5:2 Diet Thread Part Six! Now's the time to de-lurk and chat with us..(985 Posts)
The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.
Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but we've filled several threads by now. Please share if you find something particularly useful, and we'll add it for the next thread.
First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.
Here is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.
And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. We tend to favour lots of hot drinks during the day (count your milk if you use it!)
Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.
We mentioned BMR and TDEE often. Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon.
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!
GirlWithTheMouseyHair asked everyone to answer some questions towards the end of the last thread. I don't want that to get lost, and I think there are still people who might want to answer but haven't, so I'll re-start that here. Here are her questions:
a) fasting since
b) how many fasts a week
c) pattern of fasts (set number of days inbetween, how many hours before breaking fast etc)
d) benefits noticed
e) negatives noticed
My own answers:
b) 3 fasts per week
c) always have one day in-between. Once a week I have two non-fast days in a row. On a fast day, I don't eat until the evening. Often on a non-fast day, I won't eat until lunch.
d) weight loss, lower grocery bills
e) having to plan meals so that leftovers still get eaten. Oh, and planning fruit purchases carefully. Sounds silly, but the first few weeks we had fruit going bad because we weren't eating it in time. (DH has also been following this plan)
Thankyou, as ever greeneggs for all your admin marvels.
Feed day today for me but did a 16 hour fast from 7pm last night until 11.30am today. have a tuna sandwich for lunch and chicken dinner after work.Still not weighed yet but still really enjoying and everything is looser so just plodding on. Definately feeling fuller quicker and not snacking hardly at all.
Enjoying my food at weekends without guilt!
Always good to start a new thread with a positive post...I had my weigh in today and have lost another 1lb, which puts me at 12lbs loss in 8.5 weeks. Very pleased with that!
My original target was 11,3 by this weekend when I'm a bridesmaid. This was my pre pregnancy weight and I'm only 4lbs from that and have actually enjoyed getting here for a change!
Also now in overweight BMI, rather than obese...although I do struggle with how BMI is calculated, but hey ho.
Thanks for the new thread Greeneggs!
Breadandwine, glad to see your wife is also finding that she's gone off chocolate...pretty lucky considering the stash you've just listed on the other thread!!
Thanks, GreenEggs [thumbs up]
Hi all - it's been a while since I've posted and I've tried to keep on track - I've been fasting faithfully but am getting really down. First, the stats:
a) fasting since - mid-September (6 weeks)
b) how many fasts a week - two
c) pattern of fasts (set number of days inbetween, how many hours before breaking fast etc) - Monday and Thursday usually, have recently moved to having a single meal at dinner time, so 20+ hours before breaking fast
d) benefits noticed - none at the moment: I've gained a pound since I last weighed myself 2 weeks ago!
e) negatives noticed - see above; also, someone mentioned more frequent periods, which I've noticed too. I am also bonkers ravenous at lunchtime on the day after a fast.
Now, here's my take on things: I have obviously been eating too much on my non-fast days. I plugged my stats into MFP and had to confront the painful math - I only need about 1580 calories to maintain my current weight (I am in the "normal" BMI range and am only 5'3.5"), so if I am having 2 days a week of 500 calories, that's still only about a 2,160 calorie a week deficit (not even a pound, which is 3,500 calories) assuming I am sticking to 1,580 on my non-fast days. And from my tracking on MFP for just 2 days I know I've been going over 1,580.
I was stubbornly sticking to the Varady conclusions that you can eat whatever you want to include "as much as you want", but then I recalled that her study was on people doing ADF, i.e., at least 3 and sometimes 4 fasts a week. I think that at my size only in those circumstances would I be creating enough of a deficit that I could ignore portion sizes on the days I wasn't fasting.
So, heavy sigh, I'm going to have to start tracking, at least for a couple of weeks, so I can recalibrate what "normal" and "not greedy" looks like. I had hoped against hope I wouldn't have to do that but I don't see any other way. Some people have mentioned that their bodies had been doing this re-calibration automatically - maybe if you have more to lose this is the case? I don't know, but I'd be curious to find out from those who have found that natural re-calibration.
Thank you, for maintaining these threads greeneggs they're certainly a major motivation for me given that I work from home and all the gastronomic temptations that entails!
Been a while since I posted - I had a couple of weeks off with holidays etc but am back to fasting now. On Monday I was 86kg (starting weight was 101kg), I'm doing 2 or 3 fasts a week, not restricting at all on non fast days & losing 1 kg a week consistently. Not at all interesting - I don't worry about what I'm eating or at what time of day etc just less than 500 calories & the rest of the time not thinking about it.
Of I started at the end of July so I've done 4 months approximately
You'll get there. But yes, you'll have to reteach your system what proper portions are. but it WILL be worth it.
Ive been doing 5:2 for 10 weeks now and reading this board for almost as long since it was on the first page and a few times its kept me going!
Ive finally decided to join in as Ive got a couple of questions (though Im not a Mum I hope its OK).
I fast Tuesdays & Thursdays (and have skipped one fast in 10 weeks), Ive gone from a BMI of 14.4 to 13.6 stone (Im 6 foot 2, 41 and a man so I was top end OK before on the BMI scale), but would like to lose a little more as most of my weight sits on my belly (still) long skinny legs before going to 6:1 forever.
Anyway on fast days Ive been having veg cup-a-soup (<100 calories) and sliced roast beef (100 cals); then for tea corn-on-the-cob and bacon or fish and rice its worked great except I now have hit a plateau for the past 3 weeks (this is not a concern) but I went online rechecking my calories and have found a corn cob at anything from 50-150 calories I know calories can be inexact given the size difference a corn cob could be but Id been counting 2 cobs as 150 but find it could actually be 300, so how sure is everyone else that they are staying within the 500/600 calories limit if the data they are using can be so far out?
Secondly my only struggle has been replacing coffee with milk & 2-3 sugar with water (which I hate doing in the morning) or black coffee (yuk); how does anyone think going forwards diet pepsi with almost no calories fits into this WOE? Ive always avoided it before as the false sugar seems likely as bad as the real stuff but I could get my caffeine / liquid fix quite easily this way.
Marking place to green eggs, for keeping this fab support thread going
"Breadandwine, glad to see your wife is also finding that she's gone off chocolate...pretty lucky considering the stash you've just listed on the other thread!!"
Hi stranger (or should that be 'Howdy'? )
It is remarkable that we've had a box of Thornton's milk chocolates opened for over 36 hours - and there's still only two of them gone!
I'm un-lurking and saying hello! I have been following this thread with interest and have decided to give it a go. I need to lose a stone to put me back to my pre-pregnancy weight (DD will be 2 soon so it's been a while....). I work full time and get very little quality sleep (DD terrible sleeper) so turned to comfort eating and drinking a glass of wine most nights a week to get through it so the weight has stuck. Also have an under active thyroid which doesn't help things, but this has been stable for a year or so now so I can't blame this any more!
On my second fast day today (first was on Monday). Just having some miso soup for lunch and then will most of my 500 calories for dinner tonight. Finding today easier than Monday where I probably went over the 500 calories. It's a revelation that I don't actually need all the snacks and extra things I've been having. Feel quite 'clean' and not craving anything for a change. Obviously early days for me for me so can't comment on weight loss etc.
fingers crossed for good results!
OOh a shiny new thread..thanks again greeneggs just popping in lunchtime at work so will make myplace later on . Fasting today .....
Have tried new strategy to try and get about 22hrs in today .. had eaten about 400 cals by 11am and will have a veg and miso soup (with lots of loveley Franks of course ) later if needed ..
Sometimes i find the third fast quite hard but I make myself do it on Thursdays deliberately as I 'officially WI' on a Friday!!
and I am very vain and want to have the scales show me as thin as possible .
Then ill be free to
pig out and booze have normal eating days at weekends
In the meantime more green
Breadandwine i know what you mean.. I bought a really expensive Berghaus waterproof jacket and fleece in the sale at the end of last winter season in size 14 . Its enormous on me now.. but im going to wear it anyway .. im pretty sure even if I ebayed it I wouldnt get anything like I paid for it and its virtually unworn....
Fast day - the first time I have skipped brekkie and you are right folks, it is easier.
Have had a few crisp breads and a slice of ham. Am looking forward to a stir fry this evening.
Am now 9st 12 down from 10 st 9 when all this started...end of Aug?
Am cutting back on alcohol at weekends and am imposing a strict no crisps rule at work ( except nightshift because at 4am I am weak )
I want to be 9 stone 7 by Christmas but we shall see...
Marking place - thanks GreenEggs
Might do my first WI for about a month today. If I make it through the day. DD's sleep just gets worse and worse
Another place marker!
I'm away on holiday next week and I'm confusing myself by not wanting to fast for social/fun reasons (and practicality with the kids not questioning) but equally I'm not sure i can face the thought of eating every day. Which in turn is worrying me as I've had such issues with food previously and had been quite happy on this and now I'm feeling a bit obsessive again.
It's going round and round and there are such equal reasons for and against I am in circles.
I'm sure most people will just say go with the flow and see how I feel but it's difficult mentally to have a change if you know what I mean.
Oh god, I've had a week off (it was my birthday!) I need to get back on it now. I don't dare go near the scales.
I've had a week of lots of work events that involved food - god it's not even Christmas! So haven't fasted since last Friday!
Three days of hotel and conference food was not much fun -and after rather a lot of I ate the little packet of biscuits in the room . I did choose the healthy options food wise - but wasn't that brilliant on portion size. I had a substantial breakfast before leaving today, but no lunch so might just have some superglue noodles with miso soup when i get home and make today an intermittent day and fast tomorrow. Good to feel that I can have a week like this though and not start thinking I've 'ruined the diet' - just that i need to resume my new 'normal' WOE
Hello everyone, new girl on the thread.
I've been lurking for 4 - 5 weeks having started 5:2 about 9 weeks ago. I've lost about 11 lbs and for the first time in years got on the scales last week and weighed 10 something instead of 11 or 12 something - I can't quite believe it!
I've probably eaten more chocolate, pizza, chips and 'naughty' food in the last 2 months than in the last 2 years, but have still lost weight And despite that very unhealthy list, I am actually making sensible food choices most of the time, have more or less stopped snacking and feel a level of control and peace of mind about eating that is - for me - very rare. Three cheers for Michael Moseley and IF! (I would have added a big grin there but I don't know how to do it......blush)
I am very anti zero calorie carbonated drinks - as the sweeteners trick your system into expecting sugar which is not good for it.
I've learned to cope with black coffee, other options are chinese teas which are drunk without milk, hot water with lemon juice, miso soup, or just glasses of water for those two days a week (think of the wine on the other days!)
My husband is the same height as you and his starting point was around 15 stone. He's into black coffee too.
Fast day and WI. No weight loss since last week which is slightly disappointing but I have reached my "normal" weight - ie the weight I have been for a long time and always come back to after a diet (the weight I have just lost was put on due to a broken arm resulting in less excercise and more sitting on the sofa eating).
The challenge now is to get past my "normal" weight and back down to something within my normal BMI (I'm about 26.5 at the moment).
Thanks greeneggs, always good to have a new thread. I too am wondering about 'normal weight' french as I've not been under 11 stone in about 5 years, still as I weigh 13 stone I don't need to worry yet.
AGeeksWife (snap btw) I'm not sure what to suggest - maybe being very strict about which days you fast, are your children in school so you could do it on a school day? Maybe also start only doing 6:1 so it doesn't feel like a big chunk of the week.
Set yourself that you'll do the fast every Monday, plan exactly what you'll eat then do your best not to think about it again til the following Monday.
I definitely found myself obsessing a little in the first few weeks but have calmed down now and finding it plain sailing
Right, marked my place..
I've just had my fiery soup .. but was only 50 cal .. so it wont be 22 hrs with totally nowt after all.. oh well....
thatbint Happy Birthday 21 again? hope you enjoyed it ...
Welcome toffeechops I'm like you.. scales well into the 10s now after years of 11's -13s and i'm eating things forbidden in all my WWatchers years....Great isn't it?.. Though i have WW friends who simply wont believe in any other method.. but they are mostly all 'stalled' also! Its the 'mustn't miss a meal .. its bad for you' mentality that these diets are peddling.. and then yes , people simply eat more than they should because their insulin keeps on the boil ..) Obvious really , but I never saw it before ..
Hi again catrus lol at superglue noodles.. I've only managed the one packet so far..
DGTdaisy agree with TIpeace2 don't go there,diet drinks just make you want more . Could you learn to love mint tea? its my lifesaver. Also id suggest you go for less carby veg rather than corn on cob on fast days , maybe a stir fry of different types? You can eat an awful lot of beansprouts with mushrooms, spring onion, broccoli garlic and ginger i've found... perhaps with some prawns or shredded chicken in ..
Right! must stop talking about food!
Ha! Have just worked it out (peri-menopausal brain not what it was - more pink mist than grey matter these days........)
talkinpeace2 I've just seen that link you posted on *bread and wines8 thread showing people at different weights and heights .. Fascinating! .. especially for someone like me who really has such a distorted mirror -view of herself .. I'm more acceptable than I thought!! Thanks
Green Thankyou for the new thread
AGeeksWife When I first told people that I was trying this woe a few people mentioned that it sounds like an eating disorder but I did point out that 8 vanilla slices in an evening was not whatI consider orderly. Maybe you could try keeping a food diary which would emphasise what you are eating and include Mr Geek.
TLS raised something towards the end of the last thread about how we are all so positive about this woe which may be due to people who may have given up no longer contributing. If anyone has given up, or intends to, but continues to follow the thread I would like to hear why as it would give balance to our experiences and perhaps support others who have stopped,
I really think it's important to take the long view. This is the way I will be eating for the rest of my life and therefore blips like holidays, Xmas
nightshift are not important in the grand scheme of things.
So I will not be fasting when on holiday and Christmas week will be a fast free zone. I suspect though that I will naturally modify my eating anyway and if I gain a few pounds, well so what, I'll lose them again later.
Hmm..... yes December.... I have two birthday weekends (one of them mine!) two works Christmas meals, and Christmas and new year themselves. with visits from and to friends and reles all over the place meaning fatted calf slaughtering all round ...
I might have to get my excel spreadsheet out and work this out .. because I AM NOT going to start next yearany heavier than now ..
... but I AM going to enjoy myself..(this year I may even have actually allow myself a mince pie or 2 -never would have even one in the WW years ) so I need to plan my fasts
I don't like mince pie.... but I do love Christmas cake and Christmas pudding so really looking forward to enjoying those this year!
Thanks Laska - and yes, it's great! With this WOE I feel as though I've stumbled into something that could end the old cycle of dieting-gaining-dieting for good. I'm doing it with Mr Chops and we've both settled into a Mon / Thurs fast pattern that, while not exactly easy, has become a regular thing that neither of us want to break.
Not sure if this will be of interest to anyone else but I'm also doing something called 'eating window' on my non-fast days. I didn't feel I could commit to ADF or 4:3 but on Sun, Tues, Wed and Fri I don't eat before 1.00pm or after 9.00pm (could be any 8 hour stretch but those times suit me.) I get the benefit of a 16 hr fast on non-fast days (if that makes sense) and I'm sure it's helped the weight loss and given me a greater sense of control over my eating.
That leaves one day a week - Saturday - for FEASTING! I do sometimes miss eating breakfast (I love cereal) but like many others here I feel less hungry if I don't have breakfast than if I do...... and toast and marmalade on a Saturday morning now feels like such a treat!
Bleurgh to Christmas cake, pudding and mince pies - hate raisins! But yay to roast potatoes dripping with goose fat!
DH working late tonight do debating doing a second fast day in a row today rather than tomorrow as I have a gorgeous beef casserole and fluffy mashed which I intend to cover in butter waiting for dinner for us, so swap that to tomorrow and get an early night tonight. Trouble is I've probably already used 200cal on breakfast (one slice of bread with home made lemon curd) and no 16hour break, but could have leftover veg curry for a late lunch then not eat til morning. Will prob go to bed with the children in any case tonight.
Ramble ramble ramble!!
My MEGA top tip for fast days is baked beans - a whole tin of healthy ones is around 400 calories - leaving spare for a slice of ham and a sprinkling of cheese and for the men a slice of toast.
And as Laska pointed out - its good to see yourself as others see you ....
the 5'5" 130 pound pictures are pretty representative of how I know I look.... what about you?
Laughing at the turn this thread is taking with all the Christmas food being discussed.
I look forward to the holidays. With this WOE I won't have to stress so much over baking, whether or not I should, etc. I love that I will be able to have a meal at Christmas and not be worrying in the back of my mind how I'll be paying for this later, or making excuses for it but will be back to normal after the holidays. I will just plan fast days when I can (I can't imagine straying too much from my current schedule, actually, except that I might move a day or two around, or drop down to 5:2 or a week instead of 4:3) and accept that my calories will be higher than usual. I won't break from fasting entirely over that time period, as I think it helps to keep me focused (and I imagine I'll appreciate it after a day or two of eating Christmas foods!)
Re: coffee. I think if you want to wean yourself from sugar, you could try sweeteners. I realise I incur the wrath of TalkInPeace2 by suggesting such a thing, but I use them in coffee sometimes on fast days if I want something sweet. Your reaction might vary, though- I don't have a problem with cravings after having a cup.
Another suggestion is to buy/make nicer coffee, which you'll appreciate the flavour of more, and might not feel the need to sweeten. I have a mokka pot for my stove which I use for a strong cup of brewed coffee, and use either Douwe Egberts or Lavazza ground coffee. So, nothing fancy, but they have a good flavour. DE also has an okay instant coffee which I keep around for emergencies, or for when I don't have access to the stove. (Though a french press is good for work as well!)
Sorry to go off on the coffee nerd tangent.
Well at 5ft 3" & 13 stone it isn't pretty but 14&half stone was worse!
Hi everyone. I love this woe!
However,I have been sticking with Ryvita for dinner on fast days. This is not good as I have five young kids. I don t want them know I am fasting.
Any ideas for a meal that looks like a dinner but with very few calories lol?
a hot salad : bed of lettuce, sliced peppers, mushrooms, bit of tomato, then warmed up smoked salmon fillet and a hot poached egg on top and fresh ground pepper
with a bit of portion control and aesthetics, something you'd be happy to have in a restaurant
and that IS the secret you know - what most restaurants now serve as starters make perfectly good main courses - lots of the skinny people I know have two starters when they go out rather than a main course - plenty of flavour and texture, low calories
I have less of a problem with sweeteners in coffee because the coffee is the main flavour.
Its the carbonated sweet aspartame drinks that have health implications :-)
Been lurking a while! Time to join in..... Thanks for all the advice...
Followed 5:2 since beginning of sept and settled in to a pattern of going 'local' (sounds less bonkers than 'fasting') on Mondays and Fridays.... This week started skipping breakfast as recommended here and have found this makes a big difference - after all those years of being brainwashed into brekkie being the most important meal of the day etc (it is much easier to extend the fast if don't eat first thing and no I haven't fainted in a heap yet).
Re drinks - I can handle black coffee but have found Earl Grey tea without milk surprisingly nice and peppermint tea good too. All other herb/fruit teas taste like Sellotape!!
Oh and lost 7lbs so far; if I lose another 3 I will be under 12 stone for the first time in 20 years ... Fingers crossed! (that will still make me have a BMI of 26 but getting nearer the Holy Grail!)
PS Foodie : baked beans. Serve them to your kids with toast under and bacon or hotdogs chopped in and cheddar on top. you just skip the toast and have less bacon and cheese
Could I please ask a question about the 16 hour fast? Does this mean NOTHING for 16 hours - eg say from 9pm on an eating day to 1pm on a fast day? Can you have a little milk in tea and coffee or should you just stick to water?
Does this WOE produce weight loss even if you don't do the 16 hour fasts?
I often have a mug of tea with milk at breakfast but otherwise nothing ....
mainly cos I need caffeine to do the school run!
not doing the 16 hours - the thing is that skipping breakfast or supper is the ONLY way to keep the calories down to 500 on fast days
Foodie - Think of veg based meals. Veg chilli, veg curry etc. My favourite fast day meal is a butternut squash and sweet potato casserole. Or do jacket spuds, but do sweet potato for you instead of normal. It doesn't need butter, I just add a bit of tuna and chilli. Check out the recipe thread for other ideas.
Dalek - I don't think the 16 hour fast affects weight loss,(Dr Mosely didn't do it) but it seems to enhance other health benefits
Not it isn't TalkinPeace You could skip lunch instead. Or you could eat three very small meals (soup for example).
One of the benefits to this WOE are the lack of rules. You do it your way.
I find that skipping breakfast means I have more calories for later on and I am no hungrier by say 11am than if I had eaten breakfast.... So I can have a better tea so as to not look like a weird eater in front of my daughter (I have to leave for work early so we only overlap for a brief chat at breakfast time)
Most of us will still have milk in our coffee/tea within the 16 hour fasting period, but we won't eat anything...
I have sweetener in my tea (but have always had that since I was in my teens as I just prefer the taste) but funnily enough, since starting this WOE I am going off the taste of sweetener in drinks. It hasn't affected my love of my daily can of diet coke, but I have recently tried a shapers drink from boots and it tasted SO sweet and yuck. Never thought that before...
Made lemon drizzle cake with my middle child today, and enjoyed a slice and am having fish and chips tonight as a treat! 16 hour fast then until tomorrow afternoon.
I suspect with Christmas it will be easy to skip meals around other large ones, and also, think of all the yummy salads you can have. One of my favourite parts of Christmas is the leftovers (cold turkey, boiled eggs, smoked salmon) All of which can be incorporated in to a fast day salad...
Thanks a million for those food suggestions. Yes I think the idea of a plate of salad is good,with something thrown in.
I worry a lot about food messages I give the kids!
remember that this diet is for those who have stopped growing - DH and I are 47. I've told our kids that when their bones have totally stopped growing, then they will need to really be careful about food, but for now DS has hollow legs
then again OTT salads are hardly a bad meal to show them :-)
I agree with TalkIn, foodie. When my son is old enough (he's 3 and takes very little notice of anything anyone else is eating, unless it's cake ) I'll just explain that adults have to have a fast day sometimes.
I think this WOE is actually better than many other short-term diets in that we're eating normally most days of the week. We aren't teaching them that fat is bad, or whatever, because we're eating it. My eating on non-fast days has improved a lot, and overall I'm eating a lot of vegetables (fast and non-fast days). I can only assume this is sending a good message.
Chicken and vegetable stir fry, serve the low cal and then add noodles for the rest of the family mmm soy sauce. My favourite low cal meal so far is tinned tomayues on 2 wholemeal toast with black pepper 250-300cals
Frenchfancy, I like the sound of butternut squash and sweet potato casserole, can you put it on the recipe thread, pretty please
Aracs welcome to the thread! I've also found I'm enjoying flavoured teas. I never really liked them much before. I've picked up some Chai tea this evening for my next fast day.
I also save my calories for the evening.
dalek if you have a look through the links in the OP, there is one which is about a study involving obese participants and weight loss. From what it says, they didn't have restrictions on when they ate their 500 calories.
This is just for weight loss, though. If you're interested in the other health benefits, it's best to have a 16 hour window to allow the cells to go into repair mode.
Oh damn I knew there was something I forgot. Does anyone have the link for the follow-up blog post where the blogger wrote to all the scientists and asked them questions? I meant to add that to the OP. At least I remembered to change the BMR/TDEE bit. sigh.
(the link should be in the tips and links thread anyway, I just thought it would be good there)
Hi Losers, Gainers and Stay the Samers
2nd fast day of the week almost over and struggled a bit today. Strongly suspect a top of the morning is on its way. Cant weigh in tomorrow morning as the battery has run out in my scales
Heading to bed now night all
Hi all ( a shy little wave & blush),
I was going to wait until tomorrow to introduce myself but just realised I am reading the blog that GreenEggs requested the setails of, here it is
Just very briefly as it is past midnight here, I have been reading your threads since Sunday & started on Monday after your superior knowledge boosted my confidence that 'this is the one' ... fasted Mon & again, tomorrow. Found it quite hard but not unbearable & really taking notice of what I eat on 'feast' days ( could have had wine tonight but chose not to , that is a defo newone for me!!!).
Anyway, serious eye droop & need to get the breakfast things ready before I go to bed, I will bore you again tomorrow with a bit more about me but quite like the 'hungry' feel already.
Well done to you all & good luck for tomorrow, fellow fasters & feasters!!!
foodie I have just told my kids straight up what I am doing /- avoiding dementia hopefully! They still hate me eating something different to them. Curry/chilli works though, butter in their rice, cauliflower rice for dh and I - still looks like a normal plate of food. Or baked fish with a fresh tomato sauce and veggies, kids can have pots.
Good luck with your next fast, Florence - I'm definitely feeling that 'this is the one' for me, too. Somehow, knowing that nothing is forbidden and that if I can't have it today I could still have it tomorrow, helps me keep on the wagon. Half the time, when tomorrow comes the craving's gone anyway.
I've been watching Great British Bake Off thinking 'Ooh, I could make that!' and I'm starting to believe I may actually be able to eat all sorts of stuff that I always thought was taboo and still reach / maintain a healthy weight. It's liberating!
Happy Friday fasting or feeding to you all.
DH coming home after all so today will be feast day as planned and fasting tomorrow. I never stick to a fast day if I try to do one on the hoof and not planned! Note to self I suppose...
So my veg curry will keep for tomorrow, planning to wt early with the children so not too long a day to try to make it to 22 hours
Yesterday was a feed day & we had Indian takeaway, I ordered the same amount as usual but I ate half of what normally do. I went to bed feeling stuffed & uncomfortable. It was not a nice feeling, & I used to go to bed like that most nights. Very much looking forward to a fast day today!
Off on hols tomorrow & I will not be fasting for a whole week, not particularly bothered if I put on some weight as I know I can lose it on my return. Holidays & weekends are the only time we eat as a family & I don't want to spoil that for dcs, but I intend to choose healthier options where possible.
Happy eating & fasting to you all.
I allow my self the odd Coke Zero if I'm desperate for something. I find it takes away hunger for a while and stops me wanting a glass of wine which would be worse in my case. I have drunk black coffee for years so i don't miss milk or sugar in drinks but as i don't want to overload on caffeine i drink Lemon and Ginger tea which does give me a little hit and then i don't miss the caffeine. I don't like ginger much but in the tea its very pleasing.
As i have a couple of days off work i am going to find time to make up some of your recipes and freeze some for next week and get around to reading some of the other linked threads some of you have been writing .
I'm quite sore from the Gym but i will go again today and maybe try a class as they can burn up to 500 Calories in one go. I am also trying to do some
time on the power plates on fasting days as i know from previous experience that its good results from minimal effort and i wont get light headed. Swimming has also helped as its something i love to do but never have time , just a few lengths at a steady speed can be very relaxing and again takes all thoughts of food away from your head.
I would recommend power plates to anyone who doesn't feel they can exercise as anyone can do this even if they physical problems. Toning up will make you feel more motivated especially if you have hit a plateau.
Thank you Greeneggs for keeping us all together and thanks to all of you for putting up with my long boring posts lol... It helps me to get it out there and i'm now thinking of stating a diary instead .
YOU ARE ALL AMAZING AND I WISH YOU HEALTH HAPPINESS AND MUCH WEIGHTLOSS.
Yay! Friday Wi and ive lost another pound!!
Well apart from my 50 cal soup ive not eaten anything since yesterday 11am and feeling fine. so doesnt really count as a whole 22 hr fast .. but pretty much so than before .
not eaten yet and going out to lunch today but wil have some breakfast ..
BUT beware people this WOE may save food money but is expensive inother areas. as well as my berghaus jacket swamping me now I am wearing a skirt today (bought about 5 weeks ago only 3rd wearing ) and its too big and slipping off my waist and hips !! Ill just have to get it altered.. cant afford another one . .. not going to buy anything else for a while i think ....
with apologies for those who are not losing ATM... but despite what I considered to be a 'bad' week (because I haven't managed a proper fast since last week) I appear to have lost 1lb
it seems my sensible food choices while away DID compensate for the lasagne, spag bol and pavlova at the start of the week and clearly the didn't take me over the net calories I needed - it probably helped to be more active too - rushing for trains with luggage and lots of walking. So clearly I can eat 'normal' food with everyone else and not put on weight so long as most of my choices are good ones - this thinking like a thin person will hopefully become second nature at some point
Another fast day yesterday and went really well. Didn't struggle at all and went 23 hrs until I ate.
Feeling fantastic at the mo- first month is over an although only 1 pound weight loss on scales my body has obviously changed shape a lot. I notice ( and does df) a massive difference which is so motivational.
Have also started daily exercise since starting so suspect this could be affecting the scales.
Had my first ''wow you've lost loads of weight' yesterday- is that not one of the best feelings ever?!
Had a really good week of 4:3 this week- DF is away this week and so I have a suspicion this has made me eat really well without his bad influence which is good.
Also- headaches seem to have gone which is such a relief ( hope I'm not tempting fate on that one!)
So all in all a very positive morning! Feeling good and for those worried about scales not budging- mine haven't but not worried as evidence has come in other forms after perseverence!
Have a great day everyone!
sputnik link is now on the recipe thread.
Please can I have a little celebration here? (balloons emoticon)
I've just realised that I am now at the GOAL weight (10st 7) that I set myself over three years ago , when embarking on a certain well known diet..at 13st 10 !!!!!!
(Happy Bunny emoticon)
.... Mind you I was stalled at over a stone heavier on that diet for about 18months until I started thisin late August ..
I LOVE love LOVE this WOE!!
well done Laska!!!!
and WOW blondie I think I would have to have a very busy day (NOT working from home) to do 23 hrs!
I am going to try for 16 today - should be do-able as long as I just have a late lunch / early evening meal.
Well today I weighed myself and have gained a pound but having done this for a few months now, I know this happens sometimes. Hopefully the weight will start to go down again in next few weeks. Well done all of you losing weight, it's exciting isn't it.
Just a quickie as i needed to say a BIG WELL DONE to Laska but could someone point me in the direction of the famous Mr L's famous tom, red pepper & lentil soup, I have had a quick look on the recipe thread but can't seem to see it, haven't really got time to go through all the links to see if it is there, many thanks
P.S. fast going well, had breakfast, a couple of cups of tea with milk, black coffee & currently ploughing through 1,5 ltr bottle of water. Looking forward to my lunch of tinned toms & toast which some nice person suggested (sorry can't remember who )& it used to be one of my favourite dinners when I was slim before DH & DC came along.....
Ok, on y va (off we go), onwards & downwards x
Well I lost 3 pounds last week and only three quarters of a pound this week!
A little disappointed but I do think my body has to rebalance after a big loss.3 pounds was a big loss for me. Going to stick with it .
Mid term,long weekend etc coming up so my aim is to maintain. I usually gain 3 to 4 pounds on such breaks.
We go to my mums and she is such a great cook. She cooks for a week before we arrive.
Am usually stressed about how much I eat there but feel relaxed this time.
I have a cold. Are there calories in snot?
<just putting you all off your mid-morning snack>
Im starting the 5:2 diet today, first fasting day today. My last meal was 6pm last night and I'm not planning to eat until about 2pm today where I plan to have some porridge then eat again at 7pm a meal about 300 calls.
I am a bit confused about the 16 hour rule, as it will be 20hrs from my last meal until eating porridge at 2 today. Or does the 16 hours suppose to start after fasting from your last meal which will be 7pm today until 11 am tomorrow.
Hope someone can clarify this for me and I haven't confused you too much!
Hi all, lurker here coming out of the shadows.
Have been following 5:2 with DH for mainly health reasons since we saw the original Horizon programme, but delighted with the weight loss like so many of you. Since we started, I have lost 14 lbs, and DH has lost 12 lbs. I'm down a trouser size and feeling so energised I just had to pick an appropriate nickname! Still have quite a bit of weight to lose, but finding this WOL easyish, especially with DH doing it as well.
Thanks all for the constant encouragement (even if you didn't know I was there ) and I have found all the links very useful. DH is due for a checkup at the doc soon, so we will see if the WOL has had any effect on his blood pressure. We are hoping so.
Did a fast day yesterday but eating lightly this morning as we are going out with friends tonight.
Have a great day everyone!
I try to think of my fast as 600calories in 36 hours 8pm day before to 8am day after fasting.
I try to make sure at least one period of 16 hours as near calorie free as I can manage so for a fast on Tuesday I go 8pm Monday-1pm Tuesday when I eat something, then eat again around 6pm Tuesday and nothing until 8am Wednesday - though I sometimes hold out for 10am the day after a fast (16 hours again). I then fast again on Wednesday evening through Friday morning.
So usually one 18ish hour fast and one 14ish hour fast? Does that sound about right.
sweetonion I could be wrong but I think it is up to you how you do it as long as there is a 16 hr break giving cell repair & growth time to kick in & your metabolism will have started using your fat stores up by this time? I may be a bit wrong but that is how I understand it!!!
i do it the other way round as it fits in better with the kids... so my lunch will be shortly, about 1pm here & have had breakfast & will not eat again until tomorrow morning so my fast will be at least 18 hrs long but that is what suits my family, as it if it works, I have yet to see as still only my first week!!! hth x
its still there florence on page 2
roasted carot, red pepper tomato lentil soup . I love it
Cheers a lot trills (not) Just what i needed when im just about to go out for eating day lunch at the pub !! hope you feel better soon..
WI this morning, and have lost another 1lb, so down 1 stone 3lb since starting this at the end of August. I don't contribute to the threads as much as I'd like, but do try to catch up from time to time!
Answering the questions from the OP:
a) fasting since 20th August
b) how many fasts a week 2
c) pattern of fasts (set number of days inbetween, how many hours before breaking fast etc) no real pattern-fits around what I have planned during the day, and going out. A Sunday fast seems to work particularly well for me-lets me get one out of the way before the week starts, and then it's easy just to pick one day Mon-Fri where I don't mind not eating.
d) benefits noticed weight loss! (See above) Much easier than calorie counting, and have only had one week since I started when I stayed the same-every other week has been a loss
e) negatives noticed None
oops, thanks Laska, I must have had a seious 'mummy brain' as I didn't realise there was a page 2!!! lol
Well done to all you losers, hope to join you next week!!!
Lunch was lush, now just need to be strong until breakfast tomorrow!! now off to find the soup on pg 2....
DGTD, SweetO, Flo Many of us do not do the 16 hour thing, including DrMM, and still seem to be getting the benefits. Personally I never used to but do now as a fast day for me feels easier without breakfast and my weight loss has been constant, google 16 hour fast though there is loads on there.
My weekly WI marker is Saturday and after a 3lb gain last week intended to do 4:3 instead of 5:2 by adding today and I have been doing an additional half hour walk after dinner. I weigh myself daily and as it looks like I will wipe out the gain, and then some (possibly 7lbs) I will just eat normally as I think this is just too much, too quickly (and I have the day off at home).What do you all think?
Porage used to be a frequent breakfast for me but I now always have something with higher fibre in an effort to restore my body's equilibrium. Also after watching Horizon it struck me that what I used to think was a positive in the slow release benefit of porage seems to contrast with what we are aiming for with regard to insulin production.
Well done Laska - hearing about other people's success with this WOE makes the hunger pangs easier to bear!
Someone (I think maybe Breadandwine?) said on an earlier thread that they have become evangelistic about intermittent fasting - me too! In fact I think I may have got my first convert having just spent the best part of an hour on the phone to a friend spreading the 'good news'. She's asked for links to the programme and other helpful webpages. I've done all sorts of diet plans, slimming clubs etc in the past and never felt I could recommend anything as wholeheartedly as I can this.
Eating day today - just off out with Mr Chops to get lunch in the tea shop on the edge of the village. The weekend starts here.....!
I've had an accidental week off! Since getting to pre-ds weight I have relaxed a little bit. I kept fasting until dinner time and then thinking 'ah feck it, let's have cake and I'll fast tomorrow'. Rubbish. Finally got my act together yesterday and low-carbed. I think it made a difference. I ate 500cals worth of eggs, cheese and ham, and didn't crave anything else. Will definately keep that in mind for future fast days. Have to try to keep my motivation up now, still a stone to go to pre-dd weight.
Well done Laska it's great to see people achieving their goals.....where do you go from here it'll be interesting to see how things go over the next month now that you've hit such a long standing goal (break out those Jalopino bites you were talking about and the
So brilliant to see so many new people on the thread stepping out of the shadows and contributing, welcome to all. And a huge thanks to Greeneggs for starting and running such an inspirational thread.
On two 'Up' days now until Sunday. But the beauty of this WOE/WOL for me is that I can basically eat whatever I fancy over the next couple of days without having to worry and by Monday will still be able to fit in clothes sizes I haven't worn since my long gone teenage years.
...As has been said before I LOVE THIS WOL. Good health to you all
Weighed in today. Stalled. Ah well.
My target was to lose a stone in the half term and I only managed 11 pounds ONLY tee hee!!!
Various friends have commented how much flatter my tummy looks and the crease under my arms is getting neater.
It will be interesting to see how I do as my BMI is 21.5 so I suspect if I wanted to lose much more I'd have to cut back on the weekend wine.
DH's BMI is nearly down to 25 and the weight is still falling off him !
I either do or don't do 16 hours depending on if you count coffee (filter coffe with a little bt of milk and sugar)
I have just read the blogs form that feadfast feed blogger that Florence posted the link for. I am already quite active out of work and ride and now go to the gym but i couldnt survive his regime of excersise let alone fit it in with my life as it is. In my view he is eating too few calories for so much excresise but good luck to him. I prefer the more gentle approach that seems to be working for us. I just cooked my zero cal noodles, i can make them look nice , i can make them have a reasonable flavour but i cant eat many as the rubbery texture is quite difficult to get used to . I chopped them up realy small and tried swallowing them whole but i still couldnt manage very many. I will try again another day maybe putting them chopped up in a soup.
I bought some zero noodles too (sheep ) and will be trying them this evening.
Also, I am on MFP with the same name if anyone wants to add me (still getting used to it as only started using it on Monday), great site but another great recommendation from you guys!!! x
Yay well done Laska, TalkIn and Mike (you might have already said about getting to pre DS weight, sorry if I missed that!)
WI yesterday for the first time in ages and in 6weeks have lost about 4-5lbs. To be honest was hoping there'd just be some movement on the scales because I can tell from my clothes that I've changed shape and "lost weight". Think I def could have lost more but I like my wine and if I hadn't been doing this WOE while we've had so many guests I definitely would have put on a lot of weight
My best friend flies out in Saturday and really want to talk to her about this WOE, need to plan the conversation well though because I'm aware it can sound a bit eating disorderish until you get down to the details - any ideas? I just think it would really suit her, we're the same age, work I the same industry (long strange hours, lots of socializing) both love good food and occasionally sitting in and eating a whole tub of ice cream both put weight on around our middles quickly and easily.
She's been in a show in the regions the last few months "living like a student" so is worried about how fat she's got. The real discovery about this WOE is that it can be for life - I can enjoy my wine (in moderation!), good food, occasionally eat a cheese toasts with my son without feeling guilty for it, and not put weight on. I do eat pretty healthily so it's not like I'm fasting to make up for copious MacDonalds and Fish and Chips or anything, but this seems so much easier to maintain for life than anything else. Add on the health benefits and you're laughing.
So, how would you start the conversation? She arrives Saturday, we're just going to do a beach day on Sunday so was going to fast then and Tuesday as that's the only day we don't have a dinner or party or night out planned while she's here
PiebaldR Florence I read the blog too and it just confirms what has been said repeatedly on here that "experts" talk bull as they have, as yet, no evidence. IMO we have more knowledge than the authors. bloggers, publishers, self publicists, profiteers etc as we are doing it and when the results do come out, if they recommend a full calorie free day then that is what I may do, as now we all know we can do it, in the meantime I intend to do as I am doing as it is working for me. Also, the same as Bread and Laska, I find myself biting my tongue so as not to appear evangelistic but know of 3 people who are doing this too after noticing the visible success I am having. To anyone I would say "try it if you succeed great, if you fail you have saved a few quid on groceries"
Hi All, thanks Greeneggs for the brand new post. I've read and contributed to all the others but have been absent for a couple of weeks and this thread has really moved on!
Way to go Laska, really proud of you.
I'm quite happy telling people about it - FAR better to do this than spend money on gimmick foods and failing weekly meetings
and I've visibly lost weight in two months.
What's NOT to be pleased about.
Whoops... I have bought some gimmicky food.
Hello GWTMH, is your friend likely to notice your weight loss? That usually gives a way into a conversation on eating (or not, in this case!) in my experience.
Speaking to my closest friend on the phone today I happened to mention my new WOE (she was asking how I'm managing without a kitchen as we're having building work done so it came up quite naturally) and she immediately said 'Tell me all about it, I'm bigger now than I've ever been and I'm absolutely desperate.'
On the other hand, I've initiated a conversation with a couple of people at work and they just nodded politely and weren't really interested. I wanted to say 'Look, you have to try this, it's brilliant!' but it's a bit tricky to do that without implying they're a bit of a chubster.
Had corned beef hash at the tea shop.....totally lush Autumn comfort food and best of all NO GUILT!
Hi GWTMH I know what you mean about wanting to share the benefits of this WOL, I feel evangelical as do others about this at times (I should get out more). For me the best way of getting someone to take it seriously without sounding or looking to weird is to suggest watching the Horizon programme. That was my tact with someone I cared about and it worked 100%.
Almost every single person who knows me has commented on the difference in me over the past 8 weeks or so which is strange in a way as I lost about 35lb between last Christmas and this July and have lost about 20lb since starting this, no-one seemed to really notice until I switched to this, probably as this has affected my shape more than anything else.
On a personal note I suppose one of my flaws is I'm always so sure I'm right I need to see that I've convinced someone of the 'truth' as I see it (even when I'm wrong), but with this I feel no need to convince as I'm sure deep down that this is a good and healthy way of living and if they choose to follow it then so much the better...and if they don't there's no problem, this WOL is still valid and it's there for them if they want.
Hope it goes well.
I've been lurking on these threads for ages but the title of the current one has flushed me into the open, if only to say a heartfelt 'thank you' for being a source of entertainment, inspiration and support over the last month or two. Here are my answers to the questions posed earlier:
a) fasting since: 17th August
b) how many fasts a week: 2, usually Mondays and Thurs or Fri
c) pattern of fasts: generally skip breakfast and lunch and save the calories for an evening meal
d) benefits noticed: inches off waist and hips, having to be creative with calories (someone has already linked to the recipes I'm sharing on my blog), really savouring the food I eat on fasting and non-fasting days, lost about 6kg/14lb so far
e) negatives noticed: spend a lot more time thinking about food! Can get a bit 'hangry' before eating on a fast day.
Plan to drop to 6:1 once I get to my target weight (just a few pounds to go).
Hello again to all!
I'm sat here doing some work on an eating day and am writing this post to distract myself- why may you ask!
I find that now that I'm aware of it- I have a regular battle with wanting to eat because I fancy something but NOT because I'm in the least bit hungry. Although its an eating day I'm still consciously learning to eat when my body tells me to - not my head and eyes!
Anyone else know what I'm on about? Do hope I'm not the ony one!
You are by no means the only one.
For DH the hardest part has been recognising that a rumbling tummy will survive for an extra hour and that being a bit hungry is what we were evolved to be.
And yes, learning not to snack - when the whole industry for the last 40 years has told us to - is REALLY REALLY hard.
Are you drinking plenty?
I find a pint of water is good instead of a slice of cheese!
Me too. I realised a couple of years ago that I NEVER let myself get properly hungry - just 'topped up' the moment I didn't feel completely full. It's a difficult habit to break but with this WOE I do at last feel that I'm re-learning what 'true' hunger is.........and realising it won't kill me to endure it for an hour or two longer.
I think at least I have that conversation with myself blondie...before I just ate. Now I ask myself if I'm hungry...
Today is an intermediate day...and after my 16 hour fast, I've ended up snacking this afternoon, but don't feel too bad as I didn't have breakfast or lunch. And I am really looking forward to the wine this evening!!
Girlwiththemouseyhair...if she's a good friend, then hopefully you're comfortable enough with each other just to bring up what you're doing?
Good to see more posters on here....
I have realised too that for years I have had a fear of being hungry and so end up doing a lot of 'pre-loading' ie better eat now in case I am hungry in half an hour...... This means I never let myself get really hungry and I have associated 'hungry' with 'not being stuffed' sigh welcome to the world of the over-eater!
The good thing about this WOE is to find out that being hungry isn't that bad at all and hey the world doesn't stop because my stomach rumbles occasionally. Plus as others have said, hunger doesn't increase evenly but plateaus, so is manageable. However, I do like food so do want to eat and thus when it is time for a meal I can enjoy it without guilt.
However I do worry about the consequences of this WOE if people have anorexic tendencies - do you think it will help to manage the need to control food intake or exacerbate it??
Thanks for posting that recipe Frenchfancy, will definitely try that.
I'm off on hols for a week, I probably won't get to fast but I'll be right back on it when I return.
Arac I'm the same, would think I'm not having dinner for a few hours so I should eat now so I'm not hungry and starving an hour before dinner! Also the fear that if I don't eat I'll faint has gone as obviously I'm managing to fast with no adverse effects. Have just worked out that without even really thinking about it today I've already done 17hours!
Fast day but eating with the children at lunchtime so will have to try not to eat again after this, eeeek
My friend is good enough to talk this over with, I guess I'll use her as an experiment before bringing it up with my brother, who WILL poo poo and ask if I'm becoming anorexic (ha, as if! Never had an issue with eating too little!) but he's staying for 3 weeks so he's gonna have to lump it frankly!
The zero noodles are okay I guess. Not hideous. They are difficult to bite - I stuck the kitchen scissors in and snipped them up.
If they are basically made of fibre does that mean I'll be very ahem regular tomorrow?
after asking last week about breastfeeding (thanks to those who responded) and IF and then doing my own research I decided to just give it a go. So far, it's been brilliant. I am feeling really well, not weak or light headed, baby is well and milk supply not affected. Even with broken sleep I have more energy than I've had in ages and my mind feels alert.
My first 2 fast days were so do-able that I decided to add a third and though it's early days I feel like this could definitely be a permanent way of life. Since I've gained weight steadily with 2 pregnancies I have 6 stone to lose, but for the first time it doesn't feel daunting to get back to health.
Am struggling to keep up with thread but wanted to say thank you to all for great advice, tips, and recipes!
Trills i didn't eat too many noodles due to the texture but i think i could get used to it by trying them in different ways and i will try the scissors next time. However what i will say in their favor is after eating them i wasn't even a tiny bit hungry and didn't think about food all day. I managed to do several rounds of baking with puff pastry and cheese for a party nibbles at the stables later. They smelled divine and i could have eaten loads but i wasn't hungry. I ate my version of Chili non Carne about 8pm and it was delicious . I also made a coleslaw that i ate on the side using the same carrots , celery and cabbage that was in the chili. Extra low fat mayo at ten cals a tablespoon and i was a happy lady with enough cals for a white wine ... a good day for me ... Now i wait and see what effect the noodles and high fibre chile have upon my system today.
Hi everyone! Happy weekend!
Have been reading a lot of other peoples answers to GWTMH questions. It's reassuring to see how many people have been doing this for a long time. I thought I'd record mine, not becausr i think it adds anything but mostly so that I can look back in a few months and see how I've changed.
My own answers:
a) last Monday
b) 2 fasts per week
c) fast on Mondays and Thursdays. Reason are that I can sort out the weekend indulgences ASAP and I wouldn't want more than 3 days eating! Tend to fast from tea-time to tea time tho have a piece of fruit handy just in case!
d) so far just the 4lb weight loss in week 1
e) none so far. I don't get any of the tiredness or dizziness in fast days that some mention.
Now to catch up on the rest of thread #6!!
blondie I know exactly what you mean. I started this WOE because I was lured in by the fact I can eat what I want 5 days a week. But I have been calorie counting for interest. So now I find myself staring at food thinking "but do I really want it"!
Just realised I didn't answer the questions!
A) since the week the programme aired, so 2 calendar months
B) I try to fit in 3 fasts but am flexible around work / events etc.
C) pattern shifts - when I'm in work I find just one meal in the evening the best pattern, if I'm working at home I'm more likely to eat lunch as well, tend to make a big pot of something veggie.
D) benefits - lost 14lb, finding it a very easy woe, love the flexibility and the fact I can be sociable, have , guilt free lunches when there is no "healthy" option etc and not feel I have "fallen off the waggon"
E) I honestly can't think of a single negative! Maybe the shock of realising how few calories I actually need to maintain weight - NOT the 2000 'average woman' figure I have always worked on (which is why previous calorie counting diets stopped working after a few months )
I'm also really losing track of how long I've been doing it for and exactly how much I've lost - it might be old age but I think I'm shifting in my thinking as my concern now is not really a target weight (I met that one!) but getting to a healthy waist measurement and weight for my frame size. I have been under the illusion I was at least medium framed (the old 'tall, big boned' theory) but now have to accept that while my BMI is normal I am small framed and should be about 7lb lighter than my target in order to bring the waist into the healthy range. On this WOE I do feel confident I can do that.
Only joined the thread recently but can I answer too?
a) started on 20 August
b) fast on Mon and Thurs (but also do 8 hour eating window Sun, Tues, Wed, Fri)
c) I save my calories for one evening meal, but I can't go without milk in tea or coffee so I am not quite 'calorie free' during the day.
d) have lost about 12 lbs - am trying to weigh just once a month as weekly weigh-ins can mess with my resolve and throw me off course. Much more relaxed about eating and hoping I'm getting the other health benefits (which was my main reason for starting)
e) sometimes find it hard to sleep on fast days.
Oooh, I've been tempted out of my lurker status by the title!
I'd like to say a big THANK YOU to everyone on these threads. The conversations have been great, especially interesting to see how people are tailoring to fit their lifestyles.
Here's my answers:
A) Started - early September. The 5:2 threads made me want to give it a go.
B) How often - twice a week. Usually Mon and either Weds or Thurs.
C) Pattern - no breakfast (drink tea though), veg soup for lunch, and 300cal meal in the evening.
D) Benefits - lost some weight and down one dress size. Like the flexibility.
E) Negatives. None, but like catsrus, I've been shocked by how few calories I need to maintain weight. It's approx 1300 cals at the weight I am today and I still have half a stone to lose.
This WOE has made me realise I was in the habit of eating before I felt hungry, just in case I might need food later.
Thinking back, I used to eat in a similar way to the 5:2 principles pre-DC (but unconciously). I'd skip breakfast here or there, have a day of eating very lightly. I fainted once in early pregnancy with my first DC because I'd forgotten to eat (busy time at work). It was horrible, and ever since then, I've made sure never to let myself get to that point again. It still feels strange to let my body get to the point where I can feel hunger, but good
myjoy I am so pleased to hear that you have found this woe compatible with bf, I have had so many negative responses about doing the fasts while bf. I haven't noticed any ill effects so far (been following for nearly 3 weeks) and my supply is the same as before. I feel happier and still have enough energy to care for my dc.
Are you allowing any more calories? I sometimes go up to 600 on fast days depending on how I am feeling. I am also eating plenty of oats and chugging back the water!
Good luck with your continued loss!
P.s out of curiosity, how old is your baby?
After expecting a weight gain last week I was still surprised that it was 3lbs but after a careful week I have lost 5lbs. Could have been all of those pizzas and pies staying in the system longer or just water but pleased I am back on track.
This morning I was reaching the end of a packet of cereal so with my fat bloke attitude I had 50% more than usual to finish it and now I feel bloated, will not be doing that again.
Catsrus I think the programme was aired w/c 6/8/12 as that was my first fast and have actually been recording my weight from the outset.
Hi All its a glorious Autumn day in Glasgow and I'm heading out for a cycle. Normal day for me - no breakfast yet but have a nice lunch packed. See you all later and enjoy your day
Lots of posts to have finally caught up on since my last contribution and a shiny new thread - thanks Greeneggs.
A) Started - 13th August - wow, nearly 11 weeks. That has gone fast
B) How often - Monday, Wednesday, Friday. first 3 weeks were adf but i didn't enjoy fasting on a weekend.
C) Pattern - no breakfast on a fast (and not often note on any day really) miss lunch if i can and save most calories for an evening meal.
D) Benefits - lost 12-14lb and dropped a dress size. Now i have a bmi of 20.6! lots of extra energy. Skin great. Have also taken up exercise again for the first time in too many months. Feel the fittest, healthiest, sexiest that i ever have in my life. never thought i would feel like that after have a child.
E) Negatives. Sometimes TOO much energy and occasionally struggle to get to sleep on a fast day. If i haven't planned what i an eating on a fast day then i do struggle. If i know what i am having and its readily available for when i might want it, it is a breeze.
I did find Wednesdays fast quite difficult and then couldn't stop eating on Thursday, which is not like me. Started to get some spots though which indicates TOTM on its way. I am irregular so don't know when its coming. since starting this woe though i have had two periods within5 weeks of each other (assuming its on its way in a day or 2) which never happens so initially this seems to be regulating me. I actually had my ds by ivf so maybe this will help my fertility rather than hinder it, as some other research suggested. Not trying for another though!
laska - I've only had one of the six packs of noodles too. Can't bring myself to try them again yet, lol
Had a gorgeous steak dinner last night, and some wine...this morning i wasn't hungry but decided to eat as i don't want my body to get used to not having breakfast.
I've got back from body attack And am now contemplating lunch...or not. I suspect, I will just have some soup (no bread, which I would never had done before) and hold out for dinner. Or perhaps have a slice of cake with a cuppa instead later. So many options...I would have had lunch and cake and dinner before...
Tomorrow I'm a bridesmaid so shall enjoy plenty of vino, and a nice meal and the breakfast at the hotel on Monday morning, and shall hold my fast until Tuesday for a change.
trills there are no calories in snot - they use it to make those zero calorie noodles you get from Amazon...
Congratulations laska on reaching your goal and you others whose names I've forgotten. I have only lost 1.2lbs in 4 weeks, and on the old type of diet would probably have given up by now, but know I only need to do an extra fast day when I'm ready to.
I have started exercising again though! In one of the early 5:2 threads the 30 day shred was mentioned so I thought I'd give it a try and it's great! 25 minutes for the beginners workout which is concentrated strength, cardio and abdominal exercises. Just what I need. Someone made a comment that Jillian Michaels is a nutter, but she's no more a nutter IMO than any of the other bootcamp type instructors. I've seen her on 'the Biggest Loser' too.
Halloween Wednesday and have bought the sweeties for the trick-or-treaters, but hope there's some left over!
molly Your noodle comment made me
I agree about Jillian. She's a nut but she gives a proper workout in the time given, no time wasted with fancy dance moves.
Fast day today. I think it's a Covent Garden soup for supper this evening. No idea what I'll be having tomorrow, but I think a bit of cake will be involved. We have a toddler birthday party to attend.
Pleased to report I'm back on track after slipping off the wagon on Monday when I was feeling v poorly and sorry for myself. I usually fast Monday and Thursday but this week have done it Wednesday and today. Just about to start making tonight's vegetable soup and am looking forward to it.
I had said from the very start that I would not fast at the weekend because I don't really want the children to see me "dieting" (I have a nearly 12 year old girl who has very high standards academically and goes to an all girls school and I am very mindful of possible eating disorders) but the whole family is away this evening.
So no harm done! That's a great thing about this woe ... the flexibility.
I am on fast day 17 here. Still reckon I've lost 3 or 4lb maximum. Oh well!
Did my big AGM this morning.
Had chosen my clothes - checked them last night. They were TOO BIG. Dug out a dress that I used to squeeze into 10 years ago.
One of my lovely delegates (70, ex military) said I looked "wonderfully glamorous"
A nice thing to hear at 47!
DD is 14 : I know the eating disorders stuff
BUT if you eat healthily - a big veggie stir fry or stew and serve hers with noodles or fish, then you are actually giving her a really positive message about controlled eating and self esteem
you could get her to cook WITH you - making meals that hit all the vitamin and nutrient levels (good maths for her to calc) and research what other societies eat (geography, PSHE , RE) what we lived on in the past (history)
and make proper meal preparation integral to life (biology and chemistry)
DH got our kids to look at making a meal from each continent - we failed but it was fun looking
and if nothing else, her fresh eyes may spot what is stopping you losing weight and save her from putting it on ...
My DD is only 11months but I'm already worried about eating disorders and adolescent depression - not that I don't worry about DS but most of my friends who went through those issues when I was growing up were female (including me).
DS birthday party today, so glad I did 3 fasts this week and will prob turn it into ADF by fasting again tomorrow as I know next week I'll only realistically do Tuesday. So nice to tuck into actually pretty healthy party food (maybe apart from the cocktail sausages, soooooo good!) and have a hefty chunk of the frankly delish butternut squash birthday cake (if I do say so myself)
Getting my best friend from the airport in 10mins, prob won't be I much in the next week but will try to keep up reading.
Have a good week fasters, and happy Halloween!!
Morning - new to website and to this WOE. Like many of you I saw the Horizon program back in the summer and wondered if it would work - but I did nothing more about it. Two weeks ago I had to be nil by mouth for a hospital procedure (1pm Wednesday - 3pm Thursday). I was amazed how 'undifficult' it was - wouldnt say it was easy. Again like many of you, I could cope with the hunger it was cravings and habit that had be doing circuits of the kitchen.
Last week I gave it a go for a day. I did have a blinding headache but if truth be told I had a headache the day before also.
So I plan to start this week (half term). I plan to fast Mon and Wed (sometimes Thurs instead of Wed). I have read loads about skipping breakfast and 16 complete fast. I think I will see what works for me, but will certainly start with 16 hour fast etc.
I have to say I am quite excited. Heading out today with hubby for a spot of lunch and it will be great to eat whatever I fancy knowing tomorrow I am putting it right.
I am JUST within an acceptable BMI. I am 36 years old, 5ft 10 and weigh 12 stone. I have lost a stone since May by calorie counting - but it has been hard and I find it very hard to get back to it when I have had a treat weekend to celebrate birthdays or been on hol etc.
I do struggle with portion control - so I am already very concious that I must not blow out completely on non fast days. I am hoping that tum with be smaller and not too bothered about being stuffed. Also plan to keep a log of what I eat on non fast days too. Wont log calorie and fat content but just a note of what I have eaten so I can see clearly if I am over doing it.
Sorry for the log post - just so excited to get going. Will post again after my second fast day next week and update you all.
WISH ME LUCK!!!
Hi liberty welcome and good luck
I think it definitely helps if your starting point is having seen the programme - and this is a wonderfully supportive group
Hi liberty - go for it. As another (pretty much) newbie I can definitely say the thread is very supportive and encouraging .
Still struggling on with the C25K - end of week 2 now. I missed Friday because of (a) unspeakable weather (b) the outlaws staying and (c) twinge in a leg muscle, but took advantage of the extra hour this morning to go out before they were up. Found it like running through treacle! All you early-morning exercisers, please tell me - is this because I hadn't warmed up and stretched enough (I thought I had, but maybe not...), because I hadn't eaten, or just because I'm not used to it? I normally exercise between work and supper. This doesn't bode well for exercising on a fast day . Or is it just because I've eaten too much while the outlaws are here so I'm feeling generally sluggish? Have to say I feel livelier now I've had breakfast. Any advice anyone please?
Hi Sarah - I always exercise first thing in the morning as I find the opposite- as the day goes on I have less motivation as less energy.
Maybe it's because I'm half asleep when I do it!!
I always seem to have more energy after a fast for some reason despite usually not sleeping well after a fast. Very bizarre.
Stick with it though- It may have been a one off.
I know my ease of exercising has a lot to do with attitude so have to put myself in the right frame of mind otherwise I find it really hard.
Good luck though!
We have never hidden our fasting from our children. DD1 (13) watched the horizon programme with us and decided she wanted to do it to lose a bit of her tummy. We agreed she could do 6:1. She did it for 3 weeks, lost the tummy she wanted. She then started swimming club and now swims about 2km a week so no longer needs to diet, so has stopped. The other 2 DDs like days when we are fasting as they get to eat food they like (fish fingers etc) which we don't normally eat.
I think that we worry too much about eating disorders in teenagers and not enough about stopping them getting fat and then obese. Obesity kills many many more people than eating disorders, and many more than that suffer illness due to obesity. I'm not saying eating disorders aren't a problem, but I do not believe that dieting, or seeing parents dieting, causes them.
If we genuinely belive that this WOE is a healthy long term solution then we should be teaching our children about it not hiding it from them.
I'm afraid I disagree with you frenchfancy. Eating disorders and disordered eating are huge problems and whilst obesity might kill you, that is many years down the line. Anorexia nervosa is by miles the major cause of death in women under 25 years old. Anyway, I very much doubt dd will become obese because there is no obesity whatsoever in either side of our family and at the moment she is shaping up to be a tall, strong girl like her paternal grandmother.
But, hey, we can agree to disagree. I'll do this my way and you do it yours .
hi all loads of posts since friday ..
I'm fasting today , but its going to be easy..I seem to have contracted a tummy bug so only feeling like mint tea....
Catrus (and someone else) mentioned how surprised they were at how little calories they needed to maintain weight.. I was also . its only about 15-1600 in my case, even taking into consideration the cycling and walking ..
However , I know I do that I should make an effort to up my exercise.. Someone in the last thread mentioned that as we get older (I'm 54) that we should look to do more weight bearing exercise .. I've tended to stick to cardio, but think ill start using the hand weights that I have gathering dust under the shoe rack , and maybe even pop my head around the gym door and see what its like .. I have been thinking about joining our local sports centre where they do have some good classes.. but I'm not naturally a 'joiner' and can always find excuses not to go. no real excuse , but Its quite rural where I live and very easy to just hibernate after I get home in the evenings.. what I really need is something I can go to straight from work, but sadly all the classes in our main town seen to start at about 7pm..
SWAFOT Exercise has been mentioned several times with some saying it makes no difference whilst others say it does. Depending on the intensity of your exercise (aerobic/anaerobic) not eating must, I believe, have an effect on your energy levels as we use glycogen directly in anaerobic exercise and to help to process fat in aerobic workouts. It seems possible that exercising before breakfast may have contributed but you do mention an injury, a general change in your household, and maybe it could be the clocks changing affecting your sleep pattern. For me the recent change in the climate has made it seem more of an effort to work out.
Last week there were a few reports of weight gains and I have read of a study where people put on an average of a pound in autumn but lose it in spring and as we are all in the process of losing weight the gain might be more. For me the act of putting on weght for protection from the cold and as storage of food for the winter months where not much grows has been a regular occurence although I now have enough fat stored to take me through to 2020
have to correct you there
as per this data from the CDC on causes of death in women, by age group, anorexia does not make it into the top ten at all
Heart disease on the other hand comes top
Excuse me for jumping in here but just wanted to ask a quick question....
On your non fasting days do you count your calories at all, is there a minimum that I should be eating?
I eat approx 1600 cals on my non fasting days although my daily needs to mantain my weight is 2100 cals... will this make a huge difference?
you should not be "dieting" on your non fast days.
Look up what your correct level of calories are for your lifestyle (link in the OP) and stick to that
many posters are having to learn about portion control so are calorie counting
remember that the calorie deficit of the fasting days should be enough to get all of the weight loss
and the hunger gaps are what gives the health benefits (ish)
Hi all! Been lurking and just wanted to ask about the article in the op that talks about IF possibly having downsides if you are a normal BMI. My BMI is 25.1 so basically very slightly overweight. Therefore would it be suitable for me? Dies the article mean 5:2 is bad, or does it mean 1:1?
I was thinking of maybe starting 6:1 and seeing how I go, is it possible to get any results at all this way? I have such a busy life and I can only envisage managing in one day/week.
Oh, do you still have to calorie count on eating days?
I think the only reason I would want to starve myself completely on 2 days would be so I didn't have to watch what I eat the rest of the time!
Thank you Talkinpeace2...I better take another look at my planned food to get me up to 2100 cals!
Its actually harder than you think! lol
I'm just trying to get myself out of binge/guilt cycle and hope that 5:2 is that way forward for me
mummyshappypills welcome.. I was was only just above normal bmi when i started and am now well into it and have lost 13lbs so far . I do 4:3 mostly , .
Really you just need to try it and see what works for you. You are aiming for a total overall calorie deficit over the week so with a little to lose 6:1 might be all you need to work for you..
But although you don't need to count calories on your non eating days , its probably best not to eat too much over your total daily need figure (TDEE) ( work it out from the links above) if you do want to lose weight.
When it comes to the health benefits it seems that its the the fast that is the important thing (although we are all experimenting here). But remember you are not 'totally starving' yourself on those days either.
Only you can know what your goals are , and what you want to get out of it. Most of us here seem to have have started on 5:2 and then jiggled it around to fit in with what we want to get out of it. The beauty is that its a Way of eating (WOE) and not a set diet per se.. . I don't particularly count calories on eating days now, but did for a while as I needed to get a handle on what eating my TDEE looked like .
Good luck and there's lots of support here..
I've dropped my BMI from 23 to 21.5 - and have now stalled (then again the large glass of red wine at my side might have something to do with that!)
My yoga teacher (50, uber fit) has dropped to 6:1 to keep the health benefits but lose no more weight (her BMI is around 21)
the wonderful thing of this WOE is that nothing is forbidden, nothing is wrong : you just eat sensible quantities of what you like 5 days a week and not a great deal of healthy stuff two days a week.
Almost the most positive thing is that it encourages menu planning : thinking about what you will eat at a later date, rather than fridge grazing
as THAT is the bit of the modern western diet that is so unnatural
(DH and I were chatting about it over glass of wine at end of Sunday lunch)
fresh food available all the time is a really modern thing - since the 1950's - that we have not yet adapted to in positive ways.
This WOE rebalances that in a way that we feel in control
mummyshappypills and any other new posters
I thoroughly recommend you read breadandwines Links and Tips thread .(link above) - and not because I've posted on it
MOB - thanks, that's something to think about. Could be a number of things then... think I will try and avoid mornings though unless there's a good reason.
I think I must be doing this all wrong I fast twice a week but I am very hungry on the days immediately after fasting, it hasn't made me think more about what I eat, it hasn't made me exercise more portion control or think more carefully about eating a more healthy diet or stopping snacking, I don't like the taste of processed food, so avoid it anyway. I haven't lost any weight, my BMI is between 20-21 depending on fluid fluctuations.
On calories lost on a weekly basis - my running consumes somewhere between 1300-1700 a week and my calorie deficit from fasting twice a week must be somewhere between 2000-3000 calories....so I must be catching up by 3300-4700kcals over 5 days for my weight to remain stable, which is a hell of a lot of extra food.... I'm wondering if this way of life training me to eat more rather than less and am I the only one who has found this?
If this way of life is training me!
TML What are you hoping to get from this WOE ? Are you looking to lose weight or doing this for for long term health? You are in a very good BMI , and obviously doing a lot of exercise...
Why would you want to lose weight if your bmi is 20-21? That suggests to me unhealthy body image, sorry.
Well I think even though it was a fast day i've now eaten about 650 cals. But not too worried as have been feeling rough all day with stomach bug.. but about an hour ago I started feeling really hungry and faint so had some soup followed by some natural yoghurt (already had eggs for breakfast this morning ) but I think I am going to go to bed really early (like now!) with my book and take some mint tea..
Hopefully ill feel better in the morning..
Actually TML it sounds to me as if you've cracked it!
BMI is a very "gross" figure : some people are too thin at 24 and others too fat at 19
I'd like to get my BMI to just under 20 - because allowing for my build and the amount of exercise I do then I'll still have boobs and a bum but not a flabby tummy or hips.
The main thing is that anybody with a BMI under 22 needs to be thinking carefully about WHY they might want to lose more, and what do their good friends say about their size.
I see all my gym friends naked in the changing room and we are all pretty succinct about gain or loss - but that in itself is a sign of self confidence
what is your TDEE - mine is 1550 : so fast days are only a 1000 shortfall ....
Oh bloody hell I can't say anything. Good luckone and all, am sticking with 5:2 for the foreseeable. Dh and I are feeling the benefits even if the weight isn't falling off. Will lurk and check back in occasionally.
(((Mintyy)))) Don't be precious - your comments elsewhere show that you are worth more than that.
Lurk. crack it with you and DH and DD and PLEASE lord it over all of us when you are ready :-)
Mintyy I didn't say I needed to lose weight, I just said I hadn't lost any weight. On body image - the thing that might surprise people is that even with a low BMI there will always be parts of your body that stubbornly hold onto fat, being a classic pear, means I am still of ample arse and thigh...believe it or not my lower half looks like it belongs to a different body to my upper half, which is scrawny and too skinny.
What am I trying to achieve with 5:2? I'd like to avoid Alzheimer's and dementia, the cancer thing would be good too. If I lost some weight off my arse I wouldn't cry a river.
I'm not looking for advice, I'm sharing my experience which contrasts with other people's - who seem to be eating less than they normally would do and losing weight. My appetite has increased as a consequence of fasting, maybe I'm just meeting my requirements and although I hope to continue to fast and exercise, it occurred to me today that I must be packing away quite a few extra calories to maintain my weight - maybe if I stopped fasting and running, my appetite would be reduced who knows?
Dh and I would consider moving to 6:1 but what's the impact on the positive health benefits? Has Dr Mosley come back to twitter to discuss the impact on his bloods? and even if he did - that would only be the impact on him - it's hardly a good scientific study when it only involves one person? We would rather endure a fast for 2 days a week for some benefits than take the lighter option of 1 day a week for questionable benefits.
talkinpeace my calorie requirements to remain at my current weight - is that TDEE? Using mfp is between 1670 and 1810 - depending on how I categorise my activity levels between sedentary and lightly active. I'm fairly active but am good at being less than active too if the notion takes me.
TML If your TDEE is 1810 then the deficit is only 2620pw or over your feast days an extra 524 which is a couple of drinks or 3/4 rounds of buttered toast mmm buttered toast. Without evidence 5:2 always seemed an arbitrary ratio, I am pretty certain that our hunter gatherer ancestors did not work on a 7 day cycle anyhow. Telling all us tubbies that it is a struggle to eat that much extra may not elicit the required responses but I am sure plenty of advice on how to use your spare 520 cals
Manonboard I also run and I haven't included my running in the mfp stats. I run between 20-30km a week which works out roughly between 1300-1700 extra calorie burn. Apologies if you took my comments the wrong way, I did not refer to anyone by their size, I was over weight this time last year and just because I have a low BMI now doesn't mean I'm immune to weight gain, on the contrary, evidence suggests almost 90% of people regain lost weight and more. I am not struggling to use up extra calories, I seem to be eating quite a bit more that I did before I started fasting because I feel bloody ravenous at times and sometimes I just crave more food - I haven't experienced a reduction in appetite that other posters talk about and maybe things all change n your body at some point....maybe I've reached a good equilibrium - who would know, from what i can see we seem to know very little and if we don't talk about all aspects of this diet we'll never know.
I've not had a drop in appetite either - but I started at BMI 23
DH on the other hand (start point BMI of around 28) has had a significant drop in appetite as his calorie intake has started to drop to 'lean body' levels.
the REALLY important thing with this WOE
is that weight loss is a by product of the fasting to improve long term health
therefore we will all react to the calorie restriction differently
it may well be that after a few months, those who have little more weight to lose find a different pattern from those who are still dropping
but we have no real idea - truly empirical scientific study.
Love it :-)
Hi all not posted for a bit, and really need a Bishop Brennan (kick up the arse for the non Father Ted fans)!
I find the first fast of the week a doddle, but can't seem to crack the second at the mo. In my defense, this is about the worst time for a fair few years with things going on in my life i.e. my dad's cancer, and my disabled for 20 yrs dh being reassessed for fitness for work and almost certainly to lose his bens as the criteria is mad!!! He is v, v depressed on top of his other probs and this is really having an impact on my own daily life, not to mention the £500 a month we'll lose that will really put us severly on the breadline. I really, really want to get a grip on it, and would relish some general advice on how to kick start getting my head into gear.
Dad's cancer was/is a great motivator in one way, but also a massive strain in another trying to be there to support my parents and my dh, and I really, really struggle to fast on a day when I can't stop crying or I feel extra down. But, I so badly want the health and weight loss benefits of this way of eating and I think it is excellent and so effective. Plus, if I make it to tea time 500 cals or under I feel fantastic. Although I have never yet gotten to sleep before 3am on a fast day, but this doesn't bother me at all, I catch up on drama and comedy on iplayer or bbc4 extra!
Thanks so much for this thread by the way, you are all such an inspiration and encouragement, I honestly don't think I could have even gotten to this point without you guys.
Have managed 12 fasts in 10 weeks, lost about 1/2 a stone (was 5lb when I weighed in 3 weeks ago but can tell from clothes that I've lost more since) and 15cm in measurements, 7 of those off my waist (brill as I'm an apple). Also body fat % from 46.8 to 42.5 - still not great but as my dh says still nearer 40 now than 50! Need to lose about 4 1/2 stone in all, but it seem doable with this woe, if only I could get head into gear!!!!! Aaaarrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!
Please help guys, what can I do to get my head into proper 5:2 gear and not franny around?
Go on, go on, go on, go on
that portion is very small, that portion is far away
silly thing, is your DH fasting with you - even though he's poorly, it can only be good for his health to do say 800 calories twice a week
AND, could you try 16 hours a couple of times a week and partially restrict : even 600 for you and 700 for him
not ideal, BUT for the insulin etc effects it HAS to be worth a try.
PS DH and I are 47, a friend at the gym has decided to lose weight in time for her 70th : and IS succeeding !!
TML You did put your running in your earlier post but I wrongly assumed it was included in your TDEE. I do believe that the two day reduction in food has caused my stomach to expect less whereas as you. based on your BMI, already had a healthier attitude to food and have had to eat more on feed days to maintain may mean your stomach now expects more. Speaking for myself I am rarely ravenous and if I do overeat I feel bloated fairly quickly but I do always think I am only ever two vanilla slices away from my old habits. Once I am down to a bmi of 27 I intend to change to 6:1 unless research is announced that 5:2 is the minimum, if it is good enough for DrMM then it is good enough for me.
Hi ssbc. Sorry to hear you are going through such a bad time right now, which is never conducive to being positive about life choices. you are doing well though - losing half a stone in 10 weeks is not to be sniffed at. You say you can do the first fasting day OK so you can do it! Are you doing both fasting days back to back? Maybe you need to vary the timing between the 2? A lot of people find it easier to leave eating till later in the day (ie skip breakfast) which means you have more calories for later (ie tastier food). have a look at the recipes thread and find something to look forward to to keep from falling off the wagon. Keep hold of how good you feel if you do stick to a lowered calorie intake on fast days. Have you got a few different types of drinks (eg peppermint tea or just hot water) to tide you over when hunger strikes.
Not sure why you can't sleep on fasting days - you are not overdosing on black coffee are you?
Keep it going; you will hopefully keep losing weight and reap the health benefits of this WOE...
Consider yourself kicked up the a**e!
Sorry that should have been 'hi sbbc'
Been away on a walking weekend with 30 other guys - we do this once every six months - and, since I emailed everyone about this WOL a couple of weeks ago, we spent a long time discussing it.
Their ages rage from about 50-85, and I'd say most of them are keen to adopt some version of IF - a few for weight loss, most for the health benefits.
Some of you will know I've been struggling to find the reason why I (and others) feel more hungry on feed days - very - than on fasting days - not at all.
During our discussions I thought I might have come across the possible cause of this phenomenon - and it relates to the way our bodies have developed during our evolution.
When we were hunter-gatherers, we never knew when our next meal would appear. We made a kill, we feasted - and then, when it was all gone, we fasted until we could find food again. And it could be a long time before we found any. So our bodies are well used to going without food for long periods.
When we don't eat, our bodies assume there is no food available - famine situation - so it suppresses the (for want of a better term), 'hunger switch';
When we do eat, our bodies assume there is food available - feast situation - and turns on the hunger switch. So, we eat, then a short time later, the body says, "This must be a feast day, so I want more food - to store up fat reserves against the next famine". The result is we feel hungry again - and again and again, every time we eat.
When we sleep at night - or have any period where we don't eat for a while - we reset the switch.
I wanted the last post to stand on its own - but thought I would add this:
I've eaten, over the past three days, more food than I have in a long time. Beginning with a large lunch at the pub on Friday, continuing with a huge dinner plus pudding Friday and Saturday night; 2 large breakfasts; two large lunches, etc, etc. I'm home now, and I've eaten a roast dinner with all the potatoes and veg, 4 or 5 biscuits plus assorted chocolate liqueurs and chocolate-covered marzipan.
Boy, have I lain down some fat reserves! I've put on at least 4 pounds and I can no longer do up the last notch on my belt!
Now I'm having an evening cup of cocoa and I'm eyeing up the biscuit tin again!
Ps. I forgot to mention the copious amounts of real ale, wine and port I've consumed over the weekend. Mind you, we all had a wonderful time - and we actually did some walking! Honest!
Wk #3, fast day #5!
I've certainly put the eat what you want on eat days to the test this week! Have to wait to see what effect it has had tho as official WI is tonight.
I'm finding fast days easy, it the other 5 I struggle with!
Had an enforced fast day yesterday due to a tummy bug so it's quite nice to have had a bit of breakfast on a Monday (especially as the hour change means I'm up much too early for work!). Having yesterday's roast dinner tonight too! Yum..
breadandwine love your posts. I'm sure you're right in your theory. My DH is looking forward to me getting a little Racquel Welch fur bikini and dragging me off by my hair to the cave!
a few pounds to go before that's a physical possibility Sounds like you had a great weekend though.
sbbc I was to read about your problems. Hope things improve for you soon.
Have a good week everyone!
Aracsmum...thankyou for that. It's weird because it's definitely not anything tangible, like not the right drinks or not good recipes, it is all about the frame of mind I wake up in. I usually do Tuesday and Thursday. Don't like doing the weekend, and Monday is usually a mad day so not a good day to do either, so Tue / Thurs seems to be the obvious choice.
With regard to dh doing it as you and TP suggest, I struggle to get him to eat anyway, at this time of year he sleeps a lot and is in bed a lot and so doesn't have much appetite (he has a fab 6 pack tho not bad for 49!!)
On fast days I don't usually eat until teatime, except perhaps a very small salad about 3ish, and then have an almost proper meal. Not drinking black coffee either (gah can't stand the coffee mouth after!!!) I think to be honest I would struggle to sleep every day except on non fast days this is helped along with the odd !!!
I did get into a pair of size 16 jeans last night, which is pretty damn good considering.
I think perhaps that I just need to give myself a real good talking to on day 2, keep reminding myself of the benefits and how good it feels, and how much of a boost it will be to how I feel generally to feel well and see the weight coming off.
Thanks guys, have a good one everybody.
talkingpeace2 surely that's g'wan g'wan g'wan g'wan...!!! or maybe feck! arse! girls! drink!
Thanks mollysfolly, your dh sounds a bit like mine!
Glad your warped sense of humour is still in place!
I've just had my first week where I haven't lost weight. I was expecting it though so at least I'm not disappointed.
I weigh in on Sunday morning and Saturday night I had an Indian and 3 bottles of beer. I've also been comfort eating all week (obviously more work needed there). Also time of the month arrived 10 days early. I did manage my 2 fast days though. Monday was a struggle but Friday I was so busy it was about 7 before I ate and I really hadn't felt hungry up till then.
Still 7 pounds down in 4 weeks is brilliant and I'm really happy with that.
Good Monday to all. And welcome to all the new posters! I understand not wanting to post at times; these big threads can be a bit daunting. I'm glad it hasn't put people off.
Quite pleased to be in grey, damp little (insert East Mids town name here) as Frankenstorm bears down on my hometown in the US!
Laughing at breadandwine's post! I'm less likely to push the boat out, eating-wise, lately, but I'm sure as Christmas gets closer that will change a bit. My appetite hasn't been big lately. I have, however, been eating foods I'd long had off my eating list, such as ranch dressing for my salads. I'm eating more salads on non-fast days (I absolutely love salads) and usually have vinaigrette but it's nice to to branch out for a treat.
Fast day here, and am doing a bit of cleaning while DS is at preschool. The inlaws are arriving on Halloween (appropriate date? ) so it's needed.
ooh greeneggs you've just reminded me of something I haven't had for years because of dieting .. Blue cheese dressing.. maybe I can now. The other thing I haven't had for years is pizza .. I used to adore pepperoni pizza.. But not sure if I can be trusted with one of those yet though..
Hello there, I just wanted to say hello. Today is my first day on this diet and i wanted to sy thank you to all of you who have posted about this diet. You have made me want to give it a go so I thought I should say hi. I look forward to getting to know you all.
Today is my first fast day and so far I have had a hard boiled egg this morning and half a tin of soup! As long as I don't go above 500 cals can I eat both breakfast & lunch? I have a salmon steak for tonight & steamed veg.
madlet Welcome.. Yes you can have both breakfast and lunch.. do read the hints and tips above(especially bread and wines thread which we have posted lots of ideas and FAQs.
Once you have done a couple of fast days you'll most likely find it easy.. then you may want to incorporate a 16hr period without any food on a fast day (which is supposed to give the best health benefits) .. But I recommend that you just take it slowly to start with and do it however you want for the first few fast days on 500 cals.. then see if you want to do the non eating period. some of us do and some dont..
This is a great Way of Eating (WOE) and many of us are having really good results with it..
Hello madlet! As long as you stay under 500 calories for the day, you should see weight loss. If you're doing this for the other health benefits, some of those happen only when you've had a 16 hour fast.
Several of us keep our calories for the evening which means we have at least one 16 hr fast. I personally find it easier to wait, as if I have food earlier in the day, I just want more. You'll find your own rhythm.
Hi Madlet Good Luck following this WOL. With the breakfast and dinner thing tbh no-one knows BUT there seems to be quite a lot of evidence to get the full benefits both weightloss and healthwise it may be best to have atleast 16 hours between starting the fast and consuming calories. But as with everything with this, we're all Guinea Pigs. Do what works over time best for you.
Laska we must have cloned taste buds! I used to manage a Pizza Hut back in the day and always had a Pepperoni, Jalopino Pepper, Ground Beef Pizza with Salad and Blue Cheese Sauce for my break. Needless to say I started there weighing in at 11 stone 12 and left weighing around 14 stone
Hi madlet, hope your first fast day goes well.
I think you can use your calorie allowance across the day as you please. That said, many of us find that saving it for later in the day often makes the hunger pangs easier to endure. Sometimes eating seems to trigger the appetite rather than suppress it. You will probably find a pattern that works for you after a few fasts, and the most important thing is that you can stick with it.
If I remember correctly, I've read that leaving a 16 hour gap between your meal on the previous day and your first meal on the fast day is thought to have particular health benefits because it triggers the cell renewal response. But if you can't hang on that long, just do what you need to do to make this WOE work for you.
Don't stay away too long Minty, I appreciate your posts.
Yes, but cyclistist as we have already established.. You are my long lost twin brother....
sounds about right Laska. And before starting this WOL I think I used to be carrying the weight of an identical twin around with me...definiately had my chin and atleast 1 other persons from somewhere
worryingly then, C perhaps we were actually quadruplets..(I reckon i've lost at least half a person also)
Thanks for making me so welcome. I must admit I ma finding the first day really difficult and can't stop thinking about food! I may try to wait until the evening on my next fast day, (Probably Thursday). I will read the hints and tips too.
Tidying is great. As you get a sense of achievement too!
I blitzed my under sink cupboards this morning, then cleaned the bathrooms, then hoovered.
Distraction and things that keep you OUT of the kitchen but moving around
and in my case, lashings of black coffee!
madlet This will take your mind off eating.. make a pot of tea.. then take a cup upstairs and get out all the clothes that are too big out and put them in a charity bag or in a pile so you can list them on ebay (you wont need them again) .
Then get out all the clothes that are too small . Imagine yourself wearing them very soon ...Then hang them back in your wardrobe right at the front ..
I have never posted anywhere before but have also been encouraged to de-lurk. I don't expect I'll post much as I'm the strong silent type 😉but I shall be avidly following everything as usual.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this as you have helped me in so many ways . I've been encouraged out hoping that perhaps I can help someone too.
Three years ago I lost nearly 3 stones at SW but put 1 back on. I tried and failed to lose it again 😢until I struck gold by watching the Horizon programme and by finding this forum. Like many of you I have embraced this WOE which has now become a WOL and found it difficult at first but now so very easy - I don't even get hungry on my fast days!
I will add my answers to the questions, below, but before that I'd like to talk about visceral fat. This is internal abdominal fat which surrounds major organs like the liver etc. As my scales measure this I have been delighted to see that I have reduced this bad fat from 9 (9-12 bad) to 8 (5-8 healthy). Now this may not seem like much of a loss but in all my years of doing SW there was no change at all and after only 7 weeks of 5:2 it went down.
According to the net, visceral fat in women contributes to cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, breast cancer and gallbladder surgery. So I guess that maybe this measurement (hidden normally but seen on my scales) is proof that the health advantages are working and not just the overall weight loss???
I am in the 10 stones for the first time in decades and will continue until I'm in a healthy BMI then I too will drop to 6:1 to hopefully reap long term benefits.
A) Since late August
B) 5:2 for 6 weeks then, after staying the same for the next 3 weeks, I read more of your posts and decided to try 4:3 for two weeks to see if I would start moving again. After 1 week I lost another 1 lb then another 2lbs the next week - hooray. This week I'm back to 5:2 just to experiment to see if I carry on losing.
C) Thurs and Sunday but very fexible around social arrangements. I drink lots of peppermint tea and water until 7.00 pm and then I have my 500 calories so that I'm not hungry when going to sleep.
D) Have lost 7lbs, 3.2% overall body fat and many many inches (more than a dress size) and feel wonderful and positive about keeping this up forever. Full of energy, look good and getting lots of compliments. Am 58 and through the menopause and proof that all is not lost at this age or any age come to that.
E) No negatives at all. I too love my fasting days and am looking forwards to Christmas and to testing myself.
Sorry for the long post - hope you're all still awake. 🎃
Oops those weird numbers are emoticons on my ipad which didn't work (novice).
Hi virginposter (I was one too until last week, but virgin no longer! )
It's great to hear what you say about visceral fat - I started 5:2 mainly for health reasons (turned 50 this year and want to look after myself a bit better) but I was hoping I'd lose a bit of weight in the process, having been stuck at 2 stones overweight for years.
I know what the scales are telling me about the weight loss but have no way of knowing what this is doing to my health so reading your post is very encouraging.
I'm doing 4:3 this week to make up for a VERY indulgent weekend, but it all seems so much more manageable than when I have done diet clubs, slimming plans etc. In the past, after a weekend like the one I've just had i would have gone into a tailspin but these days I just get back to the fasting and hold my nerve - and it's working! Even Mr Chops has lost his moobs, so he's chuffed to bits (and so am I! )
Hi VP, welcome to the new WOL board.
Great first post! Very interested in your scales - what sort are they?
Congrats on the weight loss!
Thanks for the tips, i've kept myself busy at work today and have even refused home made birthday cake!!
I think it will be easier at home. I have a salmon steak for dinner with some steamed veg which I can't wait for. I will then get the kids in bed, kick husband out so I don't have to watch him eat, and knit furiously! It may take my mind off it. I'll let you know xx
Hi VP i'm interested also in how you are measuring the visceral fat also. I'd thought about getting some fat measuring scales but had heard that they were not that accurate (not that im trying to diss your stats at all... they sound great )
I have lost 3inches from my waist and am thrilled.. but also 3 ins from my hips (not so good as now they are only 34!) I'm a top heavy apple shape and have gone down one bra size only (so DH is pleased!) .. So I'm still the same 'inverted triangle' and still have the same prob in dress fit, i.e. if it fits on the boobs its too big on the hips ..only now its a much 'smaller size' problem .
It would be great to have the fat properly measured in one of those Bod Pod things that Dr Mosley ( and the Hairy Bikers/dieters) were .. I know they have one at the University of Sheffield but I don't expect you could just go knock on their door and request it.. .
I bought some Salter scales from Amazon that were supposed to measure general body fat but they had no instructions and I couldn't set them up (I'm a technological philistine ). I guess it was a case of 'buy cheap, buy twice'. I would also love to know where the scales were from that measure visceral fat.
Supervixen80 (sorry so slow to reply, I've been offline for a few days) I do allow myself some extra calories on fast days. I aim for 650 or so and drink lots and lots of water.
DD is 9 weeks and DS 3 years. Since life at home is pretty chaotic most of the time I am loving just not having to think or prepare food for myself more than once a day on fast days.
Going to have my first fast day tomorrow and have everything planned out ready for....I excited and nervous all at the same time!
I did my first fast day today.
I had a small bowl of cereal at about 11am.
I had a plum at about 3pm.
I am just about to have a chicken breast and veg for my tea.
About 500 calories in total.
Not too bad but I struggled a bit between 12-3pm (so I had the plum).
Next fast day probably on Friday.
Today's fast day going well, maybe because I can feel how much I ate at the weekend. Coffee, tea, big pot of soup ( butternut squash from the New York soup company) On the train on the way home now, not sure what I'll have for dinner.
Lots of tea, but I don't take sugar and there are not many calories in a few ml of semi skimmed milk.
Ooh people ! Exciting news!! Remember the Bod Pod that showed Dr Mosley's fat to lean mass ratio..? it seems that you CAN get it done even if youre not on the telly ..
Ive just looked up University of Westminster (ok for us 'Darrn Sauff', well its a good old train ride for me ) and they charge £45.. Link is Here.
I also know that Southampton Solent have one and they also do testing but maybe only for teams ( but ill try and find out if they do individuals and what they charge because that's nearest for me..)
Give me an hour or so and ill do a trawl of universities in other areas and see if I can come up with a useful list ....
OK here is a quick list of universities that have a bod pod , but I don't know if they do testing outside of their normal research apart from Uni Westminster above which advertises appointments. Also an old 2007 article from the Daily Mail ( sorry!) which might be informative I can put this on links and tips also.. if you think its useful
Daily Mail article on fat monitors (2007 article)
Bod pod testing in London
University of Warwick
Southampton Solent University
University of Brighton (at Eastbourne)
University of Aberdeen
University of Newcastle ( This is the guy the hairy dieters had their fat percentage tested with)
University of Manchester
Just done my first fast day! I had planned to skip lunch and dinner and just have hot drinks throughout the day, and then have a low cal dinner.
However I hit a bit of a wall around lunchtime and actually felt dangerously light headed at one point, so grabbed one of those individually wrapped packets of biscuits at a meeting - 3 digestives coming in at a total of 150 kcals.
The rest of the day I was fine, and whilst I was hungry when I got in, I felt ok. I had enough kcals left for an aduki bean salad and a weight watchers coconut cake slice with a cup of tea. I drunk a lot of tea and coffee today, I take skimmed milk and sweetener so I had enough calories.
Quick question, do you include exercise kcals in your allowance on fast days? I didn't do any intentional/strenuous exercise obviously, but I have to park a far walk away from work and usually there and back earns me 101 kcal on mfp...
no - exercise is not negative points - unlike WW etc !
if it was, I would routinely show -50 calories on fast days because of my swimming habit!
or to put it another way, running around does not earn more than the 500 calories
Thought so! Never mind... Still going to track exercise kcals on non fast days though (if I bother to track kcals at all). Got to have some incentive to do exercise!
ToffeeChops, *Breadandwine Laska42
Thanks for your warm welcome.
For everyone interested in my scales they are Omron BF511 Body Composition Monitor which you can see on Amazon. I too heard that these type of scales can be inaccurate but DrMM himself answered a question (on twitter) about his scales used at the end of the Horizon prog (they look similar to mine). He said that they may be inaccurate in the first measurement but they will at least tell you how much fat you are losing (or gaining). I think that Laska42 is right, the only true measurements are achieved by the bodpod and scanners but as many of us are unlikely to use these then body fat scales are the next best thing imho.
This WOE has amazed me. Even during the 3 weeks my weight stayed the same, I could feel that my size was reducing and my DH said my bum looked lovely and small as he was dancing behind me (we go Line Dancing 2 or 3 times a week - great excercise and good fun).
He has lost 1 stone doing 5:2 and now is maintaining on 6:1. I have actually lost 17lbs in total but that is since the beginning of January - it took me 8 months of cutting out sugar and everything else that I love to lose the first 10lbs so I am very very pleased to have lost these 7lbs in just 2 months. And like you all I am able to indulge without guilt and at last I feel that I am in control of my diet and not my diet in control of me.
fasting for me again today .. btw I emailed Southampton Solent to see what they charge.. I still have a student card for them
Was so relieved to be able to eat again today! Had every intention of stuffing my face, but so far I have had 2 thick slices of white toast with butter and marmite and a (skinny) chai latte from costa! I took a muffin in to work with every intention of eating it ASAP, but I have decided I don't really want it yet! Isn't it funy how when you give yourself permission to eat what you like, you are really not that bothered?
Think I like this already! Scales say 2.25lbs off already but I know this will be unreliable after a fast day, just couldn't help checking though!
I'm working from home today so went for slouchy clothes - pulled out a long black tunic thing that I bought a couple of years ago thinking it would be slimming I did look like a sack of potatoes in it so shoved it back in the drawer now it is brilliant .
Brimming with confidence I tried on the skirt that was too tight a few weeks ago - yep, it fits - woohoo!! the scales are nicely at the bottom end of the mini fluctuations you get - so then I decided to measure my waist and confirm that I was now in a healthy range . I'm afraid my waist is still in the danger zone and so I decided I would look at hip to waist ration because surely that would show I was now healthy . Nope - I still have a good few inches to go before that's going to be the case.
But as someone said upthread about feeling in control of my body now - it didn't send me into a spiral of despair and a mountain of toast . it's a non-fast day today so I'll make a big healthy spicy beany veggie stew. not worry about calories but be sensible. I'm trying to decide whether it's worth doing the 16hr fast even on non calorie restricted days - I think some people on here are trying that? more for the health benefits if my abdominal fat still is too high.
Didn't manage to get on yesterday but I weighed in at 84.9kg, which is 1.kg lost last week (I did straight forward 5:2). Planning 4:3 this week with fasts today, Thursday & Saturday. I really want to be under 80kg for Christmas (preferably heading towards 75kg which will give me a BMI of 29). Total weight lost is now 16.1kg & down from a size 24 to a lose 18.
dd2 was ill last night & dh took her to A&E as a result I'm already on my third coffee today!
No fasting this week as am nightshift and I am moving house with three children, plus Halloween seems to have become the new Christmas. I need chocolate this week so will be back on the wagon next week.
Hope then I will fast until Christmas a lose 3/4 pounds, that would be great.
So sorry to hear about your dd phlebas. Is she ok now? Poor love.
shows how tired I am '1.1kg' & 'loose'
I just eat in the evening on fast days. DH has had to stop for now because he's lost too much weight ... ideal is 75kg (he was about 77kg) & went down to 72kg & looked ill ... he needs to find some way of increasing his calories on non fast days so he isn't losing weight (he was doing it due to increased dementia risk).
My SIL & mum have also started (both only have half a stone or so to lose).
she seems okay today - has ongoing issue that seemed to be much worse last night but resolved pretty much as soon as they got into hospital. Bloody scary though
Weighed in this morning, I've hit my first stone
Woo hoo a stone in 8 weeks, I love this WOE. Fasting today, will be eating at around 5pm.
Well Southampton Solent Uni tell me i can get tested on the Bod Pod for £50 ... Shall i go for it? what do you think? Of course I had no idea what I was at the Lost almost a stone on this now but i still have muffin top fat ..
Laska you could do that - it would probably give you a very accurate assessment. On the other hand, Amazon are selling the Omron BF511 Body Composition Monitor that virginposter mentioned for £39.95 (thanks virginposter ). I guess it depends on whether you want really accurate for one shot, or a 'less' accurate measure ongoing to track progress.
I'm contemplating buying the Omron Monitor - my current scales are fairly old and probably inaccurate - and we have just renovated the bathroom so they look a bit tatty - good excuse to upgrade methinks!
Just finished a fast day yesterday and weighed myself (could not resist - know that not having much to eat yesterday will skew the results and inaccurate scales make it a bit hit and miss) - am down another 2 pounds - 16 in all! Yey!
For those who have reached a plateau - keep with it - I was at the same weight or 1 pound up and down for about 3 weeks while still doing 5:2. Then 3 or 4 pounds came off all at once. I have noticed that my weight goes up and down over the weeks, but the general trend is downwards. So I try not to weigh too often.
Looking forward to homemade lasagne tonight when DH gets home. Loving that I can have favourite dishes when not fasting!
hoops Great that you reached a stone - I was so pleased when I did but it took me rather longer than you. I think it must have been about 12 or 13 weeks.
To all those fasting today - it is worth it - stick with it, and think of nice food to have tomorrow.
One other thing for those on the UK who are also keeping an eye on calories, or just trying to sort out foods to eat on fast days.
I've always found the mySupermarket site handy for the nutrition values. The site compares items across Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, and Asda. If you click on an item, it will show you the detail with the price comparison by default. Just above the price comparison, there is usually a Nutrition tab which gives you calories, Fat, Sat Fat, Sugar and Salt. Not all items have the nutrition tab, but a large number do.
I used this a lot when DH and I were changing our diets to cut down salt because of his high blood pressure, but I've found it helpful again on this WOE to work out things we can have when I don't have time to cook.
Go for it laska! If you tell them what important research you're doing they may give you a discount!
hi all....wow, well I've been reading the new 9 pages of the new thread since this morning and have finally caught up!
Thanks to greeneggs for starting the new thread and inviting all the lurkers so cunningly, lovely to see all the new people, and hear their stories.
a huge well done to laska you deserve a for reaching target, and I think you should go for teh bodyscan, but as others have said, you may then want to get another one at some point in the future?
I laughed to hear breadandwines's story of a weekend of excess, slightly mirrors my weekend of actual 40th party(as opposed to on the day celebrations a few weeks ago) on Friday night (lots of cocktails and home made bread and cheese) and friends staying for the weekend , so a delicious trip down to Broadway market, to indulge in samosa's/bhaji/portuguese custard tarts/hog roast/chips/crabbies, followed by sweets and more cheese and biscuits later!) no to mention the drinking of leftover cocktails for breakfast on Sunday morning.....bucks fizz and sex on the beach is a great way to start a sunday, if a little tipsy!
anyway, all back on track today, fast day which i've been looking forward to, soup for lunch at 1pm, chicken in tomato sauce with broccoli and mushrooms for dinner later, I have cupboards at home stuffed with bottles of leftover champagne and halloween sweets for trick or treaters, but I am going to enjoy ignoring and getting back on track....not that i've missed any fasts, but after 5 days of non fasting/overindulging I know this weeks weigh in is likely to show a gain.
But one lovely thing was seeing my bf after 3 weeks apart at the weekend and him commenting a little enviously on my rapidly disappearing tummy, his seems to have expanded, so I'm hoping to entice him back onto this WOE soon.
have a good evening all.
Congratulations Hoops - a stone in 8 weeks is a fantastic achievement (well a stone off in any time-frame is brilliant, actually)
Catsrus, I do 16 hour fasts on my non-fast days (all except Saturday, which is a true FEASTING day.) I wait until 1.00pm to eat and make sure I finish eating by 9.00pm.
I don't feel deprived, I eat what I want during the 'eating window' but like you, I wanted to maximise the health benefits......... plus give the weight loss a little extra help. I like it because I didn't feel I could commit to 4:3 but am certain this gives me a bit of an extra push in the right direction
I'd say why not give it a try and see how you get on? You can always go back to straight 5:2 if it doesn't suit you.
I did my first official fast day yesterday. I say official as i did a practice one last week and had to be nil by mouth the week before.
It wasnt too bad. I last ate 8pm the night before and ate nothing until 1.30pm on the day of the fast. I had a big bowl of home made soup and an apple (think I could have left it even later to eat if I had to). For dinner I had salmon and broc and peas and some strawberries and grapes. I then went for a swim and had a tin of WW tom soup. Ended up on around 470 cal.
I do like the control. Its easier to say I'm not eating than weigh and measure and faf on trying to stay within 1500 cal and 50g of fat etc etc.
My next fast day is Thursday. Being half term I am off so i hope its as straight forward when at work. Wasnt bursting with energy but managed to do all the housework on an empty tum.
I am fascinated by how little I need to eat. Like many of you I never allow myself to get hungry. Cant honestly remember the last time my tum rumbled before I fasted. Interestingly a rumbly tum isnt the end of the world!.
Today I have not eaten well but apparantly I can eat what I like. I had porridge for breakfast, followed by two choc bars, a tube of sweets, a low fat pkt of crisps and a sausage roll. At 3pm I just ate a sarnie. So not mega bad. I am though aware of what I am eating. I am considering it. Still popping it in my mouth, but thought about it first!
Looking forward to Thursday (weird eh?).
I know its to early to say, but off the back of 36 hrs nil by mouth two weeks ago, last Thursday being a fast and again yesterday - I swear by tum is much flatter! I am awaiting a confirmed diagnosis for IBS so it hasnt felt flat in a while.
Loving the forum - really great to hear everyone elses tips. I watched the horizon prog again last night. Is there any clincal trials going on anywhere. I would love some more prescriptive rules to follow.
today is my first fast day and I'm surprised to say all has gone well. I had lunch at 1pm of salad, pepper, mushrooms, a boiled egg and a babybel. Tea is in the oven salmon & broccoli.....grand total of 442cals for today.
I am so surprised not to be absolutely ravenous by now but I feel really good about my first fast day. Next one is Thursday and I'll be at college for most of the day so will be kept nice & busy.
Has anyone ever noticed that when grocery shopping on an empty stomach you tend to buy a lot of instant sweet foods, well I do anyway. The other morning after a fast day I needed to shop and as I had run out of milk had had no breakfast. As it was about 11am and as I was on a feast day I could have anything that caught my eye. It did not occur to me until later that I had bought nothing sugary whatsoever and I really feel this WOE has affected my sweet tooth.
As far as some of the beneficial effects of this WOE within 3/4 weeks, now on week 12, a frequently returning rash on my chest has gone (less sugar?) and the weight loss (24lbs) has meant my previously dodgy knee now gives me hardly any trouble. Another thing I have noticed is that my gums bleed less often. I am not saying that this is as a result of this WOE but it might be.
Catching up and checking in - huge fail on my fast on Sunday - managed all day really well keeping within calories then my best friend bought gin, wasabi peas and Reese's pieces. Needless to say I gorged myself then ate far too much yesterday, felt uncomfortably full all day. Fasting today but not mentioning it in the hope it makes it easier to stick to. Best friend is a bit about it but ears pricked up when I talked about it as a WOL, breaking the binging/dieting cycle forever more
Really well done phelbas on going from size 24 to 18 - that's brilliant!!!
And looks like everyone's on a good loss streak at the moment, well done!!
Prob check in again after the weekend - wont beat myself up if I end up indulging all this week with best friend, can just do ADF next week to make it up
Can I join in?I have been lurking and thinking about it but after eating all the Halloween treats I bought in for the kids I have decided that now is the time to get off the shelf. I have never watched what I have eaten but always put on a little weight year on year . I need to lose 10kg. Starting tomorrow..... Scary!
Of course you can zebra.
I had 10kg to lose, 4kg gone so only 6kg left to go .
It is only scary at first, after a couple of weeks you realise that it isn't scary to be hungry, then you realise you are not even all that hungry most of the time.
Another here who had an indulgent weekend that went through to Monday as I was a bridesmaid at a wedding on Sunday. Had my typical hungover binge yesterday, otherwise I don't think I would have done too bad...if I can maintain this week, I'll be happy.
So, first fast day of the week today when it is usually Monday. Had a couple of slices of ham and a tomato for lunch, and have just eaten an omelette for dinner. Enough left over for Greek yoghurt and blackberries for pudding...
I also went and did body attack at the gym, and struggled. Usually I do aerobics on a fast day, but I think body attack was one step too far
Congratulations to the losers...
I'm happy to report that after a normal day yesterday, I reclaimed my missing belt notch this morning!
And then I found I'd lost two of the four pounds I'd gained - result!
I've fasted all day today - only had half a mug of warm water up until lunchtime when I had a coffee, and felt no ill-effects - and I was working!
This afternoon, still with only a couple of coffees inside me, I did my daily 15 minutes of vigorous exercise, feeling great!
I did the full 16 hours plus before the evening meal - and I ate very well (but still less than I used to eat prior 5:2). I've just had a sweet - strawberries and grapes with some soya milk - and I'm now absolutely stuffed.
Tomorrow I'll do a proper fast day and I expect to be back to where I was before the weekend!
The next few hours is the danger period for me - my appetite switch is full on, ATM, and I'm susceptible to the remains of the curry on the stove - plus all the goodies I have to hand.
Made a huge (1.2kg) semi-focaccia last night, with toasted sesame seeds, and I've got tomorrow's chunk in the breadbin which I can't stop thinking about...
Well done first timers, and all you other brill losers iyswim .
This is 13th fast in 11 weeks. As said in prev posts, it's a difficult time with fairly major stuff going on in my life (Dad's cancer, fighting for dh disability bens and other stuff) and I have crashed and burned on my second fast of the week for the last 3 weeks. I found today harder than I imagined, but am ragingly hormonal, and am really anxious about my Dad as he gets his treatment prognosis tomorrow, so perhaps not surprising.
Not to mention that I had to take dh and his mate somewhere at lunchtime which was just round the corner from Costco and they insisted on going in and having one of their huge slices of lush pizza (dh had two the gobshite!!!). I sat and drank a coffee - halo please .
Noticed someone else was doing the 16 hour thing on non fast days I was wondering about this, or even eating one meal in the evening (and perhaps a or two). Was worried that body might do the famine-must hang on to the calories-thing. What do you guys reckon? It's just that I'm never hungry for breakfast and on my 3 nonfast gym mornings, I'm not usually hungry for lunch either. It certainly wouldn't be a hardship to do it at least a couple of times a week on top of my fasts, and it might help out on the weeks when I struggle to do 2 fasts. Any thoughts?
Thanks again for this thread and all who post, such a lifesaver.
If you are not hungry, don't eat.
Better to avoid alcohol and stick to healthy calories at least a couple of days a week - even with your sky high reasons for stress
But, if you find it an easy way to restrict the calories while keeping the balance right and not losing too much weight too fast, why not.
I reckon you deserve a hug, girl! [hug]
As you may have seen, I had a real binge over the weekend, so, to make up for it, I fasted today - 16 hours up until dinner time. But then I had a good meal to avoid any chance of going into famine mode. I'll do my regular fast tomorrow (I'm only on 6:1) and then carry on as normal.
Personally, I think a 16 hour fast several times a week - providing you make sure you don't under eat later - is a good idea.
Agree with TP2, basically.
Thanks guys, much food for thought. Most of the days when I've crashed and burned on a fast I've managed at least 16hours, so I felt I hadn't completely failed, figured I should get some of the health benefits if not the weight loss. And although I have several stones to lose, that isn't my primary goal, it's the other stuff.
And thanks for the hug, it really helped.
Sounds like you are doing brilliantly, sexbombbikerchick, keeping the 16 hours thing going what with everything else. I wouldn't say you 'failed' at all.
I finally did my first fast today. Ate a bagel for lunch yesterday and then had nothing except black coffee/tea until lunch today. Then just over 500 cals for lunch and then a proper dinner in the evening.
I couldn't help but eat all the 500 cals in one go, though, so not sure if that really means I broke the fast at lunchtime rather than dinner, iyswim?
Anyway, I still feel a sense of achievement, though it really wasn't as difficult as I was expecting, and I actually kind of enjoyed it (feel a bit weird for saying that, but it's true - I feel lighter and clearer, somehow...). Looking forward to my next fast
Another (long term) lurker here. Been doing 5:2 since early September and have lost 8lbs so far and hope to lose another 14lbs.
Fast days vary depending on work but generally Tues & Thurs. I have only water or black tea from waking until approx. 2-2.30pm. Then i have a piece of fruit and save the rest of my calories for dinner.
I've found the fast days fairly easy but finding the appetite for breakfast the following day is sometimes a struggle. Is this normal?
The last 2½ weeks have completely gone to pot due to working away/Half Term/long weekend with lots of eating & drinking. Despite all this i weighed myself today and hadn't put any of the lost weight back on so feeling really pleased.
Hi serial lurker here. Time to step
Out of the shadows. I'm on week 5. Done some 4:3 weeks and some 5:2. Sadly have lost no weight at all despite needing to lose at least a stone. I do have low days. Feel despondent as not only have I lost nothing I don't feel well since fasting started. Have felt lightheaded, dizzy and fatigued but am now thinking I may be anaemic. Also, on fast days I really struggle with sleep and wake up middle of the night kinda hungry and not able to sleep. But by morning there is no hunger whatsoever. However, plus points for me include eating whatever I want with NO weight gain. This is rare as in the past one pizza meal can leave me 5lb heavier. Also, I am eating less on feed days. Today I had fish and chips half portion and nothing else all day. Still full and because I am no longer for offing any food I have lost the need to eat to much. I love the freedom from dieting I am experiencing. I am also shredding most days and find it harder some days. I am quite active and am determined to stay so. Now, if only I could drop a few pounds or inches like others seemto!! Sorry for typos. Am
On phone. Right back to continue reading the August thread Adam still in catchup mode. And thank you all for these amazing threads!!
Oh dear! Sorry for terrible spelling / grammar. Honestly.
Right ... bed..I'm hungry tummy's rumbling ...but I'm fine..
Have spent most of the evening listing (too big) clothes ton ebay !! (some of which I didn't buy very long ago..)
You know, I like fasting now... it makes me feel more alive somehow.. (is that weird?) Right .. off now with my pot of mint tea and to my book.. Perchance to dream of buttered toast?
See y'all tomorrow folks!
Hi all I too am including more 16 hour fasts and struggling a bit with old habits at weekends. Weight is fluctuating and it seems odd to me that fasting is so easy and yet eating "normally" is the hard part. My reaction to this has been to fast longer and more often and not to get a grip of weekend binging. It's not hard to see why I gain weight if left unchecked.
Realised after I last posted, I had no need to worry - since I'm on my weekly fast from after dinner tonight until dinner tomorrow night, I'm already 'in the zone'! Once in this frame of mind I find it easy to resist temptation - in fact, weirdly, temptation doesn't seem to figure, ATM!
It seems that more people are reporting that they are feeling good on their fasting days.
There's a theme developing: "Feeling more alive," says Laska; "I always seem to have more energy after a fast," says Blondie; I myself feel fantastic after a 22 hour fast. Many posters say they're looking forward to their fast days.
Seems to me there's a perfectly logical reason for this phenomenon - I'll run it past you guys to see what your reaction to it is:
During our hunter-gatherer days, the more alert we were whilst deprived of food, the easier it would have been for us to find some. Successful hunters would have passed their genes down to us. So you could say we're supposed to feel good when fasting.
About not feeling hunger when fasting: put simply, hunger would have been a distraction in the search for food - it just would have got in the way and made us less successful hunters. (See my musings on the 'hunger switch' on the Tips and Links thread - 29th Oct)
Sense? Or nonsense? What do you reckon?
Your stomach is not busy digesting, your energies are spent looking out for opportunities
And to those not losing weight, depressing a it is, record your calories on eating days - accurately.
I am 5'5" age 47 and technically only need 1800 a day
NOT the 2000 they write on the back of the cereal packs
if you are shorter or do not have such an obsessive gym habit, you'll need less
three inches shorter and three times less at the gym and the requirement drops to 1500 calories .... yes really
and a banana is 100 calories, as is a single square of decent chocolate bar ....
This is a "Way of Eating" not a diet, so as you'll be doing it forever, its worth taking the time to slowly get it right for you.
If you don't have an awful lot of weight to lose it's more likely to come off slowly, so don't lose heart. You might find it helpful to switch to monthly weigh-ins, something I have done recently because not seeing what I wanted or expected to see on the scales tended to have a very detrimental effect on my motivation.
In the meantime, enjoy the other benefits - not stressing about 'dieting', eating what you want without putting on weight (how fantastic is that?!) and knowing your appetite is responding to this new WOE.
Btw, if you think you may be anaemic, get your blood checked asap. I was extremely anaemic when i started this in August and my first few fasts were difficult because of it. Now my iron level is up a bit I cope much better.
TIP where are you getting your chocolate cals? According to myfitness pal , Montezumas 73% dark choc , ( which is the one i eat) is 33 per 6q square and 110 per 20g ..
I realise that most people don't weigh chocolate .. but I do now . but eat very little sweet things anyway but this is my little treat if I'm going to ...so really don't want to get this wrong
but yes agree with you and bread and Wine . This morning I wasn't at all hungry after a 20hr fast . Have just eaten my eggs now..
Like you though I was shocked at my TDEE - . its only just above 1600!! however I don't do nearly enough exercise ... (its cos I'm a lazy cow who like red wine that i got to be the was I was.. Note WAS!! hee hee )
Hi everyone, I've been popping up every so often on these threads for a few weeks and just wanted to say a continued thanks for all the encouragement and stories. They brighten up my day! I was doing well on this woe for a few weeks but have had an 'iffy' couple of weeks without fasting and I'm trying to catch up on all the comments to get myself re-motivated. Welcome to all the newbies and thanks greeneggs for keeping the thread going. Thanks also to breadandwine - I always look forward to your posts and read them with a big smile on my face!
Last week on non fast days I was craving toast with butter. Today not so much. It was weird because I'm not normally a toast person. I am definitely a butter person though
Agree about TDEE. If you fast two days and eat "normally" the other five days then your weight loss is going to depend on how skewed your idea of "normal" is. If you fast two days and eat "anything you want" the other five days that's doubly true.
Laska I don't eat chocolate - am quite willing to be corrected - but then DH does eat squares of the mega bars which are nearly cube shaped!!
There is no such thing as a "slow metabolism" - Mosely debunked that myth in his exercise programme. What there is, is a body that is not being pushed often enough. Even if you go out for a power walk around the block once a day - time yourself going to buy the paper and see how quick you can do it - the benefits to your cardio system will soon mount up, and your body will learn that the food is actually to be burned not stored :-)
Anaemia : Pregaday Iron tablets were my happy pills - for nearly two years after DS was born!
Breadandwine, what you say makes sense. And while I wouldn't say I feel fantastic on fast days, I certainly don't feel any ill effects now that they've become part of my normal routine.
What I love, though, is the feeling of control fast days give me (and yes, I am a control freak ) For years, my eating has controlled me: now I control my eating. I feel 'clean' somehow, especially when like you I've had a blow-out weekend and need to rebalance.
I have never been a very disciplined person in the past but this new WOE seems to have helped me to grab hold of my life and it's having an impact on other non-eating related things too. So you could say I am truly a convert!
Hi all, just done a 3km interval run after fast day yesterday and I feel great. Having a cuppa now then a much needed shower. Not hungry at mo so not eaten yet.
Thanks again for all your support on this thread, can't beleive I'm managing to change my wol whilst in such a bad place personally! Really couldn't have done it without the support of this thread.
Just been for a medical and will have to wait for the results of the bloods but the nurse did comment favourably on my blood pressure 112/70. This is quite a significant change from previous years where it stayed aroud the 118/85 mark which I completely attribute to this WOE and, of course, the significant weight loss.
As for people feeling more active on fast days, I agree, this may well be genetic but also our bodies reacting positively to the chemical change as we burn fat, similar to endorphines being released by exercise.
Welcome babbas. I too haven't lost any weight and I've been doing this for 8 weeks . I started on 5:2 and then after not seeing any results I switched to 4:3. Still no change (and I have 3 stone to lose). I am tracking food on myfitnesspal on normal days and am averaging about 10000 cals/week which is certainly less than the 12500 I calculated as my tdee. Also my body measurements haven't changed either. I just don't understand how I can be the same when I am consuming less . Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that someone else out there is also struggling with the weight loss as I know how dispiriting it can be reading all the success stories. I just hope the health benefits are kicking in. Perhaps we can support each other?
Hi hope everyones doing ok.
I keep darting in and out this thread I had a fast day yesterday. Im not managing to do 5:2 at the moment, I just have to pick days I can cope.
The baby had ongoing health problems and I often have to pull all nighters with him when things are bad, that coupled with the mammonth feeding sessions... I cant cope with such little calorie intake.
However, Monday night I got a bit of sleep and he's feeding less because he had a little bit of a cold so yesterday was a good day to do a fast day.
Its not as goof as 5:2 but I figured some fast days will be better than none
I showed a friend this thread yesterday so I wonder if she'll try it too. <waves in case she's reading>
Be back on this thread next fast day.
I have broke my fast twice now since I started in August. Both times I was premenstral and the hunger was unbearable. My period has been very erratic, so I didn't even know I was due.
Have been reading some more info from the Lean Gains approach....Martin Berkhan is recommending a 14 hour fast for woman as he says woman's experience of fasting often leaves them feeling very irritable - has he visited my house recently?
Anyway I think I'm going to investigate this approach to fasting rather than the 5:2, which unlike a lot of posters on here is leaving me feeling way too hungry and causing me to obsess about food more than usual.
Toffee - thank you for your reply. I do have more than a stone to
Lose and don't know why there is no change for me. I log calories, try to eat well but think I'm not eating enough on feed days. I just don't want to eat if not hungry and this woe has really lowered my appetite. But you are right, the positives are there. Now that no food is forbidden I have no cravings. In fact, I'm not into food anymore much. There are no cravings and no saving cals for 'treat days'. Also, I feel
In control. Hurrah. The only danger for me is 8 weeks with no visible results really plays tricks with my mind.
Anaemia - I have been prescribed ferris sulphate but advised not to take it yet as my blood test is two weeks away and dr did not want false reading at test. V frustrated as lacking energy. What tablets are you taking? I'm also having thyroid checked. Did the tabs work quickly? I wonder if my anaemia is slowing down my losses as my body just does not feel normal at the mo
Bunjies - I would love love love your support! Perhaps we can share out sorrows together and try and keep each other motivated.
Good luck to everyone today be it fasting or scoffing.
I've found that though I've stayed (roughly) the same weight for the past three weeks now my belt is now two notches tighter over those weeks. I lost 10lbs in the first 8 weeks and my belt never changed a bit!
Although the weight is an easy measure of the effectiveness of this diet/way of eating its not the only measure and the long term benefits are not easily measured at all.
Hi to my friend Jobyloo who's out there lurking! Good luck for your first fast day today ! xx
morning all, yesterdays fast went about 22 cals over in the end, slightly bad planning, and actually just tiredness and hunger when I got home, had to cook the kids 2 different tea's (they have totally opposite eating habits and desires, one eats early in the day and the other later in the day) before I could cook mine, and I really needed something to just chuck in the microwave, did find a tesco lighter choices chicken in tomato and basil sauce in freezer, which i had with some steamed broccoli and mushrooms, but the dithering about it took me 25 mins and a slice of ham to take the edge off, hence going over!
I really must dedicate a day off to cooking some home made meals to freeze for fast days.....i'll add it to the ridiculously long to do list!
but that was eaten by 6.45pm and then nothing more other than chamomile tea, this morning is a normal day, had an actimel yogurt drink at home while I made kids packed lunches, an apple at 9 and then at 10.45 I really fancied milky tea and a biscuit, so I had 2 shortbread fingers, (200 cals!), but as it's breakfast that's ok, it's so good to be so much more aware of calories, so not a 16 hour fast at all, but then again I've been up with my early rising daughter since 5am, and today I can eat what I like and tomorrow is another fast day. really hoping to be at the same weight on Friday as I was last Friday, but after teh weekend i know it's unlikely, and other than my cycle commute to work and back there is no extra exercise.
kids halloween party later so must try and avoid kids treats!
scoffing me today and fasting tomorrow again
Planning on going out for a Malaysian meal with a friend this evening .. Chilli Duck and Singapore noodles YUM!
'La la la la....' (in the absence of singing emoticons)
I so love this WOE!
( we really must get Mumsnet to put some 'happy bunny' and 'singing' emoticons up.. How do we do that?..)
How are we all today then? I haven't decided about the bod pod thing yet .. You see I could just spend the £50 on new clothes......
Tips for first day fasters (thats you jobyloo).
1. Its really easy to do ! just stick to your 500 cals for two days and count calories on something like my fitness pal. just do that for a few fasts then if you want you can look into into the other health benefits bit later ..
2. Don't be afraid of hunger.. We are just not used to being hungry mostly, but it really is manageable once you stop fearing it and doesn't build , I'm always amazed that the morning after a fast day I'm often just not hungry.
3. Find out your total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) to show the number of calories you need to remain the same weight . (link above ).
4. I found at first I wasn't sleeping well on fast days.. but now I'm fine ..
5. My absolute top tip is chilli sauce! (Franks is my favourite) ill say no more..... those that know me here have heard it all before!
6. Make every fast meal as tasty as possible. Add fresh coriander, parsley and mint, watercress, or lemon or lime juice, gherkins, garlic, mustard ,black pepper, soy or Worcester as these all perk up your meal up no end for very few calories. .
7. Miso soup is good(around 20 cals) if you really think you cant wait for dinner
8. Drink lots of Mint tea, green tea with lemon grass , water water water (its easy to get dehydrated on fast days I find) . I have real black coffee too ,
9. I tend to base my fast day meals around eggs and fish and veggies .
This is on the links and tips thread but thought id repost it here .anyway .
babbas what is your BMI? some people just take longer to get started on losing, and if you were gaining before and now aren't then you've already turned things around, being patient is difficult, definitely not my strong point, and I was disheartened at around the 5/6 week mark when I gained back 4 of the 6 pounds i had lost, but I just carried on, as the health benefits were my priority in teh beginning, and I figured, not gaining was better than where I had been before with the the weight ever so slowly creeping on. And it levelled back out and I am averaging 1 pound a week loss, now just within high end of normal BMI range, so over a stone to go to get somewhere I feel happier at.
also bunjies reallly hope it starts to come off for you soon, if you are doing 4:3 I don't see how it can't, it just might take some time, if you cals deficit is not that large that might not help?
my tdee says i consume 2213, but on this WOE on a good week i am consuming 11000 per week, and on a bad 14000, so always 1500 less but often 4500 less, I can't remember the calculation for how much less you need to eat in order to lose a pound....is it 300 per day?
LOL to new clothes Laska - I did a mini wardrobe sort out this morning - in the hunt for jeans that would fit comfortably but not need hoiking up the whole time. If I were to carefully go through my stuff I do think I would probably have enough - but I can't find any thin-ish black jumpers to wear under cardis or sleeveless smartish long tops if I'm layering .... I think I gave them to a dd for a school ski trip a few years ago . Might need to pop into M&S!
I'm now really concentrating on sorting out a WOE which is sustainable - and for me that will never mean "eat what I want" unless a) I change what i want to eat or b) fast more days than I eat! Like Laska my calorie needs are in the 1500 range for my age, weight and height - if I lose a bit more weight to get my waist measurement to the 'safe' zone then it will go down again. This is something I have never really taken on board before.
Yesterday and today are non-fast days, I made a huge veggie goulash yesterday and am ploughing my way through it - got a friend arriving tonight so will add some chorizo to spice it up and serve it with rice. I did a 16 hr fast yesterday, but don't think I will do it every non-fast day as it did feel like hard work - on fast days I'm usually out and about so it's easier to forget about food .
For those not losing - really, just stick with it, if you are taking in less energy than you need then you will lose weight - unless you are on medication like steroids - it might just take a while and a bit of fine tuning!
*MOCNK" It is 3500cals represent a pound in weight
"Cats" Have to agree, eat more than you burn you put on weight, burn more than you eat you lose weight, unless you defy basic biology. We are just machines and it is like putting petrol in your car, it needs enough to keep running, put in too much and it spills out. Some of the diet myths such as slow metabolism and starvation mode really aggravate me, just be honest!
AND : when you get too small for clothes get rid of them
and go to a Charity shop to buy the next size down !
Keep doing that till you are buying a healthy size (which on current UK sizing is around a 12 maximum - 1970's version of size 16)
I buy jeans - posh ones - for £4 a pair ..... tops for around £3 .....
As we are talking about what you put into your body ... its been a while since I posted a plug for Dr John Briffas Blog and his book 'Escape the Diet Trap'.
It's an illuminating read about the current state of the food and diet industry and along with this WOE has totally changed the way I eat (although I haven't actually given up any foods, just become a LOT more aware of what and how much and when I give my body to work with )..
He also has a chapter on IF (but we probably know more here now thanks to all our great 'researchers and experimenters' ...)
Hi Everyone [hgirn]
I haven't posted here for a while but I have been doing the 4:3 since the end of Aug and have managed to loose about 12lbs.....still have another stone to loose.
I have a question for you all re menstrual cycle, think someone mentioned about this woe affected their mc? I was about 2 weeks late this month (thought I was pregnant as we r ttc) ....Anyway period came on d50 but for only half a day and then spotted for a day or so. Stopped completely for about a day but now spotting again
Should say Hi Everyone
eat more than you burn you put on weight, burn more than you eat you lose weight
Sorry ManonBoard if only it WAS as simple as this. I low carbed for a couple of years and lost 2 stone. I was definitely NOT eating less calories than I used. Please don't patronise those of us whose bodies do not react the same as yours. "Slow metabolism" may be a myth but my body does not react the same as many peoples' and I don't understand why.
bunjies have you had your thyroid tested? as that is one of the few TRUE causes of stubborn failure to lose weight.
TalkinPeace - no I haven't although it has crossed my mind to. I may speak to the doctor about getting tested as at least I can rule it out if nothing else .
bunjies I accept "low carbing" may appear to break the rule but I assume this is because of the extreme imbalance in the diet causing your body to reject much of it, as with the egg diet, cabbage soup diet etc. That slimming aid that allows you to eat but causes fat to pass through the body without giving the stomach a chance to absorb it, again defies the basic principle but does not really counteract what I previously posted.
Sorry if I patronised anyone it was not intende but for anyone who disagrees "congratulations" you may have solved the world's energy crisis and dicovered perpetual motion (now that IS patronising)
DH says my feet (Raynauds) are the answer to Global Warming - is that a start?
Talkin It's a start and if we put it together withh all of the icy retorts and cold shoulders my last post causes we might have cracked it.
Sorry, Sorry Sorry, Sorry everyone if only there were an emoticon for "tongue in cheek"
Solar sparkle if you go back to the original post on this thread there is a link to an article, the one about women with a normal BMI, that reports how some women, especially those at normal weights, may experience more adverse symptoms from intermittent fasting, including periods stopping. Might be worth reading that to make an informed choice as to whether IF is right for you, especially if you are ttc.
Solar I've been doing this the same amount of time as you, and I've just experienced my first odd cycle. My TOTM came 2 weeks early. We aren't TTC yet (I'm still on a medication and needing related tests, so won't be trying again until Dec or so) but I'm afraid I'll have to either reduce my fast days, or eliminate them entirely during that time. I will see if my cycle evens out in the meantime. I'm usually like clockwork, and that would help when TTC (obviously!)
I haven't read every post here but if MOB is acting up, I suggest everyone just start discussing their menstrual cycles (if applicable) for a bit. That'll learn him.
Would you accept a French Canadian in your thread? I don't speak (or write) a perfect english, but i can understand it pretty well. I tried to find some "support" on the 5:2 plan in french, but I found none. The discussion i tried to begin on an other forum was a disaster because everyone is just trying to destroy my convictions that the 5:2 is a great way to lose weight and getting healthier!
I'm a mother of two cute little girls (2 years and 10 months old and a 17 months old). Do I need to say I need to lose weight and regain energy?
I am so happy to have found this plan (I prefer the word plan rather than diet)! I need to share my experience with others and thought this would be the place!
I just begun last friday and have done two fast days so far and i'm thrilled! I've lost 3 lbs! I know i'll gain a little bit today, but as tomorrow is going to be an other fast day, I hope that by next friday I can say that I lost 3 or 4 lbs (total) or even more! What is your average lost each week?
or our hot flushes ....
Trouble is then he might start on about his hairy ears (or worse)
(just teasing MOB)
Bonjour milimelo (sorry thats about alli feel comfortable writing in French ! welcome! . You've come to the right place !
GE&N You got me I am out of here, or on my bike if you will
milimelo bon matin et bienvenue
Laska No hairy ears (or anagrams thereof) here but hot flushes!!!! Bye
Merci (thank you)!
I was wondering if it's all in my head or what, but I feel my tummy is already much smaller. I'm less bloated than i used to be the last couples of months (sorry for the details, but my doctor told me she thought I was suffering Irritable Colon Syndrom but we didn't investigate since). Did this happened to anyone? This fast (after only two fasting days)?
Solar I think fasting has affected my menstral cycle, my cycle is now 55days. After being a regular kind of girl for most of my life. I'm not ttc so its not such a worry but I'm looking at alternative types of fasts - like the leangains 14 hour daily fast, which is effectively just skipping breakfast.
DHs digestion problems seem to significantly improve after every fast day .... it has to be to do with allowing the system to clear itself out completely
grazing is clearly bad for us in many ways
Milimelo it probably could be if on your fast days you are cutting the carbohydrates ( especially bread, pasta ,wheat and many other grains ) as these are implicated in Irritable Bowel syndrome ( as we call it here )
Dr John Briffa writes about this extensively in his book and his blog that i've recommended above ..
however quite a few people don't have this problem or particularly cut out carbs on fast days (though I do) .. but it might be worth investigating in your case . I'm no expert though...
Hello, can I join in? I've been thinking about doing this for a while and have decided to give it a go.
Today is my first fast day and I'll fast again tomorrow, trying to leave 16 hours tonight until breaking my fast tomorrow afternoon.
Can I ask you all where you find your calorie info from, I've used MyFitnessPal today and wondered if there was anything a bit less laborious!
Good luck all x
I no longer think the engine analogy is particularly helpful. Not the place to go into it all here but to my mind engines simply burn fuel and give out waste products. When we eat a whole set of complex chemical reactions take place, some of which cause excess fuel to be stored as fat. That part I agree is fairly simple. However the more I learn the more it seems to me that the composition of the food and the timing of it do make a difference to how much gets stored ; if we eat many small meals of high GI foods there will be no respite from the effects of insulin/cortisol and, I think, more potential for fat storage than if you eat the same number of calories with more hours between meals and choose lower GI foods. In my case the key seems to be to avoid eating between meals and to avoid grain based carbohydrates. This is not really "low carb" as I am vegetarian and eat plenty of carbs as vegetables.
I may well be wrong, that's just how it seems to me.
If you do not eat you lose weight.
If you eat too much you gain weight.
It really is that simple
but the vast, vast bulk of people do not accurately record what they actually eat.
There was a lady on the AIBU thread about 5:2 who realised that her food diaries only included food - they missed out her seven cups of tea a day that each had two sugars in ....
and when you weigh 50g of dried pasta before cooking it
or weigh 100g of chicken breast,
you suddenly realise how TINY the "recipe book" portions are to get the healthy stats
BorderC The petrol analogy was simply that, an analogy, just saying that we need enough fuel for our journey. That said as analogies go you do say "complex chemical reactions" - the internal combustion engine. "excess fuel" sticks to the side of your bodywork. "timing of it" try not having your engine timed and see what happens. "composition of the food" - diesel, unleaded, super, high octane etc
I totally agree talkinpeace2 Eat too much, get fat. Eat less don't get fat. The only people with slow metabolisms are thin people as their hearts have to burn LESS calories to pump blood and keep their bodies warm. Bigger people burn more calories (have faster metabolisms) as their hearts have to work harder to keep their bodies going.
Oh and hello Amumsim, good luck I hope today's gone well for you
I haven't posted for a few days but its great to see so many new people joining us.
Its a week since i was weighed at the gym and i couldn't go today so have to hold on another day before i can find out if i have managed to lose anything this week.
My fasts have been a bit up and down the last couple of weeks but i have managed two this week and plan another for Friday so fingers crossed. When i think about it my everyday eating is all over the place at the minute too and Saturday on an eating day i ate a bar of chocolate and drank best part of a bottle of wine instead of eating a proper meal and i was very irritable on Sunday! Life is busy and at times stressful for us all so I'm not surprised that i mess up occasionally.
I empathise totally with those who are not managing to lose weight on this woe and if you are truly doing it correctly and not losing i would say mess it up a little , swap days, swap number of days, try eating a few more calories for a few days or maybe exercise for a few days then don't exercise and if none of that works maybe you just have a different kind of metabolism or other hidden health issues to those who are losing weight easily . Its really just my thoughts certainly nothing tried or tested but its like interval training quick , slow quick slow.
I wish there was more research we could call upon but we seem to doing a good job of creating the research as we go along.
Enough calories for a glass of wine then a very early night so i'm away from an food and drink.
Hold on to the good feelings you get from this woe and never let them go.
Amumsim I use caloriecount.about.com/ rather than MFP. Mostly becasue I found it before I realised everyone else uses MFP. It is a little cumbersome at first, but once you get the hang of the food log bit then its fine. I don't log everyday, but I did at the begining of this just to get a grip on what normal is.
Hi babbas, I'm taking ferrous fumerate which has folic acid with it. I'm seeing my GP next week to find out recent blood test results, but i know they'll be better because I feel much more normal again. Been on them 5-6 weeks now. People don't always realise how lousy it can make you feel so I hope you get some improvement soon. X
Thank you toffee.
I agree, it can be really difficult. I first noticed something was wrong when I was doing the bed in the morning and had to lie down and lie still for half an hour. Most unlike me. Also daily 3pm crashes. Nightmare with school run to see to! Thank you for your helpful replies. Hope all is well with your results.
Hello, Has anyone heard of calorie girl? she provides great tips of what foods look like e.g. 100 kcals of cheese is the size of a matchbox etc?! really interesting and has helped me loads as its lots of visuals. Website is www.caloriegirl.co.uk and the facebook account is www.facebook.com/caloriegirl. Shes a Dietitian :-)
Hmmm. Re the argument that weight gain and loss is purely to do with calories in and out. I am just no longer so certain that it is as simple as that. Probably with a healthy body that is the case, but what about where hormones have gone awry? Could it turn out that in some hormonal circumstances that the composition of the food matters as much or more than the simple calorie total? That in some circumstances the body gives priority to fat storage over immediate energy availability instead of only storing the excess?
I am just pondering, but John Briffa has some more scientific things to say about this in chapter 7 (Is a Calorie a Calorie?) of Escape the Diet Trap. Interesting reading ( food for thought?!)
While this is not science and it is not humans, I have had a great deal to do with a great many dogs over many years and am open to the possibility that there is a connection between neutering , and thereby radically altering hormones, the feeding of cereal based foods and weight gain which is not entirely explained by simple calorie excess.
Any way, whether its just the calorie deficit or whether there is some other additional "re calibrating" going on , this WOE is wonderful!
Amumsim another vote here for Calorie Count - it's great for compiling recipes and fine-tuning them.
Thanks for the kind words, folks!
Fasted 22 hours today - found it a breeze! [smuggitsmiley] I know it doesn't suit everyone, but for me, it works.
Thinking about it, though, I didn't jump into this long a fast straightaway, I built up to it gradually.
Maybe, for those finding it difficult, if you cut down breakfast and lunch calories and build up the evening calories, you might find it easier first to miss breakfast - and then lunch.
I'm still curious as to how long I can fast for before I feel any hunger - I may have to wait until I'm on my own for a couple of days. I must admit, it would seem weird not to have a meal in the evening. But it must have been common for our forebears to have gone without food for several days!
Just realised, with the constant feast and famine they experienced - they were the original yo-yo dieters!
Back to another theme that is coming up regularly on these threads - the feeling of control that people are experiencing on this WOL. After years of having to watch everything I eat (I have a gold card from WW from twentyodd years ago!), food is no longer as important to me as it once was. I now feel as if I have finally gained control over my food intake, and weight - not to mention health!
And the method is spreading! I was offered a piece of petit pain au chocolat that one of my students had made in my breadmaking class this morning, and had to decline since I was fasting. "Oh, are you doing that too?" she exclaimed, "My husband and I have been on the 5:2 plan since the Horizon programme - it's great, isn't it?"
The ensuing conversation could have been lifted straight from these threads! Of course I told her about all you guys on here, and how friendly we all are - so we may well see her here.
Thank u so much for your replies.......
MummysHappyPills - interesting read, need to decide whether to stop this woe or get to my ideal weight b4 we start TTC but my biological clock's ticking .......I'm 39
GreenEggs Since my mc early on in the year, my mc have been spot on....I might reduce my 'fasting' days from 3 to 2 ( or maybe 1) & see what happens
TellMeLater Good to know that I'm not alone, let me know how u get on
Half term and Halloween have blown the two fasts this week but it's good to know its not 'over' as it would've been with previous diets. Back on the wagon within the next few days.
A general note - My weightloss is very slow, ten pounds since beginning of September which can fluctuate down to only five pounds lost if I'm having a bad week on my non fast days. This is frustrating to me as DH has shed loads of weight very quickly (over a stone) and is keeping it off. Health has been poor since starting this WOE. Flu, diahorrea, two colds and very grumpy on fasting days. I do have iron issues though so have started to look after that side of things a bit better. Now taking Spa Tone iron sachets which are very mild on the digestive system compared to tablets.
On the positive side, the weightloss is there, albeit slow.
I do feel that this is the most successful WOE I've come across and am hoping that the health benefits will start to kick in and make me feel healthy too.
I find fast days very difficult and crave sweet things. I find it hard to go to sleep if I'm hungry but always wake up not feeling hungry the following day. Weird.
Thanks for all your posts. The encouragement in this forum is outstanding!
Same here - eating lightly but not doing 500 calories because no routine to the days
but still eating less than I would have done before
- had a reasonable supper with the kids last night and felt stuffed
might have a bevvy tonight when DH gets back though
normal service will resume next week
- actually, thinking about it, fasting in term time and easing off in holidays will work fine for me for several years and allows long term planning
Woo hoo - fast day no 2. First was Monday. Do feel a tad more hungry today than Monday but its managable. Defo easier to miss breakfast and wait until lunch to eat anything.
Off work today so trying to stay busy. I do though have to go food shopping. Will write a list and stick to it.
Do have a circuits class tonight - will be interesting to see how well I cope with that. Its a very high tempo class.
Will weigh myself on Saturday after a day of non fasting - really hope I have lost something - but tum is so noticeably smaller.
Previously mentioned on here that I have recently been diagnosed with IBS. Anyone else on here got IBS and of so do they find this WOE helps or hinders.
Right - pen and paper - Asda here i come!
Morning all, my last working day of the week today, a fast day, which I've bought 2 of my favourite soups for, so that's all sorted, which always makes me feel good, thought I had persuaded the bf to get back on the fasting last night on the phone, but this morning he messaged and said there was leftover breakfast at his work, so he had scrambled egg, bacon, hash browns and a pecan plait! I guess when you're not in the habit of fasting that kind of temptation too much to bear!
I'm glad that even when people bring in cakes/donuts/choc to work now (it happens a lot) I'm not at all tempted on a fast day, I've alwasy found that more rigid diet rules work for me (atkins worked really well becasue the rules were so simple, but long term as a WOE it's no good at all) but not really feeling like I'm dieting and just pulling things back in line a couple of days a week, in order that I can eat a bit of what I like the rest of the time is soooo good!!!!
looking forward to a day off with my kids tomorow and we had fun at a halloween party last night, I had some homemade squash soup a couple of tiny slices of pizza and a piece of garlic bread, no chocolates, but 3 glasses of but as a non fast day it wasn't terrible.
planning the first run in months this weekend when the kids are at their dad's, looking forward to it, I always enjoy it more when I've lost some weight, and also suddenly feel like I have the energy to do it.
have a good day all, more hot water with lemon required now.....
Hello, I'm de-lurking!
I've been doing this WOE since October 1st, while I was working away from home, as I wanted to try it out without my DH being involved. Sadly this means I didn't measure or weigh myself in, so I have if it is actually working. Got a battery for my scales at home now, so I can actually track it. Some clothes feel looser, but sometimes that can be a false thing, perhaps they're just going baggy in the wash?
I'm doing a 5:2, with pretty much fixed fast days on a Monday and Thursday to fit round my riding lessons and to make it easy for us to meal plan at home. I struggle a little on fast days, I do feel quite cold for some reason, and when I tried to horseride on a fast day I did feel very tired and lacking in 'go'. Perhaps I should try some other type of exercise for the fast days?
Hi kittykarate, welcome on board.
I get cold on fast days too - REALLY cold sometimes, but I guess it because we're not putting any fuel on the fire. I comfort myself with the knowledge that my body is having to draw on other stores of energy (of which I have ample supply ) in order to give me a bit of heat.
I'm like you mocnk, for some reason I manage to stay really strong on fast days. I'm not a very disciplined person by nature but I do much better with 'all or nothing' plans which is one reason I think this works so well for me. If I lapse (as I did on Monday - snatched a chocolate button and a pink marshmallow left over from our sweet-feast the previous day) I just deduct it from my calories that day. I wouldn't say it's easy but I don't feel deprived like I always do on 'proper' diets.
Hello nminx, sorry to hear you've been so unwell since starting this WOE. Loads of people around me have been ill with all sorts of things in the last couple of months so I think it may just be that there are lots of bugs about and not related to the fasting. Perhaps can't use that argument with the grumpiness though......!
But what I really wanted to say is that I think 5-10lbs weight loss in 2 months is really good and something to be proud of. It may be less than other people (your DH for example) but it's never a good idea to compare ourselves too much with other people. If you keep losing weight at the rate you have been, that's a whole lot of poundage off over the course of a year. So don't be discouraged, and keeeeeeep fasting (to the tune of 'Strictly's: Keeeeeeep Dancing!)
I always feel the cold much moe when i lose weight, so it may not be the fasting but the weighloss? I used to think, (when i was above 12 stone and a size 16 - years and years of that) that I was one of those hot people, who didn't need to wear layers, then when i first lost lots of weight after having my second child I realised that i was much colder, and me telling myself I was just warm blooded was nonsense, simply, fat just insulates us, which is great in some ways.....if we were living in the wilds or had to survive, then we would need fat stores, and I do have a theory (very non-scientific) that fatter people get less sick in the coughs/colds/stomach bugs department, or we at least recover quickly as we have energy stores, and therefore don't always get hit with teh very next bug doing the rounds, whereas many fo my skinny friends seem to spend weeks and weeks blighted by every virus doing the rounds.
any science bods have an opinion on this?
not that this is a reason to stay overweight, we can all wear layers, eat healthily and overweight has it's own areas of ill health related problems, I totally get that.
Here's an update on the health benefits after a check-up with the doc. Blood, cholesterol, triglycerides, liver function, heart - everything's perfect, though my cholesterol is teetering on the edge of the normal limit! BP was swinging from 170/90 but suddenly dived to 120/80. Lost 10 pounds in 8 weeks, fasting alternate days. Only 2 pounds in the last 4 weeks though as I stalled in the second month. BMI still 29.3 so loads to lose. Wonder when I'll get there at half a pound a week . Bigger problem, doc's scales show me at 10 pounds more on his electronic scales whereas my mechanical scales and my neighbour's show 10 pounds less.
And yes, I did monitor the gradual loss of 10 pounds on my scale, so the weight loss is not a mirage! Just that my BMI will shoot into the obese category again if I use the doc's numbers.
Laska thanks for those top tips !!! On day 2 and so far feeling good! Going to have a bash at this either Mon/Tues & Thurs to begin with. Feels like I've entered a whole new world. Looking forward to getting to know you all
hey thinkican great news, although boo hiss to dr's electronic scales, and it sounds like more than .5 pound a week, more like .75, if you think you can continue this WOE forever, then it will all come off and imho it's quite good for it to be a slow transition, I had a bmi of 28.6 6 years ago, and it had been at that level for a long time, now it's 24.9, I've gone from high end of overweight to just inside normal, and know it will get down towards middle of normal on this WOE. It took my head quite a long time to catch up with my new body image....I first lost the weight 4 years ago doing Paul Mckenna, (although some had crept back on, hence this new WOE) and it has taken me a while to not think of myself as a 'bigger girl'
You may find like me on this WOE that the weight loss fluctuates a bit, in line sometimes with our general fluctuations in eating habits/exercise etc.
I would stick to your figures rather than doc's and just keep at it, sounds like you are doing great, I guess if you felt like it you could always add an additional bit of exercise once per week and see if that makes a difference? when I first lost my weight I used to wear a pedometer and just try and beat the previous days count each day, became competitive with myself and it was quite good fun and once I lost all of the weight I then found I had the energy and inclination to run, having never been a runner in my life (i'm still an asthmatic wheezy and very slow runner, but i'm sure it still does me good!)
welcome jobylou enjoy the club, I have no idea why I am feeling so buoyant today, but definitely having a day of feeling evangelical about this WOE!
Liberty132 - My doctor seems to think I have the IBS, but she didn't investigate (here in Quebec, the doctors don't investigate much for those kind of things, unless you have severe condition ). I had been (very) frequently bloated for the last couple of months, but since last week - as I started the 5:2 plan - I feel more than better! I do not feel like a living balloon anymore! Is there something to do with it? I'd like to think so!
Laska : I don't know if it's the carb, or the dairy, or the fructose... There is so much things that seems could affect us with IBS!
Breadandwine: I agree with you. I feel like a finally have more control on my life. I'm feeling empowered instead of disappointed all the time!
Today is a fast day. Usually, I try to take my breakfast at 10, but this morning, I was so hungry! But, when I came to work, I met a lot of colleagues who had to talk to me, so I was able (because of the diversion) to eat it only at 9:30.
Have a nice day you all!
Note: Sorry for my english...
Sorry... What WOE stands for? Is it an abbreviation?
Way of Eating
(as in its a whole new way of eating rather than a short term diet)
Thanks mocnk for your encouraging words! I'll keep going and hope to make it to the normal BMI in course of time!
And yes, I think I should buy a pedometer and keep moving too!
Ok, delurking. Have piled on absolute kilts of lard from all-time low two years ago after bi-polar diagnosis; meds apparently play merry hell with metabolism. Anyway, have come (safely!) off them but looking down the barrel of nothing to wear, everything feeling like a sausage skin and generally v cross that I was 7.13 at 5ft nowt two years ago and now daren't even get on the scales. Am running every day, but think that I eat FAR too much. I suppose I should weigh really, but I dread the horrible truth. Anyway, just wanted to say hello, this is my first post and feel pathetically new-girl-like!
hi applefalls I like your name, and feel for you, sounds like you are doing a great job just getting incontrol of your meds though? congrats for that, can't have been easy.
Up to you about the scales, you'll probably kick yourself later for not weighing in as it's alwasy good to know how much you've lost, but then again, I was 6 pounds heavier than I thought i was when i weighed in, which was pretty demoralising, as it felt like teh first 6 pounds loss was just to get to my proper starting point!
maybe you could measure yourself instead?
running is great too, good that you found us, when are you doing your first fast, or have you started already?
good luck, we're a friendly bunch, you'll soon be an old timer and be well on your way back to 7 13!
Welcome to the thread apple! I personally enjoy weighing in, but that's because it inspires me to do better, or keep at it, or whatever. Gives me a kick up the bum when I need it, etc. I'm terrible at telling when I've put on weight, or lost it, otherwise.
What I don't like is weighing myself on different scales. Someone upthread mentioned it, but I thought I'd say, it's not really an accurate representation of your weight when you do that. Weighing yourself on the same scales (in the same location, on carpet, or not carpet, whatever- consistency is the key bit) is what will tell you whether or not you're gaining or losing. The number might not be correct but the change in the number should be, if that makes sense.
A friend of mine was being weighed for a gastric bypass (which she ended up opting not to have). She was weighed in one office and told to lose x amount of weight, maybe 10lbs, which she did. She was then weighed in another office and it showed her either not having lost any weight, or having only lost a pound or two. She insisted on being weight in the old office again, and sure enough- 10lbs were off.
Anyhoo. Anecdotal story.
As for my own update, we've got my in-laws visiting. They arrived yesterday so I made sure yesterday was a fast day. It's possible I'll have three non-fast days in a row, which will be the first time since I started this WOE. Since they're only here for three entire days, though, it would really be tough to do otherwise. Just means Sunday will be a fast day (they're leaving in the morning so I can easily avoid breakfast), which is fine. I just like my routines!
Oh oh and I've had my blood tests for my blood clot back, and it turns out I have some genetic abnormality which means my blood clots 2-3x faster than normal. I'm glad I've got a reason for it now, anyway, as I'm fairly active and it took ages to get them to diagnose me because of it.
Off to make dinner- chicken and chorizo paella. yum.
Mumofcrazy and greeneggs, thanks so much for such a lovely and fast welcome and such sensible words. Will weigh, with trepidation, tomorrow. You are quite right about just knowing!
Today is the first fast day, have been reading with interest all the embrace hunger comments.
So pleased to have taken positive steps!!
Think there is going to be an article about 5:2 in the Times magazine on Saturday. What else could:
"Eat Cake, Lose Weight. The revolutionary diet that everone is doing"
mean? Do you think we'll be famous?
In fact, I just did a little research, and it seems it's a different kind of approach. I didn't finish to read the article yet, but I'm wondering if it could be a part of the WOE on non-fast days...
I'm not a big fan of cake, although I enjoy having some once in a while, but it's interesting! Here's the link in the Telegraph:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9069276/Chocolate-cake-breakfast-could-help-you-lose-weight.html
"Everyone's doing"? Well that's untrue no matter what diet they are talking about.
It also answers some questions about the calorie-counting approach versus the what-you're-eating is important... I also find it interesting since it's talking about breakfast...and gherkin.
Oups! Gherlin. But I think it's more for those who are doing a calorie-counting-all-the-time-diet...
Evening all...2nd fast day of the week, and for the first time I have made it through the day with barely nothing to eat (2 cherry tomatoes!). This meant I had enough calories to have rice with my chilli non carne (first time I'd made it, yum, yum) and some left over for pudding later. I was so full, I couldn't finish it...
Look forward to some eating days now, although I may try and have a few 16 hour fasts over the weekend to bring myself back in after the last weekend.
Right, got to get the kids to bed..lwelcome to all the newbies! I'm also feeling evangelical about this way of eating!!
Smoked haddock and broccoli for my fast day dinner yum yum .. i'm still doing 2 meals but have pushed my 'breakfast eggs ' right back so I get my 16hrs in and then try and have a small 'eating window' so i can try and manage another 16hrs also. though today/tomorrow will probably be only 14 as I was late home so later dinner but we'll see how it goes in the morning.
Has anyone tried to do the lunch to lunch fast? Beginning after the lunch and then you can have a regular dinner the next day? As it work well for you?
Hi losers gainers and stay the samers. Wecome to our new losers!
Fast day 2 for this week and I struggled. Halloween hangover and 5 hours sleep didn't help. Made it through to dinner and had steamed veg and sticky rice. Going away for
the weekend not back until Monday . Not sure if I will manage to keep mondays fast but will try.
milimelo the trouble as I see it with a lunch to lunch fast is that your weekly calories aren't really going to be reduced very much. Big lunch, no diner, then next day big diner. I could easily have over 2000 cals on each day even if I didn't eat lunch til lunch.
Yes, Milimelo I tried that on my first fast day, so fasted Monday evening to Tuesday afternoon.
Today's my second fast and I had a proper dinner last night so have to wait til tomorrow. I think I prefer lunch to lunch, but it hasn't gone badly today - had 140 cals worth of pumpkin seeds, a clementine and 2 squares of dark choc at about 4 o'clock. Plus tons of black coffee and camomile tea throughout the day, and then a small cup of miso soup just now.
I'm hate calorie counting as it is all so fiddly and i can't be bothered to weigh stuff etc, but I think I'm well under 500 for today. Feel very energised - love this WOE!!
Next time I will go back to the lunch to lunch approach, I think.
And if I don't manage it there's always Tuesday
Yes, frenchfancy I see what you mean. i think you have to be strict about breaking the fast with an ordinary meal, not a big feast. But then, I did find that I got full up extraordinarily quickly - didn't eat as big a dinner as I would usually have as I ended up leaving some of it (unheard of as I am a clean-the-plate type!)
Aw ToffeeChops that's so nice and encouraging, thank you!
It is a definitely going in the right direction, just slower than I'd hoped....
However knowing its doable for life is such a reassurance isn't it?
We are still in the very early sages of this new wol. We each need to do what works best for us and play around with it until it fits. The better it suits your life, your body and your needs the more sustainable it becomes. There will be ups and downs but we are in for the long haul and all in it together
EnidN milimelo This WOE is new to all of us but are you proposing 24 hours without eating anything? There are no rules laid out but if there were it sounds like you are severely bending them. I, and it appears most on here, consider the "rule" to be 500cals from waking up in the morning until you go to sleep at night. Unless you are having zero calories for 24 hours it sounds like you are simply varying the time of day that you eat the majority of your calories, not really fasting.
Yes - I don't really get that part, tbh. My tactic has been no calories for at least 16hrs, and then a small snack if needed. I was thinking of it in terms of 3 meals per day, so I missed dinner on Monday and breakfast on Tuesday, had a v.small lunch on Tuesday and then a normal sized dinner.
I'm aiming to build up to 24 hours with no calories.
Does this sound wrong? I'm still cutting out two meal's worth and getting a good long fast in (so hopefully getting the invisible health benefits).
We have all based this WOE on what DrMM did and that was apparently 500cals from Tuesday dinner until breakfast on Thursday, so roughly 36 hours. As I said earlier what you are suggesting just sounds like varying your meal times
i agree with both what skinny says and manonboard we do have to find what works for us, we are all different in our targets, expectations, limitations etc, but I also think that part of what works is that we have 2 nights sleep as well as a day of limited calories, as MOB says approx 36 hours with just 500 cals, ordinarily we all do about 12 hours a night on a daily basis, that's just evening and sleep, so the 16 hour thing which may or may not be important, Dr MM didn't really talk about this, won't i don't believe work on it's own....although I absolutely have no evidence to support that belief, but I do think it's good for people to try out different things and see what works for them, I just wouldn't want anyone to get too disheartened if what they are trying is very different from what many of us is finding works, and then give up.
all the different experiments must add to our understanding and group knowledge, which has to be a good thing? just make sure you report back so we can all keep track !
tonight I've stolen a quarter of a slice of buttered toast off the kids leftovers, on top of my 500, no big deal really, part cross with myself, but part pleased that I managed to resist the bucket of leftover halloween sweets and treats!
bed now and avoid any further temptation, looking forward to fruit yogurt and waffles with my kids for breakfast tomorrow!
As has been said often, we're all feeling our own way with this new system - and I for one, am finding it very liberating. The 'rules' are so flexible that we can all put our own interpretation on them, providing we:
Stick to less than 25% per cent of the recommended calories (meaning <500 for women <600 for men) in any 24 hour period (up to 36+ if it includes two overnight sleeps);
Build in a 16 hour complete fast - to get the most of the health benefits;
Eat sensibly on our eating days;
Ensure we eat a varied diet.*
I think that EnidN is perfectly within these rules - have a normal lunch, less than 500cals for dinner, then nothing to eat until the next evening when she can have a normal dinner so the fasting period would be about 28-30 hours. I have seen this suggested elsewhere. And I tried it once myself. I didn't continue because I've found not eating breakfast (and thus not flicking the 'appetite switch') and lunch so easy.
mocnk not sure I understand that sentence after you mention Dr MM - but I agree with your general sentiments. Shame about your buttered toast - only a quarter? That's mirrored by me polishing off the leftover curry just now which was sitting on the stove. The saving grace here is that it was mainly vegetables - no carbs.
Today I rose late and had breakfast around 11am - since I was off to work at 1.30 I decided to call it brunch and didn't have any lunch. Prior to 5:2 I would have thought I've got to have lunch before I go out.
Back to the flexibility of this method - I've come to realise if I do overstep the mark on an evening (or pig out to use the common parlance), all I have to do is have a 'mini-fast' the following day - simply cut out breakfast and lunch. I might even build a 'feasting evening' followed by a 'mini-fast' the next day into my weekly schedule.
*I may have missed out a 'rule' or two. I'm sure someone will remind me if I have!
B&W Cannot agree with this 24 hour period as this could easily mean that over both days of the fast(?) you could easily exceed your daily calorie allowance by simply having a large lunch one day and a large evening meal the next. The Horizon programme and DrMM only ever mentioned fasting for a day which does not mean any 24 hour period. On a few forums I have read people loading up at 9:30pm and the next day having two 250/300cal meals then eating again at 10pm. I do agree that we are all finding our way but by conflating these two methods we are detracting from the simplicity of this WOE. As I mentioned earlier this is not a fast it is just varying your meal times.
Muscle weighs more than fat.
Muscle weighs more than fat.
Muscle weighs more than fat.
Muscle weighs more than fat.
Muscle weighs more than fat.
I have been to the gym 5 days out of 7 and that's on top of my normal stuff, i didn't go mad but i did work each time.
I did 4:3 and lost about a pound, a little disappointing but i must remember
Muscle weighs more than fat.
This is why i didn't ever weigh myself before and now im going to be scales obsessed again.
A few quick observations.. When i first started and lost a lot of fat quickly i ate two meals a day and took in around 600 calories , now i eat 1 meal a day and take in 500 calories have upped my exercise and am losing less. I ate more protein at the start too but cut down as i thought it would help . I do fast for well over the 24 hour period but always have. I wish i had kept more of a food diary etc so i could see what i was doing exactly at any time so i could see if one thing was consistently better than another.
A pound off is better than a pound on so onwards and upwards ... Have great day
Pie the poor movement on you scales is more likely to be caused by water retention than muscle mass. When you exercise more than normal, your muscles will retain water to aid their recovery. Muscles do weigh a little bit more than fat but gaining muscle mass is not easy, espeially for women, but it is incredibly easy for us to retain water and then lose is again fairly quickly.
Yo! another pound down this week and another inch off the waist since i last measured it a couple of weeks ago..
Come on Mumsnet where the Happy Bunny emoticon? ill make do with this
Eating now until Sunday...
Ahh and Friday night to look forward too...
Blimey Cyclistist .. I was out in Newport yesterday and noticed yesterday that someone's opened up a chilli shop on the Isle of Wight!!! We're being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.. will be getting Ceefax next!
Thats a whole stone lost now since August I'm now the least i've weighed in 20 years and well into normal BMI.. so happy!!
Well Done Laska!
I think the 24 hour (rather than 36 hour) fast period could work PROVIDED your weekly calorie intake were still in deficit.
This is much easier to work out if you simply have the 500 cals for 2 days a week for example:
(5 x 2350) + (2x500) = 12750 which is a deficit of 3700 cals on my weekly maintenance calories (16450).
But if I do like EnidN is suggesting I might have
Monday - 1800 (fasting from lunch but 500 at dinner)
Tuesday - 1200 (fasting til diner then diner with wine)
Wednesday - 2350 (normal day)
Thursday - 1800 (as Monday)
Friday - 1200 (as Tuesday)
Saturday - 2350 (Normal day)
Sunday - 2350 ( Normal day)
So total for the week = 13050 So I would still lose weight, but slower than with the first method.
FOr me the problem would be making sure I ate normally for the other meals. It would mean the diet effectively took up 4 days a week rather than 2. We have no way of knowing if the health benefits are different.
Top of the morning to you Laska and well done on another milestone (happy bunny emoticon) . I'm not too far behind you with the healthy BMI and that'll be the first time for a very long time. The weightloss for me on this has been great but the feeling of health has been just as great.
On Chilli shops Laska , is there any particular brand of red hot chilli sauce you would recommend they sell
After another touch and go Fasting day yesterday got two days of whatever I want till Sunday now, so just about to head out for a long cycle before the onslaught of wholemeal bread and porridge
Good luck and health to everyone today, remember keep the faith keep the fast or as Michael Mosley would say EAT FAST AND LIVE LONG
morning all, well weigh in and 2 pounds gain, but I am really not surprised, overindulgent eating/drinking fri-mon becasue of birthday party and foodie guests, 2 fasts since, so I am telling myself to be pleased, because if I hadn't fasted I would probably have gained 5 pounds, so by next fri i should be back to where i was last week.
i do think I have to get it into my head that there is always going to be a direct correlation between what i eat and what I weigh, sounds obvious right? but it's easy to slip into expecting a loss because i am doing this WOE, rather than remembering that sometimes the way I am living the rest of the time will have an impact too.
however really pleased for laska and pie great steady progress, I plan on joining you in that by next friday!
Have a great weekend all, am off out in the sunshine with my kids, need to do some running around and burn off the planned fish and chips later!
"B&W Cannot agree with this 24 hour period as this could easily mean that over both days of the fast(?) you could easily exceed your daily calorie allowance by simply having a large lunch one day and a large evening meal the next. The Horizon programme and DrMM only ever mentioned fasting for a day which does not mean any 24 hour period. On a few forums I have read people loading up at 9:30pm and the next day having two 250/300cal meals then eating again at 10pm. I do agree that we are all finding our way but by conflating these two methods we are detracting from the simplicity of this WOE. As I mentioned earlier this is not a fast it is just varying your meal times."
Hi MoB I understand your concerns, but, as Laska says, if you keep an eye on your calories you should lose weight. The key words in your response are 'large lunch' and 'large evening meal' - I doubt if that's part of anyone's eating plan.
To go from 1pm on one day to 6pm the next on <500 cals would be a tough call for anyone new to fasting - in fact, it's given me an idea.
I've wanted to go for a full 24 hour fast for a couple of weeks, but the most I've managed is 23 hours - from one evening to the next. By going from lunchtime on day one to dinnertime on day two, I could go for 28-30 hours. (I'd just have to get my wife to agree to me not having an evening meal. Hmmm)
About emoticons, I have to say, the Mumsnet ones are not a patch on the ones on this site here:
The thumbs up sign is particularly useful, I find, but there are some amusing ones on there. The emoticons are down on the right, and you can bring up more by clicking on the links - page 2, etc.
The site itself is for foodies, and the thread is their diet thread.
B&W frenchfancy 5:2 Eat whatever you like (within reason) for 5 days eat no more than 500cals for 2. Yet you both seeem to be suggesting calorie counting on 4 days a week. At work we have a Friday lunch club where I have my main meal of the day and usually something light in the evening. On Saturday I usually have a late breakfast and then we usually go out for dinner in the evening, similar to what is being suggested and believe me this is not fasting or good for weight loss. Yes "large lunch" and "large evening meal" but you appear to imply that these should now be in moderation, so again affecting the times outside of the fast period. Sorry if I appear to be particularly vehement in my dismissal of your position but I maintain that this is just calorie counting and is certainly not fasting.
Oops, sorry Laska and frenchfancy for mixing you up!
MoB we may well have to agree to disagree on this.
However, you say,
"At work we have a Friday lunch club where I have my main meal of the day and usually something light in the evening. On Saturday I usually have a late breakfast and then we usually go out for dinner in the evening, similar to what is being suggested and believe me this is not fasting or good for weight loss."
But, if you were to restrict your 'something light in the evening' and your 'late breakfast' to >600cals in total (in your case), then that would fit the criteria - except that it extends over two days - of fasting for more than 24 hours. To get the 16 hour fast in, you'd have to have lunch instead of breakfast. But to my mind, that's fine. It's a convoluted way of doing it, and I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but if someone wants to take that route and call it 5:2, I'd support that.
I'll have to dig out the research where I've seen this mentioned. Trouble is, there's a lot of stuff to wade through out there!
Hope you enjoyed your lunch!
Breadandwine: I find fasting, from eg 8 pm on day 1 to 8 a.m on day 3 is quite manageable. I don't eat although I have unlimited hot drinks, a few of which contain a small amount of "milk".
However I can only do this if I have not eaten high GI foods on day 1. If I eat lots of carbs in the form of non starchy vegetables, lots of vegan fats in the form of coconut fat, avocados, olives and nuts and plenty of protein in the form of seeds then I have no real trouble with not eating for 36 hours. On the other hand if I eat fruit or grains, including flour, then I suffer from unbearable hunger, cravings and dizziness and a desperate desire for more of the same a few hours after eating. None of this will necessarily apply to you, but it might be worth experimenting with before you go for your longer fasts.
Good luck, it certainly feels good afterwards!!
B&W My point is that you are extending the 2 in 5:2 and changing this WOE to 120:2x24. There is still no real evidence to support any of this apart from DrMM who fasted 2 days a week and I really wonder why anyone would want to complicate something so simple ie Monday - eat normally, Tuesday - restrict yourself to 500cals, Wednesday - eat normally. This alternative may be successful but is not 5:2 and perhaps shpuld not be given too much space on a thread labelled 5:2. Another major point that you seem to be ignoring is how your body is responding during sleep the day following a fast.
I agree the simplicity is what's clear for me personally. Do whatever you want/feel comfortable doing but I personally love that I can eat normallly some days, restrict to under 500cals on others, simples.
I am well and truly off the wagon at the moment. Out for dinner tonight so am just going to fast until then with celery to snack on to at least give my body a break from all the insane overindulgences. So looking forward to being able to fast again properly this weekend
Weighed myself today : put on a pound this week.
Not a surprise - have only fasted once, have not been to the gym and am a tad stressed (see hurricane Sandy threads)
As DH and I said, we'll just fast on Monday and get back into it for the rest of the term. So long as all the weight does not go back on in the odd break, we are both better off than where we were in September.
silly thought, 2350 sounds very high for normal day calories ... are you very tall?
just that my TDEE is a lot lower than that - I'm 5'5"
Yup, the KISS method has done it for me and I'm sticking to it .(she says stuffing a bit of lime and sea salt dark choc into her gob ) ..
And No... I'm not referring to my rediscovered mojo
I really don't want to go on , but I've bought new size 10 jeans today and having sat at the computer for an hour in them I think they are a little bit loose on the bum...(Sorry, ill get me coat..)
Still on my hols & have been eating rather a lot, my excuse though is that I'm staying with family & omg do they get the hump if you are not eating every half an hour! Thank goodness I can keep repeating that doctors have put me on gluten free diet as goodness knows how large I'd be. Unfortunately dh has no such excuse! I'm am dreading weighing in when I get back but at least I know that I'll be able to fast & will eventually lose it (again).
Well done to everyone else & welcome to any new people.
TIP2 I'm not very tall, 168cm, but I am heavy and do a physical job. I've actually been cautious and put moderate exercise in to the TDEE caluclator. If I put in heavy exercise it goes to over 2500 cals/day.
Wow there's been a lot of finagling in here since last I checked the thread. I'm not really going to comment much- I know someone posted previously saying she did dinner to dinner fasting and it was working for her, so whatever floats your boat. As long as you're getting the weight loss out of it (presuming that's what you want, of course, and not the other benefits) then I don't think it matters. It wouldn't work for me, though. I really prefer to keep myself on a schedule and know that a day is a fast day, from waking up to going to bed.
I've had two non-fast days in a row and normally tomorrow would be a fast day. However, the inlaws will still be here tomorrow, so it's a dilemma as to whether or not I try to explain it or if I just go along and make Sunday a fast day. I'm not really keen on it, though, so I might just have to be weird and explain. (It's slightly more difficult with the language barrier, would be easier if I found some articles in German on the subject.)
I just want to share how good i feel tonight.
I am very happy and feel really well.
Today should have been my 3rd fast day this week but i chose to break the fast and share a birthday and eat cake. I wasn't hungry i just wanted to enjoy the moment.
It was cold and dark and i was knee deep in mud getting my horse in tonight, i came home cleaned up at 6.30 then went out and fed my other animals and was cold again. I came in washed up and slipped into my pj's. I have an evening alone and have eaten macaroni cheese and fresh bread and butter. I have opened a bottle of wine and am warm and comfortable, i am very lucky to be able to do this. My weight will reduce in the course of time and already my clothes are loose. Compared to some in this world i am incredibly lucky and my rise in weight over the years is a reflection of this. Some are so thin from starvation and will never be as big as i am, this is a crazy world and so unfair to some. Tonight i am very grateful to be me.
Piebaldrider, that is a wonderful post. Seriously wonderful.
Well yesterday was my 2nd ever fast day, first being Monday. It went very well up until the evening. Had a very busy day of running errands, so went though until 3.30pm before I had home made soup and an apple. So far a real success.
I have a head cold, as I did on Monday. On Monday I went for a swim and a sauna. Thursday night (before dinner), I went to my high temp circuits class. 15 mins in I thought my chest was going to explode! I do this class most weeks so I knew something was wrong.
I hope it was due to the cold and not the lack of calories that day. If it is the calories, I will have to rethink the days I fast.
As per Monday, Thursday was really straight forward. I do hope its the same when I return to work next week.
Does anyone else reguarly do two fasting days back to back and if so how much more difficult is it (hunger wise, energy level wise, concentration wise). Does anyone doing 4:3 do 1 day stand alone and then 2 back to back?
Curious. I do want the health benefits but I also want to shift some weight but as my BMI is 25 I think I may need to do more than 5:2. I guess I will see tomorrow morning when I weigh myself for the first time this week.
Still loving this WOE one week in. Love that I can make mine and my hubbies dinner the same 5 times a week and dont need to weigh and measure my food. Love the feeling of control. Love that when I feel hungry on a feeding day, I just embrace the feeling. Love that my IBS bloated tum appears to be no more.
Well thats enough love - lets just hope I weigh a little less at 7am tomorrow morning.
Done my 2 days this week but seem to have developed a head cold. Cue falling off the healthy eating wagon and vast amounts of ice cream and soft white bread. I figured that trying to be good whilst sick was just too tough, but this may have been a step too far. Need to be bikini ready in 6 weeks... What do you reckon? Can 2 days of carbs throw months of 5:2 off course?!
Piebaldrider - how lovely. I know just what you mean. Was on a fast day recently and went to local late night store for a bottle of water. There were two homeless youths begging outside. I asked what they needed and they said they were hungry. It really struck me that I was hungry out of choice and they were hungry out of no choice.
I felt very blessed indeed to be able to have the luxury of this choice.
It was very humbling. I'm grateful to be me too!
"This alternative may be successful but is not 5:2 and perhaps shpuld not be given too much space on a thread labelled 5:2."
MoB What do you suggest we do? Tell EnidN to go and start her own thread?
This thread has been one of the most inclusive threads I've ever been a part of - and personally, I'd like to see it continue in that vein.
Surely there's room for every variation of this WOE on here - and we can perhaps learn from her experience. In the meantime she can see all the other variations and make her own mind up how to proceed.
Laska I finally got around to making that chocolate avocado mousse recipe you recommended in the last thread.
I bought a pack of four avocados about a week ago, and I've been waiting for them to ripen. Tonight I could wait no longer, so I had a go.
I hit a couple of snags:
The avocado was still pretty hard - I only have a stick blender, and I couldn't make any inroads into it until I blitzed it in the microwave for 90 seconds;
The sugar I used was Billington's molasses sugar which had clumped together. When I microwaved the chocolate and sugar together (only for 60 seconds), the clumps of sugar hardened rather than softened.
So, when I mixed it all together, it was fairly gritty, what with the avocado not being properly ripe, and the sugar staying in little lumps. It reminded me of my homemade chocolate spread, rather than a mousse, so I added about 80mls of soya cream to loosen it up a bit.
Having said that, it was very nice indeed - it tasted lovely, the coffee (I used a good instant) added another layer of flavour and I'll definitely do it again.
I think I'll add a dash of Benedictine to it next time. My wife would have preferred that I used milk chocolate instead of dark - but I pointed out that it wouldn't have been vegan, then, would it?
I can see me making two different batches next time! [rolls eyes smiley]
Thanks for the suggestion, Laska!
Monday will be my next fast day and the change in the weather seems to make it so much harder. If its hard for me to do this by choice how hard must it be for those with no choice especially children. This woe is bringing these things to mind and as such i think if i do something about it then maybe i will get more out of this and it will give me another reason to continue. As such next week to make a start i shall donate a little food to a homless charity on the days i fast . I now this thread is about 5.2 but this post is about how this woe is affecting me as a person as well as my health and weight. If one other person quietly does the same thing then this thread has helped more than just us.
I promise i wont keep on posting about it but this woe may just be having other benificial effects on me.
Have a great day one and all, im off to ride and then i shall be at the gym and take another step towards increasing my fitness .
I think this thread should be about all the benefits piebald.
We went shopping yesterday. DH needed new jeans. He ended up buying 32" waist. He hasn't been a 32" waist for more than 15 years. He is very happy, and I am happy to have a trim husband.
Trouble is he is now saying he will reach target by Christmas. It will be at least Easter before I hit mine - not fair!
Whoop whoop!! Have lost over 2lbs this week, bringing total loss to 11lbs in 11 weeks after severe doldrums last month (1.5lbs in 4 weeks). BMI 24!! And I'm never going to be 'overweight' again !!!
Just adding my sixpenn'orth to above posts - glad to see some sticking to the simplicity principle of this diet. There really is only one rule! Other than that, do what works for you.
Woooo hoo, woo hoo, woo hoo.
I have lost 3lbs. First week of this WOE. Found fasts on Mon and Thurs ok but ate loads on non fasting days. Yesterday was a normal eating day too (always weigh myself on a Sat monring). I ate danish pastries, pasta, pizza (took nieces to pizza hut), cake, chicken and melted cheese, some chocolate.
OMG - really chuffed. I was really happy that tum has shrunk and IBS symptoms seem less - but weight loss aswell has made my day. Had a cold all week so defo thought that may hinder any results.
About to head out for a 5 miles walk along the beach (on the sand - good work out for thighs!) with my dad.
Havent told any family or friends that I am doing this WOE. Wanted to get my head around it first and see if it is something I will stick with. At this rate I think I will be making some announcements next weekend!
Still interested to know how 4:3 people get on and how hard is 2 back to back days. As I really enjoy a tough work out at the gym, I dont think I can fast and attend my circuits class so need to move fast days around and Mon and Tues would be the easiest for gym, after work activities etc.
Beautiful sunny day (very cold though) up here in the North East of England. Hope everyone has a great day. Love this forum. Will start to look at some of your great recipes over the coming weeks.
By for now.
Well done liberty
I moved to 4:3 after a while on 5:2 and it's been fine - I tried back to back and really struggled, it definitely felt like being on a diet - so I won't be doing that again . What I often do though is have a fast day followed by an 'intermittent' day - not fasting but light eating if I'm in the zone. I don't force myself to eat high calorie food if I would be as happy with a salad.
I've now lost 16lb since the programme aired in August and am finding the way that works for me given my age etc. basically i take every opportunity i can to fast (but not on consecutive days) and eat low calorie (but not calorie counting) on the other days when i can, and eat high calorie foods when being sociable and out for meals. Interestingly this seems pretty much how my skinny sister has lived her life!
I have accepted that my calorie requirement is now at the level that I used to think of as diet rations (1500 ish) so will simply have to eat accordingly. Went out for an Indian meal last night and a few so will not eat today until later - I'm hoping it will be a fast day but I've got a friend staying for a few days so it might not be . She's not doing it but I'm not the only one of our circle who is- so she understands how it works! I just love the fact that I can be so Flexible and relaxed about it.
Weigh in today and down 2lbs total of 23lbs in 30 fast, bmi 33.1 to 29.5
B&W You appear to be deliberately ignoring the most salient points and being selective in highlighting what I posted out of context
i) it is called the 5:2 diet and that a day is 24 hours but 24 hours is not necessarily a day
ii) That you say you have to restrict your calories beyond 24 hours, as french agreed in her post
iii) The potential health benefits there may be as you sleep on an empty stomach
iv) We are all doing this based on DrMM's results and he fasted from waking up to going to sleep
My uncle is called Leo but that don't make him a lion
And no, I am not suggesting anyone starting a separate thread and I am disappointed that you have made this personal and appear to only have suggested that at the same time as saying "friendly and inclusive" in what appears to be a fairly crude attempt at making me out to be the bad guy
Good morning to all! Have been busy last few days and so just having a catch up!
To those ( I think was bunjie and babbas ) I have been doing this since 22 sept. I've been doing 4:3 and have started power walking for 30mins a day( started that on 1 oct ).
I am 29 yrs old, I'm 5ft7, and weigh 10st10. My bmi is about 24.
I have not lost a pound since starting BUT I feel smaller, happier, more energised and trim.
I have no idea if the scales will ever show a loss but I am slowly fitting in smaller clothes and I have noticed an increase in muscle in my legs/bum from walking so time will tell.
My wedding is next year and I would love to loose a stone but no hope of that yet but I'm getting smaller which is what matters.
I live how I'm starting to feel so don't get de motivated- it is worth it!
Have a great weekend to all and well done to all those that have lost!!
The feature about IF/5:2 in the Times magazine is good. The first part is a 2-page article by Mimi Spencer with 3 pages of photographs (one of which is very nice indeed - no, not the photo of the takeaway). It includes quotes from Michael Mosley, Brad Pilon, Krista Varady and refers to the work of Prof Valter Longo, all people we are familiar with on these threads and links. The second part is a very amusing review of the diet by Hugo Rifkind who did the diet for 3 weeks, without losing much weight (but he does intend to keep at it).
I shall be cutting out to show my DH (who is more likely to believe that it's not a fad now) and friends who are beginning to ask what diet I'm doing. I, like so many of you, just love this WOE!
I live the idea that awareness of our own hunger leads to thoughts and actions about those who have no choice, lovely ideas in what is a very inclusive and interesting thread. I find it very rewarding to read everyone's experiences and conclusions. And especially successes!
I did weigh, gulp, 10.4 stone. <emoticon for solitary tear of disappointment and regret rolling slowly down nose and plopping into ginger tea>
But have just done two fast days back to back, feel energetic and hungry but not in an eat-the-dog way. Just quietly happy to sate ot with fruit and looking forward to soup and a roast chicken tomorrow.
Thanks for letting me join in and sharing everything you're all learning.
Ooops, "LOVE the idea" in case you think I am perhaps a religious mystic in a cave...
Hi breadand wine glad the mousse it was good .. i've not done it yet.. made a batch of guacamole instead! - but now encouraged ill get some more today and have a go..
Lunch out today at the Garlic Farm cafe.. so looking forward it .. if any of you ever come to the Isle of Wight for a break,.. its a definate 'must do'
just marking place on thread, hello all
MoB I'm not sure this is the right kind of thread to get too picky about how people interpret this WOE ... to be honest I'm not doing this based on Dr MMs results - that's just one factor - I did my own research once I'd watched the programme. I'm not doing 5:2 I'm doing 4:3 or even ADF .... depending on the week you decide to check on me .
I think the point about what constitutes "a day" of 24 hrs is interesting, but if someone is fasting and restricting calories in a different 24 hr period to 'the norm' then I don't see the problem if it works for them. If it doesn't work then we might suggest a more traditionally based definition of a day as an alternative - but isn't it the flexibility of this WOE that so many of us (certainly me) have found positive? I don't think we should be too prescriptive because that does turn it into "a diet" - and I hate diets
All garlic lunch - nom nom :-)
Cats Fully take your point and that if what anyone does works for them I would be 100% supportive, although I do think that detracting from the simplicity of this is WOE would be a shame. The results that keep being reported have been brilliant and it would be a pity if anyone were to adopt an "alternative" method to what appears to work so well and have no return. We probably all know of, or are, people who have tried every diet going and have started with plenty of enthusiasm and given up as the weight loss plateaus. A relative of mine on a diet was just eating their third slice of pizza when someone (surprisingly not me) mentioned their diet and subsequently got their head snapped off. with the simplicity of this WOE this would not happen. Also the psychological difference "I can have it tomorrow" and sense of achievement and control that seems to give people more resolve would be lost.
Oh shoot. I forgot about buying The Times today to read the article. Anyone able to scan it and post it in anyway?
If anyone read it, was it useful, encouraging?
Had a great walk today which was rewarded with the most amazing f&c and mushy peas.
Next planned fast day is Monday and I cant wait - isnt that weird???!?!?
Today I brought dd to Mc Donald's for a treat as she had received an award at school.
It was so great not to feel guilty eating it!
My apologies if my last post upset you - not my intention at all.
I've said all along that there was evidence to support EnidN's WOE - I just had to find it. Here it is:
Mark Butcher emailed the scientists involved in Dr M's programme to ask what they are recommending now. (This reference has been on the Tips and Links thread since the 17th October.)
If anyone hasn't seen this blog, it's well worth a look.
Here's Mark Mattson's response. (He was the fourth scientist on the programme, IIRC)
"It would be much better if you could just get through a fast day without eating at all. Obviously, very few people are able to do that, so if you are going to eat a (600 for a man, 500 for a woman) calorie reduced meal, you are much better to consume that as one meal than to spread those calories throughout the day. This is because the stress that going for 24 hours without food places on your brain actually has produced identifiable positive brain responses such as the growth of new brain cells. Its like a workout for the brain. How to add that into an intermittent fasting or alternate day plan?
Easy. Either, take a note of what time you last ate on the feed day prior to your fast and then do not consume your 600 calorie fast day allowance until 24 hours has past. So, if you ate at 6pm on a feed day, do not eat your 600 calories until 6pm on the fast day. That way, youve gone 24 hours without food AND you get to eat (albeit a restricted) dinner! If that doesnt grab you, eat breakfast on a fast day and then dont eat again until your breakfast the next day. " (My emphases)
All EnidN did was to move the start time of her fast from breakfast to lunch. She then fasted for 24 hours.
This WOE is more than just 5:2 - there's 6:1, 4:3, ADF - and probably variations on these. As you yourself have said, if it works for you, fine.
BTW, congratulations on the weight loss!
Funny you should say about the 24 hour thing, I'm doing ADF and on fast days I go 22 hours but can't quite manage the extra 2! I'm fasting tomorrow so will try, I ate at 6:30pm so will try to last til 6:30 tomorrow.
I do feel better the longer I go funnily enough.
I love this thread, we are all going to be skinny minnies soon
Well i had an unusual surprise.
I came in from the cold and took of my jacket, i was wearing a short sleeved Tshirt underneath and after a minute of standing in the kitchen i felt a bit chilly. (I do get more chills on this woe).
I folded my arms across my chest and automatically grasped the opposite upper arm with my hands , weirdly i had a moment of complete blankness absolutely no thought and this startled me. I then realised that my brain was not recognising my body . I had not grasped my upper arms for ages and since the last time i did they had become a totally different shape and my brain was confused as it didn't recognise the signals my hands were sending back. It was a weird but great moment of realisation of another change that i had not even noticed or thought about.
Fasting tomorrow so may knock up a warming root vegetable veggie casserole as minimal calories but a winter warming meal.
Piebald, that's so interesting. And gratifying I imagine.
May I ask how long you've been doing this? Apologies if you've already mentioned, I've been overloading on information in the last few days.
Here goes liberty, something else I've never done before - hope this works:
Unfortunately Molly we only get the first paragraph.
I'm looking forward to fasting tomorrow too. I've had a couple of days of feasting including 2 restaurants and several bottles of wine.
It hasn't stopped me buying a new pair of trousers 2 sizes smaller than I normally wear!
Thanks frenchfancy. I found the page asks me to log in to read beyond the first para. I found a blog carrying the article though:
Please tell us if it is the whole article.
Sorry, I should have thanked molly. And this is the clickable link of the blog:
Oops! Sorry about that - I thought it had all gone too well. Forgot you have to subscribe to the Times to get Times online. Thanks for sorting out
THe times is behind a paywall - so they only give you a taster - and if anyone did post the article on here MNHQ would have to take it down as it would be breach of copyright. I went out last night and bought a copy, nothing we didn't know - the writer having similar experience to most of us in that once she started mentioning it she found lots of people were doing it - including more men than you would normally expect - there was a funny line about men's normal reaction to the suggestion of a diet being like their reaction on finding a box of tampons (that's my memory of what it said - disclaimer - paper is downstairs and ive come back to bed with a cup of tea and my iPad).
I fasted 18 hrs yesterday but didn't keep the calories under 500 - made a healthy stir fry and had the superglue noodles rather than the
nice rice ones I made for my friend - but also had half a bottle of . As usual that's made me ravenous this morning so I had a large bowl of banana(s) with yoghurt.
I'm tantalising close to going under 10st - not been there since 2002 - once my friend goes home on Monday I will go onto calorie restricted fasting for 3 days a week again.
It's good you posted the article - it was easy taking it from there
Im back properly now, finally!!!! The babys mammoth growth spurt has stopped, he's feeding 'normal' amounts now (hourly as opposed to constantly) so Im going full throttle on this diet again as I know I can do it when he's feeding normally.
So, fast day tomorrow.
Im at my absolute heaviest at about 10.7 stone, so Im going to calm the white bread and cakes on feed days too for a couple of weeks at least.
Bring it on, Im glad to be back!
Thanks for the Times link, if I'd seen it yesterday I might have picked up a copy. Thank you for the quick summary, cats!
It sounds as if they've discovered what we have. It is a WOE that we're not talking about because of conventional ideas that we all need to eat 3 square meals. I try to plan my non-fast days around social events so that I don't have to talk about it much. Which is why I love y'all so much . I don't feel as if I have many questions about it anymore, but I like to come here and know I'm not the only weirdo doing this.
I managed a fast day yesterday despite it being the inlaws last day visiting. I made a curried carrot puree soup and had that for dinner (there's was supplemented with bread/cheese/ham etc- they're German and enjoy these sort of meals. I do too!) and it didn't look too odd that I was only having the soup.
Well done on biting the bullet and weighing in, apple. I think you'll appreciate knowing your starting point so you can keep track of your progress.
We're off to lunch today, nothing huge but it should be a nice meal.
Welcome to all newcomers, btw! I've been busy with the inlaws so not kept tabs of everyone, but it's good to see new names posting.
Molly & TIC - thanks for doing that. Yeah nothing we didnt already know but great that it was in such a high profile weekend mag. More people knowing and more people showing an interest can only be a good thing.
A non fasting day today but weirdly I like to feel hungry. Before this WOE (the week before last!), I would never feel hungry. Would circle the kitchen several times and stuff my face. Now I sit here thinking - 'you've had cereal and a yogurt - you can wait and have a banana in half an hour'! - No I am not going crazy talking out loud to my tum but I am finding that I question my food decisions on eating days. Dont always listen to myself mind you!!!
So - I am about to walk to asda to buy soup ingredients for some low cal veg soup for tomorrows fast day. Will eat the banana before I leave to prevent me from shopping whilst hungry - always a big mistake for me.
Still loving this site and all the support as I am yet to tell friends and family what I am doing. Another week and if I see results again I will shout it from the roof tops.
Enjoy your Sundays everyone - frosty up here in the North East of England, but the sun has just popped out so thats my que to walk to asda.
thanks Molly and TIC . yes article isn't saying anything we don't know . although she still seems to be struggling on weeks 3 ,( its the apple eating I reckon , boosts the blood sugar.. I'm avoiding fruit on fast days .
What's the betting we get an inrush of new people this week?
Fasting again today , but quite hungry.. I think I had a few too many carbs yesterday ..
but MR Ls lovely roasted carrot and red pepper soup to look forward to (its on the recipe thread if you've not tried it )
Have not fasted properly during half term - and REALLY looking forward to it tomorrow
almost as much as I'm looking forward to Roast Beef and Yorkshire pud for lunch today!
Thanks greeneggs, you are absolutely right and it can only get better!
Good afternoon all, it's been great reading about so many peoples success in so many different ways on this WOE/WOL. For me it's more of a way of living than a way of eating as like others I feel it has changed me in some strange but indefinable positive way and it's something I expect to continue for a long,long time (I've got to stop sounding so bloody hippyish, I'll be eating goats cheese or going Vegan soon if I'm not careful) No offence meant to hippy Vegans.
Today was supposed to be a fasting day for me as have been all but one Sunday since August. But due to the deluge of rain down my way the 6 football games I should have been coaching and therefore distracting myself, were called off. So I thought Sod it and have been fully gorging myself on Toast and Porridge with Oat bran...and tea with milk and sugar ...I'll fast on Monday.
This links in quite sweetly though with a change I am going to have make. On this WOL my body shape has COMPLETLY changed, changed to a shape I haven't been since being a teenager. However I seem to be getting to a point now where I'm close to losing TOO much, something I never thought I'd be saying. Tbf though I have been doing a lot of cycling on top of the WOE so the weight loss has been good, personally I think this WOL works really well with cardio exercise (for various reasons).
So back to the change I've been thinking about. I'm going to go down from 4:3 to 5:2. From fasting Sun/Tue/Thurs to fasting Mon/Weds with a 16 hour no calorie gap on Sundays....football allowing
I'm hoping this will allow me to continue to get all the amazing health and weight benefits I 'feel' I'm getting from this but not to start looking underweight or to get too obsessed about restricting my food intake.
Tbh though not sure whether the latter would ever happen, I seem to be eating worringly large amounts of food on my 'up' days. Last Saturday night I ate half on one of those Sainsburys buttercreme chocolate cakes and a huge Pizza, half a bar of chocolate and some other stuff but had still lost weight over the weekend despite eating well on the Friday ( I'm not trying to say that any of that was healthy or the way it should be done).
So for now on, 2 fasts a week. No food from around 9.00pm on the previous night for around 16 hours then 600 cals until I go to bed and the fast will be broken the following morning when I'll eat what I want but hopefully include within that plenty of veg, fibre, oats, bran etc.
In general I have loved and continue to love this WOL with the benefits being :
Reduced Body Fat Ratio
Amazing change to body shape
Eventually better sleep or need for less of it anyway
Reading everyones inspirational stories on here and the openness and inclusivity of this thread
My only concerns are :
My protein intake has been pretty low especially as I have been exercising so much. I'd be pretty keen to find out more evidence on how low is safe in regard to protein.
I seem to have developed a bottomles stomach on some 'up' days
Have a great day everyone and apologies for the saga like length of this post
Congratulations Cyclistist. It's wonderful to hear success stories that keep the rest of us going! And you were right about telling me my BP would go down if I continued with this WOE.
Liberty - It's so true what you are saying about thinking first before stuffing our faces. We learn so much as we explore healthy alternatives. Just discovered millet which I found is a high fibre/high protein/mineral-rich alternative for rice in several recipes. But alas, it's supposed to be on the banned list for those with an under active thyroid. So, I have to give away the pack I just bought. Others could try it though.
Hi everyone - checking in as it's the last day of my best friend visiting and I'm going to fast today for the first time in over a week. Feel horrifically fat and guilty and as the days have gone on the guilt has manifested itself in extreme overeating as per my old ways. Desperate to get back into the WOE to readjust my brain again as much as anything and do glad to have this thread to come back to.
Also need to get back to power yoga and swimming again, and booking in some training rides.
My brother arrives on Thursday and he won't have much patience for this WOE so I'm just going to not tell him then if he notices that on 2/3 days a week I happen to be eating a lot less I'll say something then. Thankfully he doesn't drink that much that regularly (more likely to have a big blow out once in a while) so at least it also won't be constant beer and wine every evening while he's here!
Hi. I have been reading through your threads over the last week or so. I hope you will let me join. I am a long-time member of the "big slim" boards (but have buggered up my old registration/account and re-registered with MN today).
I am enthused by your comments on this WOE, as I am not fond of breakfast, and if I am busy I find it really annoying to have to stop working because it's "lunch time". I always find I get hungrier sooner if I have breakfast, so it's good to find I'm not alone in this
I did not see the Times article yesterday, which is a shame because it would be good to have something to show DH and family members, but hopfully the proof of the pudding will be visible soon enough.
My only concern is that I am incredibly overweight...
oops, I forgot to say, I am going to try 5:2 and I am planning my first fast day tomorrow, my second one will be Weds/Thurs.
lilac welcome to the madhouse - we ARE the research project
but you know a system works when lots of us are counting down till a fast starts rather than it ends
once you realise that the grumbly tummy will not kill you, hunger is just fine
and as a comparative skinnymalink, knowing that blow out weekend food followed by chilled weekday food is just fine
makes the whole world a more controllable place
(and BTW, my dad in the bad bit of Manhattan is OK, cold but OK. No heat till late November in his flat - he's 76 - but the community seem to be pulling together, even if the Americans do not "get" queueing)
Great article (Welcome lilac - the link's further up the thread) and good that its getting out there in the mainstream media. Thanks first for the article mention, then the quote, and then the links great work, folks!
Heres that quote you mentioned, catsrus,
four of her colleagues were already doing it, all of them men. This is fascinating in itself, since, in my experience, men tend to approach diet fads the way they might approach a box of Lil-Lets.
As has been said, nothing that we dont already know (but you cant help feeling that the reporter would have benefited from reading these threads! ).
However, this, from Brad Pilon, the Eat Stop Eat guy, is worth quoting in full:
Basically, fasting gives your body a chance to house-keep, he says. Constant growth is not a good thing. There must be time for recovery and rebuilding at a cellular level if optimal health is the goal. Pilon boycotts all calories during his biweekly, 24-hour fasts; these typically run from 2pm to 2pm, leaving no single day completely deprived of food (and, says Pilon, I get to sleep through most of the fast). Fat loss starts at about 12 hours into a fast, he says, and plateaus at around 18 hours. At this point, the body is busying itself with autophagy*. It is also in ketosis, a term you may recall if you have ever dabbled with Atkins when the body has exhausted its glucose reserves and is tucking into fat.
* When IGF-1 levels drop as happens in a fast state the body slows production of new cells and instead repairs old ones. This is autophagy, a word derived from the Greek for self-eating.
I had to laugh reading the reporters thoughts on what 500 calories looked like:
Its immediately clear that 500 calories looks pitiful if you gather them together in one place: a mug of lentil soup, a plum, half a chicken breast, seven blueberrries and a breadstick. It looks like tea for a toddler. Once weighed, measured, counted and cut into inch cubes, everything looks tiny. Usual portions are way out; to nudge under 500 calories, youre looking at a quarter of a small avocado, a 3oz steak (around a third of an average serving), eight almonds, a bowl of carrot soup. No cheeky glass of vino with your salmon salad, no crusts from the kids tea, no pavlova which is a tragedy if you happen to have one in the fridge.
Instead, my husband and I share an apple for lunch. I eat my half slowly, in small bites, the way you might consume something very rich, such as Valrhona chocolate. I consider the apple core. I quite fancy it, but would it send me over my lunch limit? Ive already had 30g of Bran Flakes for breakfast. (166 calories. When a cereal box says a 30g serving, measure it. Go on. Be amazed. Its not enough to fill a childs cupped hand.) And theres chicken salad for supper a no-skin, white-meat, one-slice chicken salad to book-end my day. There will be some sprouts, a radish and a cherry tomato, perhaps a handful of leaves, a shaving of raw cabbage. And no pavlova. Until tomorrow.
Someone needs to email her and point her in the direction of these threads especially the recipe thread!
500 calories = a WHOLE tin of baked beans with parmesan on top and parma ham under ...
effing journalists cannot spot the "eat when hungry" mode - their loss
Hugo Rifkind didn't really try properly. Must be fun to make a living from having a half-hearted go at something, failing, and writing about it anyway.
I did like this though
"Tomorrow I can have anything. Rolos. A cake. A pizza. A pizza, covered in Rolos and cake"
Bran flakes is a ridiculous waste of calories when you can only have 500.
ThinkIcan glad to hear the BPs gone down, that in itself is huge step away from health problems, brilliant news. From reading up on Intermittant Fasting and from what some have said on here it definiately seems to support those with High Blood Pressure in bringing it down. My doctor has had to drop my dose of Lisinopril by half.
Trills that's the quote I read aloud to DH when I finally got a hold of the article.
Yup .. no imagination.
I nearly always have 2 meals and a 16hr fast and have been losing fine ..
My fast days often look like this (as i just eat the same things now) .. 2 eggs 1 thin slice ham and poached mushrooms for breakfast
and for 'early dinner' either Mr Ls spicy roasted carrot and pepper soup ,
or a whole 225g packet of sainsburys king prawns with broccoli spring onion ginger garlic and chilli..
Yum a good plate or bowlful
Less than 500 cals.. no probs
Ahhhh poop. On a fast day here and just succumbed to a packet of quavers, this leaves with me 315 calories for tea.
Any ideas please x
cyclist and others Re protein .. I know the 'science' (as it is )suggests less protein on fast days , but I have to say i've been going for higher protein (as shown in my post above).
It doesn't seem to have impeded weight loss, (but of course I cant know that..) and also what I don't know is if its has meant less beneficial health benefits so far. But I think when I do go down to 6:1 (still on 4:3 here) which I will do fairly soon now , ill probably make my fast day a totally veggie day,or possibly en eva 24 hr non eating period for the health benefits. Right now I must say I'm enjoying the weight loss! ....
Yes Cyclistist - my doctor was wise enough not to start me on meds at the first sign of elevated BP. Hoping it will stay down till my follow-up visit in six weeks. Though I have a long way to go with a BMI of 29.1 (came down with this WOL from 31.5), the health benefits alone make it worth it! Thank you all for keeping us all chugging along
Louboo Have a look at the recipe thread
Loads of low calorie recipes for you to choose from.
Yes I think that journalist should have read our recipe thread too. Half an apple for lunch doesn't compare to my lovely carrot and corriader soup, and one slice of chicken with a few sprouts (who puts sprouts into chicken salad anyway?) cannot come close to a vegatable chilli.
I have surprised myself by enjoying my fast day meals. I am a carb loving meat eater, yet on fast days I eat no carb vegan food and enjoy it. My vitamin intake is through the roof, last time I logged my fast day meals I had over 200% of my vitamin C intake and over 400% of my vitamin A intake for the day, even though I only ate 400 cals.
Should read low carb, I'm sure someone will point out that there are SOME carbs in vegetables!
Evening Laska yeah each to their own whilst we're finding out more about what works with this for either weightloss or health gains. I've tended to avoid protein because some of the studies have 'suggested' ADF works best with lower levels of it, and to be honest I have a strong aversion to those low caaaarb high protein diets all the rage for the past couple of decades (personal prejudices coming out here )
But this way of eating's still in it's infancy so who knows what they'll turn up and at least protein makes you feel fuller quicker, which helps a lot on 500 0r 600 cals a day
Is there any protein in chilli sauce?
Hi all, some brill posts since I was on here last; this continues to be such a positive thread, so inspiring.
Well, my Dad had the all clear on Wednesday - such a relief. Still needs to be monitored but with a psa score gone from 13 (hugely high) to .5 (no cancer remaining) in 3 months, no radiotherapy needed. Interestingly, he radically changed his diet in that time, no wheat, dairy, red meat, occasional organic chicken, green smoothies with powdered greens and powdered apricot kernels every day, huge doses vit c and mainly fruit and veg. Not really overweight but lost nearly a stone, has come off his bp meds, and has the smoothest ridge free nails he's ever had in his life. . He says he is convinced this is why he has had such a radical turnaround and will continue eating lilke this now, about 80/20, so 20% of the time will have the 'banned' things but most of the time keep it up.
So, all of this was Wednesday, had a bit of a meltdown on Thursday, couldn't stop crying felt huge despair. But this is typical me, hold things together while it's all happening then fall apart when all is well!!!
However, have now really got my head back into proper 5:2 gear, so am doing my second fast today. Nothing till just now, jacket spud, with 2 lf cheese triangles melted into some dry fried mushrooms and mixed in and a huge salad. Yum. Silly journo's!!!!!
My Mum has been doing this for 5 weeks now with brill results after being a failed and yoyo dieter all her life, and a couple of my friends who were just reflecting on their age and taking a bit more care of their health watched the prog on thursday at my suggestion and are starting Mond/Wed fasting tomorrow! So, gotta pull my socks up and be proving it a fab wol with them.
Thanks again for all the support on here, couldn't do it without you guys.
That's great news sbbc. Hope you enjoy the next fast day...
So pleased to read the Times story - I have never been with the zeitgeist before! Even my mum thinks this WOE sounds sensible and she is normally v sniffy about any 'faddy' eating....
Haven't lost any weight this week but feel ok about this from reading other people's posts - looking forward to tomorrow's fast day as have homemade soup to look forward to at lunchtime yum!
Like the simple rules too MOB....
Just wanted to quickly post that just as I started to moan about losing zilch by some miracle I actually lost 1lb. Am delighted and hoping its all downhill now and not a case of 1 lb lost every 8 weeks!! Had a good fast day today. Lasagna tomorrow!
sbbc that's really good news, pleased for you. BTW, as a fellow Father Ted fan, myDS downloaded a "soundboard" onto my phone, and I have just changed my ringtone from "gobshite" to something slightly more acceptable for work
sorry to post off-topic.
Just posted the Times link on the Tips and Links thread - plus some musings of mine - and the 'Eat cake for breakfast to lose weight' WOE from the Telegraph.
Just had a re-read of the cake article and couldn't resist this pearl of wisdom:
"She (Prof Daniela Jacubowicz of Tel Aviv University) said one of the biggest challenges that people face is keeping weight off in the long-term. Ingesting a higher proportion of our daily calories at breakfast makes sense.
It's not only good for body function but it also alleviates cravings."
The medical profession are certainly going to have to do a lot of re-thinking before long!
The medical profession is...
sbbc that's great news about your dad!
Officially on the wagon again tomorrow - back to 4:3 til Christmas!
Hi all! Weighed in this morning after a week of half hearted ADF, although really I skipped a fast, and my fast days weren't strict (Indian takeaway for tea on one of them for instance! ).
However I have lost a pound and a half!
I have it clear in my mind now what I'm doing, so hope to do better this week. I will strictly do ADF for now, til I drop a further 5lbs and get into normal BMI territory. Then I would like to lose more, but don't mind doing it slowly so will reduce the fast days to 5:2 or even 6:1 and see how I go. I have decided to keep Mondays consistent for weigh in day and stay away from the scales in between!
I am also going to try sticking to fruit teas and water til dinner on fast days - I was previously having white tea and coffee but have decided they use up vital calories for dinner!
Fast day today! Hope you are all looking forward to a good week.
Laska i am not a massive consumer of protein but when i first started this woe i was eating much more protein than i am now. Firstly because i have done Atkins in the past and i know protein cant be converted into fat and also because it filled me. My initial fat loss was very quick although i wasn't weighing myself then. I would say the fat loss has definitely slowed down but i cant say that's because of the protein or not. If i have no weight loss this week i am going to up my protein again and just see if it makes any difference. I am generally trying to mix it up anyway so my body doesn't get too used any one thing .
Someone asked on the previous page how long i had been doing this and i cant remember but i think between 6-8 weeks, i didn't make a big thing of it as i didn't expect it to work or that i would be able to stick with it, but here i am . I seem to remember Yahoo running a story on it and i started on it around that time.
Today's nice little motivator was when applying my moisturiser i notice that my face now has much more definition and i can feel the shape of my cheek bones etc and it feels good.
Morning all, first fast day of the week here and ready for it! Dropped another 1lb last week bringing my total loss to 13lbs. I think this WOE and regular trips to the gym are doing the trick and I hope to lose another 7lbs by Christmas...
Really pleased to hear about your dad sexbombbikerchick...
Re the protein discussion, I struggle to think of a meal as a meal without some kind of protein. But this is changing, I've never enjoyed veggies so much before.
Tonight's meal is going to be chilli chicken stir fry, and I'm going to make some carrot and coriander soup for the freezer. I hope I'll make it through the day without eating at all again, as I did on my last fast. Kids are still off school and keeping me busy, so should work.
Right, I have a nappy to change (not mine!!)
Fast day for me and the beginning of a 'being good!' week.
I ate my weight in doughnuts yesterday because I knew this day was coming.
Probably not the best start.
Today's fast day is going to be hard as well, Im going to have to get all my will power together today.
On the plus side Im having to stay at a bnb tonight with the kids so I'll take my dinner and there'll be no temptation of food there like there is at home so that'll help.
C'mon Ducks you can do it!!
Right , I'm going to try for 24 hours .. am 17 in so far.. ... I think the key is to try and forget I'm doing it .. luckily have busy day ahead.
LOL about the cake at breakfast Bread and Wine.. I was thinking this morning as I showered my new thinner self ( sorry if too much info there) and thought about the diet industries obsession with 'starvation modes' ..
Its just been amazing to me that i've simply never thought about taking a food break every so often before.. Why didn't I do that?. Oh yes. because the food industry told me I should eat 'little and often' - or lot and often in mine and many other peoples case! (oops coming on all B Dr John Briffa again!)
I also remembered an old house-share mate I had when I was in my 20s , he always fasted on Mondays.. and we all thought he was bonkers.. I might look him up and see if he's on facebook ( oh, but im not!) and see if he's still slim. I bet he is..
So if you did 24 hours, you'd have dinner at say, 5pm then be able to have a big dinner at 5pm the next day?
Do you just drink a lot during the 24 hours?
See Id love love to try that but I dont think it would be good for bf, Id worry it would effect it.
Hi ducks , theres been a lot of chat about this inthe last few days,.. but all im doing is trying t extend my fast from 16 hrs to 24, as its supposed to give the better health benefits ..
So yestrday I ate my 500 cals (in 2 meals becayuse thats what ive been doing,) and yes last was 5pm.. so im planning to eat again about 5pm today.. but not going to be silly, if i feel carp later ill eat ..
This is more about the the puported health benefits now because ive lost 14 lbs on this alreadyand now 10 7 ( your highest weight for years wasnt it? but my lowest!! lol!) . So im not too worried now about weight loss as at 5'6 (and a bit older) thats ok for me I think ..
HI all, come on Ducks, you CAN do it. Yay!!!!!!! I am one happy sexbomb - I managed 2 fasts last week for the first time in a month. and it wasn't hard, and I'm doing it again tomorrow.
although I've been messing around alot with the actual 36 hours on 500 cals twice a week thing whilst my Dad has been poorly, etc, i have experimented a lot with total fasting, regularly doing 16-20 hours, longest I managed was 22. So although my weight loss hasn't been as fast as I would like I still feel as though perhaps I have had the health bens.
Anyway, off to gym now (well letting the chux out first), then taking ds to his sign language class.
Oh, and this time in 4 weeks I will be waking up on my first morning in Lanzarote, did I mention it's 77 degrees there this morning? Heheheheheh
Oh and well done Laska you are a real inspiration
Great Laska! 14lb thats amazing!!!
And thank you Sexbomb.
Morning all, was supposed to be a fast day today....I baked at the weekend twice, carrot cupcakes with cream cheese frosting for a Fireworks party on sat, home made lime curd, and then almond cake yesterday, that i ate way too many slices of, i brought the rest into work all happy that it's a fast day, and then remembered that it is a work pizza and cake lunch, now trying to decide whether to stick to fast, or swap til tomorrow, may wait and look at the pizza and cake before I decide!
But overall i prefer to swap days around for friends and family - out of work socialising, rather than just joning in for the sake of it.....hhmmm
lovely weekend this weekend, had a great day off with the kids on friday, and enjoyed a kids portion of fish and chips and mushy peas out with them and some friends on friday, dinner with the same friends that night for a delicious home made vindaloo and stir fried cavolo nero (really delicious tuscan cabbage), a day of housework and baking sat and following firework party with the children and then yesterday we had brunch with friends follwoed by an afternoon of play doh, baking, more tidying and sorted (I do seem to have more energy for getting on with chores that I will usually avoid at all costs - although my youngest starting school and me having 2 days off a week probably helps too!)
anyway, feeling annoyed about fridays weigh in gain, but not too disheartened, i've bene here before and it usually balances back out again, I just need to think positively and aim to get back on track for this Friday.
well done to apples for weighing in, similarly to something laska said your starting weight is close to my target weight! amusing but good that we are all so different in our targets.
try to stick with it.
I make my kids packed lunch each morning and normally pick as I go.
No longer on fast days!
Target is another five pounds by the end of term - then I'll try to maintain with 6:1
or maybe relaxed 5:2 to keep DH company as he has more to lose than I did.
I saw the Times magazine this morning and the chap following the diet fell for the "the 2,500 calories I'm allowed" line
That figure dates back to manual workers after World War Two.
I'm 5'5" - my basic calories allowance IS NOT 2000 per day, its 1700
NO WONDER people put on weight ....
so I just resisted the pizza and cake lunch at work, feeling very proud of myself, even stayed sitting in the dining room, with the smell of 20 domino's pizza's wafting around while I ate my very delicious (and luckily strong tasting) broccoli and stilton soup, if there had been amazing cake I might have faltered but it was supemarket cakes and that just doesn't do it for me!
now I feel back in control, all good.
Ive always found 2000 calories a hell of a lot if, like me, you dont do exercise every day.
24hr update .. so far i'm fine on water tea and coffee and went out for a lunchtime walk.. but really starting to look forward to breaking my fast now..
Nice piece of salmon waiting for me at home.. Think ill have it Wagamama style with rice noodles and veggies and yes.... chilli! ..
I mustn't go home too early though the temptation might be to great ....
I made £175 selling (too big) clothes on ebay this weekend ... Hooray! can buy some more!! i've got my eye on a lovely Coast dress.. wouldnt usually be the sort of thing I'd wear but ...might surprise the old man.. ..
Wowzers Laska, money, weight loss, amazing dinner to look forward to. You must be one happy lady today!!
Im struggling right now, its 2.23pm and Im SO hungry. I knew this fast day would be hard as Ive barely managed 1 fast day a week this last month, Ive been eating loads on the other days but mainly, I think its my punishment for eating
4 2 doughnuts in a row yesterday.
Im still smiling though, I know after today it'll get easier.
Im looking forward to a crisp sandwich tomorrow lunch time.
That looks as though I said I ate 42 doughnuts in a row! Goodness can you imagine?! <boak>
Fast day today, so far just coffee and tea, have homemade soup planned for dinner.
I should eat something soonish or (from past experience) I'll start to feel weird.
Hello everyone! Lovely sunny day here in the middle of nowhere, east mids. Inlaws are off back to Germany and I'm back in control of the food in the house. I did manage a fast day on the last day, thanks to a clever carrot soup I made for supper, so I think I'm good. I haven't weighed myself yet- I did last week and for the first time, I hadn't lost any weight. I'm still keeping with it, though, as we all know it could be anything.
I've got a fast day today, and I'm having a cup of coffee as I enjoy a bit of quiet here.
42 donuts Not even I could manage that, Ducks. I do like a nice donut. It's just as well that no place around here can manage to make one. We're so far off the radar we can't even manage to have one of those Krispy Kreme cabinets at a local Tesco. (Thank bob for small favours!) Anyway, just stay focused, have another cup of tea and find something to keep yourself occupied. You'll feel better for having made it through the day, and remember, tomorrow you can have that pizza with cake and Rolos on top.
I kid, I keed. mostly.
Laska!! Well done! Now you've got money to buy new clothes! I really ought to go through my own wardrobe, but I've never sold on Ebay. hm.
mumofcrazy (I really like shortening your name to that) good job passing up the pizza and cake. Office life is tough on this sort of thing.
sbbc I'm so glad to hear about your father! Big un-MNetty hugs for you and your family.
lol ducks that's what I thought you said !!
working from home today - fast day - not a good combination. Instead of making a hearty warming earthy soup to last me through the day - I made a japanesey seaweed, glue noodley, hot and sour batch. It's not hitting the spot like root veg would have
Still - I can honestly say that after a bowl full I don't have genuine stomach hunger but my mouth isn't satisfied at all - will just try to live with it for a few hours.
Greetings all. Some updates to share from my 5:2 experience which I do primarily for health benefits rather than weight loss. I recently had a blood test to see if 5:2ing has had any benefits. Prior to the test Id been 5:2ing for 8 weeks, for the first 6 weeks was doing 600kc on fast days split over dinner and bfast, and for the last 2 weeks was doing 24hr fasts on my fast days (bfast to bfast I cant skip bfast and fully concur with the Israeli prof on B&Ws latest link). In conjunction with the IF I also do a good level of exercise swi