5:2 Diet Thread: Part Five! Top of the Mornin' to you!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 07-Oct-12 17:53:33

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon a month or two ago, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but we've filled several threads by now. Please share if you find something particularly useful, and we'll add it for the next thread.

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one.

Another thread which breadandwine has just started can be found here. We'll be trying to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

Here is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. We tend to favour lots of hot drinks during the day (count your milk if you use it!)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We often mention basal metabolic rate (BMR) here. This refers to the amount of energy (calories) a person uses when at rest; so, the basic number of calories a person needs to stay the same weight. This number is often quoted as being 2000 calories for the "average" woman, but of course is different depending on how tall you are, how much you weigh, etc. Here is a calculator which will easily help you to find out what your BMR is.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon. wink

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

Laska42 Sun 07-Oct-12 18:03:17

Whoo I might be first to post!! ??...

reposting my last one on the old thread ..have added my yummy soup recipe to the food thread now also
Hello again fast day here, but i've stuck at 10st 9 now for three days so I'm owning it! (the scales even briefly showed 10.8 one daysmile). So that makes 11 lbs down now . I think I'm just starting week 7 but cant quite remember...
have made great soup that I'm scoffing as I type. Carrot lentil tomato red pepper and with rosemary thyme and chilli .. Wow its fab (though I may have put in a tad too much chilli and that's saying something for me !grin) .. its on the recipe board now..

Thanks greeneggs for this new threadthanksthanks.. I cant believe how fast we've rattled through the last one!

scattergun Sun 07-Oct-12 18:10:13

A positive start to the new thread. Dh and I both within 4-5 lbs of target weight and feeling rather pleased with ourselves. Been married almost 10 years and for the first time we'll both be back at wedding weight. And we're both definitely up for doing this as a long-term way of eating.

I've never been on one of these weight-loss/health threads with any success before. Now it's my number one support place so thanks all.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 07-Oct-12 18:19:25

Wow that's great news, both of you!

I lost a smaller amount than usual this week but I'm not surprised- last week was my birthday and more cake than usual. smile I'm making soup for dinner here (not a fast day either, just happen to like soup!). I'll definitely check out your lentil soup Laska, I do like lentil soups.

frenchfancy Sun 07-Oct-12 18:56:51

Well done Laska and scattergun (and Mr Scattergun).

I decided against pie this evening, went for an italian beef stew instead with mixed veg mash. It was lovely. Still had the Bread and butter pudding though smile

Whole meal came in at 300 cals less than one slice of pie.

We have guests arriving tommorow staying til Wednesday so I don't know when I will manage my next fast day. I'm not sure what time they are arriving, so I think I will start tomorrow as a fast and see how it goes.

catsrus Sun 07-Oct-12 19:04:42

I'm here too, marking my place grin

Thelittlestranger Sun 07-Oct-12 19:11:59

Well done on your meal choice frernchfancy...over here and I've just opted for pizza. It's the first takeaway one in 3 weeks (quite a record here!) and I'm hungover so almost drooling for it. No doubt I'll feel stuffed after it and looking forward to fasting tomorrow even more!!

Aftereightsaremine Sun 07-Oct-12 19:18:16

Thanks green. Don't think I'll lose anything this week(official weigh in tomorrow), but I'll carry on anyway.

TellMeLater Sun 07-Oct-12 19:31:02

Marking my place, not expecting any loss this week - fell into a mound of sugary things on Friday night, shameful really but have put it behind me. Fasting tomorrow.

Well done Laska and the Scatterguns, fingers crossed there will be more to follow.

Supervixen80 Sun 07-Oct-12 19:36:50

Just marking my place and also announcing my official first fast day starting tomorrow! Will weigh in tomorrow and then plan to stay busy and out of the house as much as possible to keep my mind off food. I have prepared some boiled eggs, chicken and have a carton of carrot soup ready for munching. Will aim for 600-700 calls as I am bf my 8 wk old dd.
I hope to never be this weight ever again! Here's to being a big loser over the next few months.
A big thanks to you all for the inspiration and I am sure your support will keep me on the straight and narrow.
On another note, does anyone here suffer from under active thyroid? I was diagnosed during my pregnancy and I am still on thyroxine now but not sure my dose is right yet as i stiill fell quite symptomatic. How have you found dieting/losing weight? Has it been harder?

Ok so I watched Horizon and have read a bit as well. I think I'm ready to begin. One question I do have to ask you. What is an average weekly weight loss per week? I have 3 stone to lose and this really feels like something I can sustain but I don't want to be disappointed and give up.

hoops997 Sun 07-Oct-12 19:57:08

Marking my place and going to finish a feast day with a bar of galaxy grin

As this is a WOE not a diet I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt, I eat properly on eat days as I'm fasting every other day.

Thanks for keeping the thread going green thanks

Trills Sun 07-Oct-12 20:02:37

Fab first post. smile

Trills Sun 07-Oct-12 20:07:29

You may have misrepresented BMR. BMR is how many calories you would need to stay the same weight if you were in a coma, doing no moving whatsoever. Nobody suggests that 2000 is the average BMR, 2000 calories as found on food packets etc is the assumed average calories consumed including an average amount of moving about.

Aftereightsaremine Sun 07-Oct-12 20:08:16

Hi inga, I've got 6 stone to lose & am losing on average 1-2lbs a week. I'm doing 4:3, but its working well for me & I've been doing this since the beginning of August. Good luck.

Sputnik Sun 07-Oct-12 20:30:16

Inga I've been at this 7 or 8 weeks and lost 6.5 kgs. It's been pretty variable though, my scales stuck for a couple of weeks at one point, even though clothes were still getting looser.
Good luck all of you starting tomorrow, it can be tough at first but does get easier.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 07-Oct-12 20:51:26

I might have erred on the side of caution with my description of BMR, but I think it's still the layperson's definition of it. Some sites describe it as the calories you'd spend if you stayed in bed all day. smile I think that's fairly accurate.

I don't actually think anyone is eating their BMR calories on their eating days. However, a few posters have referred to BMR as a general guideline for figuring out what we're meant to be eating on an average day. There is a link on that BMR link which takes you to a further calculator which will help you sort out how many more calories you could be eating if you're lightly/moderately/very active.

This is all just to get people thinking about how many calories a body really needs. I don't count calories on my eating days. If someone were coming here, maybe with some excessive eating habits, I think it's good for them to see what they ought to be eating.

AS WELL: it's just as important for those who are so conditioned to WW, SW and other low-calorie diets that they know what they ought to be eating on a normal day, rather than trying to eat low calorie on those days as well. Eating low calorie on a non-fast day, then fasting the next, isn't recommended.

I agree, my description of BMR could probably be more medically correct. If you've got an idea for a new wording of that statement in the OP, let us know here and I'll change it with the next one (or if someone else does the thread, they can change it!) thanks

awaywego1 Sun 07-Oct-12 20:54:25

Hello new thread waves
Just having a crunchie to finish of my feast day. Weigh in and fast tommorow.
I didn't lose anything last week (which was my first fast week) but know I am feeling slimmer so am not going to get too hung up in the numbers.
See you in the morrow.

Diggerstreets Sun 07-Oct-12 21:00:33

Hi everyone, I've been stalking the previous threads for weeks now, and now I'm just going to go for it. I'll fast on Tuesday and Fridays probably. But I'm really looking forward to a new way of eating. I'm sick of not feeling in control of what I put in my mouth when I used to be able to that so well. It's time for a change. Hoping you ladies will continue to inspire me! smile

claretandamberforever Sun 07-Oct-12 21:20:38

I've had a bigger than normal portion of evening meal tonight and feel really bloated, it's awful. I can't believe I used to go to bed feeling like this every night previously to starting this WOE

TalkinPeace2 Sun 07-Oct-12 21:24:14

Woke up not hungry this morning so we all skipped breakfast and then had lots of room for yummy roast beef with all the trimmings and not too much booze!
Looking forward to fast day tomorrow.

love needing a belt on previously too tight jeans!

Trills Sun 07-Oct-12 21:37:46

If you sat in bed all day watching TV (rather than in a coma) you'd still use more than your BMR. No matter how sedentary your lifestyle, it's not that sedentary! smile

I agree that it's useful as a minimum you-should-eat-at-least-this-much-when-you-are-eating if you are used to low calories diets. There are some who say that if you are doing a diet of eat-the-same-every-day you should not eat below your BMR as that will put your body into starvation mode. (long term low-calories being different to 2-days-a-week sharp shocks)

I realise I've written a lot of this post like-this-all-joined-together, I'm not sure why. grin

mistlethrush Sun 07-Oct-12 21:45:04

Evening... Week three starts tomorrow for me...

Trills Sun 07-Oct-12 21:46:40

Am I really "doing it wrong" if I eat my not-very-much-food spread out on my fast days rather than all at once in the middle?

TalkinPeace2 Sun 07-Oct-12 21:51:23

trills
no, but you'll find it much harder
the chaps on thread 4 have commented that the later in the day you can START eating, the easier it is to keep to the 500 calories

Trills Sun 07-Oct-12 21:53:14

I agree with that one - but can I have soup at lunchtime and something (more soup) later on? Or should I eat everything at lunchtime?

TalkinPeace2 Sun 07-Oct-12 21:54:27

I don't. I have coffee and fruit for lunch and then a nice supper.
BUT
everybody's metabolism is different - try options and see what works
you have 20 years to get it right!

rachelblythe Sun 07-Oct-12 22:15:26

I have a day away and we are onto a fab new thread, thanks as always Greeneggs.
Been an eating weekend for me, ready for a fast tomorrow. Not had any weight loss again this week. Lost 12lb in total over 8 weeks, but 10lb was lost in the first three weeks. Still happy to eat how i am on non fast days and not put weight on, as i in the bottom end of the normal bmi now anyway.

ManOnBoard Sun 07-Oct-12 22:29:12

Hello Trills. There are so many variables to calculating the number of calories that you burn, for example a 7st person who is bedbound would use 1000+ cals whereas a 14st person would burn 2000+ and with perhaps 2 hours slow paced walking this would increase by 2-300. It is highly improbable that any single person used the exact same calories on 2 consecutive days so 2000 is a reasonable average.

The weight loss, in my case, seems to have been as a result of a reduction of the total calories/exercise as has always been the rule but it is my overall attitude to food that seems to have altered, which I began to notice from about week 4/5 of this WOE.

Just eat like you normally would the day before a fast, limit yourself to 500cals on your fast day however you want to have it 1x500, 2x250, 3x167 etc and the day after revert back to nornal. It is the simplicity and limited days of denial that make this WOE so easy to follow.

Trills Sun 07-Oct-12 22:32:55

Thank you smile

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Mon 08-Oct-12 00:08:37

christ I have eaten for England in the last 24hours, and have a spontaneous BBQ this afternoon. Thank god for a fast day tomorrow

The BMR index is odd - I can't believe that I would use up 1995kcals being on bedrest! Personally trying to keep within 2000kcals on feast days but also not calorie counting - eg had a mimosa brunch today, BOTTOMLESS mimosas. Bugger....prob used up 2000kcals just on booze! Getting stricter again from tomorrow, which will be easier once my mum arrives and keeps my dad in check.

Thanks for the new thread GreenEggs

ThinkICan Mon 08-Oct-12 01:43:07

Hi supervixen. Another person on thyroid meds here. This WOE really works for us too! Lost around 10 lb in just over a month. Be a happy loser and join the gang!

AGeeksWife Mon 08-Oct-12 06:58:12

First weigh in- lost 4.2lbs this week! I have a lot to lose so its fab, and I have eaten a lot on feed days, was convinced I was going to stay the same! Yay!

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 07:01:55

I did end up having subway, but that was all I ate yesterday. It's a feast day today, but I haven't bothered with breakfast as I'm not particularly hungry. Not sure what to do about lunch as I was planning on going for subway again. Not really many options for healthy lunches at my work (I always thought subway was healthy confused) and no time to make my lunches in the morning before work.... sad

Trills Mon 08-Oct-12 08:13:02

I think Subway is one of those places that trades on its "healthy" name, but of the thousands of possible combinations of things you could order only a few of them actually are.

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 08:20:45

On my WW it gives you the healthier combos, so I always go for one of them. Yesterday was roast chicken on whole wheat with veg and little bit of lite mayo. Which according to myfitnesspal came to 472 calories (that was with cheese though, I didn't get cheese).

Debating pasta for lunch, as we have a pasta station at work, but I always worry about pasta....

LookBehindYou Mon 08-Oct-12 08:36:07

Can you have pasta with salad cracker? The amount of pasta you're supposed to eat is miniscule! I've been over eating it for years.

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 08:37:18

No. There are no salad options. My other option is rice and Arabic salads which are loaded with oils and greasy chicken.

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 08:38:05

I'm using the term salad loosely with Arabic "salads" can't think of what else to call them.

ThinkICan Mon 08-Oct-12 08:40:10

Read this in livestrong.com: Your diet should primarily consist of whole-food sources like meats, veggies, fruits and nuts. However, research published in the Journal of Nutrition found those who consume whey-protein shakes lost almost twice as much fat as those who didn’t have the shakes. Does anyone have info on this?

LookBehindYou Mon 08-Oct-12 08:42:21

Then could you switch your meals around? Have pasta or the rice dish for lunch and a salad or soup - something like that, for dinner?

Aftereightsaremine Mon 08-Oct-12 08:42:28

Well weighed in & as suspected no weight loss this week, BUT more importantly no weight gain. Have had lunch out 3 times this week & friends for dinner on Saturday so am thrilled to have stayed the same. Although as most of you know I have a lot to lose but I view this as a life long eating pattern rather than just losing weight. Anyway fast day today & stuck home all day waiting for oven man. Will be a challenge to stay away from biscuit tin!

LookBehindYou Mon 08-Oct-12 08:46:29

think whey protein helps preserve your lean muscle when you exercise. So you lose fat while your metabolism increases. I think people use it also for 'healthy snacking'. You'd have to really watch your other protein intake though to make sure you weren't having too much.

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 08:47:05

I promised DH curry tonight for dinner. confused

I guess I could just limit my portions. No more than a cup of pasta and a cup of rice tonight for dinner.

Here I am on my first fast day and I have another question already. I had caffetiere coffee with ss milk and a sweetener this morning. I can't find the calories on mfp, can anyone help? I think almost all the calories are in the milk is that right? If so I can easily cut out the milk.

LookBehindYou Mon 08-Oct-12 08:59:15

It's a food day though I've just seen cracker. So enjoy!

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 09:07:02

It is, but I still don't want to overeat. Although it's lunch time and I'm only a bit peckish.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Oct-12 09:20:18

MsInga If it's coffee, sweetener, and milk, almost all of the calories are in the milk. So measure your milk and figure out the calories for the milk.

(I tend to just allot x number of calories to milk in hot drinks for a day, I overestimate and say 100, though I think I probably only use half that.)

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Oct-12 09:26:54

Cracker I think Subway is "healthy" in the sense of, when it's compared to its more traditional, fried fast food neighbours, it's often the healthier option. You do need to keep an eye on the sauces, etc, and of course it can fluctuate with how heavy-handed the person is making the sandwich.

It's a learning process, once you've done a few fast days, you'll figure out what you can eat on those days, and you'll have a reduced appetite on the other days as well. Don't get disheartened. smile

Where are you? Egypt?

Mintyy Mon 08-Oct-12 09:27:13

Fast day here and marking place on shiny new thread.

Alaska77 Mon 08-Oct-12 09:27:34

Thanks for the new thread GreenEggs. Just marking my place here as I love to read everyone's progress.

Still going well for me on week 5. Doing 5:2 some weeks and 4:3 others depending on what I've got on. Clothes continuing to feel looser but I made the foray into the 'slim' part of my wardrobe over the weekend and was disappointed to find everything's still more than a tad tight. I must have started off heavier than I realised! Oh well, this WOE isn't just about the weight loss and it's early days. I can feel the benefits in my skin, energy levels and also I sleep much better too. Weirdly, in the first week my hair fell out so much! Don't know if that's got anything to do with diet but it was a bit alarming. Never suffered before! It stopped after about a week so maybe it was my body adjusting.

Feed day for me today but holding out to decide what I really want to eat. Just a banana so far.

Good luck today feasters and losers x

Reading through for some inspiration - feeling really disheartened as I'm starting week 4 and have managed to PUT ON weight... I know it's not about the weight loss, I do know, but hearing everyone else's stories I would have expected at least a lb or two! Come tell me I'm being silly and make me stick to it...

Thanks Greeneggs smile

Now to work out what to have for my meal later.

Supervixen80 Mon 08-Oct-12 09:43:23

Thanks ThinkICan and congrats on your loss! 10lb is amazing in a month, I would be very chuffed if I can achieve that. It's good to hear that you lost even on thyroid meds as everything I read about losing weight when you have an under active thyroid is so disheartening.
After a busy night with my dd thinking it was all-you-can-eat night, I am pretty tired today. But so far so good, only water has passed my lips! And we are just off to playgroup so will be strong and resist the biscuits and settle for my black coffee. Oh, and weight today is 11st6lbs. Boo.
Good luck to all the newbies today! X

Sputnik Mon 08-Oct-12 09:54:17

Littlemiss, sorry to hear you've not lost weight. Some people here with low BMIs have not lost weight either, might that be why? Or if you are exercising more perhaps you have added muscle? Otherwise try logging what you eat on non fast days on fitday or myfitnesspal just to check you're not eating more than you thought, remember to drink plenty of water.

MikeOxard Mon 08-Oct-12 09:56:11

End of week 8 weigh in. No weight loss this week. No surprise there, I did 3 fast days this week, but the other 4 days were big pig outs with over 2000 calories (I maintain my weight at about 1300 cals!). Going to stop being such a knob about food this week as I want to lose the rest of this weight quite quickly so I don't feel 'on a diet' anymore. I want to get to the stage where I'm happy just to maintain, which I think will be in about 1stone.

Stick with it littlemisstan. You wont lose by giving up that's for sure! Xx

Mintyy Mon 08-Oct-12 09:58:43

Also, littlemissstan, its very important to remember that you could be eating too little overall and your body might have gone into starvation mode. What are your stats?

awaywego1 Mon 08-Oct-12 10:04:04

Weigh in today-have lost 3 pounds in 2 weeks. I'm now 9.7 and top end of healthy bmi. Would be really happy if I continued to lose a pound a week but weight loss always seems exceptionally slow for me.

Fast day am on coffee %232 like greeneggs I allocate a 100cals a day to tea and coffee-which is about right as I drink a lot of it-but with skimmed milk.

Ham salad for lunch, Hm soup for tea and a bit of fruit salad.
Happy fasting everyone!

CrackerJackShack Mon 08-Oct-12 10:39:11

Greeneggs I'm in the UAE. The fattest country on the planet! Which isn't hard to believe given the complete lack of healthy food options. Just went to the grocery store and was shocked to find fat free yogurts. Bought a bunch of them! LOL

Sputnik I am far from having a low BMI, but your suggestion did at least put a smile on my face smile I am 5'6", started out at about 12 st 6 and this morning was 12 st 8...
Drinking lots of water so I don't think it's that... I am tending to have nothing in the morning on a fast day, then soup and a couple of crackerbread at work in the afternoon, and small portion of pasta or WW ready meal when I get home, with an apple or carrot in between if I'm desperate.
Mintyy I have been trying to stay below 2,000 cals on an eating day, as I found that if I don;t I do go mental and eat all the food possible...
Thanks all for your help!

I'm in. I've had my first fast week but the other thread was a bit big and scary, at least I'm in early on this one!

I lost 2.4 pounds my first week and that was 2 fasts and not counting calories the other days. I plan on being a bit more organised this week.

I was surprised how easy it actually was. I thought I'd be ravenous but I wasn't. I also thought I'd eat loads more on my eating days but my appetite seems to have shrunk. I did have a pig out Saturday (pot olives, 1/2 bag kettle crisps, pizza and nachos) but I've decided to give up alcohol for the month so at least no wine.

My only exercise at the moment is walking the puppy (bout 45 mins a day) but I might add shred soon/next month.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Oct-12 11:08:12

Welcome to the thread, Helga! We're not scary, but I know trying to come in on a long thread on MN can feel daunting. smile

I tend to just push myself to keep up with my fast days, regardless of what I might have eaten (or over-eaten) on eating days. I do still lose weight, just some weeks I lose more than others, obviously! It's why we keep trying to stress that it's a way of eating, rather than a temporary diet; it can fit around anything. I love it.

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:12:30

eating today smile Well, yesterdays fast was about the easiest yet.. I do usually have breakfast and dinner but that's how it works for me especially as I feel nausea after drinking a couple of cups of tea on an empty stomach - Also, I'm definitely a 'morning' person so I think trills that you need to try it out and see what works best for you.

As for BMR its really just a guide .. we've had several new people here asking about what you should eat on eating days , and we now seem to be in agreement that the idea is not to go mad and eat tons , because you are aiming for an overall deficit over the week. .

Greeneggs .. I think this eating day issue is still worrying new comers ..and quite understandably given what we've all been told about the 'correct' way to diet in the past ..Just a suggestion, but on the next thread how about adding a sentence to the BMR section above that says something like this?

..'and after working your BMR out there is a calculator on the next (link?) page to work out your approximate base daily needs based on your activity levels... This way of eating is largely untested, but the consensus of those who have been doing this and seeing good results, suggests that this second daily needs figure is a good approximate guideline of the amount not to fall below on an eating day.

Most of us however,would recommend eating more than the base daily needs amount and do not count calories at all on an eating day, but we also feel that it is sensible not to overeat to replace the calories 'lost' on a fast day, as we are aiming for a total calorie reduction over the week . People are still reporting good losses (and good potential health benefits) here by not calorie counting at all on eating days.

Mintyy Mon 08-Oct-12 11:13:08

Oh dear, littlemissstan, I don't know what to suggest. Are you premenstrual? That can easily put 4 or 5lb on me. I'd suggest carrying on for another week or two t least, the scales might suddenly shift or something.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Mon 08-Oct-12 11:18:14

I think I need to cut back on my drinking. Definitely undoing any good work sad

trills there is no wrong, we're all different, michael moseley did breakfast and dinner, I started doing brunch and dinner, sometimes even 3 small snacks throughout, but as time goes on, this is the start of week 10 for me, I tend to skip breakfast and go for lunch and dinner, i haven't yet only had one large meal, i think my stomach shrunk tooo much for that.

yesterday I was seriously hungover, a very late friends b'day til 5am, slept in til 11, then the day spent on the sofa, felt hugely guilty for such a waste of my child free day, but I guess it was my birthday week and it's ok to have a blowout every now and then.

eating today, but so far just a chocolate covered macadamia nut that a colleague brought back from california and a satsuma, brought a yugurt, apple and banana for breakfast, but still not feeling hungry, so just going with it. fasting tomorow and hoping to see some weight loss by Friday.

littlemissstan your stats are very similar to mine, I'm also 5'6" and starting weight was 12 8, I lost 4 pounds in first 2 weeks but then gained 3 back over next 2 weeks, I stopped stressing about it and stopped weighing myself and weighed again after 8 weeks and then I had lost 8 pounds, (gained back after b'day week last week....but only 2 pounds) hoping to get back to teh 8 pounds loss by teh end of this week and then finally get under teh 12 stone mark next week. I just think it's a long term plan, that many of us find easier as a WOE than daily worrying about eating, or not worrrying ever and it just permanently creeping up! keep at it, ignore the scales for a couple of weeks if you can, enjoy that you are improving your health indicators and I promise it will start to work!

thanks greeneggs for continuing the thread, it's really appreciated.

insprognito Mon 08-Oct-12 11:38:03

Hi am thinking of joining you ladies as I have managed to gain a stone and a half since January. I had a contraceptive implant put in after havng dd4 and I honestly believe this is the cause. My BMI is still normal but I don't feel comfortable at this weight and would like to drop a stone. I tried WW earlier this year but it was slow progress I lost about a lb a week then nothing for 3weeks and gave up. I work out every other day for an hour but tore my achilees tendon 3 weeks ago and have gained 2lb again already! My question is can this work for me even if I have a healthy BMI?

alaska77 i actually noticed lots of my hair coming out too....do hope that's just coincidence and not the diet, really don't have enough to lose lots!

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Oct-12 11:51:04

Sounds good Laska.

I don't want to dwell too much on BMR, though what you've said is reasonable and I'm happy to include it. (er, not to make it sound like I'd need to be the one starting the next thread, btw, if someone else wants to they're totally welcome to! I only do them because I happen to be around and I think it's nice to have the OP feature the informative links, rather than "hey here's the new thread" grin) I know it worries some people, as you say, so it's good to have it said in the OP.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 08-Oct-12 11:53:38

insprognito there are several people here in healthy BMI range, and it does work for them, albeit slowly. You've no doubt noticed in WW, but bigger people lose more weight because our bodies are working harder to carry around all the weight. I suspect that if we looked at weight loss by percentages, we might all be losing at around the same rate.

It's definitely worth trying. At least it's not costing you money, unlike WW. smile And you'll get loads of support here.

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:54:22

insprognito I hate to say this and worry you but It was after I had the implants that I first put on 2.5 stone after being a normal weight for years (I was just 40 then now 54) . I stopped using this method after a year and went for sterilisation, but its taken me years to lose it all. (not helped by my lifestyle of course..)
There's loads of stuff on the net about contraceptive implants and weight gain.. If you've finished with having kids perhaps you should think again about your method

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:59:10

I think you are right greeneggs I don't think we should dwell on BMR too much either..
Personally, I just don't bother any more with calories -even too much on a fast day - because i eat the same things - eggs and veg or soup..

Breadandwine Mon 08-Oct-12 12:09:02

Had a long day in the car, yesterday, and, since my wife prefers her driving to mine, hmm I thought I'd use the time to trawl through the first thread for anything I could move over to the Tips thread.

I made a rod for my own back, in the end, since, having no internet connection which would enable me to transfer the info direct, I cut and pasted into Word. When I went to put it back in the tips thread, loads of random characters appeared - which only showed when I previewed! angry

Anyway, I got past that hurdle - only to find that, when I posted what was a fairly long message, the address line hung up for ages. So I tried again, same result. At one stage I thought I'd crashed Mumsnet, because I couldn't access the main site! blush

Then I thought I'd divide the message in two and posted those.

In the end, the result is there for all to see - multiple posts! sad

Ah, well! On the plus side I learned a hell of a lot!

Mike Mosley now on 6:1 because he doesn't want to lose any more weight - who knew? Since I'm in the same position, that's what I think I'll do.

There's such a lot of info on that first thread - and I only got about three quarters of the way down!

hoops997 Mon 08-Oct-12 12:09:33

I'm glad a couple of you have said about hair coming out, I've been losing brushfuls a day, thank god it's not just me

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 12:21:08

No problem with hair loss here.... perhaps a vitamin supplement would help? Dr John Briffa recommends fish oils .. (I've been taking them when I remember ..)

I do recommend his his book 'The Diet Trap'.. though is mainly about why the usual diets 'cant' work in his opinion. Was quite fascinating for me being a long (and only partly successful) WW devotee (and he does favour a more low carb method -whereas here there is no consensus as people have been losing with or without carbs ) .

But there is a chapter on IF at the end of his book and he talks more about it on his [[http://www.drbriffa.com/blog/ blog}}

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 12:23:10

sorry ill try that link again
Briffa blog

TalkinPeace2 Mon 08-Oct-12 12:37:50

Weighed myself out of interest this morning.
Same as Friday Morning.
Not bad considering the amount I felt I ate and drank over the weekend.
Will be interesting to see if I can get my BMI down to 21.5 by the end of the week ....

hoops
I got severe alopecia after stopping feeding DS. About 1 in 3 get it .... we just never talk about it !

Aftereightsaremine Mon 08-Oct-12 13:04:21

I've started taking a multi vitamin pill on the days I'm fasting as I'd noticed I was getting more tired than I usually do.

dalek Mon 08-Oct-12 13:05:55

I watched the programme on youtube last night and have been reading some of the threads.

Could I please ask a few questions.

Do you have to fast on the same two days every week?

What if you fall off the wagon for a couple of weeks (Christmas, holidays etc) -does the weight pile back on like with Atkins?

Do you low carb on your fasting days?

Can you really eat whatever (and however much you want) on feeding days?

TIA
x

TalkinPeace2 Mon 08-Oct-12 13:10:30

Dalek
Fast days - nope, whenever fits with what you are doing.

Wagon : not sure yet as most of us only started in the summer, BUT, those losing a lot of weight are finding such a sea change in their attitude to food that chances are the wagon will be hard to fall off - as ALL foods are allowed every week.

Carbs : sort of, mainly because 500 calories of pasta leaves you ravenous after ten minutes!

Non fast days : you do NOT want to know the list of what I ate (and drank) this weekend ....

dalek Mon 08-Oct-12 13:15:04

Thanks talkinpeace2. I am currently doing cambridge (day 5) and I'm bored already. Was thinking to start with I could do cambridge on fast days as that will be just under 500 calories and eat normally on other days.

If I can make it work maybe move to real food on my fasting days as well.

Sounds like you had a fabulous weekend foodwise!

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Just had the amazing carrot, tomato, red pepper and lentil soup. It was delicious and sooooo filling, and I can have another bowl at supper time smile

dalek i don't low carb at all on the non fast days, although in the past I have done atkins and know overall that it works fro me (it wasn't a woe I could carry on all the time and the weight did come back as soon as I stopped) i wouldn't say that you can binge on non fast days, althoughyou can eat what you want, but like talkinpeace said you will probably find that you becaome more aware of what you want to eat on those days. I agree also that it is definitely a WOE and not a diet, so there isn't really any falling off teh wagon, but if you choose to stop fasting and you haven't changed your eating habits from before then in all likelihood you will gain back again. one way or another to maintain weightloss you have to only be eating as many calories as you are expending energy.

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 13:44:57

oh goody..msInga Was that from my recipe? (actually I should have admitted earlier it was Mr Laska who made it first..) Its great isnt it?

Yes Laska, thank you and MrL so much grin

Thelittlestranger Mon 08-Oct-12 13:52:11

Fast day here, and thank goodness. I felt yuck after over eating on pizza last night...only lost 1lb last week, but that makes an overall loss of 10lbs in 5 weeks, so I'm happy with that. This weekend I'm going to attempt to not drink much, as I think this makes a huge difference to me...I tend to have to lose the weekend's weight gain, before I lose 'new' weight...

Anyway, just had carrot soup and have omelette planned for tonight. Planning on fasting today, Wednesday and 24 hour fast on Friday so I can have a nice dinner.

Good luck to the new and old fasters. The best advice is to just do it, and find what works best for you and be flexible. Most fast days now I won't have breakfast or lunch, but today as my oh is home, I had soup with him...

mommybunny Mon 08-Oct-12 14:37:38

Hi all, checking in after a weekend of fairly "normal" eating and drinking. Fasting today with my usual 2 egg omelette and toast, and will have PB on toast later for tea. I know I should fill up more on veggies but I need something I really like to look forward to on my fast days, and I do look forward to my PB toast. I can handle the fasting when I know I have that.

At least DH says he's back on track with me (though had a cheeky banana after lunch, and was a little shocked when I tild him it had 100 calories in it!).

I have to admit I have been feeling a little discouraged, especially as I don't know if I've lost any weight (promised not to weigh myself for a couple more weeks) and my clothes don't feel significantly looser, though sometimes I think my thighs may be a little thinner (maybe just wishful thinking!). I am in the healthy BMI range (though at the top of it) so that may account for the difficulty in shifting it. It has helped though to check in here and see what amazing progress everyone's been making.

Happy fasting and feasting everyone, and thanks as always to greeneggs for keeping the thread going.

captainmummy Mon 08-Oct-12 15:48:10

I low-carb most of the time, but I find on a fast day (like today) I feel i have to go low-cal, as I don't know how many carbs i'd need for the same effect, IYSWIM. I know that I can have 500 cals, but not how many carbs I should eat on a fast day. I try to keep to 20-30g carbs on a normal day.

So it feels strange to have a cup-a-soup, as it has 15g carbs in, tho only 84 cals. I only had half tho, as it was horrible - powdery, tasteless, sweet. Had leftover celeriac mash with butter and cream with mushrooms instead, and am still at 370cals.
Will be eating normally tonight.

ManOnBoard Mon 08-Oct-12 16:09:51

It seems that many of us feel that our appetites have changed due to our stomachs shrinking so it occurred to me that if you you have reached a plateau you might try a) Doing your fasts on consecutive days, as I did when I first tried this WOE b) Changing to different foods with the same calories but less bulk, or c) Splitting your meals and having a longer gap netween them, so brunch at 11am and perhaps your main meal at 7pm

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Mon 08-Oct-12 16:14:53

hi all - first fast day in what feels like FOREVER (last was last Wednesday), very indulgent few days with having visitors who are here on holiday so I end up acting like I'm on holiday too - did well the first few days but yesterday was a total blow out so expecting today to be difficult.

No major problems with hairloss here, but I have very thin, fine hair that falls out in clumps anyway! One of the myriad of reasons to be said I'll never be pregnant again - my hair looks amazing in pregnancy!

I did 5:2 last week and will be doing 5:2 again this week but think I actually prefer doing 4:3, I find the fasts easier to cope with if there are of them! Assume once I'm at a weight I'm happy with I'll go to 6:1, but it's slow going for me as I'm already in healthy BMI range. Seriously need to get training again though - no exercise for ages and a few training rides coming up.

Will make a big batch of miso in case of hunger pangs but otherwise looking forward to a courgette and feta and mint salad for dinner.

Fast day yesterday which was fairly easy as I have the remnants of a stinking cold so not much appetite. Made a large pot of prawn tom yum soup as I am mainlining chilli in a hope of clearing my cold once and for all.

I am seeing a difference in my eating habits. I bought a chocolate mousse from the canteen today, took one spoonful and though this isn't to my taste and then threw the rest away. Previously, I would have eaten it anyway or replaced it with something else.

Thina Mon 08-Oct-12 16:44:08

Laska42 is the carrot, tomato, red pepper and lentil soup on the recipe thread?

Littlemisstan I too and same-ish as you, 5' 5", 11st 0-4lbs, not sure of your age (no need tonreveal) but I am 45.

I am on week three. The first two weeks I tried hard to keep to 500 but was nowhere near, I FEEL better though haven't lost weight, am starting to sleep better, but for some reason I am continuing with this WOE and want to give it a real good go. I think it's this thread, it's so supportive. I am in a bit more of a routine with fast days now.

Thina Mon 08-Oct-12 16:44:59

Thanks too MOB for the tips.

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 16:49:09

thina yes it is I had some today even though its an eating day... was generous in working out the calories as put in for 10ml olive oil, but with a olive oil spray would be quite a lot less.. I also found today that a squeeze of Lemon juice in the bowl with it was nice..

BurningBright Mon 08-Oct-12 17:05:46

Fast day for me. Just marking my place on the shiny new thread.

ManOnBoard Mon 08-Oct-12 17:13:49

Fast day for me and so far all I have had is water and 2 cups of tea, was thinking of having chicken biryani but realised I could have a mars bar and 2 packets of quavers instead (but I won't), diet schmiet I love this WOE.

GE&N thankyou and for maintaining this thread so well and GWTMH I blame you for the Mars bar as I cannot help but sing Life On Mars whenever I see your name

Breadandwine Mon 08-Oct-12 17:48:17

Here's a YouTube film by Luigi Fontana, one of the scientists on the Horizon programme, on Caloric Restriction, Lifespan, Protein and IGF1:

http://www.fastingconnection.com/forum/Posts-for-The-Fast-Doctor/13060-Luigi-Fontana-on-Caloric-Restriction-Lifespan-Protein-and-IGF1#13060

Also posted on the Tips thread.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Mon 08-Oct-12 17:53:27

that's because it is an AWESOME song MoB!! It will be played at my funeral....

Dad has agreed to fast with me today - taking the children to the Science Museum in the hope the distraction will help the hunger pangs!

ManOnBoard Mon 08-Oct-12 18:10:00

GWTMH Couldn't agree more, just not when I sing it. Hunky Dory was the first LP I ever bought and for you young ones an LP is a 30cm plastic disc rhat music used to be stored on before CDs and I-Pods came along

BrigitBigKnickers Mon 08-Oct-12 18:34:35

Fast day for me today- so much easier than all the others so far. Loads of carrot sticks and other veg to munch on through the day and now tucking into a prawn salad with a few new potatoes.

Have now lost 6lbs but been a bit naughty over thye weekend so must be good this week.

Aboutlastnight Mon 08-Oct-12 19:07:33

Am 9 stone 12 - down from 10 stone 9 about 8 weeks ago.

Am on a fast day today - omelette this morning, veg stir fry tonight. Had a blow out weekend: had a few drinks, went to cinema, had a curry bug foolishly ordered a starter which meant I couldn't manage the main course!

Have drunk rather a lot so probably gained a few pounds but the beauty of this is that I know I will continue to fast and the overall trend wi be downward, especially as my appetite is much smaller.

First fast day and it's ok smile

So 11 weeks until the trip to the in-laws for you know what. I'm hoping to lose enough weight that SIL won't feel the need to tip her head sympathetically at me all day every frigging day whilst we're there hmm

Piebaldrider Mon 08-Oct-12 20:01:56

Weeks 3-4 not going so well , I know i blew it and so last week was not a 4.3 but 5.2 but i suppose its not the end of the world. Trouble is the same thing has happened this week and im not sure i will make 5.2 if i carry on like this. Overall i have found the fasting days fairly easy but the last few times i have fallen apart in the evening and eaten or drank possibly both something i shouldnt. I cant understand why when i found it fairly easy at the start i suddenly cant do it. Im not beating myself up as that wont help and i know i can start again tomorrow but its hard to stay focused when you know you have let go of the reins and the horse has run away with you. I'm hoping posting my thoughts will get me back on track. Thanks to all beacuse i wouldnt be doing this without knowing you were too.

Health happiness and weight loss wishes to all.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:16:46

piebald
It sounds to me like you need to analyse your eating patterns and habits more.
The whole point of this WOE is that you stop snacking and leave decent gaps between the times that you put calories into your system - at least one 16 hour gap per fast.
Are you snacking?
Why are you snacking ? What prompts you to start picking in the evening?
Why is that food in the house in the first place .....
Take a step back and get the 16 hour gap easy to do.
Then add in an extra bit to do the 500 in 24 hours.
If you are hungry in the evening, avoid eating all day and then have a really filling supper (I just had a HUGE bowl of soup and had to loosen my belt - all 420 calories thereof!)
Others have very accurately said that there is a real mindset to eating too much, and only once you have recognised it can you turn it round and get the eating the right amount mindset.
Hang on in there.
And take little steps at first

Sputnik Mon 08-Oct-12 20:29:01

Piebald hang in there and keep trying, I find if I plan rigidly what I'm going to eat it's easier to stay on track. Don't know if you have other people around you eating and drinking stuff you shouldn't but if you do try and go off into another room or something before you get tempted.

Sputnik Mon 08-Oct-12 20:32:04

Agree about trying to leave it til the evening, I just had a huge veggie curry, I couldn't finish it. Then enough calories left for some plain yogurt and blueberries. Up til dinner I just had coffee, tea and water.

Mintyy Mon 08-Oct-12 20:36:04

Can I ask a favour? I'm not on myfitnesspal and I don't have a calorie books. Can anyone tell me how this tots up in calories:

1.5 tbsp olive oil, 1 large onion, 3 cloves garlic, 1 stick celery, 2 knorr chicken stock cubes, 4 smallish potatoes, 4 medium carrots, 1 large courgette, and a handful of green beans.

Thank you ever so much thanks.

ManOnBoard Mon 08-Oct-12 20:46:23

Piebaldrider you better than most should know if you fall off the horse get straight back on, it will get easier and soon just becomes a habit

Mintyy I do not have MFP either, just put "calorie counter" in your search engine

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:58:40

854 cals Mintyy (Hope it wasnt your fast day ).
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Potatoes - Boiled, cooked without skin, 4 small (1-3/4" to 2-1/2" dia.) 430
1 Courgette 18
Oil - Olive, 1.5 tablespoon 179
Carrots - Raw, 4 carrot med 100
Celery - Raw, 1 stalk, medium (7-1/2" - 8" long) 6
Onions - Raw, 1 large 63
Green Beans French, 3.5 oz 22
Knorr - Chicken Cube Stock - Soup, 1.5 23
Garlic - Raw, 3 clove 13

Mintyy Mon 08-Oct-12 21:19:50

Oh thank you! That went into a large pan of soup and I'll have a quarter portion, so think am going to be ok grin.

Quite shocked by the calories in carrots tbh ...

Laska42 Mon 08-Oct-12 21:30:06

yes.. they do have fairly high sugar/carb load for veg but it might not be all usable calories but think of the fibre also ..

Calories are a fairly broad measure esp for fibrous things - .. ...anyway for soup I think its ok ..

Breadandwine Mon 08-Oct-12 21:48:56

Minty, this is the one I use - it's not perfect, but it has it's uses. It gives cals, protein, carb levels, etc.

And every veg has a list of other veg, both for an ounce and 100g on the same page - I use Ctl F to get to the one I want quickly:

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calories-in-food/veg/Mushrooms.htm

But also, every time I look up the calorie count of a veg I put this info in a word file - so I only have to look it up once.

Bit surprised by the amount in the small potatoes, Laska - 100g of boiled potato is 72 cals (and is the carb of choice on my fast days), so that's about 600g of potato.

awaywego1 Mon 08-Oct-12 22:26:23

End if fast day 1 this week. Feel disappointed as I've gone a bit over I think-around 600 rather than 500-need to rethink dinner as soup just didn't cut it tonite so i ended up having a small fruit salad with a dollop of yogurt as well.
It probably doesn't matter that much but can't help feeling a bit bah humbug about it. Have a relatively healthy day planned tommorow so maybe that will even things out.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 08-Oct-12 22:28:56

awaywego
think presentation and nouveau cuisine - makes even a small simple meal more fulfilling ....

Breadandwine Mon 08-Oct-12 23:17:02

Hi all, found you again!

Some amazing weight losses here, well done - very inspiring!

I've not posted for a while.. but managed my first "proper" Monday fast day today - up till now I'd only managed Thursdays so only 6:1, so hopefully this week will be my first real 5:2. I tried last week but started feeling a bit rubbish on the Monday, think I wasn't totally well so let myself start eating - I don't believe in starving when ill!

Anyway though, today I managed to stick to it, pretty much - if I'm honest I will have gone slightly over 500 (just had an Options hot choc, and nibbled a tiny bit of dark choc after lunch) but probably only around 600 or so altogether. I really don't care if I go over a little bit - after all I don't think there's been any firm evidence that 500 is the "magic number" to go for, that's just what they tried and it seemed to work; but even 600 is way less than I'd have on a normal day, so that plus a long(ish) fasting period ought to do some good.

Hard to say if I've lost weight yet - I did seem to drop a bit but our old scales died so that was on the new ones (they said DH had lost as well) so it may just be the difference between scales! But I am nearer to my latest target than I have been for a long time, so here's hoping to see some results now I'm moving to 5:2.

ThinkICan Tue 09-Oct-12 03:30:17

supervixen - too early to count my chickens! No weight loss in last 10 days though I'm doing ADF. Guess my thyroid and body caught up. Think the early weight loss was 'cos I have 40 lbs to lose to get to my normal weight. And my BP shot up to 170/90 yesterday and I may have to go see doc and get meds which I was hoping to avoid by a healthier WOE. Anyone found their BP going up after starting this WOE? I thought it would bring it down shock

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Tue 09-Oct-12 06:21:57

No idea in bp to be honest

Heading to bed after a successful fast day. First time going to bed not hungry after a huge and delish dinner thanks to the torygraph website.

Decided with dad to do thurs rather than weds, mainly so I don't have as big a gap between fasts

CrackerJackShack Tue 09-Oct-12 07:00:50

Yesterday was a feed day but I think I might have overdone it with 1 too many glasses of wine and some pretzels. sad

Today is a feed day as well, but going to try to keep the calorie intake a bit low to compensate for last night.

Thelittlestranger Tue 09-Oct-12 07:35:12

Morning, first fast day of the week over and done with yesterday...approx 540 cals as I had a yoghurt in the evening. Also went to the gym for an hour of strength training, so I figure it's evened out.

Food day today...planning on chilli prawn spaghetti for dinner tonight, and then am going to do another fast day tomorrow.

Definitely worth investing in MFP if you have a smartphone, it's fab and really helps you work out what you can have.

Laska42 Tue 09-Oct-12 07:50:12

Fasting again today .. eggs and carrot , red pepper tomato and lentil soup planned

Bread and Wine sometimes I think MFP does show things higher than id expect so i don't know if that's right , (but i think about right ) I don't eat potatoes much anyway anymore ( though I love them.. ) but sadly they are sneakily high in calories and carbs

mistlethrush Tue 09-Oct-12 08:11:51

Laska - strangely, sweet potatoes are significantly better in terms of GI than normal potatoes - I think its to do with them being a vine not a potato.

LookBehindYou Tue 09-Oct-12 08:48:27

Re potatoes, I have read that small potatoes are lower in carb and calories than big ones. Less starchy I guess.

Laska42 Tue 09-Oct-12 09:06:45

Yeah they are mistlethrush but they are also spawn of the devil in my opinion ( as is butternut squash !! ) bleugh! .. far too sweet for me .. not keen on parsnips either for the same reason ..

LBY , yes i think salad potatoes are also , but im the person who can eat (and has eaten) a whole pot of mashed potatoes out ofd the pot standing in the kitchen .. best i leave them for very special occaisions. Potato is pure drugs for me ! (ive only started admitting this recently ..even when i started this WOE a few weeks ago i was kidding myself i could control it and they didnt have that effect on me .. )

Hi ThinkIcan, yeah surprised about the BP shooting up but BP can be all over the place anyway, especially if you were feeling apprehensive when taking it.

I've had high BP ever since giving up the fags 6 years ago, at one stage upto about 160 over 80 whislt on medication. BP has steadilly dropped since doing more exercise and weight dropping down markedly but STILL has the odd spike so don't stress at all about the odd blip.

Since this WOE though the Blood Pressure's down to silly levels, quite often 110 over 60 odd and have had to cut dose in half (saw doc about it so not advising anyone to self medicate), now on 5 mg of Lisinopril rather than 10mg.

You probably already know this but with BP, measure it once a day at the same time of day, it tends to be lower first thing before breakfast and higher after food and will soar after sugar or a hot bath/shower.

If you can avoid going on BP medication at all that's best as once on it they reckon you never come off......However if it's obviously constantly too high it's sensible to see a doctor and get advise (Hawthorn is an alternative and is available from Health food shops)

Fasting day for me, so off for a cycle to keep my mind off it for a couple of hours. Happy fasting all... keep the fast, keep the faith :-)

Alaska77 Tue 09-Oct-12 09:38:37

Hi All, fast day for me today after an unnecessarily overindulgent feed day yesterday. But the best thing about this WOE is no guilt! Back on the wagon today with my usual fasting supper of spinach omelette. Planning nothing but water until then (my stomach hasn't forgiven me for yesterday yet anyway).

Interesting to read about the potatoes. Has anyone tried Bushbok potatoes from Tesco? They taste sweet (like sweet potatoes) but they're white inside like normal potatoes. From the outside they have a rough skin like yams. Really scrummy (strictly for feed days though!). Peel them, parboil and roast them. Truly delicious.

Good luck fasters, feeders and losers x

BelinaTheChicken Tue 09-Oct-12 09:58:21

Thanks for the new thread GreenEggs

Feed day for me, and going to make a concerted effort to eat today, as I have been undereating on feed days, then finding it really hard to stick to fasts. Just took and average of my intake over the last 7 days and it was less than 1000, but out of the 3 fast days I only stuck under calories in one, went over by 150 and 250 calories. My weight has stayed the same for a week now, possibly because my overall intake is too low? confused

So going to have a bowl of pasta with cheese, veg and pesto for lunch and have taken some beef casserole out of the freezer and will have that with mash and veg for dinner. No junk in the house at the moment, but I might go out and buy myself some kind of ridiculously indulgent treat.

Good luck for everyone today

OHforDUCKScake Tue 09-Oct-12 10:06:19

Morning again.

Fast day for me. After the last fast day I weighed at 10.2 thats 4lb loss but as always, to begin with it is water. I gain a little bit more or sts them genuinely start losing weight so hopefully next week I'll see 'true' results. I dont even want to lose that much really. 10lb and I'll be over the moon.

Its 10.05am Ive eaten nothing yet and Im starving!

Disenchanted4 Tue 09-Oct-12 10:34:22

hiya,

im looing to try this diet,

I've done some VLCDs but the complete food replacement just kills me, as soon as I start all I can see is the weeks of no food ahead of me and it inevitably makes me cave.

I'm liking the sound of this as I only have to do low calories one day in the knowledge I can 'eat' again tomorrow.

So my questions are:

1- Does it have to be 5:2? Could I do 4:3? Would I get better results doing 4:3?

2- I know on the low days I have to aim for under 400 calories, what should I stay withing on 'eating' days?

3- Does anyone use myfitnesspal to help in this diet? Keeping track?

4 - How long have YOU being doing this? And what have the results been?

5- anything else I should know? Any tips ect?

Thanks very much for reading.

OHforDUCKScake Tue 09-Oct-12 10:53:30

Im looking forward to seeing the answers to your question 4 Disinchanted

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 09-Oct-12 11:27:48

Am copying and pasting from the OP: The 5:2 diet essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Definitely check out some of the articles in the OP if you'd like an overview.

I do 4:3, it works well for me. I think you need to see how you go with it. I suspect you'll lose faster with 4:3 because it is overall fewer calories over time.

I haven't weighed myself the last few days but last I checked I'd lost 12 pounds or so, and I've been doing this for 6 weeks (or so... I'd have to check my calendar)

LookBehindYou Tue 09-Oct-12 11:29:29

Disenchanted, it's 500 calories if you're female.
I use mfp sometimes to know the calories. I also use other sites if I don't feel I'm getting the right info. Or I check the details on the pack.

The point is that you don't calorie count on the eating days.

I did 5:2 for around 7 weeks. Lost 2kgs more or less, which is not much but stomach flattened noticably and dropped 2 dress sizes. I stopped 5:2 for around 3 or 4 weeks, gained no weight and now am back doing 5:2. Started again last week.

Everyone will have their own coping tips but mine are:
Drink lots of fluid. Herbal teas are good because they don't need milk (which is counted in your calories). Water also good. Fizzy drinks, not so.
Calories go further with vegetables. You can play around with flavourings and have fab soups. If you eat starch you'll want more (or maybe that's just my pathetic self control) so I avoid bread, rice and usually potatoes. After playing around it works best for me to just have one meal in the evening but that differs wildly for everyone.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 09-Oct-12 11:32:56

Disenchanted
5:2 / 4:3 - whatever works for you. the main thing is to find something you'll be happy doing for the rest of your life, not just till you get to a "target weight" (and then promptly go back up again....)

Fast days : NO. NOT "UNDER 400 calories". Aim for EXACTLY 500 calories for a woman, 600 for a man. that is to STOP your body going into panic mode. And on feed days, the GDA of 2000 calories is absolutely fine. REmember this is for life, not just till Christmas.

MFP : lots of people use it, mainly those with plenty of weight to lose so that they can break their snacking habits on feed days and to make sure they get the balance right on 500 calorie days.

How long : The earliest starters were the week after the Mosely programme. BUT people have been using IF as a diet system for years and years and years.
I started 5:2 at the start of term and have dropped 7 pounds and I was not overweight at the start.

Tips : read the OP of this thread and follow all of the lovely links and read them and watch the programme.

Remember, this is a Way of Eating for the rest of your life, not a diet.

MikeOxard Tue 09-Oct-12 11:35:26

1- You can do 4:3 or even every other day if you fancy it for better results. I do 4:3 to get my extra weight off quicker. I will do 5:2 when I am happy to maintain my weight.
2- Fast days aim for under 500. Eat days, just eat to your appetite, you don't have to calorie count and your appetite will adjust downwards eventually. Some people use bmr for a guide, if that helps.
3- People do, not me because I can't be arsed.
4 - 8 weeks. Lost 1st 8lbs so far. Roughly 3lb a week when I have been good on my eating days (1300cals-ish). Lost none last week when I pigged out on all my eating days (2000+ cals). I won't be doing that again! Not til I'm slim anyway.
5- Just experiment with it and see what works for you. Some people need breakfast, some people skip it altogether, some eat ww ready meals/slim fast for ease of prep and sticking to calories and some prepare everything from scratch to make healthier choices and get more bulk for their calories, some people survive on diet coke and some people will give you a right telling off for that (that's you talkinpeace). But there isn't any right and wrong about that sort of thing, just do whatever makes it doable for you. Good luck and thanks disenchanted I bloody love a quiz!

welshmill Tue 09-Oct-12 11:35:47

Hello Disenchanted4 I've been doing this since the last week of August and so far I've lost just over 10lb and 3 1/2 inches off my waistline and I feel great, both physically and mentally. This has been so much easier than any other diet regime I've tried (not that it's a diet or a regime!) I started on 5:2 but due to cancelled nights out and the rearrangement of fast days etc I found myself doing 4/3 by default so have stuck with that. I fast Mondays and Wednesdays and either Friday or Saturday depending on what's happening over the weekend. On my ordinary days I still do a rough calorie count just to make sure I'm getting enough (!) which for a tich like me (4' 11") is around 1800 calories (my 'maintenance' calories). I use myfitnesspal for this. I also find that if I try to keep the carbs in check on fast days I don't feel as hungry but I don't really bother about them on feed days. I have two meals on a fast day 9of about 500 cals) as I find skipping breakfast easiest. I also walk the dog every day for at least 30 mins but that's my only exercise. smile

welshmill Tue 09-Oct-12 11:39:00

oh...and I find that planning what I'm going to eat on a fast day using myfitnesspal really helps to take the panic away.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 09-Oct-12 11:40:11

winkMikeOxard - I still say that diet fizzy drinks are the spawn of the devil - fizzy wine on the other hand is the best thing for weekend non fast days !

LookBehindYou Tue 09-Oct-12 11:41:11

Sorry, that should have set I lost 4kg.

MikeOxard Tue 09-Oct-12 11:43:29

Hm, can we compromise and I'll just put some malibu in my diet coke? I'm not much of a fan of wine <ducks for cover>.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 09-Oct-12 11:48:38

:-0
My real weakness is manhattan cocktails which when I did WW were scary poins, but now I know that my 3000 calorie deficit from other days of the week allows them...

Another pair of jeans needing a belt today BTW - will start trying on the pairs at the back of the cupboard soon ....

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 09-Oct-12 11:49:23

I highly recommend just jumping in and making tomorrow a fast day. smile You won't know how it works for you until you try it. I started the day after I heard about it, and I haven't looked back. As Mike noted re: her weight loss, I'd probably have lost more than the 12 lbs I have, if I'd not had so many nights out/ celebration type things over that time. But as TalkInPeace says, it's a way of eating, not a temporary thing, so these fluctuations are going to happen. I'm quite pleased with my 12 lbs. I love this WOE.

The first few fast days will be tough just come here for support and keep the flow of hot drinks (watch the calories in milk) coming.

It's a fast day for me, and my monthlong cough has turned into a fever, so I'm just home with DS and hugging a coffee at the moment. I considered abandoning my scheduled fast day but so far, I think I'm going to stick with it. It's not that I want to be able to eat a lot (I have no taste buds at the moment!) but I don't know if I want to have to think about anything today. grin I've got a Covent Garden-style soup in the fridge (from Aldi!) which I'll try later.

Hi everyone, been lurking on all the threads, it's all very interesting. Me and DP started 4:3 4 weeks ago. He has lost 2lb per week and I've only lost 1lb per week on average. Fast days are much easier, we just have water in day and all our calories at night. We have both got loads of weight (he 5st, me nearer 10st blush ) to lose so I was hoping things would shift a bit quicker. It's really annoying to see it drop off him and not me!
What do people think about taking xls medical alongside this woe? Taking it probably only on eating days as obviously on fast days I am only having 1 low fat meal per day (usually quorn and veg stir fry, strawberries and 0% total yoghurt). Any advice?

mommybunny Tue 09-Oct-12 13:16:52

Hi all - broke down and weighed myself this morning and found I had gained a pound in 2 weeks angry. Grr... Officially, that's me down 1 measly pound in 3 weeks!

I'm gutted (or I wish! Getting rid of this "gut" is all I want...). I've been doing this as faithfully as I can. I haven't been "counting" the milk in coffee and tea, but I don't have much of either on fast days. I've otherwise been no more than 10 calories over 500 on fast days (I use MFP on fast days to calculate what I eat). For at least the past 2 weeks I've been doing 16 hour fasts on fast days. On feed days, I do drink wine, but I don't snack and I don't take large portions. My water consumption has shot up dramatically (and I never have more than 1 Diet Coke a day, if that). I don't know if it's really fair to say my appetite in general has decreased since starting this - maybe I have been slightly binging on my feed days in delight at the thought of not have to hmm. It's just so disheartening when I've been so hungry on my fast days - it's been a real sacrifice to eat so little, but I had always thought it was worth it. I've never found this "easy", and by lunch time on the day after a fast, even after a normal breakfast I find myself absolutely ravenous.

But I shall persevere. No more uncounted dribbles of milk on fast days, and lots more veg and less bread to stretch out the eating periods. If I don't see some improvement by this time next week I will have to bite the bullet and plot my feed day eating into MFP, but my God I was hoping to avoid that! I am a "normal" BMI, so I guess I will just have to accept that losing weight will take a bit longer for me.

Greeneggs, sounds like your cough has turned into what I had week before last. Sorry to hear it - it sucks. I also fasted then, and felt all the conflicting emotions you have in deciding to stick with it. Hope you're feeling better soon!

mommybunny Tue 09-Oct-12 13:23:26

Oh, and disenchanted, one key coping strategy: keep yourself busy on fast days. I find it's the boredom that gets me - I work at a desk, some days from home and some days in an office. I'm not always terribly busy, but sort of need to "stay at the desk", iyswim, so it's really easy to get bored and dwell on how hungry I am. Our house is also really, really cold (DH won't put on the central heating yet angry) and I can't bear moving around in it which also keeps me chained to one spot. But some diligent posters have been using the boredom (and time not preparing or eating food) to clean out their wardrobes and do all other sorts of really useful things.

Breadandwine Tue 09-Oct-12 13:25:02

I've found it's best if I eat nothing during the day, and have a big meal in the evening. That way I can have all the trimmings and treats and still come in between 5-600 calories.

It's weird - when I don't eat I don't feel hungry; when I do have breakfast, half an hour later I'm hungry again! confused So not eating during the day is for me!

Don't forget we have a Tips thread running in parallel with this one, trying to keep them all in one place:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1581821-Tips-and-links-for-those-practicing-Intermittent-Fasting-IF-5-2-or-Alternate-Day-Fasting-ADF

Afternoon Mommybunny , keep faith it'll come and starting on a normal BMI it will of course take longer to lose weight. Ususally body shape comes first then the weight...and thankfully (for me being one) men tend to lose a lot faster than women at least initially wink

For me one of the strengths of this WOE is it is a longterm lifestyle choice (I sound like a bl**dy hippy) and not a short term diet. So if you don't lose weight for a month or you feast when you planned to fast or you hit 2 calories over your target one day none of this matters as we all have (hopefully) many years of this in front of us. Even losing on average only 1/2 a pound every week over 13 weeks you'd be half a stone lighter, by the summer a stone lighter...it will come smile and the health benefits, if the studies can be believed are there all the time.

Everythingsgoingtitsup keep to the WOE and don't bother with any additional weight loss medication and the weight will fall off. Incorporating some kind of moderate exercise or activity can be a lot more effective than any kind of medicin. But whatever path you choose, good luck.

MikeOxard Tue 09-Oct-12 13:54:05

Welcome titsup. I'd give it a go, it can't hurt. Let us know how you get on.

I do the opposite breadandwine. Against the majority, as usual! I generally have late breakfast and lunch, and use all my calories by about 2pm. I then feel full for a good few hours through the day and I feel unburdonned, as I don't have to think about food or calories anymore. Otherwise I feel like the number of calories i have left is like a thing hanging over me. Anyone else feel like that, or am I odd?

Laska42 Tue 09-Oct-12 14:07:51

I like two meals on a fast day , but today i managed without breakfast again ..
so far its been 2 HB eggs and a slice of ham and a mug of yummy Miso soup (no, i do really like it!) with Franks of course because I am a chillihead ..

Soup tonight ..

Ive been doing this about 6/7 weeks (Cant remember now) and have lost 11lb.. making me 10.9. I'm really happy with that having lost and gained (11.7 - 11.12) over the last 18 months with WW..( and which I have been doing on and off most of the last 30 years and will NEVER go back to now..)

Not to mention all the guilt and sense of failure i had with WW when eating the 'wrong things' ...But now on this WOE I can have whatever i fancy on eating days... Wine! cheese! curry! (bliss....) and am still losing weight also grin

Just give it a go disenchanted

Disenchanted4 Tue 09-Oct-12 14:46:33

Hi everyonem thanks so much.

I decided to start yesterday on an eating day grin grin

Today has been a down day,

I've had a slim and save bar and a tin of WW soup, i had a piece of brown bread which was prob a mistake as i only have 165c left for my evening meal :/

any ideas what I could do with that?

Hi again!

Having eating day today, been making the most of it (LOVELY choc brownie with custard in the canteen at lunch today! - sorry fasters!) but not going overboard. I think I am starting to inch (slowly) closer to my next weight target so that's nice!

disenchanted I think my main take on this thing so far has been - do what works for you! The thing is, there hasn't been enough research on this yet to know exactly what is best (400, 500 or 600 cals? alternate days or 5:2? How to eat on eating days?), and also, everyone is different so what works best for one person may not be the best thing for someone else.

So the way I see it is, do whatever works for you to make it sustainable and to get some benefits - we don't know exactly how to get MAX benefits so that's not a good target to aim for! But if you can do a good approximation of what's being suggested (approx. 500 cals, 2 or 3 days a week, ideally with a long-ish fast period incorporated at some point) then you are likely to see benefits.

So, I am having no breakfast but a late lunch and evening meal, plus milky coffee - but others prefer to have some breakfast, or else not to eat at all till the evening, depending on their preferences, body, and daily routine. Some people are watching what they eat (a bit) on eating days, if they think they will go overboard otherwise - but many are not. The good thing is you can be flexible with it, experiment, and change things round if you need to - no need for all the control-freakery you get with some diets. Also, if you go a bit over the calories on one fast day, or miss one out - it's not the end of the world, you haven't "blown it" and your head won't fall off or anything!

saladfingers Tue 09-Oct-12 16:30:25

I appreciate that the vast majority of people on this thread are using this WOE primarily as a diet to lose weight.That's great and it seems to work to varying degreees depending on how much you have to lose.

I want the weightloss benefits as currently have a BMI of 28,(that's after losing 2 stone already) however I primarily want the additional health benefits of intermittant fasting.

For those that are interested in the other health benefits check out these sites
Insulin resistance
HGH diet

Blondie276 Tue 09-Oct-12 16:47:58

Hello all, and as has been mentioned by a few already- thank you for all the continued support. I must say reading other people's experiences and progress does motivate !
So week three of starting this week! After weighing myself and finding i put on a pound I've limited to a monthly weigh in as I know it can fluctuate unite a bit on this woe. I know that I have lost some though already as I got into a pair of jeans today that only a week ago were uncomfortably too tight- yippee !
I am starting to really feel better in myself and getting used to fast days- as others have mentioned I've started to look forward to them!
I've started to get a bit of a cold today though- the standard sore throat / headache/ ear ache blah blah blah- not sure if its a symptom of winter arriving or my body adjusting to lower calories but sure it won't last long ( I have made sure since I started this woe that I take daily vitamins though to make up for lost nutrition)
Looking forward to seeing the results after my first month- and thank you again to all for the posts - keeps me going as well as learning new tricks and tips !

ThatBintAgain Tue 09-Oct-12 16:59:01

hello - marking place for when I get back on track. Have been having lots of lower calorie days due to being married to an arse which has put me right off for the last few days.

Breadandwine Tue 09-Oct-12 17:04:15

I'm currently making a low-cal curry and so far, using onion, pepper, carrot and mushrooms I'm up to 71 calories.

Using your limit I would add:
Clove of garlic - 1 cal
100g of tinned tomatoes - 22 calories - so that makes 94; plus
50g cooked kidney beans - 47 cals - making 141.

A stock cube, some curry powder and a few mixed herbs will finish it off nicely.

That's if you've got those ingredients, of course.

Hi all, on 3rd fast day ( not 3 in a row, just 3rd time having a fast day) and I'm finding it REALLY hard. Found the first 2 pretty easy but today I've been starving all day. I usually eat nothing till dinner time and have a good meal then but am sitting here thinking bout buttered toast!!

All in all I'm not going to be able to stick to 500 calories due to buggering up dinner by not planning ahead properly. But im not giving up on today totally, just realise it will be over a bit but still consider it a fast day. Will do next fast day Friday and be better prepared next week.

Breadandwine Tue 09-Oct-12 17:23:52

Sorry, my last message was in answer to Disenchanted4. smile

scattergun Tue 09-Oct-12 17:35:09

I second everyone who says don't worry about occasional weight blips. I've been doing this for 9 weeks now and have had some big loss weeks and some no loss weeks, and I've been rigorous about the fasting and exercising. No idea why it's so uneven, but it's all downwards over time and I can definitely see myself doing this forever if needs be.

MikeOxard Tue 09-Oct-12 17:47:05

What's up thatbint, you okay? x

Mintyy Tue 09-Oct-12 17:48:53

I don't have scales atm and would never in a million years weigh myself in public unless a gun was actually being held to my head so don't know how much weight (if any) I have lost. But clothes feel a little looser and I somehow feel lighter and I am quite enjoying the fast days. Dh has gone down a notch on his belt. He has about 4 stone to lose (he is very tall), me about 2 stone 7.

Anyone fancy hazarding a guess at how much I might have lost? I am 5ft2", 50 years old, in the middle of the menopause, and have the metabolism of a sloth on tramadol. Started on 1st September, doing 5:2 with one write-off day so far (due to not being able to fast with hangover) but otherwise have stuck to the rules I think.

Place your bets grin!

sarahcrowe Tue 09-Oct-12 17:54:23

Just wondered if anyone on here has fasted from say 5 pm one day to 5 pm the next instead of within a normal day.
Thanks
Sarah

scattergun Tue 09-Oct-12 18:09:52

sarahcrowe, I'm a 24 hour faster and do that most days. This means I have an eating window every day where I eat what I want and nothing in between. A few days a week I have the normal 3 meals a day, just to stay normal. I have found it very easy.

sarahcrowe Tue 09-Oct-12 18:13:39

Thanks for that scattergun. Sarah

Laska42 Tue 09-Oct-12 18:22:29

Right ! just had my carrot red pepper lentil tomato soup..

That's it for today!! but its six o'clock and ill be OK now until tomorrow.... but probably wont last until 10 - more like 8 , but I had over my 16 hrs this morning , so counting that

MFP makes it 514 cals today.... That'll do.. I still find it strange though how you get hungry and then you're not . I was ravenous at about 3pm , but not really once I got home and could eat ..

salad fingers I think lots of us are interested in the health benefits also . But of course we wont ever know if this WOE did make a difference to the length of our lives ..just hope it does. Thanks for the links . But of course the weight loss is a great motivator to continue and I've seem mine move downwards after a long time being 'stuck' (overall i've lost over 3 stone now, - 11lb on this) ...

Mintyy Thats dangerous talk that isgrin, I once REALLY upset a work colleague who asked me to guess her age , and I put her at about 10 years older than she was!! ( trouble is I think everyone is as old as me..) .. How about 6lbs? I'm 54 was 1 stone overweight and lost about 1.5 -2lb a week to start off with , but have slowed down now (and I think I'm done with menopause now )

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Tue 09-Oct-12 18:49:55

Just been catching up on this thread... Do you really need to eat to the 500 calories on a fast day? Fast day here and have just worked out the calories in my proposed sipper(huevos rancheros, which is quite like the eggs in purgatory if anyone saw Nigelissima last week, but with a lot less olive oil!) and it only comes to about 320 if I've worked it out right... had a cup of tea this morning, but I don't take much milk, and Bovril at lunch, and everything else has been herbal teas, so I have calories "left over" - do I need to use them? I suppose at least I could have a cup of milky coffee after supper smile

OHforDUCKScake Tue 09-Oct-12 19:24:03

Ive really really struggled today.

I even caved just now and ate about 8 frazzles. Soooo hungry!

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 09-Oct-12 19:54:05

Sarah ah well, I often don't make my 500 calories.

As far as I understand from reading the articles, technically we're meant to be eating 1/4 of our calories for the day. 500 is 1/4 of the average woman's suggested caloric intake. Some of us are bigger than others (you can use the link in the OP to find your BMR, and from there there is a link to find out the number of calories you need per day given your activity level. If you're interested! So I take it to mean 1/4 of that amount. It's not always 500.)

As I said, though, I've been under my 500 calories on several occasions, with no changes to my weight loss. Some days I simply don't feel like having them all, or I leave them so late in case I want something later, then forget. smile I've been known to have a small glass of wine on fast days to keep up.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 09-Oct-12 19:56:05

OHforDUCK I will give you the pep talk I give myself late in the day on difficult fast days: you don't want to mess it up now! You've come this far! A few more hours, you'll be asleep, and tomorrow you can have a cheese omelette for breakfast.

Or whatever floats your boat. smile

OHforDUCKScake Tue 09-Oct-12 20:05:11

Thanks Greeneggs

Although I caved! <wails>

I ate two slices of brown toast <cries>

Ive never caved on a diet before and always managed the fast days relatively well, but today was something else! I wonder did I start with the wrong mind set today? Was I not busy enough? Has the baby been feeding more the last day or two?

I dont know but I buggered it up.

No hassle though, I'm back on it on friday and I'll come back fighting. grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 09-Oct-12 20:23:20

oh well! I recommend getting some Ryvita in- each piece is surprisingly low calorie, and helps me if I get a bread craving on a fast day.

OHforDUCKScake Tue 09-Oct-12 20:24:32

Thats an excellent idea, thank you.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:28:55

MORE COFFEE NEEDED :-)

Laska42 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:30:59

ducks its ok .. draw the line now and its not too bad .... so you had 700 instead of 500.. i've had days like that and still managed a loss overall..

If you are feeding I imagine its hard enough and maybe the baby has had more I don't know If I could do it I was BF..

Good luck for Friday and dont beat yourself up

Well I'm off to bed already (as I often do early on a fast day) with pot of mint tea and book

Was talking to work colleague who is also doing this today and we were saying about what we fantasise for food days and then never actually eat it! (I was thinking apples and custard earlier ....)

Mmm.. but cheese (and mushroom) omelette.. there's a thing ....

TalkinPeace2 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:33:19

For various reasons I'll only be able to do one proper fast this week
so am doing 5 x 16 hour (as normal) and then two x 800 calories : which adds up to the same but does not make me look rude at business lunches when I'm one of the people who HAS to eat in the evening.

ShortLass Tue 09-Oct-12 20:35:24

It's been a while since I posted and I've been 5:2 on and off for a while, recently off shock. I was very hungry on feed days and ate loads. So not really any good news on the weight loss front sad

I also go running and tried going out for a run the morning after a fast day, and after breakfast, but felt hungry and stopped after two miles to eat all the blackberries off a hedgerow blush. Also, I didn't feel I had any energy in the run, like the glycogen had depleted in my muscles - I'd had this problem when I tried Dukan too.

I like this WOE and have decided to try 6:1 with fasting on the Saturday, as I don't run at the weekend (ie, fast on first of two non-running days). That seems more do-able to me. Then I'll still get a bit of the health benefits of IF, but have energy to do my running.

That's the theory anyway! grin

ManOnBoard Tue 09-Oct-12 20:42:41

Oh4DC It's at times like this I realise the difference between the genders, GE&N says all of the right things I would have said suck it up, are you a man or what? Just turn this week into a 6:1 with a very low cal day included and back on course next week.

Of course we all feel hungry(?) on occasion but it is only fleeting and more so if you can distract yourself. Whenever I feel peckish I have something to drink and have found orange squash or barley water are low cal but the liquid tricks the stomach and the sweetness the taste buds, also have it warm sometimes as I tend to sip it. Toast and Frazzles, having some of that tomorrow.

On the 25% as long as you are sticking to below 500cals it should get easier, as your weight drops your BMR decreases and 500 is proportionately more????

SarahWithAFringeOnTop Tue 09-Oct-12 20:49:32

Thanks GreenEggs... I like the idea of having to have a glass of wine to keep up smile

awaywego1 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:08:41

minty I'm guessing at 7 pounds! I'm a five foot twoer and lose weight slowly too!

Mintyy Tue 09-Oct-12 21:10:08

I have lovely food fantasies for the next day on fast days, but rarely follow them up. There was one day when I felt I would have actually killed someone for a cheese scone with butter grin. But next day had forgotten all about it hmm. I think this woe works in mysterious ways ...

awaywego1 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:12:23

greeneggs I'm wondering this too as I'm only 5 2 and now 9.7 so my bmr is much lower than 2000 a day. However even 500 feels like a challenge at the moment so I'm sticking to that BUT am being more conscious on eating days too-have had around 1400 today.

ManOnBoard Tue 09-Oct-12 21:32:01

BMR is based on a very low (bordering on comatose) lifestyle so this is where exercise or movement comes into this WOE. The only time I think my BMR is anywhere near to my totel calories burned figure is when the Ashes are on and I move from my bed to the sofa and back, but even then I do go to the paper shop to read the reports of what I spent 8 hours the previous day watching.

Oh, and MikeO, DW often says "I am a cricket widow, I would prefer it without the cricket bit"

Trills Tue 09-Oct-12 21:46:12

Probably 600-700 today - coffee, lunch (small portion of curry and rice, if it's anything like a ready meal it'd be 400-500 calories), a pack of pre-cooked chicken breast for dinner (80 cals apparently) and a few olives and pickled onions (maybe 30-40 cals in that).

Trills Tue 09-Oct-12 21:46:49

So not too bad and mostly sticking to the "one meal in the middle of the day" thing, while also not letting my colleagues see that I am doing a weird fasting thing.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 09-Oct-12 22:40:05

Yes, we're not basing it totally on BMR, which is why I mentioned the links in the BMR link in the OP which allow you to figure out the calories you need per day when taking into account the amount of exercise you do.

500 is still a decent number to aim for. smile I do, and I could actually be eating more.

mollycuddles Tue 09-Oct-12 22:41:51

I'm on my third fasting day. Doing 5:2. Last week was very tough but today was better. I have definitely found it much better to not eat at all until tea. I was much hungrier last week when I had porridge for breakfast. I'm not sure how this WOE will work for me longer term as next year I will be training for a marathon and running a lot but for now I'm giving it a go. I'm trying to run my usual 4/5 times a week and that inevitably means some sort of run on fasting days. I ran this morning which was fine. It was first thing so there was no way my body could know I was fasting anyway.
I have a deadline of 17/11 for losing some weight. Want to be under 10 st 7 (currently 11 st 3)

Breadandwine Tue 09-Oct-12 23:09:58

"I'm trying to run my usual 4/5 times a week and that inevitably means some sort of run on fasting days."

Molly, here's a forum for serious cyclists who are practicing the ADF and 5:2 WOE:

http://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=di4fjbrtknb4r741fqn4uusv00&topic=62353.0

Wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't one for marathon runners as well. smile

Evening all. Well yesterdays fast day went well at 392 cals and feed today at 2048 cals including 2 lovely glasses of wine. Ready for another fast day tomorrow smile

dalek Wed 10-Oct-12 00:01:48

Found this on twitter - some of you might find this interesting

www.valar-wellbeing.co.uk/the%20valar%20blog.html

ThinkICan Wed 10-Oct-12 01:45:24

Thank you Cyclistist for putting things in perspective. I think I was stressed out when I went to check my BP as I haven't done so in a while. I don't have a digital monitor at home. Maybe I should get one, if these are reasonably accurate. My weight has been coming down and I definitely don't want to go on meds, so - with your advice and the inspiration from others in this group - I will soldier on!

ThinkICan Wed 10-Oct-12 02:19:31

Thanks too Cyclistist for the info on hawthorn. Had never heard of this and found so much good stuff online about it. I think people on this thread are the best-informed on everything under the sun!

Aftereightsaremine Wed 10-Oct-12 07:01:15

Revelation alert! Went to lunch at dcs school on Monday & was sat on table with 10 others. I was on a fast day & feeling hard done by that I wasn't able to enjoy all the lovely food.

But I've just realised that all the skinnies on the table had the same food as me ie no carbs just protein, salad & no dressing. They also only had fruit salad for desert not the lovely cake. All the not so skinnies ate like me on a normal pig out day.

Just thought of it now & it makes sense why maybe I got to how big I am.

Piebaldrider Wed 10-Oct-12 07:02:33

Hi all thanks for the support after my fall , i did get straight back on the horse and my fast day was ok. Im wondering if 4.3 was just a bit too much at that time when i was under a lot of stress and just feeling exhausted and low.

I'm going to try to pick up on 4.3 again as the results were so obvious to me and a kick start on any weight loss is a motivation. I still never weigh myself but clothes i bought earlier in the year and then wouldn't wear due to the rolls showing though are all looking much better and i am able to wear them now .

When i let go of the reins it wasn't so much snacking or massive overeating it was 3/4 bottle of wine whilst on the phone to a shouting daughter. I wasn't massively over calories but over is over, luckily it doesn't seem to have made a difference overall.

I think in future when things get tough or im really tired i will just drop to 5.2 for a week and see if i feel better.

I ride my horse every morning before work and muck him out etc and i find that takes away any hunger in the mornings but it can be tiring when you are on the morning after a fast. When you tot it up the 500 calories actually get spread over 40 hours so we fast for more than 24 hours at a time. I will eat my last meal at around 6pm on a Monday and wont eat again until 11 ish on Wednesday and then im fasting again from 6pm that same Wednesday and within one fasting period i will have ridden and mucked out twice besides anything else so when i look back i don't feel so bad about the fall.

Im joining the gym this week too so im going to have to make sure i start a multi vit i think ..... Health happiness and weight loss to you all.

ShortLass Wed 10-Oct-12 08:07:54

Thanks for those who replied about running.

I have to say that I seem to be particularly susceptable. When trying low carb, I had no energy for running either, yet other people on forums had no problems. I'm also not good doing exercise before breakfast, yet other people swear by it!

Will definitely look at that cycling thread of those doing 5:2 - 11 pages! Will keep me busy grin

Piebaldrider: that's a good strategy of dropping to 5:2 on a difficult week. It sounds like you're doing really well in trying times.

Fast day. Hungry already sad

ShortLass Wed 10-Oct-12 08:27:32

Someone's just pointed me to an article on fasting and running.

Can Runners Benefit from Fasting?

Aftereightsaremine Wed 10-Oct-12 08:51:17

msinga I'm ravenous so I've come back to bed as its only way I know to avoid giving up fast day today. ( though I've got to be out of house by 9.30 so not being a total lazy arse.

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 09:06:35

piebaldrider i'm confused now.. You say I will eat my last meal at around 6pm on a Monday and wont eat again until 11 ish on Wednesday and then im fasting again from 6pm that same Wednesday

Why arent you eating your 500 cals on Tuesday?

Im not being funny, but wondering have I got this wrong? (though its been working for me overthe last few weeks )

This is what i did this week ..
Ate 6pm Monday , Yesterday 500 cals half at 2pm, half at 6pm, and am just about to eat my eating day breakfast in the next hour . im pretty sure thats right.. so wondering why you are going so long without fod (if you are_

BTW the scales ate the Devil.. just that.. mins showed briefly 10.7 (my target weight for about 10 years) this morning .. Wow!! . got off stepped back on to experience the monment again .... 10.9 ..
The Devil .... angry
wink

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 09:08:20

ARE the devil not Ate them LOL grin

Thelittlestranger Wed 10-Oct-12 09:26:33

Morning...step away from the scales!!! I'm feeling liberated now mine are in the OH's car and I can only weigh at the gym. I'll be interested to see if it makes any difference to weight loss over a sustained period...

Fast day here...got buggy fit this morning for the first time, then I'm busy for most of the day, so planning on eating salmon and roasted vegetables for tea and if I can hold out, then I'll also have some left for Greek yoghurt and strawberries for pudding.

Yestday I felt I ate a lot, with more snacking than usual, but still under 2000 calories, which was a surprise.

Went to the gym on Monday during a fast, and I definitely felt it was easier than when I've had breakfast. Strange.

bunjies Wed 10-Oct-12 09:30:12

Ok need some support and a pep talk please.

I've been doing 5:2 with dh for 5 weeks now, we've done 11 fasts so far, and in that time dh has lost half a stone and I've lost.....zilch envy. Not only this but my measurements have not changed one little bit angry. The stupid thing is after the first couple of weeks it seemed my tummy had gone down but it's now back again. sad

Now, before you all think oh she must be at a healthy weight and doesn't need to lose anything I'll set you straight. I am currently about 3 stone overweight and have a BMI of about 30 but would need to lose at least 2 stone to get into the healthy category. Although if I just lost a stone I would be happier with the way I look and would fit into most of my size 12 clothes again. And I am one of the short arses at 5'1".

I have mentioned before on here about being metabolically resistant although it has been pointed out to me that this is a myth. All I can say on this is that I used to be 4.5 stone overweight and it took me 2 years of low carbing to lose 1.5 stone (when others lost the same weight in about 2 months). I did try a VLCD and lost another stone in 8 weeks but this wasn't sustainable and so I have put back the stone I lost.

So, I'm now reaching a bit of a crisis point in that I want to carry on doing this as I believe in the health benefits but I also want to lose weight. Doinf the 5:2 is obviously not working for me in this respect but, on the plus side, I haven't put any weight on.

Oh and currently we fast on Mon & Thurs as I like keeping Fri-Sun as normal days. We do have wine, nibbles and sometimes pudding on these days but don't go mental as we have dcs and don't think this sets a very good example to them. I probably eat about 2500 cals on these days (although I will try & do a proper count this weekend to make sure I'm not undrestimating).

Thinking about it last night I reckon my best bet would be to try and fit in another fast somewhere along the way so have decided to do a day time fast on Weds but eat normally when I get home in the evening. So, if I eat an average of 2500 cals each day on Fri-Sun, 2000 cals on Tues, 500 cals on Mon & Thurs and 1000 cals on Weds this gives a weekly total of 11500 cals which equates to an average of 1650 per day. My BMR is 1435 and my daily calorie needs are 1973 based on a lightly active lifestyle.

Does this sound like a plan or am I overthinking this too much?

BTW everyone's losses on here are so motivational but also a bit depressing when things aren't going the same way.

TellMeLater Wed 10-Oct-12 09:52:38

bunjies how frustrating for you. 2500kcal a day sounds like too much to eat on your feed days. I'd try to get used to eating closer to 2000kcal every day. Still sounds like a lot for someone of your height though.

Wow this thing has a life of it's own!

Had yet more horrible news over the weekend which in normal circs would have had me off the 'bandwagon' for a couple of weeks with a dive into medicinal gin and crisps and choccie. However, fast day yesterday, it's just a way of life now, and although we all have a wobble every now and then, this is definitely the easiest way of eating i've ever found. fast day 10, will be doing it again thursday.

Bunjies, my commiserations, that must be so frustrating for you. The only thing I can say is stick with it, and perhaps double check that you are either eating enough on fast days, or perhaps too much. I was checking my bmr yesterday and then thinking about the cals I eat on non fast days, and I was shocked really. I tend to be fairly abstemious during the day, and then feel ok about picking at night, and boy does that add up quickly, as does my lovely gin! Arrrggghhhh! Also, I think that because 500 cals is relatively little, it would be pretty easy to forget milk in a couple of drinks, a mouthful of something on the kids plate, or an extra big dollop of lite mayo on a salad etc, and before you know it the cals have upped by 150-200. Anyway, hang in there, someone else will be along with more advice no doubt.

Happy fasting/feasting all.

Bunjies that should be eating enough on non fast days...

MikeOxard Wed 10-Oct-12 10:14:24

Bunjies - I am your height, maybe a bit less, and I would definately put loads of weight on if I had 2500 calories on my non-fast days, and I'm on 4:3. Mind you I am pretty sedentary (but I'm thinking bf makes up for that somehow?!).

If I were you, I think I would just aim to shave a few calories off the eating days (maybe have 2000 in mind?). Also keep a food diary and write down every single thing you eat so you can get a better idea of exactly how many calories you are eating. Then analyse it, so if you are maintaining a certain weight at a certain number of calories per week, then you know you need to reduce that number of calories if you want to lose weight rather than maintain.

Another thing is that apparently most people underestimate their calorie intake by at least 20%, so maybe whatever calories you are aiming for, reduce your allowance by 20% to account for this.

It's fab that you have started to maintain rather than putting on. A few more tweaks and you will be losing in no time. It is hard at first, but once you get a loss on the scales you'll have the motivation you need to do it. x

TellMeLater Wed 10-Oct-12 10:25:48

Top tip - don't fry chorizo for your dcs on the morning of a fast, the smell has left me ravenous sad

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 10-Oct-12 10:29:19

Agree with Mike. You're doing 5:2 so I would definitely not be pushing 2500 on eating days. I also very much agree with people naturally underestimating their caloric intake. Are you weighing out the nibbles you're having? Yes, I know it sounds pedantic, and it's not something you'd have to do forever, but weighing them out and seeing how much you get for how many calories will help you visualise.

And since both you and DH are on it: don't eat everything he eats. You probably aren't, but I know a lot of us fall into that habit, which is one of the reasons we put on the weight faster than they do.

Breadandwine Wed 10-Oct-12 10:30:37

And don't forget, Bunjies, if you are on or under 500 calories on your fasting days, you're still getting the health benefits, even though you're not losing weight.

Good luck! smile

Morning all! gorgeous sunny autumn day in london today, and I eally enjoyed my cycle into work -although I could do with wearing gloves!

I had a good fast day yesterday, actually ended up splitting my calories into 3 small meals, I was at home and so had a boiled egg and 2 slices of wafer thin ham for breakfast, a bowl of covent garden soupergreens soup for lunch, and a sainburys chicken arrabiatta meal soup for supper at 6pm, (and I survived the temptation of taking the kids to mcdonalds.....a rare treat after an afternoon of miles of walking to get to 2 diffeent opticians!)I then felt starving at 10pm so ate one more slice of ham and went to bed, so overall 19 cals over my 500 limit.

today I've had some porridge with banana and a milky coffee, but brought in a 250 cal meal soup for lunch just because I love them so much, why go out of my way to eat a high cal meal when I've found low cal ones i love?

bunjies I am going to agree with some of the others, it sounds like the 2500 on 3 days a week is going to sabotage your plan of loss, although I agree it will probably stop you gaining, so there is success, were you gaining before starting this WOE? it's so hard for shorter people as the amount of calories you can have compares to others is much reduced and we all get used to thinking we can eat the same as those around us, I know when I was married I used to eat the same size huge plates of food as my (ex)husband and of course I gained weight at a greater rate. maybe do 4:3 to kickc start things rather than worry too much about cutting down, I do think after a while of counting calories on the fast days, your head will shift it's thinking about what's ok to eat on non fast days. I use an app on my blackberry called fat secret by calorie counter, I imagine it's like my fitness pal, but really good for finding out cals and keeping track over the day. good luck, we all want you to succeed. my weight loss has been slow, I need to lose about 2 stone to get to the middle of healthy, but have only lost 8 pounds in 9 weeks (i started the day after the horizon programme)but this WOE feels so good, it has certainly stopped my slowly upward creeping weight, and turned it into a slowly downward creeping weight!

sexbomb just wanted to say sorry to hear you had bad news, but good news that this WOE persists despite all that! Hope things improve for you soon.

ThatBintAgain Wed 10-Oct-12 10:57:06

MikeOx - thank you, am just having some problems with DH at the moment which means that cooking and eating has fallen off the radar a bit. Hopefully things will sort themselves out soon.

Having a fast day today. If my BMR is 1600cals, should I be sticking to 400 cals? Would it matter if I had nothing other than soya milk in tea?

Breadandwine Wed 10-Oct-12 11:00:27

Yes, well done, sexbomb for not succumbing to previous temptation. [thumbsup]

This WOE is about taking control - and keeping hold of it!

TalkinPeace2 Wed 10-Oct-12 11:07:21

Thatbint
stress burns up calories - stick with the 500 and you'll be fine.

bunjies
if you are only 5'1" your AVERAGE diet should be of the order of 1900 calories a day - 2500 is for a six foot man ....
so if you are fasting two days a week, aim for 1800 on the other days (NO CRISPS, booze only 2 days a week for a start. NO CRISPS. Eat at meals NEVER in between, let alone after supper)

sexbomb
are you finding that being in control of food and therefore your physical self helps on dragging other things into control...?

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 10-Oct-12 11:14:52

Also have weighed in this morning and have lost just over 13lbs. yay smile

ThatBint just stick with 500 calories, I'm sure you'll be fine. I only brought up the 1/4 thing because someone was worried about not having made it to 500 calories on her fast day. I think it's not a big deal if you keep it between 4-500 calories, due to the 1/4 thing.

EnidNightshade Wed 10-Oct-12 11:19:03

Hi everyone, totally new to mumsnet... Have joined partly because I'm so impressed with this thread! Truly inspirational. Watched the horizon documentary, and, wow - definitely going to give it a go. I've just started a course of antibiotics, tho, so i think it'll be wise to wait till I'm properly well again (should be about a week).

In the meantime, I'll keep following along here vicariously and perfect my plan of action. I've already picked up some great tips smile I've invested in a jar of miso for soups - any other storecupboard essentials I should stock up on?

Thanks for sharing all your stories!

hoops997 Wed 10-Oct-12 11:31:41

Fast day for me today, I'm not going to eat until 5pm, I've tried splitting the 500 into 2 but found I was hungry and wanted more so going to wait and have a big meal later.

I have water and lovely lemon tea to help me through, am on week 4 now and fasting is a part of my life now.

My mother commenting on my weight loss the other day so that's spurred me on grin

Good luck to fellow fasters/eaters

green eggs YAY! nearly a stone, great progress, so good to hear.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 10-Oct-12 11:49:27

Welcome Enid
and WELL DONE people.
That is THE most impressive thing about this system - we are ALL benefiting despite the huge disparities in our reasons / needs / ages etc etc

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 12:14:04

Well, well done greeneggs thats fantastic..gringrin .How long have you been doing it now..? 'Ive totaly forgotten.. but I know i was here on the end of thread two so ill go and look ...Glad you dont have the the scale devil ..

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 12:26:05

ooh..... I was on thread One!! .. started August 20th so am in week 8 now .. its seems to have flashed by . and 12lbs down . grin

How do we ask mumsnet for a Happy bunny icon ?

Thelittlestranger Wed 10-Oct-12 13:00:15

Have to agree with the others and say 2500 is too much for feed days. I'm the same height and MFP reckons I should have 1200 calories per day to lose weight. So, by having a few days of 500 calories, does not increase that to 2500. Good luck!

Well done on more loss grreeneggs...

Halfway through a fast day here and haven't eaten anything. Looking forward to dinner though! May have a tomato and some olives shortly.

bunjies Wed 10-Oct-12 13:19:11

Thanks everyone.

I worked out what I ate on Sunday and yesterday (my last 2 non fast days) and as I suspected it was 2500 on Sunday and 2000 yesterday.

So, as advised by all of you I will try and keep to the 2000 on fast days. I am still going to do the extra mini fast on Weds by eating a normal dinner & nothing else and hopefully by the end of the month I will have seen some effect.

Thank you all for the metaphorical kick up the bum. I think I was burying my head in the sand by taking the "eat what you want" theme a bit too far. Must remember it's eat what you want not how much you want blush.

MikeO (love the name) - Would you mind giving me some idea of what you eat on a non-fast day, especially portion sizes? I don't have a problem sticking to the cals on fast days as we only have one meal a day it's on the non fast days I need reining in.

LookBehindYou Wed 10-Oct-12 13:36:20

Wow, did this only start in August??! In that case I only did it for 4 or so weeks before I stopped for a couple of weeks. So a 4kg loss is pretty damn good! I'm surprised I lost that much in the end because I was so dispirited with my weight fluctuating so much.

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 10-Oct-12 13:39:55

Laska I think we've been here the same amount of time. grin I started the day after I read about the Horizon special. I'm not really sure how long ago that was (6 weeks?) but the great thing about this WOE is that I'm not sitting here looking forward to when I've reached my goal so I can finally eat cheese again. smile Or whatever.

bunjies I'm doing 4:3, so I fast 3x a week, and it's working well for me. I don't count calories on non-fast days. I'd suggest trying to make your mini-fast day a proper fast day- I think with a bit of planning, you could just make it so that Weds dinner is something you could fast with (so, grilled protein of some sort, veg, not a lot of starches. Or soup and something, the rest of the family can have bread with theirs). 500 calories, if you leave them all for supper, leaves you with a decent amount of food. It's what I do on my fast days.

(just suggestions of course! Only you know what works for you. And I'm sorry that sounds so twee but it's true in terms of this WOE)

LookBehindYou Wed 10-Oct-12 13:41:06

Bunjes, I agree with those that suggested making a note of everything you eat. It's quite a shock when you take a good hard look at calories in butter, milk, handful of olives, walnuts, splash of olive oil etc. I couldn't believe how many calories are in a peach!

Breadandwine Wed 10-Oct-12 14:10:45

As well as the ADF, 4:3, 6:1 and 5:2 fasts, there's also the teethgrinder fast, of course. smile

This from urban_biker on the cycling ADF thread:

"In fact if you do a 600k every week then I doubt you'd need to fast. This variation is known as the teethgrinder fast and involves eating everything that stays still long enough for you to stick a fork in it while still being as thin as a rake." grin

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 14:20:41

bunjes are you on Myfitnesspal..? its very good and it keeps a track of the foods you have previously entered also.. I tend to eat the same kind of stuff all the time (i'm talking eating days here) so its useful to be able to just add them in again (checking portion sizes also) on eating days .. .. I'm sure you'll find you do also ..

As you said you are small, if I were you id reduce it a little more until you have got into real weight loss and try not to go above 1900 for the next few eating days and see if that starts something shifting . Once you know you are shifting a pound or two each week you can 'tweak it up a bit if you want. If you find it hard to lose (like I did until I discovered just how big my portion sizes were), you need to find your 'lose' point..

An easier way may just be a smaller plate? but you dont want to go hungry on an eating day.. but not be stuffed either ..

I don't want to be patronising (and sorry if it sounds so ) but maybe this guide to portion size may be useful...? I used to eat far too much ..

BrigitBigKnickers Wed 10-Oct-12 14:28:31

So am on my second fast day of the week-and really not finding it hard- have found the secret for me is to have a bi bag of cherry toms, carrot sticks and celery sticks which I graze on in the morning. Then a hearty soup for lunch (waitrose hearty chicken broth) and then an early tea with prawns and smoked salmon salad.

Have now lost 6lbs- not bad for three weeks!

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 14:32:27

BTW It says on that list 6-11 fist size potions of whole grains.. I WOULDNT have anything like that much !! I'm pretty sure that's a bad idea..

I go on all the time about DR John Briffas book ' Escape the diet trap' here (..and his blog) but I do recommend it for 'debunking' the way we have all been told to diet in the past ..
(Also he is very against too much in the way of grains and sugars .. I don't particularly low carb , but I have cut down a lot since reading this )

MikeOxardForHalloween Wed 10-Oct-12 14:35:51

Bunjies - I'm flattered to be asked that actually (I probably have the worst diet on here because I don't cook!) but I am losing weight. I can learn to cook when I'm slim! Erm, for breakfast I have either a slimfast (ready made - they are more filling and delicious than you would think)! or I have a slice of nimble toast (51cals) with a slice of low-cal cheese and a slice of wafer thin ham, that's maybe 120 cals altogether. Sometimes I might fry an egg in fry-light and have that on top, so that's 200cals in total. For lunch sometimes I have weightwatchers ready meals for between 200-350 cals, depending which one you have. Evening meal I might have a jacket potato - just 1 potato and not a massive one at that, and I'll have half a tin (or a bit less) of baked beans on top, half a small tin of sweetcorn, and then a bit of grated cheese on top. I also have tea throughout the day, but I use 1% milk (not gross like skimmed, it tastes just like semi skimmed, but half the fat and less calories), and a probiotic thing (actimel), and sometimes a few squares of dark choc (4 squares are 125 cals). Sometimes I have something naughtier, lol, but I always regret it so I'm reigning it in now.

Greeneggs - That's fab, well done!

Fast day for me today. Just had a ww curry, delish. I'm decorating a cake with dd later, practicing trying to make a castle cake for her 3rd birthday coming up. I have swiss rolls and ice-cream cones for turrets, which I'm going to cover in melted chocolate and coloured hundreds and thousands. Someone smack me for doing that on a fast day!

Laska42 Wed 10-Oct-12 14:40:32

MikeO consider yourself slapped.. you better let her lick the spoon and bowl..

mikeoxardFH smack

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 10-Oct-12 14:51:10

Oh you know what, I'll just say as a random tip. My first week or two doing this were spent eating very random foods on my non-fast days; I'm hardly going to pretend to be virtuous. grin But I can say what helped was to make a project out of the things I was craving. So if I wanted something sweet the next day, I'd get out a recipe book I'd been meaning to use (but was always put off by because hey, when you're mind is in 'diet' mode, you don't consider baking often outside of special occasions). Those first couple of weeks I made cinnamon buns (er, something like chelsea buns, but an American version) which I'd never made before, for example. And when I wanted a proper meal of some sort, I'd make it from scratch. etc.

I didn't scarf all the buns, we shared some with neighbours. smile My appetite did go down with time, as well. I just finding making foods from scratch helped me to do something with food, as well as think about what was going into it.

This having been said, I quite like cooking, and always have. It's the reason I doubt I'll ever low-carb long term; I enjoy baking bread and everything else far too much. But planning a fancier dinner than usual for the next day got me through a few of those grim first fast days.

(I still might do this sometimes, but now I don't always actually make the meal the next day. smile But I COULD, and that's why this WOE is so lovely)

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 10-Oct-12 15:02:02

MikeO your Halloween name made me laugh, only just noticed it. grin

mrsminerva Wed 10-Oct-12 15:32:51

Marking my place...

scattergun Wed 10-Oct-12 15:51:12

Like others a few posts back, I can't believe how long I've been doing it for - mostly because it hasn't seemed like an endless struggle and I'm not longing to reach the end point. A good thing, indeed.

mommybunny Wed 10-Oct-12 16:17:18

Hi all - checking in and seeing some great progress - well done all. I also see some disappointment and agree with all the suggestions about how to try to reverse it.

After my own disappointment yesterday (up 1 pound) I threw a little "food tantrum". DH was unexpectedly not home so I had no one to cook a "proper" meal for so I just ate what I fancied. A grilled cheese sandwich, a glass of wine, some dark chocolate and LOTS OF CRISPS. Felt a bit sick afterward if I'm honest. But I'm doing much better today - had some hummus and falafel and fried aubergine, which I LOVE and have always felt "when dieting" I couldn't touch, but I will have a small dinner tonight and then a good fast tomorrow. I took a walk at lunchtime and found a chop'd salad restaurant near my office where they have pre-made salads that tell you the calorie count. So I'm well prepared and no omelettes and toast for me this time!

I also do no exercise at all - I justify it by saying I have 2 DC and work FT with a long commute. My hours can be very erratic - every time I've started an exercise routine it's been blown out of the water by work commitments, and it takes me so long to get back on track even after the disruption ends. I also can't really run due to a minor medical condition which I won't go into. But I've taken steps today to rectify the medical condition, so that I can run, which is one exercise for some reason I had always liked doing in the past. I'm also going to look into spending the money on getting a personal trainer to come to my house a couple of times a week (maybe club together with some friends), as I do WFH 2 days a week. Maybe that will help me out of this rut.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 10-Oct-12 16:37:22

Mommy
A personal trainer is a BRILLIANT idea if you cannot get to a gym. THey will work wonders with you - once you stop walking like Frankenstein's monster after a session!

bunjies aside from the height, I could have written your post! As I posted a couple of days ago, I'm on my fourth week and so far have put weight on! Let's try and stick at it together - I have been having a think and unfortunately I do think I am binging on eating days, totally counterproductive and not helping my already fraught relationship with food...

marinake Wed 10-Oct-12 18:19:09

Hi all,
Haven't posted on here for a long time, but have read all threads.
I've been following this WOE since august and am now at the point where old jeans have started fitting again :D Really glad about it and am having a lot of fun rediscovering 'old' clothes.
Have gotten my sister hooked on it aswell, so nice to swap tips and share the pain when a fast day is for some reason hard.

Had a fast day today, beetroot salad for lunch and fish, veg and mash for dinner. I live in the Netherlands and my local supermarket does great pre-packaged foods with the calorie amount on the label. So most fast days go like a breeze!

Can't say how much I've lost in stone, but it's about 6kg.

Good luck everybody, keep up the good work!

Piebaldrider Wed 10-Oct-12 18:43:59

HI Laska 42

I don't think i wrote my post very well, i do eat my 500 calories on the tuesday ( or whatever day i am doing my little fast) but the point i was making to myself was that those 500 calories were spread over a period of 40 hours from my last meal to my next one with two periods of excersise in the middle . I just felt that falling off the wagon for a day wasnt the end of the world if you look at how long we do fast for. I think i was trying to justify it to myself and not get down about it . I did trip up but i am back on track and hope to stay that way with all the support we have here smile

ThatBintAgain Wed 10-Oct-12 18:59:47

Quick question- would you continue to fast on a day when you feel ill? I'm coming down with something and feel rotten; I've made it this far on 400cals so feels like a shame to waste it but also feeling a bit lightheaded and awful...

MikeOxardForHalloween Wed 10-Oct-12 19:09:33

Thank you! If anyone wants to see the cake, I've uploaded a picture. It's my first practise for dd's 3rd birthday. It's crap, lol. I said to her 'Do you want a different cake, do you want to choose one from the shop?', she said 'no I want that one'. Aw, I can't give her a cake looking like that for her birthday!!

There was much licking of fingers but I think I'm still within calorie limits today.

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 10-Oct-12 19:10:16

Bint I did yesterday (I've had a terrible cough for weeks now but this week I've got some kind of secondary infection which has brought in a fever and achiness). I feel better today, yesterday was just terrible and long and all I wanted to do was sink into the sofa with bad telly I didn't have to think about. Of course what I did have was a 3 yo who doesn't have preschool on Tuesdays so, well, it was a long day. grin

I did keep my fast day yesterday but it was perhaps particularly stubborn of me. I'd personally stick with it if you've made it to 7pm. 100 calories could get you a cup of soup or a hot chocolate or um, something along those lines. Something warm you can cuddle. smile

If you decide to break the fast well, it's not the end of the world. smile I'm just stubborn!

MikeOxardForHalloween Wed 10-Oct-12 19:11:21

Thatbint I would probably give in tbh! Unless you are thinking to do it tomorrow instead in which case, no, don't waste it, just stick it out and go to bed ASAP. Hope you feel better soon. x

Sputnik Wed 10-Oct-12 20:46:02

I would say that not fasting a day is totally not the end of the world, the way I see this is I'm in it for life, skipping a day is neither here nor there, as long as I go back to it.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Wed 10-Oct-12 21:18:51

Fast day today, my dad has catastrophically fallen off the wagon but I've managed ok so far - except we went out for lunch, I had salad with a few grilled veg, but drenched in vinaigrette - any ideas for calories?!

hoops997 Wed 10-Oct-12 21:32:55

I've fasted today and only had 178 cals, I really haven't fancied anything else other than my leek and potato soup and 2 ryvita.

Going to bed soon, looking forward to eating day tomorrow smile

Hi everyone, feeders,fasters,losers,gainers.

Fast day yesterday and found it very hard, funny how out of the blue things can suddenly jump up and bite you in the arse. Got through it OK but surprised how difficult it was at times.

About a month ago ordered the Alternate Day Diet book by James Johnson on Amazon and it finally turned up this afternoon, I think they were taken by surprise and sold out or something. Half way through it at the mo and to be honest most of the stuff in it has already been said on here or is sourcable by the links Greeneggs has at the top of the thread. If you haven't seen the Horizon programme then it might be worth reading but Mosely's programme says it well.

Fasting day again tomorrow so hoping things go bit easier. For me the thing that gets me through a 'fast day crisis' is the thought of how good breakfast will taste the following morning smile Roll on Friday morning!!!!!!

Hope everything goes great for all tomorrow be you fasting, feeding or undecided wink

awaywego1 Wed 10-Oct-12 22:29:30

Only managing one fast day this week as I'm visiting a friend for a few days but have really noticed the past couple of days that my appetite has reduced so am feeling a lot more in control of my eating.
Going to try to eat sensibly whilst I'm away and plan next weeks fasts well.

TellMeLater Wed 10-Oct-12 22:32:04

Another Fast day draws to an end. This one was very hard, usually I was incredibly hungry this morning, hunger eased in the evening but I think I probably wen over my calorie intake by 50 or there abouts - just really pleased I got through it.

Not lost much weight, maybe 2lbs over the 8 weeks but I am supposed to be in maintenance anyway, not much hope of me fading away so much that I need to shift it to a one day a week fast.

poachedeggs Thu 11-Oct-12 07:15:52

Well that's me finished week 6, fast day twelve ( 11 of which were successful!). I can't remember my starting weight exactly but I know I've lost at least 8lbs, and I think it's probably more like 10lbs. An awful lot more to go but a great start!

I'm not posting much because my phone hates bigtthreads ,but I'm here smile

mistlethrush Thu 11-Oct-12 07:23:41

two and a half weeks in, 4 lbs down (which is a record for me)

Is it very bad that I weighed myself thus morning? I only started on Monday blush

If the scales are right I have already lost 2lb though so very pleased.

TellMeLater Thu 11-Oct-12 08:06:24

I think it's fine to weigh yourself everyday as long as you do it first thing in the morning before eating and you accept that weight fluctuations are very variable and dependent on fluid levels in the body. Dh fasted yesterday and gained 1lb in weight!

frenchfancy Thu 11-Oct-12 08:55:49

Fast day today. Due to various things including friends visiting I have done a full fast day for a week, but I have done 2 half fast (so like a normal fast day until 6pm then eat and drink normally). I haven't lost weight this week, but more importantly I haven't gained any either, so the half fasts are obviously enough for weigh maintenance.

I have alot of physical work to do today so don't know how I will cope with the fast, we'll have to see.

Laska42 Thu 11-Oct-12 08:57:57

fast day again... 3rd this week , Sun Tues and now today .. lLast night I was roaming round the house looking for something salty .. , found a lurking (and quite small 38g) packet of spicy crisps in the cupboard (left over from last christmas probably) 400cals shock!!....I've been known to eat two of those before in an evening with wine and not even look at the calories .. No wonder i got fat..

Anyone else been getting cramp? I've been suffering terribly these last week or so especially thigh and hips.. . I wonder if i need more Marmite! (does it work of is Marmite just my folk remedy?.. I've always understood that was lack of salt and certain vitamins that could cause cramp.. I certainly drink enough water so not dehydrated ) .

I'm asking here because as cyclistist sdays we seem to be the fount of all knowledge here between us grin

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 09:02:31

I thought cramp was dehydration or low potassium. Isn't that how the whole 'eat a banana' appeared? Unscientific, as ever.

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 09:04:28

Day after fast day I always want toast with marmite for breakfast, though am resisting so far! inga I weigh myself most days but only count my Monday weigh in as my 'official' one.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 09:30:41

Curry and beer last night, Definitely a "feast" day.

Thelittlestranger Thu 11-Oct-12 09:32:39

Inga, it's fine to weigh yourself whenever you're happy with doing it! Personally, I was developing a bit of a fixation so have hidden my scales in my OH's car and after the first few days I now don't even think about it. I'm keeping an eye on things with the gym scales...

Finished fast day yesterday, found it fairly easy. Had to munch on some tomatoes to get me through to dinner...

Aftereights - I have just eaten (and thoroughly enjoyed) vegemite on toast. It's my absolute favourite breakfast and three days of the week now I don't have it because of this WOE. So this morning I indulged.

I'm off to the gym today, and have planned toad in the hole for tea. Nom. Love that I can enjoy it, knowing I'm going to fast for most of the day tomorrow on my half fast. I have definitely found doing 2 and half fasts a week works for me over the last two weeks.

trills I had curry and wine last night, was a feast day, but I feel a bit guilty, a friend came over and wanted to get a takeaway, tried to steer it to turkish and therefore grilled chicken and salad, but he wasn't to be swayed, we shared a chicken jalfrezi - I had about 1/4 and half a sag paneer, half a garlic naan, 1 samosa and half a popadom.....damn damn damn

I'm fasting today, but just have the feeling that I'll be lucky if by friday weigh in I will even have lost the 2 pound birthday gain from last week now.....

oh well, we shall see, at least fasting today, maybe I'll throw in an extra fast on sunday as the kids at their dad's this weekend.

enjoy your day all

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 09:57:23

Why would you feel guilty? That might not be the ideal dinner for every night, but I thought that the point of the fasting days was that you didn't have to restrict your calories all the time and so if you have a special occasion (like, er, Wednesday smile ) you can have a curry and not worry about it.

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 10:29:42

thelittlestranger I've caved & had toast & marmite yum. I especially love my genius gluten free seeded loaf for added crunch! Thinking about lunch already but no interest in cakes I was craving yesterday on fast day.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 10:43:58

If you are on an eating day it's not called "caving", it's called "having breakfast".

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 10:49:58

I know but I wasn't hungry so I was trying to think like a thin person & only eat when I was hungry but the thought of toast & marmite was just too strong. Got a long way to go before I think like a thin person.....

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 10:53:02

Look, I have lost 11 pounds in six weeks doing 5:2. I haven't calories counted on eating days. Yesterday I had a cheese scone and jam, cereal bar, soup, cheese sandwich etc. at the weekend I had beer a curry, crisps, steak etc

The whole point of this is that you incorporate it into your life forevermore. This is why I won't do 4:3 - because for me if round be similar to crash dieting, too onerous, too miserable. Thus us why I do not count calories on eating days either - you cannot live the rest of your life like that.

Do your fasts. Try not to be greedy on eating days. Take the long view. That's my advice.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 10:54:54

The only reason to count calories on a feast day is if you believe that you have previously been eating a very "wrong" amount - if you have been massively overeating or if you have been on low-calories diets for so long that you don't know what "eating a normal amount" feels like.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Thu 11-Oct-12 11:24:29

Good post AboutLastNight

My whole "thinking like a thin person" only comes into play naturally if I know I'm going out for dinner or something, have found I am fine eating quite lightly during the day knowing it means I can have whatever I want for my dinner out.

I'm also not calorie counting at all on feast days, think I could otherwise become obsessed and I'm trying to make this a true WOE for life

mistlethrush Thu 11-Oct-12 11:29:22

Aftereights - you know what a thinperson would have thought? 'I fancy a piece of toast and marmite...'

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 11:37:32

Of course a fat person might have thought exactly the same smile

Breadandwine Thu 11-Oct-12 11:37:51

Here's a very interesting article on Rapid weight loss I came across on Fasting Connection

This links to a Horizon thread I began on there a while back (before I found Mumsnet! smile )

My worst time in terms of - well, guzzling for want of a better word - is late at night. I stay up very late, often it's 2am or later before I go to bed.

The trouble is I get hungry (not on my fast days, funnily enough) and I almost always have something interesting on the stove (lentil and potato curry, ATM, which is one of my favourites).

So before I know it, I have the pan in front of me and I'm reaching for the bottle of (homemade) red. I'm aware I don't need to lose any more weight (I've recently - this week, changed to 6:1), but I don't want to put any on, either.

I'm lucky in that I can eat a good meal before bed and sleep like a top. Last week I ate what was supposed to be the next days's dinner - at 2 in the morning!

To compensate, I've realised a short fast following any binge eating, should balance things out a bit.

So I won't eat until dinner tonight, when I'll have a normal meal.

As others have said many times - no guilt on this WOE! smile

Best wishes to all! Losers! grin

Ps. I've posted those links on the Tips and Links thread.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 11:44:48

Yes, my plan is to do 5:2 and then drop to 6:1 when I've reached the weight I want to be. I don't mind it coming off slowly because I know it'll be less likely to come back (plus I'm not technically overweight, just over the weight I want to be).

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 11:46:02

That was a yes to going to 6:1 when reaching goal.

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 11:50:01

My problem is (&which is why I want to try & think like a slim person) is that I'm 6 stone overweight. Clearly I've been over eating for a long time. Last thursdsay I stopped counting when I got to 3000 calories which is why today I was attempting to eat only when hungry.

I've now got mfp so far easier to monitor what I'm actually eating. I'm doing 4:3 as may need knee & hip replacements soon & want to be in reasonable shape for any ops I need. Will then go to 5:2 when I've lost 4stone in total though I've lost 17 lbs so far.

bunjies Thu 11-Oct-12 11:56:22

I'm sorry aboutlastnight but I don't think that post was very helpful. If you read a bit further up thread you'll see your approach doesn't always work. Some of us are struggling to understand what does work and whilst I am happy for you that you've lost weight it can be hard to hear when you've lost none.

On a more positive note I only ate about 550 cals on my half fast day yesterday. It was wholewheat pasta & pesto but I thought i'd better weigh out a 200g portion instead of just piling my bowl up. Used a breakfast bowl as well so psychologically it looked a lot. Had some choc & a glass of milk to finish. Also had teas/coffees during the day with milk.

Back on regular fast day today and looking forward to dinner! I got the hairy bikers diet recipe book and they've got some great recipes. I made the jambalaya for Mondays fast and made enough for 2 meals so we've got it tonight too. Even the dcs liked it.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 12:03:46

That's why saying on a feast day eat a normal amount or on a feast day eat whatever you like is not very helpful.

It might be that your "normal amount" is far too much because you have been overeating for a long time, or it might be that your "normal amount" is actually too little because you have spent a long time on diets where you have to eat not very many calories every day.

I think including a mention of BMR in the first post was a good idea, but it was presented in a slightly misleading way. I guess ideally on a feast day we would eat approximately our energy expenditure for that day. Not much more and not much less. Definitely not below our BMRs (BMR = how many calories would you use if you were in a coma)

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 12:06:45

Perhaps as I have always been a three meals a day plus the odd treat person, I fon't have much experience of consistent overeating/dieting and how that can skew your perception of what 'normal' eating is.

But I don't think you should over complicate this either. low carbing or agonising over whether to eat 1500 or 1700 calories on a normal day seems miserable. But if someone is eating 3000 on a normal day then I can see that calorie counting is necessary as no one will lose weight with that level of consumption.

I also wouldn't refer to a normal eating day as a 'feast' day - that seems to be getting into binge/ starve territory.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 12:20:45

Unfortunately "eat like you are a person of a healthy weight who is not trying to lose weight or gain weight and does not obsess over food" day is not very catchy smile

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 12:24:32

That's the thing though isn't it? A slim person eats when they are hungry whereas I can eat wherever, whenever & whatever!

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 12:25:19

And that's why I HAVE to change my mindset.

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 12:33:38

Yes, I think changing your mindset takes time and perseverance. I also think you have to be a bit forgiving - so if a day doesn't go well then you just chalk it up to experience and move on.

Thing is, it's not physiological, it's all in your head. My extra eating is s about stress ( exam coming up) tiredness ( hZve been on nightshift want some comfort food to make it all better) and the thrill of the forbidden ( a cheese scone with butter and jam) so I suppose it takes time to adjust these patterns and not see food as the answer to emotional difficulties.

Easier said than done!

mommybunny Thu 11-Oct-12 12:50:10

Hi all - I'm on a fast today and about to hit my 16 hours (last food I had was a bit of dark chocolate at about 9 last light). I'm dying to go get some lunch (a salad from chop'd) but I'm waiting for a work call that I must not miss if it comes, but equally it may never come hmm. So my fast could go on a long time! Oh well, best not to think about it...

Good luck all today!

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 12:52:05

Why would you have jam on a cheese scone?

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 11-Oct-12 12:59:13

yep. I only even included the BMR mention in the OP because people constantly ask. I can leave it out next time, or someone else can if they start the next thread. It's just there as a guideline. I put it there as a starting point for figuring out what your actual calories are for a day; if you visit the link, there's a further link for where you can take that number and add your physical activity etc to figure out how many more calories you can have. It could be a couple hundred calories more than your BMR. It could be more. It could be very close to your BMR. If a person just wakes up, sits on the couch and watches TV all day, they really aren't going to burn a whole lot more than their BMR.

The problem with coming into these things is we look at it from our own perspective, if you're active, you're thinking like an active person. If you don't eat much, then you're wondering why someone else doesn't just eat normally. etc. We have to do some thinking for ourselves here, and get guidance when needed. People in this thread are, overall, very happy to give tips about what works for them.

However, at the end of the day, it is all about what works for us as individuals. I'm doing 4:3, it doesn't feel like a crash diet to me grin but evidently it does to some others. I'll switch to 5:2 at some point, but I'm pleased with my progress and I'm not struggling to keep doing it.

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 12:59:29

It is a taste sensation.

Did you never have cheese and jam sandwiches as a child ?

<slowly realises why she is a stone overweight>

Aftereightsaremine Thu 11-Oct-12 13:03:37

Yes I know it's in my head. I used to exercise 4-5 times a week & ate what I liked. I just didn't readjust my eating habits when the RA got so bad, hence putting on weight because it was like I didn't care. Now however the fact that I may need 4 ops makes me realise that I do not want to go into surgery being so large. So onwards & downwards!

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 11-Oct-12 13:04:13

lol about

Cheese is great with quince jam so I imagine it'd be nice with other jams. Also, cheese melted on apple pie is quite nice. Not that I've had it in many, many years. sad

Hi Laska

Yeah I've been getting a few twinges of cramp recently too but mainly when out on two wheels. I put it down to low salt (sodium/potassium etc) levels as well. I reckon on the whole this WOE seems to lead you to a fairly healthy intake of salt but if you exercise and are doing ADF or 4:3 one might be slightly too low over all. The only change I've made is not making such an effort to avoid salt on feeding days as I did b4. Before following this WOE I had high blood pressure so tried to keep salt as low as poss and it wasn't always that easy.

On the subject of crisps...as a fellow Chillihead I recommend Nandos Hot Peri Peri ones, I usually pick up a bag or two from the Newsagents on a Non low cal day smile ...but not today as like you, fasting today.

Good luck and hope the day goes well for all, off for a brew now

Breadandwine Thu 11-Oct-12 13:07:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 13:07:39

Oh

And Wensleydale with fruit cake.

I wish we had a drooling emoticon.

Am on a fast day though sad

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 11-Oct-12 13:15:37

Bread I think she was referring to someone else.

Also, it's come up before, but the idea of not eating much (or, this sort of "fast"- eating very low calorie) the day after eating too much is probably why thin people stay that way. So many of us have been told to never skip breakfast etc that it's never occurred to use that it might actually be healthy to do so sometimes. Our bodies don't really need a constant supply of food. Sometimes they need a rest from it, as the scientific evidence in the articles shows.

Breadandwine Thu 11-Oct-12 13:20:30

Well, what a numpty I am. Sorry bunjies, I read "aboutlastnight" and thought you were referring to my earlier post! (Wondered why there were no spaces?? confused )

Please ignore my last post (I'll report it and get it withdrawn)

blush

Foreversmiling Thu 11-Oct-12 13:24:01

Hi everyone, has anybody considered doing a detox? I've just finished a 9 day one, it was really easy, lost half a stone and several inches and feel absolutely amazing to have got rid of all those toxins...my hair, skin and nails are great and my energy levels and mood are fantastic!! So much so that I am now recommending to everyone I see ;)

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 13:26:02

The people who say "I won't have much for dinner tonight because I had a big lunch". Those people.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 13:27:25

feel absolutely amazing to have got rid of all those toxins

I have a working liver. Therefore I am not full of toxins to begin with.

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 14:28:01

mmm yum, cheese and fig jam. Calcium and fruit - very healthy no? <sigh>

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 14:29:25

Trills, me too. Don't really understand these detoxes. If you need it, you're very ill.

Trills Thu 11-Oct-12 14:35:53

OK, maybe some cheese and jam works. But only quite specific combinations.

Piebaldrider Thu 11-Oct-12 14:51:04

I cant manage cheese and Jam together any more than i can eat peanut butter and jam together but i do like tomatoes with peanut butter on toast and i love marmite and cheese.

Seems we are all having up and down days and lack of weight loss or weight gain is de motivating but i say ditch the scales and use a tape measure or your clothes to see how much you are really losing. I don't care if i weigh 50 stone as long long as i look like i only weigh ten.

Sometimes our body's hold fluids and that can make a huge difference on the scales until we get rid of it.

People who stop losing weight are very often not eating enough and their body's have gone into starvation mode others just have a slower metabolism and need less calories overall . At the minute i eat whatever i want on a non fast day and have broken my fast a couple of times but my clothes are still getting looser. However i will also add that on non fasting days my appetite has changed and i have days where i chose healthy or small portions because that's what i want. Today is non fast but i haven't eaten anything OTT but i have just popped a piece of chocolate in my mouth because i found it in the cupboard and i have no regrets i loved it .

Fasting again tomorrow but that's it until Monday which is just as well as i am competing Sunday and may struggle if fasting.

Health happiness laughter and weight loss to all.

MikeOxardForHalloween Thu 11-Oct-12 14:55:48

Lol trills you do make me laugh! What do you mean by detox foreversmiling? I did the Carol Vorderman detox once (once sucessfullly, and several times I started for a few days/week but couldn't stick to it). It is soooooo good for you, I lost quite a bit of weight, and it cleared my acne right up (I had it bad at the time - main reason I did it as I was slim then anyway), I felt bloody amazing. BUT it was soooooo hard to stick to, you can't eat any of the crap stuff I normally eat, basically it's veg, fruit, rice cakes and humous - totally vegan and no bread, no wheat pasta, no white rice. It's only a 4 week thing, but they are 4 very long weeks! I am sticking to 4:3 for now thank you very much!

Eat day here, skipped breakfast cos I was busy, then had lunch out - chicken burger and chips. I ate sooo much less of it than I normally would though as I got so full up. I didn't even consider pudding either even though they have some really yummy chocolate ones.

mommybunny Thu 11-Oct-12 14:57:42

Finally was able to grab lunch - the wait for my call helped me push my fast out! If you're in London, I recommend chop'd for their salads - they all come with calorie counts so you can see right away how much you're consuming, and they're all made with fresh ingredients. I had the Thai chicken and mango meze with sweet chili dressing - came in at 247 calories. I feel content but not full. And smug that my salad gave me 3 of my 5-a-day grin.

And put me in the "cheese and jam can be heavenly" camp. Though I didn't always hold that view - I remember my mother once giving me a sandwich with American cheese (or "pasteurized process cheese food" as it's required by law in the US to be called - tells you a lot about it right there!) and strawberry jam that was absolutely disgusting.

frenchfancy Thu 11-Oct-12 15:07:45

I now have a craving for a cheese scone with quince and apple jelly (currently being cooked on the stove).

Will have to wait until tomorrow naturally.

MikeOxardForHalloween Thu 11-Oct-12 15:09:27

Fab link breadandwine, thanks for that, very interesting.

I am in the cheese and jam is an abomination camp! Bleugh, what are you all thinking?! Wierdos! x

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 15:17:38

The jam has to be reasonably sharp - our local coffee shop makes huge cheese scones and home made raspberry jam to go with them.

< downs yet another black coffee with Truvia>

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Thu 11-Oct-12 15:28:13

Oh my god wendesleydale!!! I haven't had it for so long I've forgotten how to spell it...I miss British cheese! My parents brought some halloumi over because it's do frigging expensive and rare here, and we keep having vegetarians over for BBQs.

Funny the difference in attitudes to food AND words - I tend to call them feast days because feed or eat days sound more like the binge/starvation cycle, feast sounds like enjoying food! Personal preference....

I definitely need to change my mindset about eating more in one meal a day. Finding, for the first time in my life, that I can eat frugally during the day if I know I'm having a big evening meal, the opposite is really hard! It's like as soon as I've eaten my mind just says brilliant, we're binging all day - no matter how full I am. I find fast days much easier if I put off eating til later in the day.

Despite my parents both doing this they've arrived and think I'm starving myself, purely because I've mainly been doing 4:3, but I've lost max 1lb/week and feel much better for it - the last two weeks when I've done 5:2 the gap has ended up being 4-5 days between fasts and I've massively over eaten (feeling sick and uncomfortably full) on the final day. Wondering if I can find a way of maintaining this by doing several 16hour fasts a week rather than 6:1?

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Thu 11-Oct-12 15:29:34

Cheese and marmite is the food of the gods - especially if it's a toastie

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 15:32:09

<gibber>

<drools>

TellMeLater Thu 11-Oct-12 16:02:44

Manchego cheese and quince jam on a lump of crusty bread is very lovely. Blue cheese works well with a damson jam. Philly and strawberry jam - I am fond of mixing savoury with sweet.

I call the days I'm not fasting up days, sometimes feed days, feast days, binge days..... I'm not sensitive about the semantics unless someone tells me I must refer to how I eat by their name. - Diet for me is just the way I eat - it doesn't mean low cal or following a particular regime - but it seems to hold a deeply negative vibe for many.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 11-Oct-12 16:03:55

Fasting today.
Coffee, tea and a bowl of home made (Delia's Tomato and basil recipe) soup for lunch.

Cheese is wonderful - in moderation.
I had to each myself that a 400g pack of cheshire cheese WAS NOT A SNACK !!!

And "think like a thin person"
I LOVE curry, I LOVE Chinese, BUT : I always get a set menu now as then the portions and flavour balance is controlled for you .....
Eating out at lunchtime - have two starters or as a really light lunch, just one.

Basically I have one tiny / liquid meal a day (tea and OJ - breakfast)
one small meal a day (single slice sarnie or two eggs on a slice of toast or soup - lunch)
one proper meal a day (supper - varies)
no snacks at all between meals
and booze only at the weekends (except the sneaky small nightcap last night .....)

Alaska77 Thu 11-Oct-12 16:52:03

Hi All, fast day for me today and nothing but water so far. Not that that was the plan, it's just been a really busy day and I haven't had much opportunity to think about food. Small portion of Quorn bolognese for tea tonight and looking forward to a nice porridge breakfast tomorrow.

Yuck to cheese and jam, yuck to cheese and marmite but yes to cheese on it's own! Yarg, brie and camembert are my faves. I had a wonderful lunch in the South of France once of a whole baked camembert with honey, yum yum. I've tried to recreate it lots of times at home but never with the same success. Perhaps something to do with the fact that I don't eat it outdoors at a cafe overlooking the French countryside. Hmnn.

FWIW I'm doing a mixture of 4:3 and 5:2 depending on what my week looks like. Sometimes on eat/feed/feast days I massively overeat, others I eat a sensible quantity of sensible foods and other times I undereat on those days, simply because my schedule is crazy. It all evens out in the end. I've no idea how much weight I've lost (been doing this since 10th September and don't have scales) but I can tell you that I'm wearing a pair of trousers today that I haven't got into for a while. Ok, they're a tad on the snug side but I feel good nonetheless!

Happy fasting and feasting x

Laska42 Thu 11-Oct-12 17:00:19

hi all some interesting conversations today ..though a bit too much yummy food mentioned for this fasting girl liking today ..

Look, you lot, its OK when I do it ,see?, but not you.. OK? grinwink

but anyway.. cheese and jam? ( ridiculous!) although DH likes it ( but he's mad anyway.. look who he married ) .

Cheese and pickle is MUCH more the thing ..
Peanut butter (crunchy of course) and Marmite is also fabfab fabby .. especially also with cottage cheese and celery in a sarnie

Cyclistist i've PMd you.. (its a secret chilli thing for cyclists only , you otherssmile)

Re cramp... I thought potassium also , but the lady in H&B today said magnesium .. so i got some of that..wondering also about calcium .. will have to do some research ..

But I had another leg cramp and back spasm in my local village Co-op just now.. it nearly felled me and I swore out load thinking I was just about to drop me eggs and milk on the floor . Half the shop turned round .. I had to mumble 'Sorry! back spasm!' , whilst still clinging desperately onto the dairy shelf , off of which I couldn't physically peel myself for minute or so.. One worker tried to help me up and all I could do was cry out 'NO please leave me alone' before it did it again ..

So now they think I'm a mad old woman and ill probably be banned.. and its 12 miles to the next supermarket from here ..

Bggr the fast today .. I need winewine..... but its 5pm... I cant cave in now

MikeOxardForHalloween Thu 11-Oct-12 17:23:42

Oooooooooooh I really, really fancy a cheese and pickle sarnie now! It is an eat day but I haven't got any pickle, boooo. Marmite is for consumption on its own - well with butter, but definately not with cheese, that's just rank! Dh really needs to come home now so I can go to the shop for some pickle without dragging the kids out in the rain, it's absolutely peeing down. Hmm, maybe I'll just have a cheese and ham...

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 18:15:12

Fast day today and no idea what to eat tonight. Can't even be bothered. My breakfast tomorrow will be marmite toast soldiers with boiled egg. Yeah!

TalkinPeace2 Thu 11-Oct-12 18:21:40

Do a hot salad - lettuce, peppers, scallions, hard boiled egg, capers, olives, maybe a bit of tuna
ie a Niceoise without the potatoes or dressing - make it look BEAUTIFUL

Mintyy Thu 11-Oct-12 18:41:41

Every fast day at about this time I think ...aaarrrggghhh I can't do it!

But I can and I do grin.

Its the craving for wine that's really bothersome, tbh.

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 18:52:37

Hmm, yes I could do that Talkin - thanks!
And then I'm pretty sure I'd have enough calories left over to have a big glass of wine.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 11-Oct-12 18:54:23

mm quince jam. No idea where I'd get some here.

Fast day, going fine as still no taste buds. grin Wouldn't taste that hypothetical cheddar and quince cracker anyway.

Laska Oh that sounds horrible! I've a history of back trouble (herniated disc when I was young, had back surgery about ten years ago to fix it) so I can empathise. It does just strike you, and you can't move because it's your back, not like one foot or something which you could just take the weight off of. I hope you're feeling better soon.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 11-Oct-12 18:59:46

Look If you POSSIBLY can, save those empty wine calories for another night - bulk up the salad with some extra veg, tuna and maybe a parmesan shaving - proper nutritious calories

tummy rumbling now

Laska
Do you do Pilates .....

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 19:27:22

I was teasing Talkin and meant to add a winky symbol. I'm supping on a glam miso soup and reading bread recipes.

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 19:29:02

Laska this doesn't sound good - especially the back spasm. Is it worth getting checked out for a kidney infection?

TellMeLater Thu 11-Oct-12 19:29:34

I always read recipes on a fast day - no idea why I torture myself like that.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 11-Oct-12 19:37:15

I look at recipes on fast days as well. grin It does often result in something special on the menu the next day.

Talk of all this cheese has led me to add some to my salad tonight. Good thing I save my calories for late in the day. smile

AGeeksWife Thu 11-Oct-12 19:40:30

Urgh, worst fast day so far, I thought they'd get easier, not harder! I've been ravenous and headachy all day, maybe the weather.

Just had my tea and belly still rumbling, I've never heard noises like it! Got yogurt left to go so fingers crossed its the most filling yogurt I've ever had.

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 19:40:33

Tomorrow I'm going to make lamb and spinach curry and chappatis. I found some genuine wafer thin samosa pastry too and am very excited.

Sputnik Thu 11-Oct-12 19:40:33

Yes yes to cheese and honey, it has to be strong cheese. My DH makes cheese and honey pizza, it's divine. A yes yes also to peanut butter and marmite. With coffee. I would have some tomorrow but I had to ban peanut butter from the house for my own safety. I wonder if I got some now whether I could practice moderation.
Laska, hope the cramps go, sounds awful.
Another fast day is drawing to a close here, not felt hungry really but for some reason a metallic taste in my mouth all day really bothered me.

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 19:43:28

sputnik what kind of cheese for the pizza? How much honey? Details please!

TalkinPeace2 Thu 11-Oct-12 19:44:01

Look Tee hee - I saved some of yesterday's calories for a manhattan! Todays extra went on parma ham chopped into my baked beans ...
Tomorrow is pizza and red wine!

Interestingly am using MyFitnessPal to track and because of my swim my net calories for the day are ..........53 !! Yeah right .

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 11-Oct-12 19:44:17

Oh that sounds lovely LBY. Since doing this diet I've tried making my own wontons, which I quite enjoyed (and not particularly calorific, lots of veg in them, water chesnuts for crunch, turkey mince for meat), homemade samosas (all veg, can't say those weren't calorific though!) as well as lots of new breads.

Cheese and honey pizza? I'll need to google that! I've been doing a lot of my own pizza dough lately.

Sputnik Thu 11-Oct-12 19:44:31

Geekswife I've been doing this a while and occasionally have a really hard day sometimes. A couple of times I figured out I had eaten quite a lot the previous day and that was maybe why. Other times maybe stress or tiredness, but on the whole it does get easier.

Sputnik Thu 11-Oct-12 19:49:44

DH's pizza was so popular he blogged about it, here: geommm-bees.posterous.com/pizza-with-honey
Enjoy (not on a fast day obv.!)

LookBehindYou Thu 11-Oct-12 19:51:21

GreenEggs I'm going through Delias bread recipes in her vegetarian book at the moment. They turn out really well.

AGeeksWife Thu 11-Oct-12 20:16:47

Thanks Sputnik, this is my 6th fast so still quite early days, just got to keep thinking that what I can eat tomorrow makes it worthwhile!

Piebaldrider Thu 11-Oct-12 20:16:59

OMG cheese and honey thats just not normal , i have a big jar of honey i was given and due to its weight loss properties i so want to eat it but i cant even take the lid of the very thought yuk.
Mintyy your craving is my craving and its hard, when things are tough i allaow my self one small glass on a fast day and go straight to bed so i dont have another. It hasnt affected anything as yet , and while i can get away with it i will (:

Just ate two slices of toast with crunchy peanut butter for my evening meal ( not a fast day) about to top it off with a large pinot grigio . Fasting tomorrow hmm

Aboutlastnight Thu 11-Oct-12 20:22:47

Feta cheese and honey is bloody gorgeous.

Bordercollielover Thu 11-Oct-12 20:27:40

Re cramp, I have also heard that lack of magnesium can be a cause of cramps and that you can buy a magnesium spray to put directly onto the muscle. Not tried it yet and my own night leg cramps have eased but suffered badly for about three weeks.

Aftereights: I started this with 4 stones to lose and have now lost about 1.5 stones. I think I understand what you are saying about mind changing, but just wanted to share with you that I have found this WOE has done the mind changing for me. Don't know how, don't know why but my whole food/ overeating/cravings etc etc has changed on my eating days without me having to do any conscious mind changing at all. Previously I had brief gaps between eating rather than meals and just ate anything too slow to escape until I felt physically stuffed . Now I detest that feeling . The only thing I try to do on eating days is to eat a lot of vegetables, if I want chips, buns, cheese etc too I have that as well.
So, can't remember how long you have been doing this for, but I would be hopeful that if you stick with 4:3 for a few more weeks it will all sort itself out.

Sputnik Thu 11-Oct-12 20:36:58

Well I never claimed to be normal! grin

Skinnyeye Thu 11-Oct-12 22:05:56

Hi losers,gainers and those in between. I have suffered terrible night cramps for years and initially on 5:2 thought I had found a miracle cure but over the last 2 weeks they have returned with a vengeance. Will be looking into the magnesium spray as the quinine tablets are not cutting it anymore. Fast day today and it's gone well. Heading to bed now very tired and hoping for no cramps!
Does anybody know how many calories in quinine sulphate tablets lol

TalkinPeace2 Thu 11-Oct-12 22:22:11

(Skinny) How horrible for you.
What exercises do you do to stretch your muscles before bed and ensure your circulation is working well?
As the weight loss kicks in you may find it changing because your sleeping positions will change as your body gets smaller.

mommybunny Thu 11-Oct-12 22:42:48

I got through today's fast much better than my recent ones - that salad at lunch really helped. I also torture myself looking at recipes and watching food tv on my fast days, though I also do that on my non-fast days!

Looking forward to not fasting tomorrow! Have a great night all...

rachelblythe Thu 11-Oct-12 22:43:15

Laska - strangely today I too have been suffering with cramp, but luckily its only in my toes, still unpleasant though. Hopefully you don't suffer any more. I always thought cramp was down to dehydration, but I have still drunk a decent amount of water today. Keep us informed on the cramps smile

HappyOrchid Thu 11-Oct-12 23:24:36

Golly Gosh this thread moves fast. Thanks Green Eggs for setting up.

OK so Week 9 and yesterdays fast turned into eating 1450 calories. So have fasted today and will do Saturday.

At the end of Week 7 I had lost 6lb, but at weigh in at end of Week 8 having had 3 successful fast days & not gone mad on eat days, BUT done no exercise and gained 1lb. I do weigh most days and so far this week nil loss. More than a little depressing. I think my metabolism has adjusted to 4:3 and I will now maintain despite being about 10lb heavier than is reasonable sad

Will try to go to gym over weekend, but off to Italy next week and Czech Republic week after which is bound to put spanner in works. Would like to be 7lb lighter by time go on holiday on Boxing Day - is that shallow?

Also blood pressure remaining normal and blood sugars even on fast days in normal range. (Benefits of having DH with blood pressure monitor and FIL and sister with diabetes)

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 12-Oct-12 03:04:36

Oh god cramps sound awful skinny and laska no suggestions except some gentle yoga or Pilates to realign maybe? Or are you carrying lots of stress in your jaw? All interconnected

Been picking all evening (non fast day) which is so annoying - but did some emergency clothes shopping and have gone down a dress size! So so chugged especially as I've only lost 3lb in 4weeks and had a blow out week last week of epic alcoholic proportions....

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 12-Oct-12 03:05:13

Er, chuffed

Not chugged

Fecking phone

Aftereightsaremine Fri 12-Oct-12 05:56:40

Border thanks being doing this since beginning of August so hoping the mindset will come. Have done lots of diets & this is by far the easiest.

Laska I second trying Pilates but maybe speak to your GP first.

Skinny maybe try a vitamin supplement.

Apologies but had done a very detailed reply to you all last night but it seems to have disappeared! So this is shortened version.

frenchfancy Fri 12-Oct-12 06:50:44

I thought fast days were getting easier, until yesterday. I found it really tough, and felt weak and dizzy for the first time mid afternoon.

I think it was because I was physically active all day, including heavy lifting. I will try to avoid such work on a fast day in future. On the plus point I lost 1lb in a day smile (okay I know it doesn't count and I shouldn't weigh myself every day but still smile )

Piebaldrider Fri 12-Oct-12 06:51:18

Im on my low fat Skinny day today ( im trying not to use fast ) and i feel like i need it . Yesterday i ate a late breakfast of porridge , a quorn lasagne for lunch , crsips, 2 x peanut butter on toast and 3/4 of a bottle of Pinot. It was a busy and stresfull day so no time to plan any meals and the Pinot was purely for medicinal reasons - honestly.

Today as always i have kick started with nasty mouth wash and that will do me untill late lunch of a cuppa soup. Probably have a WW ready meal with piles of veg for dinner just for ease then a pint of squash and an early night ... Howver the whole weekend is full fat but lots of work to do and a competition Sunday so will allow myself whatever .

So far i have no cramps no headaches or any other unpleasant symptoms, long may it last.

Health happiness and weight loss to all.

frenchfancy Fri 12-Oct-12 06:53:11

Oh and for cramps switch to sea salt rather than table salt. And use plenty of it on fast days. It has theminerals in it that table salt doesn't, including magnesium and potasium.

BelinaTheChicken Fri 12-Oct-12 07:48:14

This TDEE calculator might be better for calculating an approximate amount for what you should be eating on up days. TDEE is total daily energy expenditure, so takes into accound your average activity level. I have been trying to make sure to eat around that on feed days, as I think I haven't been eating enough and my weightloss stalled.

And crabapple jelly with camembert is amazing

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 08:29:39

Good calculator.

Alaska77 Fri 12-Oct-12 09:00:26

Yes yes yes to reading recipe books on fast days! For the past 2 weeks I have felt compelled to dive in to my recipe book and folder cupboard and have read almost all of them cover to cover! Whilst watching Australian Masterchef and Great British Bake Off! What is it with this torture? I've also knocked out a couple of cakes this week; a pumpkin pie and a walnut and honey loaf cake. Both on fast days. I've eaten neither but given them to family and workmates. Perhaps I'm trying to offload my surplus calories on fast days to others?! hmm grin

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 09:04:31

My recipe books are almost entirely for reading, not for actually making recipes.

Yesterday was a fast day. I was at 500 cals on a basis of coffee, tea, bovril, squash, cherry tomatoes and pickled onions and olives-in-brine-from-a-jar (and a bag of quavers) and this soup for dinner:
100g frozen prawns
1/3 of a big onion
1/2 a can of water chestnuts
1/2 a red pepper
20g risotto rice
1 knorr gel stock pot
lots of water
garlic and chilli (I don't count calories in that)

Then DP complained that he didn't want to drink wine alone so I had a glass of wine and went up to 650.

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 09:04:48

There is leftover curry in the fridge from Wednesday so I may have that for lunch...

frenchfancy Fri 12-Oct-12 09:32:56

Next time DP complains he doesn't want to drink wine alone, tell him not to drink wine on a Thursday night - save it for the weekend.

No point in fasting all day then having a glass of wine you didn't really want IMO.

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 09:38:41

Oh but I did want it... smile

Thelittlestranger Fri 12-Oct-12 09:43:58

My half fast day today...I've had a banana for breakfast so far, and will either just have some tomatoes and ham for lunch or nothing until dinner.

This WOE is definitely helping me readjust the way I look at food. I haven't lost anything this week, but I haven't gained anything either. As I was away all last weekend with my girlfriends eating and drinking what I wanted, I'm very pleased with that! But I would like a 2lb loss this week...

Cheese and honey? Can't get my head round that....

I don't look at recipe books on fast days, but I do do my online shop and meal plan for the following week. By thinking about food, perhaps it means we still get the pleasure without actually eating it.

catsrus Fri 12-Oct-12 10:21:48

oh bloody hell - Belina thanks for that link - this explains why my weight loss has stalled for the last few weeks. I only need 1607 daily calories to maintain weight shock.

A wake up call, I think, as to what "normal eating" should be for me! I am 11-12lbs down on my starting weight but haven't lost anything for 3 weeks. On the plus side I have been out for a few nice meals and had wine and haven't put any back on smile - and I'm getting the other health benefits [crossed fingers emoticon]

Fast day today so I'm going to try to hold out for a nice evening meal - will be keeping busy grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 11:10:47

Yes Belina thanks for that- it's better than the one I have in the OP. smile The on in the OP is one several posters were using in our previous threads, but we were taking it and doing our own calculations (they're mentioned on the link itself, once you sort BMR you then figure out what calories you need according to your activity levels).

Non-fast day here. Taken my first Ocado delivery this morning; along with a generally healthy, normal shop, I might have treated us to two naice pains au chocolat. They're one of DH's favourites, and I thought they'll be a nice surprise for him.

Which leads me to my question- I suspect most of us have lower grocery bills due to this WOE. Does anyone else find themselves springing for the slightly more expensive version of something they might normally get? Like a bar of Lindy instead of a box of Cadburys? (just an example off the top of my head)

Laska42 Fri 12-Oct-12 11:15:01

Hi all thanks for the kind concerns about the cramps.. I was asking because they have got worse in the last few weeks and i was thinking about nutrition

I do get back spasms sometimes , Doc and chiro visits haven't helped and honestly think its down to stress ( family , errant son!! me finding it hard to let go ) , and too much sitting at the computer.. I've been spending a lot of time stuck here writing a major report and i've another to do now. Also i'm doing a creative writing course!..

so I must make more time for exercise.. I used to do yoga , and have thought about pilates , but I have to say one problem is that its difficult to stay late at work in the evening and once i've got back here I'm not hugely motivated to go out again once i've got home.. live in a rural area.. and there's nothing much nearby.. but yes I really DO need to sort this out ..

Anyway . my official friday WI confirmed my 12 loss for this week , and so im dead chuffed! and hey its eating today and tomorrow!! ..

Im finding the 16 hour thing pretty much a breeze now,whereas i used to cave at about 14 hr.. I seem to be able to delay my breakfast which was to be a big mental barrier for me and have only just eaten my eggs now, which probably means I wont want lunch now,, but its ok friday night hubby-home blow out for me later... plenny winegrin.

Next week could be a challenge though , am away visiting for most of it ..

cyclistist my scorchio delivery has just arrived!! 6 packs of lovely D's grin though I ration them due to cost and DH doesnt like them (even better) .. Go on, you know you want to.. wink

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 11:15:52

Lindt, not Lindy. sigh.

Laska42 Fri 12-Oct-12 11:18:43

yes good calculator . it shows me the same as the one we have here , but easier to use . i second it going on the links instead of the BMR one we have now

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 11:19:19

I've been buying posh but low-calorie soups to take to work on fast days - like this for example .

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 11:19:36

Yep, just have to wait til the next thread, since I can't edit the post. sad

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 11:20:27

Trills hey that's the brand I was eyeing- have you tried the Tuscan Chicken soup? I think I'll give them a try.

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 11:21:36

Not tried the chicken - the Azteca (mexican tomatoey) is really nice.

Laska42 Fri 12-Oct-12 11:44:00

greeneggs you are definitely right about the grocery bills.. mine have gone down massively.....

Trouble is I seem to be spending a lot more on new clothes...hmm ..I really must sell some on ebay again now..

Thelittlestranger Fri 12-Oct-12 12:31:31

I highly rcommend cleaning to take away cravings. Nearly caved and had pate on toast for lunch today, when I'm trying to eat much less today to make up for wine tonight. But I cleaned the house and had a cold sausage instead, so should be able to stick to my soup for lunch. I'm definitely an all or nothing type of girl...either eat, or don't eat! At least I've stayed away from the flapjacks.l.until this evening.

That calculator says I can have between 2000 and 2300 calories per day, depending on if I go to the gym 3 or 4 times per week, to maintain. When I was pregnant I must have been inhaling calories to get to the weight I was...6lb until pre pregnancy, then another 10lbs to my happy weight. I CAN do it. The boy is only 4 months old, so this is the quickest I've lost the weight with all three children, so that's something.

I haven't bought more expensive things as such, as I've just discovered mysupermarket.com and they keep on saying how much I can save with other (cheaper) alternatives. But I do put more thought in to my eating day meals...

Hi Greeneggs , yeah know what you mean about the lower food shopping bills, and have also been 'upgrading' on choices for 'feasting' days.

Morning Laska , unfortunately most of the savings have been spent at a certain chillifood website (someonewho shall remain nameless) forwarded me the link to wink

Although normally doing 4:3 no more fasting for me now till Tuesday as will only do half fast on Sunday (16 or so hours) on account of daughters birthday celebration one of my usual fast days in an amazing Curry restaurant in Theydon Bois.

Hope all goes well for everyone day, be you fasting or feasting or wine ing. And remeber if things get tough today there's always tomorrow when food will taste ten times better grin

MikeOxardForHalloween Fri 12-Oct-12 13:06:30

Fast day, and I have just spent most of my calories on ww risotto again. Calories well spent though, I love that dish!

Feeling a bit slim today, mwahahahaha! Had a sneaky weigh in and I am about 3lb away from my pre-ds weight. I am 1lb off having lost 4 stone since my biggest (at 9 months pregnant with ds), so that's almost 2 stone off since starting this diet about 9 weeks ago. I would like to lose about another stone (I am still 1st 3lb away from my pre-dd weight), but I am confident I can do that pretty quickly, especially as I'm so motivated now.

I have booked a consultation about a tummy tuck to get rid of my apron of excess skin which is hanging down over my c-sec scar (nice!). Any advice/experience of this welcome! I have booked the consultation for a month's time which at this rate of weight loss will mean that I'm at my ideal weight then - it will definately keep me motivated, as it's a real deadline then. smile

Laska42 Fri 12-Oct-12 13:18:01

MikeOFH You've lost nearly 2 stone in 9 weeks? WOW....! That's amazing .. Well done! grin

TalkinPeace2 Fri 12-Oct-12 13:29:34

Weigh in today - 9 stone 3 = 11 pounds lost since the start of term. BMI under 21.5.
Pizza and wine tonight !!!

Laska
Do you have a wii? Its just that the yoga on wii fit is actually quite good and you can do it when fits with you....

Mike
before you do that, do AS MUCH abs exercise as you can face - as the stronger the muscles behind that skin, the better the circulation and the sooner you'll recover :-)

kiwigirl42 Fri 12-Oct-12 13:31:55

Thank you for all the info in this thread. I did about 3 fast days then had one where I just could not do it as I was SO hungry, and sort of fell off the wagon. But I've been in bed with a migraine since Monday and going to use these 'fast' days to get me started. I also found out on Monday that I am on the 18 wk list for a hysterectomy (for my migraines, since we've tried everything else save cutting off my head!) so I'd like to lose 15kg at least before then.

So are going to do 4:3 and see how it goes. Ive just received the Hairy Bikers diet book and the recipes look great in there, both for fast and eat days.

Thanks for all your inspiration. I had 2 pieces of toast, butter and jam this morning before deciding I would make it another fast day so that will be my 500 cals easily I'd have thought.

Mintyy Fri 12-Oct-12 13:32:31

There is something wrong with me sad sad sad.

I have followed the rules to the letter for 6 weeks. Yesterday was fast day 13.

I think I may have lost 2 or 3lb but that is all. Fucking hell!

Laska42 Fri 12-Oct-12 13:37:05

talkin .. no I dont , but thinking of putting one on my xmas list .. ( arrgh sorry, did I just say that C word? slap me!)

TalkinPeace2 Fri 12-Oct-12 13:40:31

((*Minty*)) Are you monitoring your calories REALLY carefully - everything, honestly, weighing it. What are you averaging on non fast days (and how tall are you) - there WILL be a reason, we just have to find it ....

Laska
Don't wait till then - LOADS of them in Pawn shops for around £60 including Wii fit board .... - yup they have been used but hey, they come with warranty ...

LookBehindYou Fri 12-Oct-12 13:50:41

talkin I read that as 'do you have a will* and was thinking crikey, poor Laska only mentioned cramp!

Mintyy reading the posts of those that have lost tens of pounds must feel like a kick in the face but you'll do yourself a favour by not measuring yourself against other peoples weightloss. 3LB in 6 weeks with 13 fasts so I reckon you're doing 5:2, that'd be close to 2 stone in a year and only you know whether this WOE is comfortable for you for a year. If you were 2 stone lighter now than a year ago would you be in a better place?

Stepping up to 4:3 might be an option if you want to lose quicker and if you feel that it'll fit in comfortably with your lifestyle...but only you know whether that'd work or is do-able

One of the strengths of this is hopefully we're in this for life and if we find ways of coping with the 'down' calorie doys then we have stumbled on to an amazing gift that will benefit our health, keep us looking and feeling better and boost the sales of smaller size UK clothes manufacturers wink

We're all feeling our way with this but my advice would be, make sure you're protein levels are low (but not TOO low), ensure you're starting a Fast day with a 16 hour Fast (including any hours from the night before). Include loads of nutrients in your diet on your 'up' day.

And do what you can to enjoy this WOE, my main 'getmethru' is reminding myself how good food tastes after a 'down' day.

Loads of good fortune to you mintyy ...and I hope I didn't sound patronising

rachelblythe Fri 12-Oct-12 14:42:22

Fast day for me and I just had a reasonably expensive soup that I have have been saving for a few weeks, and that also had 300 calories in....well it really wasn't very nice at all and certainly wasn't worth all those calories. Only got 100 calories left for the day (had some ham earlier), humm...maybe I better start cleaning the house! smile

Have been following this thread for sometime. I've been 5:2ing for the last 7 weeks. Main reason for doing so is potential health benefits as opposed to pure weight loss. Fasting day food intake consists of b'fast: bowl of muesli with a little chopped fruit plus mug of instant coffee with splash of milk, lunch black instant coffee and dinner: 2 corn on cobs mixed steamed green veg plus 2 low fat yoghurts.
I've been doing this in conjunction with regular exercise, mainly cycling and over the last 4 weeks have been swimming hard 3x per week. On fast days, usually tue and thur, I ride 15 miles at a fairly steady pace on a flat route. Have been getting in 3 swim sessions a week plus a steady ride of 30 miles or so on fri and longer harder ride of 30-40 miles on sat, all exercise is done without supplementary feeding.
Observations:
- Fasting days have definitely got easier but still aren’t easy…
- Sometimes light headed on fasting days.
- Mild cycling on fast days helps beat the hunger pangs.
- I think I overeat on my non fast days. I love my choc and ice cream and although I haven’t recorded my eating habits I feel sure I’m over compensating. My appetite has in no way been suppressed on non fast days. I suspect as 21/12 draws closer this will get worse.
- This week have found fasting and exercise tough. My suspicion is that it’s due to time of year/SAD effects ie shortened daylight, falling temps with associated hormonal changes.
- On fasting days I feel colder, especially feet in the evenings.
- Had a few bouts of nighttime cramping in the early weeks on fast days. I believe caused by lack of salt (electrolyte) intake plus drinking too much water. Appear to have remedied this by adding seal salt to steamed veg in the evening or if I forget simply eating a few flakes.
- Haven’t been weighing myself regularly and didn’t before I started but I think I’ve lost 1-2Kg (current weight is now 94kg). Have had to make an extra hole on my belt and I feel slimmer even though weight doesn’t seem to reflect it.
- I feel mentally sharper especially on the day after fasting.
- My sense of well being on the day after fasting is also good/better.

I hope I can keep this going over the winter. I must also speak to my GP about the possibility of doing a blood test. Would be v interested to see if my bp, insulin, glucose, cholesterol and IGF-1 levels are healthy. Has anyone else actually done a blood test? For me, these readings really are the crux of what it’s all about.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 12-Oct-12 16:06:04

oh Mintyy that must be really disheartening - does your body feel smaller? Are clothes looser or anything? Only because the scales for me haven't showed much of a loss at all but I've gone down a full dress size, which I only realised yesterday when I had the guts to test it out....

Not fasting til Sunday and actually missing it hmm weirdo. Out for dinner tonight and drank far too much wine last night so will try to be moderate today

Mintyy Fri 12-Oct-12 16:26:00

Thanks all. I'm not giving up! I'm 50 and I also want the health benefits.

Mousey - that's the most disheartening thing. I put on a pair of jeans that I'm about half a stone too big for at the start of this as a sort of measure. I put them on this morning expecting to maybe be able to do them up, even if I still wouldn't wear them yet. But the gap between the button seems just as wide sad.

I do honestly have the most unforgiving metabolism in the world, though - I know all fat people think this, but I honestly seem to!

So far today I have eaten a small sandwich with ham and chicken and some coffee and tea. That's not unusual for me and I am not even particularly hungry now.

Oh well. First world problem smile.

2beornot Fri 12-Oct-12 16:29:05

Hi. Just introducing and marking my place! I'm starting the 5:2 diet - first fast day will be Monday. I've decided that Monday and either Wednesday or Thursday will be my two days out of seven. I'm going to have fruit mid morning (never hungry early morning anyway) a weight watchers soup for lunch (100 calories) and then mostly veggies for tea.

Any wise words before I get started? Anything to avoid? I'm presuming that ad this is part 5 this diet works so fingers crossed it works for me!

TalkinPeace2 Fri 12-Oct-12 16:40:25

Mintyy
Time to be REALLY analytical.
What bread? - weigh it. What spread? - how much compared to a level teaspoon. How much of which ham? Skin on the chicken?
Coffee and tea - which milk? how much? sugar?
Do you have invisible snacks? The ones that we genuinely do not realise we are eating - DHs was 5 packs of crisps a week! Mine was the extra slice of cheese while cutting cheese for the kids packed lunches!
There WILL be a reason. Also, how much exercise do you do? PS I'm 47 so I know how you feel ...

Mintyy Fri 12-Oct-12 16:51:28

But ... Talky ... this is a feed day for me. I'm not going to be weighing my bread!
(it was 2 slices of granary from a small hovis sliced loaf, Lurpak lighter butter quite thin I'm not mad about butter, 1 fairly thick slice of chicken from Sainsbury's ttd range, two thin slices of Sainsbos ttd ham, about a rounded teaspoon of mayonnaise and some dijon mustard.

Was just saying that its not abnormal for me to eat small meals/small amounts. I consider myself to have quite a small appetite actually. If I eat a big meal at lunch (ie. 2 course Sunday roast) then I very rarely eat anything at all all evening. I don't snack, I don't binge, I don't compulsively overeat.

I hardly move tho', must be said blush.

MikeOxardForHalloween Fri 12-Oct-12 16:51:36

Talkinpeace you are very scary assertive. I really want to know what job you do in rl. I'm guessing sargent major some kind of manager!

MikeOxardForHalloween Fri 12-Oct-12 16:53:06

Oh, and welcome tobeornot. Good luck. x

TalkinPeace2 Fri 12-Oct-12 16:57:44

:-)
I'm an auditor - onion peeling till I get to the truth.
Sorry, did not mean to come across as scary.
But I do know that being cuddly is NOT the aim of this thread - lean and toned more like grin

See, silly thing - I've not had a 2 slice of bread sandwich for years. Rounded teaspoon of mayo actually counts as two teaspoons as the technical measure is a level one : bingo extra calories people do not REALISE they are taking in!
Not just an individual poster, any of us.

Minty- you could race Laska to the second hand wii shop : wii fit is really good as a starter ...

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 17:47:45

So how many calories do you think you're having on non-fast days, Mintyy? Normal amount, or low?

Mintyy Fri 12-Oct-12 17:53:32

I checked that calorie counter thing and it says I need 1700 per day to stay the same (remember I'm about 30-35lb overweight).

But, tbh, I don't really know how many calories I eat on a non-fasting day. What I do know is that my weight has very gradually crept up over the years (I'd say 28lb in the last 20 years) so my guestimate of what I need to eat calorie-wise on a daily basis has only been very slightly out.

Are you telling me I need to track my calories on non-fast days?

<sigh>

LookBehindYou Fri 12-Oct-12 17:59:44

Mintyy I really sympathise and empathise.
It really might be an idea to keep a complete account of what you eat (and when) and drink for a week or so (include a weekend). 1700 can soon add up. It might even be that you're not eating enough.

Sputnik Fri 12-Oct-12 18:10:16

Minty I am 45 and thought my metabolism had really slowed down in the last few years, turns out you lose muscle every year after about 40 if you don't look after it. I started doing strength training and it has made a huge difference to me and, I think, boosted my metabolism (muscle burns more calories) which I think has helped the weightloss side be more successful too.

I'm not talking heavy weightlifter type stuff, I started with 2kg dumbells, progressed up to 4kgs for some exercises and went to buy myself some new weights today as it was getting too easy! It doesn't take long and you don't need to do much to see a difference.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 18:20:59

Mintyy well, I wasn't going to say that grin but it's possible you might need to, just for a bit. Do it for a week and see if you get results from it? It's worth a try.

MikeOxardForHalloween Fri 12-Oct-12 18:31:30

I would definately do that for a little while mintyy, it's frustrating not knowing and finding out what your daily calorie limit is will be really useful. You really can't rely on those calculators too much, there are so many variables. Mine tells me I can eat over 1500 cals a day to maintain, but I know from a really detailed food diary and daily weighing that my limit before I put weight on is closer to 1300 a day. If you have a low calorie limit like I do, you really can't eat that much even on an eating day, what seems reasonable might in fact be a little bit too much. That sarnie for example sounds like about 600 calories(ish), so I if I ate one of those for lunch and one for dinner, I could only have a few cups of tea and no breakfast all day if I wanted to maintain rather than put on iyswim. Anyway, I think I'm just wittering on now!

talkinpeace An auditor - I can really see that! Thanks for satisfying my curiosity! x

Piebaldrider Fri 12-Oct-12 18:33:32

Minty i am 52 and like you my weight has been creeping up over the years and i estimate i am about 70 pounds overweight but im not counting the pounds and i dont weigh myself.
If you are doing everything to the letter then i would start moving more just light exercise like walking might be enough to get things moving again. I am considering mixing things up so my body doesn't become accustomed to anything and then compensate for it. So i will mix up the number of days i do my low fat skinny days and some days i will eat more on non fast days and sometimes a bit less. I do have a limited amount of exercise everyday but i intend to up it by joining the gym and again never do the same thing over and over or on regular days. I really feel my body is just responding to the shock of what i am doing but will soon settle down and slow down so im trying to keep one step ahead. Try changing something and see what works for you.

HappyOrchid Fri 12-Oct-12 18:39:56

I'm certain that my metabolism has now fully adjusted to 4:3.
Stopped losing weight and npw worried that if I can't fast one week due to work committments or holiday I am going to balloon.

Week 9 & a sneakly weigh shows I am now same weigh as have been for last month sad

Aftereightsaremine Fri 12-Oct-12 18:44:48

minty I agree that maybe you should try counting calories on a non fast day for a couple of weeks or so. I was horrified when last week on one of my days I worked out I'd eaten more than 3000 calories. I've started using mfp on non fast days also so that I can learn about portion control.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 12-Oct-12 18:48:38

(((Mintyy)))
Sorry if I sounded mean. Trying to be supportive but am naturally mildly psychotic!
I am actually putting ALL my meals into MyFitnessPal on my PC.
Its really interesting to see what the balance of my nutrients is.

I used fitday for a while - till it reminded me that at the weekend 1/3 of my calories came from Alcohol - and its American so luckily had NO idea how many calories were in an Eccles Cake wink

Its the silly thing that my lunch today, the ingredient with the most calories was the banana! A slice of bread is 100 calories. The spoonful of mayo on it is 45 calories, the ham inside is only 55 calories ..... didn't stop me adding cheese to it as well .... but I did swim a mile and do 2 hours of classes this morning...
but that was only 1000 calories - soon to be wiped out by the glass of whine DH has just brought me :-)

Exercise is REALLY REALLY good for we middle aged ladies. A mate at the gym is slimming to be size 12 for her 70th birthday. Her hubby has lost 4 stone this year - and now ENJOYS going out for walks .... they have both increased their healthy life expectancy by many years
and THAT is why we are putting ourselves through this

Sputnik Fri 12-Oct-12 18:53:06

I like that idea of mixing things up too, with eating as well as exercise.
Walking is also great, I made an effort about a year ago to get into the habit of walking nearly every day and now it's second nature, I usually do 30 mins or so but if I am pushed for time I just do 10 just to keep in the habit.

insprognito Fri 12-Oct-12 19:24:36

Well I've finally bitten the bullet and decided to join you ladies. Been following the thread over the last few weeks and its inspiring to see so many dropping the pounds with this WOE. Have done my first fast day today and although its been hard its not been as bad as I thought it would be. I've looked at the new calculator and discovered I'm only meant to have 1700 cals on a feed day. This is without excercising though. I'm hoping to resume working out next week after 4 weeks off due to tearing a tendon. I think its best I stick to the cals I've worked out though to be on the safe side. Can anyone tell me do I now wait 16 hours before eating tomorrow on my non fast day? I'm going to be doing 4:3 or 3:4 depending how the days fall.I'm desperate to lose a stone (ammount I've gained since having my implant put in back in january). The health benefits will be a bonus too. Great thread everybody and lots of really helpful links so thankyou.

insprognito Fri 12-Oct-12 19:37:59

Sorry for lack of paragraphs am on my phone.

Sputnik Fri 12-Oct-12 20:11:59

Insprognito you don't have to wait 16 hours, just eat breakfast normally tomorrow. Welcome and good luck!

Aboutlastnight Fri 12-Oct-12 20:23:13

Yes I have an omelette or some porridge in the morning and then some vegetables in the evening - I fon't do the 16 hrs thing but have no idea if this has slowed my weight loss.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 12-Oct-12 20:37:41

insprog I tend to avoid breakfast at least, particularly on fast days. You say it's a non-fast day, so just eat whenever feels natural for you to do so. My avoiding breakfast on fast days mostly is because I find eating earlier in the day just sparks my hunger and makes me wonder when the next food will be all the rest of the day. smile It does have the side benefit of putting the 16 hr fast window in there, but I didn't do this on purpose.

Welcome to the thread grin

insprognito Fri 12-Oct-12 22:26:57

Thanks am most relieved I don't need to wait another 16 hours to eat! Its true about breakfast stimulating appetite for me too so I'll be waiting as long as poss on fast days.Can you 'buy' extra calories with Cardio in this plan like with WW or is it not allowed? Not sure I'd have the energy on 500 cals though tbh!

Sputnik Fri 12-Oct-12 22:46:17

Nope you can't "buy" extra calories, but I read that if you do exercise then the fasting benefits will kick in sooner.

Breadandwine Sat 13-Oct-12 00:11:02

I've been travelling about a bit, recently, with plenty of time to plough through these 5:2 threads - and I'm constantly finding stuff new to me. If I find something interesting, I post it on the Tips and Links thread.

It's well worth checking the latest one, on the subject of IGF-1 and cancer. Absolutely fascinating!

And if you do have a tip or a link, why not post it on that thread as well? smile

Piebaldrider Sat 13-Oct-12 06:28:26

I'm up and about early this morning after my very early night last night.

I would Just like to pick up on somthing SKIPPY said on page 16. I too have deep sense of well being the morning after a SLIM DAY and different people would describe it in different ways and i would say for me its a bit deeper than just well being. I also get cold on non slim days and sometimes the day after as i dont eat until 10.30-11.00 .

Im still on my 4.3 but i think the initial quick fat loss has slowed now so i will be starting my mix up process next week , swapping number of fast days and varying excersice and food to try and keep the momentum up.

I have a very busy weekend so wont have too much time to think about food and when im down the yard doing horsey stuff there is nothing to eat unless i get a craving for hay smile

Aftereightsaremine Sat 13-Oct-12 07:43:26

Morning all & non fast day for me. Just as we'll as I'm off to a vairy posh dinner tonight. I'm going to try to 'save' some of my calories till later. Luckily I'm driving so won't consume loads in drinking too much wine! But I'm not convinced I'll be able to do it. I'm going to repeat over & over 'think thin'.

2beornot Sat 13-Oct-12 08:01:24

Hi all.

I have a question before I start. On my non-fast days, what should I be eating? Everything I've read says you can eat what you want but that people tend to stick to their normal diet. This can't be true, can it?! There's a reason why I'm 4st overweight and I can't see it working if I eat as much as I normally do. Also I read posts like aftereightsaremine where people are restricting themselves on non fast days and the reason I've decided on this WOE is that I can go out to dinner and relax about what I'm eating.

A little confused, but do others do?