5:2 Diet Thread: Part Four! Sit down, have a cuppa..

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GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 20-Sep-12 22:36:04

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon recently, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but it was a 40 page thread! This is a good start for anyone, though:

First things first, here is a link to our previous thread, which we've outgrown. Lots of good support and ideas still to be found there. Here is the thread before that..

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

Here is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. smile

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Goof Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We often mention basal metabolic rate (BMR) here. This refers to the amount of energy (calories) a person uses when at rest; so, the basic number of calories a person needs to stay the same weight. This number is often quoted as being 2000 calories for the "average" woman, but of course is different depending on how tall you are, how much you weigh, etc. Here is a calculator which will easily help you to find out what your BMR is.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are new to this diet. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous thread, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon. wink

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

ILoveLemonCurd Thu 20-Sep-12 22:46:42

Marking my place wink

pookey Thu 20-Sep-12 22:49:06

Thanks for the thread green eggs!

vigglewiggle I am planning to weigh myself on a monthly basis. Trying to avoid being put off by low results on scales or complacent by good results! As others have said its prob a time of the month thing I think I have at least 2 weeks of the month where I am bloated confused

just eaten 4 slices of bread - think I will have to try and stick to a 2 slices of bread rule for feed days.

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 20-Sep-12 22:55:35

LC I swear, every time I see your name I think "I'm totally going to have some toast with lemon curd my next eating day." smile I haven't yet. Perhaps tomorrow is the day.

pookey I have avoided the scales this week because it's just about TOTM and I know my weight fluctuates during this time. I might weigh myself tomorrow out of habit but whatever I see won't be putting me off!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Thu 20-Sep-12 23:04:40

Marking my place - snacking on trail mix before a mammouth walk, all hail feed day!

rosemarysage Fri 21-Sep-12 01:01:10

Thanks Greeneggs for the new thread.

I've made some butter bean and broccoli soup (that was mentioned on thread number 3) and split it into 3 portions and frozen it so I have it ready to go for fast days. I am hoping to make some more soups over the week and stock the freezer up a bit so that I am ready to go on fast days.

poachedeggs Fri 21-Sep-12 04:25:10

Just marking my spot. Had to give up once the old thread got huge as I'm generally online from my phone which doesn't like the big ones!

Had my first failed fast day on Wednesday sad foiled by food cravings and a service station empire biscuit. I'm pondering having a go today but I'll be tired (thanks DD for getting me up at this time!) and we have a 300 mile journey to do this afternoon. However I feel a bit like that's looking for excuses to fail before I even try so perhaps I need to have a word with myself!

BelinaTheChicken Fri 21-Sep-12 06:53:48

Fast day again, already used 60cals on coffee as had a horrendous night with the DC, nightmares from DS1 who ended up in our bed with his elbow wedged in my ear, and DS2 had a bit of a post injection fever, so woke up every 2 hours. Up at 5.15, and DH still upstairs snuggled up with DS1 envy.

Need to try and sort out a busy day as it's so much easier to avoid eating when I'm running around like a mad thing. House is a pit as I've just been on 3 nights in a row with no childcare to catch up on sleep (I do nap at work, I'm not superwoman!), so the housework has been completely neglected. Might invite my clean-freak friend round for a play date, that will make me get off my arse grin

TellMeLater Fri 21-Sep-12 07:01:26

Pulls up a chair, cuppa in hand.

I'm logging my food on feed days in mfp - just out of interest - have realised that it's snacking that causes massive peaks in my food intake and I think this diet is helping me break the snacking habit and it has to be a habit because most of the time I snack whilst feeling no hunger.

catsrus Fri 21-Sep-12 07:01:55

Thanks greeneegs

Well Friday is official weigh-in day, though the scales have shown me up 1lb on earlier in the week (despite a fast day yesterday) so technically it's now 10 lb in 6 weeks (though i Know it's really 11 grin). I resisted DDs home make biscuits/cookies last night but did have a glass of low fat milk and nutmeg to help me sleep as th smell of them baking had my stomach rumbling! I might have gone over 500 with my medicinal vodka and the milk blush, but I'm not going to worry about that - today is an eating day <yum>

It's reached the stage where people who haven't seen me for a while are really noticing and it is actually nice to get that external validation a bit grin gringrin

BrigitBigKnickers Fri 21-Sep-12 07:22:12

Checking in- feed day for me today- surprised I haven't woken up hungry! I am going to try and be sensible today as have a feeling that if I go too mad this eating plan (refuse to call it a diet) won't work for me.

Very strange but the thing I have been looking forward to the most is my bowl of Dorset luxury cereal for breakfast. But waiting for it as not actually very hungry at the moment shock

The main thing I am proud of this week is not having had a single drop of wine/ alchohol shockshockshock I know I usually drink more than I should blush but just haven't missed it! Hoping I can keep this up as I have slept soooo well this week and had more energy during the day.

Happy feed day!

frenchfancy Fri 21-Sep-12 07:31:33

Checking in.

Weigh in Yesterday - 2kg down (4.4lbs). Very happy.

Yesterday was a fast day. Carrot and Corriader Soup for lunch and salmon with stir fried veg for dinner. I really enjoyed it but DH didn't like the veg - too many leeks apparently. Next time he can make it!

Chicken curry and wine tonight - yeh!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 21-Sep-12 07:37:47

On t'other side of the pond am about to go to bed bloated AGAIN! Last 2 feed days I've ended up so uncomfortable, not like my other feed days where I've paid attention to my body and kept overeating under control.

Grateful for a fast day tomorrow then cos of friends visiting not having another til Tuesday - looks like I need more motivation on feed rather than fast days

Feeling a bit down - why didn't I just stop when I felt full, rather than going on and on til I felt ill?

rachelblythe Fri 21-Sep-12 08:01:19

Greeneggs - thanks as always for keeping out thread going, you are a star.

GWTMH - i felt exactly the same as you last night on my feed day. MIL made one if my favourites; her Shepards pie with veg. Usually i will stuff her giant portion straight down but i ate about half and was full, so decided to leave it, but then Few hours later before i went to bed, just because it was still there,i decided to eat the rest.went to bed really uncomfortable and a bit disappointed that i ate it, as i knew i wasn't in the least but hungry for it.next time I'll throw any left overs straight in the bin.

Faddy day for me, got a stinking cold, about to have a cold and flu sachet and hope it starts to kick in quickly, as taking DS to a Childrens adventure land today, like we go every Friday. Poor planning though, i don't know what I'm eating today, but with s child i tend to want to easy less anyway so hopefully I'll be able to wing it! Have a good day everyone

rachelblythe Fri 21-Sep-12 08:03:55

Faddy day = eating day
But with s child = but with a cold
Bloody Swype predictive text, lol smile

phlebas Fri 21-Sep-12 08:19:31

Hi everyone! I've had an incredibly busy couple of weeks & haven't been great ... have only had 3 fast days since last weigh in (3rd I was 89.7kg I think) & been away & dinners out etc. I was 88.5kg this morning & motivated to get back on the wagon! (I was 101kg when I started at end ofJuly)

hoops997 Fri 21-Sep-12 08:38:43

hello everyone,

eating day here as well, good job too cause tis Graze box day woo hoo! Fasted yesterday and stuck to under 300 cals, was hard and very nearly ended up eating the furniture but resisted.

Waiting until 11 so that'll be my 16 hours, actually not hungry yet but I'm sure I'll enjoy my dorset porridge with apple and sultanas grin

Jumped on the scales and already 4lb down in the first week so the water retention is going, also going to go swimming later and maybe a long walk down the beach.

RevealYourselfTinySongstress Fri 21-Sep-12 08:43:55

End of week two for me, on 5:2, weighed in this morning at 76.8 (12 stone 1.3lb in old money), down from 77.8 last Friday smile Really happy with that, but was secretly hoping to be less than twelve stone, so will make that my focus for next week instead.

Found the two fast days (Monday and Thursday) much easier this week, and am sure I'm eating less on feed days-one biscuit instead of four etc.

frenchfancy Fri 21-Sep-12 08:53:06

Wow Phlebas you are doing really well. 12.5Kg is an amazing loss. Keep it up girl.

frenchfancy Fri 21-Sep-12 09:04:22

And just a reminder to everyone that there is a recipe thread for your fast day recipes. Please add your ideas.

Julesfpe Fri 21-Sep-12 09:05:57

Hi, I've been doing the 5:2 diet for 6 weeks now and finding it very doable.

Lost 4lbs the first week and then haven't weighed myself until today. Disappointed that I've only lost another 3lbs - 7lbs in total. Michael Mosley lost over a stone in his first 6 weeks. On the other hand I have been eating what I want 5 days of the week, so I suppose as long as I keep loosing weight then I should be pleased.

How is everyone else doing with their weight loss?

TellMeLater Fri 21-Sep-12 09:09:11

Men lose weight more easily than woman so it's best not to use Micheal Mosley's weight loss as a guide to what's normal for women. It's very frustrating and dhs can be very smug about losing quicker. <looking at you, dh>

phlebas Fri 21-Sep-12 09:12:15

It feels great - back pain (which was incapacitating) has completely gone smile My BMI has come down to 35 from 40 & I'm heading towards pre-pregnancy weight (82kg) - well with dc4 anyway ... quite a way to get to pre dc1 weight (56kg)!

Aftereightsaremine Fri 21-Sep-12 09:13:56

Thanks so much greeneggs.

2012fan Fri 21-Sep-12 09:43:37

Thanks greeneggs. Feed day today after 2nd fast of week yesterday. Not weighing after the disappointment of Tuesday (up 1lb) but have had my first 'you've lost weight' comment so well chuffed.

FWIW having done 5:2 for a month now my pattern for the week goes - 2 days fast (around 400 cals as I'm only titchy and bone idle so have a low BMR), the 2 days between I have been eating 1000 -1200 cals, and the 3 days at weekend I've had between 1500 and 2000 cals a day (largely in wine wink. I'm sure this is going to work...just need to lose another stone then I know I'll be able to maintain for ever, just by intermittent fasting!! wink

Lotsofcake Fri 21-Sep-12 10:19:29

Hello all, I've been reading this thread, as many others have, with great interest and found it after googling 5:2 diet. I have only been following it for a week so far but I have to say the results have been impressive.

After two children I have gained about 4.5 stone and desperately want to loose some of that weight as I feel tired and frumpy. I love food and am a grazer. I have found 'diets' almost impossible as I am still able to graze. This constant grazing is how I have gained the weight. Always eating but never feeling full.

The first fast day was tough but I stuck at it and as many others I found I was less hungry after my first fast. I fasted again yesterday and I am feeling great. I have already managed to lose 5.5lbs since Monday. I know a lot of this will be water but clothes a less tight and my face is far less puffy. Some of this decreased hunger may be natural anyway as I have just stopped bf. Whoever said that bf helps with weightloss? Certainly didn't help mine as I was always super hungry. Anyway I am interested in this as a way of life for me as I don't want to end up with diabetes etc. So primarily I am using this as a weight loss tool in the first instance but then as a lifestyle choice.

Sorry for the long post but really wanted to share some of my success and to thank everyone for their fascinating stories. Ps I am a mumsnet poster newbie!

dontcallmehon Fri 21-Sep-12 10:24:43

Hi all,
I've done really well on this diet and have lost about 12 pounds since i started. I am now 10 stone 2 and haven't much weight left to lose (I'm 5 foot 7, so this is an ok weight).

I would like to lose another 7-10lb for vanity reasons if I can - but for the past couple of weeks I haven't lost a single pound. My weight loss up to now has been fairly easy.

I'm wondering if that's it and it won't work for me anymore! Trying to stay motivated still.

Phew, yesterday was HARD! But I did it so that feels really good. Haven't eaten yet, apart from a handful of dry cheerios. This definitely feels like it's bedding in as a way of eating, rather than just a diet, iyswim. Good luck to all fellow fasters/eaters. good weekend everybody.

WilfSell Fri 21-Sep-12 10:32:52

Marking place. Everyone ill in our house with really nasty cold so not fasting but not eating much either. Back soon when I rejoin the living...

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 21-Sep-12 10:36:10

Thanks for the kind words everyone! thanks Be sure to visit frenchfancy's recipe thread here- I should have put it in the OP here but I forgot, ofc. sad We are so busy here, though, that I expect we'll need a new thread in a week or two anyway. Will remember it for then. (I did at least add the BMR link this time! grin )

Am glad I kept plugging away with my fast days this week. I figured it might be approaching TOTM, and sure enough, confirmation hit this morning. smile And it's a feeding day so I will probably have something nice, but so far it's just been the usual coffee.

Good luck today, fasters!

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 21-Sep-12 10:39:08

Wilf oh good luck! We've got that here as well. sad Taste buds are completely shot so I'm not tempted by much yet. I did calculate yesterday how many calories were in the sucrose in my Beechams. Madness, I tell you. grin

Laska42 Fri 21-Sep-12 10:39:18

More thanks greeneggs you are fab getting all the stuff together for us.

Well ,my SP weight was pretty much right..the whole 2lbs loss didn't stick but I've lost another 1lb (well 1.5 actually but only count whole units !!) this week so that makes 9lb all told in four weeks and I'm dead chuffed with that ..

I'm treating myself to a day off today but have loads of really exciting cleaning and stuff to do .. . plus cooking YAY!

2012fan we old WW escapees call those 'you've lost weight' comments Non Scale Victories NSVs..I think we should institute these here also..

Congratulations on your NSV... I have a few of those recently too, Great isnt it?, (apart from those potentially embarrassing ones that i've noticed recently which mean I'm definitely going to have to buy a whole load of new knickers , before I embarrass myself in public! shock grin

Right! get the vacuum out!!

Good luck all fasters today.. I'm eating until Sunday ..

BuntCadger Fri 21-Sep-12 10:40:16

Fast day here. Really tough as was in hospital till gone 2am with ds2 who's not well. Was up previous night from 2-4am clearing up sick. And up previous nights with teething baby. I'm shattered but I want to stick to this WOE as life throws stuff at you and I want to be able to manage this long term. Weigh in tonight eek.

BuntCadger Fri 21-Sep-12 10:40:42

Oh and thanks greeneggs smile

Laska42 Fri 21-Sep-12 10:41:41

Blimey we do move fast! 6 messages in the time it took me to type mine!
Keep it up girls (and men if we have any here) do we?

LookBehindYou Fri 21-Sep-12 10:43:58

phlebas your weightloss is amazing. Congrats!

Fast day today. Am out of inspiration and can't think what to cook tonight.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 21-Sep-12 10:47:21

Lotsofcake Welcome to MN!

BF didn't help with weight loss for me at all. I think some of us don't lose weight until we're done BFing, unfortunately.

This WOE certainly does make you notice how much you graze (or previously grazed). Fast days leave me with loads of time to do other things, and on eating days I find myself snacking a lot less.

Laska42 Fri 21-Sep-12 10:53:44

I was the opposite .when I BF my son (h'es 22 now!) I lost loads and ate loads too .. in fact it was the last time I was under 9 stone. (far too thin for my bone structure though)..

LookBehindYou Fri 21-Sep-12 10:57:55

Jules 7lb is a fab weightloss. You will be benefitting from lots of other health benefits too. Also, slower weightloss gives your skin time to adjust and is more likely to stay off. Men lose weight completely differently so there's no point in comparing yourself to them.

ChazsGoldAttitude Fri 21-Sep-12 11:46:59

Feast day today - treated myself to a large veggie cooked breakfast this morning and now I am still so full I think I'll skip lunch and go to the gym instead.

My BMI is now below 35 for the first time in at least a year so I'm grin.

mommybunny Fri 21-Sep-12 11:49:28

So much activity since yesterday afternoon! Thanks GreenEggs for starting the new thread. I'm on a feed day and had my normal bowl of Alpen cereal for breakfast, and am rather hungry now even after a banana at about 10:30. hmm But in terms of "getting through" a fast day, I think a single substantial meal at lunch time is much easier than a tiny breakfast and tiny dinner. I felt just as hungry last night having had just lunch (with a teeny little square of dark chocolate in the evening, for which I'd saved calories!) as I did on the nights when I had a 250 cal dinner. And working through lunch is torture for me.

I'm too chicken to weigh myself, and I'm not seeing much yet in terms of looser clothing etc. But I will stick with it for at least the next couple of weeks, and see how it goes.

Good luck fasters!

Lotsofcake Fri 21-Sep-12 13:09:42

Thanks for the welcome greeneggs
Feed day today. I have noticed how mindful I am now about what I eat. For instance, usually on a Friday I'd be thinking about 'treat' food for tonight. Well, I just don't fancy junk. I'm looking for healthy veg curry recipes. I've found an amazing cauliflower curry recipe that I'll think I'll make.

Last night we had bolognese (from the hairy dieters cook book) and I stuffed a marrow with it. So filling. I'm looking at food differently. It's so nice to think I'm not on a diet too. I also love the tomorrow's another day philosophy. Brilliant!

Good luck with eating/fasting all.

mommybunny Fri 21-Sep-12 13:25:29

I'm thinking of getting the Hairy Dieters cookbook - but only if it has calorie counts in it (you'd be amazed at the number of "healthy" recipes and cookbooks that don't!). Does it?

bunjies Fri 21-Sep-12 13:25:51

Woo hoo shiny new thread. Cheers Greeneggs.

Buntcadger that sounds rough. Hope ds is feeling better today.

On a feed day but as with others just not that fussed about eating loads.

10 year old dd1 made me smile yesterday. She said "mummy your tummy is so small" (it isn't). She was comparing me to when I was pregnant with dd2 grin.

Lotsofcake Fri 21-Sep-12 14:15:37

mommybunny yes it does have the calorie counts with the recipes. I highly recommend it as there are plenty of options that are under 300 calories and everything has been very tasty that I have cooked so far. It doesn't include extra rice or pasta in the calorie count but I always try to find a low cal alternative to the pasta or rice therefor stretching my allowance further.

I've seen it in tescos for about £7 but I'm sure amazon do it for a similar price.

2012fan Fri 21-Sep-12 15:15:25

smile laska! Here's to NSVs - we should have a special emoticon for them!
PS I hope the BF for your 22yr old is a past tense BF!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 21-Sep-12 15:46:58

HOpe your DS is ok BuntCadger

Fast day - driving lesson first, trying to arrange a playdate for DS so I have something to do this afternoon. Made a carrot and coriander soup that's sitting in the fridge waiting til the children's teatime when I'll eat as well to avoid picking at their food!

Laska42 Fri 21-Sep-12 16:10:11

2012fan pleeease. Yuk! hmm Quite put me off my tea! he (or rather his dg) is going to make me a gran soon.. (a fair bit earlier than id have really wanted though)

Highly calorific Aubergine parmigiana made ready to go in oven when Dh gets home.. Is it too early for a start of the weekend wine yet?

Have a great weekend all, feasting or fasting.. ill see you all probably several pages on now .. be back on the 500 on Sunday now .

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 21-Sep-12 16:15:47

Breast feeding is such a misnomer - with DS the weight fell off, think I was at pre-pregnancy weight within a month of his birth. DD however it only started coming off when I stopped BF, I think because stopping was slower so my appetite had a chance to slow too

Gratias, green thanks

laska I think the only men on the thread are by proxy... unless <pokes lurkdom> any of you out there spying on us?! grin

DontCallMeHun I'm almost 5' 7" and currently 9st 9lb this morning... I've literally only lost about a pound over the course of three weeks. I imagine that it's because we have very little to lose. I am committed to this as a way of life and so as much as I'd like to be a few pounds lighter it's no issue to me if that takes months to achieve.

(I wrote this at 10.30am and just gonna press post now... I should imagine I've missed a post or twenty!)

Dosey Fri 21-Sep-12 17:52:34

Hi there ladies, I have had a very poor fast day. My weekness was when I did some baking this morning, I haven't stopped eating it. I will have to try again Sunday and make a mental not not to bake on a fast day.

Thank you for the new thread thanks

catsrus Fri 21-Sep-12 17:57:41

Well, non-fast day - and I turned down one of the homemade biscuits dd made last night shock. I did treat myself to 3 scrambled eggs on 2 slices of wholemeal toast for breakfast grin. Busy day today so grabbed some of the veggie soup from yesterday for lunch, but grated lots of cheese into it to make it more interesting. I think all the dcs might be home tonight so we might be in takeaway territory grin definitely will have a glass of wine and a bit of mindless telly after the day I've had!

Thina Fri 21-Sep-12 18:05:20

I fell of the wagon this week, big time sad.
Nice getting to know you all, I don't post much, but I read everything.
Thanks GreenEggs for looking after us and keeping us informed, DON'T ever leave us!!
On Monday I am going to have to be STRONG for my fast day.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 21-Sep-12 18:11:25

Thina whew, I read "nice getting to know you all" and was afraid you were leaving us. smile I'm not going anywhere, and hopefully neither will you. Try not to overdo it this weekend, and we'll see you back and fasting on Monday!

I have an odd weekend coming up. Today is my eating day, usually I fast Saturday then have two eating days in a row, Sun and Mon. This week we have a neighbourhood BBQ to attend on Sat. I'm very tempted to just fast and keep things as usual. I'll decide tomorrow. I'm such a creature of habit, even though I know I can move days around. smile

Thina Fri 21-Sep-12 18:36:16

Thanks GreenEggs, I usually do so well up til about 3pm. This week was TOTM and also a bad news day in the end. I was SO bloody stressed and being such a b*tch to the family, that I just stood in the cupboard and ate ... And ate .... And ate.... Omfg. Then Wed didn't do much better. Just having a large glass of red, long awaited. Keep up the good work y'all.

BuntCadger Fri 21-Sep-12 21:59:32

grin weigh in and another 2lb lost. That's 13lb in 6 weeks.

hoops997 Fri 21-Sep-12 22:00:57

wow bunt that's brilliant grin are you following ADF or 5:2?

TalkinPeace2 Fri 21-Sep-12 22:40:28

Here's a funny thing.
Feed day today. usual Friday pizza and wine - normally much too much wine. Not tonight - both of us ready to stop after a single bottle and both left bits of pizza.
It really does seem to be resetting both of our appetites .

PS - to all those who are succumbing to snacking and baked things : now that you have eaten those foods, do not replace them when you go shopping .... if it ain't in the cupboard you cannot sneak it :-)

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 21-Sep-12 23:21:06

Hmmmm half way through a fast day. Was doing fine, had half a lush health bar when I got to 16hrs (1hr ago) and just had the carrot and coriander soup I made yesterday. Wasn't great to be honest - think DH bought shitty supermarket carrots, now gutted I've wasted 250kcal on non enjoyable food. Stuffed though.

Reckon I have roughly 100kcal to play with which I was going to save for emergency miso later but might have the rest of the health bar instead.

Doing a 25mile training ride tomorrow so will need to eat at 7am, it's 3:15pm now so if I want to eat anything else it needs to be now! Oh bugger. Guess that's my lot then.

On the 16hr thing, is everyone not counting milk in hot drinks, even if you're counting the calories?

BuntCadger Fri 21-Sep-12 23:31:06

hoops I've done:
Week 1&5: 4:3
Weeks 2,3,4 & 6: 5:2

I feel better on the weeks of 5-2 and will stick to that I think. smile

hoops997 Fri 21-Sep-12 23:35:24

I'm doing ADF and finding it ok, my mother said I look thinner today and when I explained the plan she gave me the hmm face. She thinks I'm starving myself and will faint at any minute.

I might do 4:3 to maintain if I get that far grin

pookey Sat 22-Sep-12 00:29:28

I am not counting milk in drinks girlwith but tbh prob should as milk is quite sugary and prob affects blood sugar. I have been drinking skimmed milk. Today I did what would prob be an intermediate day (Haven't looked into this term just guessing) I fasted for 16 hours + only drinking tea and coffeee with milk. I had a fish finger at dinner time then went for curry this evening and had a glass of red wine.

As someone else said not eating leaves more time to get on with things and I actually felt like I had quite a productive day!

hoops my mum would not be impressed with this diet so not going to tell her!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sat 22-Sep-12 00:38:55

My mum's doing it! Thank god because she's coming to stay for two weeks so we can keep each other on track. My brother is coming for 3 weeks afterwards though and pretty sure he'll be fairly unimpressed!!

I'm trying not to really tell anyone though as I can't quite explain it without it sounding really extreme and found in the past the more I harp on about a diet the less likely I am to stick to it!

Skinnyeye Sat 22-Sep-12 01:02:13

Hi all eating day today had come full fat lasagne and chips nom nom and lots of beer bed now night all

Dosey Sat 22-Sep-12 07:33:56

Morning. Well I am on an eating day today and determined to make it a healthy one....sort of. After I ate my body weight in baking yesterday, my tummy doesn't feel good.....why did I do that. We are going to mums for tea tonight so I will look forwarded to just ONE helping of pudding.

I haven't told anybody about this WOE. I don't need to loose weight, just.need to maintain my current weight and reep the benefits of this WOE. And sort out my sugar addiction.

Hope everybody has a good weekend x

Piebaldrider Sat 22-Sep-12 08:06:07

Welcome to the weekend eveyone and for me at least the sun is out and i shall enjoy some time in the open air with my horse. Today i can eat but the funny thing is after a fast day i just dont want too. I managed to do 3 fast days in my first week and yesterday was my first fast day on my second week. I said before i dont weigh myself because fluctuations can cause you great distress and myself to give up many times before. I have tried on my Jodhpurs that wouldnt go over my hips last week and today they are 3/4 of the way over my bottom and there is about a 5 inch gap between the sides of the waistband but thats a big difference on last week. It all seems to be shifting below the waist and today i ma wearing a pair of jeans that were not the most comfrtable last week and today i have pleanty of room so i think its working and i am happy.

Today is only day 10 .....

BelinaTheChicken Sat 22-Sep-12 09:22:01

BuntCadger that's an amazing loss, well done!

Finished my 3rd fast day yesterday, actually ended up under calories! Now I have two eating days in a row, hurrah! Not feeling hungry this morning, so will probably only have coffee until lunchtime. Night shift tonight and tomorrow night, and having previously never really eaten on night shifts, last shift I worked was on a fast, and I found myself gravitating towards the fridge every half hour to stare longingly at the contents blush. So think I may go a bit overboard tonight, so if I'm a bit healthier this morning it won't be too bad. Someone further up suggested that I wouldn't be able to cancel out the deficit on feed days, but I'm pretty sure I could manage it when faced with chocolate, cakes, biscuits and crisps at work!

Herrena Sat 22-Sep-12 10:46:58

Has anyone else found that if they have a larger-than-usual meal on a feed day, they feel really uncomfortably full? I was actually relieved to have a fast day yesterday because we had visitors for dinner the night before and I felt WAY too full, even though we had perfectly ordinary portions....

Looking forward to the weigh-in tomorrow, I've made it a weekly ritual to head down to Boots and use their weighing machine smile

BuntCadger Sat 22-Sep-12 10:57:01

Yes herrena and I can't stomach the thought of a Chinese or fish & chips. Gone off chocolate too

BuntCadger Sat 22-Sep-12 11:03:13

Thanks belina. Lol at night shift nibbling, I remember we used to scoff loads of biscuits and choc on night shift. Glad I don't do them anymore.

I've not gone hugely public with it as font want to feel under pressure. Resisted updating my Fb status with "1 more lb and I've lost a whole stone grin"..

Eating day and not hugh hungry. Had half skimmed/half water coffee,onken fat free yoghurt and slice of homemade banana bread.

HappyOrchid Sat 22-Sep-12 11:03:37

Well at the end of Week 7. I've lost about 4.25lb, will weigh in on Monday.

Went out with my German colleagues on Thursday evening having fasted all day & then dinner was bleurgh.

Potato soup (not too bad)
What can only be described as a black pudding spring roll, served with cabbage and mash with chives in, but it had been piped out & looked like that toilet duck stuff you can use.
Followed by ice cream and prunes.
Drank far too much wine to compensate.

Yesterday was a planned eating day. Had muesli for breakfast & a croissant with honey. Piece of flpajack for lunch & a smoked salmon on a slice of french bread. Then drank half a bottle of white wine at the airport and KFC crispy strips with salad when I got home.

Will fast today, but not telling DH as he says it makes me grumpy, but he hasn't noticed last 3 fast days!

HappyOrchid Sat 22-Sep-12 11:06:22

Herrena Yes, we usually have KFC on a Friday & I would have 3 strip meal with fries & 2 hot wings. But now have swapped fries for side salad and no hot wings and still couldn't finish the last piece.

My body is defitinely recognising full signals and I'm eating more healthily all round.

Ate about two mouthfuls of the blood sausage spring roll to be polite & then left it as did most people. What were they thinking?

hoops997 Sat 22-Sep-12 11:39:03

Need some willpower vibes, on a fast day and at a 2 year olds birthday party, sat with a glass of water thinking about all the nice clothes I can buy when I'm slim grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 11:48:51

oh yes, I did make the mistake of getting the fish and chips last weekend when I went out with friends. Not only could I not finish it (not even close; only ate half, and it wasn't one of those massive takeaway sized things either) but I felt awful all night after. I think I can still manage to have chips as a small treat but two fried things at once- no way, never again. grin

BuntCadger Sat 22-Sep-12 11:54:49

greenegg I wonder why though. I literally felt sick after fish and chips. It's a good thing to not want the high fat but I do not get what has changed. When I've been pregnant I've gone off unhealthy food too.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 12:27:08

I don't know. Might have been the sheer amount of oil. To be fair, even before this WOE, I wasn't keen on having much fried food outside of the odd side of chips. However, I'd never had that reaction before. I felt as if I'd swallowed something large and I felt unwell until the next day.

I'm not going to claim I've been a saint on my eating days grin but I think I'll be avoiding fried foods except in small quantities.

ShortLass Sat 22-Sep-12 12:50:31

Just want to thank people who have posted on these threads with their experiences. I've found that skipping breakfast is the best thing for me. I then have my "breakfast" close to lunctime and have a dinner at dinner time. I try not to eat too early otherwise I go to bed hungry and can't sleep.

Also found that saving some milk calories to have a proper cup of tea or two during the day helps me.

I've been doing it on and off, with a few weeks of only one fast day. Had a holiday (ate loads!) and been to see friends, so results are kind of hidden at the moment, but I'm optimistic.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 12:59:52

Hello everyone,
this thread has been pointed out to me yesterday and I will spend this weekend reading through all 4 parts and the recipe fast day thread and have a look at the links etc.
BUT I do have one quick question for now, do I need to decide which days will be the fasting days before, or could this change from week to week? or do I even go with what feels good, so if I said to myself Thursday and Saturday will be my fasting days, but then after having eaten well on Monday and Tuesday i for some reason feel quite good on Wednesday and not so hungry and think oh well today I won't need to eat much and make this my fasting day instead, is this how it works?

Thanks for your answers in advance as my boring question might have been discussed to death already?!

rosemarysage Sat 22-Sep-12 13:26:59

I move mine around Worldcitizen, partly depending on what else is going on in my week, and also partly if I wake up after a few relatively large eating days I might feel like a fast so do one.

catsrus Sat 22-Sep-12 13:27:06

welcome worldcitizen smile

do the days that suit you and be prepared to be flexible - if you plan a non fast day but realise that you are "in the zone" go for it (happened to me last week) if you plan a fast day but can't face it then make it a non-fast day (and yet again, it happened to me last week - had a few glasses of wine on a non fast evening and needed to eat the next day blush).

You'll soon work out what is right for you - just have the confidence to allow yourself normal eating on non-fast days, not over eating, just "not worrying about it" eating!

HappyOrchid Sat 22-Sep-12 13:39:22

Second what others put here. I try to plan, but sometimes RL gets in the way. So this week knowing I was working away and would have to eat in restaurants I fasted aroundthat.

usually I try to do Mon / Wed / Fri, but the whole point is this is a flexible WOE that adapts to you.

Goos luck

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 13:51:33

Thanks to you all, now I know much more. I have to say, this makes totally sense, as it becomes something where you listen to your body and go with the flow.
makes me think of how breastfeeding by demand kinda works as well, for the baby anyhow.
Also makes me think how different I feel depending on on which day of my monthly cycle I am etc.

Also this sounds to make sense as when I was younger we definitely ate on Saturdays and Mondays less, as Sunday was such a day of over-indulgence. We also had meat-free days etc.
It's only since I am an adult and so much food, sweets, and all the other in-between-stuff available all this gaining weight started, also the kinds of Starbucks with whip cream and syrup and those kinds of things.
And also that a tube of ice-cream used to be in our household for an entire family and not just for one person me

loulou969 Sat 22-Sep-12 14:14:57

Just found these threads which I think answers the milk in tea/coffee question smile

Thelittlestranger Sat 22-Sep-12 14:17:20

Joining this thread finally after reading it for the past few weeks. I've completed 3 weeks of 5:2 and lost 7lbs, although I stalled last week. I put this down to having an 'extra' night out where I overindulged in wine...

I agree with many other posters...I've lost my addiction to chocolate, and having never counted calories (carbs, fat, WW points etc) it's an eye opener to learn what is in stuff.

I'd like to lose another 9lbs to get to pre-pregnancy weight (i have a 14 week old) and then another 10lbs which will take me to 10.5 stone. As I'm also a shortie at 5,2 this is still considered overweight - but I feel positively thin at that weight grin

I usually do Mondays and Thursdays as my fast days, but may change to Tuesday and Thursday this week as I'm busy on these days. Will see he I feel. Usually by Monday I'm ready to fast after the weekend.

Fast days I usually just have tea and coffee until dinner at 530ish. This week's fast dinners are chicken Caesar salad, and salmon with roasted vegetables.

Looking forward to sharing with you all...

Thelittlestranger Sat 22-Sep-12 14:18:23

That was supposed to say I've counted everything apart from calories to lose weight in the past.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 14:20:45

Littlestranger are you saying you did NOT count calories, right?! Oh and congrats on losing that much!!!!

coribells Sat 22-Sep-12 14:47:24

Fast day for me,and I am finding it quite difficult this time. i also have a headache so not helping. Ive eaten one piece of toast today and some porridge. I will have some home made veg and chicken soup later, which will probably mean ill go a bit over a bit.

Havent weighed myself in a few days, am not expecting as good a weight loss as last week , as i am just post period. However my size 16 trousers are starting to feel comfortable again as opposed to bursting out at the seams. wink so thats a good sign.

tumbletumble Sat 22-Sep-12 14:50:35

coribells, I'm also fasting and finding it harder than usual - probably because I don't usually fast at the weekend.

I've been doing this for 3 weeks and have lost 5lb so that is keeping me going!

claretandamberforever Sat 22-Sep-12 15:37:10

Hi guys, new to mumsnet especially so I could join this thread smile

Yesterday was my first fast day, so I'm on an up day today but frightened to death that my arse will expand and I'll gain the entire 23lbs I just lost on a VLCD. I don't suppose there is anyone here who went straight from a VLCD to 5:2 is there?

Aftereightsaremine Sat 22-Sep-12 15:52:28

I fasted Monday & Friday this week & had abt 600 calories on Wednesday. I woke up today with a horrendous migraine & nausea as I have for last few weeks after 3rd day of fasting. I then have horrendous runs & migraine goes,(though nausea remains) this is only happening after 3 fast days though. Has anyone else had this? & to cap it all no weight loss this week!

I'm sort of doing this, only I'm doing Eat Stop Eat which is 2 x 24 hours fasting on non consecutive days each week. Actually I have only done 1 fast a week so far because I'm wary of fasting all day when I have to do the school run, but I reckon I'll get there. Oh, school run is 800 cals of cycling with a child seat btw.

I find this easier than what most of you seem to be doing because there is no calorie counting. I eat dinner and then I don't eat anything until dinner the next night. I then break my fast with a normal meal (ie chicken/rice/veg or pasta/meat/veg type thing and a piece of fruit if I feel I need it).

I am losing about 2lb a week doing this. I do a lot of exercise since I do the school run by bike, but I am not particularly "dieting" on the non fast days, just eating three meals a day with no snacks with a general "no total gluttony" rule.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 16:20:54

littlestranger ooh sounds similar- I never counted calories before, either. I was always obsessed with fat. If I'm honest, that method worked just fine when I was younger, but lost its effectiveness once I reached my 30s.

The big eye-opener for me with this diet has been the fact that indeed, we do not need to eat all the time in order to lose weight. It feels very natural to eat a decent amount of food one day, then have a day with lower calories.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 16:22:52

claret ooh welcome to MN! Have you previously just been a MN lurker, or did you find us by googling the diet? We've picked up several new MNers on this thread. grin

Hopefully someone can answer your question. I'm fairly certain a few people switched to this from other diets (brain is fuzzy and we've gone through a few threads now!) so someone must have some experience with it.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sat 22-Sep-12 16:32:37

Helloooooo!! About to head out on a 35mile ride, good fast day yesterday, was high all day and not snappy at all. And used 400kcal, no alcohol!

Starving when I woke for first time after a fast day but that was good cos of doing this ride I needed a decent breakfast, 2egg and spinach omelette, feel full of energy!

dexterblu Sat 22-Sep-12 16:34:45

Hi I too have started because of this thread never commented on anything before!
I started doing 4:3 for 2 weeks and lost 5 lbs then I switched to fast5 where you fast for 19 hours and eat for 5 every day this has been the easiest for me. There's a free book to download on the fast 5 website too

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 16:37:28

oh, and it's a fast day for me today. I'm baking a courgette cake (probably doesn't sound nice if you haven't had one, but trust me it is- it's about as courgettey as carrot cake is carroty, if that makes sense) for a BBQ I'm about to go to. I don't anticipate being tempted by much. It'd be nice if they had some wine there (I've not eaten yet so I think a glass would do me grin) but it's at a church so perhaps not.

Tomorrow is a food festival at a nearby village, or I'd chuck it in and make today my eating day. I think the food will be higher quality tomorrow, though, and I appreciate that sort of thing. smile

ThatBintAgain Sat 22-Sep-12 16:49:48

Aha, new thread, hello! I just posted on the end of the last one to say that I fasted on Thursday, but yesterday and today have had a horrid taste in my mouth, a bit like pine mouth if you've ever had that? Anyone know why this happens and if it can be avoided?

I've managed 3 fast days this week and am debating another tomorrow, although its quite tricky at the weekend! I don't think I've really lost much if anything though. I suppose should take comfort from the fact that I might now lose my marbles quite as early as I would have otherwise? grin

ThinkICan Sat 22-Sep-12 16:56:41

A question for you all: Do you think feeling hungry is good on a fast day, and shows you are losing weight? And conversely, that when you don't feel hungry, you are either eating too much or your body is digging its heels in and holding on to the pounds? smile

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 16:58:21

Is this diet good for not losing lean mass? I find that a huge issue when dieting, cause my main aim is to keep lean mass and lose only the fat. I know exercise obviously plays a huge role to succeed that way, but how come some of you fast three or even four days?
Would that not make the body feel more in a starving mode and then sort of slows down metabolism?

claretandamberforever Sat 22-Sep-12 17:07:39

Hi GreenEggs, Yes I have been a lurker for a long time. Reading threads has keep me with something to do on many a day at work when I have had nothing to do.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 17:07:57

Putting an eating day between the fast days helps to avoid the whole "starvation mode" thing. Your body has to be below 50% (or more?) of your basal caloric rate (the amount of calories your body needs to maintain its current weight, 2000 calories a day for the 'average' woman) consistently, over time (more than one day!) for this to kick in.

No, I can't quote a single source on this, but you can google starvation mode and you'll get some results.

WC we have a few people here who are on this diet and are not particularly in need of losing much fat. I think they can probably attest to the whole lean mass thing better than I can. smile I just have mass at the moment. wink

(that having been said, I've lost a bunch and will be weighing myself again once TOTM is over. I'm definitely ready for jeans a size smaller, though)

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 17:08:55

claret okay smile I did the same. I was just curious and thought I'd ask!

This forum is possibly more supportive than others on the site, though perhaps not as amusing. grin

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 17:14:10

Wow green one size smaller is fantastic!!!!

Everytime I hear about others' achievements it makes me feel so motivated smile

TalkinPeace2 Sat 22-Sep-12 17:29:16

you mentioned eating toast and porridge on a fast day.
neither of those are very effective foods for calorie restriction.
Breakfast : 2 scrambled eggs will give you the protein hit you need to get through the morning. A BIG plate of steamed veg or veg soup is a good lunch as you can make yourself feel full for almost no calories - and something high protein : a little bit of smoke fish or good ham is nice.
But aim for high protein low carb low fat foods on fast days - it makes it MUCH easier.

TalkinPeace2 Sat 22-Sep-12 17:31:14

call it a way of eating rather than a diet
my uber fit yoga teacher is doing 4:3 - and she has no fat to lose !!!
so long as you keep working the muscles, they will stay :-)

Thelittlestranger Sat 22-Sep-12 17:35:54

Have to agree...if I eat toast, all I want is more toast!

(I meant I never counted calories before)

Lots of variations on the fasting going on here. I guess the end result is we are all eating less, which has got to be a good thing!

I've lurked for ages, posted sporadically in the pregnancy forum when I was preggrs, then forgot my log in details. This thread encouraged me to sign up again - partially so I don't continue to bore my OH.

We have pizza tonight, and I'm going to have a big salad with it, in an attempt bit to eat so much. Healthy choices which I'm not used to making...I shall probably make up for it in wine though!!

BelinaTheChicken Sat 22-Sep-12 17:44:59

Green that's great! I always think dress size is a better indicator anyway, since my weight can fluctuate by up to 5lbs a day (think I retain water a lot) so I'm never convinced by the number on the scales.

TalkinPeace nice ham, surely?

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 17:59:49

Thanks TalkinPeace2 . I will read over this weekend and am trying to get myself into this.
All I did so far was getting rid of sugar, literally no sugar in the house, no in coffee and tea, and started to drink lots of herbal teas, cause they are the only ones I can drink without sugar, and have only one or two cups of regular coffee at the most, now even started to not drink coffee anymore, simply cause I am not craving it.
I am the person who would drink coffee and tea with milk and loads of sugar.
No coke, no lemonade, no fizzy drinks, and cake/pie only on Sunday afternoon with very light dinner.
And I am doing this for pat 5-6 weeks and have lost more than 4 kgs. And have got rid of lots of cellulite. Lots of cellulite all gone.

That's what I meant by getting rid of fat mass. I am 3 stone overweight and have noticed in the past 10-15 years, where my weight went up and down I don't know how many times, that even though I have had sometimes the same weight as before, the clothes still didn't fit even though the scale said, let's say 65 kg like before, but all looked different and clothes fit differently or still didn't fit. That's what I wanted to say what I am worried about.
cause I am hitting my 40's and I understand that lots of things will change anyway, and that losing lean mass or bone density is supposed to be an issue...

muriella Sat 22-Sep-12 18:00:50

Thanks for making the new thread greeneggs. I've not posted for a little while, but finding it fascinating to hear how everyone's getting on.

I've quite significantly adjusted how I'm doing this. Honestly, I felt a bit uncomfortable cal counting so religiously and the spikey approach to cal counting was exactly what an anorexic friend used to do. On top of that, I was over-compensating on feed days, TOTM was a total nightmare and I'm the same weight now that I was when I started 7 weeks ago!!

So...I thought about how I ate normally when I was at my slimmest and I'm going to try just mirroring that. Basically I have an eating window midday-8pm, and so far I'm eating less, my appetite has reduced and I don't feel as though I am going without anything. I think it's similar to the fast 5 approach but obv more generous?

I still want to follow this thread though, it's so interesting hearing how everyone's finding it smile

TalkinPeace2 Sat 22-Sep-12 18:48:03

my yoga teacher is 50 .... most of my friends who are doing IF are (like me) late 40's to late 50's. One turned 70 this week....

scrambled eggs on a slice of good dry cure ham with pepper on top is a yummy yummy meal.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 18:52:23

I guess it's true when they say it's never too late smile

captainmummy Sat 22-Sep-12 18:55:02

Worldcitizen - have you tried Low-carbing? You are already reducing carbs by no fizzy drinks, sugar etc. Reduce a bit more by reducing pasta, potatoes, wheat-products, rice - and see the weight fall off.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 18:59:55

captain thanks, I think I will do that. I'll keep this going until end of September and keep reading and getting myself into the zone.
And thought maybe for month of October start this 5:2 thing and leave out what you've mentioned.

But how would I be able to keep the energy up? When I stopped the sugar, I thought sometimes I couldn't keep on during the day anymore, but after about 3 weeks I had more energy then I remember for a long time. I also don't have crashs in the early afternoon anymore, usually was between 1:30 and 4pm.

So, would I still have anough energy if I get rid of potatoes (which I LOVE), bread (LOVE THAT TOO), rice and other wheat products? I will try, I am determined. I am sick and tired of the weight, as I do feel my weight in my ankles and knees sometimes sad

Skinnyeye Sat 22-Sep-12 19:06:41

Just Marking my place. Eating day again to day but not eaten much due to having a stinking hangover most of the day sad

claretandamberforever Sat 22-Sep-12 20:11:53

Well I've finished my 2nd day (yesterday was a fast day, today a non-fast day, tomorrow will be a fast - I'm going to do 3 a day) and I just feel that I over indulged even though I didn't go over the 1900 calories. I didn't really enjoy it, I can feel my arse expanding as we speak.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 20:20:30

clare it's not expanding, I cannot see it from here grin

lagartija Sat 22-Sep-12 20:31:27


Not fasted all this last week (10 days actually) as I've started back to work and had some v stressful family shit going on. Hoping to get back to it this coming week. Hope everyone is well.

catsrus Sat 22-Sep-12 21:41:28

hi worldcitizen - as you've seen some people are very keen on low carb. I'm more in the "avoid refined carbs" camp for general health reasons. So white flour, white rice and anything that contains them. I eat whole grains and I love potatoes, I have no desire to cut them out of my diet - for me this has to be a WOE that is sustainable long term, which means nothing is forbidden but some things will be rarely eaten and other things will be eaten in moderation. Last night we had a chinese take-away and I did have some white rice with my calorie laden dish shock and it was real treat wink.

Today was a fast day, and I was OK, lots of veggie soup for lunch, a hard boiled egg mid afternoon (I had the nibbles!) a red cabbage dish for dinner and I'm just having a glass of wine now. Tomorrow we are out for Sunday lunch with family, so roast and all the trimmings.

I have lost 10 lbs in six weeks, my BMI was 'high normal' to start and I want it to be 'mid normal'. I love this WOE because it does not make me a slave to food, anything is allowed.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 21:47:59

catsrus this is soooooooooo uplifting. It would be very difficult for me to give up potatoes, I don't need much rice and with all the sweet pie and cake stuff and ll the refined things, well for me it's all has to go, but I do want to be able to eat well with little cake/pie/trifle indulgences on Sunday. Would make invites and parties not so difficult to attend.

What is WOE??? Ten pounds in six weeks is amazing. Your fast day sounds so yummy and I could see this working as I do not need to eat every day that much, especially if I have eaten well two days prior to that including meat, then I am more than happy to have a day without meat and with food on a lighter side.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 22-Sep-12 21:56:46

End of fast day here. I'm glad I stuck to it, despite attending the bbq today. I didn't miss much (it was a community thing so the meat would have been bog standard whatever!) and now I'm free to enjoy some nice (naice, even!) things at the food fair tomorrow.

I avoid carbs on fast days. This has been through trial and error; if I eat some, I get hungry, which isn't a great thing on a fast day.

I don't avoid them on eating days. I'm not saying I load up on them (I avoid white rice and pasta, mostly because I know if I eat a small amount I will just want loads more!) but they do exist in my regular diet.

hoops997 Sat 22-Sep-12 21:59:44

world I believe it's way of eating, I love the fact it's not a diet cause there's so much pressure attached to that word.

Toady was fast day today and I struggled but made it, made the mistake of having a meal early on so was mooching in the kitchen this evening, won't be doing that again!

cats I hope I lose 10lbs in 6 weeks, I'll be near my goal then smile

hoops997 Sat 22-Sep-12 22:01:04

I eat wholewheat pasta, is that low carb?

Thelittlestranger Sat 22-Sep-12 22:02:41

WOE = Way Of Eating


worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 22:06:03

GreenEggs yes that's the issue, eating refined carbs means for me wanting and craving more, same with eating bread, not so much when eating rice and potatoes, thankfully don't like pasts much, only eat it if I have to.

Yes, hoops diet is not good, eating well and healthy for life is much better. I am probably always going to have to watch myself, possibly like an Alcoholic who doesn't drink anymore.

worldcitizen Sat 22-Sep-12 22:07:12

Way of eating, okay grin Sorry, am not an English native speaker, so do not always get those acronyms easily, get confused sometimes.

rosemarysage Sat 22-Sep-12 22:38:47

I don't low-carb but try to stick with healthy wholefood ones as much as possible (I prefer the taste of these as well which makes it easier). I sometimes have porridge on a fast day and I find it filling, but I use Stevia and Cinnamon to sweeten and flavour it rather than sugar. I often have something likes beans as well on a fast day, or lentil soup, and now that I have discovered how low salad is in calories I will be eating more of them as well. grin

Like other people have said I wouldn't eat bread or toast myself on a fast day, as I think it is not filling enough for the calories in it and sometimes I am hungry again fairly soon afterwards, at least by comparison to some other foods. I am going to experiment a bit trying out different foods on fast days to see which are more filling.

For the first time in ages I am craving biscuits (I've managed to only eat a few), and cheese hmmm think it is the time of the month coming on again, a week early angry I hope to fast anyway Monday or Tuesday as I only did one fast-day this week.

Hello again everyone

I've completed two weeks of 5:2 and have managed to lost 4 pounds and put on 3! sad

BUT I have been taking the 'whatever you want' bit literally and eating like every meal is a four-year-old's birthday party.

Can I ask your help please? I obviously need to regulate my 5 days but I just need a sanity check as to what level is a good idea.

I am 5' 6", 11 stone 6 lbs (160lbs), and I do 45 minutes of circuit training 3x a week, plus I walk 2 miles into work and back 3x a week (total 12 miles). Just working out my BMR which seems to 1496. But I can't decide which figure to use to work out my Harris Benedict Equation - lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week) gives me a figure of 2057 whereas moderatetely active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) gives me 2318. Say I dropped these figures by 20% my feast day calorie limit would be 1645 or 1855. Is that right? Do you think it's ok to put some in the bank for other days as long as it evens out over a week? Say 3 of the 5 feast days at 1500 allowing 2 (weekend!) at more like 2000-2500? Am a total greedy pig.

Just really need to get this straight in my head so that I can try and sort out the damage I've done over the past 2 weeks and get back on track. Would really appreciate everyone's help.

Oh, and first fast day was hard, days 2 and 3 much easier, day 4 I made the mistake of trying to factor in 2 lattes and it was all downhill from there. Note to self: sugary, milky coffee is not really your friend!

pookey Sat 22-Sep-12 23:08:01

Hi Betty I am struggling a bit with non fast days. today I really didn't fancy the choccy biscuits everyone else had or ice cream but once I had a piece of choc found it hard to stop (totm is inimment(SP?) though ). If i could kick snacking on non fast days I would be on to something. Def seems to be a trend emerging of either eating within a narrow time frame on fast days or very well planned and healthy low calorie meals (I am too lazy for that approach but it sounds healthier). Glad I am not the only one avoiding telling people in rl about this woe.

pookey Sat 22-Sep-12 23:12:00

sorry and to address cals Bettybutterknife I don't exercise but the calories you mentionwd seem to make sense, I had prev kind of worked out it would be sim to eating 1500 everyday with the advantage of you metabolism being challenged by diff eating patterns?

pookey Sat 22-Sep-12 23:17:41

Sorry just had a look at fast 5 which was recommended recently and thought this info on weightloss to be expected on their site was interesting

"Expect zero weight loss in the first three weeks, which is the adjustment phase. You may even see weight gain during this period due to compensatory overeating. Weight measurement during this time is not recommended, but many people can’t resist, so don’t expect a loss. Three weeks after starting the Fast-5 program, you should see an average of a pound per week loss. That means over the course of four weeks, you should see four pounds lost, but the loss may not be evenly spread from week to week; it can be two pounds one week, none the next, then two again, and so on.
Some people see more rapid weight loss, even in the first three weeks. That’s not a problem, but may not be seen by everyone, and is less likely for someone who’s already been maintaining a low-carb diet. An early loss of several pounds early is likely to be mostly water, so if you see a large early loss, do not expect to see the same rate in later weeks"

ThinkICan Sun 23-Sep-12 03:47:21

Is sugar free gum good to stave off hunger pangs or will they make you hungry instead because of the chewing? What is your advice?

TellMeLater Sun 23-Sep-12 07:23:06

After 7 weeks of trying. I'm back to my lowest measurements. With a combination of low carbing, 5:2 fasting, running and resistance training. Oddly it's all come off in the last week. Monday I weighed in at 64.6kg (after a heavy weekend away with much eating and drinking), this morning I was 61kg but more importantly the tape measure was playing ball and I have lost an inch off my hips.

This weight loss malarky really doesn't work in a linear fashion for me, it used to when i was younger but now it seems to make no sense, it works in fits and starts, no loss for weeks and then a massive fall. Very confusing.

Dosey Sun 23-Sep-12 08:22:23

Morning ladies, well a fast day today for me and I feel ready for it since I have had a few bad days. I am struggling at the moment on my feed and fast days so I am trying to stay positive and busy today.

Tellmelater well done with your loss and your decreased measurements [smilie]

Thinkican not sure about the gum thing, I think it would make me feel more hungry

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 09:53:09

Tellmelater congrats that sounds fantastic!!!! Oh what would I give to be 61kg againenvy

Bordercollielover Sun 23-Sep-12 10:05:36

Hi all, still plodding along. I have lost about a stone now since early August. I am pleased with this as I think that too fast a weight loss can be harmful with regard to the release of toxins that were stored in the fat. In terms of volume I have reduced by 2-3 clothes sizes and actually have a waist appearing from the blubber! I have gone from Obese to the top end of overweight according to the BUPA BMI calculator although this does not differentiate between men and women which seems odd.
I have a query: several people on this thread have referred to a 16 hour gap between meals. Was 16 hours mentioned somewhere as an optimum fasting period? I seem to have missed that information.

I'm inspired & joining you all - 1st fast day today - only water and a tea so far!

However, having to fight myself from habitually pinching a shreddie/raisin from my 2yo. Any tips for this? My DD is often snacking on something moreish .

I think you are supposed to leave at least 16 hours between your last meal on your feed day and your first food on the fast day, because 16 hours is when your body starts to go into repair mode, which is what you want. If you can go longer than 16 hours, so much the better.

Bordercollielover Sun 23-Sep-12 10:27:51

Am I misremembering the Michael Moseley documentary? I thought that one of the scientists said that low protein, plant based foods are the best choices for health benefits when fasting? Although I agree that grain based foods are not good for those of us who then suffer the consequences of the insulin/blood sugar cycles, I took this to mean that we should aim to eat cooked and raw vegetables ? I have noticed posts recommending protein based foods for fasting and wonder if I have got this wrong?

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 23-Sep-12 10:42:56

Bordercollie Eat the diet which suits you best. Moseley did a mostly veg diet, afaik, but a lot of people on this thread are eating different combinations of foods. Some are low carb because that suits them; others are not.

If you're doing this for weight loss, which many people here are, the main stipulation seems to be that you eat 500 calories or less on fast days. The studies I've quoted in the OP mention that test groups who went on this diet ate a varied diet of about 40% carbs, 20 % protein, etc, and still lost weight.

You will see many of us suggesting that people not eat many refined starches on fast days. That's because even those of us who do not low carb admit that they stimulate hunger, so are counter-productive on those days. smile However, I think most people find that out for themselves.

My fast days consist of veg and veg-based soups, fwiw. smile

Bordercollielover Sun 23-Sep-12 10:52:30

Thanks greeneggs. (Don't know how to make the name bold on iPad). I am a vegetarian anyway but deliberately incude higher protein sources of plant protein on eating days. I don't eat grain based foods because that is what, in my case, put the weight on in the first place. What confused me was the mention of deliberately eating animal based protein foods when fasting as I thought someone on the programme had specifically said to avoid those when fasting if you want to go into cell repair mode? I may well be not remembering correctly but I have watched the programme so many times I can't bear to see it again so was hoping someone on here might be able to confirm this or put me straight if I got that wrong.

Skinnyeye Sun 23-Sep-12 11:08:57

Cooking up storm today in preparation for this week's fasts. Got a busy week ahead and I don't want to give myself any excuses for not fasting. Last week was a bit hit and miss so want to get back into routine. Good luck to all you brave Sunday fasters

LookBehindYou Sun 23-Sep-12 12:09:34

Bordercollie yes, the scientist said plant based is best. This has been repeated in most over stuff I've read about 5:2. They also say that you should eat as good quality protein as possible - not necessarily meat based. Meat protein has lots of benefits but also increases the ageing hormone and prevents cell repair and is hard to digest. Hasn't stopped me eating my steak though ;-). I used to eat a lot of veg but have just about doubled it and am trying for three or four vegetarian dinners a week.
Greeneggs would love to have your soup recipes. Mine always seem to taste the same, regardless of the ingredients!
I see some big losses upthread. Congrats everyone.

Really chuffed for you TML - especially given you were so close to quitting not long ago!

Eating today... but as yet nothing but coffee has passed my lips. I may even hold off until dinner as we're going out and it's going to be very calorific. I should imagine I will do at least 1800 on that, possibly a little more so although I won't eat all day, it still won't be a low cal day.

ThinkICan Sun 23-Sep-12 13:57:56

Was reading about a program called 8 Second Secret where you do interval training for 20 mins thrice a week and lose oodles of fat and whatever. Has anyone tried that?

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 14:16:01

I haven't heard about 20 minutes, but have heard about 50-60 minutes. And yes, it's been strongly recommended by my doctors and know women who lost massively weight/fat tissue when combined with change of eating habits.
But know it only as going to specialised gym for this, and where I live the next one is inconveniently located and I know it wouldn't be realistic for me to sign up.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 23-Sep-12 14:53:30

I can highly recommend Jillian Michaels' DVD which features 20 min bootcamp style workouts if you can't make it to a gym. That DVD has 3 levels of difficulty, so if you're coming in not having worked out in a while, you can be eased into it. They are proper workouts; no dancing around, and if you do them correctly you don't have any downtime. But, it's 20 minutes, as she says, if you're wanting to get a good workout in 20 minutes you can't phone it in. smile

(I don't talk about working out much here at the moment because I technically am still waiting for clearance to work out again after having a blood clot in my leg! Strangely, I am quite active, and her workout DVDs were in regular rotation when I was diagnosed, so I'm still waiting for results of tests to see what might have caused it. I'm still active, just have obviously been told to avoid cardiovascular routines for the moment. End of rambling, sorry..)

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 14:59:10

Oh thanks, I know here from America's biggest loser...

Strangely, I have never considered a work-out plan at home. For some reason I didn't think it would work to get fitter and lose weight that way, but thanks for recommending it, seems to have lots of positive feedback too.

Ah, the high intensity thingy majigger exercise routine that,so long as you're not genetically a 'non-responder' should produce results?

Yes, well, I do believe our friend Dr.Moseley espoused this method too! Lemme check with Google, I'll be right back...

Yes, here it is! He also did an horizon programme based on this experiment 'The truth about exercise'

Oh, and pre my last pregnancy but one, when I was slim and toned but 'unfit' I tried the Shred... after the first time I could barely walk the next day! Yet tried to power through the second one. Nope, had to give up. It felt so harshly like punishment I just couldn't do it.

But I know many people, including many unfit people, do awfully well shredding. One of those 'give it a try, you've got nothing much to lose' things...

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 15:12:48

Thanks MandaHug

claretandamberforever Sun 23-Sep-12 15:54:28

Yesterday felt really strange being allowed to eat up to 1900 calories. It felt like loads, and that I was constantly eating.

Anyway I got weighed (which I've been told you shouldn't do after an up day but I wanted to see what the damage was) and was delighted to see I'd lost 0.6lbs since the previous day.

On a down day today which I actually strangely feel more comfortable with. I'm happy with the way I look at the moment so the urgency to lose weight quickly has gone, I'd still like to lose another 18lbs though but I'm happy to do it slowly. I hope this way of eating works for me

HappyOrchid Sun 23-Sep-12 16:03:36

Am now on third eating day in a row & getting fed up of food!

Am looking forward to fast tomorrow, but will prolly be starving as am having veggie lasagne for tea and the pasta always makes me hungry.

I have so far lost very little weight, about 4 - 5lb, all of which went in first month. Then have maintained, but have put jeans on today and there weren't enough notches on my belt. All v. strange.

See you all tomorrow.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 23-Sep-12 16:12:52

Yes, the Shred is something I often recommend, because yes I think it is a good way to get a decent workout in a short period of time, but also because it's just 5 quid. If you try it and it's not for you for whatever reason, it isn't a big loss (cost relative to other videos out there- not trying to tell you everyone can afford to throw around fivers, ofc!) I know a friend who wanted a workout DVD for home and asked for suggestions. She'd seen the infomercial for this DVD set and really had her heart set on it. I suggested the Shred to her, as I knew she hadn't worked out in... ever, probably smile and could use the easy/medium/hard difficulty options. No, of course, why spend 5 pounds when you can spend 100? 100 pounds must mean she'll lose weight faster!

She has, of course, discovered it's meant for people who are already fit, very fit, who want to perfect themselves. She's all but abandoned it, as it doesn't have an easyish mode to allow you to build yourself up to the level of fitness needed to complete it.

Ending rant now. smile

Perhaps said friend might appreciate the shred dvd for christmas, green? At least that way, she might end up fit enough to make use of her super-duper dvds? (gotta admit, the name of it is making me laugh; almost like what the makers think of you hidden in plain sight: Insanity? Really?!) grin

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 16:46:34

Excuse me, one quick question???

When there is weight measurement in stones so there is 11.5 or 12.7.....how far up does it go behind the point. And what is it called? Also pound?

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 16:49:54

Green would you need lots of space in front of the TV to do this workout

rachelblythe Sun 23-Sep-12 17:09:28

Hey everyone, happy Sunday smile
I bought the DVD last week and did my first 20 minute shred workout this morning, on level one, following the modified easier lady steps, rather than the more intense lady. Felt like i had a good work out, at times i thought my arms were going to drop off, but then each 'move' only lasts for 30-60 seconds, then you are targeting another muscle so the pain moves elsewhere! I really enjoyed it. and felt great after. as it has been so long since i did any decent exercise, to begin with i am going to just do this on my feed days for a couple of weeks, until my fitness levels increase, then i might attempt on fast days too.
I've now lost 12.5lb in 6 weeks, lost 10lb in the first three weeks, then nothing for about 10 days, then another 2.5lb in the last 10 days. I've only got another 1.5lb until i reach target, then got to try and sort out some kind of maintenance plan. I get compliments on my new slimline figure everyday now, and i can't believe how easy it has been to achieve. Everyone seems to be doing so well.
My next task is to start getting a bit more adventurous with my food and cooking on fast days so it doesn't become boring.

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 17:27:45

rachelblythe do you need much room space to do this work-out???

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 17:28:52

And congrats by the way!!!!

loulou969 Sun 23-Sep-12 17:37:03

Hi world it goes up to 13 pounds then it's onto the next stone eg: 9 stone 13 pounds then 10 stone.Feed day for me. Had one piece of toast then a pork dinner with 9 veg counting the potatoes! Will be on fast day 1 tomorrow so will have same but without potatoes and just 1 piece of pork rather than 2.
it seems quite simple as long as you plan a little ahead. Really getting into it now and my vegan daughter has nearly said I told you so (regarding the type of food I now seem to be eating most of on fast days) smile

world you need enough room to lay down and hold your arms out to the side, so not much room at all

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 17:47:55

Oh thanks so much. I will try to get this DVD then. 20 minutes is something I should always be able to build in 3.4 times a week, no excuses. I simply cannot go to the gym or be locked to certain dates and times.

I am 5'3 and heading towards 40 so if I could be back down to something between 9 1/2 and 10 stone I would be forever grateful. I think I will never be 9 stone like so many years before and even 9 1/2 might not be possible anymore, but I do want to be fit and toned and have a healthy muscle mass and a better muscle/fat ratio. I think that's my aim. And yes I have thankfully not any illnesses yet, but also would like to prevent them as much as possible, which is why all of this sounds very good. Thanks a lot.

TellMeLater Sun 23-Sep-12 18:44:17

manda thanks for remembering I nearly gave up, you're right I was feeling very disheartened about my lack of weight loss - 7 weeks I have waited for the scales to move and finally it's paid off.
So pleased to be back in my maintainence zone. It's so scary when those scales are climbing week on week and nothing seems to make them move the other way. I've lost 1.5 stone since this time last year and it's proving hard to keep it off.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 23-Sep-12 19:11:09

UK people weigh themselves in stones and pounds.
A stone is 14 pounds
So ten stone is 140 pounds
A pound is 454 grammes - or for ready reckoning half a kilo
so a weight of 10 stone 10 is 10 x 14 plus 10 pounds = 150 pounds or 75kg

American people weigh themselves in pounds so will talk about wanting to get to 120 pounds - which is 8 stone 8 or 60kg in UK versions

TalkinPeace2 Sun 23-Sep-12 19:12:48

The thing to hold in your head about this Way of Eating is that the weight loss down to a healthy weight is a side effect of the larger aim - which is a healthy cardio and hormonal system.
You may not be getting the weight loss, but you may well be already getting the longer term health benefits.
Hang on to that thought.

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 19:47:29

Talkin thanks a lot. I lived in the U.S. and there we would always talk in pounds, no-one mentioned stones, and I couldn't figure out why 60 kg which were here 120 pounds were 132 pounds?! So, I got told there is more than two "American" pounds in a kilo and I would always have to multiply with 2.2????
And I only know I am 5'3 cause I was measured there grin

What would they recommend for a woman of 5'3 and late 30's or early 40's to be. Around 60 kg right or 9 stone right?!

TalkinPeace2 Sun 23-Sep-12 19:53:58

yup, that would be BMI of around 22.5 - which is slap bang in the healthy range

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 20:08:18

Thanks Talkin I have not set this as my goal though. I have put 10.5 as realistic goal and will be delighted if I get there and might even want to stay there and maintain, should there be an option of another half stone the I will know then.
Right now I am 12.10 (converted on my mobile) and I want to start beginning next month and give myself until end of March to lose this 2.5 stone.
By what I am reading here of all the success stories, it is realistic to achieve. Thanks again

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 20:11:30

At the moment I can hardly imagine to get back to 9 or 9 1/2 stone, it's just so far away and I cannot remember how that feels and looks like, which is why I think envisioning 10.5 is more motivating for me.

Someone or a few mentioned small steps and smaller goals and do one after another...this might be the key not to get disheartened to easily...hopefully.

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 23-Sep-12 20:14:26

oh wow worldcitizen I am originally from the US and I thought there were 2.2 lbs to a kilo, not 2. shock I am a firm convert to the metric system, though (I mean it all makes so much sense! Everything in 10's and 100's), so I weigh myself in kilos and convert to pounds when I'm posting on these forums.

I can't abide by stones. wink So posting in pounds is my compromise.

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 20:22:53

Wow MN is great for lots of things. Talkin has given this great efficient explanation which I couldn't find like that on the internet, so I saved it into my phone now.
And Green now you're also one step ahead grin MN is great

Laska42 Sun 23-Sep-12 20:29:51

Hi again all, fasted again today (after a nice eating and wine Friday and Saturday) and experimented by just having the one meal early evening instead of splitting it into breakfast and dinner. So my one meal was a lovely aubergine tomato mozzarella cheese thing and it felt really satisfying.. Don't think I could do just one meal on a work day though as I'm always hungry in the morning so, I think I do need to have breakfast if I'm going to be out all day ..

D cold and wet here though and I felt pretty shivery this afternoon because I was so hungry .. i've put the heating on!

Think ill make some soup tomorrow and will have to start thinking of lovely veggie casseroles for fast days I think..! (next one Tues) but I'm now starting week 5 (I think) and am about 9-10lbs down. I reckon this is such a doable WOE for me I think I can easily stick with it

My..this thread moves on quick!

Laska42 Sun 23-Sep-12 21:18:13

have any of you been keeping up with Dr John Briffa's blog? Despite not getting any royalties myself sad I've been advocating people read his book 'Escape the Diet trap' for a while ....which I was totally amazed at when I read it (having thought I knew everything about diets!... have been at it so long! )

Anyway, I've just read an article he published a few days ago on high fat diets and fasting in mice

and another one here on bread .. which does ring true with me although I love the stuff.. (but don't eat it much these days)

GreenEggsAndNichts Sun 23-Sep-12 21:46:49

WC also you can just put it in to google and you'll get a reponse. Just type "60 kilos in pounds", "150 pounds in stone" or whatever you want converted, and it will do it. Tis lovely. smile

rachelblythe Sun 23-Sep-12 22:34:35

World, MANDA is right it doesn't need much room. If you can swing your arms all around you, then you have probably got enough room. Although i have only tried level 1, but i doubt it changes much, just gets more intense.
Been an eating day for me today, yesterday too. Ready for a fast day tomorrow. Bought me some glorious skinny soups to try, they all sound very tasty with not too many calories, looking forward to trying one of them tomorrow.

muriella Sun 23-Sep-12 22:36:53

Laska Thanks for those links. I just got Waist Disposal from the library yesterday (they don't yet have Escape the Diet Trap). Thanks too for rec-ing Briffa in earlier threads. Interesting stuff.

BIWI Sun 23-Sep-12 22:42:05

Marking place.

Have had a weekend at home, with DF and DB/DSIL, which has led to all manner of bad behaviour. Tomorrow will be my next fast day. I'm going for IF which means missing breakfast. Not sure how many days will be realistic.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 23-Sep-12 22:43:35

Party last night.
Quiet (hungover) day today.
Fast tomorrow.

worldcitizen Sun 23-Sep-12 22:45:56

Thanks to everyone lots of info and feedback and helping out here on this thread. I am getting myself ready and prepared. Due to joining this thread I have not even eaten cake today like I usually do on Sundays, simply cause I wasn't in the mood.
I will look if I can find these recommended Workout DVD's in the library tomorrow.
I am also going to bed soon, as I keep reading that lack of sleep and sleep interruptions and not having a regular sleep-wake cycle has a lot to do with gaining weight or having trouble shifting the weight etc.

I also will start looking at all these soup and veggie recipes. Thankfully I really love soups, stews, and all sorts of vegetables and salads. I think preparing soups and stews is great for colder days, where I appreciate hearty and savoury food smile
Thanks everyone and thanks Laska for the links

frenchfancy Mon 24-Sep-12 06:49:08

Bit of a pig out yesterday. Mc Ds for lunch - I was quite good as I only ate half my potatoes and didn't have a choc muffin, then Sunday dinner with lots of mash followed by cake and cream.

Will try and be good today, but it is DD3s birthday so there will be cake. I will fast tomorrow.

Still losing weight though, and I love the fact I can eat cake and not feel guilty.

Dosey Mon 24-Sep-12 06:49:31

Morning I had a fast day yesterday and did very well. I managed to go until 2pm before I had an apple. Then for tea u had a bagel and cheese and was still within my 500 calories. I feel great today and looking forward to a healthy eating day.

I have lost 13lbs in six weeks which I am very pleased with. MFP has increased my daily calories too which can only be a good thing !!

Good luck to fasters today.

hoops997 Mon 24-Sep-12 08:31:34

Fast day for me today and I have to go to the dentist cause I broke my tooth! Should be an easy fast day grin

TellMeLater Mon 24-Sep-12 09:11:54

Fast day for me!

"Talkinpeace" my primary motivation for fasting is weight control. Most of the immediate health benefits obtained from fasting I would get anyway from low carbing, running 20miles a week and resistance training twice a week.

The science of fasting is so new, so unproven in humans, health benefits are by no means a given....so for me the health benefits are the nice side effect - if they happen....there's no guarantees, so to fast in the hope that you might be improving your health wouldn't motivate me but weight control will.

mistlethrush Mon 24-Sep-12 09:18:40

OK, so I'm going for it to see whether it might work for me as keeping to a low cal low carb doesn't really do much - so will stick to that for most days and also add in the fast days.

I've had a small bowl of plain porridge for breakfast and I've brought in a DIY hot and sour soup to make for lunch in the office (we have a microwave) - 3 mushrooms, bit of chilli, bit of ginger, bit of lemon grass and some basil leaves and stock powder. I shall report back later on its success or failure!

I shall have a big plate of salad this evening with balsamic vinegar. I'm hoping I'll get all the positives of how I used to feel when I went on a fruit diet for a bit - used to get down to 5 pieces of fruit a day and be full of energy on that and could keep that up for 2 weeks quite happily - but realise that that's not exactly a good routine to get into and haven't done it since I had to to get into my ball dress at uni for the ball at the end of the year blush

Thelittlestranger Mon 24-Sep-12 09:32:17

Morning...start of week 4 for me, 1st fast day of the week. Quite happy to do it, after eating all weekend. Although I made some sensible choices this weekend, and have therefore not put on the obligatory 3lbs which I usually have to lose during my fast day today. So feeling extremely positive about losing weight this week, after staying the same last week.

Just enjoying my milky coffee, then won't eat until I have tea with the kids at 5.30. I have a hard boiled egg in the fridge in case I get the munchies. Then off to aerobics this evening, so I'm not sitting in and thing about food.

Considering salmon with roasted veg or chicken caesar salad for tea. The online shop is arriving shortly, so I'll work out calories on MFP.

I too am on this to lose weight first, and other health benefits second. I suspect this is because I'm overweight!! Get rid of the fat, and the other health benefits should follow...

Happy fast day all!

(I can never get my head round kgs...)

ThatBintAgain Mon 24-Sep-12 09:35:00

Morning everyone. I've roped DH into doing this as well, he did his first fast day yesterday with me. I know what's going to happen though; he'll lose a stone by Friday and I'll probably put his weight on!

Seriously though, have been doing this for 8 days, ADF as well. I had a bit of a blow out on Saturday, but probably haven't been going over 1800-200 on other eating days, and less than 500 on fast days...and I've lost nothing. Maybe half a pound? My clothes don't even feel particularly looser. I'm starting to get really fed up, I swear I could probably not eat for a week and nothing would happen, my body appears to be incredibly stubborn. I'm going to keep on with it, because it's not all about the weight loss, but I'm wondering if should stick to doing Slimming World on eating days, so in theory I can still eat as much as I want but only of certain lower fat things. I know that goes against the spirit a bit, but I don't know what else to do.

Morning all, first fast of week two for me today! I am a bit worried as we were away for a long weekend with friends in Devon from Thursday to yesterday, so huge meals, pub lunches, lots of pudding and even more booze consumed - which technically should be fine as they were all eating days, but I can't help feeling I will have somehow stretched my stomach to become used to that level of eating and so today will be impossible! Does that actually happen or am I being silly?? We did go surfing, biking and walking so I hope some of the bad is cancelled out...

Thelittlestranger Mon 24-Sep-12 09:44:27

Littlemisstan, I'm finding each fast day easier despite what I eat on my feed days.

But what I have found happening is that I'm starting to eat less on my eating days, as I just don't want as much....

ChazsGoldAttitude Mon 24-Sep-12 09:58:21

Fast day yesterday and a run. It went well. 300 cals around 2.30pm and a 200 cal snack at 8pm. Didn't eat breakfast until gone 9am this morning and wasn't ridiculously hungry. English muffin and scrambled eggs.

Gym today. I bet the kids will have polished off the last of the prawn crackers I was resisting yesterday by the time I get home.

RightBuggerforGOLD Mon 24-Sep-12 10:06:13

Thatbint That sounds like a good idea, can't hurt to try it that way for a few weeks and see if it helps anyway.

End of week 7 weigh in, and I have lost another 3 lbs, so a total of 1st 8lbs. I am also wearing size 10 non maternity jeans!! Although I do have to undo them if I want to sit down. Winning!

Yesterday was an eating day and we went for a mexican, but didnt overdo it the rest of the day, so didnt have that eaters remorse I often feel! Fasting today. :-)

BuntCadger Mon 24-Sep-12 10:06:57

Looks like an impromptu fast day may be on the cards today as dh is poorly and I'm not feeling so great myself.

Laska42 Mon 24-Sep-12 10:37:57

eating today and making a curry ...

Thanks Green eggs.

Beginning of 8th week for me, was hoping to do my first 3 day week last week and fast as an extra on Sunday, but I woke up with a sore throat and cold and decided probably best not to. But I also weighed myself on Saturday, and I was 11 2, down from 11 8 starting weight, and after it being quite up and down initially, I am really pleased. I've adjusted my head from focussing on losing quickly, have realised I find it easier and easier as a lifestyle/weight management choice, and as long as overall the weight is going down, then I am happy. But I am so looking forward to getting under the 11 stone mark!

I've been thinking about what many people are noticing which is that we are choosing to eat less, and being more aware of what we eat on non fast days, and I think that is because for many of us we are really having to think about how many calories are in things for the fast days, which is bringing it into our conscious mind, although many of us generally know vaguely the calories of food already, it's quite a subconscious, push to the back of the mind thing, and the 2 days of fasting is highlighting it.

I went to buy a supermarket curry and just automatically checked the calories, when i realised it was 690 I was just like, no way, even though it was a non fast day, I decided to make a salad instead. That is not to say that I am not still eating chocolate on my non fast days, I am, but overall I'm pretty sure i am making better overall choices on the non fast days.

I'm also attempting to snack less and push myself further in between meals as I've realised I enjoy the taste of food more when I feel hungry, I used to think this was a bad way of eating and you should eat little and often, but now not so sure.

fasting tomorrow and thurs, seeing my bf on Fri, can't wait as it will be 12 days apart by then.

rightbugger wow! that is a very impressive weight loss, it seems odd to me that people are experiencing such different weight losses, you and I have been doing it the same length of time, but I have just lost 6lbs, but I guess we're all different. anyway, congrats, really pleased for you!

BelinaTheChicken Mon 24-Sep-12 10:48:22

Just weighed in to find that I have lost 3lbs in the first week. Really happy with that, only 15lbs to go till I'm at pre pregnancy weight, and I didn't get down to it between pregnancies. I'm in the healthy range for BMI, but I have next to no muscle mass even when I'm fit, so need to be towards the bottom of BMI to have healthy fat levels.

Fast day today, and have two friends coming round for a play date, and I normally feed them lunch, not sure what to do about that, as I won't be eating anything, but will feel rude not feeding them confused. Maybe I'll offer them soup, then at least I can have some with them and not look like a weirdo

ThatBint I'm not doing Slimming World, but I am calorie counting and trying to make healthy choices on my eating days as I'm a fridge picker, and can add 100s of calories on top of my normal meals without even noticing, so if it's not working eating what you want, it's worth a try!

BelinaTheChicken Mon 24-Sep-12 10:53:33

RightBugger that is really amazing, and size 10 is brilliant

mumof I'm the same, I'm happy eating chocolate, but if I'm going to eat high calorie foods, I want them to taste high calorie! So chocolate is fine, but high calorie curry not, especially as I'm just as happy with a low cal one, like rogan josh

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 10:58:51

Is there a way to prepare a low cal curry??? Would love to know in case anyone has a recipe at hand smile

mommybunny Mon 24-Sep-12 11:00:41

Fasting today after a pretty "normal" eating weekend, though one with a cooking course at Le Cordon Bleu on Saturday! It was so much fun, and great to be able to enjoy it without any guilt. Yesterday we had company for Sunday lunch, and when we have company for lunch we rarely have dinner/tea. So I last ate a choccy with coffee at about 4 yesterday. I'm meeting some friends for lunch today and I'm a little nervous as I don't have a "menu" from the restaurant and can't plan in advance what I'll have. I really want to stay on the fast today because I want to see if I do better with 2 feed days between fasts rather than the 1 I was doing last week. But at the same time I don't want to burden my friends with my calorie counting.

Oh, and I finally weighed myself - 10st2 (142 lbs), which is not as low as I'd like but not as high as I'd feared. I'd like to get south of 9st4 (130 lbs), which at 5'3 1/2" is a good "fighting weight" for me at 45 years old. There was a great post earlier up the thread (was if from pookey?) that said in the first 3 weeks you may find you lose nothing at all as your body adjusts to this new WoE. If you can avoid weighing yourself in the first 3 weeks- month you may avoid disappointment and discouragement. So I'm going to lay off till 3 Mondays from now, and see where I get to. I hadn't felt I was seeing any progress, having done 5:2 faithfully for 10 days - jeans were no looser, and my face still as pudgy. But I will use the scales to see progress in 3 weeks' time.

Happy fasting/feasting, everyone!

BelinaTheChicken Mon 24-Sep-12 11:05:12

lower cal probably a better description! But Rogan Josh is tomato based so lower in calories than coconut milk ones. Waitrose does a Biryani mix that is really nice and they do a low cal version. I'll try and get the recipe for rogan josh from my sister

pookey Mon 24-Sep-12 11:19:52

How much weight do you need to lose The bint, I was looking on Mark's daily apple and there is a discussion that IF might not be sutable for certain women. There is also a lot on there about women functioning higher when they are fasting which rings true because my grades shot up when I was a teenager and restricted calories (periods also stopped).

For me it's a fast day but I had a metalic taste in my mouth this morning (what's that about does anyone know, somebody else was experiencing that?)so have just eaten half a slice of homemade wm bread and peanut butter will prob have some chopped carrots later and try to eat a small dinner but not going to worry too much about cals. Bit confused about health and likely weightloss of this diet but def want to continue some fasting because it does seem to encourage better eating on non fast days as mumofcrazynamedkids said.

pookey Mon 24-Sep-12 11:27:45

Hi yes mommybunny was me, I started my period yest so will prob weigh myself tomorrow and then at day 3 ish of next cycle and see what the results are. Bit nervous anout my weight but managed to squeeze into my 14 jeans this morning and don't think i would have been able if I hadn't been following this plan for the last week.

RightBuggerforGOLD Mon 24-Sep-12 11:55:08

Thank you! mumof this might be nonsense, but I think weight becomes more difficult to lose the longer its been on. At the mo I am getting rid of quite recent weight still. I was 8st3 when I got pg with ds, who is 11weeks, and I am now 8st11. I was 7st3 when I got pg with dd (2.10) (I'm only 5'1 and very slight build). So I think I will lose fairly steadily until 8st3 and I anticipate that if I get below that it will be be a bit of a long slog back to pre-dd weight. I don't mind too much though if that bit takes a while, as at least I have some clothes to get comfortably into once I get back to pre-ds weight!

Mintyy Mon 24-Sep-12 12:12:55

Just marking place on thread and fasting. Have stuck faithfully to fasts on Mondays and Thursdays since 1st September. Think may possibly have lost a tiny bit of weight (I have loads to lose) but can't really tell until I've weighed myself.

Agree with everyone's posts about this intermittent fasting have a generally positive effect on the amount and what you choose to eat on non-fast days.

Laska42 Mon 24-Sep-12 12:14:44

worldcitizen You can make a curry pretty low cal if you concentrate on the veggies rather than the meat (or leave meat out altogether) .. I tend to use a curry paste a bit like Pataks (only I get Anilas as I think they are much nicer -they have a website) and no additional oil except what's in the paste (and i drain as much of that off as I can) ..

However if you make it totally from scratch using the spices it can be even less, but I don't usually as it takes much longer - and you would need oil to fry the spices off if you wanted it to taste really authentic really

So today i sweated off carrots celery and onions in chicken stock (you could use veggie if you want) rather than oil. then added garlic , grated ginger ,a cinnamon stick , some tomatoes and 2 tablespoons of the drained curry paste, then three skinless chicken thighs with all fat cut off, simmered it it for a while then added some mushrooms courgette (zucchini) an orange pepper chopped up and some frozen cauliflower..

Its smelling good, will probably take another hour , then when I serve it ill take the meat off the bone and chop it back in and add loads of of fresh chopped coriander ( and some more chilli sauce - l like it hot ) .. ..It will be enough for about 4 or 5 good big bowlfuls .. .. I reckon of about 350 cal each at most and ill probably put a dollop of natural yog on the top but wont have rice with it

TalkinPeace2 Mon 24-Sep-12 12:29:21

The science of fasting is so new, so unproven in humans, health benefits are by no means a given....so for me the health benefits are the nice side effect - if they happen....there's no guarantees
That is not actually true.

The scientific studies of calorie restriction started in the 19th Century.
There were substantial cohort studies of people from the 1930's depression in the USA
The Dutch study of people who suffered in WW2 during their blockade has been running since 1946.
Studies on Japanese who routinely do not finish meals (as a sign of politeness) started in the 1920's
The evidence is unequivocal. Restricted calorie intake extends life and reduces cardiovascular illness and cancer.
The new link is with Alzheimers - which may soon be renamed Type 3 diabetes.

For once we are all trying a diet that STARTED with the Science and THEN hit the press, rather than a book/celebrity endorsement then being checked out scientifically.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 12:31:43

Thanks for that Laska your description made my mouth watery, sounds very good, Could literally envision it.
Does this mean the coconut has to go??? sad

frenchfancy Mon 24-Sep-12 12:32:58

There are a couple of veg curry recipes on the recipe thread

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 12:35:36

Thanks Frenchfancy

RightBugger I think there's something in your theory. Before getting pregnant with DS1 6 years ago I was 10 stone, after having him I got down to around 11 3 where I stayed until getting pg with DS2 3 years ago. After having him I was 13 stone 9, have dropped 2.5 stone in the first year since having him, but have stayed around 11 3 for the past year. Finding this last stone and a bit really, really tough to shift. Despite doing what I did to lose 2.5 stone!

Very annoying.

I have a question - at various points in the thread people have referenced 1900 cals for feast days. Is that a general guideline? Really struggling NOT to stuff my face like I did when I was pg on feast days - starting to realise I have a very unhealthy relationship to food sad I'm fine if I'm totally restricted, but unrestricted? Makes me go crazy.

Laska42 Mon 24-Sep-12 12:45:03

No not really world... if you were eating it on a feast day you could just shave some coconut of a block of paste (or add fresh grated if you have some) and add it to your portion before you heat it up! (and also have it with all the extras - rice, chutney papadum etc ) That's what's so good about this WOE..

Just eating a small bowlful for lunch now! (not fasting today) Just what i need on this cold day here .. smile

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 12:48:44

Thanks Laska I'll try. I am going to start this 5:2 next month and have set 10 weeks for the beginning and will see....

So, am reading and getting myself into the zone and am also looking into recipes and what I need to have in the cupboard and fridge. Trying to have some pre-planned meals and have stuff to choose from at home...

Laska42 Mon 24-Sep-12 12:57:02

have just added the link to Anilas curry sauces to the
Recipe link

They are great .. I get them mail order (live on the IOW .. we don't get too much choice over here )

Thelittlestranger Mon 24-Sep-12 12:57:07

Bettybutterknife - Using MFP I'm trying to average 1200 calories every day, across the week to lose 2lbs a week. So, having 500 cals on two days of the week 'allows' for having slightly more on other days and still lose weight...

Was hungry, and had past 16 hours point, so just tucked in to Boiled egg, tomato and two slices of wafer thin ham and am stuffed! All for 90 calories. Have gone with salmon and roasted peppers, onion, courgettes and small amount of potato for dinner tonight.

pookey Mon 24-Sep-12 12:57:27

TalkinPeace2 are the effects the same for women in those studies? Bit worried about the stuff I read on here www.marksdailyapple.com/women-and-intermittent-fasting/#axzz27NcJ8OTG which suggests this woe puts stress on women's bodies.

How are you fasting are you having one meal or eating veg etc through the day and are you controling cals on non fast days? This woe eating makes sense to me like I said before do want to continue but hopefully in a fairly healthy way.

Dinner was scrummy last night - however, I usually do not have the bread that is served with oil/balsamic before the starters but last night I ate four or five pieces!

Despite that, and it being my second eating day in a row, this morning I'm still 60.5 which is heartening.

After shifting my cold from last week, I've awoken with... another cold! DS3 is very snuffly too so not much sleep for us last night. It's an eating day but I don't feel like eating yet. I want to take something to dry up my nose but alas that'll dry up my milk too so I'll just have to suffer <martyr> grin

Lots of great weight loss/finding it easy to stick to fasts being reported - yay!

ThatBint 8 days in isn't really very long and it seems there are three fairly distinct groups of us when it comes to weight loss: most seem to loss a fair amount straight off, then settle into a more steady loss, the 'middle group' lose pretty steadily, but sloooowly, and the smallest group don't lose much at all for some time until something 'clicks' and suddenly they do (could be their bodies take time to adjust, or there is a period in the beginning where eating days are particularly indulgent as the psychological and physical switch takes a little time to happen (ie the appetite 'reset' I think most if not all of us see)).

It would seem perhaps you're going to be in the middle group or the slower responding group but I feel confident you WILL see results. Also many women see a stall/gain/struggle around their period - relevant to you too? Hang in there.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 24-Sep-12 13:05:28

Betty people refer to guideline calories for eating days mostly because yes, sometimes people need a general idea of what a normal eating day is. grin For some, 1900 calories is their BMR. If you follow the steps on this link, you should be able to figure out the number of calories your body needs to maintain its current weight. That is, approximately, the number of calories you should be eating on non-fast days.

You will likely begin to self-regulated over time. My first week or so of fasting, I spent my eating days eating more than usual (but still losing weight). I don't do that any more; I still have nice things to eat, but just not very much of them. The fasting days have helped decrease my hunger on those days.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 24-Sep-12 13:06:50

I never eat breakfast. Tea and orange juice is my morning ration - has been for 35 years, except on Sundays.
Today's lunch will be black coffee and a couple of apples. So I have 500 calories for supper tonight.
On a normal day I have a small sandwich or salad or soup for lunch and then a decent sized supper. I'm not drinking during the week - it seems to be around 2000 calories averaged out.

And yes, calories restriction DOES put stress on your body. That is the whole point. It forces the body to dip into reserves and go into repair mode. Feeling hungry a bit and pushing yourself a bit are not bad things. We lived with them for tens of thousands of years. Only the modern food industry convinces us to "banish hunger pangs".

Have a look at this : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944
For many months, through a bitter winter, the whole population was forced to live on 580 calories a day, every day. Some died but most did not. Bodies are resilient.

Laska42 Mon 24-Sep-12 13:07:59

bettybutterknife my stats were almost identical to your before I started this WOE , and I also stuck at about 11.5 for the last year or so, but since doing this I've dropped about 9-10lb.

I definitely don't eat as many as 1900 on eating days any more , in fact some days I struggle to eat much at all ( not today!!) . One thing i have noticed and DH commented (not unkindly) on it, is that my overall portion size is on eating days is MUCH less than it was before I started this. I'm not feeling deprived at all , having just what I want on food days but just don't seem to want so much .. I think (as they said on the tv prog) , if your body is constantly in 'go go' mode you do eat more.. Fasting seems to have broken that chain ..

Have you done your BMR? (link above on the info bit at the top of the page ) it will give you some idea of how much you can eat on feed days

Good luck.. I didn't think id ever do it either.. it does work and we are all here routing f r each other , but I think its important not to get too hung up on it if its not working YET..If you are at all like me you'll gradually get into it and lose the 'fear' of being hungry as you do more..

pookey Mon 24-Sep-12 13:14:55

Thanks Talkinpeace - funnily enough I feel less shakey weird if I don't have breakfast than if i have white toast so I may try to adopt that strategy too maybe with late yog or porridge occasionally on non fast day. Will check out that link.

mistlethrush Mon 24-Sep-12 13:19:33

Pookey - white toast would give you a big rush of sugars (because its very easily broken down) so you would be more likely to then get a dip afterwards (for me that results in the shakes). I had porridge made with 3 dessert spoons of porridge oats and hot water for my breakfast this morning at 7am - and haven't made my soup yet (more like broth to be fair) although I have been drinking some green tea to put it off a bit....

2012fan Mon 24-Sep-12 13:23:06

Just drooling over your curry recipe laska. BTW, congrats on your impending grannyhood. I became a granny 9 months ago and it's A-MAZ-ING.

Fast day today - 0 cals for breakfast and about 100 for lunch in form of courgette and cauliflower soup. Lots of cals left for this evening (curry perhaps?!)

hoops997 Mon 24-Sep-12 13:44:07

Just had lunch, I blended together a potato, leek and a couple of carrots boiled in vegetable stock. Was lovely and I only had half of it, will have the other half later, only 233 calories for the whole lot smile

TellMeLater Mon 24-Sep-12 13:57:38

talkinpeace I can't see the study that supports the 5:2 diet.

RightBuggerforGOLD Mon 24-Sep-12 14:04:47

Well todays fast has gone out the window. Dh is working from home so we had fastfood for lunch. Nevermind, will just do Tues, Thurs, Sat this week instead of mon, wed, fri. I am totally over not fasting at weekends 'in case it ruins my weekend'. Since I tried to do a consecutive Thurs and Fri fast last week to avoid a saturday fast. Thur and fri were fine, but i was sooo bad on the saturday after, scoffed breakfast after nearly collapsing and then bought it straight back up again! That was much more of a ruined weekend than just having a fast day!

Thina Mon 24-Sep-12 14:24:18

On a fast day today, so far had some galia melon (it's v filling) and a cuppa soup at 2pm, then WW curry later, just about 500 altogether including my tea/coffee milk.

Went to a meeting this morning with Gi-Normous Scones and little tarts, I had a raspberry tea. Can you see my halo from where you are???

This is my third week and this might be the first day I actually keep to the 500 and not fall off the wagon due to some poor excuse and I lasted til 2pm until I ate so a good 17 hours fast :-)!!!

Keep your fingers and toes crossed...

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 14:26:55

Thina Halo shining so much, where even I can see it grin

I wondered what that shining thing I could see was, thina. Goodness knows it's not the sun <looks at sheet rain and hears the wind whistling>

So keep it up - it's the only thing brightening up a depressingly grey day!

TalkinPeace2 Mon 24-Sep-12 14:48:36

The 5:2 is a softer variant of ADF which is itself a softer variant of periodic fasting which is itself a softer variant of permanent calorie restriction.
The medical principles are identical.

And if you worry about the implications of periodic fasting on the female body, have a natter with any of your Moslem friends who have been adhering to Ramadan for a month every year of their lives ..... and the further from the equator they travel, the longer that fasting time can be (especially this year as it was in July).

captainmummy Mon 24-Sep-12 15:02:37

Fast day for me today, missed breakfst (still feeling ick after hangover from saturday night!) and had small portion of chicken breast with lettuce at 12. (MFP puts this at 231 cals! Can't possibly be right, so I changed it to a different 'chicken, breast, roast' heading and it's now 110 cals for the same amount!)
Made stock with the chicken carcass and have soup on the go, just stock, carrots,leek. Hopefully will be still under 500 cals by end of today.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 15:06:30

It might sound daft, but my impression is when looking at much older generations in Germany (where I am right now) who were born between 1900 and 1920 and who suffered a lot of hunger and who are the ones who when times got better, were still not prone to overeating and they adhered to strict non-processed food regimes, only one large meal a day, on some days more over-indulgence on others less food etc.... They are the healthiest with the least typical illnesses other generations after them were commonly known for.
And if you know their stories, many of them have survived 2 wars and they have suffered for many post-war years as well...and they were a generation where it wasn't uncommon to live until your late 80's and 90's.
When I look at their fitness, I marvel at them.

TellMeLater Mon 24-Sep-12 15:19:26

talkinpeace yes we believe fasting is beneficial but we're guessing when it comes to how much we need to fast, we know very little about the health impact of the 5:2 diet.

We don't know how much, adding milk to our tea and coffee or drip feeding calories throughout the day, will affect the health benefits on this diet compared to a full on fast.
We dont have comparitive study of the health impacts 4:3, 5:2 or 6:1 or the 16hr fast - people are just making it up as they go along.
We don't know the impact of eating 200kcal for lunch and then 300 kcal for dinner compared with 500kcal in one meal.
We are not sure how much protein we should be eating on a fast day.
We are no sure whether what % of daily calories we can eat and still get the health benefits we desire.
There are many questions people are asking and no one has the answers - not answers backed up by scientific studies and analysis.
Dh for example does not need to lose any weight, he would like to obtain the health benefits - can he go on 13:1 or the 6:1 diet or will only fasting once a week/fortnight be a waste of time? No one knows!

I think the health benefits may be there but my chosen method of fasting may be less effective, I don't know and it looks like no one else does - we are part of the experiment.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 15:23:46

Tellmelater in my experience, it is possible to sort of "listen" to your body and observe yourself every day and every week...your body and mood will tell you and you'll feel what might be right. Sounds shallow what I am saying right now, but just wanted to share how much I feel I know my body and my moods best.

I could not folow the idea of eating 5-6 small meals for example. Also cannot eat Müsli, another example...

LookBehindYou Mon 24-Sep-12 15:37:34

TalkingPeace, in Ramadan food might be delayed but the calaries are not reduced. They take particular care in preparing their food during this time and often adapt their daily routine. One study found a 20% increase in disability for babies conceived during Ramadan. It is not clear.

There are definite differences in the way men and women physiologically react to fasting. I've seen articles and research out there that describe how cycles and hormones can be disrupted by fasting and I experienced a strange cycle last month. Maybe it was coincidence but I think I'll wait until there are more studies on fasting and fertility before I continue fasting.

Rosylarose Mon 24-Sep-12 15:50:55

Gah - didn't realise there was a new thread, so posted on the old. Won't repeat myself. Also posted a recipe because I didn't realise there was a separate thread. red face

TalkinPeace2 Mon 24-Sep-12 15:51:31

Could you find me the medical studies that prove Atkins / Dukan / Slimfast / Weightwatchers / Lighter Life are safe with no long term health impacts?

The point is that the health effects of cutting back of food a bit CANNOT be as bad as the health effects of morbid obesity, heart disease, diabetes, diverticulitsis, colitis and all the other diseases associated with the modern western diet.

And frankly most slim people have been fasting / calorie restricting all their lives - that is why they are thin.

TellMeLater Mon 24-Sep-12 15:54:30

lookbehindyou I read somewhere there was evidence to suggest the fertility of the human body is better able to cope with a deficit of calories created from intensive exercise than from calorie limitation. But if I wanted to conceive another child I'd be wary of doing either.

I think the health benefits associated with this type of diet do make it more socially acceptable and make it sound much less faddish. Mind you there is plenty of scientific evidence to support low carbing but it's still seen as as a faddy diet.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 15:56:15

LookBehindYou the spiritual and meditative/self-reflective factors which play a role Ramadanfasting is something to consider as well.
And also as you know in Ramadan, if being pregant or ill or too young, too old, or being on your period etc. is all a good reason not to fast and to have some alternative way of fasting or postponing those days etc.
In fact, as far as I understood Ramadanfasting, even though your body and health and life circumstances might prevent you from doing it, is not considered an admirable religious virtue, right!?

LookBehindYou Mon 24-Sep-12 15:56:22

Thin doesn't always equal healthy TalkingPeace
Many slim people have not been 'calorie restricting' - they have been eating a sensible portion. Big difference.

LookBehindYou Mon 24-Sep-12 15:59:23

worldcitizen of course there are spiritual benefits to doing ramadan but that isn't what we were discussing.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:00:55

even though your body and health and life circumstances might prevent you from doing it, and you still stick to fasting is not considered an admirable religious virtue, right!?

That's what i meant to say/ask!? smile

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:02:02

No, no I was bringing that up as a possible reason for why it also seem easier or do-able etc.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:03:17

might seem easier, getting yourself into the zone for something mentally and spiritually makes it sometimes easier...if not weight loss is the main aim, I think smile

LookBehindYou Mon 24-Sep-12 16:08:06

Yes totally worldcitizen

TellMeLater Mon 24-Sep-12 16:09:31

Didn't people used to fast before Christmas, it was seen as semi religious but it was more likely that it was a way of saving up food for a feast.

Lent happens to coincide with the hungry months of March and April, having a spiritual reason for fasting must make it a lot easier. Do you think fasting over lent would give you health benefits all year around? I expect it not, Michael Mosley's health benefits in his blood, from his 3 day fast disappeared pretty quickly but we have no way of knowing what you need to do to maintain the health benefits that diminish your risk of Alzheimer's or dementia - do we? because that is all I'm interested in - the other health benefits I already get from elsewhere.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:15:37

tell me I believe lent fasting could be very beneficial, and yes I believe Orthodox Christians fast before Christmas as well...don't nail me on this one please.
And I do believe the combination of religious fasting and going to mass/prayer etc. possibly reading more than usual in your book of prayer of choice etc. can have the effect of being more in tune with yourself, your body, the body.spiritual connection, reflecting upon yourself and your connection to food and drink and all that.
Could be good, I think.

LookBehindYou Mon 24-Sep-12 16:29:50

Anyway, sorry ladies I didn't mean to hijack the thread. There does seem to be many health benefits to the IF/5:2 woe, it just isn't for me right now.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 24-Sep-12 16:33:17

Lookbehindyou - the people I know who are thriving on it are all over 45 and have youngest child at secondary school. It does seem excellent for middle age spread, maybe less good for those whose bodies are a bit younger :-)

mommybunny Mon 24-Sep-12 16:34:25

Yes, worldcitizen, Orthodox Christians do "fast" (of a fashion) during their Advent - I had never known that but my (RC) cousin married a girl from a Russian Orthodox family and they had a birthday party for their daughter on the 31 December just past. My cousin's wife's family brought their own cake made without eggs (or, I believe, flour) because they were fasting before their Christmas, which wouldn't take place till January.

The movie "Chocolat" has a very good description of just how strict Lenten fasting for Catholics used to be, which I believe is what Orthodox Christians follow now both for Lent and Advent (though I'd be fascinated to lean otherwise). By the time I was a kid all we had to do was abstain from meat on Fridays and Ash Wednesday (and remember of course fish was fine), and try to "give up" something for the rest of the time. I believe we were supposed to restrict ourselves to one meal on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday but we never managed that.

So, went out for lunch and had what I thought was the lowest calorie thing on the menu - a pear and Lancashire cheese salad with walnuts. I inhaled the whole thing and tried to figure out the calories I consumed on MFP - I think that despite my best efforts I'm still slightly over 500 for the day, and I was counting on a tiny square of chocolate at the end of the evening sad. I may just have it anyway - this has to be a way of life for me, and I can't go on if I can't go out to lunch without messing everything up. I still think I did well (my dining companions both had prosecco and tried to get me to join them and I held firm - that has to count for something, right?), and am on the right path.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 24-Sep-12 16:37:44

Not being a God person, I'll get my meditative bits from Yoga :-)

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:47:46

Wonderful for sharing mommybunny

and Talkin I can imagine that to be very meditative and strengthening...I must be the last person earth who hasn't tried Pilates or Yoga. But want to at least... smile

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:54:16

When I grew up Fridays was always Fish day in school and childcare etc.
I know people who also don't smoke and don't drink alcohol during lent, they are more conscious about what and how much they eat...try to reflect as in appreciating the planet and the "natural" food cycle and where it all comes from, also going through the rough patch of NOT constantly munching, not over-indulging, not wasting and throwing away food etc.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 16:58:05

LookBehindyou I don't think you have hijacked anything , rather the oppositesmile
And it's totally understandable and more than okay to say it's not for me or not for me right now....

Lotsofcake Mon 24-Sep-12 17:00:14

World, I think I may have mentioned the hairy dieters before but I can highly recommend their cookbook. It's got some fab low cal curry recipes. I tried the chicken korma on Friday and it was delicious and only 300 calories per portion. In the past I have adapted other curry recipes by using quark or low fat yogurt instead of cream and reducing oil content with good success.
Congrats to everyone, it sounds like most people are doing really well. I weighed myself this morning and I've lost 6.5lbs in my first week. I probably have more to lose than most though as I need to lose about 2.5 stone to get back to 'healthy' BMI and 4 stone to get to where I want to be. I'm fasting today and finding it tough due to TOTM which also came as a surprise as have not long finished bfeeding. Have found some hazelnuts in my baking cupboard which are making it easier!

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 17:10:34

Lotsofcake no haven't heard this, but if I would catch up with previous threads and beginning of this one, instead of posting..well then I would know more ha ha ha
Thanks, I love curries and Thai food etc....

RightBuggerforGOLD Mon 24-Sep-12 18:00:03

Orthodox Christians have 4 periods of fasting during the year, the 2 long ones are advent and lent. They also fast on Wednesdays and Fridays every week. The fasting is no meat, dairy, eggs, fish or alcohol, so in effect this would in all probability cut down on calories as a result of that restriction. It is also a time of prayer and almsgiving. Hope that helps (somehow!) x

Lotsofcake Mon 24-Sep-12 18:17:57

World, check the bbc website as some of their recipes from the series are on line, that way you can try before you buy. By the way, I hadn't refreshed my page and hadn't realised I was soooo way behind!

mommybunny Mon 24-Sep-12 18:29:08

Thanks for explanation rightbugger. Conflicts though with image I have of fat Russian grannies wink.

worldcitizen Mon 24-Sep-12 18:38:44

rightbugger thanks for further explanation, well this is sort of a 5:2 as well isn't it, also what's left is grains, legumes, fruit and vegetables, right?! Sounds like something helping the body to "repair" and not have so much of the food which needs longer to digest such as meat, for example. Sounds very reasonable...
lotsofcake thanks againsmile

HappyOrchid Mon 24-Sep-12 19:47:04

Week 8 -First fast day. Prolly best fast day so far. Had a chicken stock cube for lunch and then same tea as DH, but small (calorie counted, but don't tell DH) portion.

Weighed in this morning, and exactly same weight as last week, but have had 3 eating and drinking too much wine. So would prolly normally expect to have gained.

Hopefully have a normal week planned and will fast M / W / F and hope to see better results on next Mondays weigh in.

Hmmm now what to eat tomorrow - choices, choices smile

HappyOrchid Mon 24-Sep-12 19:47:56

have had 3 days of eating and drinking

Thina Mon 24-Sep-12 20:01:49

Ok, so didn't do too badly today, am over the 500 but it's not the end of the world, as Mommybunny just said, it's got be be a do-able WOE.

I needed something this afternoon, so had some carrot batons and a bit of houmous, then I made stuffed pointed peppers ... Stuffed with vegetables and couscous and some red chilli. More veg in mine, more couscous in the family's portions. Glad my halo was shining brightly earlier, it's gone a bit dingey now lol hmm

mistlethrush Mon 24-Sep-12 20:02:34

I have stuffed myself with a large salad tonight. Pretty certain all under 500...

Thelittlestranger Mon 24-Sep-12 20:35:56

I've come in under 500 today, and feeling virtuous. Although, I didn't make it to aerobics tonight as my hip has been giving me some grief today and I didn't want to push it. I went on sat and sun, so don't feel too bad...

I'll satisfy myself with a cup of tea later, and look forward to breakfast tomorrow.

It does sound like there are a lot of plus 45 on this thread...I'm 35, and seemed to be experiencing some success with it.

I hav found that when i've mentioned this WOE to people, initially they're shocked. But when I ask them if they ever skip meals, they always do (if they're slim). For the first time ever, I'm not just eating breakfast or lunch, because it's breakfast or lunch time. I'm eating when I'm hungry. What an eye opener...kind of ridiculous really....

Skinnyeye Mon 24-Sep-12 20:36:37

Week 4 fast day 1 and it has gone very well. Had some carrot and parsnip soup for lunch and www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1658643/thai-spiced-turkey-patties-with-noodle-salad for dinner. Weighed in this morning and had put on a pound last week!! Not too disheartened because I feel I'm losing inches if not weight.

Skinnyeye Mon 24-Sep-12 20:50:05

BMI has come down from 29 to 27. Still in the overweight category but heading in the right direction. I'm 43 by the way

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 24-Sep-12 21:20:11

I'm 35. I'm just going to say that while I can; I turn 36 in a week. grin

Honestly, I was thinking this over on my walk home today, and I am just so ridiculously pleased with this WOE. I've really enjoyed this experience so far. I honestly don't feel deprived, yes by the end of fast days I might be planning the next night's dinner, but it's because I'm enjoying cooking more now that I don't have restrictions on what I can use.

So pleased. Today is the end of my eating day, back to fasting tomorrow. Looking forward to it. smile

rachelblythe Mon 24-Sep-12 21:46:41

Greeneggs, I feel exactly the same.I was telling my neighbours about it at the weekend when we were out for a slap up 3 course meal. I feel totally liberated, and ecstatic that I find the woe so enjoyable. I never felt like this about a diet in the past, they were never sustainable and there was always some sort of guilt linked to when I would eat something 'nice'. Not with this woe (not a diet!).
Oh, and maybe I'm one of the babies of the group at the tender age of 27! Not had that novelty for a looong time smile
Been a fast day for me.didn't plan what I was having and ended up with some pretty boring meal choices.still totally manageable, just not as enjoyable and tasty as some previous fast days. Not hungry now, so going to bed before it decides to make an appearance

Thelittlestranger Mon 24-Sep-12 22:07:33

Have to agree. Yes, I'm only going in to my 4th week, but I'm not counting the days to the weekend binge fest, like I did on WW and I'm not feeling deprived.

Week 3, fast day 1, all good - jacket spud with beans and salad for lunch, soup for supper. Done smile

GreenEggs thanks for your reply. Trying to calculate bmr now, can't decide whether my exercise level is light (1-3 exercise sessions a week) or moderate (3-5). I do 3x circuit training sessions plus walk 2 miles to work twice a day, 3x a week. Which would you opt for? There's a 200 cal difference!

BelinaTheChicken Tue 25-Sep-12 07:42:30

BettyButterknife I'd say that was moderate, but don't hold me to it, I opted for light and I only really manage 2 x tae bo DVDs a week as officially exercise, though have an active job and two small children to chase so I wasn't sure.

Eating day for me, fast yesterday went well, noodle soup again at 250cal, and got the rest of my 500 calories from bloody coffee mate. I swear, I will use the tub I have up and not buy any more. Honest.

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 09:05:47

belina re coffee mate ..can you save it for feast days only and give green tea or black coffee a go on fast days.? or maybe go cold turkey on it and try and change your coffee habits ?. Before you shudder.. i don't know what type you drink (instant or real) but i've managed to go from coffee with milk to coffee without by cutting out instant coffee all together and by only having 'real coffee' made in a cafetiere..

I originally did this (a few years ago)because i was working in an office where coffee was always on the go and I realised I was having around 9 mugs of instant a day!!(and getting heart palpitations also ) shock .But although its hard to start with ,I found that you get used to it really quickly and somehow real coffee seems to 'hit the spot' better, and i now only (well mainly!) have two cups a of black coffee a day now (green or mint tea the rest of the time..
Just a suggestion to get the coffeemate intake down ,if, as you say, you are using a lot of extra calories up in it, and I think rather than going for skim milk instead (which wont taste so good if you like coffeemate) you try for a complete coffee-habit change.. however' real black coffee is also addictive, but I cant drink so much or i get the shakes!! (also its expensive so that's a disincentive also )

BTW probably not relevant to you, but i'm sure I read somewhere that things like starbucks lattes etc can be mega-huge in calories .. ( luckily I rarely get near a coffee outlet these days)

hoops997 Tue 25-Sep-12 09:10:29

Well, week 1 done I fasted tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and yesterday and I've lost 5lb smile

The fasting days are getting easier and my skin is becoming clear, I think that's due to my water intake.

I love the WOE and wish I'd found it sooner!

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 09:15:08

greeneggs and rachel me also! it already feels like a radical change for me after only a month .. I cant see me changing back to any other WOE now..

looks like its more veg curry for me today .. (and i've had some for breakfast!! Yes I'm totally gross..I know smile) .. but that's probably it until dinnertime now .. I think it might be an eating day again yesterday I seemed to be hungry all day .. but think I was just cold and it was a food day, but actually I mainly ate the curry but not rice etc ..

Its lucky I live on my own during the week eh? (and also that I'm not in the office either - more working at home sitting at the computer report writing all day again ),..

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 09:35:50

Hello everyone,
Starbucks is the evilangry, especially the Caramel Frappuccinos I usd to drink and had no clue that they had nearly 1000 calories apparently, and that the sugar and syrup just made me gain around 12-12 kg, so nearly 2 stone in less than a year!!!!
I was also one could say addicted to coffee (real one) and black tea with milk and sugar, which turned after a few years into having to have 3-4 teaspoons of sugar in one mug shock Yes I am really too embarrassed to admitblush.

I moved house at the beginning of August and had to do bug grocery shopping for fridge and cupboard and simply didn't buy any sugar. That's it. never used again, stopped drinking coffee alltogether and would only have a small cup (black and no sugar) or an espresso here there if invited somewhere.
Started drinking Earl Grey instead of the other kind I used to like, as Earl Grey is the only black tea I can drink without milk and sugar, and only have one cup here and there, at the most once or twice a week.
Now it's all Green tea and lots of other herbal teas, which are GP-recommended for Detox and weight loss, unfortunately I don't know what they called in English, I would have to look it up in the dictionary.

Due to this I all of the sudden started having more liquids, which I used to have a massive problem with anyway plus all the dehydrating factors of coffee and black tea, well I think I cannot remember when I was hydrated this well.

I feel much better and perform so much better, sleep well at night and wake up on my own after 7 1/2 hours of sleep, which I didn't have for a long time either.
I limited baked goods and sweets and have hardly more than one slice of bread a day, and eat loads of food and every day either rice or potatoes.

So, I haven't even started 5:2 yet, but I will at the beginning of next month and will do this for 10 weeks first, by following the 5:2 and by cutting out sweets, chocolate, baked goods, pies, cakes, bread, and past alltogther.

I decided to stick to rice, couscous, bulgur, quinoa, and potatoes as one main meal during the day for 3-4 times a week.
We'll see how this will work out. I am looking forward to it and have to stock my fridge and cupboard this weekend as they are nearly empty, and would want to have only this non-processed food in the house...
I am so looking forward to it. And love reading here on these MN threads. So motivational. Thanks!!!

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 10:14:42

hope this doesnt sound too rude of me world but why are you waiting until you start? Jump In! you could lose a few pounds extra..

IMHO its supposed to be a WOE change not 'just' a diet (though it has that effect as well for most of us here) but why wait any longer for the positive effects to kick in? ..I dont think theres a right way or a wrong way to do this.. we are all experimenting here ..

( sorry if that sounds confrontational, not meant to be ..but perhaps a small poke with sharp stick.. meant as encouragement of course )

right im off until after lunch ... MUST work .. been a$$ing aroung too long already ..also im annoyed because I just got outbid on a nice pair of sz 10 (tra laaa!) jeans on ebay!! lol .. (I must list some of my stuff that's too big next rather than just buy things )

aargh!! the cat has just jumped on me and hes SOAKING wet!!

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 10:21:44

Laska hello there, no not rude at all smile

In the past I have noticed that this is what works best for me, sometime jumping in, like with the sugar thing...but sometimes I need long thinking and getting myself into a zone first and aim at a certain time frame....just how I noticed what worked best for me and how I was most successful.

And yes, I also see this as WOE, just need each time a little bit changed, take away from here and add this etc.....

Thanks for the encouragement, well due to this thread I have not even eaten cake/pie or baked goods anymore, thought I simply won't buy it and won't eat it NOW and won't wait 'til next month. Yes, it worked smile

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 10:48:39

wow. just marking my place, will come back and read all 12 pages later.
i have a bmi of 23, but a waist of 29" despite only being 5'2", I exercise, I watch what I eat, I feel like I can do no more and yet I still feel like one slice of white toast away from being a bit dumpy, so this could be for me.

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 10:49:16

Ah worldcitizen you're here too! I'm not stalking you.

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 10:51:23

<waves at Liz> smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 10:59:12

Not meaning to pile on wink but, anecdotally: I read about this diet one day, and just decided to fast the next day. I managed (barely! That first fast day is tough!) and decided to go for as close to ADF as my social life would allow, hence doing 4:3.

You don't really need to do all of these other things, like cutting carbs, sweets, etc that you're listing, WC. I haven't. My first couple of weeks, my eating wasn't great at all, but I still lost weight as I was strictly keeping myself below 500 calories on my fasting days. That's the whole WOE, if you're trying to lose weight: keep your calories below 500 on fasting days.

All of these other things, limiting sweets etc, they happen eventually, naturally, as your body gets used to the WOE. I still have sweets, but not as many. I just don't eat as much as I used to, period.

I'm just saying all of this because I think it's possible to overthink things. grin Don't put this WOE on a pedestal. One thing at a time. Try to do a 500 calorie day, and work from there. Don't go in with grand ideas of changing everything about the way you currently eat; that will only overwhelm you. You don't want to set yourself up with a laundry list of things to achieve, fail at one, then decide the whole thing doesn't work.

I think your pie/cake avoidance is admirable smile but if I had to avoid all cake and pie, I wouldn't be able to stick with this WOE in the long term. I think what sustains some of us is the fact that we can have cake or pie on our eating days, should we so desire. This aspect is mentioned in a few of the articles, the fact that there is always a hypothetical tomorrow, where you could eat whatever it is you're fancying on a fast day. Of course, once you get to tomorrow, you're likely past the craving, but if you aren't then hey, have some pie.

Okay I'm done now, I just wanted to add my 2 cents. smile Good luck!

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 10:59:25

I found this thread because somebody on the AIBU to give up and get fat thread mentioned the 5:2

off to do four circuits from nmtz, followed by the first go round of 6w6p grin, so, clearly, i'm not quiiite ready to give up and get fat myself yet!! Will 'reward' myself for exercising by sitting down with a cuppa and reading this thread in about an hour.

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 11:06:29

Thanks GreenEgs. I live here in Germany and the thing with cakes/pies and baked goods in general can really be so hard to get away from, for me at least. It's good to know, that I CAN eat it on feast days, it's still hard to believe that I would still lose weight, but I'll try.

I have had a very difficult past few years, especially last year and these past few months and I pit on weight/fat, really fat, it was visible as cellulite etc. and that was mostly due to stress and higher cortisol levels and the coffee/tea intake with loads of sugar has just made things worse, so by doing this I am at least not hungry and by completely staying away from the stuff mentioned I just got rid of cravings mostly, and then lots of the cellulite and tummy fat vanished, too.

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 11:12:53

Completely agree green eggs i fully support the idea that people should do what feels right for them - everyone's responses to food both physically and emotionally is different, they know their owns needs best, everyone will do this diet slightly differently, as long as it improves their lives in some way then it's a success.

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 12:02:11

I completely agree with you greeneggs, you have perfectly articulated how I am going about this WoE and why I can continue to do it (so far - it's only been 11 days and 4 fasts! But at least 2 lbs lost...). It does seem that some people here may be setting themselves up to fail, thinking that "if I do my fast days of <500 cal 3 times a week, AND low-carb on the days I eat, AND do an exercise DVD every day, I'll lose that much more weight that much faster!" Well, maybe. But will they keep it off? Make no mistake, I want to lose weight, about a stone. I wish it could be gone tomorrow, thank you very much. But I want a WoE that keeps me at a healthy weight, that gives me all the health benefits AND that I can manage to keep up forever and not feel deprived. I know that enthusiasm of a new diet - it's like getting a brand new notebook, or a shiny new pair of shoes. You think to yourself, "this time is going to be different - I'm NOT going to mess this one up - binge eat, tear pages out of the notebook, scuff the shoes, etc". And in the end the maintenance, to use greeneggs' perfectly chosen word, overwhelms you.

I am trying to make this not just a new WoE, but a new WoL (Way of Life). The ONLY things I am doing consciously are keeping my calories as close to 500 as I can on my 2 fast days a week and trying to drink at least 2 liters of water a day every day. It is so comforting to know on my feed days I can eat whatever I want that I usually don't crave it.

Feed day today - looking forward to lunch! Happy fasting/feasting everyone!

catsrus Tue 25-Sep-12 12:08:45

what greeneggs says grin

Do you know what - I'm actually eating MORE puddings and cakes than I ever did before and still losing weight! in the past I was on a constant 'sort of diet' and deprived myself of 'bad stuff'. Now, if I'm out for a meal and the desert looks nice I will have some, if there is cake in the office and it's a non-fast day, and it's a cake I like then I will have a piece. The crucial thing is that I know I have a choice - I was out for sunday lunch this week, the hostess had made a ton of puddings, I didn't have profiteroles, did have fruit salad, did have a bit of mousse (yum) but was too full to eat cheese. Later on I had a few marshmallows and a bit of chocolate with a cup of tea.

re. starbucks - I had a full fat latte on a fast day yesterday when I went out to lunch with colleagues - simply counted it as a 210 calorie lunch then had a mega salad when I got home with hard boiled egg and cottage cheese - skipped the usual jacket potato due to the latte, but was still full after it.

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:12:42

catsrus that's what I do also... I don't usually go for coffee, but sometimes if I fancy I have a fabulous ice cream cornet from the place that makes its own and call that lunch smile

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:18:33

wow. OP, thanks for the links. Fascinating stuff I think I could do this.... two bowls of porridge with low fat soya milk, and 3 punnets of blueberries or rasberries.

(saying that,,,,,,,,,, it might be harder than I imagine).

I want to try it now,but I am going to wait til thursday. Psych myself up a bit.

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 12:19:36

I must have left a bad impression blush

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:21:28

reading the comments about people setting themselves up to fail,,,, I was planning on doing the fasts the same days I don't exercise. That would be ok wouldn't it? certainly wouldn't fast MORE than twice a week.

I think this could be the gear change I need. For six years I've been exercising and watching what I eat but I still feel a bit bigger than I want to be.

Oblomov Tue 25-Sep-12 12:25:16

Have been following thread for a while. Heard all about it in media.
Then, whilst talking to my mum, she told me that she had been on it all summer. Was shocked she hadn't told me. She has lost 1/2 a stone.

So, I did my first 'fast day' yesterday. Not as bad as i thought. I think it helps that I was working.
I ate:
3 cups green tea. I normal tea.
Lunch I had some lettuce, 2 bits crispy bacon, 6 cherry tomatoes, 3 spring onions, and 2 drops of balsamic vinegar.
For dinner I had 2 salmon fillets. And steamed brocolli. I think I was only supposed to eat one of the fillets,( the 2 fillets together were 217 calories) but I have no sense of portion control, I am hoping that will come, once my stomach starts to shrink?
But 8pm, presumably because I had eaten no carbs and had given myself too much insulin, I was diabetically hypo ( blood sugar of 2.7 which is VERY Low) and had to have a swig of lucozade. BUGGER.
I think I was over 500 calories, but am not really sure. I don't know how to calculate how many calories I actually ate yesterday.

I am cross/worried. I tried watching what I was eating , and cut out wine and chocolate and crisps totally, for a month, this summer, and lost not a lb. During this time, I was so low diabetically, that I think I consumed so much lucozade, that any lack of wine/crisps/chocolate was cancelled out.
Believe me, trying to diet when you are a diabetic, is a nightmare. I have never ever tried before, because I have weighed the same for the last 20 years (apart from pregnancies) and now all of a sudden I am 1 and 3/4 sone over that.

Today, after a green tea, I have walked the school run and played in the park with ds2, on the way home. Arrived home to find myself hypo AGAIN. So ate a scotch egg, drizzled in salad cream. Looked at the packet: 235 calories. shock I have since eaten a muller light chooclate and mint youghurt - 90 calories. Today is nto supposed to be my fast day, but I don't know what to eat/ can't seem to find anyhting I even want to eat.
I am a calorie counting VIRGIN. Having never taken ANY notice of how many calories were in anything, this is quite a shock.

I wonder how I wil get on ?

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:28:04

I fast on the days it is least likely to interfere with other things. I still go to the gym every morning regardless. I'm not overweight by normal standards, but I am by mine, and would like to ensure that I am not (like Dr Mosely was) slim but with high levels of visceral fat. THAT is why I'm doing 5:2

and I'm afraid that anybody who needs to pscyh themselves up to skip breakfast and lunch just once is unlikely to succeed.

Regret what you HAVE done, not what you have not ...


captainmummy Tue 25-Sep-12 12:28:12

3rd fast day yesterday - got to 593 cals, would have been better if I hadent had a coffee and cream in the evening! It's my go-to drink if I'm hungry (I'm low-carbing) but forgot about the 100 cals in the cream! Still, that was about 8pm, so the worst (or best) of the fast as over with and I choose to include it in todays low-carb meals.

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 12:35:20

and I'm afraid that anybody who needs to pscyh themselves up to skip breakfast and lunch just once is unlikely to succeed.

Oh no, that doesn't sound good sad

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 12:35:29

mommybunny some people enjoy eating low carb and exercising madly.blush I think the key is if it's not of you then don't do it, know yourself and your limits!

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 12:42:01

oblomov, welcome to the thread (you too Liz!) - always nice to have newcomers. However, in your case, you should probably check with your GP before doing any more on this WoE - as a diabetic it may do you more harm than good. And by no means should you do two consecutive fasting days. You don't need to worry about calories on your non-fasting days.

If you are trying to figure out how many calories you're consuming on your fasting days, many of us use MyFitnessPal, a website (with iPhone and iPad apps too) with free access to calorie counts of just about every kind of food you can think of. Carefully measure the food you're having - use scales and measuring jugs - and enter it into MFP and it will calculate how many calories you've had. It's a great way to stay on track.

Good luck!

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 12:45:25

TellMeLater, quite right - if you're already low-carbing and exercising, then great, keep it up. What I meant (and sorry if this didn't come through) was that if you aren't already doing those things, diving into an intermittent fasting regime with them on top is too much too soon.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 12:51:22

Hi Liz! I think if you have days when you're less active, it might be a good idea to have those as your fast days, at least for the first week. I find now that fasting doesn't bother me at all, but that first week can be tough so you probably don't want to make it more difficult for yourself.

I think the only activity now that I'd (personally) avoid on fast days is swimming, because that always makes me really hungry. smile

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:55:51

world .. don't worry anymore.. you are thinking too much .. Don't think too much about what you cant eat on a fast day , just plan what you are going to have and give it a go when you are ready .. Yes the fast days are hard to start with , but you do really get into it..

It ain't all bad.. yes you get hungry but then the hunger doesn't build (if you don't dwell on it ) .. ..AND you can get a fasting 'high' too.. AND you can eat the thing you crave the next day (though I bet you probably wont want it then..

You like sweet things? , have porridge (and stevia if you want ) and cinnamon with a few berries , for breakfast ,and some veggie soup for later on.. Have the cake the next day .. (for breakfast if you like..its allowed! )

Someone above said ..'we all do this different' and we all, DO. Really ..(I prefer lower carb and lots of veggies , but I don't have much of a sweet tooth..but i love bread and potatoes and cheese and all of those things.. i just have em on food days if i want them )

Come on Chick... take a deep breath and give it a go , One day at a time , if you don't like it (or you have something else on) you can stop and perhaps try again the next week. ..

Come on in the waters lovely ..and we are all here to support each other smile

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:56:52

When I said psych myself up! really, I meant prepare, and fit in around. I will go and buy some more porridge and make sure I have unsweetened soya milk and have some celery sticks and blueberries ready.

It has to be thurs because I'm having dinner with parents tomorrow night.

when I get in the ZONE though, I am evangelical wink I will have to gag the beak to stop myself telling everybody about this. I won't thiough because I knnow they'll think I'm mad.

Other people see me and think eh but like you're not fat, but I want to be slimmer. I just DO. I have been doing jillian michaels five times a week since january.

BUT ANNOYINGLY I PUT on TWO POUNDS doing jillian. My shape is better and I've NO regrets, but when you ahve a bmi of 23, and you already eat fairly healthily as it IS then weight doesn't come off all that easily.

omg i'm so in the zone!!! Thursday can't come quick enough!

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:58:03

ps @ greeneggs, yes on thursday I will treat myself to a nigth off Jililan!

Oblomov Tue 25-Sep-12 12:58:28

mommyBunny, thank you for the welome.
I do know that I not supposed to do 2 consecutive fast days. I certainly never intended to. It realy is that I do not fancy anything to eat right now. I will go to the supermarket on the way to get ds1, and buy whatever I fancy. Promise.
I appreciate your concern, but please do not worry, re GP. My GP recently encouraged me to lose weight and we talked about the difficulties. I also have my own diabetic pump specilalist nurse, who I can contact anytime. She and I have discussed the difficulties of trying to get this right, many frustrating times. She says there is no easy answer. She has asked me to no carb breakfast, many times over the years, but this was for diabetic reasons, not losing weight.
She knows it tough for me, I do too. I find it frustrating, having to drink lucozade when I don't wnat to. But there really is no other option.

I will continue and see how I go.

thanks for the myfitnesspal suggestion. I have heard of it before. It does seem like a bit of a kerfuffle to enter in everyhting I eat. I have got enough 'on my plate' wink with just monitoring the diabetic side of things, but maybe I really am going to have to up the effort to get this right.

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 12:59:02

ps, again, my goals are fairly modest. My waist is 29" and I would be delighted delighted if I could get it down to 27". Haven't had that since before two kids. Although Ido not weigh more.

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 13:00:15

My day's turning into a fast day ... feeling really up for it now..

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 13:01:45

My fitness pal is great for calculating calories. And no matter how obscure the item, even a superquinn sausage only available in ireland, some bod will have got there before you and entered in the calories!!

HOWEVER, I don't want to exist on 1300 cals a day. I feel that as I'm not overweight I shouldn't have to punish myself like that every day indefinitely. So, i use it but loosely. I eat about 1600-1800 cals a day and exercise as well but I don't 'eat back' the calories as they say.

I feel very differently about fasting (500 cals) a day twice a week. That just seems so much more do-able.

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 13:17:22

Thanks Laska it is. I will take this to heart. smile

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 13:51:17

Newbies there's no need to feel anxious about fasting, it's something many of us have no experience of and we all go through our own journeys. Some will find not eating easier than others, some will lose more than others, some are focused on health benefits and some weightloss, but none of this has to stop you from trying - you won't know what you can do till you try. From a personal perspective by beginning of week 4 - I'd had enough and I wanted to eat and I did but come week 5 I was ready to fast again, I'm on week 8 now and after losing nothing for the first 7 weeks everything has fallen off in one week - no one has diets sussed, no one has all the answers, it's just a journey we are all sharing together, jump on board and if it doesn't suit get off for a while and maybe try later.

mommybunny completely agree, trying too many things at once can be completely overwhelming and it's all too easy to make yourself feel like a failure when it all goes wrong, and feeling bad about yourself is no help to anyone.

kiwigirl42 Tue 25-Sep-12 14:36:19

Hello smile, this thread is useful, thx.
I've just done my third fast day yesterday and god I was starving all day! So I just ate fruit but about 4 helpings - punnet of blackberries (sweet baby jesus they were sour though), punnet of rasps, half a watermelon, strawberrries. I only ate fruit last fast day as well and really like doing it. You can eat quite a lot for 500 cals and it makes me feel smug as I don't usually eat that much grin I don't know why as I do love fruit. It just the hassle of getting it all in the house I think (I'm housebound a lot and DH usually shops so I have to spell it out for him what I want. But he is getting a lot better fast!)
Of course today I'm not hungry at all. grr.

My jeans are already looser - I got some just washed ones and didn't have to lie on the bed with a coat hanger lol.
I've piled on the weight due to medication and are really hoping this will do the trick

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 14:41:07

Tip to feasters-after-a-day-of-fasting: don't go to a restaurant for lunch! I find after a day of fasting that I am ravenous by lunchtime, regardless of what I've had for breakfast, and if I have to wait (like I did today) I get very angry indeed! (A little tipsy too if all I have to keep me going till said lunch arrives is a glass of wine. Hic!)

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 14:42:35

worldcitizen You haven't made a bad impression. smile I was merely giving you my feedback after having read all of your posts. I only know how I would react to that, and I would probably not be able to sustain starting a no cake, no pie, no sweet regime in addition to the fasting, all at once.

I realise a few people on this thread are doing low carb as well as this WOE. If you think that is going to be easy for you to sustain in the long term, then by all means, go for it. I just think (as I believe mommybunny mentioned earlier) it's possible to get psyched up and want to do it ALL at once, when in reality, we're just doing one thing at a time. And for this diet, that one thing is to eat under 500 calories for at least 2 days a week.

The rest of it might come naturally, if you want it to. But imo, there's really no reason to put off giving it a try. smile

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 14:43:26

right ...just had my second (and last meal) of the day ,, Veg Curry 'soup'.. Anyone spotting a trend here? smile

Just brew till tomorrow now.. Good luck all other fasters .

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 14:44:14

If I carry on as normal otherwise, eg, on non fast days I eat healthily between 1,600 & 1,700 cals plus jillian workouts, how long 'til I might notice myself a bit thinner? would even two fast days be enough?? I am going to do the first fast day thurs and second monday (because that suits me......)

mistlethrush Tue 25-Sep-12 14:46:54

Is there any reason for not going to 3 fast days in a first week or would that be overdoing it? Didn't have any issues on fast yesterday - had smaller breakfast today than normal and didn't feel hungry - similarly not starving for lunch either...

I'm trying to go low carb too as I'm sure its better for me - particularly if I give up the bread/pasta side (ie wheat free) and eat what carbs I do have as wholegrain rice or sweetpotato

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 14:47:40

Hey GreenEggs thanks. I do understand though. I do not know what came over me to stop this, it's something I wanted to do for a long time and tried and failed etc. but then I moved house and it all just happened from one day to another.
The low carb thing really makes me feel wonderful, and I wouldn't mind cakes and pies and chocolate and I will keep eating eat on feast days, now where so many of you are saying it is totally okay and does not in any way mess up with losing weight. I simply couldn't imagine for this to possible grin

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 14:51:04

kiwigirl not sure if i've seem you posting here before , if not, then welcome, if you have, then hello just from me ( who hasn't seen you posing here before!!).

Good luck with this WOE

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 14:53:16

There is a thread in AIBU that may be pulling in some new converts .....

start light and get heavier as you get used to it. You'll be doing this for the rest of your life, its not just a weight loss thing, its a way of looking at life

mistlethrush Tue 25-Sep-12 14:58:24

Talkin - I know.. but I need to shift 4st that's been hanging around and not moving on 1000 - 1200 cals low carbing... I've always felt fine doing similar in the past, and yesterday wasn't an issue for me at all...

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 14:58:58

worldcitizen good, I definitely wasn't trying to discourage you from low carbing. I can't keep it up in the long term myself, but I know others can.

I'm merely focusing on this WOE, as it's what this thread is about. And saying that I'm not sure I, personally, would embark on too many things at once. As most others have said, though, it's up to the individual. We are all approaching this our own way.

Whatever works for you smile Good luck!

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 14:59:27

Liz, it's impossible to say how long till you might see yourself thinner, no matter what you do. You've already said you don't have much weight, if any, to lose. If on "normal" days you are generally eating between 1,600 and 1,700 calories and doing Jillian DVDs, I would suspect you wouldn't have needed the 5:2 plan to begin with. But if you don't do that "normally" already, as I've said before, I think you might be biting off more than you can chew, so to speak, if you attempt all that at once. It is so tempting to want to channel all that initial enthusiasm into thinking of all the ways you can lose weight, on the theory that if one way (5:2) will get you there, 3 ways (5:2, plus low-cal on non-fast days, plus lots of exercise) will get you there quicker. But I believe the vast majority of people who do that will crash and burn quickly, beating themselves up that they failed YET AGAIN.

Fasting Mondays and Thursdays (with no worries about what I get up to in the interim!) works for me - it lets me completely enjoy my weekends, when I love to potter around the kitchen. And on Sundays to the extent I have overdone things I can feel that "come Monday, it will be alright" (with apologies to Jimmy Buffett...).

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 15:00:10

But what you have done in the past has not worked.
If you put the weight back on you had not properly trained your system to the correct way.
So that is why its important to walk before you run.

Nenufar Tue 25-Sep-12 15:01:51


I have been doing 3 days of fasting (Mon, Wed, Fri) per week for the last 6 weeks. I have lost just over 4 kilos (around 10 pounds). In the last couple of weeks on my fasting days I just seem to run out of energy. Literally my body just seems to feel like it's shutting down. Yesterday afternoon/evening all I could do was lie on the bed and read (fortunately my dh was at home so I could).

Then on my eating days I often feel uncomfortably full and like I don't really enjoy my food. It's almost like I am past the point of hunger.

I do do a lot of exercise (run 30 miles a week) which I do on my eating days, I wonder if this is making me feel worse on my fasting days? Any advice?

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 15:01:54

Liz I'm not sure anyone can answer that, we're all so different, and we lose at different rates. You have less to lose than I do, for example, so my results won't really compare well. I noticed results (off the scale, had weight results immediately) within 2 weeks or so. I'm also doing 4:3, not 5:2, as I've got some goals in mind and would like to reach them in the time I have. I'll move down to 5:2 at some point. maybe!

worldcitizen Tue 25-Sep-12 15:05:54

green smile

Low carbing to me means really getting rid of all the bad sorts of carbs...would like to stick to organic stuff and whole grains, legumes, vegetables, potatoes and rice as carb choices.
Also don't mind cakes and pies occasionally and on feast days, but want to stay away from the shop and bakery bought ones as there is so much stuff in there and not the general normal ingredients.
If my friend bakes an apple pie or makes some sort of chocolate cake and there are say 5-6 wholesome ingredients in there including normal cane sugar, it is all fine...so tasty and so filling too, but when I get all this other stuff then I have all of the sudden massive cravings and always feel hungry and un-fulfilled....

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 15:06:19

Nenu well done! You're doing what I'm doing (cough, except I'm not running grin) and we've had similar results.

I haven't had the tiredness thing, though, so maybe someone else can help. Do you do any exercise on your fasting days? I find moderate exercise keeps me going on fast days. My moderate I mean, I walk at a brisk pace for an hour or so every day, in addition to my usual routine. I don't do cardio on those days, but I know a couple of people on this thread do, so maybe they have suggestions.

Hi everyone, just started my 3rd fast day today and would like some advice please. Is anyone here doing ADF? My BMI is currently 29 and I have several health problems which would would be dramatically improved by losing at least 3 stone, so I'm trying ADF rather than 5:2 in order to shift the flab more quickly.

Do I "need" to eat a "maintenance" level of calories on my non-fast days? According to the calculators given up-thread, my maintenance intake should be around 1,963 calories per day, which seems high to me. After a day fasting, I feel more comfortable eating 1,200-1,500 calories the next day. I'm just concerned that this is still low enough to send my metabolism into starvation mode.

Also, should I be eating breakfast on non-fast days? I'm not a big fan of brekkers - eating too early can trigger my IBS and leave me bloated and uncomfortable for the rest of the day. Do I need to "break my fast" properly, or is it OK to just have two large-ish meals, at midday and in the evening?

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 15:12:10

liz you'll just have to try it and see.. I lost 2lbs in my first week and I only walk and cycle .. In the last couple of weeks i've hardly exercised at all (no excuses just haven't really bothered much!) , but yet i'm 9-10lbs down now from my start weight .... but then I did have a stone to lose ..

awaywego1 Tue 25-Sep-12 15:22:01

Lurker alert waves grin
Finally had my first fast day yesterday-after putting it off for weeks-I was dreading it but it was suprisingly ok. It was weird feeling so hungry but nothing bad happened!
I Just had tea and coffee until 3 ish when I had some pineapple then at 7 I had a spicy tomato soup with a tiny bit of rice. I had a low cal hot choc before bed.
Didn't calorie count but I would guess around 500.
Admittedly I didn't do much yesterday so it may be harder when I'm working. But I feel great today-really motivated-and focused on eating well which is very unusual. I'm planning to 'Keep an eye' on what I'm eating on non fast days but no calorie counting.
So far today I've had porridge made with mostly water, a couple of coffees, 1 choc biscuit and some homemade tomato and onion soup with a kiwi for pudding. Planning veg curry later.
Want to lose around a stone am 9.10 currently-but would be more than happy to get to 9-I'm 5.2 and this is okish for me.
It's really helpful for me to read everyone's stories and helping with the motivation so thanks! smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 15:22:08

Lapsed I'm doing close to ADF, 4:3. I would ADF but that leaves me with every other Sunday being a fast day, and I felt that would be too disruptive to my family life. smile So, basically, I ADF until Sunday, when I have an eating day both Sun and Mon, then go back to alternating days.

I... don't stick to the maintenance calories on my eating days. I don't count calories on those days, period. However, knowing what your maintenance calories are for a day can be very helpful for people who might have excessive eating habits, say (my favourite example) the people you see on Secret Eaters who don't realise they're consuming 7000 calories a day. smile

Conversely, and this is just as important, you do NOT want to be trying to low-calorie diet on your eating days. Some people will say this when they start off, like oh, if fasting for a couple of days is good, then eating low cal on the other days must make me lose weight faster! And I really don't think that is the case. Your body needs the rest, and the calories, on your eating days.

No need at all to have breakfast, in fact, you'll notice many of us don't.

Good luck!

RightBuggerforGOLD Tue 25-Sep-12 15:33:42

Mistlethrush - if it feels ok then why not go for it? If on the third fast day you think its too much, then just turn it into an eating day. I do 4:3 and am doing really well on it, I had 3 stone(ish) to lose ideally when I started, now I'm half way there at week 8! When you have lots to lose I think its better to just chuck yourself into it and get going tbh. Hopefully the results will keep you going, they have definately motivated me. Good luck.

frenchfancy Tue 25-Sep-12 15:33:46

Lapsed - I think you need to try and have close to your maintenance level of calories on non-fast days, especially if you are doing ADF.

The reason the diet is easy to stick to is that on non fast days you don't have to think like a dieter.

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 15:35:09

To second what greeneggs just said (as if she needed any additional support from me - she says it all so well the first time... smile), if you look at the Telegraph article mentioned in the OP, the studies that Krista Varady did showed that people with high-fat diets (which I take to include high-calorie - ain't no way a high-fat day with burgers and fries is in any way low-calorie!) lost no less weight than people who ate low-fat/low-calorie diets, and in fact some lost more. So there appears to be no reason at all to go below your maintenance calories on non-fast days, and if you're not a "Secret Eater", I wouldn't even worry about staying within maintenance calories. It will all balance itself out.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 15:37:47

Tis a fast day here. My cold seems to finally be breaking.. I suspect it had turned into a chest infection hmm as it's lasted almost two weeks now, and the last few days have been the toughest. I've never had it this bad before!

Anyway, cup of coffee in hand, have walked DS to preschool for a couple of hours so am posting here. I see the thread in AIBU but there are so many questions being asked which are answered in this thread grin that I'm not sure I can be bothered to answer them all! Especially the very basic ones about fast days. Honestly, you won't know how you react to them unless you just give it a go and try them!

(er, try two at least, as the first couple are tough- I don't think you can judge whether or not you can keep up this WOE just be doing one fast day)

Hope other fasters are doing well out there.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 15:45:26

mommy hah I always appreciate support! I never know if what I'm saying only makes sense when I'm saying it in my head, or if it translates at all when I actually type it.

It should be interesting if we get more people doing this. We really are a bit of an experiment here. smile

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 15:46:19

sorry for coming along at the eleventh hour with questions. I know on 30ds thread I was a bit :-)) when people came along after 12 pages and said, sooooo, 30 day shred, how long does it last then ? :-p

TellMeLater Tue 25-Sep-12 15:51:54

Nenufar it does sound like you are literally running out of energy - in the form of glycogen, especially given your activity levels. Your body may become more efficient at converting fat to energy but at the moment it's taking longer than it should and therefore you feel zonked. I do a lot of exercise and low carb and have found my body now copes quite easily with fat burning but the first time I went into ketosis was just as you suggested.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 15:54:36

lol sorry Liz I wasn't actually referring to your questions as much as I was those being posed in the other thread. I think we're all pretty friendly here and are happy to answer questions when they pop up.

I just meant, I see loads of questions in that AIBU thread, but there are so many and about half of them are the very skeptical sort that I'm not sure I can be bothered answering. grin I think having a look at the articles in the OP gives a good overview of the diet, for starters. I don't think I have the energy to go tell skeptical people that they really, really should just give it a try. smile

And LOL at your example. I know exactly what you mean.

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 16:05:00

Liz, don't worry about questions - we're all here to help each other. smile I can say 12 days after having started 5:2 (with 4 fast days in that period), I definitely feel a difference, and I am in the "normal" BMI range for my height, though at the upper end and I'd prefer to be in the middle or closer to the bottom. My skin looks better, my eyes are clearer, and I think I'm sleeping better. And I think clothes are starting to feel a tiny bit looser. I think people with more weight to lose are getting even more dramatic initial rewards.

I don't like fasting, but I can cope with it - yesterday (a fast day) I went to lunch with a friend at a restaurant and if I hadn't told her what I was doing she need never have known. The thing about this plan that has me sold is that all I need to do to enjoy my food and beverage wink 5 days a week is eat 500 calories or less 2 days a week. Those 2 days can be whatever non-consecutive days suit me. Life can go on and I don't have to feel deprived (though I do make it tough on myself with my addiction to Food Network apres dinner wink).

I was reading the AIBU thread as well and, like greeneggs thinking "oh come on, just give it a go!" I too would welcome new joiners who got curious as a result of that thread.

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 16:10:12

I just realised - I didn't have any Diet Coke yesterday! Woohoo! And I didn't even miss it. Had loads of water, and a tiny square of dark choccy, but I can't believe I forgot all about Diet Coke. A first for me.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 16:13:57

Its working - you are training your brain !

mommybunny Tue 25-Sep-12 16:17:10

Talkin, that post was aimed at you wink!

catsrus Tue 25-Sep-12 16:18:58

we are an experiment grin and I'm certainly willing to try new approaches - like low carb. the main thing for me is sustainability long term - I've looked at low carb today but tbh, having looked at the list of what you can and can't eat, it really is not for me - no matter how good it might be for weight loss blush.

I find this approach flexible and so guilt free wink

Thelittlestranger Tue 25-Sep-12 17:40:23

I have just resisted a McDonald's...and I chose a salad for lunch. On a feed day. Something is up....

tedmundo Tue 25-Sep-12 18:34:38

Marking my place for in about a years time. I am currently 17 weeks pregnant so of course not looking to diet right now but I know I want to shift this baby weight once and for all when the time is right.

This looks like the diet for me and I am looking forward to it, in a way I NEVER have with other diets. I am not good at eliminating food groups (be it carbs or fat) so this really appeals to me, because even on the fast days you can have a little bit of everything.

See you in about a year!

BelinaTheChicken Tue 25-Sep-12 18:44:39

Laska I know I should, I've got a fast day tomorrow and going to try it black, I have instant, but that Millibean one that tastes a bit less gross black than normal instant. Can't afford real coffee at home. I blame my friend, she got me hooked to coffee mate, used to have it with a tiny splash of skimmed milk, so shouldn't be too hard to get back to that.

Eating day today and having roast chicken for dinner, but mashed potato instead of roasties (DH prefers it, and can't be bothered to make them just for me, and mash keeps better so the DC can have it for lunch), and LOADS of gravy. Will try not to over do it as we are eating late and haven't been coping well with big meals since starting this WOE

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 18:49:44

Grrrr... hungry....... sad
There's chocolate in my desk drawer... help !!

LookBehindYou Tue 25-Sep-12 18:51:47

Get up and move. Have a big glass of water and remember you can have it tomorrow.

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 19:06:45

size 10 jeans... size 10 jeans.....size 10 jeans....
making some mint tea.....

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 19:09:44

Tidy your wardrobe. Something, anything active to distract you
You know that drawer in the spare room full of tat - tidy it ...

I have so far sorted wardrobes, hoovered, turned mattresses, mopped floors, all in the cause of NOT being hungry :-)

Laska42 Tue 25-Sep-12 19:14:14

Actually that's a great idea LBY and TIP" ill go and put my summer clothes away and get the winter ones out .. (and see what's too big for me now!) . I can get up early and carry on working tomorrow .

thanks both.. I Can do this .. thanks

pookey Tue 25-Sep-12 19:16:00

I love this thread the diet seems to attract people for a range of reasons so its a real eclectic mix of people on here.

I know what you mean the little stranger I made oreo cookie cupcakes today and I was quite restrained with taste testing!

feed day, well aborted fast but anyway, keep seeing mfp mentioned so filled it in and had q low cals under 1500 (bit too high in fat though app). Going to try detailed cal counting for fast tomorrow.

Did a weigh in 12. 7, which was higher than I expected.

Laska42 step away from the chocolate! (don't end up like me with aborted fast)

pookey Tue 25-Sep-12 19:18:15

That's funny talkin looks like fasting might also be good for general domestic wellbeing aswell cos we are all tidying up to distract ourselves! Also fasting is making me sleepy whixch is good as I have been staying ip late watching tv.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Tue 25-Sep-12 20:06:06

God you disappear for a few days and the thread more than doubles in size! Friends arrived Saturday so 3feed days filled to the brim with prosecco, about time I fasted, which is today.

Kind of weird comforting feeling being a bit hungry!! First feed day got too full again but better the next two.

Unfortunately I got a care package from UK yesterday full of M&S chocolate! It'll have to be my reward tomorrow

Inneedofbrandy Tue 25-Sep-12 20:11:40

Hi everybody. TalkinPeace2 has sent me over!

I'm not really trying to lose any weight, just my stubborn half a stone that yo yos up and down, and stay there.

So what's this all about then, and can someone please explain how do you count calories??

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 20:15:36

yes, when you're mentally ready for it, feeling hungry can be proof that you're taking action, something's happening! (I haven't taken that to extremes).

Thanks for the welcome y'all. I know I am not going to do a fast day 'til thursday but I am excited all the same! I'll get back to you in 48 hours and discuss how lightheaded excited I am! I'll just go to bed if I really can't cope.

Herrena Tue 25-Sep-12 20:53:25

When I was 17 and had a somewhat obsessive relationship with food I used to lie in bed listening to my stomach rumble and be really pleased, because I thought it meant the fat cells were being eaten up.

I do still feel a bit like that after fast days but I also take care to not monitor my food too closely on feed days, so I think on average my relationship with food is healthier than it was then. I do worry sometimes that I'm regressing to my teenage self, although I do have far more things to think about these days (2 DCs under 16mo) and so food obsession isn't as much of a priority as it once was!

It is sometimes simply nice to be a bit hungry though, because then I enjoy my meal a bit more....

My DH refers to feed days as 'feast days' btw, which I think is a far better name grin

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 20:55:51

I think I just want to call feast days normal days.

LizLemon007 Tue 25-Sep-12 20:56:16

I mean ! I want to refer to feed days as normal days.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 25-Sep-12 21:02:35

I think in terms of fast and non-fast days. I think I avoid the term "feast" because people who feel negatively towards this way of eating seem to enjoy making comparisons to eating disorders, which I really disagree with. Just because we have fasting days does not mean we're over-eating on the non-fast days.

Inneedofbrandy Tue 25-Sep-12 21:13:56

Herrena Iv'e done the same thing!

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 21:53:40

Not a fast day today. Just been out for Chinese with DH and the kids. We had a set menu and did not finish anything but still all felt pleasantly replete.

there are some FAB links in the opening post and on threads 2 and 3 ....
I calorie check on fitday.com - get into the habit of weighing stuff so you learn what size 100g of things actually looks like

there is also a 5:2 recipe thread - soup and vegetable stews are GREAT for fast days.
And yes, you have to count EVERYTHING, even the milk in that tea ;-)

Thina Tue 25-Sep-12 22:05:25

Fast day tomorrow, will TRY and keep to 500 cals. I won't bother getting my halo ready... In fact I flung it far far away after Monday, coz it all went a bit wrong at 10pm sad. I have read all your comments and now getting excited about fasting tomorrow.

Funny thing is.... today I didn't eat until 1.30 (unheard of for me, who usually HAS to eat at 10.30am), and I ate fruit and yoghurt and packet of French Fries. Just wasn't really hungry. Tomorrow I bet I am gagging for something by noon!! It's all mind over matter... For me being on a 'diet' makes me eat, hungry, angry, p*ssed off, obsessive and annoying. So I am going to have a talk with myself tomorrow mornings and see wot happens. After all I am not on a diet am I!?

Night night. I feel this is a secret society. It's fun and I like it. Wish me luck fellow fasters and feeders.

P.s. I do hope in 8 weeks time I wake up and get on the scales and all the weight has dropped off in the night, coz at the moment it's clinging on for dear life.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 22:13:14

If you start wanting to snack, plan the FOLLOWING day's menu. Pointedly and deliberately think about food you WILL eat the next day. It will remind you NOT to eat then and there.

rachelblythe Tue 25-Sep-12 22:14:59

Normal day for me.i had some soup for lunch and stew for dinner, and just realised over the course of the day i have had 5 slices if bread, oops! Oh well, it is allowed, i just try to limit my bread intake.

Fast day tomorrow and got left over stew, that should be yummy as it always tastes even nicer the next day.

Hello to all the newbies (waves). Looks like you have been getting some great advice today. I'm on week 7 of doing 4:3 and have lost over 12 lbs (already healthy bmi) so just stick with it and in a couple of weeks you'll feel like a different person,i did anyway. My top tip would be to plan ahead what you are eating on fast days, as when i end up winging it, i do tend to struggle more.

world i don't know if anyone mentioned this to you, but on the 30 day shred DVD, you will also need some hand weights, around 1kg each (x2).

Ok, night all x

Thina Tue 25-Sep-12 22:15:28

Cheers TP2 x

Hi, can I join you?

I am just trying this out at the moment and seeing if it works for me - mainly for weightloss more than for health benefits I admit!

So far I haven't managed to do more than 1 fast day a week, as I find it hard to find days when I can easily do it without either having to eat (well, or not eat...) around the DCs which I prefer not to do, or have too many temptations around. But I have managed 2 fasts so far which have gone surprisingly well! Haven't noticed any weight loss yet, but a) it's early days (and only doing 6:1 so far), and b) it was my birthday not long ago, so we've had a big cake and plenty of extra treats which probably cancelled out the fasts!

I have decided my personal rules will be: Milk in coffee allowed and not counted, within reason (I prefer skimmed anyway so not too many cals, and no lattes allowed, but I NEED my coffee!), and I will try to stick to 500 cals but not beat myself up if I go over slightly, as long as I stay under 600. And on eating days I don't calorie count or restrict myself particularly.

Oddly enough, it seems that if I skip breakfast, I can go quite a long time without feeling hungry - but as soon as I have eaten something, I start to get hungry more and have to work a bit harder to resist temptation! But so far I have had a small, late lunch and then a slightly bigger evening meal and no snacks, and not really felt particularly deprived.

I have also "cheated" a bit, rather than cooking so far I have been hunting out low-cal options from supermarket ranges (salads & ready meals). Some of the M&S "simply fuller longer" things are only just over 300 cals and are quite tasty and surprisingly filling as an evening meal, and various places seem to do nice salads with beans and tuna or prawns that I quite like for lunch. (Tesco do one with black rice, veg and prawns that's under 200 cals!). If/when I start managing 2 fast days though I'll have to get organised with some recipes and start making my own at least some of the time. But the bought options are good if I haven't had time to look up recipes and shop for the right stuff.

I also had a couple of questions for the more experienced fasters:

Firstly, if you have small children, how do you manage fast days around them? We usually all eat together in the evening, and I have lunch and breakfast with at least one DC about half the week too, and would rather not have to "obviously" skip meals or eat differently around them (and would rather not be tempted by their food either!). That's one reason I've only managed one fast a week so far, as that's the only day in the week I often don't eat with them at all.

Second, what about exercise on fast days? The same day that's easiest for me to fast is also one of my best chances to exercise, but I worry about crashing if I do it after fasting. (I'm not that good at making myself exercise, but when I do it tends to be fairly energetic! - shredding or a good workout). Do you find it a problem?

PS the thing I do love about this is that if you really want something on a fast day, you can just go "oh, I'll have it tomorrow" which doesn't feel like a big sacrifice at all! Much better than going "oh, I can't have that till I've finished losing weight in 6 months or more - and then still shouldn't really have it or I'll put it all back on again"!

TalkinPeace2 Tue 25-Sep-12 22:28:44

My kids are older. I've told them what I am doing and that this is a diet aimed at over 40s so they are not on it.
I skip breakfast - with the excuse that I am sorting packed lunches and stuff like that rather than eating breakfast.
Lunch - they are at school so its easy
Supper - on your fast day get the kids to eat something you find utterly dull (pasta and effing pesto for example) and you have steamed veg that they will laugh at but you can high horse healthy :-)
Lateral thinking is all ....

frumperina Tue 25-Sep-12 22:51:23

I think I'm going to give this a go. Seems like the kind of thing I might actually be able to stick with, having to think about what I eat every day just makes me depressed. And I really need to get rid of some weight.I will do fast days on mondays and thursdays.
Does anybody know if two days a week would have a massive impact on breastfeeding?( DD is 2 so its not like its necessary for her survival).

mumblechum1 Tue 25-Sep-12 23:49:34

I've been doing this for four weeks now; started on 5:2, now doing ADF, and have lost 8lbs.

My new party trick is taking off my jeans without undoing the button and zip <<proud>> wink

scattergun Wed 26-Sep-12 06:38:39

mumblechum1, I do that too. Silly but fun.

Been doing this since the programme was on (or my version, the dinner to dinner fast) and lost loads of weight initially, completely stalled for a few weeks and losing weight again now. No idea what caused the blip but I'm now within 4-5 lbs of ultimate dream target and have lost 10-12 lbs depending on day of weighing. I eat nothing at all for 22-24 hours, just loads of fluids, then eat what I like for dinner, and do that about 3-4 days a week. Other days as normal but now usually miss breakfast despite being a never-miss-breakfast person before.

The most interesting exercise aspect for me, as a daily runner, is that I find I can run faster and for longer as a 'faster' than I can after breakfast. It doesn't make me more tired for the rest of the day. It seems counter-intuitive but I assume it's a fat-burning thing and fat is an efficient energy store.

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 07:45:04

I was thinking that 14 ryvitas would probably seem like a few too many, but with lots of water, would fill you I think. I may do that instead of porridge. Will have to check their salt content though.

I woke up this morning, not in the slightest bit hungry and had a large bowl of all bran like I usually do. It'll be interesting tomorrow to see when hunger kicks in. I've been heeding the 'don't skip breakfast' lesson for son long.

lagartija Wed 26-Sep-12 08:48:18

Montoya i have a 4.5 yr old and a 16mo and eat with them every lunch, when we have the main meal of the day. Then they have "tea" in the afternoon, which I've never eaten with them.
What I do on fast days is to organise a lunch that I can have a slightly amended version of or a smaller quantity, bulked out with veg. So, for example yesterday I was fasting....they have cereal for brekkie at about 7 but I don't eat with them then, never have. I skipped breakfast anyway as I was fasting. When they came in from pre school and nursery for lunch we had chicken fajitas, which was flour tortillas, grilled chicken strips and salad with lettuce, tomato, avocado, black olives and soft white cheese (queso fresco). I had one tortilla and about 3 thumb sized bits of chicken ad loads of salad, but avoided the avocado and cheese as much as poss. Then I had an apple in the evening. They don't seem to notice that I'm eating a bit differently.
frumperina I'm bfing the 16mo (admittedly only mornings) and it doesn't seem to have any effect doing 5:2 or even 4:3.
Yesterday's fast went fine, so I'm back on the wagon after my 10 day hiatus.

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 08:55:19

HI all, well thanks to emergency 'kick up bum' last night fromTIP thanks and TMLthanks I made it!.. Don't know why this particular fast was so hard when the others haven't been.

Ate too early? Less protein? Cold weather? Anyway , mint tea and putting all my summer clothes away sad and getting the winter ones out did the trick..

Was sad to see just how many of my summer clothes I hadn't worn this year .. just too cold for the dresses I found. I bought a fab 50s style sun dress from Fat Face as well at the beginning of the season and I only wore it once! ( it will probably be too big next year if i carry on like this ..)

Woke up ravenous this morning have had some scrambled eggs (with cheese!)and tomatoes.. Have a lamb steak out of the freezer for dinner ..ill probably have some couscous with it also.

Good luck all fasters today
GirlWTMH put that choc down!! its not yours until tomorrow.. !

So many new people joining us..

Do read the stuff and links above .. and watch the programme if you've not seen it .. its still on YouTube.. Get onto something like myfitnesspal to count calories .. and Jump In!!

Its easy! smile
Stick to 500 cals 2 days a week (or 3 days ,or every other day whatever you are doing .. 5:2 or 4:3 seems about the most popular here ) in one or two meals ..with plenty of non or very low cal liquids (diet drinks are not really the best idea because they can make you hungry amongst other things ) liquids like water or green tea or recommended, coffee is fine (I couldn't do without it!) but do count milk calories if you have it.

Try to have a period of 16 hours when you don't eat at all but do have liquids - l (for optimum cell repair) - most of us do most of this at night!

And on non-fast days eat somewhere around your normal calorie needs (check this out for your weight activity level on the BMR link above ) .Eat what you want but don't go mad ..you are aiming for an overall calorie deficit not making up for your fast days .

Good luck , we are a friendly group and I can honestly say that this WOE (way of eating) has been great for me doesn't feel like a diet at all..

.....Now where's that chocolate I wanted so much last night? Hmmm ..Later perhaps ..smile

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 09:16:59

Lizlemon have I missed something? Why would you want to eat 14 Ryvitas?..

Inneedofbrandy Wed 26-Sep-12 09:30:05

Thank you TP2 I've been googling all last night and am a convert!

Thank you laskara you summed it up nicely for me.

One more question before I do the first fast do I need to of ate normally the day before. Thinking of starting tomorrow as won't have child care to think of, so does that mean today I can eat cheese LOL.

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 09:35:30

I was joking about the 14 ryvitas! but i noticed that each has 34 calories, and i divided 500 by 34.

It wouldn't be a bad way of staying full. 3 ryvitas every two hours? with lots of water. They'd expand in your tummy.

For me, the boredom of eating 14 ryvitas wouldn't bother me. I am not a 'foodie'. I don't have to love every mouthful that passes my lips. But the hunger will be more of a challenge.

loulou969 Wed 26-Sep-12 09:37:48

Second fast day of the week for me. feeling pretty rough; shivery, fluey, headachey,yes I know it's back to school time when all the germs are around but I haven't got kids at home anymore! To top it all my colleague isn't in work today due to cold so I'm on my own with all the work sad
However I WILL stick to the fasting but will have some carbs instead of my usual fruit,salad veg to stop me passing out! At least when today is over that's me done for the week. Good summary btw Laska It says it all really smile

frenchfancy Wed 26-Sep-12 09:38:28

I was wondering the same laska.

But then I was also wondering why someone (sorry can't remember who) was eating french fries on a fast day.

I am a gluten junkie but I have realised that cutting gluten out on fast days makes life much much easier. There is 96 calories in a packet of french fries, much more than in my bowl of tomato soup I had yesterday. and for 14 ryvitas I could have a bowl of veg curry. No contest for me.

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 09:40:27

i seem to remember a school friend of mine telling me that each mcDonalds fry had 11 calories. I think she tipped the bag upside down, counted the number of fries and worked it out. And rounded it up. So if you take 9 average sized fries that's a hundred calories.

I wouldn't risk going into mcdonnalds on a fast day though!

mistlethrush Wed 26-Sep-12 09:52:21

Had a pretty low cal (and low carb) day yesterday and another fast today - currently no problems... However, very busy at work and didn't manage to sort out my DIY hot and sour soup box this morning so have a carton of soup instead. However, at first glance it seems to be remarkably low cal, so I should be able to have that and a salad this evening and still stick to it.

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 09:53:50

oh just realised it was lookbehind you who helped me out last night not TML .. so thanks LBY thanks

Thelittlestranger Wed 26-Sep-12 09:55:08

Talkinpeace, I gave my kids pasta and pesto last week on a fast day...and ended up having cold for lunch the next day it appealed to me so much. But I had added ham, tomatoe, sweet corn and peas...

I've decided to do a fast day today, instead of tomorrow so I can have lunch with my friend tomorrow and dinner with my dad. First time I've only had one feed day in between two fasts, so am experimenting...

Scattergun, I found I could do an extra circuit of weights at the gym when I was fasting, than on a feed day...weird.

Was going to have a chicken Caesar salad for dinner, but am now going to change to a stew I think. Mmmm.

Sorry lizlemon, but the thought of just eating ryvitas all day would make me dread a fast day!!

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 10:03:36

14 Ryvitas. and not just horrid for a fast day .. I would dread the next day too .. Think of the roughage ..shock

Ill get me coat..... smile

Satay Wed 26-Sep-12 10:06:57

On my 6th week doing 5:2 and have lost about 5kg. DH has lost 7kg. We do Monday and Wednesday or Thursday, depending on social arrangements. But we are doing regular exercise, swimming, running etc 4-5 days a week AND not really eating much junk in normal days, sticking to around 2000 cals for me and 2500 for him. Do have a few glasses of wine at the weekend. I'm really surprised how many people still eat stuff like McD's or doughnuts on their regular days, I just don't fancy anything like that now! And my appetite has shrunk a LOT - I used to eat like a pig but unable to.
Stick with it ladies, it DOES get easier!

Satay Wed 26-Sep-12 10:07:42

Forgot to say, don't weigh daily, once or twice a week only!

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 10:14:54

Thats brilliant satay well done I've lost about the same now 10lbs (4.6kg) I'm in week five .. do drink wine at weekends, but exercise has gone a bit to pot these last couple of weeks ,( hough i've still lost) I tend to walk and cycle but am intending to get back into running and zumba now .. Back probs stopped me last year but they seem to have cleared up ..

french i'm with you on the soup and veggies ..

mommybunny Wed 26-Sep-12 10:22:27

Morning all - having a normal day today and will fast tomorrow (not looking forward to it as I'm baking for the Macmillan Coffee Morning at DS's school on Friday sad). I might have overdone yesterday's "normal" day slightly - went to a cosmetics event with a friend at a department store where we had some prosecco and then went out to dinner, where we each had a glass of wine. I fancied chips and I had them, but only half a portion, and I only had a tiny starter-sized portion of salmon tartar. I would never have thought to order just a starter and no main before, but there's no reason not to. My friend had steak and chips, telling herself she's going to start on a "food replacement diet" that she got from Boots on Monday hmm. She knows I'm doing this intermittent fasting, and she has said she's seeing results on me. I'm hoping that will convert her away from a ridiculous food replacement regime that she won't be able to keep up.

As some of you may know, today is Yom Kippur - the Jewish Day of Atonement, when all our Jewish friends fast for 24 hours (not even a sip of water allowed, I believe). With that in mind, I wish you - and them - an easy fast today.

Satay Wed 26-Sep-12 10:22:50

Thanks Laska, well done to you too! it was great to find this thread. It's my fast day today. Not hungry yet so will be oatmeal for a late breakfast then tonight soup & Ryvita. The miso soup was a good tip by the way, got some stowed in the cupboard now!

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 26-Sep-12 10:50:11

Good morning all! Tis a normal day here. I weighed myself this morning and am happy to say I'm down 10 lbs, which is fabulous considering what I've eaten/drank on some of my normal days. grin

I still have the unshakable cold/chest infection though. booo.

mommy Food replacement diet! And people think we're strange. wink I liked the comment above about being part of a secret society; it feels that way at times. I rarely tell people what I'm up to, unless I really, really must. (Like the impromptu getogether at a friend's house. She's an excellent cook and had done all kinds of nibbles, but I really didn't want to mess with my fast days that week as I'd planned them around social events at the weekend. I ended up spilling the beans and getting a few hmm looks, but they were generally supportive. I think!)

TellMeLater Wed 26-Sep-12 10:51:15

Fast day here. Just done my fastest time on a circuit, so fasting has not impaired my athletic performance.

Tom yum soup for lunch with calorie free noodles, then chicken madras with cauliflower rice. Hot drinks of miso, tea and coffee throughout the day.

Could only eat a ryvita that had a thick layer of butter on it, but I could think of quite a few things I'd rather eat first. Fasting has not caused me to change my diet, I don't think...it has made me enjoy the taste of my food though. Yesterday I was almost singing with pleasure while eating pancakes with strawberries and cream cheese. The pleasures of eating....I love food. smile

Inneedofbrandy Wed 26-Sep-12 10:58:25

The more I look into this the more I like it. It's exactly what I was complaining about on AIBU there's no oh il never be able to have cheese again or you can only eat protein with nothing else. Need to tell my mum about this!

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:00:37

TML these the shiritaki noodles ? Are they dried or in ea water and if in water do they need to be kept in the fridge ? What brand do you recommend ?.. i'd probably have to get mine mail order (being marooned in the English channel) .. and i've seen them on Amazon .. Where do you get yours please? .. thanksthanks L x

TellMeLater Wed 26-Sep-12 11:12:56

Laska we get them from Amazon. They come packed in water, as always you need to give them a good rinse before use...

Yam Noodle

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:16:15

Brilliant thanks TML have ordered some and free delivery too..

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 26-Sep-12 11:16:47

Brandy yes, I think this sounds like something you should try. I read your post in AIBU but I really didn't want to get stuck in the thread. Too many generalisations flying about. smile

This way of eating has allowed me to finally eat cheese and other items which had previously been banned as I tend to over-indulge in them. Not only can I have them, but I now don't really want to eat too much of them, because I'm simply not as hungry as I was before. It feels very natural.

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:25:01

Oh. yes..... Cheese..... me too this is such a great WOE

Well done on your weight loss greeneggs hope you start to feel better soon that's gone on a bit hasn't it?

I like the secret society bit too. .Whats our password?

We should institute a secret badge to wear too so we can recognise each other ..... suggestions ?? ..

Inneedofbrandy Wed 26-Sep-12 11:33:41

Yes it sounds a very good way of life and substainable. Not be good for a few weeks then crash off diet and stuff your face with cake!

I known I'm only just joining but secret badge idea should be a cheesy Pom bear!

mistlethrush Wed 26-Sep-12 11:41:12

It should be a circle with 2/7 coloured differently like a pie chart slice... I was looking for such a pie chart image and came across this that rather took my fancy though grin

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:41:56

Do tesco do miso soup. Iwas looking in the soup section yesterday and didn't see it. what section?

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:43:56

the noodles are 14.90 for 6. (prices vary on amazon i find though) that could be because they're running low because a few people have ordered them, so they put th price up for a few days til they get more in).

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:46:35

I like this -symbolising the 5 food days

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 26-Sep-12 11:48:39

Liz I'd be very surprised if they didn't have it at all. Sometimes they put it in the Foreign/Exotic/Whatever section. I often have to go hunting there for black beans for soup. smile

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 11:52:16

liz I buy mine in Holland and Barratt but in supermarkets will be with the oriental foods or health foods (in Sainsburys its with the foreign speciality ingredients bit) . You can get dried sachets like cup a soup , but I prefer the Clearspring brown rice miso in the jar.. keeps ages in the fridge .. 1 teaspoonful is enough in a mug and 20 cals

2012fan Wed 26-Sep-12 12:28:44

I too liked the 'secret society' post, especially the bit '..it's fun and I like it..' An unheard of comment for a diet!! Love the pigs Laska.

Am having a fast day today - the first so far on a day off work, but want fish & chips tomorrow! Finding it harder than usual but have done a Laska and sorted out my clothes and done some chucking out including a size 36E bra which I've held on to thinking I may need it again. Haven't weighed since Saturday but then had lost 6lbs in 4 1/2 weeks.

Off to have some soup. Made a batch of veg soup on Sunday and froze in portions. Strangely although Sun was an eating day and I had lots of lovely food in the fridge, all I fancied was the soup! So that's what I had (but with some bread & butter grin)

RightBuggerforGOLD Wed 26-Sep-12 12:44:06

frumperina No it won't affect bf. I looked into this before starting as I exclusively bf ds (11 weeks) who is a massive chunk and doing very well!

Hi to all the newbies! My top tip is make things easy for yourself. So if you like to cook, get low cal recipies ready, or cook loads and freeze in portions for fast days. If you are not a cook, get some ww ready meals, nimble bread, tinned/cuppa soup in. So you plan what you'll have to make the most of your calories. Also any big craving you have, don't worry about it, you can have it tomorrow!

I love the badges! Feed day for me and I have just enjoyed some chocolate, yum. On 4:3,so another fast day tomorrow.

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 12:45:17

drinking miso soup and its a feed day! .. I love it..

Thina Wed 26-Sep-12 12:46:50

Afternoon all.

Guilty: It was me who ate the French Fries (but it wasn't a fast day blush.
And also me who said it's like a secret society, and I like all the suggestions for badges grin.

On a fst day today but am s-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o tired as I am not sleeping very well and having really bad nightmares. So am going to see how I get on today, but so far so good. As someone earlier said, it's last fast day until next week so I will keep that in mind.

BIWI Wed 26-Sep-12 12:53:10

Just to say - I'm not doing 5:2, but I'm trying intermittent fasting, and today and yesterday I had pretty brutal hour-long sessions at the gym (with my trainer) and managed both sessions as well as I do normally, despite the fact that I hadn't eaten.

If you're ketogenically adapted, i.e. you are in fat-burning mode, it makes sense that it would be OK, as the body will use its fat stores for fuel rather than any food you've just eaten.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 26-Sep-12 13:12:48

Out for Chinese last night and STILL down another pound this week .... 8 since the start of term.
And DH - he who refused to cut calories EVER - now is happy to go to 4:3 as its making him feel better in himself ....

Satay Wed 26-Sep-12 13:17:33

Thina, so you also sleep badly and get nightmares - me too! I was confused because so many people are saying they sleep well on this regime....

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 13:28:48

I'm not sure about nightmares ... though have had some vivid dreams lately .. but yes... sometimes I'm sleeping badly too .. .. it tends to happen though if i don't eat enough on food days - which I can find easily happens as my appetite is a lot less..

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 13:34:41

right. back from tesco and i have my fish sticks, rasberries, celery, porridge, diet yoghurts, low cal beans. I have too much really, I have to have a think about what I'm going to eat and then write it down in advance.

350 grams of celery only has 50 calories
and 250 grams of rasberries only 70 calories! can that be right?!

TalkinPeace2 Wed 26-Sep-12 13:34:41

satay and thina
are you making sure you drink enough water - a large glass before you go to bed, or even better save some calories for a glass of milk....

mommybunny Wed 26-Sep-12 13:35:57

OK, I'm stuffed now. Had a "Mediterranean falafel" from the local Pilpel - yum! While it had plenty of falafel and hummus and a pita I couldn't finish, it also had lots of raw veg salad like grated carrots, red and white cabbage, tabbouleh etc. Oh and I can't forget the fried aubergine slices blush - I almost forgot because I scarfed them immediately upon getting back to my desk and it was a long time ago.

But by god it was tasty. Will keep me going for the rest of the day, at least till dinner...

2012fan Wed 26-Sep-12 14:02:07

Isn't 5:2 intermittent fasting? confused

mommybunny Wed 26-Sep-12 14:07:31

Yes 2012fan, 5:2 is a form (a subset, if you like) of intermittent fasting, like 4:3, 6:1 or ADF. BIWI may be doing intermittent fasting with a different schedule, or no schedule at all - just whenever she fancies it.

BIWI Wed 26-Sep-12 14:10:48

Yep - I'm just missing out breakfast when I feel able to - and sticking to low carbing rather than calorie restriction, so a slightly different regime (although ultimately, cutting out breakfast will also cut down on calories, I suppose!)

BrigitBigKnickers Wed 26-Sep-12 14:24:51

Ok I am struggling today- onto my fourth fast day (last one was Monday) and about to chew the leg of the table despite having just had a poached egg, low cal beans and a small slice of granary bread. Trying to do a 4:3 this week but really don't think I am going to make it...

Had a few crab sticks and cherry tomatoes this morning.

Only got 150 cals left until tomorrow morning.sad

I am feeling tired, light headed and fed up. sad

I am coming to dread the fast days.

But on the plus side my trousers feel looser despite the scales not showing any loss yet.

Tell me this gets easier.

frenchfancy Wed 26-Sep-12 14:30:09

Thina please accept my apologies - I thought you were eating french fries on a fast day blush. On a non-fast day you go ahead and eat what you want (there is a slice of chocolate cake in my fridge with my name on it smile )

frenchfancy Wed 26-Sep-12 14:32:17

Brigit - It does get easier, but I find it easier to cut out bread altogether. I was finding a small amount of bread, rather than filling me up, just made me want to eat more. And for one small slice of bread you can have a whole bowl of soup, or loads of veggies.

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 14:36:15

Tomorrow I'm going to eat
a homemade oat bran muffin - 140 cals
350 grams of celery - 50 cals
350 grams of rasberries 70 cals
small can of diet beans 150 cals
diet yoghurt 50 cals
and 3 fish sticks ! 45 cals!

LookBehindYou Wed 26-Sep-12 14:39:44

Brigit I also suggest cutting out bread as much as possible and replace with veg. I would probably also not have the beans on fast days either. Try it and see if it makes you feel any better. A lot of this is trial and error. Are you drinking enough water?

LizLemon007 Wed 26-Sep-12 14:44:25

can i ask, why no to the baked beans on a fast day? i thought they would be very filling for only 150 cals?

ThatBintAgain Wed 26-Sep-12 15:10:25

Fast thread!

Hi pookey - to answer your questions from Mondays, I've got a stone to lose to get me to the top end of normal BMI and 2 stones to be happy with myself. Put a stone on in the last year after starting a desk job! I read your post from further up about the weight loss not necessarily kicking in for 3 weeks so that's quite reassuring, thanks for posting that!

Fasting again today - have decided to go with having a Covent Garden soup for lunch an hour ago and another later, comes in at 400 cals. I do feel like have been starving on feed days, although haven't really gone over 2000 cals. (quite a lot of those on Monday were Maltesers though! blush )

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 15:10:45

We are all different, but typically I avoid the carby things, fruit, and anything sweet (tho that's easy for me .. no sweet tooth) on fast days but only because it just makes me hungrier quicker and I find it much harder .. but some others here have seemed to have managed fine with bread and beans etc.

My typical fast day FWIW is (its usually the same each time )

Breakfast .. An omelette made with 2 eggs , 1 slice of ham . a little butter and a couple of small tomatoes chopped up (and Franks extra hot sauce! ... Just adore chilli )

Black coffee , green tea , water with slice of lemon

Dinner (ate as early as poss.. often by 5pm ) - a small amount of plain cooked fish or chicken , (around 80 - 100g depending on how much veg I have) and veg like salad greens, broccoli, courgette, mushroom, spring onion .. done in anyway I fancy it , could be as salad, soup or stir fried in a little stock. Or a plate of broccoli (love broccoli) with a few prawns spring onion and soy sauce.. (and more Franks!)

A mug of miso soup (with Franks of course - I should buy shares ) if desperate (not usually)

I find this keeps me pretty stable as per hunger . Yesterday I didn't have my normal breakfast had veggies instead and at my meals really early... was pretty hungry in the evening , so probably wont do that again ..

BTW did you know that Thais etc ..eat a lot of chilli because its supposed to help keep hunger at bay ?

LookBehindYou Wed 26-Sep-12 15:12:08

I wouldn't say 'no' to anything. I suggested it because Brigit said she felt shakey. I also actually read low calorie baked beans (might have made a mistake with that) and when I looked on the tin they had quite a bit of sugar and salt added. You can eat a huge amount of veg or veg soup for 150 cals.

LookBehindYou Wed 26-Sep-12 15:17:02

Red chillis are full of vitamins too aren't they? Vitamin C, B vitamins, magnesium etc.

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 15:27:52

Didn't know that.LBY - yet another good reason to splash on the Franks (as if I needed one grin..) I also think that if you are not having a great deal of food then its also good to add flavour where you can. I have lots of chopped fresh coriander or parsley in my omelette and also black pepper, fresh herbs and often garlic in my veggies later on...

LookBehindYou Wed 26-Sep-12 15:30:04

I haven't tried the Franks sauce Laska but might have to since you've given it such a cheer leading endorsement!

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 15:40:19

grin no connection to me apart from the fact they'd probably go under without me! grin.. They do the 'red hot' in most places but I recommend the 'extra hot' (Its not that hot) .. They sell it in Sainsburys I'm told ( but not my local one here so I buy it from Scorchio website .. well recommended for chilli lovers )

frenchfancy Wed 26-Sep-12 15:43:34

Interesting you say that about chilli, I don't normally like too much spice, but on fast days I have found myself adding tabasco to my soup. It stops me eating it too quickly, and I can only take too much heat so when I'm finished I feel sated. I didn't know there was any science behind it though, I thoug it was just me.

BurningBright Wed 26-Sep-12 15:47:53

Blimey! This thread moves fast! shock Out of the office for two days and the new thread is up to 18 pages.

Had my third fast on Monday, having my fourth on Thursday, weighing in on Friday. Going fine so far thoug. Fast days have not been a problem and even on non-fast days I find I'm eating really healthily.

Hi all, so a non fast day or me (I only work Mon/Wed/Thur, and that's usually when i check on here - any other single parents find they have more time at work than at home?)

arived at work starving (been up since 6.30 with nothing to eat and drink) so made plain porridge with skimmed milk and added a mashed banana, 2 cups of tea, and then by 11 I could resist no longer - i ate one of teh cake pops i made yesterday......yes i ridiculously decided to branch out from my usual cupcakes and big cakes to try out cake pops - ON A FAST DAY!!!!!!

crazy, all last night my lodger - who is tall, skinny and supermodel gorgeous, scoffed 3 and kept telling me how amazing they were, but I resisted!

but I ate one at 11, then I bought a very yummy covent garden bowl soup sweet potato and coconut, which was only 250 cals, but then also had a quarter of a brie and cranberry sandwich (leftovers from work function) and then I've eaten 2 pieces of galaxy caramel........

anyway the reason for my long and boring list of what I have eaten, was to say that I got a bit paranoid that i was massively overeating, by way of snacking, and I would be blowing all yesterdays good work, but, I have now added up, with the aid of calorie counter app, and actually I've still only had 1110 cals, so I should just chill out!

So, I can relax, go home, eat supper with my monkeys, and all will be fine, so long as I eat no more delicious cake pops!

2nd fast day of the week tomorrow, 8th week of fasting.

ps. sorry if TMI, but is anyone else getting constipated?

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 26-Sep-12 17:21:49

mumofcrazy (just wanted to shorten your name to that! grin )

In one of our previous threads, we did mention the dreaded TMI- constipation. I think apricots were suggested by at least one person. All I can say it, it helps to keep up your fruit/veg and be sure to keep hydrated. I sometimes have a problem with it, but not too often now really.

poachedeggs Wed 26-Sep-12 17:55:12

I'm sorry, I haven't contributed for ages, but I need help! My 250 calories I'd set aside for dinner were obliterated by a forceful public offering of birthday cake and now the DC are having boiled eggs for dinner and I'm wavering ... Just posting for distraction!

captainmummy Wed 26-Sep-12 18:00:45

Laska and other chilli-heads - I remember Nigella saying that when she's on a diet she needs strongly flavoured foods tomake her feel as though she 'eaten', IYSWIM..

I put chilli sauce on almost everything too, jamaican style.

Crazynamekids - try a couple of teaspoons of linseed/flaxseeds (same thing) with a pint of water. Or lots of hot black tea (I drink green or Roiibos tea, black no sugar)

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 26-Sep-12 18:10:52

poached you've made it this far in the day! You don't want to have to start all over again for a fast day tomorrow, do you? smile

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 18:36:22

poached do what I did yesterday ..make a pot of tea and go and sort your wardrobe out .. Dcs can 'help'? you'll be so distracted then you'll forget about food

rachelblythe Wed 26-Sep-12 18:42:48

I just ordered a pack of 6 shiritaki noodles from Amazon, thanks for the link. For that have already eaten them, what is your recommended way of cooking? I have read a few styles, dry frying them sounding the most favourable to me so far.

Fast day for me. Had left over stew for lunch (just the veg and gravy) and a soup for dinner. I think I'm actually closer to 600 rather than 500 but as I'm starting to think about a maintenance plan, rather than weight loss, I'm happy with the cals.

worldcitizen Wed 26-Sep-12 18:55:56


Woke up not hungry, had green tea and water all day and then in the afternoon had 1 apple and 1 yoghurt (natural without anything)

Came home from work and bought corgette, mushrooms, red pepper, spring onions and cauliflower on the way....all prepared in broth with fresh seasoning and fresh parsely and ate it with rice....

After one small portion I am so stuffed and I think I must have at least 4-6 more servings left....

Not hungry and lots of energysmile thanksto all for the kick up the behindgrin

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 19:01:35

YAY!!! to WC !! You did it ..grin ... I would suggest an early night with tea and a book if you can ....take it easy this evening ..Don't worry if you feel hungry later.. it wont get worse ..... You can eat in the morning

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Wed 26-Sep-12 19:01:48

Oh god yesterday fast day going fine, got a bit ratty later on in the afternoon, but then crashed and burnt in the mayhem of dinner, bath, bed, had two coffees and two fags in quick succession and promptly threw up everywhere. Couldn't face my veggie miso soup for dinner so just went to bed so think I ended up only having about 200kcal, horrid.

Exhaustion, not eating a bigger meal til much later, heavy drinking the previous few nights maybe? Now waiting to do my driving test and feel weak and awful


Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 19:05:24

Rachel i've not tried then yet either but have ordered some today..did you see that some reviews are saying they can smell a bit 'fishy' when you open them but are ok once rinsed in water? ..

I thought id probably put mine in soup or in stir fry with a sauce of some sort .. maybe black bean? would need to check the calories of black bean though

BrigitBigKnickers Wed 26-Sep-12 19:08:58

Can anyone tell me what to do about this awful taste in my mouth?- tea makes it worse and I am craving something sweet just to get rid of it.

Had some smoked salmon with a salad for tea so not hungry but have no calories left for today.

pookey Wed 26-Sep-12 19:10:03

girlwith how awful. Nerves I was sick before my first driving test. When is the test?

wow world citizen that sounds uber healthy.

I was scuppered by cake I made too mumofcrazy. DP got me to make a large birthday srtyle one for his work. I had a tiny bit of the leftovers he brought home, mainly to see what it tasted like. Think I had 650 today quite a bit was milk in tea and coffee. bit disappointed

worldcitizen Wed 26-Sep-12 19:10:52

Thanks Laska i really feel very wonderful, strange enough as I had a lot to do today, but feel like going to have a relaxing shower soon and I think your suggestion is great, I am actually in the midst of reading an 'Anne Enright book', so I will do this and turn off lights whenever I feel eye lids getting heavy even if it is much earlier than usual...

Thanks all, I was so worried, but all the motivation helped. I am not sure, if I will leave it at that for this week OR if I simply decide Friday or Saturday to have another go, will let my feeling and body decide...

pookey Wed 26-Sep-12 19:11:13

Brigit I have funny taste thing too.

ThatBintAgain Wed 26-Sep-12 19:34:39

I had the taste thing too - weirdly it was worse on a feed day last week. (Only started doing this last week so hoping that won't happen again!) It was a bit like pine mouth if you've ever had it - but it went the next day. Horrible though, and don't know why it happens?!

Have got through today on just soup but then had a handful of peanuts so hoping that I haven't totally buggered up today's efforts?

worldcitizen Wed 26-Sep-12 19:53:33

pookey and how did it taste?

pookey Wed 26-Sep-12 19:59:29

the other day it was a metalic taste today its kind of like my tongue is prickly!

rachelblythe Wed 26-Sep-12 20:00:04

Laska, yes i read about the fishy smell and to give them a good rince first, thanks though. I too was thinking about a stir fry,i guess it is the obvious first choice. Although maybe with some fish and broccoli might be nice too, with soy sauce or chilli. I was looking at the noodles on Amazon a few days ago but was initially put off by the price got one pack, about £8 with delivery,.and was reluctant to buya pack of 6 in case i don't like them. Oh well, they are ordered now and I'm hoping they arrive Friday as suggested, will be useful to have for a fast day.

worldcitizen Wed 26-Sep-12 20:05:04

I am trying to find the right words in English, but I believe it is a natural part almost like a detox and does it have something to do with ketosis?

TalkinPeace2 Wed 26-Sep-12 20:27:41

Try hot water with a couple of slices of lemon in it - like a weak tea.
But basically if your taste buds have been used to lots of sweet things they are going to be in rather a state of shock for a few weeks!

poachedeggs Wed 26-Sep-12 20:50:44

Thanks very much, GreenEggs your post reminding me that I DO NOT want another bloody fast day tomorrow did the trick! I've had a cup of tea to keep me going and I've got an article to write then I'm off to bed.

I don't feel great but today was rotten. I'd planned a nice lunch of prepacked leafy salad with dressing but it was totally foul. "Truly Irresistible" my arse. I had a packet of Quavers for the same calories, and a fruit salad for lunch. Dinner was going to be crab sticks (12 calories a piece, bingo!) and a couple of slices of Nimble. But instead I had this (delicious, but so not worth the pain) piece of cake pressed upon me and I was like a rabbit in the headlights, not wishing to disclose my weird diet habits to the office but also really not wishing to ruin my day ... but I ate it and I've felt crap ever since. And hungry.

OK moan over.

I put on weight over the weekend and after a failed fast day last week but it's cool. I also haven't managed any exercise for a week shock so tomorrow I do something. For now I am dreaming about breakfast ... peanut butter and jam on toast ... a huge bowl of muesli ... pancakes ... a bacon and tomato butty ... or poached eggs (obviously a favourite).

Mmmmmmmmmbreakfast .....

Laska42 Wed 26-Sep-12 21:00:05

Poached eggs I don't really eat cake(I don't actually like sweet stuff much) , but sometimes the 'you are so weird' thing gets to me and I take it.

But then i say 'ill have it later on /after i've done/eaten so and so, or with my next cup of coffee .... THEN when no ones looking ...secrete it into my bag and in the bin later .. always leaving a few crumbs on the desk .. 'Oh yes it was lovely thanks' ! Is that weird .. ? ,.

Ok I know it is , but then the feelings don't get hurt and I don't have to eat it either..

Also i've found that people do love to sabotage a diet .. havent you? Be sneakier than them !!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Wed 26-Sep-12 21:01:23

thanks pookey passed the test, just! Thank god though.

Might change fast day from tomorrow to Friday depending how today goes, clearly need to eat before 7pm, was not a good lesson to learn!

worldcitizen Wed 26-Sep-12 21:20:09

Also i've found that people do love to sabotage a diet .. havent you?

So true, which is no-one knows other than the MN gang grin

poachedeggs Wed 26-Sep-12 21:48:28

"I don't really eat cake" WHAT?! <faints>

Send me some of that please!

pookey Wed 26-Sep-12 22:09:19

Girlwithmouseyhair that's amazing well done you!

ah is the lemon to counteract the metal TP2?
Worldcitizen I think you might be right after your posy I looked up ketosis and think I have been experiencing quite a few of these signs of ketosis:

•sweet, fruity or metal taste in the mouth
•strong smelling urine
•reduced appetite
•elimination of food cravings
•feelings of well being or euphoria
•mental clarity
•increased energy
•increased thirst

Is it good or bad to have ketosis?

Def beware of diet sabouters(Sp?)

mistlethrush Wed 26-Sep-12 22:30:42

Managed 2nd fast day (with day in the middle) today quite happily - although I ate a carton of soup for lunch as I was in a rush leaving this morning- then was out and didn't manage to eat until 9pm when I had some cucumber and 3 large tomatoes and a bit of tofu with basil in a salad. Will wait and see how things go for the rest of the week but not going to eat too much (fingers crossed)

Satay Thu 27-Sep-12 00:21:21

Just a thought - those who do eat stuff like chocolate cake (which I saw someone wrote earlier today) on their normal days, do you not think it will make the next fast day even more difficult? One of the reports I read before starting my plan recommended not "eating whatever you want" on the normal days but cutting out (or down on) cakes, bread and junk food. I understand the occasional treat but seems some people are doing fast days then go on to binge on heavy carbs, fatty and sugary foods which seems pointless...? I also read a few blogs also saying the same thing, feasting on cakes on the normal day, then complaining that there's no weight-loss. I have a really sweet tooth myself so I know it's tricky! smile
Weekly weigh in for me tomorrow....

GreenEggsAndNichts Thu 27-Sep-12 01:15:31

Satay I think moderation is key really. If people want to cut out sweets, bread, carbs etc, they certainly can.

I'm not sure it's accurate to say people are "bingeing" on items when we've no idea how big of a portion they consumed. When I say I'm excited I ate cheese the other day, it's not like I sat and ate the entire block. smile I actually only ate a very small amount, because that is what satisfied me. But previously I might have eaten quite a bit more. The links in the OP comment on people eating things such as cheeseburgers etc on non-fast days. Is it ideal in a healthy world? I guess not, but they still lost weight.

I do also allow myself biscuits, or cake, but again I'm not overdoing it and certainly not consuming them in large, binge-like quantities. Actually, I don't think I've had any biscuits this week. I just finished a non-fast day and I don't think I ate any sweets, aside from some apricots. shock But like people in the articles said, the whole idea that I could have biscuits if I wanted them is what makes this, psychologically, an easy way of eating for me.

I think for many of us, we're doing this particular diet because it doesn't require use to limit ourselves to certain foods. We can do it that way, and it might be the only way that it works for some people, but for some of us it works just fine without the limitations.

I often avoid saying what I eat on non-fast days because I know everyone here has their own opinions of what is healthy food and what isn't. All I can say it, I've lost a lot of weight and I'm very pleased with my progress. If I get to the point where I'm not losing weight anymore, I will consider restricting my diet further. At the moment, though, I enjoy making homemade pizza dough for my family, I enjoy being able to eat some with them (again, nowhere near the quantities I might have eaten before), and well, I'm just really enjoying this WOE.

pookey Thu 27-Sep-12 01:18:49

Satay I mentioned eating chocolate cake but it was one cake ( not even a cupcake a fairy cake really wink ) I had less than 1500 cals that day so def not a binge. I want to eat more healthily but baking is fun too.

Satay Thu 27-Sep-12 02:02:21

Ah OK, thanks for your comments! smile Things do come across differently on these posts and I hope I didn't sound mean...? But seriously, on another blog I read, the people following this diet were eating pure junk on their "feast days" then complaining that they felt crappy.
I'll also confess, I am a Brit but currently in Hong kong, hence my posts in the middle of your night! First thing in the morning here....

catsrus Thu 27-Sep-12 02:10:19

I'm another one who can happily leave cake - I've found very few that I really enjoy. Our office is a bit cake obsessed grin but I just say I'm not really keen on cake "but if you put a pate of chips there I'd find it hard to resist" I'm also unable to resist meringue and proper Christmas cake.... So everyone knows I'm not really a cake person - but on my own birthday I made sure it was a non fast day and I brought in a nice fruit cake (as well as chocolate cake) and had a bit of that smile. That's what's so wonderful about this WOE!

ThinkICan Thu 27-Sep-12 04:15:41

Started 4:3 a month back after getting inspired by all your posts. Lost 9 pounds but am still at BMI 30 - obese category. Worried about BP which is 147/90, which is mild hypertension, bad news for someone whose parents were both taking BP medication. I'm 58 years old and would like to get my BP down naturally without drugs in a couple of months before seeing my doctor who will put me on drugs for the rest of my life! Any of you lifesavers who can throw me a line and tips? I maintain a document where I paste inspiring comments and tips from all of you that I dip into every day! thanks to all of you.

ThinkICan Thu 27-Sep-12 04:17:37

Greeneggs and Laska - you are my particular angels!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Thu 27-Sep-12 04:33:51

No idea on tips etc but sounds like you're doing brilliantly ThinkICan. Is the blood pressure reading a very recent one or could it have changed recently? No idea about that kind of thing but honestly that weightless ounds amazing, well done you

Satay Thu 27-Sep-12 04:35:53

Hi ThinkIcan, I found these online which have some eating tips re blood pressure:
Good luck!

Weigh in today - lost another kg!

ThinkICan Thu 27-Sep-12 06:02:29

Thanks Girl and thanks Satay for the tips and the good wishes. I have so much weight to lose I guess the body is shedding it in a hurry. Though from prior dieting experiences the weight loss will plateau or come back soon! I also have an underactive thyroid for which I am taking Thyronorm 50mcg (Levothyroxine sodium). I'm hoping that with your tips and moral support, I'll be able to manage my health at the pre-disease level! Look forward to tips from others as well and good luck to all those who are on the Health Forever IF path smile

ThinkICan Thu 27-Sep-12 06:03:49

Oh and Satay, the BP has been borderline whenever I check. So the tendency is very much there and has to handled by a change in lifestyle which is what I hope IF will provide.

poachedeggs Thu 27-Sep-12 06:13:00

smile Think, my mum sorted hers out by weight loss and loads of walking. No meds required in the end

ThinkICan Thu 27-Sep-12 06:23:15

Was Googling Ryvitas LizLemon and came upon this amusing piece by a guy who calls himself a diet bore and says he is obsessed with Ryvitas which he calls 'tasteless, meaningless, chipboard rectangles '. But he's lost over a stone in 2 months - like all annoying men! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2167347/Pass-Ryvita--Ive-diet-bore.html is the link.

Satay Thu 27-Sep-12 07:11:20

Think, it's a Daily Mail article, not to be taken seriously! ;)
I think the sesame Ryvitas actually taste good! Though of course better with some cream cheese & Marmite....

Thelittlestranger Thu 27-Sep-12 07:30:41

Survived fast day yesterday, although I was chomping at the bit in the evening. Ended up with a yoghurt, which inky took me to apprx 530 cals, so satisfied with that. I don't need to do another fast day until next Monday now, but will see how I feel with four feed days on the trot...I may have a 24 hour fast instead on the weekend...

I'm on my 4th week (weigh in tomorrow) and I've found that the only week I haven't lost is when I did more drinking than usual. But I have cut out a lot of sweet things, purely because I've lost the taste for them - and by not eating any, I hope to discourage the taste coming back!

Good luck to all fasting today...

BelinaTheChicken Thu 27-Sep-12 07:31:00

Have you tried the sweet Ryvitas? They are so good.

5th fast day yesterday, and now that the novelty has worn off I did struggle towards the end. It didn't help that all the roast chicken leftovers were in the fridge, including sausage meat stuffing. Was so close to going in a eating the lot, so instead I got a load of freezer bags, weighed out 100 calorie portions of chicken for me, and portions of chicken and stuffing for the DC and shoved it all in the freezer. Problem solved, I didn't break my fast and I have easy meals in the freezer for the DC. I even froze the leftover mash.

Going to make a stock with the bones today so I can make more soup for my fast days, should really have done it yesterday but couldn't cope with too much time in the kitchen without eating something grin

LizLemon007 Thu 27-Sep-12 07:56:55

It's my fast day. Luckily hunger hasn't even kicked in yet, been up for nearly an hour. I have the oat bran muffin in my handbag, so I won't eat it until I am hungry.

Belina, I can imagine, I feel all "in the zone" about this today and I know I can do it. I'd say it just gets a bit drudgy when you're losing count of how many times you've done it.

frumperina Thu 27-Sep-12 07:57:36