much on my plate I simply leave it.. but truly its a revelation and something i simply didn't ever think of .* so just dont eat it if you are full* .

But after 5 months on this WOE it happens most of the time .. it may be a very small bit but there is always something left now even if its only a bit of salad and half a potato .

TalkinPeace2 Mon 14-Jan-13 18:52:38

Still fasting today.
Really could do with DH getting home so I can eat something. Lots of tea only goes so far!

kay1980 Mon 14-Jan-13 19:17:03

Hi everyone it's my first fast day today (going okay so far) but I was just wondering how many calories I should aim for on "feast" days? I have calculated my bmr on fitness pal and it said mine was 1470 but I know that is how many calories u would burn if u weren't moving all day. Should I aim for about 1600 or the full 2000 or something between that? How many do everyone else use? smile

soomcgoo Mon 14-Jan-13 19:19:58

Hi, it's my first time on mumsnet and started 5:2 today....am currently absolutely starving!! I read about the diet in sunday times and don't get the timings. I last ate at 8pm last night and have stuck to 500 cals since then. Will I start eating normally tomorrow morning or can I have a cheeky snack at 8:30pm tonight? Also, I'm still exclusively breast feeding my 5 month old baba, should I take this into account? I want to lose 3 stones

TalkinPeace2 Mon 14-Jan-13 19:37:40

Kay - look up your TDEE (link in Greeneggs OP)
soomcgoo - there are several people fasting while breast feeding - they will know. But keep your fluids up to reduce hunger.

Am stuffed.
Half a pot of Waitrose minestrone with extra cooked rice left over from the kids stirred in and a slice of bread and butter.
Now nothing till tomorrow lunch.

Bordercollielover Mon 14-Jan-13 19:41:30

Re the carbs discussion earlier today. The more I learn , the more I conclude that no single eating plan suits everyone. There seems to be a group of people whose blood sugar does not behave as it should, though are not (yet) diabetic. For them the avoidance of grain based carbs, whether refined or not, and sugars including fructose seems to be significant in weight loss. That does not necessarily mean that a "low carb" diet is suitable for everyone. The majority of people have no problem with any sort of carbs.
I am beginning also to think that a benefit of IF may be to reset some of these problems so that all foods can be eaten without trouble. Lets hope so anyway!

lottie63 Mon 14-Jan-13 19:47:14

Well, I did okay until about 6pm and then had a choc chip biccy and a two cups of tea with milk to try and warm me up and keep awake! I had a terrible night's sleep yesterday after a fast day. In fact, all fast days have resulted in very poor sleep that night. I m going to try and take a herbal sleep tablet tonight to try and retrack

chipstick10 Mon 14-Jan-13 20:08:23

Second fast day for me. I have eaten an extra 80 calories today and I could kick myself. Also I have a headache again. I think it might be because I skip breakie. I mite try and eat earlier on wed. I wish I could say I love the empty hungry feeling and I'm shock that people do actually like it. It would make this a lot easier thats for sure. Have just eaten a lovely stir fry that normally I wouldn't even entertain. Roll on Tuesday.

cardiffmummy Mon 14-Jan-13 20:12:44

Survived the gym - did mainly weights and kept off the treadmill! But surprisingly felt alot better after exercising! I felt so odd this afternoon that I nearly decided to eat something and try fasting again tomorrow - sooo glad I didn't as now its not long until breakfast and normal eating grin. Have just had a yummy Innocent Thai veg pot - 316 cals and can highly recommend!! And... still have 70 cals left - in the past that would have seemed a pittance but now seems loads!!

literarygeek Mon 14-Jan-13 20:13:06

soom, welcome. I am also exclusively bf a 5 month old, and have been doing this since beginning of November. For me, it is working - not super fast but also not too slow. With dd1 it took me much longer to lose weight, despite being healthy and active. I have lost 5kg which is not too shabby, though seem to have stuck at that loss for about a month now. Not planning on weighing again until end of jan as I'd rather not focus on the numbers for a bit. I am doing 4:3, but average between 500 and 700 on fast days- I normally play it by ear: if I'm really hungry, I have a bit more veg or a few almonds so I am getting lots of nutrients for the extra cals.

I am enjoying it in general and I, too have noticed starting to feel fuller on fewer cals. I'd recommend taking a multivitamin and mineral- esp paying attention to vit d, calcium, iron. I'm vegan so am used to being careful about ensuring I get all I need from my food but this focuses me more as I won't 'spend' my cals on useless non-food. I generally have lots of water and pukka teas, the occasional earl grey or black with soya milk, and then eat normal dinner around six with dd1 and DH.

Good luck, I hope you enjoy the flexibility and health benefits of this woe.

literarygeek Mon 14-Jan-13 20:15:21

chipstick don't kick yourself over 80 extra... Or at all! That's fine. Next time, maybe you'll do a bit less. If not, still no kicking allowed!

Fillybuster Mon 14-Jan-13 20:22:03

Laska - it was me who threw the salmon back in the freezer! I had had 200kcals for lunch, and another 50kcals mid-afternoon (after my grump on here I grabbed 4 kumquats....ate them really slowly and felt much better afterwards). Work then became incredibly busy this afternoon and I'm still at it now - so dinner seems less pressing. But how do I find out approx how many calories a piece of salmon contains? And is there some generic advice out there somewhere regarding which veg count as 'low cal' (been reading today's discussion with interest but am now clearer!) - I would assume lettuce is 'cheaper' than parsnips but don't want to mess up now smile

Sorry to sound stupid. I really want to do this, although some days I don't eat much I always end up having snack, more often than not bananas or tangerines but I realise now how high in calories they are. Especially when I can eat 5 in one sitting!

So I can eat more today. Have had 2 weetabix, 2 clementines, 2 apples and then a tin is soup. Crispy creme donut, birthday treat from nice man at work. Tonight I had home made minestrone soup topped with Parmesan and 2 small rolls. Trying to decide whether to have cup of tea and another couple of weetabix just so can get through tomorrow. But I suppose I don't need it, won't make me feel less hungry tomorrow will it!

Thanks for the tip on working out calories of soup Ezza(sorry if have name wrong am on iPhone and whiz zing up threads difficult!).

Tomorrow will not eat till lunchtime. Lots of coffee and water (I presume no low cal drinks allowed?) and will have can if soup 188 calories, an apple and a satsuma and then a yogurt for my dinner at night or maybe 2.

Does that sound about right. Will go to gym tomorrow evening too whilst family eating so not tempted then come home and straight to bed.

You lot are so bloody inspiring. Better than the moaning Minnie's at slimming world!

literarygeek Mon 14-Jan-13 20:34:18

filly weigh the salmon and look up the calories on my fitness pal.

The more watery a veg, the fewer calories- so lettuce, bean sprouts, mushrooms, cauliflower, spinach, broccoli, courgette, aubergine, okra, chard, pak choi, cabbage etc are pretty low cal. Starchier veg, like parsnips, and legumes like peas, beans etc have more. Doesn't mean you should avoid them though- you can perfectly happily incorporate them on fast days - just weigh and work out the cals. Have you looked at the recipe thread?

maniacbug Mon 14-Jan-13 20:37:04

Hello, 3rd fast day for me tomorrow and could be my greatest challenge so far: it's the only day of the week I can do my big food shop, arrghh! And DCs have specifically requested 'those chocolate brioches you got last time, mum, they were LUSH' blush envy
Just wanted to say thanks mistlethrush for soup idea, that sounds LOVELY and I will be adding mushrooms + lemongrass to the shopping list. Also thanks starlady for protein-the-night-before tip. I had veg pasta tonight and am already hungry so that does not bode well for tomorrow. Will bear that advice in mind on Weds.
Finally Iwearblack that is v. interesting - when I was a yoof I always used to find chewing gum made me hungrier, and I'm sure I remember being told that it's because masticating prepares your body for food, then it gets 'disappointed' if you don't provide it. Or I might just have made that up.
Good luck to all holding out today + fasting tomorrow...

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 20:43:42

filly you need to get a calorie counter, loads available online. Myfitnesspal is very popular and you can view it from your phone or your computer.

Cardiffmummy well done on the gym work - glad it turned out to be a positive experience.

BCL unfortunately I didn't find my love for sugar reset by fasting, I tried eating carbs and sugar over Christmas....if only! sad but that of course doesn't mean other people will not experience resetting. I eat more the day after a fast as I am usually quite hungry - ravenous in fact, especially if I have been exercising. I see it as my body working properly, it needs food!

niki3108 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:18:51

at the end of the 4th fast day! I am famished, but reckon I can go to bed in 3/4 hour! I'm watching embarrassing fat bodies! certainly giving me inspiration to lose weight and not break my fast. those poor people.

niki3108 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:23:51

wow! chap on tv lost 15 stone in 18months by sensible eating and exercise. inspiring!

Waiting2wait2wait Mon 14-Jan-13 21:34:38

Can I ask what feels like a silly question please?

Based on the calculator in the first post, my BMR is 1563, and my TDEE is 1876. That seems higher than I am expecting. On normal days, should I be trying to eat around my BMR or TDEE? (Never mind that eating well above what I should has lead me to gain weight in the first place!)

TalkinPeace2 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:36:38

so you'll be running a 2600 calorie deficit per week
and as you lose weight your TDEE will drop
and use MFP to log everything you eat and drink so you know what you are really ingesting

Aftereightsarenolongermine Mon 14-Jan-13 21:44:46

Well done to everyone who fasted on this cold day. I feel like giving myself a massive pat on the back. When I got to end of my 24 hour fast I couldn't finish my stir fry. In the old days like laska I would finish everything on my plate, now I don't. Finally listening to my body & this is what this WOE teaches you.

Waiting2wait2wait Mon 14-Jan-13 21:52:07

Thank you! Having looked at it across the week, that makes a lot more sense now! I shall see how I get on smile. Fast 2 today so a long way to go!

Waiting2wait2wait Mon 14-Jan-13 21:52:44

Opps, that didn't work! That should have been Talkin

TalkinPeace2 Mon 14-Jan-13 21:57:24

this is a long term approach. I tend do think of my calorie balance per fortnight and only count my weight on a Friday morning so I know the big scale pattern of loss.

indeed, more food getting thrown out in this house - even with the reducing portions - but as it all goes into the compost / wormery, the veg garden will benefit next season.

Mintyy Mon 14-Jan-13 22:02:55

I find on fast days that I just don't eat any of the big carbs - like bread, pasta, potatoes - because I can't afford the calories. I get most of my calories from protein (big prawns a current favourite), eggs, vegetables and salads. They are more satisfying somehow. I have just had an Innocent Veg Pot - the Mexican one, v nice - and treated myself to the tiniest grating of cheese over it. Was fine.

Tomorrow I will have bread grin!

Fast day 35 successfully completed and 4lb lost since 1st September 2012. Go me!!

literarygeek Mon 14-Jan-13 22:04:08

Did you all see that Dr Mosley is doing a MN web chat on 23rd at noon?

TalkinPeace2 Mon 14-Jan-13 22:09:29

Hey Mintyy - well done that you are heading in the right direction.

Iwearblack Mon 14-Jan-13 22:29:48

Hey we'll done mintyy! Glad the weightloss has started....
And yes maniacbug I thought that chewing prepares the stomach but I don't find it makes me hungrier .....
End of a fast day for me... Roll on toast for brekkie!

Helgicita Mon 14-Jan-13 22:43:36

Hi I'm really interested and want to give this a try, the thing that I am most worried about is not being able to sleep on fast days. I find that usually if I don't eat well enough in a day I will either lie awake with tummy rumbling or wake up in the middle of the night and 'have' to get up and eat in order to get back to sleep again.
Do others find this a problem? Or does the body adjust in time and get used to the fast days?

benbobaggins Mon 14-Jan-13 23:17:33

hello fellow fasters,

I started adf in sept and lost 20lbs, after Christmas I'm back hoping to lost another stone and that'll be me where I want to be.

First proper fast day today and found it easy, it's the only woe that I do find easy, have eaten 497 cals and ate at 5:30pm so now having a 16 hour fast so next time I eat will be after 9:30am.

looking forward to my porridge tomorrow smile

maniacbug Mon 14-Jan-13 23:22:18

Iwearblack I just Googled 'chewing gum gastric juices' <need to get a life> and amongst all the ulcer predictions was one (scientific-looking) report refuting standard medical advice not to chew gum during pre-anaesthetic fasting, which stated that it can actually improve 'gastromotility' + therefore aid digestion.
Either way, I'm glad it works for you!

Random qu: does anyone know of any acupressure points that can help with hunger pangs or cravings?

kiwigirl42 Mon 14-Jan-13 23:23:48

Fast day almost over. Have had a big bowl of porridge with mashed banana for tea and a square of lovely Lindt caramel and sea salt chocolate. Yum! Making Panettone tomorrow tho and enjoying eating a meal! I am so much less inclined to waste calories on crap though, even on normal eating days. Weird.

Snowkey Mon 14-Jan-13 23:37:38

Manicbug some people use tapping to control cravings - have a google for loads of examples of people using it to ie up diet drinks.

virginposter Mon 14-Jan-13 23:56:17

lierarygeek thanks for the heads up re Dr MM webchat - I'll be there.

Helgiceta I was exactly the same as you, worried about being hungry in bed etc so I now have all my 500 calories for dinner any time between 6.30 and 8.00pm and never have any probs sleeping or waking in the night feeling hungry.

Also re a post upthread about liking the 'hunger' feeling. I didn't used to like it when I first started but now after 5 months I do like it as it means I'm burning unwanted fat smile

Breadandwine Tue 15-Jan-13 00:16:03

My goodness, over 100 posts today (my CTL F counter only goes up to 100!). Lovely to see all the new posters - welcome one and all.

Filly, I've put my chilli non carne recipe on my blog with a veg curry variation. I shall put a selection of vegan 5:2 recipes on there eventually.

I've been absolutely fascinated by the sequence of films on sugar and obesity by Dr Robert Lustig I linked to on the Tips and Links thread. Some of it is absolutely jaw-dropping.

Basically, he's saying that High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) is in something like 80% of processed food (he's talking about the States, of course). The consumption of HFCS does not turn on leptin (the hormone which tells the brain we're no longer hungry), so people keep on eating after they're full. It's also highly addictive! And the rise in obesity over the past 30 years exactly mirrors the use of HFCS.

I urge everyone to look at these series of films, sponsored by the University of California - you'll find out, for one thing, why it has been so difficult for the overweight to lose weight. (I say 'has been', because IF is turning out to be the exception that proves the rule!)

Natasha - sorry about the mention of food! blush You'll be laughing about this tomorrow!

Ezzza thanks for that explanation - not sure I understood it properly, though! confused I've never counted carbs - counting calories and now protein is enough for me. The way I see it is that pasta, bread, rice and potatoes are to be consumed in moderation - not so with veg.

Happy fasting and feeding tomorrow, folks! smile

pookey Tue 15-Jan-13 00:16:19

Snowkey - good point potatoes are a good idea for bulking out dc's meals. Def let me know any winner main meals please! Mine protest a fair bit about healthy meals and my ds is sooooo skinny which makes it a little more complicated, actually of the 3 he is the best with veg but that wont put meat on his bones! Things I have read on here though make me think maybe its ok that he is thin (was within a healthy range for his height when I last checked, but towards the low end of healthy).

pookey Tue 15-Jan-13 00:23:02

By the way B&W I watched a lot of the first film and the thing about harlam children being given some kind of free juice by Nixon (rather than real food??) to fatten them up and make statistics on poverty look better was pretty bad. Have seen a programme on obesity in us before where it seems it can be much cheaper to buy giant supersized portions of fastfood takeaway meals (with lots of corn syrup injected in to bulk it out no doubt) than it is to buy fresh food and cook from scratch. At least here macyDs is more expensive than food prepared at home.

Ezzza Tue 15-Jan-13 02:09:34


Weigh day today and I've lost 2lb this week!

Weight loss had slowed right down so I changed things up a bit (cut out booze for January and making a point of going the other side of the river - which involves much walking - at least twice a week) and it seems to have worked. Though I think I'll only really believe it if I lose again next week.

So now I'm half way to my weight loss goal: 1st8 gone, 1st8 to go!

MadameCastafiore I tried cutting out low-cal drinks in favour of water and tea, but I found I wasnt drinking enough and was getting dehydration headaches everyday. I really don't like drinking water unless there's a flavour in it. So I've gone back to the diet coke again, just trying to drink tea and water as well. I think it's ok to drink low-cal drinks on fast days if your focus is weight loss, but maybe cut back on them if your focus is health as there's evidence that artificial sweeteners aren't good for you.

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 15-Jan-13 06:03:05

helgicita as virgin said eat as late as possible to stop the stomach rumblings.

b&w I think the bbc did a programme about high fructose sugar called men made us fat. But don't quote me on it!

Looking forward to my gluten free toast & marmite for breakfast after yesterday's fast.

Salbertina Tue 15-Jan-13 06:09:07

Just had flaxseed toast and coffee, lovely grin
Sleep sufferers- magnesium supplement 30mins before bed can really help

Read Lustig et al, v convinced, scandal how low-fat as opposed to low-sugar bandwagon got leapt upon- mainly to keep US sugar companies/farmers profits healthy. And this fed into public health messages also sad inc here in UK

Snowkey Tue 15-Jan-13 06:29:27

pookey my kids are very skinny too, but they eat well and are rarely ill, so I take that as a good sign. I'd be more concerned if they were chubby or ill all the time.
You could try wholemeal pasta - when bathed in a sauce they don't notice the difference. Brown rice too is readily accepted. Homemade wholemeal bread is almost tolerated, they'd much prefer white bread. I mix up plain flour with wholemeal for cakes and pancakes - I did a little to begin with, they didn't notice and gradually upped the quantities.

Snowkey Tue 15-Jan-13 06:46:35

Pookey - roast dinners are great for kids - I buy a chicken, roast it, we have dinner, I then strip the meat from the bones - make a curry of some some, then I take the bones and crush them down a little put them in the freezer until I have 3 carcasses, and then I boil it up to make stock, it's so easy...just takes 5 mins.
Although we are not on a tight budget, i try my best not to waste good food, kids are encouraged to only take as much food as they think they will eat, they can always have seconds. Leftovers either go into their lunch box, the freezer or my lunch if its not a fast day.

Bordercollielover Tue 15-Jan-13 07:38:58

BandW and After8s. There was a series of 3 TV documentaries last year called The Men Who Made Us Fat. They were about HFCS, Wheat and I think the last one was Snacking. VERY interesting, very shocking and worth seeing if they are to be found.

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Tue 15-Jan-13 07:57:08

Fast day yesterday, enjoyed my porridge this morning grin Whoever it was said about the Innocent pots, I'd agree with that - we had the Thai veggie one and the dhal one last night and they were great fro only 320-odd cals. Lots of flavour (and spice!) and also textures, for a satisfying mouth feel (that sounds icky but I believe it's what they call it!!)

Question: most of you on here have posted (exasperatedly...) that the men in your lives have lost weight faster than the women. It seems to be the other way round with us, although DH has a lot more to lose than me. I don't think he is cheating on the fast days is he hugely overeating on the feed days?? He's completely not into counting calories - one reason IF appealed, you just don't eat! - so I'm at a bit of a loss... confused

Aftereightsarenolongermine Tue 15-Jan-13 08:06:14

Yes border I remember now how horrified I was watching it. Had boiled egg for breakfast - before this WOE I hated boiled eggs & only ate fried. Now I find fried eggs to heavy. Strange how this woe changes taste buds.

sarah I now weigh less than dh, by 1lb! His loss seems to have slowed a little - probably as he is away a lot & has work lunches & dinners.

lottie63 Tue 15-Jan-13 08:12:45

Oh I m now getting this thing all mixed up lol. Yesterday wasnt going to be a fast day so I treated myself to a bacon buttie but then just didnt feel hungry all day so thought I d seize the opportunity to make it one. By nightime though, I d gone over 500 cals by about 200. So the question is, do I fast today or not? Would you define yesterday as a (somewhat lapsed) fast? Funnily enough, I don t feel hungry this morning either and feel I might manage a fast day today and just eat normally tomoro. Will be busy today so that might work..I m rambling aren't I? ... perhaps I need some sugar lol

Daddy73 Tue 15-Jan-13 08:23:31

Hello all,
Looking for some inspiration toady. First day of my 5:2 diet. Just had my scrambled eggs on toast. Dreading the rest of the day. I'm a serial snacker. Already looking forward to some strawberrys this afternoon.

niki3108 Tue 15-Jan-13 08:36:49

I've been doing 5:2 since 4 th Jan. yesterday was 4th fast day. weighed this morning and I've lost exactly 7lb. that's in less than 2 weeks! very chuffed. I know a lot is water but even so! I haven't exactly watched what I eat on non fast days. that's the next step - with exercise! 2 and a half stone to go!

niki3108 Tue 15-Jan-13 08:45:23

daddy73 - try not to think about it! every time you fancy a snack, drink something. I find hunger passes after a while but starts up again if I eat something. I hAve been skipping breakfast, homemade soup for lunch 100kcal. I find a cup of bovril about 3pm keeps me going till tea. best tips I picked up from this as site was don't eat fruit on as fast day - and eat as late at night as possible so you don't go to bed hungry and drink loads. and if you really want something - remember you can have it tomorrow
good luck!

virginposter Tue 15-Jan-13 09:09:42

lottie I would class yesterday as a fast day. Try for today too if you feel you can manage it but if you can't stick to 500 today and go up a bit again then you will still have done two fast days (although not stricktly) and can aim to lower the calories on your next fast day. Trial and error is ok on this WOE.

niki well done on your gret loss, seems you've got it now, keep going smile

Daddy73 Tue 15-Jan-13 09:20:43

Thanks niki3108, that's just what I needed, I'm looking to lose 1stone then I'll probably drop to 6:1 to keep things ticking over. Pretty sure I'll be on here again this afternoon pulling my hair out. Thanks again for your advice.

Ezzza Tue 15-Jan-13 09:33:44

I'm glad I'm not alone in not eating fruit on fast days. Whenever I tell people I'm trying to lose weight (have to tell them, food's a big deal here and they won't take no for an answer unless I tell them I'm trying to lose weight) they practically try to force feed me fruit. I try to explain I'm keeping calories very low and they say 'fruit's ok, eat this'. My Mandarin Chinese is not quite up to the task of explaining the effect of fruit on blood sugars, so I just say 'no thank you, fruit makes me too hungry' and hope they drop it.

tiggy114 Tue 15-Jan-13 09:38:36

Ok i'm back. I can do this.

LuckyFriday13 Tue 15-Jan-13 10:14:33

Hi All, I'm starting today with my first ever fast. I'm thinking for me I will be better off saving my calories till later... Once I start eating- I'm constantly thinking about what I get to eat next!

Madhouse2012 Tue 15-Jan-13 10:19:01

Hi everyone, not been here since before Christmas too much going on! Wow how many new people have joined in, it's incredible, well done everyone.
I put on 2lbs over Christmas including a holiday, fasted twice last week and have now lost it again, so well chuffed.
So did anyone get involved with the mail on Sunday? I got a message asking for case studies but it's not for me, I am almost at my ideal weight, but curious to see if any mumsnetters are taking part in the article?

madlet Tue 15-Jan-13 10:49:52

Hello again all. I completed my first fast day yesterday (this time round anyway!). I think I did ok. I stir fried lots of veg in fry light last night and had half a salmon steak with it. I did have a square of dark chocolate last night!! I couldn't resist. Today also seems to be going quite well so far - I have managed to resist the biscuit tin so far.
How much do you restrict yourself on a normal day?

Madhouse2012 Tue 15-Jan-13 11:06:05

Hi madlet, I just try to be good on normal days but don't beat myself up if I'm not! I use my fitness pal app and log everything I eat, think it helps to keep track of everything.

Ezzza Tue 15-Jan-13 11:06:46

Hi madlet, well done on your fast. On non-fast days I dont count calories. It's impossible to do so where I'm living at the moment. That was the main reason I decided to try this WOE as I knew that for 6 months calorie counting every day would be impossible. That said, I'm trying my best not to go overboard on non-fast days and when I get back to Britain in 6 weeks I plan to count calories for a week or two on non-fast days just until I can get a good idea of how much I should be eating. I'll be trying to stay inside my TDEE on non-fast days, which at the moment is 1760 kcal.

Hello all, can I join you again?

I was on one of the previous threads for a while but kept getting too busy to keep up, and also stopped doing fast days for a bit around Christmas - I find it too hard to do when the kids are around (I don't want to have to explain it all to them, or to be jealous of their food!), not to mention finding all the Christmas treats hard to turn down! But I am hoping to get back into it again now I'm back at work.

My downfall at the moment seems to be evenings, and sweet things - I can be very good all day, but I'm a night owl and start getting cravings for sugary treats late in the evening - any tips for how to resist them? It seems mad to spoil it right at the end of the day after being good till then! Also must tell DH to stop offering me glasses of wine and Christmas cake on fasting evenings, grr

scoobybaby Tue 15-Jan-13 11:41:06

Hello there, Mumsnet newbie here. I started on the 5.2 lifestyle last week along with hubbie. Was very excited to lose 2lb last week - but bit gutted when hubbie lost 5lb!
its a .2 day today, and I'm here reading for inspiration rather than raid the cupboard. I've saved 2 of my fav tv shows for this afternoon while I do the ironing - keep hands & mind distracted!
look forward to swopping ideas and cheering each other on.
Its only 6 hours until dinner ........

Madhouse2012 Tue 15-Jan-13 12:05:36

Evenings and sweet things are my downfall too, but here's how I've managed so far.... I gave up black tea and coffee and now add milk (still inc the calories though), it satisfies me more, and if I get hungry I have a coffee, I also drink plenty of no added sugar squash, my favourite is cherries &berries, it curbs the sweet craving. I also keep really busy on fast days, and avoid the kitchen! Also keep thinking about what you can have tomorrow rather than what you can't today! I save my main calories for dinner, as if I have breakfast or lunch it's all downhill after and I keep thinking of food, so I go without until about 4pm then have a low fat yoghurt and dinner at 6pm of around 350 cals which is usually quite a substantial meal, I go to bed earlier on fast days too.

sweetiebisa Tue 15-Jan-13 12:10:22

Hi all, Started yesterday and, as instructed in the book, thought I would join for support and hopefully support others. I had Oat So Simple and an apple at 10am and at 7pm one steamed frozen haddock in butter (160 cals) with one packet frozen wild rice and mixed vegetables (165 cals). This would not normally be enough for me but I struggled to get through it! I drank loads through the day - no cal lemonade and tea - I believe the fizz is filling - and I feel great today. I am a lousy cook and think that ready meals will help me assuming the calorie value is correct!! Kept busy.
What should the gap be - should it be 12 hours between the meals?
10st 9lb 5ft 4 ins BMI 25.6

sweetiebisa Tue 15-Jan-13 12:11:57

Should have added that I used a little skimmed milk with my tea - around 6 cups - is this OK?

Madhouse2012 Tue 15-Jan-13 12:22:42

Sweetiebisa there's no hard rules as such, just 500 cals for 2 days a week, taken however works for you, I allow 50 cals daily for milk in drinks.

Snowkey Tue 15-Jan-13 12:37:17

sweetie as long as you are counting the milk calories into your 500kcals then you'll be fine.

scoobybaby Tue 15-Jan-13 12:57:21

I've been measuring 100mls of semi-skimmed into a jug and using this for tea. Its 49 calories and I would find it too easy to over use and lose track of how many drinks I'd had.
It was annoying last week to sit and calulate the calories in a dinner, made me hungry working it all out. So this week I've gone the ready meal route too - I know my M&S meal is 360 cals, so have 140 to eat during day.

scoobybaby Tue 15-Jan-13 13:03:59

Actually annoying is too strong a word - its just when you're really hungry calculating the calories in a carrot made it worse. I spent the whole day worrying about having enough calories for a decent dinner - which meant thinking about food constantly.
Has anyone else tried the ready meal approach?

DontGoThereDaisy Tue 15-Jan-13 13:20:56
literarygeek Tue 15-Jan-13 13:34:53

daisy thanks for that link. I'm not sure it's particularly uncomplimentary- the fact is the research needs to be done and I think it's necessary that such an official channel points that out. That in itself doesn't bother me, particularly as a) fasting is an age-old practice and b) we know that caloric restriction in general is positive wrt longevity. And c) I feel pretty good doing this.

Madhouse2012 Tue 15-Jan-13 13:35:53

Hmm so basically a report written by doing google searches and admitting to having no evidence! Pointless really! Seems to be more proof on here by people who are actually following the diet!

Snowkey Tue 15-Jan-13 13:46:12

Sounds like its written by someone who has an axe to grind. When dietitians and the NHS stop recommending that type II diabetics eat pasta, bread, potatoes and rice to regulate their blood sugar hmm while they prescribe masses of drugs to deal with the blood sugar peaks caused by the pasta, bread, rice and potatoes they have recommended I might start taking their opinion seriously.