5:2 Diet Thread! Number 8, fast away fast away fast away all!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 14-Dec-12 15:51:14

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- we won't bite. Well, maybe on a fast day. wink You'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one etc!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

Here is where I would link to the aforementioned Horizon programme, but it appears as if the BBC have finally noticed it on YouTube and have taken it down. Here is a link to the programme's page on iPlayer, which features a couple of clips, and might have updates eventually. Let us know if you find another site hosting it.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. We tend to favour lots of hot drinks during the day (count your milk if you use it!)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We mentioned BMR and TDEE often. Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day. (This is a new calculator to previous threads, this one seems to give me approximately the same results the last one did, but without the virus warnings on my browser!)

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Laska42 Fri 14-Dec-12 15:57:59

YO ..and am I first on ? smile
Thanks as ever Greeneggs You are a star thanks

OnlyWantsOne Fri 14-Dec-12 16:03:15

Hi!!

I've lurked before and read some previous posts. I've wanted to start this for ages but never had the oomph to go for it! Well the noro bug hit & whilst I wasn't sick - it killed my appetite and this week I've lost 7lb So I'm motivated to start.

I plan on fasting mon, wed, Friday

How does this help wait loss for others? Any one lost a lt of weight?

I have 3 stone to loose

TalkinPeace2 Fri 14-Dec-12 16:15:04

OnlyWAntsone
Well you've started the digestive clearout in a spectacular way!
Laska up there has lost a rucksack worth ....

Greeneggs
I adore that book - will have to go get my copy out.
T'was the night before Christmas and all through the house ....

Hope you're enjoying that 'start the weekend well' glass of white Laska grin .Yeah there are so many 'broken people' and people who never had the support they needed right from the start in this country (and others). So much could be be done for the nation if this WOL was part of the mainstream health/welfare etc etc system.

However while there are people like you within the system that are open to some of the benefits of some of the aspects of this WOL the more chance there is of good being done.

Gawd! I really do sound like I belong to a cult now...keep the Faith, keep the Fast grin .

Welcome Onlywantsone good luck on your journey, It won't be easy some of the time but will be worth it all of the time

...and thanks Greeneggs AGAIN thanks .

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 14-Dec-12 16:39:39

TIP me too! I was close to linking the poem so people wouldn't get all eating disorder on me but thought I'd take the chance.

(For the record grin )

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 14-Dec-12 16:45:12

oh oh and as I said, let me know if you find a new TDEE calculator. I've used a new one for the OP here, it seemed accurate enough (closer than the other one which said I could eat another 1k calories a day, ha ha ha) and it didn't throw malware warnings so I thought it would do for now.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 14-Dec-12 16:47:02

Greeneggs
I checked the one in your new OP and it looks fine - for both DH and myself.

catsrus Fri 14-Dec-12 16:47:02

Ok I'm here too.

No more losses this week - but not surprised I think that extra couple of pounds went on and off over the last week grin but it is now clearly at 22lb lost since August. Bought some nice new size 12 jeans from the charity shop yesterday -only £3 so didn't bother trying them on as I seem to be a pretty standard 12 now. They are actually a bit too loose!!!! This morning I took in some bin bags of old kids stuff to the same charity shop and threw in 4 pairs of my old size 16 jeans smile.

Meeting up with some old workmates tonight - most haven't seen me since I started this so I expect a few shock

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 14-Dec-12 16:51:06

I haven't weighed myself this week, I have impending doom TOTM and a few Christmas outings to get through. Have done two fast days and will try to make tomorrow one, though I've another party to do.

Next week will be quieter. smile

rachelblythe Fri 14-Dec-12 17:12:56

Thought i had better check in before everyone forgets about me, lol. Thanks for the news thread Greeneggs thanks
Im still reading the thread everyday. I'm at target but still doing 4:3 as I'm too scared to drop a fast down to 5:2. Actually I'm 3lbs lower than target now so have got to do something different if i want to start maintaining. I'm sure xmas will have something to do with a pound or two going back on. Will review in January.
Anyone else hit target yet? I'm lucky as i only had a stone to lose.
Some great results being posted. Been nice to put a face to some names also

Laska42 Fri 14-Dec-12 17:14:23

Thanks bro hmm I have a sneaking feeling we mightalso read the same newspaper and vote for the same party.. but sssh no politics here allowed

Welcome onlywantsone yes ive lost 20lbs since August , Cats as you can see, has lost a little more and Cyclistist is only 3/4 the man he was ! (but will behaving twice the fun this Christmas I imagine!) There's lots of us here who have done really well and others who it hasn't worked so well for, but we all agree its definitely worth a go .. and if we get the health benefits , hopefully none of us will end up in a care home... ( well not till we are well over 100 anyway ),And the by then well have our own 5:2-ers place..(and it will be VERY jolly)

Oh that glass of white earlier must have gone to my head .. I'm getting all lyrical about our bright futures .. Right I have a couple of hours till DH gets home and i can eat dinner ..think ill go wrap a present or two ..

See y'all Sunday ..(best JR voice)

TalkinPeace2 Fri 14-Dec-12 17:43:52

rachelblythe
I was 10 stone, am now 9 stone, am debating whether to aim for 8 1/2 - which will take me to BMI of just under 20 ; but that will HAVE to wait for January

Aftereightsaremine Fri 14-Dec-12 18:01:38

Thanks greeneggs. Been out most of the day & I come back to a lovely new shiny thread! Had a light lunch as was meeting my mum & didn't want to disappoint her so I will only be just over 500 cal today I think but 3rd fast this week so not too fussed. Welcome all newbies.

I had a sneaking suspicion that you read the Cycling Times and voted for the Raving Looney Party too Laska :-)

rachelblythe Fri 14-Dec-12 18:57:09

TalkinPeace2
Yes I was 9st 10lb, my target was 8st 10lb (wedding weight) This morning I was 8st 7lb. This gives me a bmi of 19.8 - I feel and amazing.just don't want to get complacent and it all go back on and more. My heaviest weight was 12st many years ago when I was 18 and I don't ever want to go back there. Just got to get my happy balance sorted now after xmas. smile

TalkinPeace2 Fri 14-Dec-12 19:01:31

rachel
my heaviest was 12 stone too - see the pic of me holding DD when she was small. Must put one up of me now at 9 stone because the 2003 one (with DS) I was comparatively SO unfit. People at the gym who have known me since then comment that the combination of yoga and more yoga has given me (and anybody else willing to have a go) fab posture so I 'look' slimmer.

Am now on the prosecco - cos its Friday

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 14-Dec-12 20:30:00

Yay new thread! Thanks greeneggs

Interesting to hear BMIs, with all the recent "under 9stone" posts I was going to ask about heights again (under 9stone would make me a little underweight and definitely scrawny at BMI of about 17.9)....I'm now really aiming to get rid of the love handles and tummy which is probably more about exercise than continued weightloss, but in lieu of having much time or energy for the former and bearing in mind upcoming festive period, I'm sticking to 4:3 for now.

Fast day today, just had lunch today with DC, usual lentils, feta and courgette, then have an easy tin of soup for later.

Aiming for mon, weds, fri again next week, then we fly back to UK on Saturday so might do a back to back fast tO avoid eating crap plane food

Breadandwine Fri 14-Dec-12 20:43:21

Well done, GreenEggs, great stuff!

"Hope you get a blog spot B&W, when I first joined mumsnet there were very few dads and i am pretty sure there were no grandads is your blog about bread?"

Pookey - my blog has been approved by Mumsnet and, yes, it is about bread - and kids! smile

It also has vegan recipes, gluten-free recipes and a (so far incomplete) post about my experiences of this WOL.

Thanks for your interest!

Iwearblack Fri 14-Dec-12 23:06:04

Hi size10tobe I have lost about 13 lbs (ie almost a stone!) since September and I don't do any organised exercise at all (apart from running for the bus). I manage 5:2 every week - well apart from this week as too many works dos...
Not a quick weight loss but it suits me (would like to lose another stone so BMI gets under 25)....

I too get annoyed if people try and say this WOE is dangerous or too fringe - grr I have never followed a 'diet' before but this is a WOE for health ...

Thanks greeneggs for keeping the thread going - didn't get the reference in the title blush so thanks also for the link explaining!!

frenchfancy Sat 15-Dec-12 08:07:14

Thanks for the new thread Greeneggs thanks

Rachel I really would suggest you drop down to at least 5:2 if you are now 3lb below target and have a BMI under 20. You need this to be a long term WOL, if you drop down any lower you risk yo-yoing (IMO) . Even at 5:2 you will still lose weight (I've never done 4:3 and still lose on average 1lb per week).

I really don't want to offend anyone, but if we as a group want this to be accepted as a healthy way of eating rather than a crank diet verging on an eating disorder then we need to be sensible about our eating.

mollysfolly England Sat 15-Dec-12 09:35:51

Hear hear frenchfancy!

At WI this morning am down a pound so now 13lbs lost (but has taken since 22nd August). I'd never have stuck to a traditional diet this long, but I really feel this time it will stay off smile. LOL'd at comment on last thread (can't remember MN name - sorry) about 9 stone seeming too low- yes it is a height issue, I'm only 5 feet short tall with a BMI of 24 at the moment..

welshmill Sat 15-Dec-12 10:58:58

GirlWithTheMouseyHair although I am now under 9st my BMI is still in the unhealthy range at 25.3 as I'm only 4ft 11'. (I hate to think what it was when I was 11st 2' - I was too scared to calculate it then!). Still a way to go for me but for the first time it's in the right direction. grin

frenchfancy Sat 15-Dec-12 11:09:33

BMI is definately more important than actual weight - that is why it was devoloped in the first place.

Aftereightsaremine Sat 15-Dec-12 11:29:11

Question for those doing 4:3, have woken up again on morning following 3rd fast day of the week feeling very nauseous & with blinding headache. Am fine after other fast days. Does anyone else get this? Making me think it would be better for me to do 5:2 instead but have so much weight to lose that it will take forever.

Aftereightsaremine Sat 15-Dec-12 11:35:16

Just discussed this with dh & he seems to remember my rheumatologist warning me that fasting on a day I take methotrexate (mtx) may cause extreme nausea & headaches. I take MTX over two days at the weekend as it makes me feel so lousy & dh is around to help out if I need it. Clearly I need to rethink the 4:3 & maybe just do 5:2 sad

frenchfancy Sat 15-Dec-12 11:50:45

Aftereight - don't be sad . If you are not feeling good after fasting then the likelihood is that you won't keep it up. It is far better to have a slow but steady loss that carries on and doesn't make you feel bad. And it won't be forever, 1lb a week will add up to over 3 stone in a year. And if the fasting doesn't make you feel poorly then a year is easy.

rachelblythe Sat 15-Dec-12 12:19:46

Frenchfancy
while no offence was intended, it is those exact type of comments regrading eating disorders why i have recently stopped posting and just decided to read.
I am quite aware that i need to make changes to the frequency of my fasts, which i why i said i would address this after xmas. As its Christmas i will be overindulging on more days than normal, as i expect most people will.
Whilst i have a lower bmi, i am no where near a bmi of being underweight, nor do i look underweight. I look great for my height and build, and now need to look at how i can adjust my woe to maintain this long term. Yes, i have restricted the amount i eat on three days a week like many others on here have, but i have also on four other days a week, eaten what i have wanted, including many celebration meals out, Takeaways and lots of alcohol. i can't see how this could be seen as having an eating disorder. And before anyone references bulimia, i am not doing anything different to everyone on here, I'm just fortunate enough to have reached my goal weight. I don't binge on any day, i eat at regular intervals, regular sized meals, just some meals are more calorific than would ordinarily be allowed on a diet such as SW or WW.
I don't want to sound confrontational, but i do wish people would stop throwing around 'eating disorder' so casually.
i am at target, and i will drop to 5:2 in the new year, but i will continue with this woe, as i hope to be gaining the health benefits suggested on the horizon programme and by some of the results posted by fellow MNs on here, like cyclistist

Aftereightsaremine Sat 15-Dec-12 12:23:56

Thank you ff. I suppose if I'm feeling rough from medication anyway & fasting making it worse on those days it's better to drop a fast day. I will lose the weight eventually. In the grand scheme of things an extra few months is really neither here or there!

rachelblythe Sat 15-Dec-12 12:41:16

frenchfancy that's not meant to read like I'm having a pop at you. I'm just quite sensitive to those two words, as i have been there in the past many years ago. There are sooo many huge differences to this woe, for one I'm in control. I make conscious decisions and hope that at the end of the day i will be a healthier person and avoid some of the terrible diseases that are taking a hold of the western world, particularly as cancer has been rife in my family. I have a little boy and i want to live a long life, to see his future.
I'll drop to 5:2 and see about maybe increasing my calories on fast days to say one meal of 700 calories, rather than 400ish (after milk, etc). See what that does. That's why i love this woe so much, it is flexible. Anyway, hopefully i haven't started a big debate

Twentytwelve Sat 15-Dec-12 13:27:52

I have just heard about this WOE this week and found this board very informative and interesting.

2 years ago I lost 4 stone with WW but I have spent the last 12 months stuggling to keep at my goal hovering up and down with that last stone.

On Monday my weight was at an all time post diet high so decided to do a fast/detox as a last ditch attempt to fit my clothes (all fat clothes thrown away!)for xmas. That is how I came across this board.

Loving what I am reading and think this could really be the thing that gets me back down and maintaining my goal so I really just wanted to say Hi and I am looking forward to getting involved. Oh yes and I am already 6lbs down from my weight on Monday - mostly water I am sure but feeling better already!

Hopengloooooooooooooooria Sat 15-Dec-12 13:37:28

I've now lost 1 stone 10lbs so far doing 5:2 since the middle of September. It's revolutionised the way I eat on non- fast days too

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sat 15-Dec-12 15:25:01

Sorry to everyone who I thought I was suggesting 9stone was too little, I just meant for a tall person like me it's easier to put into perspective with height! I absolutely wasn't suggesting you were aiming to be underweight.

Don't be upset rachel I think the big trouble is a few of us have come up against eating disorder accusations in RL so are sensitive towards how the WOE is perceived. I'm similar to you in that at a BMI of now 20 I'm happy with how my legs, arms and bum look (boobs are another story but that's post breast feeding not dieting) but I still have these goddamn love handles. Power yoga will sort it out if I start going regularly again but then my weight will probably increase due to muscle growth so I'll end up being slimmer on a slightly higher BMI. I could probably get down to a BMI of 19 and still not look skinny because it turns out I'm actually small framed, based on the wrist test (I can well overlap my fingers!)....because I'm 5'9" though I've been lucky that I've been able to get away with being heavier but I feel lethargic, fat and horrid.

It's all perspective, and there's not necessarily anything wrong with getting prepared for the gluttony of a festive period, just worth us all remembering that 9stone to one person is 15 to another, is 4 to another and likewise BMI can mean a range of body shapes.

Well done on inch loss btw frenchfancy, wish I'd been measuring rather than weighing myself, far more accurate I think!

OnlyWantsOne Sat 15-Dec-12 15:43:13

Hey!!

Well I was 13.6
I'm now 12.10
My aim at 5 ft 6 is to be 10 stone

I'm going to be doing 4:3 apart from Christmas week which will be 5:2

How much weight is expected to loose doing 4:3?

And what sort of calories should I be consuming on eating days?

mollysfolly England Sat 15-Dec-12 16:51:22

rachelblythe I think the point wasn't that you don't look great (I'm sure you do), but that if you've reached your target you shouldn't need to do 4:3 to maintain. Won't you continue to lose weight? Dr (he lost his sainthood when he didn't ask me to contribute to his new book) Michael Mosley went to 6:1 to maintain, so I'm sure you would even on 5:2.

TalkinPeace2 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:13:27

On topic post :
BMI is semi subjective. I will look better once my BMI is at or just below 20 - because my bones are that shape. Others look crap that thin. I have a yoga friend with a BMI of 17 who would look better at 18, but because she is so petite would look lardy at 21.

Frankly it comes down to looking LEAN : ie not fat. Curves in the good places, no wrinkles and bumps in the wrong ones. And lean is what is sexy and healthy.
So lets aim for lean rather than thin :-)

TalkinPeace2 Sat 15-Dec-12 21:15:05

Off topic post:

I got Naturalised as a British Citizen today.

It was amusing that after the registrar went round the room checking pronunciations for all the 'foreigners' she utterly fluffed how to say my name!

But it was impressive to see how much it meant to those present - especially the African man with the machete marks on his skull and the lovely Pakistani family whose sons looked SO utterly proud.

Still not a royalist though, despite the pledge of allegiance :-)

pookey Sat 15-Dec-12 21:56:27

Just did a search and I started this on Tue 18th Sep. I was 12.7 and now I am 11.11. I am 5ft 4. I have been trying to do 4:3 but I am not being ultra careful with calorie counting. I do not excersie but will aim to be next year. Would hope for 10.7 this time next year.

B&W there should be lots of interest in your blog, particularly around gluten free bread I should imagine!

TP2 I looked terrible when I was at the bottom of my healthy bmi weight.

Breadandwine Sat 15-Dec-12 22:33:29

TalkinPeace2 Many congratulations to you! Hope you had a wonderful day winewinewine

Including perhaps, a cream tea in the afternoon followed by a roast dinner this evening??

"Still not a royalist though, despite the pledge of allegiance :-)"

I'll drink a toast with you to that!!

Breadandwine Sat 15-Dec-12 22:36:12

Forgot to say, thanks, pookey!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sat 15-Dec-12 23:05:11

Congrats TiP! My Colombian friend naturalised a few years ago and it was really moving.

Actually B&W I also know someone who would be very interested in the gluten free part of your blog...amazing what a difference it's made to him since going GF

ErikNorseman Sun 16-Dec-12 06:51:49

Wow can I just say I love this 'diet'! It's so easy! All the energy and concentration is limited to two days per week - so simple. And yet i have naturally started being more aware on normal days because i dont want to wasre my efforts by overeating. I'm not sure how much I've l

ErikNorseman Sun 16-Dec-12 06:53:25

Lost because the scales were all over the place in the last few weeks but it is between 2 and 4lbs! In just 10 days of doing it! And I feel in control, and also like the coming 2 weeks won't screw up my plans because I'm in control smile this is a revelation.

ErikNorseman Sun 16-Dec-12 06:55:13

Pookey I'm inspired! I started at 12.7 ish and I'm 5,4 too. I'm now 12.4 and aim to get to 10st eventually.

OnlyWantsOne Sun 16-Dec-12 08:12:04

I've just re measured myself since I started to watch my food intake and I've lost 6 1/2 inches in total (two just off my waist) this has made me happy!!

I don quite feel normal being able to eat normally when it's an eating day - I had 1500 calories yesterday is that too much?
home made mince pies are amazing

ErikNorseman Sun 16-Dec-12 09:18:18

1500 cals is fine, def not too much. I don't know your BMR but you want to aim for 3500-7000 calorie deficit over the week (depending on your current weight, 7500 may be far too much) so on a fast day if for eg you create a deficit of 1500, you should spread the remaining deficit over the 5 days. You certainly shouldn't be restricting calories too much on normal eating days as you run the risk of under eating over the weeks.

OnlyWantsOne Sun 16-Dec-12 09:27:25

How do I calculate my bmr?

I'm 12 stone 10 and 5ft 6

ErikNorseman Sun 16-Dec-12 10:46:01

I think there is a calculator at the top here ^
As a general guide, you can take up to 1000 off your BMR up to a minimum of 1100 a day (so if your BMR is 1900 you should only deduct 800)
Also, if you exercise on top of general activity counted in your BMR calculation, you should eat the calories you expend.

As an example, if your BMR is 2000 a day, and you fast 2 days per week, you should aim for 14000-6300 = 7700 cals per week, so 2 days at 500 and 5 days at 1340. That would be the upper end of the weightloss scale however, aiming for 1.5-2 lb loss per week.
If you were happy with 1lb per week you could do 14000-3500=10500, so two days at 500 and 5 days at 1900 (so normal intake)
I'm aiming for the second plan, with a little leeway on fast days (600-700) and a little less consumed on normal days.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 16-Dec-12 12:51:47

MORE medical evidence in our favour .....
www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628951.900-gut-instincts-the-secrets-of-your-second-brain.html
about how the feedback loops from the digestive system impact on neurology, health etc etc

Bordercollielover Sun 16-Dec-12 13:30:24

TiP is there a way to read this without having a sub to NS? It looks interesting.

frenchfancy Sun 16-Dec-12 13:33:47

onlywantsone Don't take it off your BMR take it off your TDEE. Your BMR is your calorie usage if you are comatose. TDEE takes into acount your activity levels.

So for your weight and height your daily requirement could vary between 1850 cals/day and 2900 cals/day depending on your activity levels.

ErikNorseman Sun 16-Dec-12 13:52:08

Oops blush
That's what I meant

TalkinPeace2 Sun 16-Dec-12 13:56:09

Bordercollie
Somebody will probably copy it on the web - I have a sub so cheat!
Will do some looking
or go and buy the mag - its an excellent read this week :-)

ThinkICan Sun 16-Dec-12 14:47:31
Bordercollielover Sun 16-Dec-12 15:20:47

Thanks, looks like the link between how we feel and how we eat may be even stronger than was previously thought.

Bordercollielover Sun 16-Dec-12 15:36:17

Having been a non - weigher relying on clothes sizing to tell me that I am shrinking, I am now considering investing in some new scales. My losses have slowed right down and I want to take a closer look at what is happening. Just wondering if anyone knows of reliable scales which measure down to 50g increments and which have some sort of eye level display for very short sighted people?

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sun 16-Dec-12 18:29:37

Aaahhhh... just made it to the end of week 5 of the C25K - please somebody congratulate me! That's a 20 minute run and I am amazed I have managed it shock I kept being foiled, first by icy pavements, then by my phone throwing a hissy fit and mangling the app I was using to time myself, and then by a nasty fluey cold that left me coughing and wheezing. It was beginning to feel like an impossible target so I really feel this is a triumph... smile

Weigh in yesterday showed I have lost 11 lb so far and am more or less where I want to be, though I wouldn't mind losing a little bit more. I am aiming to carry on with 5:2 though at least over the Christmas period as I think that could do some damage (all that wine and mice pies blush) and DH still has a bit to lose so I want to support him carrying on.

Talisin Sun 16-Dec-12 18:41:15

Bordercollielover Try the Omron 508 or 511 scales. They have a sort of detachable handlebar thing that you can bring up to eye level.

Breadandwine Sun 16-Dec-12 19:54:49

Congratulations and well done, SarahWAFOT! Sounds like it was hard work but you did it!

I'd love to join you in the "wine and mice pies", but I'm sorry I can't, since I'm a vegan! grin

Don't forget the Links thread, Tip2 and TiC!

However, I've put your link (from page 1) over there, TiC .

About the maintaining weight discussion earlier:

I don't need to lose any more weight - I'm down to 9.3 now, from 10.10 when I started. I tried 6:1, but I didn't like it - I found I missed fasting for the two days every week. So I'm doing a modified version of 5:2, in that I fast for 24 hours twice a week - on one of those days I finish up with a >600 meal, but on the other I have a full, non-calorie counted meal.

I also try and eat bigger meals on my feeding days - I'm thinking of ditching the side plates and going back to a dinner plate.

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sun 16-Dec-12 20:36:42

Mice pies? Whoops, clearly too knackered to type properly blush I would like to make it clear I don't actually eat small rodents wink

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sun 16-Dec-12 20:39:45

It was hard work but worth it... got to keep going till I can manage the full 5K! I know there are a couple of other C25Kers on here - would be interested to know how they're getting on?

Interesting that you actually missed fasting B&W - I hadn't considered that aspect of it but I can sort of see how you might... I guess if I stick with 5:2 (as I want to help DH keep going anyway) that gives me more calories on eating days then grin

Souper Mon 17-Dec-12 06:57:56

bordercollielover I have some Salter Ultimate Accuracy scales which I got for around £40 from Argos. Unfortunately they do not have an eye level display thing but the digital display is a reasonable size. I literally love them. I would save them from the house in the event of a fire!

Snowkey Mon 17-Dec-12 07:22:46

Hi Sarah I started the C25k last January...I'm still at it, running 3 times a week and doing an outdoor class in the park twice a week. I love that feeling of being outside, exercise as soon as you leave your front door, no gym membership either which is easier on the pocket and less chance of catching the nasty bugs that lack of hygiene in gyms is known to breed.

Bordercollielover Mon 17-Dec-12 08:39:16

Band W: when people have a problem with gluten, perhaps sensitivity rather than the full blown allergy type, do you know whether they have the same problems with seitan or is the trouble only when gluten is attached to the rest of the grain as in flour?

literarygeek Mon 17-Dec-12 13:33:25

BCL in B&W's absence I will put my oar in!

I think you kind of have to know what you're dealing with. Gluten intolerance is celiac disease- an autoimmune thing but not an allergy. It causes damage to the small intestine and from there malabsorption and all the nasty effects of that.

Wheat allergy rare. it is complicated because it can be to different parts of wheat, including gluten. You'd know if you have it, it's not much different from other food allergies- rash,breathing difficulties etc. it's not what they test for in health food shops!

Some people have gluten sensitivity- might get bloating, diarrhoea and similar symptoms to celiac but it's not allergy or celiac disease. There's a crossover with IBS. They don't get the autoimmune conditions like thyroid disease that celiacs get. They can still have a miserable time.

Still others just feel bloated and a bit yuck after eating bread but sometimes this is more due to the processing method.

Wrt seitan: it's generally made from wheat gluten; so it's a no-no for celiacs and those with gluten sensitivity. The wheat allergy guys- it depends which bit of wheat they are allergic to. The yuck camp, try and see, it's no biggie if it doesn't sit right.

Or you could make your own gluten free version

Sorry this is nothing to do with 5:2....

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Mon 17-Dec-12 16:22:18

Quiet weekend everyone? I dyed a death on Saturday due to sleep deprivation and think I feasted on wine calories but actually didn't go that overboard after being in bed before 9 both nights. New morning new day (another horrific night but feeling alright ish)

Fasting today and power yoga tonight BRING IT ON! Then mulled wine in the tacky Brit pub with my Brit mums tomorrow to look forward to

Souper Mon 17-Dec-12 17:47:29

I'm fasting today. Feeling great, loads of energy. Went to the gym this morning then had a busy day at work. Can't wait to weigh tomorrow - bet it will be good!!

Hope everyone else's Monday is going well.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 17-Dec-12 18:50:00

ate and drank too much at the weekend !
fasting, and house cleaning and working today - waiting till DH gets home to have something to eat.

aim now is to not put any weight back ON over Christmas and then lose the last little bit in January.

Interesting the IBS and other bowel things - friends at the gym who are trying 5:2 - one of them has done as she's told and eaten every two hours for years to 'control' her IBS.
utter bilge
three fasts and its cleared up massively. (like DH's)

I'm going to tell my friend that, he's suffered IBS for years too and is in a really restricted diet but poo pooed this WOE.

souper your energy is infectious!

Name change btw - after 4.5yrs and posting photos I felt it was time (ex-GirlWithTheMouseyHair)

tiggy114 Mon 17-Dec-12 20:08:27

Hello new thread. Just catching up.

pookey Mon 17-Dec-12 20:47:47

ErikNorseman your post made me smile

TIP that's my plan too. Going to try to fast but if it ends up that I just have some low cal days here and there (under 1000?) so be it. Birthday this weekend and can't fast on christmas eve, or day or boxing day!

Today I should be under 600 but have struggled as I split the cals into 3 meals (one of which was white toast with butter blush. I really reccommend New york skinny chicken ministrone soup from tesco though - less than 100 cals per portion - I plan to stock up!

Another glimpse into my tv habits - Kirsty's homemade christmas said something like "christmas cake evolved around plumb porridge eaten on christmas eve after a day of fasting, thankfuly we no longer fast at christmas..." - some of us will be though, plumb porridge anyone?

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 17-Dec-12 21:04:37

The man with IBS poo pooed this WOE? grin Please tell me that was intentional, ex-*GWTMH*!

Strawberrysouffle Mon 17-Dec-12 21:07:36

Interesting observation about the effects on IBS. I have suffered (with some embarrassment) for years. Since starting this WOE it has improved drastically...I haven't needed to buy immodium for ages (too much information? grin)

I think we have been brainwashed into thinking that we must eat little and often. Thank goodness we have seen the light (ooh yes a bit evangelical!)

dontcallmehon Mon 17-Dec-12 21:17:49

Someone commented on another thread that I look drawn and ill in the photo on my profile and that I should put all my weight back on. I feel a bit rubbish now!

Iwearblack Mon 17-Dec-12 21:29:51

dontcallmehon well you look fab on the Halloween photo if that's theone you mean - great waistline! envy.

dontcallmehon Mon 17-Dec-12 21:32:52

Thanks that is the photo. I did feel lovely that evening and had made an effort for a change! I certainly don't feel ill...

Laska42 Mon 17-Dec-12 21:48:39

Hey ! I'm a grandmother!!....

Was fasting today (and yesterday) and started ok , but went to see new grandson Marcus (who is obviously the most beautiful baby ever ) and had celebratory G&T and chilli doritos on the boat back home and then several glasses of white since!!! ..

pookey Mon 17-Dec-12 21:52:17

OMG dontcallmehon - does she know you in rl because I don't see how she could come to that conclusion based on that picture! That kind of comment is annoying.

grin @ GEandN

pookey Mon 17-Dec-12 21:53:21

Congrats Laska - would be just wrong not to wet the baby's head!

Aftereightsaremine Mon 17-Dec-12 22:02:59

That's great news laska. You absolutely have to wet the baby's head.
I'm another 2 lbs down so 37 in total. Really pleased but have definitely made up my mind to move to 5:2. I'm also going to try & stop using mfp which I have to say I've been using as a bit of a crutch. It'll be interesting to see if I carry on with weight loss when not using mfp. We shall see.

rachelblythe Mon 17-Dec-12 22:03:23

Dontcallmehon - I think you look fabulous on that Halloween photo. If you have lost a further 7lb since then though,I would say you don't need to lose any more weight in my opinion. But I expect that the nasty comment was actually from someone who is just jealous

Laska - congratulations! smile

Last week of 4:3 for me this year, with xmas next week and then dropping to 5:2 in the new year, maybe taking on breadandwines suggestion for my two fasts to work out a maintenance plan. I think this will be the first new years resolution in 10 years that won't include 'lose weight' I feel tremendous about that. Although maybe it's more daunting as I actually want to start running and getting fit in 2013. It's going to be a good year,I can feel it smile

Laska42 Mon 17-Dec-12 22:17:41

37lbs aftereights that is totally amazing..is that all onthe 5:" or some before? anyway whatever.. well ,well done to you .. smile

rachelblythe fantastic to you also.. my NWR will only be to lose less than 7lbs I think, which is also amazing to me.. Im just hoping to STS over the festive season and drop the last few 'wiggle room' lbs after I just want to be under 10st .(10.2 now) which is I think slim enough for me - being 5.6 and a little older . Scrawny Grans are not on I think , but slim ones (like me now) are fine! grin

Evening all. Dontcallmehon you look GREAT in that photo...the 'sticks and stones' saying springs to mind.
Congratulations Laska, does that make me a Great Uncle?!?!
Fast day here, was pretty hard especially early on but got through it and feel A LOT better after 3 days of pre-Christmas excess. Got to agree with those saying the aim now has switched to not doing too much damage over the next 3 weeks or so. And then hopefully using DrMMs book to kick start the new year and get back into a rhythm

onit Mon 17-Dec-12 22:25:43

Wonderful news Laska. Many congratulations to your family. wine

DontcallmeHon - take no notice. You look fabulous and confident in your photo.

dontcallmehon Mon 17-Dec-12 22:28:41

Thanks guys, I appreciate the lovely comments. I am not going to lose too much weight now, but I love this way of eating and I'm not going to stop completely. Someone referred to me as 'delicate' looking the other day shock. I have never in my entire adult life been referred to as 'delicate!' I was quite happy with that blush.

Congratulations, Laksa - what lovely lovely news!

A lady in M & S approached me today to ask me the name of my son, as her daughter has just had a boy and is stuck for a name. She thought my son looked like a lovely boy, so wanted to know his name. Unfortunately he chose that moment to run off, but it was a nice thing to say. I am really looking forward to grandchildren when my time comes smile

Aftereightsaremine Mon 17-Dec-12 22:33:11

Have lost this weight purely doing this WOE. Just worked out that still have 47 lbs to go to reach my target weight sad. but I can actually see me achieving that on this WOE smile

TalkinPeace2 Mon 17-Dec-12 22:33:29

Laska
Wahey!

Dontcallmehon
ignore rude comments - you look slim and toned. the right way to aim for.

Laska42 Mon 17-Dec-12 22:56:14

aftereights you'll be ok, it can be done.. i've lost 20 on this WOE but 50 overall.. also Cyclistist has lost around 5 stone i think .

Bro.. yes it does but only if you also agree that he is the most beautiful great nephew ever,.(you can trust me ..or do I need to put up another photo?)

dontcallme hon it's jealously of course .. you do look great ..

Congrats Laska that's fab news!! Is he the first baby to make you a Gran?

dontcallme you look fab, there will always be someone looking to make themselves feel better by making you feel worse

GreenEggs I'm afraid I'm never intentionally that funny. But well done me wink

Mid afternoon here, getting a bit shakey and hungry but about to head into soft play with DD which serves excellent coffee and will occupy me til I pick up DS, have dinner with the kids then bath and bed them. DH working late tonight but it's been almost 2 weeks since I exercised so have booked a babysitter early as a treat so I can have coffee and book time alone before yoga and someone else can put the blighters to bed

virginposter Mon 17-Dec-12 23:35:14

Dr MM's book is now available for pre order from Amazon at £5.99 arriving 10th January.

frenchfancy Tue 18-Dec-12 07:00:34

Congratulations Laska

dontcallme you look georgeous.

I feel crap today, I've got a stinking cold and we've got a major project that has to be finished this week so I'm likely to be working til after 10pm every night. I put off yesterday's fast to today as I didn't feel up to it. Don't feel like it today either but I need to do it to make sure christmas does end in total disaster. I can't face January having to lose weight I've already lost once.

I'm normally organised with meals on fast days but I have nothing sorted for tonight, no time to cook and no time to go shopping either. sad Will probably end up with beans on toast.

Aftereightsaremine Tue 18-Dec-12 07:24:13

I love beans on toast ff. Have pre ordered mike Mosley book. Have to really if only as a thank you to him for revolutionising the way I eat.

The most important things I've learnt is that it's ok to feel hungry, you don't need to keep eating to keep your energy levels up, & you will not fade away from hunger! But the most important thing I've learnt is that I do not NEED 3 meals a day.

DistantShip Tue 18-Dec-12 07:30:50

Marking a spot on this thread, so I can educate myself about 5:2.

With a target of 13kg to lose in 2013, and a determination not to gain over the festive season I'm inspired by the success on here. DH wants to shift a few kg also - and this seems relatively easy to fit into our lives.

Will read up on the links over the next couple of days .... and likely have a few questions wink

Well then Laska that's official then he's the most beautiful baby in the world. Well done on the weight loss Afteeightsareallmine, I reckon you'll be surprised how quickly you achieve that target in the new year. And we've all now got the tools to keep healthy long term rather than just for a year or two...
Welcome DistantShip and good luck on your journey :-) .
Thanks for the heads up Virgonposter just about to get onto Amazon and reserve my my copy.

Have a great day all :-)

Whoknowswhocares Tue 18-Dec-12 09:29:47

<Dipping toes cautiously into water>

I've lurked on and off for a while now and followed the plan halfheartedly for a short time dropping a couple of pounds (for those of you interested, they've stayed off, despite my return to bad habits) but feeling a bit podgy and bloated.

So want to give it a proper go. As long as I can eat Xmas and Boxing Day, I should be able to cover the festivities so.......can I join? grin

BecBro4 Tue 18-Dec-12 09:54:39

Hi all, just did my first fast day, got a bit hungry around the 20hr mark but persevered and ate my full 500 cals at dinner. My question is, I am also currently doing Jillian Michael's 30 Day Shred, should i exercise on the days i am fasting or not? Oh and I am 176cm tall and weigh 98kgs currently blush - I was 121kgs so I have lost a lot, but still have a lot to go.
Thanks Bec

Aftereightsaremine Tue 18-Dec-12 10:45:53

Welcome who & bec. Bec that is an amazing weight loss. Well done its so doable on this WOE. I love the fact you can pig out if you want & not feel guilty. Can't help on exercise I'm afraid I do absolutely nothing!

literarygeek Tue 18-Dec-12 10:59:53

bec just try and see how it goes. I exercise in the mornings generally anyway- so pre-breakfast- and have found it totally doable. It used to be tough on the days after a fast but even that is getting easier. Also, sometimes it helps to exercise towards the end of a fast day, to take your mind off eating and also because all those endorphins work to suppress apettite.

Hope that helps!

literarygeek Tue 18-Dec-12 11:00:57

Or appetite even.

Snowkey Tue 18-Dec-12 11:09:46

becbro I exercise while fasting, running for sometimes an hour or doing an hour long intensive exercise class...always in the morning though when I have most energy anyway, I don't think exercising before breakfast is a massively controversial thing to do any way - and as we all know not having the breakfast will do you no harm.

Today was meant to be a fast day but I have a chest infection and sore throat - eating helps enormously so I have decided to abandon my fast...not sure I can squeeze another one in before Christmas but there will be plenty of opportunity in January.

BecBro4 Tue 18-Dec-12 11:33:55

thank you everyone for your input smile I have put away the scales until January, my self worth was becoming affected by my plateau. Looking forward to Christmas and the New year. Good luck everyone smile

virginposter Tue 18-Dec-12 11:35:44

So, for all those worried about weight gain over the festive period, here's what happened to me. My daughter came for 3 days to have a 'mini' christmas with us but there was certainly nothing 'mini' about it as she bought 2 boxes of chocs and she made a delicious Christmas cake too.

We ate and drank for 3 days with no real restraint (we did all feel at the end of each day that we were a bit too full but I did try to limit this) and this morning she departed leaving all the left overs here.

Today for me is a FAST day so this morning I reluctantly stepped onto the scales to assess the damage and lo only 1lb gain. Now I'm sure by doing my 4:3 this week it will disappear just in time for real Christmas day! But by having that trial run I will be much more aware of what I consume and hopefully by the end of all this I will have maintained. Then back to 4:3 until my 7lb off goal, then down to 5:2 for maintenance.

Oh by the way, I told my daughter about this WOE back in August and she was a little concerned but was ok about it. When she arrived she looked lovely and slim and her 'saddlebags' which had been the bane of her life forever were gone. She told me she had been doing this WOE since I told her but she has only been doing 6:1 as she was already an ideal weight. She has lost a couple of kg but has noticed, like many of us, the loss from waist, stomach and those pesky saddlebags. Yay another success.

Laska42 Tue 18-Dec-12 12:00:37

Oooo ....10st 0.5 this morning.... thats another 1.5 down.. Could be baby excitement though ,or maybe gin and chili doritos is the Way to go !! grin

Breadandwine Tue 18-Dec-12 12:19:58

"Band W: when people have a problem with gluten, perhaps sensitivity rather than the full blown allergy type, do you know whether they have the same problems with seitan or is the trouble only when gluten is attached to the rest of the grain as in flour?"

BCL That answer from literarygeek was better than any I could have given - however, it didn't exactly answer your question. As she said,

"...others just feel bloated and a bit yuck after eating bread but sometimes this is more due to the processing method."

So, if it is commercially processed bread that causes the problem, then seitan made with wheat may well be OK. All I can suggest is that you proceed with caution.

That's a great link, lg - and I shall put it on the GF post on my blog, thanks for that.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 18-Dec-12 12:45:04

frenchfancy
Beans on toast is a splendid dinner : one thin slice of toast just right, 1/2 "whole earth" baked beans (dearer but worth it) one egg, scrambled on the side, half a slice of good ham torn up and stirred into the eggs, fresh ground pepper on top!

Welcome lurkers.
So good to know that this WOE is being picked up by new people.

I've lost the pound I put back on last week so now just have to aim for steady till the start of next term.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 18-Dec-12 14:05:32

Have weighed in (mid-TOTM, brave of me!) and have stayed the same, which I'm happy with. I've had a very festive week of dinners out and nights of wine, several desserts, and the discovery that I can make homemade Bailey's better than anything out of a bottle shock. In fact, that was the peak of my parties etc for this season, I have a night out with friends tonight and I think that's it, unless something impromptu pops up.

Time to bake a bit!

Welcome to newbies - re exercise I do it all very sporadically depending on the whole how badly DD has slept the previous night.

Fasted yesterday and though knackered (as per) dragged myself off to power yoga at 8:30pm - the teacher worked us HARD for an hour and a half, I was sweating like nothing else but managed to really push myself despite fasting all day. Felt so energized after and although starving went straight to bed. Found the night much easier to cope with, which I reckon is combination of fasting and exercise.

So, before we fly home on 22nd and the gluttony begins (mum has refused to plot in fasts, despite the fact she does 5:2), I'm going to fast and power yoga tomorrow and Friday.

Mulled wine tonight though, yay!

Asinine Tue 18-Dec-12 15:50:57

Delurking to say I love americas nn.

Question

So if I eat at 6pm, and have no breakfast then walk the dog and eat say eggs at 10, I've done a 16 hour fast? Do you do that everyday, or just the fast day? My BMI is about 19, so not really in it to lose weight, but very interested in the anti cancer/health angle.

Welcome Asinine, the answer to your question is.....nobody knows for sure. But some of the evidence seems to point to 16 hours as a minimum being the point when your body starts to get the health benefits. For me aiming to eat within a 8 hour window ( therefor leaving a 16 hour period without food) and the effect it has on cells, the liver and insulin production seems like a good idea.... along side ADF, and who knows possibly Also on it's own

TalkinPeace2 Tue 18-Dec-12 17:02:56

Asinine I eat around 7, sleep, mornings at the gym and have lunch .... so 5 days a week do a partial fast. Logically, it would seem that you are doing the right thing - we'll all know when the research comes out in a few years!

Asinine Tue 18-Dec-12 17:37:15

Thanks, I need to read the links and intro to the thread properly, too.

Skinnyeye Tue 18-Dec-12 19:05:44

Finally caught up you guys talk a lot grin heading out for Christmas drinks. Have eaten before I go so I won't have food out this time. See you losers tomorrow

Souper Tue 18-Dec-12 19:57:30

Hi everyone and well done on all the amazing weight loss. I had a good weigh-in this morning, at 73.3kg - down from 85kg in August.

Onward!

Laska42 Tue 18-Dec-12 20:12:02

Just for a short time only ..a couple of photos of the most beautiful grandchild in the word ever , and his 5:2 -er, 10st.0.5 nan!

Laska42 Tue 18-Dec-12 20:14:14

skinnyeye we talk so we cant eat!! grin

Souper Tue 18-Dec-12 20:22:17

laska congratulations! He is gorgeous and so are you! You look amazing and so so slim!

Jossysgiants Tue 18-Dec-12 20:32:00

Hi, I have just started on week 3 now and lost about 5-6 pounds so am thrilled. I went to get my nails done this evening and my friend who does them said they were looking a lot stronger than last time which was just before I started on this. Has anyone else seen an improvement in nails/ hair/ skin? It seems counter intuitive but who knows! laksa congratulations!

TalkinPeace2 Tue 18-Dec-12 20:34:06

Laska You are doing amazingly - look at the old picture you had up the other day, and the one with your grandson - neck and jaw definition. Fandabeedozee.

Souper
Wow, that is quite something. Makes my 6kg look measly!

Breadandwine Tue 18-Dec-12 20:38:02

Here are some thoughts about fasting and weight loss that are of interest - especially the bit about the harmful effects of fizzy drinks:

www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Fasting-for-slimming-Are-there-any-dangers/11375-theories-of-obesity-is-fasting-always-the-answer

Couple of useful links on the thread as well.

Bordercollielover Tue 18-Dec-12 20:44:18

Thankyou lg. and BandW for the gluten answers and also to others for the scales info, there are too many posts already to find who it was!

Laska42 Tue 18-Dec-12 20:59:24

wow Souper thats an amazing loss (took me a while to work it out) .. How i wish id found 5:2 when I started dieting 6 years ago when I was 13st 10 (87kg) its taken me this long to get to here ! But has been 5:2 that has made the final difference

I think when Dr Ms book comes out in Jan its going to cause a massive turmoil in the dieting industry .

aw Laska he's gorgeous...and so are you!

Welcome Asinine and thankyou <<twilrls in shiny new NN>>

well done souper, that's great news!

I'll have to wait til Sunday to WI as I don't have any scales and my gym is closed, hoping to not gorge on disgusting airplane food so will weigh in as soon as I arrive at Mum's....but I only started weighing myself after about a month on 5:2. I have however gone from a size 14 to a size 10, which is nice...

catsrus Tue 18-Dec-12 22:27:27

Congratulations laska - he's totally gorgeous smile

Welcome to all newbies - this is definitely a WOE for life - non fast day today and I indulged in a lovely meal with friends, finishing with christmas cake (my first of the year, but not the last grin)

Aftereightsaremine Tue 18-Dec-12 22:58:31

laska he is gorgeous! & you look pretty fab too.

Whoknowswhocares Tue 18-Dec-12 23:12:20

Congrats Laska. He is beautiful

I've finished my first ever fast day! Happily I found it fairly easy and am now off to bed. Hungry now but hey, it's breakfast soon enough

Souper Tue 18-Dec-12 23:31:10

Thanks Talkin I've just been looking at pictures of myself from the summer and I do look a bit slimmer but not hugely so. I'm quite tall so I hide my weight well but I do feel so much lighter and more energetic now.

6kg is also very good going and I seem to remember that you are at a much lower BMI than me!

pookey Wed 19-Dec-12 00:26:54

Laska, such a lovely picture, thank you for sharing it, he is lovely and very content in his grandmother's arms smile

Weighed myself this morning and I was finally a lb lighter after yests fast! Have been baking today though, a gingerbread house for ds' teacher and gingerbread mocha cupcakes and cranberry ripple cupcakes for oh to take to work so it will prob have gone back on tomorrow thanks to a bit too much sampling. Will try to fast tomorrow, but decorating house with ds will be a challenge!

pookey Wed 19-Dec-12 00:41:51

hmmm couldn't quite follow everything on the link B&W do they think fasting is bad? I found this section interesting as might explain why my weight loss is a little slow:
"the body will not allow one to burn off fat so long as toxins continue to enter the body as toxic chemicals are fat soluble so 'hide' in the fat to protect the body. However if you burn off the fat too quickly it would overload the body with toxic waste which would cause a lot of damage. So hanging on to body fat is the body's way to maintain homeostasis until one has a purer diet.
its the best theory I have heard so far. And they also mention water retention fat caused by stress hormones and the best way to deal with it is to get sufficient sleep."

frenchfancy Wed 19-Dec-12 07:02:27

Morning all. Still feeling crap, but managed my fast yesterday. Beans on toast with poached egg was nice, but not as filling as a veg chilli. Have a bowl of steaming porridge in front of me now which is helping.

Planning 1.5 fasts next week. Full fast on 27th then fasting til dinnertime on Sat 29th. Hopefully will be enough to keep my weight stable over the festive period.

OnlyWantsOne Wed 19-Dec-12 07:40:14

Morning!!

Well Monday was my fast day which was fine - but on Monday night my tonsil burst (ive developed a quinsy) and so I haven't eaten since. I have been so so poorly sad

Aftereightsaremine Wed 19-Dec-12 07:45:25

Oh poor you. Forget fasting & just concentrate on getting better. You probably won't be able to eat much anyway .

Breadandwine Wed 19-Dec-12 10:53:40

"hmmm couldn't quite follow everything on the link B&W do they think fasting is bad?"

pookey no, fasting - up to 30 days at a time - is what they're all about. The site is a bit far out in some respects - they're big on expelling toxins, for instance, and there's a 5-step detox you're urged to follow - but they are an excellent source of info and links.

I've watched those two videos linked to in that thread and they're both well worth watching. The first is an inspirational story about juice fasting, and the second is an complete expose of the diet drinks industry among other things - it's pretty frightening in places!

It specifically mentions 'diet cola':
"Nothing else does it like a diet cola. That's because there's a deadly combination there of aspartame and caffeine and those two together create a very unique blend of 'excito-toxins' that kills off brain cells. But before they die they give a burst of excitement, or buzz..." And that, of course, brings you back for more.

Sounds like you knew most of this, TiP?

I shall link to these two documentaries directly on the other thread. Far better to watch these than the X factor, or Strictly (although I love Strictly! grin), IMO!

TalkinPeace2 Wed 19-Dec-12 12:07:27

Breadandwine
I'd not known about the brain cell theory about the evils of carbonated drinks, but the combination of
sugar / aspartame / saccharin / caffeine / azo dyes /pthalates
that carboated drinks contain is why I'm not a fan.

My kids love lemonade and pepsi, but we treat it the same as alcohol - for a treat with meals at the weekend and on holiday. That way the two are linked in their heads for health / addictive properties - as they should be.
I won't buy diet drinks. I know too much about the history of the chemistry of sweeteners shock

frenchfancy Wed 19-Dec-12 12:19:50

Better than X factor perhaps B+W, but strickly is sacred in our house. smile

I will be watching the diet drinks one this evening.

Interesting thing today, DH has been fasting with me since September. Today - a non-fast day - he claims to be hungrier than he has ever been since starting 5:2. Just when you think you are used to it. (I on the other hand have been fine today)

BecBro4 Wed 19-Dec-12 12:59:40

Hi all,
so i have done one fast and one feed (not sure what you call it) day.

yesterday was my fast day, I was still able to do the 30 day shred easily, I didn't get hungry until about the 20 hr mark but still waited until the 24hr mark before eating. I ate my full 500 calories at dinner.
But last night i hardly slept, i tossed and turned so much, i ended up getting up and just sat with my brain buzzing for over an hour sad

today was feed day, when i did get up i wasn't hungry?? so close to 36 hrs with only 500 calories in my stomach and not hungry? any way... i made myself eat and once i started i got a bit hungry but filled up quickly. I still did the 30 hr shred today, I was worried about not having enough energy after such a poor sleep and not much food, but it was no harder than on previous days so YAY :D .

Tomorrow is a fast day and i am hoping that i will sleep better tomorrow night than i did last night.

Fasting today and I have the DC cold - sore throat, snotty nose, generally feeling crap. Food tips needed!! All I want is hot toddies permanently sliding down my throat

RosinaCopper Wed 19-Dec-12 16:10:29

I have a quick question for you seasoned 5:2ers.

I keep meaning to try this WOE and today I haven't eaten since breakfast (which unfortunately was a McDonalds Sausage and Egg Bagel!). So if I now don't eat until breakfast tomorrow, does that still count as a fast, becasue it would be near enough 24 hours without food? Or should I eat supper early tonight and then start a 'proper' fast day tomorrow? I just wondered whether it mattered when the 24 hours started, IYSWIM?

TalkinPeace2 Wed 19-Dec-12 16:21:30

how many calories in the food - the point is that its 500 calories in the 24 hour period
not two big meals 25 hours apart !

RosinaCopper Wed 19-Dec-12 17:06:44

Oh. I didn't really think of it like that!

Well so far I've already had 750 today, so I guess I'll have an early (light) supper and start the 500 calorie thing tomorrow. Thank you

And it generally works out more like 500kcal in 36 hours

pookey Wed 19-Dec-12 18:21:31

BecBrod4 sounds like you really did well, maybe it was in part to do with the type of food you ate keeping you awake or did you drink a lot of black coffee during the day to stave off hunger?

Feel better ATB - chicken soup? smile

Rosina well done for fasting for 24 hours. Some of the people on here fast for 16 hours, have their 500 cals then fast for another 16 which is prob what ATB referred to with 36 hours. I don't generally manage this tbh but my weight loss is slow.

pookey Wed 19-Dec-12 18:27:04

B&W I think I need to reread and watch the links! Sounds hardcore!

I Try not to let my kids have fizzy but they have been having no sugar squahs however having checked label I will be knocking that on the head. I tend to have lemonade when out for a meal or with whisky smile like a treat as you do TIP

I had no idea about the fizzy drink stuff. I just don't like them (apart from tonic and only then if it has a hefty helping of gin!) so we just don't have them around

Discovered a tin of chicken noodle soup in the cupboard - 90kcal for half a tin which has filled me right up and made me feel tons better. So I can have the other half later and still have lots of kcal left for whiz zing up what veg is lurking at the bottom of the fridge into home made soup for tea. Good good.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 19-Dec-12 20:03:04

ITV1 RIGHT NOW .......
about the surgical option to what we are doing ....

Breadandwine Wed 19-Dec-12 20:43:34

Sorry, TiP! I tried watching it, but 90 seconds was enough. shock

I'll be happy with a resume later, thanks.

I'm currently trying to track down the research in the Mirror this morning "Exercise and diet a 'cure' for diabetes."

Breadandwine Wed 19-Dec-12 21:02:37

It's hopeless trying to find anything in the Mirror online.

However, all the article said was:
"...people with Type 2 diabetes found 11.5% were either partially or entirely cured...Their calorie intake was cut to 1200 a day with 3 hours exercise a week."

No indication of numbers, or length of trial, I'm afraid.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 19-Dec-12 21:12:10

B&W
I did watch it - the lesbian taxi driver was the most entertaining character.
The sense of defeatism was astounding among all the patients.
And the realisation that many of those facing surgery had Permanently destroyed their insulin systems.
Therefore their own metabolism will never know a proper dietary feedback
Also, a SiL of my best man died of a heart attack five years after surgery due to heart strain.

this WOE - for all those well enough to not be on the surgery list HAS to be the answer.

Breadandwine Wed 19-Dec-12 21:15:38

Thanks. TiP. If Dr M's book takes off, don't suppose those surgeons will thanks him!

Just read this on 'The Fasting Connection', which I thought worth repeating:

'Having a small snack about half an hour to an hour before "meals" would "spoil your appetite" as Gandma used to say.. well, that's exactly what we need in an overweight population!'

André

FlojoHoHoHo Wed 19-Dec-12 22:25:07

Hi, can I join? Gone from size 10/12 to 16 in 12 short months and struggling to motivate myself during the trying xmas period.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 19-Dec-12 22:31:08

Welcome Flojohoho
your best bet is to read GreenEggs opening post and click on the links ...
We think that Dr Moseley is releasing a book based on his programme in Augusts and the fact that it has caught on faster than an STD. grin

The principle is simple.
The detail is still being refined.
Other recent joiners to these threads have commented that we are the most consistent and complete resource forum on the subject.

Good luck and join in the fun ...

FlojoHoHoHo Wed 19-Dec-12 23:25:22

Had a good bit of bedtime reading. I'm in!

starlady Wed 19-Dec-12 23:36:12

Hi b&w didn't quite get what that quote was getting at? Surely we aren't spoiling appetite, but stretching it? I'm probably being a bit dense!

Also, one slightly worrying thing with this WOE (which I'm sure is just me)' but before I used to be obsessed with getting my 5 a day, but I realise now eating so much fruit & veg was making me quite bloated. So now I don't think I'm getting 5 a day, more like 2 today (no fast) yesterday was 3 or 4, maybe 1 on a fast day.

I actually feel ok, but am I depriving my body of nutrients?

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 20-Dec-12 00:30:35

starlady I know people can be divided on the subject, but I take a multivitamin daily. I also have a separate calcium + vitamin D pill which I take regularly. Considering how little dairy most of us eat on fast days, I think it's even more important than usual to take it.

Just my opinion, though!

I think most of us also tend to pile our plates high with low calorie high nutrient veggies on fast days don't we?

Breadandwine Thu 20-Dec-12 00:46:12

Hi starlady

The point is that we're all trying to eat less on this WOL - if you do have a bit of dried fruit, say, before a meal, and it does spoil your appetite a bit, you'll eat less of the meal.

Bit convoluted, sorry!

About fruit and veg - I'm a vegan, so that's all I eat. All the advice about this WOL is along the lines of "Eat less, mainly plants"! You do need to keep up your nutrients.

Probably someone will come along with some advice.

Have you checked out the Recipe thread that accompanies this one?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/a1567814-5-2-Fast-day-recipe-ideas

pookey Thu 20-Dec-12 00:52:36

Fraid not ATB, I don't eat veg much as a general rule although obv a couple of portions with dinner. I probably eat the same amount of veg on fast or non fast days tbh.

Starlady I think veg is better for you in terms of teeth health, nutrients, insulin etc so no harm in cutting fruit out and experimenting with which veg you can eat that doesn't leave you feeling bloated? Thinking about it I am the reverse and have been craving clementines on fast days, prob for the sugar rush!

cynnerthenaughtyreindeer Thu 20-Dec-12 00:53:24

Just popping in after lurking for a bit. Been doing a Monday and Thursday fast for three weeks. I have no scale, but clothes seem less tight. I a doing this as more traditional diets have not worked for me. I am currently not able to exercise do to injury. I love reading the supportive comments on here..Good Luck To Us!

BecBro4 Thu 20-Dec-12 07:36:15

Second day of fast, so much easier, no drop in energy levels and haven't suffered from feeling hungry at all today.

starting out is there any reason that i shouldn't do 4:3 compared to 5:2? i have found it so far relatively easy grin

Snowkey Thu 20-Dec-12 08:12:26

I eat plenty of veg on fast days but I'm not sure it's a common theme - after all it was suggested in the Horizon didn't matter so much - that might be ok in the short term but long term the nutritional make up of the food you eat will matter especially as you are eating less.

I watched the weight loss ward last night too - it was very moving, puts things in perspective and the chocolate I was planning to have to sooth my sore throat suddenly lost its appeal. Was so nice to see the Taxi Driver take the opportunity to live life to the max.

Is weight loss surgery - stomach stapling, more risky than other types of surgery or is it solely the BMI of the patients that makes it risky.

Aftereightsaremine Thu 20-Dec-12 08:23:31

Well yesterday was meant to be a fast day but was invited out for lunch so I went had a yum lunch & then tomato soup for dinner. More importantly no picking! Total calories yesterday was 1300 so not too bad. Doing the same today so will just be happy maintain this week. Have big family party on Saturday (&lots of eating) & dinner out again on Sunday. Just need to get to January without too much damage & worry later.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Thu 20-Dec-12 12:03:28

Hi everyone please can i join you???

I just weighed myself to day and got the shock of my life! I knew i was getting big, but i didn't realise i was this big sad

On a fast day, how do ration out your calories? Do you just have one meal, or do you have lots of low cal things through the day?

Thanyou

Laska42 Thu 20-Dec-12 12:27:17

People.... on a fast day you simply must try Marks and Spencer's Super Green Soup .. .its fantastic and 220 cals for a 600g pot !..ill put this on the recipe thread even though its not one!

Fasting again today .. but is there no end to my vanity now ive lost so much weight?

I've just had my first ever facial ,(in 55 yrs of wearing no make up or hardly ever using beauty products at all) a massage and my eyebrows and lashes tinted ! A special chritsmas offer price at my hairdressers . It was rather nice. shame I cant afford that too often ..

I feel a very glam grandma today!! smile

catsrus Thu 20-Dec-12 12:31:42

Hi BecBro - if you find it easy then 4:3 will give you quicker results - I just fit fast days in when I can now and don't really count them (but I don't do 2 in a row)

puds11 welcome too - do what works for you. I started out with low cal thoughout the day, and do that sometimes if I have a fast day and am at home - but if I am at work or out and about I find it much easier to eat nothing until the evening (might have a cup or two of miso soup). So my fast days are a mixture of both methods and I have lost 22lb.

Don't go overboard on non fast days but you really can have treats - I have had lots of meals out with cheesecake, christmas cake, stollen, panattone etc over these last few weeks but I have not put weight back on - of course weight loss has stopped smile but I am trying to just keep stable over the xmas period and then back to it in the New Year.

catsrus Thu 20-Dec-12 12:32:40

I'm jealous laska! a facial sounds brilliant right now - just on lunch break

Laska42 Thu 20-Dec-12 12:40:31

puds11 most people here seem to do their 500 in one emal.. having said that ive virtually always had two meals and ive lost 20lbs now since August .

We are all experimenting , but so far we think its important to get in 16hr period without eating at all , as that seems to work best for the other anticipated long term health benefits.

Youv'e joined us at good time. Take a look at the links above and youll find lots of info weve garnered so far and Dr Mosleys book ' The Fast Diet' in which he promses a through explanation of the science behind this WOE is due out in January ..

The great thing is that this ISNT a diet you can 'fail 'at but a totaly doable ongoing lifestyle option.. if you cant fast one day for any reason, then thers always the next day .. I love it!!

BTW puds arent naughty on this WOE , if you fast 2 days a week you can have them on food days!! grin this year fo rthe first time in years il be making mince pies AND actually eating some!!

Laska42 Thu 20-Dec-12 12:42:59

Im at work too Cats i had my 'Lunch' at 10.30 so i could go get it done!! (so really shouldnt be i on the net right now ! ) grin
wow that Souper green soup was good... this could be a new fast day find..
though i usualy make my own soups ..

catsrus Thu 20-Dec-12 12:52:23

oops posted too soon - yes, as I had 4 slices of toast and marmite for breakfast I can wait a while for any other actual food - my new found awareness of real hunger vs 'mouth hunger' means a nice milky coffee is just fine ATM. (the toast and marmite was lovely - real butter too grin)

I think a nice big batch of lentil curry would go down a treat today - feeding the dcs (who are all around for xmas) as well as myself. My usual trick of making huge vats of food and freezing portions for when I get in from work is just not happening - I turn my back and the pan is empty!

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 13:07:33

Last night was home made curry (Delia's frugal spiced chicken pilau) and beer (Lidl belgian - nom)
Tonight will be chilli prawns and steamed veg

for those feeling low on fruit and veg - on your eating days, swap puds for several pieces of fruit - grapes, apple, satsuma, dried apricots, figs, dates
then hitting the four or five is not hard

come summer when we can live on salads it gets even easier

Souper Thu 20-Dec-12 13:26:04

I eat a lot of soups on fast days (hence my nickname!) as I find them convenient to take to work with me. l Usually have shop bought ones as cooking isn't my strong point and the calorie count is right there On the pot! The Glorious Skinny range is quite good. Thanks for the tip about the Souper Green Soup from M&S, * Laska *.

Eating soup also keeps your veg intake up if you choose veg soup!

Also, I must say how much energy I am finding I have on a fast day. I was zipping round work yesterday and smiling at everyone - Completely bizarre, because if you knew me IRL you would know what a grump I usually am if I am busy!!

Aftereightsaremine Thu 20-Dec-12 13:37:06

Back on track lunch cancelled today so having a fast day. Yay. Or am I just sad that I'm more excited about fasting than I was about going out for lunch?! grin

Souper Thu 20-Dec-12 13:43:41

No not sad at all! I love my fast days. Going for my first attempt at two fasts consecutively today. Will let you know how it goes.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 13:46:07

Or is it that an unexpected fast day gives you the freedom to have an unexpected extra food day over Christmas!

Doing paperwork and organising today. Not even going to the gym. Just a steady supply of tea till supper.

Agree about soups being an excellent way to get veg portions - a whole tub of Covent Garden posh veg soup is all of 350 calories and three of your five a day.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Thu 20-Dec-12 13:47:01

Thank you so much smile

Souper i love soup and its about the only thing i can make so that will work well for me! I also bought a small flask recently so i will be able to take soup with me wherever i go grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 20-Dec-12 14:01:27

Snowkey some surgeries are riskier than others. The BMI is ofc a factor because all all of the (let's be blunt) fat in the way. If something goes wrong elsewhere (which often does) it can be very difficult physically for the doctor to find. And that is on top of the usual difficulty of getting the doctor to listen that something is wrong in the first place.

However, there is a specific problem with some of these surgeries, in that some of them remove or cut off sections of intestine. (I'm not sure they even still do these, but what I'm about to describe might apply to other bypass surgeries so I'll go ahead and say it) Our intestines are very long, and one of the reasons they are is so that our bodies can absorb the nutrients from the food as it passes along them. If this process is disrupted by bypassing sections, or removing, then the body isn't getting the nutrients it needs. This can happen even when the patient is taking the required vitamins which they are told to take to attempt to combat this.

I know we think in vague terms of what those nutrients are and what they do for us, but the consequences of not getting them can be very serious. I "know" someone online (a man in a cooking forum I frequented many years ago did a thread devoted to his wife's surgery and the meals they cooked) who went from happily losing loads of weight due to the surgery to passing out on the floor because one day, her legs couldn't hold herself up anymore. I don't recall the details but she was essentially disabled the last time I read an update. They did some research and her reaction was not as uncommon as the figures had led them to believe initially. This reaction was a couple of years down the line, I believe.

I should repeat, I believe her type of surgery is no longer done.

I believe "leaks" internally are also an issue.

I know many people on MN have had the current incarnation of the bypass surgery and are very happy with it. I am happy they are happy. grin I don't want to argue with people who have made the decision to do it. I just know that, for myself, I am not at a point where I would want to accept the risks which can arise. Others are. It's a very personal, serious decision to make.

AND I'm very sorry for having waffled on so long in our dear fasting thread. smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 20-Dec-12 14:02:01

"all all of the " er. That was meant to be "because of all of the". sigh.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 14:06:11

Greenegs
The anaemia was what led to family friend's death. I believe the NHS no longer offer the version where a metre of small intestine is removed - as it has dawned on the medics that the secretions at each stage of the system are different and essential.

Snowkey Thu 20-Dec-12 14:16:17

Thanks for the reply Green Eggs - I have encountered a few knife happy surgeons in my time - it's not a solution I'd enter into lightly to solve any medical problem but it's clear for some people it makes a life changing difference.

Love soup too - homemade for me as it tastes better - the Covent Garden stuff like many commercial varieties is high in salt, if that's a worry for you.

cynnerthenaughtyreindeer Thu 20-Dec-12 15:25:29

Fast day today for me..had a cup of tea in morning, then veg soup for lunch..I do seem to need to get something hot in my stomach at regular intervals otherwise feel sick..still have not been able to full sixteen without eating..

It'll come cynner

I normally have two meals within about 4/5hours rather than one big one and haven't quite managed 16hours for about 2 weeks what with exhaustion and illness.

Ok fast day yesterday, went a bit over in the end with a dram of whisky to aid the sore throat. Feed day today and forgot how good honey on toast is!

frenchfancy Thu 20-Dec-12 16:27:18

It will come it is true. At first I couldn't go 16 hours without food, now I go 24 hours on a fast day without really think about it. Just add an extra 30 minutes each fast day.

cynnerthenaughtyreindeer Thu 20-Dec-12 16:57:20

Thanks so much! I am currently suffering some hunger pains..keep repeating IT'S OK TO BE HUNGRY..IT'S OK TO BE HUNGRY..
I will try adding an extra 30 minutes each fast day..

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 16:57:44

agree about the something hot regularly ....
the other thing is to make sure that you stay hydrated when fasting.
I have accepted the extra 90 calories per fast day in exchange for 6 mugs of tea ....

ideally have a pint of water every couple of hours. drink a much as you can in one go. amazing how water sates hunger for over an hour !

Snowkey Thu 20-Dec-12 17:28:38

I have found that accepting the hunger and not trying to keep it at bay all the time helps, deep breathing helps me deal mentally with the pangs of hunger - actually deep breathing is an amazing way to use your bodies inner resources....remember how breathing helped labour pains, it helps me with depression too. I suppose if I were at all spiritual I'd extend it further and meditate.

literarygeek Thu 20-Dec-12 17:31:32

Hi all, finally getting a cup of chai and catching up.

snowkey, re weight loss surgery, agree with what has been said before but also the huge anaesthetic risks of being extremely overweight and also the prolonged wound healing associated with the same.

Re: soup and veggies- another vote for glorious soups- esp the skinny thai carrot- 240 cal in a pot.

I find myself absolutely craving things like oranges and fresh berries on fast days and I enjoy them all the more on feed days. Also, veggies are great low-cal options on fast days- I have recently discovered steamed leeks make a great mini meal! Sounds weird but really yummy with a bit of sea salt and freshly ground black pepper. And about 35-45 cal per leek!

I know, I sound very sad.

cynnerthenaughtyreindeer Thu 20-Dec-12 17:32:59

Too true TalkinPeace..I find myself being unusually thirsty on fast days..
Snowkey, thank you for the deep breathing tip..I used to do yoga and remember the breathing helped me with anxiety..

Aftereightsaremine Thu 20-Dec-12 17:37:15

I find lots of herbal teas helps. It's hot so it keeps you warm, it has flavour so cons you into thinking you are having something & it's virtually calorie free!

Didn't see the weight loss program but surgery is not an option I would choose. My dad had some of his stomach removed earlier this year because of cancer. It has taken him a very long time to recover & he still cannot eat several foods. He was & is a very fit man & swims or walks an hour every day.

Aftereightsaremine Thu 20-Dec-12 17:38:34

& it's just occurred to me that my dad has breakfast & lunch never dinner unless going out in which case he skips lunch!

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 17:39:54

Breathing :
My favourite at classes is this .....
Sit comfortably on a firm chair, but with your back at least four inches from the back of the chair, feet flat on the floor, back straight.
Breathe in and out through your nose
Count of three in, three out ; four in four out ; five in, five out
when you reach your maximum comfortable breath length, stay there for six breaths and then shorten it in a controlled way.
Once you are at eight in, eight out, time to add pauses
in for four, hold for four, out for four, hold for four
and build that up to six of each.

If you have a modern phone, download a metronome app so that your seconds actually are.

You'll find that the control of breath is a bit like the control of hunger - INCREDIBLY good for the brain.
Five or ten minutes a couple of times a day : a fab stress buster.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Thu 20-Dec-12 17:40:01

Do you think if i do 5:2 from now until the end of Jan, i can loose over half a stone?

How much exercise are you doing?

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 17:41:53

puds
depends where you are starting from ... I lose roughly 1lb per fast day but I'm a gym bunny :-)

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Thu 20-Dec-12 17:43:46

I plan on having saturday and monday as my first fast days. I am going to try and do some exercise every day, even if its just a little bit more than usual.

Snowkey Thu 20-Dec-12 18:10:39

Puds I exercise 5 times a week but I don't lose anything on 5:2, I don't have anything to lose - I eat a lot on my feed days, my body craves food to fuel the exercise.
See how it goes, do exercise because it makes you feel better, because it makes your body healthier and if it helps you to lose a bit of weight that's great but you have to exercise quite a bit to work off a daily Mars Bar.

Size10tobe Thu 20-Dec-12 19:05:39

Hi puds, yes I think that is very doable by mid Jan. I started 5:2 mid November and I have lost over 8 lbs in 5 weeks, my exercise consists of a 35 min walk to work 4 days a week, so almost non existent at the moment.smile

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 19:20:49

puds
I agree that is doable.

And I'm feeling STUFFED after my supper of king prawns fried in half a tin of ratatouille with some chilli on a bed of lettuce - 475 calories

My BMI is now dropping from 21 to 20 ... people starting from a higher point have lost faster than I, but almost everybody on this Way Of Eating is heading towards a lean body size - which is the aim. And once lean, like Snowkey, then its worth continuing for the other long term health benefits.

CecyHall France Thu 20-Dec-12 20:01:59

Have you all seen the thread in media requests asking for stories for MM's website to go along wth his book?

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 20:04:50

hmmm, media freeloading on the back of other people yet again

sorry but if what I have to say is worth them publishing, they can cough up.
Journos like la Toynbee are on £150,000 per year - I'm not.

CecyHall France Thu 20-Dec-12 20:10:20

I must be either less cynical or more naive than you TIP, I just thought it would be good to help others. As Michael Mosley has already got a lot of people started on this WOE and helped change people's lives by publicising 5:2, I'd gladly add tips and success stories. Except I haven't been very successful yet!

TalkinPeace2 Thu 20-Dec-12 20:15:05

Cecy
Yup, I'm a cynic!
Yonks ago I wrote a letter to a paper, got an article published about me, got interviewed on National radio, filmed for National TV - all for no pay.
When they wanted me to go to London to be filmed again I said that I'd like paying as they were clearly getting coverage out of my story.
Never heard from them again.

I have no problem with MM doing a book - but it will have gone to print weeks ago.
Any story requests now will turn up in the Newspapers bylined by overpaid journos.

CecyHall France Thu 20-Dec-12 20:20:34

It's for his website just to be clear, not his book.

starlady Thu 20-Dec-12 21:00:19

Been away at my work christmas dinner - so no fast today! -just wanted to say thanks to b&w for replying about the nutrients angle. Lots of walnut salad, brussel sprouts and parsnips so no worries today, and fasting tomorrow.

And TiP, I'm a writer too, so yes I agree with you. It's your profession, and you need to be paid!

starlady Thu 20-Dec-12 21:10:37

and thanks of course to everyone else who replied!

Bordercollielover Thu 20-Dec-12 22:48:14

Hello to Rosina Copper, that was one of my favourite books!

RosinaCopper Thu 20-Dec-12 23:55:30

So today I've tried to be really good and do a proper fast day. If I can just get my head properly around it all and get a set of meals sorted so that I know what I can eat on a fast day, I should be ok.

Bit of background - I'm 5'2", and at 10 stone 4 pounds currently weigh more than I ever have done. 18 months ago I weighed 8 stone 9 thanks to WW, but as I was bf twins while I was following their diet, it was easy to lose the baby weight, because I got double the daily points allowance (had extra for feeding each baby). So although losing the weight was relatively easy, keeping it off obviously hasn't been! I've dabbled with most of the diets going - and of course they all work (while you are following their rules) but what appeals to me about this WOE is that it totally makes sense in using it as a way to reduce weekly calorie intake and that perhaps it isn't so hard to say 'no' to a Twirl today, if I know I can have one tomorrow, if I still want one. I've had a couple of false starts with this since the MM programme, though, and just need to get my head properly around fast days I think, which is where threads like this and hearing success stories is just what I need.

I also thought that if I make what I'm doing public, I'm more likely to stick to it!

So, having read up on the Genesis diet, I had 300ml of milk and used it in coffees to get me through the morning (this meant I didn't get a 16 hour fast, though). At lunch I had a pitta bread. Then I made some biscuits for the school fair and had a couple of those (for quality control purposes!)That's it, apart from some sugar free chewing gum. So tomorrow, I'll have to try to get plenty of fruit and veg in, because I've eaten nothing with fibre in it today! Or shouldn't that be a problem?

RosinaCopper Thu 20-Dec-12 23:56:37

Bordercollielover - clearly one of mine too, but I rarely come across others who feel the same!

FlojoHoHoHo Fri 21-Dec-12 01:20:29

So I blew the diet and got totally and utterly slaughtered instead. Does that mean if I fast tomorrow it doesn't matter?

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 02:01:34

FlojoHoHoHo -! Drink a litre of water and go to bed that used to be my way of cancelling it out :D

Rosina people often have 100 cals worth of skimmed milk for tea or coffee through thge day then 400 cal for dinner or split the cals in to a lunch and breakfast of 200 cals and eat something like soup or eggs. However I appear to have lost 2 lb this week by eating gingerbread so whatever works!

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 02:10:02

Also Rosina it seems to work well if people avoid bread on a fast day for foods that are more filling, this is prob good for having a flat tummy the next day too, although you can have bread - I don't think there are rules about how you should use the cals its just worth experimenting with what works for you.

If you only use 100 cals for your hot drinks then you can eat a normal balanced meal at dinner - roast dinners have come up a few times as satisfiying when the food is weighed and cals worked out on My fitness Pal.

I count the calories used in tea and coffee but don't really count it as breaking the fast. No way can I start the day without a cup of tea swiftly followed by a strong coffee.

Have got back into the bad habit of snacking constantly on feed days rather than having proper meals. Never mind. Last fast day tomorrow for a week!!! Argh....

Nettee Fri 21-Dec-12 09:15:30

Hello - just a quick message from a lurker to say this thread and all the links are really helpful and interesting. I am only doing 2 fast days through christmas week as an experiment and to minimise Christmas gain (usually on slimming world).

Was really surprised how I got through yesterday without feeling very hungry - although I did feel really lethargic and almost jet lagged in the evening. Not sure what to do today now - trying to re trigger my hunger by eating bigger than usual portions.

Will try again next Thursday and see how I get on. Might come back to this woe after I have finished breast feeding.

Good luck to you all with it

catsrus Fri 21-Dec-12 09:58:29

Hi Rosina welcome!

I have to have milk in tea - and can't start the day without large quantities of it - and I've lost 22lb so really it is a small thing to worry about - just find the pattern of fasting that works for you.

It really does get very easy after a few months - it's not a "diet" as such - so you can never "fall off the wagon" with a treat, we are basically learning to adjust what we eat to either lose weight or stay at a stable weight. It's a bit like learning to drive and getting the hang of accelerator control, learning to ease off and slow down. It takes a while but then becomes second nature - my ex SIL asked me if I was still fasting and I realised that I didn't think of it as 'fasting' anymore - just some days I don't eat much to compensate for the days when I do - I really do feel like I have control over my weight now (finally!) and happily ate Christmas cake this week with not the slightest feeling of guilt grin

Laska42 Fri 21-Dec-12 10:25:43

Yo Ho ho smile all, well i've finished work for the break and starting my serious Christmas cooking today , (wot ?! haven't made a cake yet? Ee're not having one this year but DH doing a pannetone instead and ill be making h/m mince pies (h/m mincemeat too !!) Yea I love mince pies but haven't eaten more than half of one for years as always felt so bad doing so because WW telling me JUST how fattening they are ! So THOSE are going to be my Christmas treat..(I can live without all the other snack

So my plan is to eat light from now until Christmas eve evening when it all starts round here ...miss lunch today and possibly tomorrow and fast again Sunday/Monday during the day)

'Official' Friday WI shows STS in weight for me today but that's from a loss earlier this week .. hovering just above the 10st .which is utterley brilliant considering I was almost a stone and a half heavier when I started this in August . Hopefully this time next week ill be roughly the same weight but this is a WOE so ill be back fasting on the 27th (and no doubt with relief..)

I never thought when I started this that id actually prefer my fasting days.. I'm not obsessive ,I love my food and cooking and eating so its not about the not eating so much but its the feeling of energy and clarity you feel (oh yes ,and all the lovely new frocks )grin grin grin

Laska42 Fri 21-Dec-12 11:41:00

Well call me a media tart but I've just emailed the media person .. if it is for Dr Ms website its got to be good , and If not well , yes I may be making some journos life easier . but I think the message about the benefits of this WOE does need to be spread ..

Cyclistist - (where are you Bro?) said a while ago that 5:2 its a bit like a cult or a political movement .. I agree * Come Comrades (or fellow Evangelists) Now is the time to free more people from the tyranny of New Year miracle diets!*grin (clenched fist emotion!)

Right off to cook up a Christmas calorific storm.. but i wont be eating until this evening

ErikNorseman Fri 21-Dec-12 11:56:06

Hello! Just weighed in again and I've now lost 4-5lbs. I'm going to go with 4 and put my starting weight at 12.7 although it fluctuated. So 4lb loss in 2 weeks!
I have fasted more than 2 days per week, I have just gone with fasting any day I don't have plans with friends, so I think I have done 5/6? I haven'tstuck to 500 though, about 600-700. I am really so pleased to have discovered this, it is so easy and is working!

Snowkey Fri 21-Dec-12 12:23:13

I'm currently trying to recover from my second bout of flu since starting fasting in August and i mean proper flu with raised temp and aches and pains. My Mum is convinced that fasting twice a week has lowered my resistance to infection. She might be right, there was some suggestion that the reason why people didn't live longer years ago, despite fasting through food shortage was that it did lower your resistance to infection and infection was what people mostly died from back them - thing is I can't remember where I heard that from - I'm sure it was a podcast, I'd like to listen to it again.

Will probably go see my GP after Christmas and ask about getting my bloods done, I haven't had a flu since 1996 and then I get it twice within 3 months of starting fasting - it may be a coincidence but it's something that I need to give more thought to.

Laska42 Fri 21-Dec-12 12:54:18

Snowkey.. sorry to hear you are ill. but just for the record (but of course this can no way be counted as evidence either way ) i've never felt healthier.. haven't had one cold so far since starting this and there's been tons of nasty viruses going around at work. Maybe you've just been unlucky .

TalkinPeace2 Fri 21-Dec-12 13:21:25

Snowkey
I would have to disagree with your Mum. The winter cold that is going round is a stinker and is indiscriminate in who it hits. Stay warm and hydrated.

Weighed in today.
No loss, no gain. But hey! I've lost the stone I planned to this term. I'm at a healthy weight that I could contentedly maintain for the rest of my life. I'm really looking forward to Christmas. But am also looking forward to fasting again in the New Year.
And that is why this WOE works.
Because we all seem to actively look forward to the restriction days
rather than dread the grind of week after week of banned foods.

Erik
If you can manage at least one strictly to 500 its linked to the metabolic chemical changes that will do you extra good when weight loss is just a memory.

Nettee
there are a couple of others doing breast feeding and fasting
the main thing is to stay healthy so you and littl'un both thrive

Flojo
Getting slaughtered is fine, so long as you give your liver a PROPER rest a couple of days a week (proper = total = no booze)

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 13:24:54

Snowkey sorry your feeling ill. I remember at one point a lot of people on here had colds but not so much lately, maybe your body will settle down if it is linked with fasting. We have had a couple of bugs in our hosehold (3 children under 7 ) but I only got very slight symptoms for one of those really. Feeling pretty good in general (knocks wood) x

Snowkey Fri 21-Dec-12 13:39:36

If my risk of infection has increased as a result of fasting it will become more apparent, in the meantime this study may suggest it has some effect.

jem.rupress.org/content/103/1/109.full.pdf

Laska42 Fri 21-Dec-12 13:49:46

Have heard back from the media contact .. It is for Dr Mosley's Fast Diet website..

TalkinPeace2 Fri 21-Dec-12 14:02:24

Snowkey
That paper is from 1955 ; it talks of making mice fast for 36 hours
FFS - that's like making a person for with no food for ten days [hmmm]
no wonder the poor little buggers got sick
later in the paper they inject virus into the mouse lung and then deprive it of food for 48 hours - and in that time the mice lost between 10 and 20 % of their bodyweight. shock
But in the conclusion it shows that letting them eat sensibly had no negative impact on recovery.

Or to put it another way, do not starve yourself when ill.

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 14:19:35

Sorry I can't remember her name and don't have time to check back at the mo but the blogger who was on here a while back (probably thread 7) reference a study, I think in a nursing home, where there were significantly lower rates of hospitisation and lower (but not significantly lower) rates of death death amongst the ADF group (the fasting calories were higher than 500 though - possibly 900?)

virginposter Fri 21-Dec-12 14:28:44

Laska

I'm a bit confused. Does Dr MM have a Fast Diet website already or is it currently being constructed?

Laska42 Fri 21-Dec-12 14:33:43

its being constructed .. will be up when the new book is out in January

virginposter Fri 21-Dec-12 15:30:36

Thanks. I've pre-ordered his book and hopefully some of our questions will be answered within.

I'm currently laid low with flu but I completely missed the horrid D&V bug that touched everyone I know a month ago - so who knows?

I tend to not get colds but this year generally have had a few, I personally think its America I'm allergic to wink

Bought in my favorite fasting soup for today - I normally have half that and sons eggs or whatever but each half is only 170kcal so in going to spoil myself and have the whole ruddy lot as my fast day food - cant wait!

Breadandwine Fri 21-Dec-12 17:41:09

pookey That was ThegirlinBrighton - and the quote you were thinking of is:

In their paper these researchers discuss a 1957 paper from the Spanish medical literature.

…the subjects were eating, on alternate days, either 900 calories or 2300 calories, averaging 1600, and that body weight was maintained. Thus they consumed either 56% or 144% of daily caloric requirement. The subjects were in a residence for old people, and all were in perfect health and over 65. Over three years, there were 6 deaths among 60 study subjects and 13 deaths among 60 ad lib-fed controls, non-significant difference. Study subjects were in hospital 123 days, controls 219, highly significant difference. We believe widespread use of this pattern of eating could impact influenza epidemics and other communicable diseases by improving resistance to infection. In addition to the health effects, this pattern of eating has proven to be a good method of weight control, and we are continuing to study the process in conjunction with the NIH."

I came across it in this very interesting blog:

www.proteinpower.com/drmike/intermittent-fasting/fast-way-to-better-health/

It was on the Links thread along with loads of other good stuff! smile

Bordercollielover Fri 21-Dec-12 18:27:30

Do we have contact details for the Dr M website person? There a lots of people on here now who have lost significant amounts of weight but I have not noticed anyone mentioning a problem with baggy skin which I think is a concern on some weightloss methods: yet another benefit perhaps, that skin cells are better able to cope?
Rosina did you come across Red Conker or Rolf of Red Ridges, both about the same era?

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 19:54:17

Thanks B&W, that was the one I meant. So they put forward that alternate day calorie restriction could improve resistance to infection. Interesting. Studies have an annoying tendency to contradict each other so who knows. Funny that this was tried 50 years ago but didn't really catch on.

BCL interesting if that is the case? I wonder if it's mainly people who lose maybe 10 stone who suffer that side affect though (I know someone who this happened to).

Breadandwine Fri 21-Dec-12 21:23:59

"Funny that this was tried 50 years ago but didn't really catch on."

Hi pookey this was the reason ThegirlinBrighton gave:

"...one of the studies, the Spanish research that was ignored for so long due to translation errors, was so interesting with regards to people living longer and better even though they only started intermittent fasting very late in life. "

My question is, "6 deaths among 60 study subjects and 13 deaths among 60 ad lib-fed controls" is seen as non-significant. Why? I would have thought that over twice as many deaths amongst the controls would be highly significant!

dontcallmehon Fri 21-Dec-12 21:56:15

Grr. Today my grandad asked if I was anorexic! I am 5'7 and 9 stone 3. So yes, slim, but not underweight and in no way anorexic! I was quite cross. I have never felt better. Apparently I look awful. I probably did today, as I am recovering from a bad cold and had no make up on. Still, why is it ok to make horrible comments about healthy slim people? I have had an eating disorder, but no one commented as my BMI was 23 or 24. I am much healthier now, but I don't look as they'd like me to look, basically. I get so annoyed! Especially as this WOE means I will never binge eat again: the root of my previous issues.

Ah well, you can't please everyone.

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 23:27:14

DCMH I have had the same thing in the past - comments because i weigh too much and comments if i weigh too little, not much room to manouevere where people will be happy!

BandW yes, I thought that was strange too! I guess it is too small a statistic and could be an anomolay? Maybe this kind of diet would have been seen as too faddy for the 50s especially following on from the war and forced calorie deprivation and also weight gain wasn't quite the issue it is now.

don't sweat it dontcallmehon it may have been his misguided attempt at checking you are ok if you've lost a significant amount of weight quite quickly, others will be jealous. Yes, you're slim at 5'7" and 9stone 3lbs but as you say not underweight - you know when you ahve something in control and you have managed to find a WOE that has meant you getting to a shape and size you are happy with.

I think anybody will exerscise caution with those they love if they have lost a significant amount of weight, I know I teeter between making sure someone knows I've noticed if they want it to be noticed, but being aware of not bringing somthing up or exacerbating a problem someone might have. Maybe I've just come across too many eating disordered people in my life - as many because they OVERate as well as those who UNDERate

Ugh I feel rotten with this blimming cold. Ate all my chiopinno soup at lunchtime - 340kcals, plus my usual 100kcals set aside for tea and coffee, then had 2 dairy milk squares so have probably gone over already and it's only 3:30pm! Boo. If I can make it through the rest of the day wihtout anything (to be honest I'm stuffed, don't really fancy eating with this cold and will probably be in bed shortly after the DC anyway) then it'll be fine, otherwise a failed fast....boooooo

pookey Fri 21-Dec-12 23:43:34

ATD I think when your ill you have to follow your body a bit. If you keep your calories low by eating healthily the rest of the day its not a fail! A lot of women seem to go for the men's 600 - that means you could have 140 cals of soup and possibly still have the fasting affect? That Spanish study we just mentioned allowed 900 cals!

Breadandwine Sat 22-Dec-12 00:03:16

pookey and ATB when I began, back in February, I began with two days of 50% calories a week, and I still lost weight steadily. I only went for the full 600 calories when I heard about the other health benefits in August.

So I'm sure that one or two days going over you allowance will have no effect at all. And if it makes you feel better...

Maybe the old adage 'Starve a fever and feed a cold' had something going for it! smile

Yeah I know - even if I gorge in a toasted sandwich or something I'll probably absolutely max out at 900, and it's the third fast this week. Just that I won't be fasting for god knows how long now!

Piebaldrider Sat 22-Dec-12 07:43:09

Anyone seen my BUM i seem to have lost it grin grin grin

virginposter Sat 22-Dec-12 07:46:51

I think it's eloped with mine! This week someone said that my bum and thighs have disappeared grin

Piebaldrider Sat 22-Dec-12 08:32:13

After the initial fat loss on my trunk the thighs started to slim and then suddenly my bum was half the size. I still have some stuborn lower abdominal blubber that is hanging on as hard as it can but i am so happy with the way this is unfolding and my target seems very achievable . The best christmas present ever smile

Bordercollielover Sat 22-Dec-12 09:52:00

Just a thought to add to the recent discussion about exact calories for fast days , and the 900 allowed in the Spanish study. I am not suggesting anyone change from the 25% calories on fast days because that is the best guideline we currently have, but am thinking there may turn out to be a parallel with recent research on Intermittemt Intervals in exercise, and the crucial part may be the difference between the intake on eating days vs the intake on fasting days rather than the exact numbers. Tis would fit in with PiebaldRiders observations way back on a much earlier thread about mixing things up so your body can't get used to a pattern?? just a musing, no science involved!!
No one has EVER (yet) told me I am too thin, but another reason that some people are getting these comments may just be that here in the Western world we have a wrong mental image of how a body should be and expect to see layers of fat? I know for certain this is true for horse and pet owners who ruin their animals' short lives by stuffing them with food because the mental image they have is of an animal which is fat for the show ring, not lithe and healthy. So it probably applies to people too!

Skinnyeye Sat 22-Dec-12 10:12:15

Hi Losers heading off for Christmas later today and just wanted to pop in and wish you guys all the very best for the holidays. Heading down to Argyle and highly unlikely I will get an internet connection grin

Finding fasting really difficult with all the Christmas nonsense going on I abandoned both fasts this week and am already gaining weight. Old habits have returned and I am snacking and drinking too much. Not freaking out though as I know with this WOE I can get it back under control when life gets back to normal.

Aftereightsaremine Sat 22-Dec-12 12:56:52

Don't stress about skinny it's a WOE for life not a diet. That's what I love you can pig out if you choose & then hop back on when you feel like it.

border you have a point I remember seeing the new forest ponies & thinking how thin they looked. Maybe they are meant to look like that!

I've decided not to do any more fast until dcs back to school on 7th January not unless I manage to squeeze one in somewhere.

Happy Christmas to everyone & for the first time in years mince pies & Christmas cake without any guilt. Yippee grin

catsrus Sat 22-Dec-12 13:12:59

I've not a 'proper' fast for quite a while now (10 days?) blush and have been eating treats and drinking wine and having meals at 10pm blush blush but I am trying to go without food for as long as possible from getting up. Weekends only do I have breakfast these days. So far so good - still at 22lb lost this morning. I'm hoping I'm getting the hang of eating like a slim person !

I've had the "you don't need to lose anymore" comment - but I do want to get my waist to 30" - currently at 33"

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Dec-12 14:06:45

Hello everyone! wine Last fast day today for a while, I think. I will try to get two in in-between Christmas and NYE, maybe a third if it's not a proper fast. smile I am not going to stress over it, but I think I've got a good idea of what the days will be like (after having Thanksgiving and other holiday meals whilst doing this WOE) and I think I'll feel better for having the fast days. It helps, though, that we won't have a lot of family here trying to feed us up.

We'll just have my own awesome baked goods, roast dinner, and homemade Bailey's to contend with! grin And since we've got the week off, I suspect we'll be visiting the Mediterranean cafe in town for some mezze if they're open (great food, good service, and I think it's a good idea to support them during the holiday season) and probably a few other places over the course of the week as I'll be all cooked out.

It's good to hear about the Spanish study. I was planning on doing something similar to try to get my TOTM back on track for TTC in the new year. I will go back to proper fasts when I'm past this stage of my life but I think having regular TOTM again would be good for family planning for now.

eclecticbabe Sat 22-Dec-12 15:22:39

For those who find the food boring, please feel free to try out my recipes. I'm gradually writing up everything I try on my blog under 5:2 diet recipes and I'd love any feedback or anything you'd like me to have a go at creating a recipe for.

It's actually not that hard to adapt most recipes - I've even got a pizza recipe that comes in at under 100 calories a slice (though it does use cauliflower for a base!)

eclecticbabe Sat 22-Dec-12 15:24:21

Oh and good luck to everyone over christmas! I'm not planning on trying to do too much fasting right now, but for the most part I don't find it too hard

TalkinPeace2 Sat 22-Dec-12 15:52:56

Not fasting till New Year but am currently SO stressed that I'm burning lots of calories. Will calm down in time for supper in New York tomorrow.

virginposter Sat 22-Dec-12 17:58:17

I did a fast yesterday I'm doing one tomorrow too as I'm hoping to put off too many indulgencies untill Christmas Eve. Then I'm going to have whatever I like for a few days then back into another fast. Trying to limit the damage is my goal but we'll see what the scales say later.
Not too worried either as I know it will all start moving again in the NY.
Seasons greetings to all and a very Healthy New Year grin

FoodieToo Sat 22-Dec-12 22:11:49

No fasting for me till January!

Merry Christmas fellow foodies !!

xkcdfangirl Sat 22-Dec-12 23:25:09

I just did my first Fast day today - no breakfast, 200cal lunch (boiled egg & small bit of dry toast) 300cal supper (123cal quorn peppered steak, 100cal-worth of potato wedges, 75 cal worth of peas). I seem to have survived but I am peckish and would really like another snack before I sleep - counting down the minutes till breakfast. Hopefully it'll get easier though!

I'm considering trying to Fast again on the 24th (no social events that day so won't be awkward) - is the second day of fasting easier or harder than the first? and is it easier if the gap between fast days is one, two or three days?

Can I really actually eat what I want on the eating days? Seriously? with all this double cream about at this time of year? Or is the effectiveness of the plan relliant on you policing your calories even on eating days.

Breadandwine Sat 22-Dec-12 23:39:46

"is the second day of fasting easier or harder than the first? and is it easier if the gap between fast days is one, two or three days?

Can I really actually eat what I want on the eating days? Seriously? with all this double cream about at this time of year? Or is the effectiveness of the plan relliant on you policing your calories even on eating days."

xkcdfangirl It does get easier - and a gap of one day is probably the most popular method. I fast on Monday's and Wednesday's - but you'll find your own way as you get into it;
You can eat what you want - but not how much you want. You do need to keep an eye on what you're eating, even on the feed days.

It really is a flexible strategy which you can pick up and put down when it suits you. But read back and look at others' experiences - you'll learn a lot from that.

Good luck! And Happy Christmas to you - and to everyone!

BecBro4 Sun 23-Dec-12 00:17:52

xkc - I found the second day of fasting so much easier and the third day didn't even feel i was doing anything smile

The one thing i have noticed is if i drink alcohol or soft drinks on my feed days then i crave food and snacks in general (the saltier the better) on my fast days. so i am now limiting all my soft drinks and alcohol.

off to do another 30 day shred wink

FlojoHoHoHo Sun 23-Dec-12 00:30:04

Well today was supposed to be a fasting day but by 4pm I was ravenous then DP unexpectedly dropped by and I ended up cooking pasta for us so that was that.
I drink so much tea in a day that I have no cals left for food so it really would be a fasting day.
I am going to try again tomorrow.
I need to exercise more tho, I am so unfit, has anyone got any advice on how I can exercise at home? I really struggle with motivation at home, tried Wii zumba and a couple of dvds but never seem to stick to them. As I have kids, going out isn't really an option. Anyone any ideas?

FlojoHoHoHo Sun 23-Dec-12 00:31:26

What is the 30 day shred? Is it a dvd?

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 23-Dec-12 00:38:11

xkcd it does get easier. And I highly recommend watching calories on non-fast days. You don't eat low-calorie on those days, but you should try to stick to your TDEE (link in the OP) give or take a bit. Obviously this time of year we're all eating lots of treats (I'm just happy I'm not gaining now tbh!) but I think on average you should just be eating a normal amount of food. The TDEE helps you know what "normal" is for your height/weight/activity range.

Flojo why does your tea have so many calories? Are you using sugar? I think you will struggle with this if you're drinking 500 calories worth of tea! smile I recommend Jillian Michaels' 30 Day Shred for a short but effective DVD.

BecBro4 Sun 23-Dec-12 00:49:12

what Greeneggs said smile it is a brilliant dvd with workouts that are only 20 minutes in length each so easy for me to fit in. I couldn't do a push up when i started i can now do 25 in a row shock

Piebaldrider Sun 23-Dec-12 07:00:03

I haven't been around much the last two weeks , there are a number of reasons why but im still working towards my goals.

During my time away i have to confess that last week i only managed 6:1 and because i have been poorly this week i didn't manage a complete fast at all. However Monday i fasted 18 hours , Tues and Weds i fasted 24 hours with nothing but black coffee. I was fine with this and lost just over a pound and i lost a pound last week too on 6.1. I didn't go to the gym or ride my horse for at least a week and during that time i ate and drank whatever i wanted when in a non fasting period. So i think that over the Christmas period i will do much the same and just not eat when i don't need or want too. It seems to me that on occasions we can keep it going for a while even if we are not doing the full 5.2 . My stomach has definitely shrunk recently and i cant eat anything like the amount i used too and I often find if i eat lunch i don't want anything now in the evenings.

Merry Christmas to you all .

literarygeek Sun 23-Dec-12 11:14:15

flojo lots of people like 30 day shred. It helped me after dd1. If you get bored of workouts, look for the blogilates channel on YouTube or try blogilates.com. There's loads of free workouts on there and the trainer releases a new workout calendar every month so you don't get bored doing the same thing all the time. I was just doing it today and there's a problem with the website right now, it looks a bit weird, but the YouTube channel is working just fine.

Laska42 Sun 23-Dec-12 18:48:14

Hi all fasting again today , then will again on 27th , today has been fine despite cooking Christmas food ( but was doing ham and pate so couldn't nibble it .. I deliberately saved the mince pie making for tomorrow!.

Yesterday though I had my first stonking hangover in years .. despite not having that much wine compared to what I used to put away ,, (but yes it was still over half a bottle), I think my alcohol tolerance has gone down , but oh did I pack the carbs away also yesterday .. something I don't do much these days either. and woke this morning REALLY hungry ..

someone ( sorry cant remember who) , wanted the web site contact .. its on the media requests thread. but its for the website builder , not DR M himself so they wont be able to answer a specific questions regarding slack skin .. Dr Mosley is on twitter and he does seem to be answering some peoples questions/.. perhaps it might be best to try there ..

Well if I don't get back on tomorrow . Here's wishing a great Christmas to all my 5:2 friends winewine and to say thanks for all the great support and banter we've had over the last few months .. I'm pretty sure that after the New year , we will no longer be the 'select group' we have been! grin

Have a good time , and remember we cant fail .. all we need to do is remember to get back on the fasting waggon after.

FlojoHoHoHo Sun 23-Dec-12 21:00:02

I will have a look on amazon for the shred dvd then and give it a try.
I'm not sure how many cals are in my brew, I have it milky with 1 sugar and drink about 5 or 6 a day.

rachelblythe Sun 23-Dec-12 21:01:14

Hi everyone!
Just a quicky to also wish everyone a fabulous xmas! Looking forward to hearing how you all enjoy the festive food without any guilt. that's certainly what's happening here anyway. Although i have to admit i am looking forward to a fast between xmas and new year,.firstly to counteract the overindulging which has already begun, but also I'm already feeling quite bloated and uncomfortable in the evenings due to a lower than average intake of nice nutritional, easily digestible food. Too many chocolates and baked goods around!

Iwearblack Sun 23-Dec-12 21:03:03

Yes xkcd the fast days do get easier! I used to have to have emergency fruit in my office 'just in case' I cracked and found it hard to get to lunchtime without having a snack (and that was after having a small breakfast). I now don't have breakfast and can last until tea time .... A 24 hr fast may not be long in coming (as I know lots of posters manage). Never thought i could do that when I started 3 months ago.... And now am the lightest I have been in 15 yrs! (BMI still over 25 though).
Have a good christmas y'all. Thanks for all sharing your tips and encouragement. Will be back after new year to see how we are all doing! grin

frenchfancy Sun 23-Dec-12 21:09:58

Joyeuse Noël everyone. smile

No fasts until the 27th now hopefully won't undo too much of the good work.

Yes Laska, I'm sure in the New Year there will be many more joining the fold, especially if they re-run the Horizon programme to coincide with the book launch (I certainly would if I were in charge)

FlojoHoHoHo Sun 23-Dec-12 23:00:28

Not had a proper fast day yet and not likely til 26th now. But I didnt have much today just wrong things and I'm in bed feeling rather hungry but satisfied that I made it through the evening without finishing off the 3 mince pies that are left in the box!

pookey Sun 23-Dec-12 23:29:18

Laska your post was lovely. The will power on here is really inspiring me to try and fast tomorrow. Maybe 900 will allow a couple of choccies whilst wrapping the last presents tomorrow smile

GreenEggs a modidifed fast is sounding like a very good idea for ttc, how lovely to be planning that smile

Happy christmas all if I don't log on tomorrow!

tiggy114 Mon 24-Dec-12 08:20:04

Well i havn't been aeound because i've had the dreaded norovirus. However, the upside of this is it was very easy to do a 2 day fast!!!! I have dropeed under 170 pounds so very chuffed as i was stuck. Over all though, i havn't lost loads of weight, but my belly looks smaller and softer. Less solid and bloated. I definately look thinner. Anyone else found this? And my stomach has def shrunk. I've just stopped eating for the sake of it! Even over xmas, i'm not bothered!!!! Amazing!

Breadandwine Mon 24-Dec-12 10:02:19

Fasting today - going for 20 hours instead of 24 - and I'm not sure if I'll stick to less than 600 cals for my evening meal.

Not really bothered, since I can easily do some sort of a fast on Boxing Day and I've been pretty good up to now.

Best wishes to all my friends on this lovely thread - have a good one (or two) wink! smilesmilesmile winewine wine

mollysfolly England Mon 24-Dec-12 10:30:48

Ciao everyone! Have just returned from a wonderful 4 days in Venice to celebrate our 15th wedding anniversary. Don't know if I've put much, if any, weight back on - we walked our legs off so surely that will have helped smile. The breakfasts at the hotel were continental so a bit carby but we just had a couple of cichetti (like tapas) at lunchtime with a couple of prosecco or soave then a good meal in the evenings.

Fasting today!! Working till 2pm then busy wrapping prezzies and doing some baking for DD as we're having Christmas Day with her, so busy busy.

Merry Christmas to you all smile

Breadandwine Mon 24-Dec-12 10:43:55

My granddaughter has reminded me that yesterday I recommended this website to a couple of women who were browsing in the diet book section of WH Smith's - turns out their father had just been diagnosed with diabetes.

I think I embarrassed my beautiful granddaughter but she forgives me now!

Merry christmas to all of you and enjoy your family time grin

literarygeek Mon 24-Dec-12 11:22:30

Congratulations, molly! Mmm makes me feel hungry for Italian food.

tiggy glad you're feeling better in time for Xmas.

B&W did you take the opportunity to do some vegangelism too?? Your poor granddaughter!

Happy Christmas everyone!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 24-Dec-12 11:36:01

oh yes, B&W, I recommended this thread to a friend at a toddler group on Friday. I'll have just outed myself if she's reading, of course, luckily I don't post anything too controversial. wink

I'm actually doing a partial fast today, myself. I didn't fast yesterday but I didn't go overboard at all, either. We had a filling evening meal, though, so I thought I should go ahead and not eat today until evening. No big eating plans today either but I'll be partaking in the homemade Baileys wine and some spinach dip.

As tiggy says, I'm not craving the Christmas foods as much this year, which is crazy. We have mince pies in the house but I've yet to have one.

I do have an Italian fig cookie recipe that I've wanted to attempt, and I have all the ingredients, so I'll be doing them at some point. smile

Merry Christmas, everyone. grin grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 24-Dec-12 11:36:40

molly am jealous! One of these days I'll get to Italy. Happy Anniversary!

Breadandwine Mon 24-Dec-12 11:42:49

lg no vegangelism this time (great word, I'll appropriate that, thanks!) - in fact I do very little of that.

And my GD added the last two lines of my last post (I would have had to capitalise 'Christmas'!)

Now, where's the mixing bowl and the bread flour? grin

Need to make a Christmas loaf!

Scalehopper Mon 24-Dec-12 12:35:58

Hi all! Just found this thread. Starting this plan in the new year, got lots to lose so looking forward to hanging around (if that's ok!) and learning lots. Merry Xmas to all smile

Just wanted to pop in and wish everyone here a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. See you all in the new year when no doubt I will be desperately in need of a Fast or ten.
Take care all and I hope all your Christmas wishes come true!!!!!

mumrunner Mon 24-Dec-12 22:46:06

Just wanted to say Merry Christmas to everyone. Will be back on this WOE with DH on the New Year, he's so impress on this WOE that will be doing it together.

Breadandwine Wed 26-Dec-12 17:17:32

All quiet on the waistline front! grin

Intended to fast at least until dinnertime tonight, but the Boxing Day brunch caused me to change my mind! I didn't go over the top yesterday, so I shouldn't have put the last hole in my belt under any jeopardy. Shall eat normally now for the rest of the week and fast again on Monday.

Hope the lack of activity on this thread is an indicator that everyone one has been behaving themselves over the last couple of days - and that normal service will be resumed soon.

BTW, did I hear Dr M's book is due for release on the 27th Feb?

ATB, B&W

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 26-Dec-12 17:37:26

buh. I toyed with the idea of fasting today but we just don't have anything going on in the house other than food, TV, and playing with gifts, so it's not a fast day. grin I want to say I'm not going overboard, but I guess it's more like "I'm not eating nearly as much as I would have done last year." I had a turkey sandwich at lunch (no breakfast), a few chocolates, a piece of fudge, and soon I'll have some leftovers for dinner.

I am very likely going to fast tomorrow, though. I don't think I can let myself go too many days like this without one!

Hope everyone is enjoying themselves out there!

Have only had one ral each day the last two days but they have been MASSIVE meals lasting several hours! Home made curry tomorrow and bacon but ties for breakfast, will be kind of fasting on 28th (tis DDs naming ceremony so might just uses up all 500cals in champagne), next one on 2nd jan...eeeek

On the plus side was really worried about telling mum I'm now a size 10, she bought me some jeans for Christmas and....they're a bit roomy, YAY,

Let's see what size I am by next week though!

frenchfancy Thu 27-Dec-12 08:45:30

Back on the wagon today, full fast today then half on Saturday. I've certainly not been dieting the past few days, but I was a little less glutinous than usual. Didn't have seconds, had one or 2 chocolates rather than the entire box ...

I haven't felt deprived at all, but haven't felt unpleasantly stuffed (or drunk) either which has helped me enjoy this Christmas more than any I can remember.

I have put on some weight, but I am hoping it is bloating and that a couple of fast days will see it gone.

Hope you all had a good one too.

catsrus Thu 27-Dec-12 09:53:15

Hi all

Well I managed to get out of Christmas grazing by doing tons of cooking lol! Tried to last as long as possible each day before eating, then tried to eat like a thin person. Have had all the trimmings including roasties, Xmas pud and custard on the day, lots of wine and port to finish - yesterday I had 5 delicious luxury chocks and 4 after eights and a ton of advocaat blush but a reasonably modest roast dinner. We picked up some "vintage" dinner plates from a charity shop - the old smaller size - and we're trying to use those as our default.

According to this morning's WI I haven't put on any weight shock but I know that sometimes it chases you and catches up later - so a fast day today methinks. Have made a hearty leftovers soup for everyone else - so will also make a lightweight red cabbage borscht.

The one thing I haven't tackled is Christmas cake - its my nemesis, I love it, but my dcs don't - I bought a small one but have not dared open it as its usually me who finishes it off. I want to be able to have some but not all of it so I have to face the demon at some point ......

Hope very one has had a lovely time with lots of treats smile

raspberryroop Thu 27-Dec-12 10:36:19

Hi wondering if I could sign up ?

Breadandwine Thu 27-Dec-12 11:13:52

You just did!

Welcome, raspberry! The more the merrier! grin

raspberryroop Thu 27-Dec-12 11:58:28

Thanks ,fasting today for the 1st time .About5 stone to loose ,have lost it before on low carb but really looking for work weight loss and know I' m better at total abstinence than regulation as in Sw & WW

virginposter Thu 27-Dec-12 14:59:06

Well, tried to be good and suceeded partly by skipping breakfast each day. Like others have tried to limit the damage and was going to fast today but have been invited to friends so that put paid to that. Will try for a fast tomorrow and Sunday and enjoy 31st then for sure back to real fasting on 1st Jan.
Have to finish this Xmas cake first tho' grin

virginposter Thu 27-Dec-12 15:01:05

B&W amazon say 10 Jan for Dr MM book.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 27-Dec-12 15:05:40

Definite fast day today. I'll be slightly over 500 calories but that'll be fine. Tis 3pm and I'm already feeling better for it. smile

Laska42 Thu 27-Dec-12 16:18:26

hi all , blimey 2 days of overeating and im really hoping that the scales were just having an off day this morning.... its simply not possible to put on 6lbs in 2 days is it..? I think it was the carbs (mainly crisps mince pies & roasties) as I eat very few these days ..

Anyway I woke with a sore and bloated tummy this morning , too much rich food .. Ive not deliberately fasted today but am having a 'veggie only' day in an effort to get my system 'back to normal' (ahem. not too much info here I hope?) smile. and am now feeling much better. but I'm pretty sure ill be having some wine tonight again

But planning a proper fast again tomorrow now ..and looking forward to it ..

Laska42 Thu 27-Dec-12 16:19:37

cats great idea .. the old plates ..

Laska42 Thu 27-Dec-12 16:22:06

also *Cats please can you post your red cabbage borscht recipe?.. I have a red cabbage needing using up ... thanks

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 27-Dec-12 16:42:27

twitch. You know what's odd? I'm not really bothered by all of the actual food in the house. I am, however, haunted by the homemade Bailey's I know is sitting in my kitchen. grin

Laska I'm not trying to make excuses for you, but it'll be worth waiting a day or two and weighing again. These sort of big holiday meals tend to have lots of salt (for retaining water) as well as the volume of food making its way through your system. I'm not saying you might not have put on a pound or so, but I'd be surprised if it were 6 in 2 days!

I'm not brave enough to weigh in until New Years, I think. As I said before the holidays, I am just going to close my eyes, fast when I can, and hopefully the damage won't be too bad. I'm fasting today, and again on Saturday or Sunday, not sure which.

And I'm posting here a lot today because for the first time in a while, a fast day is a struggle! grin Not because of the lack of food, but sheer boredom around this house today. We went out, but now we're in with the TV again. sigh. I think I'll drag DS around the neighbourhood to spot Christmas lights.

scripsi Thu 27-Dec-12 17:57:44

I haven't done too much damage I think with the holidays (though I haven't weighed myself either!). I would be grateful to know what your favourite fast-day menus are. I am finding that I need to eat volume - so stirfries of low calorie vegetables (in stock not oil) and proteins like eggs and grilled lean chicken or cod. But I have been getting really bored. At the moment I allow myself two meals of two boiled eggs and then a low fat chicken stirfry and if I still have calories allowed I will have a tablespoon of plain fat free yogurt. I tried eating soup for a meal but I get ridiculously hungry.

Laska42 Thu 27-Dec-12 18:14:35

scripsi that's pretty much what I eat on fast days ..yes its same-y but then its also easy .. and I don't want to think too much about food on fast days . . You could try my MR Ls roasted carrot and red pepper soup and my roasted cauli with cumin both (on the recipe thread link above) also making things as tasty as possible helps (im a great chilli sauce fan) . Lots of people only eat one meal ,as well so that gives more scope.. Veggie chilli and curry are good

Right i've found a beet and red cabbage borscht recipe on the net and am off to make it for tomorrows fast now.. .

greeneggs Hi there .. I hope you are right .. actually I'm sure you are .. i didn't eat that much.. but quite a few carbs which I'm not so used to now. Keep strong.. its evening now.. you can do it !! (I'm sure ill find it hard tomorrow.. I still have people here also )

scripsi Thu 27-Dec-12 18:54:40

Thanks Laska, yes I need to up the herbs and chilli I think! I also need to be more varied on the non-fast days too. Good luck with your borscht!

Skinnyeye Thu 27-Dec-12 19:14:48

Hi Losers hope you all had a good one?
Back from my Christmas break and back on track with a fast day today before another Christmas meal and trip to the Panto tomorrow. Just had a lovely and very hot vegi chilli and feeling much better for it. Don't know what the damage is yet but it's weigh in day tomorrow

raspberryroop Thu 27-Dec-12 19:31:19

I had my 1st day and have brought some innocent veg pots to start my self of with as you can just microwave them and they are worth 3 veg point and 350 calories so had some leway for milk in my coffee and an apple.

Does anyone do longer than the 16 hours ? and do you lose quicker if you do?

pookey Thu 27-Dec-12 19:35:12

Hi all this thread is amazingly busy for christmas week!

Laska I think low carbing can see quick weight gain on days when you have carb heavy days - I have had 5 or 6lb weightloss in a day when I have been on an anti allergy diet which basically is low carb and cals by default. scripsi and laska your fast days sound very healthy.

I had 2 helpings of delish dinner on christmas day but no breakfast and toast and skinny soup for lunch I had a couple of after 8s and a couple of pringles and a choc cup cake ... oh and a mince pie and lots of mulled wine. Boxing day included fried breakfast christmas biscuits and chocs but didnt go mad. My weight went up half a lb to 11.10 3/4. Not bad really!

Fasted today (after a fashion) skinny soup (200) slice of toast (150) and a few choc coins and a candy cane (not exactly plant based)

skinnyeye enjoy panto

pookey Thu 27-Dec-12 19:37:31

raspberryroop welcome, I have occasionally done longer than 16 hours and I feel as though it helps with weightloss, read somewhere that your body starts to lose weight after 16 hours of fasting so there might be some science for fasting for 24 hours.

frenchfancy Thu 27-Dec-12 20:21:08

I now do 24 hours for each fast day. I have no idea if you lose weight quicker but I find it easier.

frenchfancy Thu 27-Dec-12 20:22:35

Just to clarify for newcomers, that is 24 hours of not eating (so 7pm to 7pm) followed by a 500 cal meal then nothing else until next morning.

So 36 hours with only 500 cals, but of those 24 full fast.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 27-Dec-12 21:01:25

Feeling a bit podge - but then lunch was a hero roll on 5th Avenue watching people walk past the Empire State grin - it's too darned cold here to fast .... that's my excuse.

Breadandwine Thu 27-Dec-12 21:02:07

"B&W amazon say 10 Jan for Dr MM book."

virginposter thanks for that, cheered me up no end!

Not that I need cheering up, I'm feeling pretty good, ATM! Stuffed, but I'll get over that. I decided to make home made chips for everyone - but one of the grandchildren decided she wanted chip shop (read, proper) chips, so her indulgent nanny obliged.

So then we had loads of chips - and I was making tempura (with a yeast-risen batter) while we had some hot fat.

The result was I ate at least half of the chips intended for 6! Plus loads of tempura. And I've since had 2 portions of my Christmas bread with soya cream, which I had with a large glass of port! shock

But I'm not worried - this morning I had a good 4 cm clearance on the last hole in my belt. And I shall fast again next week on Monday and Wednesday.

"Just to clarify for newcomers, that is 24 hours of not eating (so 7pm to 7pm) followed by a 500 cal meal then nothing else until next morning.

So 36 hours with only 500 cals, but of those 24 full fast."

Or 600 cals if you're a bloke, frenchfancy! smile. Not that I need that extra 100 calories, TBH - these days I can easily get by on >400 calories and still manage to feel full up after dinner.

About the 24 hours fasting - the hardest thing is organising an early dinner before you start the fast, so you can eat at a normal time on the fasting day.

Best wishes, folks!

Breadandwine Thu 27-Dec-12 21:06:10

"Feeling a bit podge - but then lunch was a hero roll on 5th Avenue watching people walk past the Empire State - it's too darned cold here to fast .... that's my excuse."

TiP we cross-posted. Sounds like great fun! A 'hero roll' - so called because you're a hero if you can finish it?

TalkinPeace2 Thu 27-Dec-12 21:40:09

B&W - just about !! HUMUNGOUS portion ....

BecBro4 Thu 27-Dec-12 21:42:58

i do my fast days like that FF I found i can have dinner with my family like normal then smile

Snowkey Thu 27-Dec-12 21:48:25

Dr MM is on You and Yours on Radio 4 next week discussing diet and exercise plans - looks like he's using it as an opportunity to promote his new book.

Have been eating lots of sugary rubbish, mostly to sooth my flu - why is it other people stop eating when ill? And I haven't done any exercise for 2 weeks now which is a double whammy. Damage limitation is needed I stopped eating sugary foods on the 25th - they do me no good and I can't control my cravings. Fasting again next week 2 Jan I think, in the mean time I am going no where near those scales - the news will not be good.

nminx Thu 27-Dec-12 22:05:21

Fast day for me today. Wasn't intending to do this over the Xmas period but got up late so thought I may as well fit one in.

Been feeling pretty good over the last week. Did my first ever 2 day back to back fast days in the run up to Xmas. It wasn't easy but I knew it would be a while before I would get a chance to fast again. It seems to have done the trick as I haven't been physically able to eat as much as I normally would over Xmas.

Also, I am enjoying having (finally) lost a stone. I have another to go yet, but am confident it's slowly coming off. I stuck at the "lost 10 lb" for weeks and weeks. I changed my days from mon & wed to tues and thurs and it shifted it! Astonishing. If u r stuck, give changing the days a try.

Was going to make some get well soon biscuits today for my dad who is going into hospital tomorrow. Decided to wait until tomorrow so that I wouldn't break my fast.(I would have to test them to see if they are ok!) Plus they will be fresher this way!

Nice to be able to read the trials and successes of 5:2 here on this forum. Still not made up my mind whether to get Dr M's book yet. In my usual 'lurking' style, will maybe wait and see what B&W and others think of it.

Also DH bought me some underwear for Xmas in a smaller size than I would normally have. I pointed this out to him and he said 'I know, but have you SEEN how much weight you have lost?" - best Xmas present ever.

SpringHeeledJack Thu 27-Dec-12 23:27:09

just seen about this on twitter- never heard of it before- googled and found thread

marking place (one handed- other hand is somewhere in a tin of Cadbury's Heroes)

blush

literarygeek Fri 28-Dec-12 00:30:27

Hi all
Hope you all had a great Christmas. It's great yo hear everyone's success stories.
Our xmas was fairly low-impact, food wise. No one around me is vegan so I end up feeding myself and that generally = fairly good choices.. Though I made nigella's panettone pudding cake for the others and was pretty jealous... Might have to work on a vegan version...*B&W*, any ideas how to substitute marscapone??

I am doing 2 days' back to back; feeling good so far. Seem to be staying the same the last couple of weeks but not concerned about this. I feel a lot more comfortable in my clothes than when I started around seven weeks ago so am happy.

Am finding that shifting my workouts to the late evening is helping me not focus on food on fasting days, and also means I don't overindulge on normal days as I have a workout to fit in.

G'night all!

BecBro4 Fri 28-Dec-12 01:39:07

i thought this was interesting smile
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/training-day/201212/greatest-weight-loss-myth-ever-told

BecBro4 Fri 28-Dec-12 01:48:52
Aftereightsaremine Fri 28-Dec-12 09:34:12

That makes interesting reading bec. I try not to have breakfast now unless I'm really hungry. Except that last few days breakfast has been Christmas cake....

I was not too bad Christmas & Boxing Day but yesterday I didn't stop eating. Got the cold from hell & colds always make me ravenous. Find it really weird that I get like this & I crave junk. Very weird. Just going to go with it & worry about weight gain in the new year.

Souper Fri 28-Dec-12 10:15:57

Hi guys. Merry Christmas everybody and looking forward to a lovely healthy, slimmer New Year. I fasted yesterday and weighed this morning. Only gained 300g since Christmas Eve - and I ate quite a lot between then and yesterday! And the best part is I know I will be back to where I was after one more fast.

Another nice thing this morning was that my stomach looked really flat in the mirror while I was on the cross trainer at the gym. Loving that three days after Christmas I am looking in the mirror and thinking I look good!

scripsi Fri 28-Dec-12 11:30:44

Could everyone tell me what bathroom scales they recommend as mine are all over the place (brand new tesco digital scales which go up and down madly if I take three readings in a row, and I don't think my weight changes in seconds hmm

Laska42 Fri 28-Dec-12 11:41:54

Morning , fasting today ( and its feeling sooo good!) . well the scales were down 3 pounds after yesterdays post pig-out shock.. so I reckon this fast should pretty much do it..

TIP2 sound like you are having a great time..and the great thing is you know you can jump right back in when you get home.

Good luck all fasters today

Laska42 Fri 28-Dec-12 12:06:43

its interesting that the article picks up on the 16 hour thing which we've been talking about here for a while . But without looking any further , im surmising that the 8 hour diet he is selling is about restricting your eating to an 8 hr window, which is what Brad Pilion has been advocating for some years.

I do eat breakfast ( always eggs apart from the Christmas alteration) and have done throughout this WOE and (not counting this weeks small gain) have lost 21lbs . BUT I'm pretty much a 'morning' person, and find that i start feeling really wobbly/sick at about 10am if I don't . But ever since starting this WOE I've been eating my 'evening' meal well before 5 pm on fast days to make sure that I get in the full 16hrs..

He's saying that if you have breakfast you tend to eat more throughout the day , but I think it might be more about keeping aware of what you are consuming that's important than when .. but of course we are all different on when we like to eat

Also I'm a bit of a 'lower' carb advocate.. and I certainly think that if you eat something high carb for breakfast you will eat more later ( something i noticed over my christmas pig out when i was surprised how 'hungry' i felt a couple of hours after a carby breakfast .

This is not meant to be a restrictive WOE on food groups though , but it does seem that avoiding too many refined carbs on fast days . does seem to make fasting easier , and probably because of reduced blood sugar level swings, which do seem to cause hunger pangs leading to wanting to eat more ..

(Just my take on this.. as we have said before WE ARE ALL EXPERIMENTING.. it will be interesting to see if DR Ms book has reports of more up to date verifiable results than what we seem to have right now.. but for me it works this way .. )

Laska42 Fri 28-Dec-12 12:16:54

Weve talked also about how 'diet' drinks are not a good idea for fast days either as they make you feel more hungry .

Here's a new article about artificial sweeteners being linked to weight gain from Dr John Briffa's blog

Snowkey Fri 28-Dec-12 12:32:17

Dh always has one Coke Zero on fasting days and he says it really helps him - it's the only time he consumes diet drinks - I think the key is that we are all different and our body and mind's needs vary. Some need breakfast to stop them snacking (dh) and some find breakfast sets them off snacking all day and would prefer to only eat once in their fast (me).

I find this thread is great for picking up strategies & ideas - some suit me and others don't but it's important to experiment to find out your own personal approach and in my experience that approach has changed over time as my mind & body has learned to cope with fasting.

virginposter Fri 28-Dec-12 14:43:17

B&W and all others interested.

Just received notification that Dr MM's book is due for arrival (does that mean arrival to them or to me on the pre-order??) on 3-5 Jan - good news!

virginposter Fri 28-Dec-12 14:50:02

Just looked on Amazon and the book is available now so I guess that means my copy will be here 3-5 Jan. What a lovely New Year treat smile

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Fri 28-Dec-12 17:16:45

That's an interesting point about breakfast Laska... I am a confirmed breakfast eater too - usually something on the carby side like porridge - but I do find that keeps me going until lunchtime. but then again, on fast days I don't generally feel hungry until lunchtime either, which does make me wonder why I other with breakfast (except I like it!)
I think Snowkey is definitely right, it's a case of each individual experimenting and finding out what works for them, and that may change as you get more accustomed to fasting.

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Fri 28-Dec-12 17:17:40

bother with breakfast! blush

scripsi Fri 28-Dec-12 19:02:44

I have tried delaying eating and haven't missed breakfast at all, over the last couple of days. I am amazed how much of it is conditioning!
I am going to be working long days away in the coming weeks and won't have access to a microwave/cooker, but I want to keep up my fast days, so was thinking of taking vegetable soup with me in a flask. Do you think this would work? I haven't taken food in a flask before. Are there specific foody-flasks? Or something better?

welshmill Fri 28-Dec-12 19:08:51

Just had notification from Amazon that my order of the book has been dispatched!

mollysfolly England Fri 28-Dec-12 19:24:42

Yay!! So's mine!! ETA 4th January.

greeneggs you (and everyone else come to think of it) MUST go to Italy - it's the bestest country in Europe, if not the whole wide world.. smile

Snowkey Fri 28-Dec-12 19:40:40

Stanley make excellent Food flasks.

housesalehelp Fri 28-Dec-12 20:00:48

hello -been lurking for a bit - just did my first fast day - not as bad as I expected - didn't eat until 5pm which worked for me - great hints here and the other threads

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Fri 28-Dec-12 21:10:04

Scripsi, you can get wide-mouth vacuum flasks, I think from Thermos. I bought a couple from Tesco a few years ago and they were great - I used to take vegetable soup to work in them, and it stayed lovely and hot till lunchtime. Try this one: www.amazon.co.uk/Thermos-Stainless-King-Flask-Litre/dp/B001ET6P9Q/ref=sr_1_9?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1356728914&sr=1-9 (not cheap though - the Tesco ones were much cheaper, but it was a while ago).

Cheesemonkey Fri 28-Dec-12 21:18:22

I've been lurking for ages and had one half-hearted attempt that lasted a few days. But have decided I need to be serious about losing weight so started today. DH has joined me ( he only has around a stone to lose, I have a lot more). We weighed in this morning ( first time I can remember standing on scales in front of someone who wasn't a medical professional!). We've got through the first day really well, it has definitely helped me doing it with someone else, and all the advice on here has been great.

frenchfancy Fri 28-Dec-12 21:21:42

Well done Cheese. I agree it is definately easier to do it with someone else, but don't be disheartened if your DH loses weight faster than you (as my DH did). Men have an anoying habit of losing weight quicker than we do.

Remember you only have to do this 2 days a week, so the rest of the time you can be half hearted about it.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 28-Dec-12 22:09:08

New folks: just remember, the non-fast days aren't a competition to push the "eating what you like" boundary. Check out your TDEE for a general idea of the amount of calories you should be around for those days. (link is in the OP)

And welcome to the thread. grin

I fasted yesterday and won't fast again until Sunday. That means.. this is the first 6:1 week I've had since starting in August. shock Definitely not going to weigh myself until next week!

Jayne266 Fri 28-Dec-12 22:09:36

Right guys am thinking of starting this next week ( new year, new target, new food shop lol) any tips any thing I should prepare or buy to help?

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Fri 28-Dec-12 23:12:28

I find access to really good coffee (so you can drink it black) really helps - if you're a coffee addict. Otherwise fruit or herbal teabags as a good calorie-free hot drink can be nice and warming. And I have to admit to acquiring a bit of Bovril habit (as a hot drink) around lunchtime on fast days...

The other thing I have found is that I can feel the cold much more when fasting - if you're going to be out of the house, whether at work or elsewhere, I'd suggest making sure you have plenty of layers/warm clothes, at least at first. Dull but true. And good luck with your first fast!

literarygeek Sat 29-Dec-12 04:49:58

Jayne I agree about the coffee- the more yummy it is on its own, the better. however, I found that coffee made me on edge when fasting so I gave it up. See how you feel. I can highly recommend pukka teas as an alternative, particularly three ginger, detox and relax.

Lots of people on here make use of glorious! skinny soups and innocent veg pots, and have had a few shout-outs for m and s soups, too.

Make sure to drink a lot, and stay busy!

literarygeek Sat 29-Dec-12 06:27:34

Ooh just one thing while I remember. Re black coffee

A friend of mine got a perforated stomach ulcer one summer one holiday aged 21. The most likely reason was it was from drinking loads of iced black coffee because during the day she felt too hot to eat. So just be careful- black coffee on an empty stomach is not great for your tummies; definitely avoid if you are prone to avid reflux/ indigestion.

Piebaldrider Sat 29-Dec-12 07:39:24

OOPS I have been drinking Black Coffee on an empty stomach for years. I find it does help when fasting as does Coke Zero. No matter how bad it is for you i find 1 can when hungry makes things much easier. I have managed Christmas without any effort because i just don't fancy even things i normally love. I seem to have an ear infection that maybe partly to blame for that. No fasting at all over Christmas but hope to start again Monday. More and more people are now noticing my weight loss even though the recent losses are small. It seems that the fat loss on my Bum is making all my trousers baggy and they hang down my legs like a builders . I'm well into wearing my tight Jeggings now and i want to brave a pair of skinny jeans asap. I still have at least two stone to go but the changes in my body so far have made such a difference. When i started out some may remember me saying i wouldn't weigh myself and would use a pair of non fitting denim Jodhpurs i had as a measure of loss. When i first tried to put them on they barely went over my hips, yesterday i was able to get them on and done up without a fight. They are still a little to tight to ride in and after being heaved on and of so many times i should think the seems will give out if i tried to work in them. Howver they were my measure and now i feel i have achieved what i wanted i am looking for a new one as it really helps having something you can really see yourself starting to fit into. For me being able to modify the way i do this has been an enourmous help over the last few weeks and still losing weight when not doing full fasts is a massive bonus and a joy. I needed the discpline of 4.3 when i started but i feel confident that i can pick it up and put it down or mnodify as and when i need to these days and long may it last. New Year is just around the Corner and some very wonderul Butterflies in this forum emerging from last years chrysalis.

lechatnoir Sat 29-Dec-12 08:59:03

Hello newbie heregrin I've got a rather daunting 3.5stone to lose & DH has got 1.5 stone to lose so will be doing it together. One quick question: we're doing couch to 5k which is 3 x 20-30 mins 'runs' a week and go early before breakfast - should we go morning before a fast day or following a fast day & have something like a banana before heading out?
Thanks & really well done on all the amazing weight loss especially over Christmasgrin
Lechatnoir

NatashaMousse Sat 29-Dec-12 09:22:44

As this year draws to a close, I want to thank all of the contributors here for the encouragement and inspiration. I haven't said much, because I'm on a somewhat different track from most everyone else (being on the underweight end of the spectrum, I'm in this for the health benefits, and I'm doing one 30-some-hour calorie-free fast a week instead of 2 or 3 low-cal days). But despite the differences I've experienced some of the same results many others have - greater attention to what I eat (processed and packaged food has almost completely disappeared from my life), more enjoyment of what I do eat, increased energy, improved mental clarity . . . and, unfortunately, feeling miserably cold - and sometimes ravenously hungry - on fast days sad. I won't have any numerical measures until I get a blood test next year. (Weight has see-sawed about 2 kg +/- and remained about the same on average, which is what I was hoping for.) Overall, I'm feeling much better, and that's sufficient feedback for now. Yes, piebaldrider (I've enjoyed all your lovely posts), it does feel a bit like emerging from a chrysalis.

I finally got some of those (hugely expensive) shiritaki noodles and hope to try them this week. I've read that not only should they be rinsed before using, they should be blanched for 4 to 5 minutes.

Laska42 Sat 29-Dec-12 10:32:50

Hi all, well im 18 hrs in to my fast now and probably going to go for the full 24 today (that the will be 48 hrs with only 500 cals) , but feel like i ned to do this aftre Christmas indulgancies.

however
whilst we are being philosophical , and as im sitting here in i my too baggy sz 10 jeans and my favourite pink t shirt which is hanging off me now and used to be far too tight at a sz 14 , im just want to sayto all the people joining us for the new year , ids a huge welcome and a small 'health warning' to help you succeed..

lots of us here have got a bit evengelical about this as a Way of Eating WOE rather than a 'diet' so if you can manage to not think of this as a temporary diet rather than just a weight loss programme, you may find you can stick with it easier .. It does work for weight loss , and we hope for the health benefits also , but as with all WOEs we have ups and downs , but the best way to tackle a fast day is to remember you can have it tomorrow (although you probably wont want to)grin

as a WOE its ridiculously simple .. take a look ate the hints and tips thread linked above where we have gathered together all the good info which could have got lost in previous threads, also take some time to work out your TDEE fromthe link above as that will give you an idea ( and possibly a shock! if like me you can from something like weightwatchers) about the rough amount you need daily to MAINTAIN your weight .. this is a good guide for eating days .. as remember despite some of the hype you are not 'feasting' (i.e eating your head off on eating days) and fasting.. but fasting and eating 'normally' on eating days .. you are looking to gain a total calorie deficit over the week

Good luck .. for people who are new here .. and havent 'met' me yet ..
i've been doing this since August ,am postmenopausal and not hugely into exercise (walking/hiking and cycling are about my limit) and have lost 21lbs on this WOE taking me back well into 'Normal' BMI for the first time in about 15 years

raspberryroop Sat 29-Dec-12 10:35:47

Lechatnoir - I'm also just starting and am doing the running program to - Am going to run Mon- Wed- Friday and fast tues/thursdays as I think will power wise one challenge a day is enough. But very interested in how other manage exercises and the fast as I hope both to become long term

Laska42 Sat 29-Dec-12 10:35:57

Damn.. loads of spelling mistakes there , I meant to hit 'preview' not post

piebaldrider fantastic news re the jodhpurs ...you have done fantastically .

also i drink real black coffee on and empty stomach also .. will think about that

Laska42 Sat 29-Dec-12 10:42:20

oh and Natashamouse, i just wash the noodles and have found them fine ( but hugely filling.. i can only manage half a packet with veggies at a time)

Jobyloo Sat 29-Dec-12 10:59:58

Morning everyone on a fast day today. Scales were very scary this morning and was just the nudge that I needed to get back to 5:2. Not stressing about it just going to do it.

Excited because the MM book will be in my hands on Monday (according to Amazon).

Love this thread, am a lurker but will be getting more involved because when I grow up I want to be like Laskansmile Many congrats on becoming a Grandma!!!!!

Jobyloo Sat 29-Dec-12 11:00:29

oops Laska lol! x x

Laska42 Sat 29-Dec-12 11:06:34

Morning jobyloo smile people seem to be more positive here about tackiling any small gains than on the 'other' thread we are on!
Glad you had a good christmas and yes it is nice to be back 'on fast'.. though i'm really looking forward to breaking my fast tonight now

duchesse Sat 29-Dec-12 11:12:44

Hello everyone. I'm aiming to lose 8-10 kg and get back to my ideal weight that I haven't seen for 10 years this year. I think that 5:2 is going to be the best way for me. I was just wondering whether miso soup is permitted as a drink on fast days?

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sat 29-Dec-12 11:43:02

Well done piebaldrider - that's fantastic!

Regarding the C25K Lechatnoir, if you normally exercise before breakfast I would try running on a fast day, then you won't notice the "difference" during the run, although it depends how knackered you normally feel afterwards! I think several of us have found that ability to exercise when fasting improves as you become more accustomed to fasting, so I think your best bet is to try it and see - if it doesn't work for you, shuffle your days about and try something different. Good luck and let us know - there are several of us on here (me included) doing C25K and we're all at different stages.

literarygeek Sat 29-Dec-12 11:44:15

duchesse yes to the miso- but count it as part of your calories.

chat and raspberry- enjoy getting back into exercise. I always exercise before breakfast anyway so have found it pretty easy but lately am exercising some evenings and it's a great distraction on fast days! Others have also seemed to have similar experiences but just play it by eat and see how you go. Some evidence that exercising hungry is better for fat loss, some evidence that performance/endurance and afterburn are better if you eat first. But I don't think you'll do yourself damage trying either way! And for when it's too yuck outside or your exercising at 4am or you're stuck at home because of kids- try blogilates.com -lots of free cardio and toning exercises by a sweet perky instructor. Have become rather evangelical about it!

Laska42 Sat 29-Dec-12 11:46:45

Have just posted my recipe for Red cabbage and beet borscht on the recipe thread .(thanks Catsrus for the idea.. )

Its Yum (but has no pretensions towards authenticity as I found some recipes on the web and have adapted them to fasting)

Duchesse Yes Miso soup is fine.. its about 20 cals a mugful

other new starters if you've not used it , I do recommend Myfitnesspal to keep a track of your calories . I use it on eating days also ..

Hi everyone, marking my place after a bit of a break. Had a totally fab 2 weeks in the sun, didn't attempt any full fast days, but several times fasted until about 8 in the evening, and have continued to do that 2 or 3 times a week since I got back.

Am not getting properly back on the 'wagon' so to speak until next week, but am really looking forward to it.

Just a quick note on the when to exercise question, bizarrely I find that I can't face it on fast days, but the next morning I find it really easy and have done some of my best run times then.

Well done everyone, here's to a healthy 2013!!!

Hello all" I tried my first fast yesterday whilst at work - i managed to hold off from eating til 1.30, then had cuppa soup and a small clementine. I was starving when I got home for dinner. Feeling very tired today, not sure whether that it is typical? Thanks for all the advice on this thread.

Jobyloo Sat 29-Dec-12 12:16:24

well decided to be positive despite the scales this morning. The OH and myself decided to get off our lardy behinds and start C25k day 1 week 1 completed and when we got back home the MM book was waiting for me...know what I'll be doing now for the rest of the day wink mmm think I might have to invest in some Miso not had it for years but really like it.

scripsi Sat 29-Dec-12 13:29:34

SarahWithAFringeOnTop thanks! Is it this the tesco thermos? www.tesco.com/direct/thermos-thermax-047l-insulated-stainless-steel-food-jar-and-spoon/209-7182.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=209-7182
I am hoping that it has stainless steel inside and not plastic?
(am posting at odd times of day and night as DCs have The Virus)

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Sat 29-Dec-12 14:32:50

Hi Scripsi, yes, that looks like it except mine didn't come with a spoon. But I think it's the same. Definitely kept food hot from breakfast to lunchtime. Ours are steel inside and pretty indestructible smile
Hope the kids recover soon!

EllenRose Sat 29-Dec-12 14:33:32

Doing my first fast day today and feeling really positive. Have been lurking for the last couple of weeks - the threads are great and have convinced me to try it. Have just added my Fast days to my calendar as I like to have a plan grin - fingers crossed!

scripsi Sat 29-Dec-12 16:21:39

Thanks Sarah.

I must also get a pack of shirataki noodles. I have also discovered Scandinavian bran GG crackers at Holland and Barrett which are very low calorie and also very filling due to the fibre content. I have a couple of those with soup if I am very hungry and it really helps.

Jayne266 Sat 29-Dec-12 21:48:08

What sorts of things do people eat on the non fasting days. I heard it can be what you want (within reason) but can you give me examples. Thank you for the coffee/ herbal tea tip I think I might struggle with that part as I only drink cold drinks, trying to train myself to like water on its own.

Breadandwine Sat 29-Dec-12 22:58:50

Welcome SpringHeeledJack and other new posters!

That's a smashing post, piebald, thanks for sharing!

"New Year is just around the Corner and some very wonderful Butterflies in this forum emerging from last years chrysalis."

And a lovely way of putting it!

I intended to fast until dinner time tonight - but, after spending 4 hours on the A303 after leaving the grandchildren I got out of the car feeling decidedly logie! The grandchildren haven't been at all well over Christmas - nothing major, just a general feeling of unwellness - and I've caught it as well. Good that it waited until after the visit to show itself!

I was shivering, with a bit of a temp, so I've retired to my bed and now I'm lying here in a pool of sweat, feeling rather sorry for myself!

Before I came up, I fancied a luxurious cup of cocoa, so I melted 3 large squares of chili chocolate in the mug which just filled the bill! I had it with a couple of Hobnobs, which kickstarted my appetite, so I fried up some leftovers.

I wonder if I could ask you guys a favour? There's been several links posted recently, which should really go on to the Links thread. I'd do it myself, but I'm shattered!

TIA! smile

TreadOnTheCracks Sat 29-Dec-12 23:17:59

Have just been reading through the thread and am very interested.

I have a lot to loose, my bmi is about 38 blush

So, my questions are how to you deal with being starving on the fast days? Does it make you grumpy? How long did it take you to get used to it?

Do you really eat what you want on the non fast days or are you "sensible"?

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 30-Dec-12 00:43:33

Tread you'll get away with the odd day of eating what you like, but overall you should be sticking to approximately your TDEE. There's a link in the OP with a calculator for it.

Basically, most of us have interpreted it as "eat what you like" as in, the calories your body needs in a day, not low-calorie dieting. However, many of us don't naturally know what our body needs in a day, because we've been doing other diets or have been overeating so regularly we've lost track of what a normal meal is. Figuring out your TDEE will help a lot.

And there are no "free" foods, no all you can eat fruit or whatever. grin

Your first few fast days will be tough but they get MUCH easier. It helps to remember that whatever it is you're dreaming of on the fast day, you could theoretically have it the next day. It's kept me going on some of the tougher ones.

scripsi Sun 30-Dec-12 00:48:09

I am relatively new Tread, but I find making sure I opt for high fibre bulky foods - lentils, low calorie veg, bran crackers, helps me to feel fuller on fast days.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 30-Dec-12 03:02:47

Ye gods.
I've only been in New York for a week, but seven days of eating out - even trying to keep to two meals a day - and I'm bloated out like a balloon!
It really makes me appreciate how damaging takeaways and fast food (that at home I do not touch) is for the waistline.
I have regained the muffin top I spent most of the autumn removing (but its been great fun)
Both DH and I are looking forward to restarting fasts and lots of exercise come the start of term.

Aftereightsaremine Sun 30-Dec-12 04:02:07

I've been up half the night with indigestion - since doing this WOE I had actually forgotten what it was like. So a few days of richer food makes me feel rubbish, my indigestion med which I had stopped needing is not even touching the sides. Not a nice feeling. Wouldn't mind but off to sis inlaws for a few days & she's been so thoughtful in buying me gluten free treats that I feel it would be rude to say no.

frenchfancy Sun 30-Dec-12 08:08:27

Gosh it is busy on here at the moment, I guess it will get even busier after the new year. Hello to all the newbies.

I know there are lots of old threads but it is definitely worth reading through them as there is lots of information there, as well as the hints and tips thread.

I know you won't believe it but you really do get used to it. The first 2 weeks are the worse then after that you can gradually extend out the period when you et nothing. I'm afraid I don't go in for fake food like the low calorie noodles, if it isn't delicious I don't want to eat it. Cutting out carbs on fast days definitely helps to reduce the hunger pangs.

On eating days I eat the kind of diet I would like to be able to eat for ever. So I don't stuff myself, I keep portions reasonable, but I do eat lasagne (tonight) pizza (tomorrow) and drink wine. I am however trying to cut out snacks altogether (devils work!)

I don't see this as a quick fix, I could certainly have lost weight quicker with a normal low calorie diet, but I couldn't sustain it. If I have to stick on 5:2 for the rest of my life I won't be sorry. 4 months in and it just feels normal.

Thegirlinbrighton Sun 30-Dec-12 09:15:26

Hello again. Haven't been on here for ages and ages due to travel and work and Christmas but so much looking forward to fasting again today. I suspect I've put a couple of pounds on but have decided not to weigh myself till the first week of the new year so I don't feel disheartened.

Planning to eat some soup and a Kirsty's veg and quinoa dinner, slightly watery but they're incredibly filling. Don't quite know how you get such a large portion for under 300 cals.

I have noticed that I don't seem to be able to eat as much these days without feeling super full. And I resisted cheese last night even though I love it, because I didn't 'need' it. Me? Resisting cheese? It's a festive miracle.

Had a quick recap of what's been happening and saw a mention of the Spanish study - I understand that the reason it was dismissed/not really on the radar for years was due to a translation error! Perhaps everyone assumed the results were too good to be true. Better late than never for everyone.

Scalehopper Sun 30-Dec-12 09:46:28

My fast lasts about an hour so farsad

raspberryroop Sun 30-Dec-12 11:55:27

2 fasts and 4 ilbs gone already - I know its probably water but its very motivating! I am finding the fasting easy but the regulation of the 500 more difficult so just fasting for 24 hours

Laska42 Sun 30-Dec-12 12:48:27

Hi again all, signing in but feeling a bit odd today myself, but not what poor B&W has hope you feel better soon , I did something really stupid this morning and walked into my glass patio door, bashed my head and have been feeling quite strange ever since.. I'm sure ill survive though.

Re eating on eating days I tend to keep to my TDEE needs or thereabouts
and I eat what I want but do watch the portions. I do eat fairly low carb these days though ( and really noticed the difference over christmas when i indulged in more refined carbs). One thing I have rather overindulged in this last week is alcohol and thats definitely been responsible for me putting a couple of pounds back on so I think think ill be having a few weeks off after the hol

treadonthecracks You'll find that the hunger doesnt build and each fast gets easier. I think id forgotten just what being hungry was like, but you do get used to it.. for the first few fasts i found sleeping harder, but that also passed. Like others here who have been doing it a while (since August for me)
fasting has now become a way of life and feels quite normal.

aftereights and TIP2 the richer, carby food made me feel rubbish also..

oh dear just sitting here is making me feel weird I think ill have to go lie down again .. that was some bash on the head I gave myself .. I think might be slightly concussed.. what an idiot eh?

frenchfancy Sun 30-Dec-12 13:08:09

Ouch Laska I bet that hurt. It does sound a bit like concusion so be careful.

Breadandwine Sun 30-Dec-12 14:20:37

Oh, dear, Laska! That sort of thing can shake you up, certainly. You're doing the right thing by taking to your bed.

I, on the other hand, have just got up. Feeling somewhat achy, but not too bad. I'm pretty sure by the end of today I'll be right as rain. I don't mind feeling under the weather, occasionally, as long as it comes and goes quickly!

Don't suppose that's a result of the 5:2 I've been doing...

Nah - but it's a thought!

Just been reading Dr M's Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/DrMichaelMosley

It's full of fascinating detail and some great links!

(Off to put the link on the Tips and Links thread!)

mollysfolly England Sun 30-Dec-12 14:42:41

Thanks for the link B&W - I see Jobyloo has 'tweeted' DrMM. Any feedback on the book for us JL? Hoping mine will arrive tomorrow.

Laska mate hope you're OK.

froot Sun 30-Dec-12 14:50:40

I haven't been on here for ages but have been doing the 5/2 since the summer and shrunk a dress size and was easily able to maintain a weight 5 lb less than my old normal 'slimmest' weight. I found the fast days easier and easier over the months. However ten days in Cuba and now Christmas gluttony (and thus no fast days for a few weeks) has made me about 9 lb heavier so I need to get back to it pronto! I have ordered Dr mm's book and plan to fast weds and fri this week then back to my usual Mondays and Wednesdays. I will be looking at the 'tips' on here but my usual 'method' is no brekkie, bovril drink at lunchtime, bag of salad and bit of cottage cheese or prawns if too hungry to go without, then a waitrose soup or 2 cod in butter sauces for tea. And a gin n slimline! I don't get tooo hung up on exactly 500 cals, often around 550 but seems to work for me. Rest of family get a slow cooker meal so I don't have to prepare food when I'm hungry!!

froot Sun 30-Dec-12 14:51:53

And 'ouch' laska- if u start feeling weirder see a doc in case you have proper hurt yourself....

Laska42 Sun 30-Dec-12 14:56:00

hi there again yes feeling better now for a short sleep.. just about to have the last of my Borscht (on the recipe thread) Even if I say so myself , its really nice! not fasting again now until 1st Jan

I'm not on twitter , but if anyone here is can they please ask Dr M if they intend to repeat the documentary? .

my book has been dispatched also . but it says not due until the 7th sad

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 30-Dec-12 14:56:06

Oh Laska I hope you're feeling better soon. That doesn't sound good. sad

Good to see you back, froot. It's an easy plan to stick with, isn't it, once you're in the habit? I'm very pleased to be down a size and to have made it through the majority of the holiday season without doing too much damage (jeans still fit very comfortably- I'm not stepping on scales til after New Years, though!)

scripsi Sun 30-Dec-12 15:16:37

Laska hope you feel better soon. Just popping in to interfere and say that I don't think you should sleep soon after a hitting your head if you think you might have concussion? I was told this after I famously almost knocked myself out on an outside lamp while trying to find a neighbour's dog.

Yesterday was my first fast in a while and oh my goodness, the hunger!

froot Sun 30-Dec-12 15:22:16

Oh dear scripsi am dreading Wednesday already ....will not beat myself up if have to get back into the zone over a week or two ...planning to start the Shred again too a couple of times a week. Fierce ski trip in March need to be ship shape by then.

froot Sun 30-Dec-12 15:25:03

greeneggs am well jell your jeans still fit I am sat here in velour granny joggers with belly spilling over the top ! The good thing is I know 5/2 works for me so hopefully within a few weeks normality will be restored. And perhaps I won't be quite such a pig next Christmas !

Breadandwine Sun 30-Dec-12 15:37:51

Fasting does get easier, folks! Honest!

About weightgain over xmas - here's Dr M on Twitter:

"over Xmas I did overindulge and put on a kg in a week, but have shed most with couple days of 600 cal eating"

I myself lost the 4lbs I'd gained over a weekend, after fasting on Mon and Wed. [smug] smile

scripsi Sun 30-Dec-12 15:42:54

Froot when I started this WOE I cut down gradually on my total food intake over a week, then I started the fasting. Going cold turkey (pardon the pun) and fasting after a week of indulgence was not the cleverest thing I've ever done!

EllenRose Sun 30-Dec-12 17:52:03

First fast done and not as bad as I had imagined. Went out with the family today and felt very virtuous sticking to a cup of the whilst everyone else tucked into cappuccinos and snacks but I genuinely wasn't hungry and it seems a bit pointless having put in so much effort yesterday. My Fitness Pal is really helping too so thanks all for the links and the previous threads. Will keep reading.

Breadandwine Sun 30-Dec-12 18:28:59

Well done, Ellen - and, it gets easier! smile

IvySquirrel Sun 30-Dec-12 20:07:26

Right I am going to stop lurking & start posting for a bit of motivation!
I did 4 weeks of 5:2 running up to Christmas and was v happy to lose 4 lbs which I have put back on in the last week. So will be back on it on Tuesday. Hope it is not too painful.
I certainly found it got easier each time and felt much healthier as well. smile

Laska42 Sun 30-Dec-12 20:15:26

B&W have PMd you.. do look , have watched the vids I sent you now .. looks pretty good on the science but would just like your thoughts before I post about them (also dont know if these have been posted before)

TalkinPeace2 Sun 30-Dec-12 23:27:10

Can I open the sweepstake for max Christmas weight gain? I've not had access to any scales but I'll bet that by the time I get back to the UK I'll have put on over half a stone - that I so carefully lost while planning this trip.
BUT
It will be interesting and useful to see how effectively I can lose it again when I restart fasting :-)
Actually cannot wait for my first fast day. Am loving the meals (and cannot home cook here so have little choice) but am NOT loving the muffin top.

Breadandwine Mon 31-Dec-12 00:06:20

Bet it won't take long, TiP! You'll be svelte again before you know it! smile

I've PM'd you back, Laska - I forgot to say I haven't seen this particular blog before.

As far as I've seen - and there's a lot on the blog I haven't yet seen - on IF at least, I think he's pretty OK.

Welcome, Ivy, sounds like you're in the groove!

TalkinPeace2 Mon 31-Dec-12 03:27:14

B&W
What I am finding fascinating is how darned near impossible it is to maintain a healthy diet on other than home cooked food.
Yummy supper out tonight (Dad's birthday) but every dish came with cream and veg was a side order paid option.
For those who work full time with long commutes, managing to eat well must be much, much more of a struggle than it is for us part time workers.
As a habitual menu recorder I might even do a mini list of my meals so that people can dissect where the problem areas (in general habits) lie.

literarygeek Mon 31-Dec-12 05:33:39

TiP2 glad you are enjoying yourself and the food! It's true, Americans are not known for their health...

If you feel like something a little lighter one of the days, and are in manhattan, try the peacefood cafe.

I, too, am certain it won't take you long to get back to normal. You strike me as discipline personified!

mandyr Mon 31-Dec-12 09:31:52

Hi Everyone,

I've been following the 5:2 plan since August, having watched the Horizon programme, and have been lurking on this fantastic thread ever since.

You have all been so inspirational. I've loved reading about your own experiences with this WOE and have tried out some of the recipes you've posted. Thank you. It really has helped me to stick to it.

I started out at 10st 8lbs (I'm 5' 6.5") and managed to get down to 9st 12lbs just before Christmas. I began by fasting on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but would binge on all the other days. I have a long history of eating disorders and do tend to binge. I'm very much an 'all, or nothing' kind of person, so, although I manage the fast days quite easily, as soon as I'm allowed food, I go off the rails. I lost a few pounds initially, but then plateaued. So, I decided to fast on Mondays and Thursdays, use MyFitnessPlan on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays to maintain my weight, then eat what I want at the weekend. This seems to work really well for me, and my hubby has also joined me in the last couple of months.

I don't really have much weight to lose, but I've started thinking about ageing a lot recently. I'm 43 and have just discovered that I'm menopausal......it makes you think. I know so many people that take pills for this, that and the other, and I don't ever want to rely on drugs to get me through life. Like Dr Moseley on that programme, I want to be healthy for as long as possible.

I have to admit, I have eaten way too much over Christmas. I did my last fast the day before Christmas Eve, and I haven't dared weigh myself since. We have decided to fast on Wednesday and Friday this week, then get back to normal next week. I'll weigh in on Wednesday morning. Whatever the damage is, I know what I need to do to get things back to how they were before Christmas.

Thanks again to all of you for sharing your experiences. I truly believe that I can stick to this forever. It's the best thing I've ever done for myself.

A happy and healthy New Year to everyone.

Jobyloo Mon 31-Dec-12 11:25:42

Hi everyone
Mandy it's great that you've decided to post, Happy New Year to you and everyone else on here. Mollysfolly MM has replied twice. Once to say that if women wanted to eat 600cals on fast days then it shouldn't really make any difference and in relation the to the tweet about his book .. he was pleased that I had enjoyed it and hoped I would write a good review smile will be interested to hear others views about the book when they've read it. Mumsnet mentioned a few times as a positive resource and quotes from a few peeps on here were included too.

Well fasted yesterday as the previous days attempts was aborted due to falling in to a large glass of Prosecco...and the scales were a whopping 5.5lbs lighter this morning. Have discussed with OH and because we're going tea-total in Jan as per usual, I'm going to alternate weeks with 5:2 and 4:3 and see what effects it has on the numbers...

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 31-Dec-12 11:40:01

Fasted yesterday so I'm prepared for today/tonight. grin We aren't going out this evening but we still have lots of nice food in the house and I'm sure a bit of wine will be flowing.

I've eaten more than usual over the holidays, and only fit in two fast days, but I still ate a lot less than I normally would have. I haven't even had a mince pie this year. shock I still intend to have one, but usually they just exist in our house in droves and are eaten practically as a snack.

mandyr I think that's a great plan. A lot of it is similar to what I went through with this WOE. I overindulged on off-days at first, but I did eventually change things. I'll be changing it again once we TTC.

I hope everyone has a good new years eve!

Aftereightsaremine Mon 31-Dec-12 13:48:51

tip2 I reckon I will have put on at least half a stone by next Monday when my fasting restarts. Have been eating so much!

But today skipped brekkie as I really wanted Starbucks hot choc - this is a sign of how much I've changed. I would have had both in the past. Last night skipped dinner so I could have sainsburys root crisps at 500 calories a bag. So I AM saving calories where I can. grin

Aftereightsaremine Mon 31-Dec-12 13:50:39

Almost forgot HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone. Just think we are all starting next year with a positive outlook. smile

comraderoy Mon 31-Dec-12 14:09:38

Hi first post, not a mum but a dad of a 21 year old but I have seen a few dads post on this thread. I have been following this thread for some time and I have to say it is the best thread on the 5:2 I have found on the net. I have dipped my toe in so to speak but haven't went the whole hog, using xmas as an excuse. I watched the programme and have found it again on line (not youtube) also the book dropped through the letter box today. So I think I'm about ready to go for it and will also use MFP on feast days.

This thread certainly has been an inspiration and I hope to post my progress.

Thanks all and Happy New Year
Roy

BigSpork Mon 31-Dec-12 14:12:56

Baby stepping into the thread...

DH and I started 4:3 after the Horizon programme but then everyone got sick and he had an op. and everything got busy and it fell apart sad. I'm currently working on trying to set up a realistic meal plan to begin the new year with. Issues with physical disabilities mean we have a few days where we a re sapped by the end so finding easy meals or things to prepare beforehand that can just be heated up is essential for us in emergencies on bad days.

welshmill Mon 31-Dec-12 14:27:05

snippet of info for anyone on Facebook...there is a 5:2 Intermittent Fasting page https://www.facebook.com/groups/187492001383720/ which THE man himself is now a member of....does he realise what he's letting himself in for?!

I have been on this thread all morning and I am so interested. I have posted on another thread how I have gained 6lbs over the course of December due to various nights out etc and feel out of control with my eating, so much so that I joined ww online two days ago. But, I feel that this plan rather than ww would fall in with my lifestyle a lot easier than counting everything. So, I am going to <takes a deep breath> give this a go in the New Year.

Going to do my first fast on Thursday. The plan is to cut down for the next 2 days so this isn't too much of a shock to my system. I have about a stone to lose. I am 5'3" and 10st 7lb at the moment and all clothes are tight and i feel fat as butter (I am). I will post my progress to be accountable.

I will keep on this thread to give me motivation and inspiration.

Laska42 Mon 31-Dec-12 15:41:06

Hi all fasters and feasters old and new.. just popping in quickly ( with clear head again after my small incident yesterday !) to wish you all a very Happy New Year .. , . Hopefully I wont have a bad head in other ways in the morning but the fizz is on ice..

I reckon after this evening ill be up about 4lbs on the festive season , which is pretty darn good , considering .. and having just more braved torrential rain and flooded roads as well as the whole Island trying to get into Sainsburys at once I'm about ready for a drink! wink

But not quite yet ..i've skipped lunch today and am just about to cook up a storm for this eve. I was given Claudia Roden's new book of Spanish Cookery for Christmas and am about to do her Duck and and pears recipe (but with Pheasant as that's what i have) .. it sounds fantastic! (and there will be more Roasties ..) grin

Heres to all you lovely 5:2er pals for 2013 winewinewine and thanks for all the fantastic support

btw369 as an ex WW'er of many years I can tell you this WOE beats 'propoints' counting and the attendent guilt of the foods you want but CANT have hands down..

frenchfancy Mon 31-Dec-12 16:45:53

I'm on the facebook group. Here is Michaels latest post, I feel it is a good way to round off the year:

Here's a poem you might enjoy from a 13th century Muslim

Fasting

* *

There's hidden sweetness in the stomach's emptiness.
We are lutes, no more, no less. If the soundbox
is stuffed full of anything, no music.
If the brain and belly are burning clean
with fasting, every moment a new song comes out of the fire.
The fog clears, and new energy makes you
run up the steps in front of you.
Be emptier and cry like reed instruments cry.
Emptier, write secrets with the reed pen.
When you fast, good habits gather like friends who want to help.
Fasting is Solomon's ring. Don't give it
to some illusion and lose your power,
but even if you have, if you've lost all will and control,
they come back when you fast, like soldiers appearing
out of the ground, pennants flying above them.
A table descends to your tents, spread with other food,

better than the broth of cabbages.**

* *

Happy new year everyone wine

catsrus Mon 31-Dec-12 17:24:41

Hi all!

I got the book in the post this morning and have read it with great interest. It's a very very good introduction to the whole idea, with the kind of 'distilled' hints and tips that we have been sharing here. Nice to have the science all together in one place - I was reminded of some things from the programme that I'd forgotten (or they weren't in it!) so that was interesting. I showed my dd the pictures of the meals - as she had been asking what 500 cals looked like smile lots of inspiration stories from people like us - hang on, some of them are us wink. I think this is a book to give/lend to friends who are interested but not sure where to start, so i will probably get another copy.

I have to confess to feeling very pleased with myself as I have not put on anything over xmas. I'm a bit shock as I have eaten all the usual goodies - but the big difference to previous years is that I have tried to go as long as possible each day before eating anything - I haven't managed to stop eating before midnight on many days, and have had a few 3am turkey sarnies blush but seem to have done enough fasting at the start of each day to compensate - yeah!!!

Will start the proper 500 cal version once I'm back to work on the 2nd, hopefully will then start to lose again - but staying stable over xmas, despite the goodies and wine, has been the best xmas present ever grin. Thank you Dr M!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 31-Dec-12 18:12:23

ooh FF I just joined the FB group, as well.

I prefer our group because it's a bit smaller and easier to manage, but I'm sure I'll post a bit there from time to time. I like that MM is there, too.

Liberty132 Mon 31-Dec-12 18:29:53

Merry Christmas - I havent posted for a while. Been doing 5:2 since mid October. I had a BMI of 26 when I started and still do. Obviously I didnt have much to lose. I have found the diet relatively easy and although I have only lost around 3lbs, plenty of friends, family and colleagues have commented I have lost weight.

My tum is substantially reduced and up until my festive indulgencies, my IBS was much better.

I only told my husband on Christmas day what I have been doing and have forwarded him lots of links to look at. He is 6ft 5 and weighs 15 stone, so nothing wrong with his weight. He is being very supportive.

I have also notice my hair growing more. I have long hair to begin with, but it is growing more.

My plan 'next year' is to continue with 5:2 but try to be a little better behaved on eating days and try and lose 3 - 5 lbs if possible. New job on the 7th, so not sure how my eating plan will fit - but I will make it some how.

Yeah - IBS is a pain at the mo. Too many rich naughty treats. Almost go as far as to say that I am looking forward to Christmas being over so I can return to 'normal' eating.

HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Iwearblack Mon 31-Dec-12 18:40:11

Happy new year all! And welcome to new posters ...
Have managed to do 6:1 over Christmas time but pigged out on other days and so looking forward to getting back to 5:2. Think I have put ona couple of lbs so not too bad (have you seen how many calories are in a mince pie!!)
Looking forward to reading THE book too!
wine

Happy New Year all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aftereights and TiP2 if this were a poker game I'd match your weightloss and raise you a few pounds. Tbh must have put on about 9lb over Christmas and haven't done a Fast now since a week before Christmas...the problem is, with my experiences over the past few months I kind of had the feeling I was immune to weight gain, that I could eat everything I wanted and not put on any weight....which was true......as long as I threw in atleast 2 fasting days a week wink

Still not too bothered ( well overly anyway hmm ) as soon as Christmas and the new year is over hope to get back into 5:2 or 4:3, more likely 4:3 for a while.......that's the great thing about this WOL.

Anyway, hope everyone had a great Christmas and a happy new year to everyone out there and a special welcome to all the de-lurkers and beginners. One last thing, a great big thanks to Greeneggs for starting this Thread and for keeping it going - your hard work has helped loads of us in so many ways.

Roll on 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aftereights and TiP2 if this were a poker game I'd match your weightloss and raise you a few pounds

I meant weight gain , as well as putting on weight I seem to have lost the ability to write coherently blush

TalkinPeace2 Mon 31-Dec-12 21:39:02

welcome all new people
and yup, it's going to be amusing all of us getting back on the straight and narrow next week!

Aftereightsaremine Mon 31-Dec-12 22:34:16

cyclistist grin