5:2 Diet Thread: Part Three. Come join us!

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GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 15:51:33

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon recently, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but it was a 40 page thread! This is a good start for anyone, though:

First things first, here is a link to our previous thread, which we've outgrown. Lots of good support and ideas still to be found there.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

Here is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.

There is a Wiki article here which explains intermittent fasting and gives a short summary of some studies which have been done on it.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. smile

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Goof Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

I will start a different thread just for recipe links, though, as there seems to be some demand for that.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are new to this diet. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous thread, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon. wink

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

BuntCadger Fri 07-Sep-12 15:52:21

Pulls up a comfy beanbag smile

BuntCadger Fri 07-Sep-12 15:52:55

thanks greeneggs

BuntCadger Fri 07-Sep-12 15:54:21

Re health benefits. Dh has IBS and on his fat days he's not needed his medication

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 15:55:25

<waves> grin

and brew all around for the fasters today.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 15:55:28

Bunt THAT is reason enough to go with it. Wow.

frenchfancy Fri 07-Sep-12 16:04:01

wine for those that aren't fasting today smile

HorryWinwood Fri 07-Sep-12 16:04:23

I am on 3rd day fast in my first week - aiming to do 4:3. So far, and I am aware its just week 1, I am finding this much easier than I had expected. Primarily I am doing this for weight loss as i have a lot of weight to lose but the health benefits seem so good I see this as a lifestyle change rather than the latest diet.
Thanks greenEggs for the OP its very handy to have all that info in one place

Aftereightsaremine Fri 07-Sep-12 16:07:23

Thanks greeneggs! As I said on previous thread it's improved my RA quite considerably so I'm definitely going to carry on!

ILoveLemonCurd Fri 07-Sep-12 16:12:58

Popping my head up to mark my place <hope I won't need a tin hat> wink

Thanks green eggs. Off to cook a nice healthy tea smile.

ChazsGoldAttitude Fri 07-Sep-12 16:24:43

Hello all!
<<Sits down - realises that following gym session today she can't get up again wink>>

LulaTheOneAndOnlyMrsPistorius Fri 07-Sep-12 16:26:40

thanks GreenEggs

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 16:27:18

wine tonight here too - no booze all week even on food days.

Chaz Agreed - still ache from BodyPump on Wednesday but got through my swim and classes today and then scrambled egg on toast for lunch. PIZZA for supper though ...

Sputnik Fri 07-Sep-12 16:28:14

Thanks for gathering up all the links Greeneggs.

As it's a new thread I thought I'd quickly sum up my experience so far, also to help newbies coming to the thread.

I'm doing 5:2, I usually skip breakfast then divide my 500 cals between lunch and dinner. Usually it'll be a big salad with a bit of fish or cheese, cooked veg, omlettes, soup. With this kind of stuff I can usually get a good platefull and don't feel deprived. I've found it relatively easy so far, some days more than others, keeping busy and drinking lots of water and tea helps.

Been doing this for 3.5 weeks now, I've definitely noticed I have less tendency to snack and reduced appetite generally, especially the day after a fast day.

I am also very much enjoying being able to forget about monitoring my food on other days, I've always eaten healthily, just too much! So for me a treat is homemade cake, a pizza out, Greek yogurt, I can enjoy all these guilt free!

I am planning to do this long term, for the health benefits and as a way of controlling my weight (leading to further health benefits), in the time I've been doing this I have lost weight quite quickly, something I thought had become impossible for me at my age (45).

I've also been combining this with strength training, I find the 2 combine very well.

saladfingers Fri 07-Sep-12 16:28:49

Wow greenEggs you have been busy.
Thank you.
I'm on 5th fast day of my 5:2 new lifestyle.I'm also not going to call this a diet as I always fail at those.This is increasingly feeling like something that is sustainable.
I want to live longer than my parents (DM 54 DF 62).I'm 45 with 4 children, whom I don't want to leave anytime soon.My BMI is 30.I have lost inches and approx 9lbs in last 3 weeks.
I had 2 eggs scrambled on 2 slices of wholemeal toast for a late lunch today followed by a nectarine.Not particularly inspiring I know but very easy and tasty.
I have no idea if this is really a suitable meal however it was just under 500 calories.
Would love some new ideas.I'm trying to leave 16 hours before and after the 500 calorie meal with just water/peppermint/green tea in between times.
I'm interested in reading everyone's stories.

OHforDUCKScake Fri 07-Sep-12 16:30:37

Thanks, loads and loads of links!

Im coming to the end of my first day fasting. Not too bad as it goes.

Im planning on giving it a month and seeing if its 'for me'. But so far so good.

I just keep thinking I'll have a ham roll tomorrow and being [shocked] about it.

Bread?! [shocked] White bread?! [shocked]

I still dont quite believe it which is why Im giving it a month so see if I put ON weight. wink

Sputnik Fri 07-Sep-12 16:32:05

Aftereights that's great!
Talking, muscle ache is excellent, means you've done something grin

OHforDUCKScake Fri 07-Sep-12 16:33:41

I need to work on my emoticons!

BIWI Fri 07-Sep-12 16:37:46

Great OP, GreenEggs.

Mintyy Fri 07-Sep-12 16:50:10

Thanks v much for the new thread greeneggs.

I am going to be very lazy (apols) and ask if someone can explain the 16 hours thing to me. I have seen it mentioned a couple of times, but no further detail. I know the info I am looking for is buried here in the threads somewhere but I wondered if it could be summed up in an easy sentence?

wine cheers to all non-fasting wine drinkers this fine evening.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 17:00:10

Thanks everyone!

Here is my own experience so far: I started this diet just over three weeks ago. I've lost over 8 pounds. I'm doing 4:3, so am fasting 3 days a week. I'd be doing ADF but 4:3 fits better, so I can plan to be eating every Sunday as that fits in best with my home and social life.

On fast days I plan it so that I don't eat anything until early evening. I drink a couple of cups of coffee or tea over the course of the day, with semi-skimmed milk in. My evening meal is usually just veg, or vegetable soup. I do also take vitamin supplements on these days as well as eating days; I'd started this before doing this diet but I try to keep up with it now.

I'm not doing cardio at the moment (have spent most of the summer on medication to get rid of a blood clot in my leg! And no, I was not sedentary before that- I'd been Shredding regularly, in addition to my daily walking everywhere). I'm gradually walking more, though, and still do about an hour of brisk walking on fast days.

Fasting itself is much easier now than it was the first day or two. I don't feel light-headed or desperate, though by about 9pm I might be planning the next day's dinner. smile

I'm finding these threads very helpful, and really appreciate all of your posts.

(I will start a recipe thread soon but am busy just this minute, will try to get some links together and post it tonight if that's alright!)

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 17:02:59

oh and I should have added: on my eating days, I am not counting calories. I allow myself to eat whatever I might be craving.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 17:06:44

Mintyy
16 hours : have a medium sized healthy supper around 7pm. No snacks in the evening, sleep, no breakfast, lunch around noon : bingo 16 hour fast without even realising it!

Mintyy Fri 07-Sep-12 17:19:20

Yes, but why 16 hours ... is there something special about 16 hours in particular? And is desirable that on fast days or every day? (thanks btw).

I am not a breakfast person either and the constantly being told I must eat breakfast has really pissed me off in the past. I tend to eat my main meal much too late at night though.

Herrena Fri 07-Sep-12 17:31:16

Hello all

I think someone asked a question on the previous thread about IGF1... by a curious coincidence I used to work on the receptor for that hormone!

The receptor for IGF1 is massively overproduced in many cancers, with the result that the cancer cells are very responsive to the hormone, thus growing faster than normal cells. This links in with the IGF1-deficient people featured in the Horizon documentary; they don't produce the hormone and so don't grow large, but they also don't develop full-blown cancer. I think that's because even if they did develop cancerous cells, they wouldn't get the chance to grow fast because there's no hormone about.

In the documentary there was some mention of the fact that decreased protein intake led to decreased production of IGF1, thereby driving the body into 'fix-it' mode rather than 'growth' mode (these aren't official terms, I'm paraphrasing). So logically those people who are doing this for health benefits such as increased production of neural cells probably ought to reduce protein intake, or at least not have too much of it for the last meal of the day.

Confusingly, there are also studies showing that low-carbing long-term will also extend your life-span significantly (worms lived twice as long). Maybe it activates the same sort of 'fix-it' mode as ADF, who knows.

Anyway. Thought someone out there might be interested!

On a personal note: I am doing this primarily to lose the weight gained in two pregnancies and am not too fussed as to what ratio my calories arrive in smile

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 17:34:20

low protein and low carb at the end of the day - leaves only wine
Herrena you have made my day !

Herrena Fri 07-Sep-12 17:42:39

grin

Nenufar Fri 07-Sep-12 17:51:02

I have been doing ADF for 3 weeks now. I have lost half a stone and, like others have found that I don't really feel that hungry on my feed days. I always seem to feel great the morning after a fast day.

The only thing I am finding hard is exercising. I do a lot of running but just don't feel like I have enough energy to run in the evening of a fast day, so I am just going for a walk instead. Running is no problem on feed days.

I don't have a lot of weight to lose. I weigh 10 stone and would like to get down to 9 ideally. I used to weigh 13 stone and lost 3 stone through weightwatchers originally but was getting really depressed as a result of constantly feeling hungry. Compared to WW, this diet is a breeze and fits in really well with family life. I even managed to do it last week when my in-laws were visiting and they didn't even seem to notice!

Rosylarose Fri 07-Sep-12 17:58:15

Herrena - I think it might have been me you'd spotted as raising this question. Thanks for the response. If I understand it, the IGF1 connection is therefore to do with general health benefits and not with weightloss specifically. Useful to have the clarification. And also sounds like confirmation that the weightloss aspect of this diet results from calorie restriction and not from any hormonal benefit. Thanks to everyone for their thoughtful responses to my last post. No question that I'm in this for the weight loss - obesity is by far the biggest health risk I'm facing. But I have revisited the guidance I've had on my base calorie level and I think I might have been overcautious with it. It's more like 1900 than 1600 calories. So I'm going to up my eating days allowance to 1500 calories, keep the exercise at the same level and experiment with having two days between fast days. That's after I get back from my week's holiday! Good luck to all, whatever your motivations. 

Mintyy Fri 07-Sep-12 18:08:29

Would you consider not counting your calories at all on non fasting days rosy? Just keeping an eye on portion size and snacking?

Can I join you all on your shiny new thread? smile

I am planning to do ADF and this is my first fast day: I decided to have breakfast and lunch today as I had quite a lot of work to get through and figured I can just take to my bed if it gets too much in the evening. Must admit I am struggling a bit and keep fantasizing about fresh bread and a tasty chunk of cheese! I have sought you all out in an effort to stay strong until the morning. But please tell me it gets a bit easier when you get on a roll? Btw I am primarily doing this for weight loss at the moment and hope I can stick to it.

Rosylarose Fri 07-Sep-12 18:20:45

I get your point Mintyy, but the thing is, the fact that I'm 5 stone overweight is a good indication that I'm not good at moderating what I eat without a mechanism to keep me on the straight and narrow, even though I know what's healthy and what isn't. it's not for everyone, I'm sure, but for me, counting calories and keeping an honest food diary focuses me and is a tried and tested recipe for success. Albeit temporary success so far. With so much to lose I feel a much more disciplined and structured approach is called for than might be the case for someone who only has to do a bit of tweaking on otherwise healthy eating habits to lose a small amount of weight. smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 18:24:27

Walking we've all had different responses to fasting, but for me, it did get easier after the first few fast days. I do recall clearly being desperate by the end of my first fast day and having a very small piece of the focaccia I'd baked the day before as I just really needed something with bread to chew and swallow.

Since then, I've almost exclusively stuck to veg and coffee on my fast days, and my main meal is in the evening. You'll figure out what works for you, though.

Nice to have you here! Good luck!

MamaGeekChic Fri 07-Sep-12 18:26:00

Marking my place on the new thread

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 18:27:43

Rosy would you consider raising your calories eaten on an eating day, to maybe 1800 or so? Just wondering if that would help you. My eating days leave me satisfied, and I rather welcome the fast day. If you're left hungry on a day you're meant to be eating, you can't possibly be lasting through a fast day very well. sad

Thanks for the welcome greeneggs and the information. I agree that psychologically it is probably just to hold out to lunchtime for the 16 hours rather than see the whole afternoon and evening stretching ahead when you've had your second meal at lunchtime. Think I might try this on Sunday. I also need to look over your previous threads properly so that I can plan good calorie restricted meals for fast days

TellMeLater Fri 07-Sep-12 18:45:16

Thank you for the new thread greeneggs I'm going to try climbing back on the wagon on Monday, now the dcs are back at school, my mood has improved enormously. wink

I'm training for a running event ATM and my fitness guy is concerned about the lack of fuel to power my runs but I've had my fastest times yet on the days following fast days, so it's all a little confusing. Might try one fast day a week, given I don't lose any weight with 2 days anyway.

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Fri 07-Sep-12 18:45:47

marking my place.

ChazsGoldAttitude Fri 07-Sep-12 18:48:14

Rosy
It may be that you will need to play around with the numbers until you find what works for you. If you aren't losing weight as expected it may be that the calorie restriction on the feed days is a bit low and your metabolism is slowing too much. Perhaps look at net calories so eating a bit more if you have exercised.

For me, this has to be something I own rather than a rigid set of rules because I know I have such a long haul just to get down to a healthy weight and need to be able to maintain that weightloss long term.

We are all finding our feet here and I am sure you will find the way that works best for you.

tumbletumble Fri 07-Sep-12 18:49:02

Marking my place on the new thread - thanks Greeneggs

BIWI Fri 07-Sep-12 19:02:46

Those of you who are eating what you want on a feed day - do you moderate this in any way, or do you just eat what you want? This is what scares me. I'm worried I'll just fall into a plate of pasta and a vat of wine, with a side order of chocolate biscuits along the way confused

3duracellbunnies Fri 07-Sep-12 19:05:59

Thanks Greeneggs. Did my first fast day yesterday and it went fine, and not too hungry today, infact I snacked less so I don't have so much to lose. Will have to look into the hormone aspect in more detail as long term I am interested in the health benefits as I don't have too much to loose, but don't want to risk it going back on, and so far this diet isn't too bad. I reckon it will be a term time only diet though.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 07-Sep-12 19:15:41

Eat what I want. It'll sound crazy, but after the first couple of days (so, a full week- the fast days were a struggle and the eating days were wonky. Wouldn't say I ate a LOT on eating days but I was eating more than now) I stopped being as hungry as I was previously.

Pasta is my nemesis and I just usually avoid it as a general rule. Today (an eating day) I had some leftover fusilli from my son's lunch. Literally would have been a handful- it was a bit over half of one of those IKEA plastic bowls children usually have. I grated some Parmesan on it and ate it. It was lovely, and I didn't think "oh wow what else can I eat now?!" smile

I had two chocolate biscuits. Again, it was just nice to have actual chocolate and not feel guilty over it. I didn't eat any more of them.

This is about what my eating days are like. I don't usually go into detail as I know at any given moment, about half the thread is trying to have a fast day. grin I'm not usually the queen of self control or anything, but I think the fast days have helped me reduce my appetite a bit. And I know I "could" eat anything I want the next day, which is a nice feeling. Most of the time, I don't, but the idea that I could is very nice. I believe that bit is mentioned in some of the studies.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 19:16:22

LOL at BIWI
I'm currently having a margarita with home grown lime (YUM)
BUT my tolerance has gone down and my stomach must have shrunk because I'm peckish but not ravenous (light but normal spag bol supper last night, milk for breakfast, 2 eggs on toast lunch, gallons of tea in last 24 hours)
I could never quit carbs because I adore fresh bread and pasta
BUT I suspect what will happen is that the calorie restriction will reset your insulin levels so that the 'too much' switch kicks in sooner.
I do not have a sweet tooth but my children do - I can see the different settings of the switch in action.
My weakeness is (always was, always will be) cheese.
And booze!
But again the insulin / sugar / IGF1 switch is the key : finding a level for that is the Holy Grail of weight and health management

BIWI Fri 07-Sep-12 19:16:43

... which is the bit I'm having trouble having faith in grin

Aboutlastnight Fri 07-Sep-12 19:23:25

I have been doing 5:2 for a month now and have lost 9 pounds. Was about 10st 9 lbs am now 10st. Weight seems to have gone primarily from my middle. Am finding I have less if an appetite in general although I don't count calories on non fast days.

Fasting def gets easier as you discover what works for you: for me it's porridge in the morning and omelette with lots of veg or lentil dhal withloadsa veg in the evenings. I get hungry at 4pm but just take lots of herbal tea and/ or miso.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 19:26:44

Tee hee.
Thing is we were evolved to get most of our calories from carbs
Hunter Gatherers
the men came home with a meat fest once a week
but the women dug up roots and picked fruit and seeds and soft stems day in day out
so our bodies evolved to lay down stores from ANYTHING over base load
Then came modern agriculture.
Without fat our brains do not properly develop and look after themselves leading to congenital and mental health problems
Without protein we keel over PDQ due to muscle wasting
Without sugars we are OK but miserable
Without other carbs we are skinny so fit with current fashion but are actually knackering up long term blood chemistry.
We are also evolved to NOT have self control when a feast comes our way.

I see so many ladies at my gym who low carb and are stick thin but because they do not eat with their kids, the kids are little lard buckets. NOT a good idea IMHO.
This system (I'll not call it a diet) allows us to sit down together of an evening and on fast days DH and I have our main course without sauce or chips but otherwise we are all eating the same.

Staying thin with food prices so low is HARD.

2012fan Fri 07-Sep-12 19:27:18

GreenEggs Thanks for the new thread for the 5:2 (not low carb or low cal) diet which I've been following for 3 weeks having lost 5lbs so far. Also thanks for the links smile

Aboutlastnight Fri 07-Sep-12 19:28:19

As for the feed days - you find your apostate regulates itself. You crave less. You eat less.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Fri 07-Sep-12 19:29:23

Can I join please? Just come to the end of breastfeeding my (intended) final DC, will be 30 next May so giving myself til then overhaul my lifestyle and get into good habits for health/fitness. Signed up to do a 545mile charity bike ride in June (though finding fitting in training a bit tough at the moment)...have probably 1/2 - 1 stone of post baby weight to lose still but mainly want to set up good habits for the rest of my life.

This sounds like a good way to go because I can't give up wine!! And DH works late 2-3 nights a week so much easier to fast if I'm not sitting down to a big dinner with him late at night.

So, planning on starting on Monday. Question though, is it better to not exercise on fast days? Assume you have less energy but best days to fast AND exercise are when DC1 is at pre-school as I try to eat with him when he's at home. Although I suppose I can still eat, just only a little.

Will keep lurking til I join properly on Monday - and will look up some good dieas for food on fast days, brilliant links greeneggs

teaandthorazine Fri 07-Sep-12 19:41:01

TalkinPeace - where do you get the idea that we evolved to 'get most of our calories from carbs'? It's my understanding that the opposite is true...

Fruit, leaves and seeds are not very carby, from an evolutionary POV. Fruit is very very sweet these days (which is why many low-carbers avoid most fruits except berries) but it's intentionally bred that way. Plus it would've been seasonal and would'nt have featured in the diet for months on end.

Meat, fish, eggs - not many carbs in them...

What long-term blood chemistry is 'knackered' by avoiding carbohydrate? Maintaining normal, stable blood glucose is very beneficial. The brain, if 'deprived' of carbohydrate, works very well by a process of gluconeogenesis.

I eat with my child every day. He eats what I eat. Sometimes he has carbs with it, sometimes he doesn't. There are a lot of assumptions throughout your post.

catsrus Fri 07-Sep-12 19:41:29

my experience is also that I am a lot less hungry on non-fast days.

I don't do any 16 hr fast thing apart from those days when I'm in the office and just have tea (with milk) and coffee all day until I come home for a meal. On days I'm at home that are fast days I tend to eat during the day - but make sure I have a big pot of veggie soup on the go.

I am really just being very relaxed about this, i know enough about calories to know that if I only eat veggies and maybe a couple of hard boiled eggs I will be under 500 on fast days. On non-fast days I have had lots of takeaways, meals out and alcohol - but not every non-fast day, honest grin.

For me the biggest thing is that I can really see this as a way to maintain a healthy weight for life. In the past there was always the worry of how to keep it stable when I "came off the diet" as it always crept up again, particularly when I was under pressure. If that happens this time I will just throw in a few more fast days for a week but won't have to "go on a diet" because this doesn't feel like "being on a diet" to me.

MamaGeekChic Fri 07-Sep-12 19:41:50

I had my second fast day yesterday (posted on other thread after it closed), I'm finding it much easier than I expected. Hope I'm not speaking too soon! I had a glass of skimmed milk and an espresso during the day (plus lots of water) then a small portion of pasta, about a third of what everyone else had and a slice of garlic bread at 7pm ish. I felt a bit weak around 5pm but generally ok and not as headachey as my first fast.

Today I felt good, much more in control of my eating than i have been, none of the guilt or worrying about having things i shouldn't be or falling off my diet. I'm really pleased. I've had a bowl of cereal, a baked potato with chilli and a small tub of icecream. Have just ordered whilst drinking a gin an indian and have made quite good choices but don't feel like I'm missing out.

Really hoping this works for me because I reckon I can stick to it.

Mintyy Fri 07-Sep-12 19:49:25

What makes this way of eating so do-able to me is:

1. You only feel deprived for 16 hours maximum. Even I can defer my pleasures for that long grin.

2. And, anyway, you do get to eat on fast days. I had Pret A Manger mushroom soup for lunch on one of my fast days this week and it was honestly really nice. But I would never, ever, have chosen that before, it would always have been a sandwich or a wrap or something. So it forces you to try new things, even if only for one day. Now I might well choose the mushroom soup on a non-fast day because I know how much I enjoyed it.

3. It is dead simple, with no requirement to count calories or carbs or fat units or anything at all, if you don't want to, most of the time.

Mintyy Fri 07-Sep-12 19:59:15

As I read Talkinpeace's post I think she means we (as a race) went on to get most of our calories from carbs (due to agriculture etc), not that we actually physiologically evolved to process them efficiently unless we are proper athletes.

The problem I have with low carbing - if I can just say this - is that I know many many slim people who do not have to worry about or artificially restrict their carbohydrate intake. So if they don't have to, why do some of us have to?

Aboutlastnight Fri 07-Sep-12 20:25:42

Apostate???? Appetite damn iPhone!

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 20:28:40

Mintyy
I know many many slim people who do not have to worry about or artificially restrict their carbohydrate intake
Hmmm
Have you actually watched them eat day in day out or fed their cats (and snooped through their kitchen cupboards) ?
Only ONE of the thin people I know (and there are lots through the gym) genuinely eats whatever - but she is 19 and has had two collapsed lungs.
The others have so trained themselves to eat LESS that know no other way.

ALSO
My point about the carb / protein balance is based on articles in New Scientist etc about Papuans, Polynesians and the Kung - who most definitely get well over half their calories from carbs ...

BIWI Fri 07-Sep-12 20:30:34

Because we are all different in terms of our insulin sensitivity. This is the thinking behind Atkins; once you've done Induction (the strictest phase, where you are only allowed 20g carbohydrate per day), you move onto a phase where you gradually increase your carbs, till you reach a point where weight loss stops/you gain weight.

His approach recognised, very early on, that some people are more/less insulin sensitive than others.

As for why this should be, I have no clue. All that I know is that I'm married to a man who can eat whatever he wants - and who eats a lot of carbs - and who never puts weight on. Which is infuriating.

Sputnik Fri 07-Sep-12 20:32:03

I've always wondered that too Minty. I think part of the answer is just lifestyle, I do exercise but otherwise I am behind a computer or otherwise pretty sedentary for work, I live in a place where I have to drive to go to the shops and take the kids to school, I actually stop the car on the way home and go for a walk otherwise I wouldn't get to walk anywhere day to day. I think someone who has a more active job and or gets to walk more needs more of those quick burning carbs, I really don't so much so I'm better off limiting them.

BIWI about the plate of pasta and vat of wine business, I got close to that on Wednesday, we were at dinner at SIL's house and I will admit to scarfing down 2 plates of pasta, then dessert in abundance. I will think twice about doing that again as I felt terrible the next day, but anyway from a weightloss point of view it didn't stop me from losing nearly a kg this week.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 20:32:04

Biwi
Does he fidget?

reddwarf Fri 07-Sep-12 20:33:33

Hi everyone, I'd like to join, well, stick my nose in every now and then. You all talk way too much for me to have any hope of keeping up.

I was dx with coeliac recently, so in effect on an enforced low carb diet anyway, but despite a month of not eating any bread, pasta, cake, biscuits, pizza or beer I have badly lost a gram hmm. I was also dx with nderactive thyroid, which i'm blaming on my steady weight gain. But despite my diet change, and thyroid being treated, I'm still not loosing weight.

I really want to both loose weight and try to do something positive about my health, so this really appeals to me. I've done my first fast yesterday, and it was a doodle. TBH food feels like my enemy now, so not eating is easy.

I also feel having low carbs and lots of protein really fills me up, so a bowl of yoghurt keeps me going no problem

Thank you green eggs for your links. I've read quite a lot and watched to programme and find it fascinating.

It is important though to make sure the food we do it though is high quality and highly nutritious to make up for the reduction. (I'll come clean about that crunchie,)

BIWI Fri 07-Sep-12 20:33:51

Not especially - but he does always walk up/down the escalator when getting on the tube, and walks around the bedroom (another thing that infuriates me grin) when he's brushing his teeth

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 20:39:19

reddwarf - I'll duck after posting this BUT what you need is a dose of hookworms ! Genuinely : New Scientist regularly reports on methods to reset the digestive and immune systems esp for coeliac - might be worth asking your GP

BIWI - your little toad of a DH by doing that is burning off up to an extra 1000 calories a day : New Scientist (again) picked up on fidget / cannot sit still / perma bored people a few years back ... THAT is why he does not put on weight

reddwarf Fri 07-Sep-12 20:42:29

hookworms???

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 20:48:28

reddwarf
Please do not read while eating !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthic_therapy
the research is rock solid and only held back by the yeuch factor.

reddwarf Fri 07-Sep-12 20:54:35

I#m game for anything, me smile Not clear if you remain infected forever, or just have em in for a bit? My doc would think I am bonkers for suggesting it.

I'll have a word with dh, bet he'll love the idea grin

poachedeggs Fri 07-Sep-12 20:57:48

Checking in, thanks GreenEggs.

My first two fast days (Monday and Wednesday) went so well I thought I'd have a bash at another today. I was fine until lunchtime (I did OK - ate homemade soup with bread) but because I didn't have time to suss the calories out first I had to guestimate. I worked it out later and it came in at almost exactly 500 calories and the thought of nothing all evening was dire. I got hungry when feeding the DC so I had a bit of theirs then decided "sod it this isn't going to be a fast day any more!" and had some more bread and cheese and then icecream blush.

None of the above is a problem - I can fast another day, it was a bonus anyway as I'm sort of planning to do 5:2. BUT it demonstrated to me with great clarity how little it takes to make me waver and quit. If I'd just said to myself "Never mind, make it a 550 calorie day and have a carrot and a hot chocolate for supper" it would have been fine!

I need to lose weight but for me I need to stick to it as a healthy way of eating and no more. And I'd like to say for the record I agree very much with your take on things as mentioned in your final posts on the old thread, GreenEggs in that this is primarily about health and weight loss is a great part of that. I realise some people have a LC agenda but I think there's room for all of us here, whatever our motivations, provided nobody preaches smile

Many thanks again for your efforts smile

dontcallmehon Fri 07-Sep-12 21:00:07

After reading one of the links GreenEggs posted, I am wondering if ADF is going to work for me long term. I hope so - as I love this way of eating. Long term fertility is not an issue, as I don't want any more dc.

However, after losing just over ten pounds, I now have a BMI of 22 and the weight loss has slowed down a fair bit now. I want to lose another stone (BMI 19) if possible, but I'm wondering if ADF will affect my metabolism negatively, especially as I am not overweight.

I am going to keep at it though - hopefully weight loss will continue.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 21:08:37

dontcallme
various yoga friends (average BMI 21) are doing ADF and 5:2 for the anti alzheimers etc
500 + 2200 on other days is their normal - all that has changed is the 500 up on feed days with the leeway to pig out when family commitments need

dontcallmehon Fri 07-Sep-12 21:12:13

Thanks talkinpeace - that is good to know. I exercise a fair bit, too - so that should help with weight loss. This is the first 'diet' I've been able to stick to!

BuntCadger Fri 07-Sep-12 21:17:42

grin another 2lb gone. Week 4 and 9lb lost. I fitted comfortably into my jeans from before I had dc2 (I have 3 now), and that was over 5 years ago.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 07-Sep-12 21:20:03

Bunt
WELL DONE on the jeans. weight is one thing but feeling good in clothes is THE BEST

reddwarf Fri 07-Sep-12 22:17:09

Wel done on the jeans. I tried mine. i thought they would be tight, but i couldn't even get past mid thigh on 1 leg.shock

BuntCadger Fri 07-Sep-12 23:11:28

reddwarf you will get there. Dh didn't lose at all this week but he looks slimmer. Felt bad for him but he's alright

Movingforward123 Fri 07-Sep-12 23:45:37

Hi everyone,

I have heard loads about this recently, I desperately need to loose weight sad

I am 10.2 stone right now and need to loose one stone. I'm only 5.2 so look bigger then ever right now!

How quickly have others lost weight on this diet?

And what do you eat on fast days? I can imagine I would be staving but as its only 2 days per week it might be manageable!! confused

reddwarf Sat 08-Sep-12 07:09:05

Movingforward - I am also 5'2". Don't know in stones but I am 66 kilos (65,7 this morning smile) and need to loose I reckon about 8 kilos or even 10 kilos. I would love to be 56, but it seems so far away, is it even an achievable goal?

reddwarf Sat 08-Sep-12 07:11:44

Just done a conversion, and you are a bit less than me, about 64 kilos, and want to get to about 58, so we're roughly in the same position. Will be interesting to see how we get on.

beamme Sat 08-Sep-12 08:30:37

Can I join you please? I tried this ADF at the beginning of the summer holidays but fell off the wagon with days out and holidays. But I'm ready to get back into again.
Had my first fast day yesterday and found it easier this time around. Really enjoy Skinny Soups, very quick and convenient for work.
Just wondering how often everyone weighs themselves?

BIWI Sat 08-Sep-12 08:43:47

I think I'm going to give the 16 hour thing a go - essentially its just missing breakfast, which I think I can manage, and on those days I will drink peppermint tea or water instead of coffee with milk. Next week is a good week to start as I'm working at home for most of it.

LouiseDavies Sat 08-Sep-12 08:56:03

Thanks Chaz for taking the time to respond to my query. it's all a matter of trial and error I guess. As I'm in it primarily for the health benefits I want to follow it to the letter as much as I can. Pity there's no easy way of finding out if we get the beneficial changes apart from any weight loss confused

However like many others I really do feel it is a lifestyle change that is achievable.

vigglewiggle Sat 08-Sep-12 09:02:38

I had my second fast day yesterday and thanks to the advice on here it was far easier than the first. I started with two boiled eggs, veggies for lunch and fish and veggies for tea. I drank loads of water and a bit of green tea and even a coffee!

Weighed myself this morning and I've lost a kilo in less than a week. grin

I'm using 'my fitness pal' app just to calculate calories and track my weight which is quite handy.

sassytheFIRST Sat 08-Sep-12 09:24:31

Week two over; 5lbs down. Yay.

I'm not being enormously strict on official fast days; reckon I'm hitting nearer 700cal than 500. But my appetite generally is much reduced, so that yesterday (a normal day) I ate a banana, an apple, a biscuit and half a piece of toast until about 4pm, then a couple of cream crackers and a good chunk of cheese. Had steak, chips, onion rings and salad for tea though, plus wine and a little bit of trifle.

The best thing about this WOE (and what makes it sustainable for me,I hope) is that I don't feel at all deprived or as if I'm missing out.

Marking my spot. Thanks for the new thread and fantastically informative op, green thanks

chocolatespiders Sat 08-Sep-12 09:42:38

Marking my place.. because I love reading this thread. I am doing Weight Watchers and thinking of incorporating fasting days into the plan.

welshmill Sat 08-Sep-12 09:57:34

Also marking my spot. I've been using myfitnesspal to track my calories as much out of curiosity as anything as it's been a few years since I calorie counted. Interesting to see how much I do eat on an ordinary day. Looks like it's around to 1500-1700 mark so I've decided to try and average 1400-1500 which curbs my overeating (extra biscuits and chocolate, the odd cream cracker with lashings of butter) but doesn't leave me feeling deprived as diets in the past have done. I skip breakfast on a fast day - I have a home made 'skinny latte' first thing instead to wake me up! A boiled egg or half a tin of soup around noon and then the rest of my calories around 5.30 in the evening - fish with steamed veggies or similar....a couple of cups of tea with skimmed milk & and lots of water during the day, then nothing until breakfast the next morning (around 8am). After 4 weeks I haven't lost oodles of weight but I reckon it's taken me years to get here (I was 10st 5lb 4 weeks ago and I'm now 10st 2lb) so it will probably take me some time to get rid of, especially as most of my fat is around my middle. But to be honest, I'm feeling healthier and that's great. I take the dog out for a 30-50min walk most days and always make sure I do on a fast day. It's the only exercise I do so I want to keep it up.

reddwarf Sat 08-Sep-12 10:01:52

OK; I have a question, I am statrting to wonder if I have got the wrong end of the stick or am understanding or doing it wrong? I thought the aim was for 2 days a week, (if 5:2, or every other day if ADF, to eat nothing at all during the 24 hour period apart from 1 small meal of up to 500 cal for women? The point being that having several hours of not eating anything at all causes the body to shift gears into repair mode. And a constant stream of snacks deaf eats the object. I've read a few posters saying the had this for breakfast, this for lunch that for dinner on "fast" days. Isn't this just LC eating rather than fasting, or do I just not get it? Am confused confused

LouiseDavies Sat 08-Sep-12 10:31:48

Hi "red" that's what was confusing me too!That's why I wanted to know if a little milk would break the 'fast' period As Moseley had two meals I guess that would be ok but your insulin will rise up and down if you 'snack' confused

Skinnyeye Sat 08-Sep-12 10:59:57

Hi all thanks for setting up new thread Green - the 3rd we sure have a lot to say about this subject smile Fasting over for this week and have lost 3.5 pounds in my first week. Fasting on Mondays and Thursdays as I feel I need 2 days between fast as I find I have little appetite on the day after a fast. Heading out for a bike ride bbl

GreenEggsAndNichts Sat 08-Sep-12 11:39:26

Thanks for the kind words everyone. smile

red This is a contentious issue for some, but I'll go ahead and throw my opinion out there, based on what I've read in the articles. I believe that you will still lose weight if you spread your snacks through the day, as long as you stay under 500 calories. The study groups which were weight loss-orientated seem to only have had the restriction based on calories consumed over the day (500 on average for a woman).

However. Other related research into fasting has shown that extended periods of fasting (16 hours or so) in mice left them burning fat more efficiently. Here is another article from the same time period.

I'll be honest, I think you might need to experiment for yourself to see what works for you. I am having success with leaving my eating on a fast day until the evening, thus having a fasting period on both sides of the meal.

However, I do still have a bit of milk in my coffee in the morning, Louise! I wish I could answer the great milk debate, but I can't. smile

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Sat 08-Sep-12 11:39:31

reddwarf I think the aim is to at least eat nothing from the night of a feed day until lunch on a fast day (and even better if you wait til evening) as, yes the idea is to trick the body into starvation mode and therefore repair mode. I can't wait til evening so I have about half the 500 at lunch and half in the evening, but nothing in the morning. I think if you had, for example 5 snacks of 100 cals from breakfast on you wouldn't be getting quite as many health benefits as the insulin levels for instance don't drop. That's my understanding anyway.
It's a feed day for me but I'm not hungry at all, in fact I feel a bit queasy. I feel less queasy on the fast days when I don't eat at all til lunch.
Anyone else had this? DH says it's all the digestive juices with nothing to digest after a fast day?

Ok, another thing for you all to ponder and offer opinion on:

I do ZERO exercise. Seriously. I used to walk everywhere but circumstance has meant that for the last three years or so I am mostly sat on my behind. Well, I get up and down from the sofa multiple times a day after DS2, run the hoover around, taht kind of thing but I'd be kidding myself if I thought my lifestyle at present was anything more than sedentary.

Despite this, my usual resting heart rate is about 77. I have pretty low blood pressure (100/60 ish usually).

I thought, for the sake of interest, I'd check my blood pressure and pulse yesterday, a fast day. Bp slightly up at 120/70 (although still 'normal') but it was my pulse that shocked me: 60!

Ate last night about 9, but nothing yet today. Just did it again and it's 98/69 pulse 71.

Thoughts? I realise it's quite a small sample of results to be analysing grin

catsrus Sat 08-Sep-12 14:13:58

hi red the science around this is very new - as greeneggs says we don't really know, some studies say proper fasting, other studies just low cal. My experience is that some fast days (when I'm busy) I don't eat solid food until lunch time or later in the evening - I do have milk in my tea during the day though, other fast days I might nibble more - I had a pear earlier on and now having a large bowl of veggie soup. I find days at home I have to eat throughout the day, when I'm out it's easier not to.

all I do know is that I have lost 8lb in 4 weeks and I'm gringringrin. My friend who started just after me has texted to say she's just zipped up some size 18 trousers for the first time in 5 yrs so is also gringringrin.

As I'm trying to find a WOE that works long term I am not weighing food or strictly counting calories, particularly on non-fast days. I am eating mainly vegetables on fast days - that makes it hard to go above 500. If I really am starving I will have a hard boiled egg which seems to take the edge off smile.

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Sat 08-Sep-12 14:32:49

WOE?

BIWI Sat 08-Sep-12 14:35:49

Way of Eating

granndi Sat 08-Sep-12 15:43:43

is anyone else getting headaches ? on my 3 rd fast day in 8 days

reddwarf Sat 08-Sep-12 15:48:47

THats fine. I mean if someone wants to loose weight and archives that it's a real achievement in itself. And of they also find "WOE" ( hark at me getting down with the new lingo smile!) that's also brilliant and a potentially life changing step forward. But if you want to do fasting, and the (albeit new and 'infant stage' findings show it should be only 1 meal in order to reach this repair phase it's also important to bear that in mind. If the motivation is the potential health benefits from fasting rather than weight loss, then grazing, albeit on v healthy things doesn't seem to fit in with the finding that I read in green eggs' v useful links.

Am v impressed with all these stories. One of the links did say that a small bit of milk regularly through the day ie in tea or coffee does not break the fast and indeed is probably beneficial.

I also read somewhere else that drinking lots of water is not too good an idea as it flushes lots of minerals out of the body. The urine should ideally be a pale yellow colour, totally clear is too dilute ie flushing out minerals. I have tended to do this, and am trying to listen to mya thirst& keep an eye on my wee rather than trying to fill up on gallons of water.

Movingforward123 Sat 08-Sep-12 16:28:07

reddwarf I am 65 kg and need to loose weight ASAP grin so yea we have similar goals have you stares yet?

reddwarf Sat 08-Sep-12 16:50:43

I've only done 1 proper fast day so far. Planning to do wednesday and Friday, but considering doing Monday Wednesday and Friday next week as I am super desperate to make headway on this. Bored of feeling too fat, of being too fat. But also mega concerned about health too. Luckily Due to enforced gluten rfee seem to have reduced appetite so not hugely difficult.

Which days are you doing? Wanna compare? I seem to loose weight v slowly unless I go v lc

Dare I ask yr age? Do you have a youthful glow and advantage? hmm

Herrena Sat 08-Sep-12 16:58:24

granndi I got a mega headache on my first day - I put it down to having a tiny breakfast as I then got hungry well before lunchtime. On the second day I had a larger breakfast/lunch and skipped dinner. Felt a bit light-headed but no headache!

I think you've got to go with what your body wants (whilst not giving into the 'CAKE' demand, obv wink) - mine clearly prefers its calories early in the day. I'm having a cupppa soup for dinner, because it's only 80 cal. Makes me feel less like I've abandoned DH to his lonely meal - mealtimes are social occasions in this house!

scattergun Sat 08-Sep-12 17:00:49

Hi, All. I've been following this since the beginning and doing my own version since the day after the TV programme. My reading of the research (and other people's theories) was that a period of fasting was the key and 24 hours was adequate. This I have taken literally and so 3 days a week I've been eating nothing from dinner one day (about 6/7pm) until dinner the next day, i.e. I eat at least a good-sized dinner every day. I have nothing but coffee, tea and water in the intervening period.

I have found this staggeringly easy, eat normally at all meals around the non-eating times and the weight seems to be falling off. I shall hit target weight in a few weeks and may then have to reduce the days to 2 and see if that maintains it. I agree with those who say find what works for you. This way suits me and means I can go out for dinner a lot with no ill-effect.

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Sat 08-Sep-12 19:27:33

Do you do the days consecutively, scattergun? How many calories do you eat on those days? How much weight have you lost in how long?
<nosy>

scattergun Sat 08-Sep-12 19:43:25

I have no idea about calories. I just have nothing but hot drinks and water for 24 hours. The rest of the time I eat and drink normally. I've done 4 weeks of this and the days are sometimes 2 together and 1 elsewhere or with normal days between, but it all depends on what's happening each day. I was staying with friends for a few days of this and skipped breakfast but had to do lunch and dinner as normal and then had a week on holiday where I did the same (so effectively did a 17 hour fast on all those days away) and still lost a lb each time.

Overall I think I'm 9 lbs down.

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Sat 08-Sep-12 20:09:42

Interesting. <strokes chin> Not sure I could do til evening with nothing. I've done 4:3 so far and have had nothing from evening of feed day til lunch of fast day and then split 500 kcals into lunch and dinner. I lost 5lbs the first week.

scattergun Sat 08-Sep-12 20:28:52

I think this works for me because, even when losing weight by eating less has worked for a while, I find myself gradually returning to snacking and not monitoring and old habits return. I'm worried if I go for 500 calories, it'll actually make it harder for me to stick to it. The absolute and resolute system seems astonishingly easy and, if as I suspect, doing it once or twice a week will be sufficient quite soon, I can see it becoming a simple long-term solution. Hoping so, anyway.

Well done on your 5 lbs. Having a bit more space in clothes, as others have commented, is such a pleasure.

WilfSell Sat 08-Sep-12 22:32:21

Marking place.

I see there has been a bit of a very polite barney while I've been away. grin

I think lots of people are suspicious of different WoE - low carb strikes a lot of people as nuts/unnatural/dangerous etc. Others find obsessing about calories a bit, er, anorexic. Others find eating whatever you feel like it in between fast days - like Harcombe - a bit, er, bulimic. 'Naturally' thin people just laugh incredulously at us all and go 'wtf? just eat a bit less, lard arse...'

Glad to see we've gone for an ecumenical compromise. I have a lot of time for the still-emergent science of low carb - it works, it has many strengths and whether or not everyone likes it as a WoE, for many especially those who find it hard to lose weight in other ways (menopausal women come to mind here) it works well Those who are doubting it should have a read of Gary Taubes' book, as it will put the case very effectively about why low carb has been systematically discredited by the press, the food industry and by 'nutritionists'.

Dr Varady, who featured in the programme, was VERY clear - that during ADF, you COULD, in fact, eat what you liked. Her point was that their evidence found that people's appetite self-regulated. I and many other people who have tried ADF/5:2 fasting can confirm that this is the case. I can still sometimes be found head down in the Haribo. But equally, I also find myself thinking 'nah, don't really need that' or 'oooh, I'll have some salad instead'. Whatever the other benefits, the opportunity to explore my own appetite in an obsrvational way is really helpful - experiencing hunger for almost the first time and finding out I don't die of it immediately is very liberating.

And my self-control is IMPROVED not worsened by knowing there is always tomorrow. As we've all said, anyone can do something for 16 or 24 hours.

So I don't think we should get our knickers in a twist by worrying if some people want to count calories - chances are the are right, and the bottom line of all of this is calorie restriction - even the ADF/5:2 scientists don't know yet if this is what causes the improvements in other bits of health. Nor should we ban those who want to come here to suggestions of how to try low carbing. Sure the protein issue is at stake but if you're low carbing correctly, you eat a lot of fat. So it seems a very good question to ask what the interaction is between these WoE. If I was one of those scientists, this would be my next study in fact...

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sun 09-Sep-12 04:23:28

Right, was going to start on Monday but have decided tomorrow is the day (by which I mean Sunday, I've got a bit of a time difference going on!) as I did a 25mile bike ride today and will be hitting the swimming pool Monday. DH is hesitantly up for doing it too.

No idea what to eat tomorrow, have never calorie counted but sure I can download an app or something. Will get some miso soup in and defrost a tuna steak. Going to try to do 1st 16 hours, which will take me to midday before I can eat.

Wish me luck!

dexterblu Sun 09-Sep-12 08:09:26

I've been reading most of your posts (there are a lot) grin and would like to share my experience. I started ADF last Sunday having read about it, I decided I would do 3 & half days fasting as this would fit in with my lifestyle better and I've got 3 stone to lose. The first fast was hard I went to 800 cals but my second and third fast (tuesday&thursday) were relatively easy and I too found that I could control my eating on feed days.

I was going to have 2 feed days fri& sat but decided I would fast from 9pm fri to 1pm sat this worked out ok for me and I didn't eat anything. I had been spreading out my 500 cals but I think I agree that tryin g one or two small meals will be the most effective for me.
So for the first week I have lost 5lbs which is just fantastic I'm so happy that I have found something I can see me doing in the long term as a way of life.
Sorry for the long post!!

HorryWinwood Sun 09-Sep-12 08:35:33

I am just completing my first week doing 4:3 and have lost 7cm off my waist! On my feed days i have not watched what I have eaten at all and I feel great.

HappyOrchid Sun 09-Sep-12 08:49:04

Hello, found you.

Week 5, and yesterday turned into an inadvertant fast day. I was going to do Tues / Thurs / Sun this week, but by 1pm yesterday I hadn't eaten anything and it seemed daft not to take advantage of that.

So I will go back to my plan of tues / Thurs / Sat for coming week. I will eat today and tomorrow I fly to Italy for work at silly o'clock and will have a meal out with my colleagues. So Tuesday will be my fast day, I should get home about 7pm Tuesday night.

Weighed in today rather than tomorrow and another ½lb down for the week.
So just about 5lb down in 5 weeks. Not bad and feeling well too, which is the main thing.

Have been feeling very full quickly on eating days and a couple of times if I have eaten late I've felt quite uncomfortable / sick in the night. It's really making me think about not snacking on eating days too.

Good luck to all.

3duracellbunnies Sun 09-Sep-12 08:58:20

I've found that too, on my eating day on fri we had some mr kipling apple + blackberry pies. I had one, and saw the packet a bit later with only one lonely one left. Usually I would have eaten it to tidy away, but saw how many calories it was and left it. Clothes feeling a bit looser and only had one fast day! Certainly not doubling up on calories on feed day, but feels nice to eat what I want. Second fast day tomorrow.

cupcakeandtea Sun 09-Sep-12 09:50:49

I've been doing this diet for the past 4 weeks and although I initially lose weight on my fast days, it seems to go back on on the feed days, which is making me wonder if I'm overeating on my feed days. I often have a large glass of wine in the evening, which I'm guessing is probably adding 300 calories per day so I think I may have to knock it on the head.

it's very discouraging as I would've thought I'd have lost more by now. I really need to lose half a stone of the last of my baby weight.

Aboutlastnight Sun 09-Sep-12 10:32:53

I think there is a danger that weight goes back on on feed days - although I have had a broad downward trajectory, I have put on three pounds in two days - it's wine and peanut butter on toast.

Do I'm goi g to be more conscious of what I consume on feed days, more veg, loads of veg and no more peanut butter toast ( sob)

welshmill Sun 09-Sep-12 10:41:57

I also find I put weight on during feed days...but it almost seems like two steps forward one back and that the trend is steadily downwards. I've been using myfitnesspal.com to keep an eye on calorie intake just to see how much I eat on feed days - it was around the 1600 - 1800 mark (bear in mind I'm only 4ft 11 and used to eat like a sparrow when I was in my 20's!) so I'm trying to keep it a little lower - which means biscuits with ONE of my teas/coffees during the day and not ALL of them...and no snacking on cream crackers and butter blush

bunjies Sun 09-Sep-12 11:31:39

Marking my place. Now off to read rest of thread. Thanks greeneggs for the links.

cupcake Have you only been doing 5:2? And how have you actually coped with it? Is it difficult or become fairly easy? If you don't struggle with the fast too much, you could consider adding another fast into the week (so you're a little more than 5:2 but not quite ADF) - this will probably get those final few pounds moving... but more's the point, if you don't struggle with fasts then the considerable health benefits are something to reap, surely?

Also, how do you split your calories on a fast day? Your body might respond better to the one or two meals in a small window on your fast day than spreading out if that's your method? Less insulin released that way.

I'm not saying don't stop if as a lifestyle you find it hard to sustain... just if you want to lose a few pounds then consider tweaking?

katykuns Sun 09-Sep-12 12:07:34

I shall join you guys, after being invited off my thread in AIBU, as I want to give this a go. Watched the Horizon documentary (available on iPlayer) last night... and it knocked a lot of my scepticism away.

My first starve day will be tomorrow, mainly because my supermarket shop comes tomorrow hehe.

Can I ask.. is there anyone here that has been doing it over 2 months? How much have you lost in total?
I have only heard of success from people that started it recently, and my worry is that the body will adapt and start absorbing more calories... or something... I am no nutritionist grin

cupcakeandtea Sun 09-Sep-12 12:09:49

I usually wAit until 12 and have a small bowl of soup and then a meal in the evening.

I am coping with two alternate days but I think three might be too much but I could give it a go this week and see I suppose.

PigeonPie Sun 09-Sep-12 12:52:03

Welshmill - I think we're about the same height. I'm doing this primarily for health reasons but losing a bit round my tummy will be a bonus!

Main negative now is that the extremely expensive jeans I bought a few months ago are now too loose and I'm going to have to find a belt! However it's a good problem to have smile

Skinnyeye Sun 09-Sep-12 13:19:15

Found this guy while doing 5:2 research though you might like to have a look. He has been doing it for years and wrote "Eat Stop Eat"

bradpilon.com/weight-loss/the-52-diet-my-review/

Angelico Sun 09-Sep-12 14:28:51

Marking place smile I am pregnant at the minute (2 weeks to go) and hope to breast feed so my 'fast days' might involve more than 500 calories or just one fast day a week initially. Am interested in this because my mum's German friend has been doing this for years - one day a week she eats only fruit. She is in great health and shape, in her 60's but very youthful and fit smile

Laska42 Sun 09-Sep-12 17:28:02

HI again I'm on week 4now and fasting today .. and feeling good.. Gosh only a few days out and loads more posts to read!. Thanks Greeneggs fo rthe new thread

I've now lost 7 lbs and 2inches off my waist ,and am finally BMI 'normal' YAY! grin This is after several years dieting on WW and being 'stuck' gaining and losing the same few pounds for at least the last two years .. I started out as obese so I'm feeling like this is really working where it should be ..(im a typical apple shape)

Just had my dinner (i find its best to have early evening meal on fast days ) Miso veggie chilli chicken soupy thing and had my usual eggs n' ham for breakfast (but i have that every day now!)...

The great thing though is not only am I finding fasting a breeze now , but I have tons more energy ..

This is definitely a lifestyle I can keep to , and when i've lost my final 12lbs (hopefully) -taking me to 10st for my 5'5 frame -ill be keeping it up once a week for life I think ..

Hi all new people who have joined us over the last few days ..

Just adding a link to Dr John Briffa's bog which also has some good stuff on fasting

www.drbriffa.com/

Also really recommend his book 'The diet trap' ..he does advocate low carb though, but there are lots of us here who also think its the way to go, especially on fast days

Laska42 Sun 09-Sep-12 17:33:59

Oh and dr John Briffa also recommends fish oils to help weight loss .. i've been taking one ho high strength cod liver oil capsule a day for the last few weeks its early days yet , but i've maintained a loss over each week i've been doing this , something i've never been able to do so far .

Mintyy Sun 09-Sep-12 17:42:59

I'm fasting tomorrow and actually looking forward to it! How odd is that?

I have no scales atm, so can't track progress (there is no way I am going to weigh myself in public in a shop) that way. My mosted hated roll of fat is the one around my upper middle (just under the boobs) that I didn't acquire until I was 46/47 and peri menopausal. Do you think measuring that would be a good way of gauging weight loss?

SpiralSkies Sun 09-Sep-12 18:12:09

Angelico, I'm certainly no expert but be careful if you're newly pregnant. Admittedly, most of the nutrients baby needs come from you rather than diet but just don't be depleted. Eat good foods on feeds days, if you want to do this. And on fast days, of course.

I suspect you'll come in for criticism for doing this while pregnant. But. I was horrendously ill throughout two pregnancies. Babies take what they need; it's the mother who ends up worse for wear. I reckon it's do-able so long as your cals are good, nutritious cals.

Be flexible; see how you feel. That's how our ancestors would've done it.

Mintyy Sun 09-Sep-12 18:13:09

Spiral - Angelico is nearing the end of her pregnancy.

BIWI Sun 09-Sep-12 18:30:49

Mintyy - if you can find an item of clothes that is too tight, that's the best way to measure it. I have exactly the same problem - one roll of fat above the belly button and one roll below. They have definitely shrunk, and I can now wear reasonably tight-fitting t-shirts/vest tops, but there is still more to go.

Even though the numbers on the scales tell me I've lost weight, my eyes still don't believe it when I look in the mirror, because I've obviously lost weight proportionately - those rolls are clearly going to be the last bits to go!

So putting clothes on that I haven't been able to wear for years has been the best way to get my brain to realise I have lost weight, as well as to measure the extent of the weight loss.

When you find an article of clothing is suddenly too loose it is the most wonderful feeling of them all. grin

Angelico Sun 09-Sep-12 18:44:04

Oh sorry thought I had made it clear but didn't - I have no intention of fasting while pregnant! smile I think it would be stupid and dangerous, especially because I developed gestational diabetes a few weeks ago. I'm managing blood sugar through diet alone but my now high risk of type 2 diabetes in later life has made me interested in diet generally. I've been overweight for years and feel like it's the right time to make some changes, when I have a year off work on maternity leave.

First month or two when baby arrives I'll just be trying to survive tbh and hoping to breast feed and lose some weight that way. After that I am definitely open to trying this way of life, if I can figure out how to make it work. If still breast feeding I would presumably need to eat more calories - maybe 1000 a day on fast days, split into two meals? I think I read before it's not good to release too much stored fat when breast feeding due to toxins tied up in body fat?

3duracellbunnies Sun 09-Sep-12 19:02:27

Ahhh just been invited for picnic tomorrow with friends. Not wanting to tell them about the diet. Need fasting lunch that doesn't look too inadequate. I have some salad and fruit. What can I add to it? Needs to be obtainable at convienience store. Something I can give to ds (2) too but bulk up a bit for him. 150 cal or so. All I can see in fridge is cheese + bacon!

RightBuggerforGOLD Sun 09-Sep-12 19:15:46

Angelico - I bf and I have just been doing the fasting normally. That way the bf is actually helping me to lose weight. You put on fat stores in pregnancy in order to use them up as fuel while bf - so if you're eating extra to cover your bf energy needs, you're not going to be using up the fat stores you laid down in pregnancy for it.

First 2 weeks I lost 4lbs a wk, the following 2 weeks I lost 3lbs a week. This week I did lose 3lb weighing after my last fast day on Friday, but I have put 1lb back on being a bit indulgent this weekend. So 1st 2lb in 5 weeks, still a fab loss, but 2lb a week is a bit disappointing in terms of how long it's going to take for me to lose the rest of the weight, so might try a bit harder next week. I wouldn't mind doing 6:1 or something long-term, but I really don't want to be doing 4:3 for too long, especially being careful on feed days too. I hate diets! I suppose it was a bit optimistic maybe to think the weight loss would remain at the same rate.

SpiralSkies Sun 09-Sep-12 19:27:34

Ah. Well, same things probably apply.

Go with the flow. Don't collapse. Just do what feels best. I didn't/couldn't eat at all during pregnancy but babies were huge. They do get what they need.

Obv eating 400 cals of grot during any stage of life isn't good. Quality not quantity, I s'pose

UglyBettyIsMyHotterSister Sun 09-Sep-12 21:01:15

Hi,

Please can I join, you've all really inspired me.

Going to do my first fast tomorrow but am a little confused. Had my tea tonight about 8ish and know I can have 500cals tomorrow. But at which point do I break my fast? Tomorrow at 8pm or the morning after?

TIA

ChazsGoldAttitude Sun 09-Sep-12 21:01:44

Fast day for me today. I was a bit hungrier than before but I think that was because I was home with the children and getting food for them. It went ok though.

ChazsGoldAttitude Sun 09-Sep-12 21:05:00

UglyBetty

What most of us seem to be doing is eating one or two meals during the fast day that total 500 cals then not eating again until the next morning. So I did
Sat dinner 8.30pm
Sun lunch 1.30pm - 300 cals
Sun supper 8pm -200 cals
I will next eat at breakfast tomorrow which is a normal day.

UglyBettyIsMyHotterSister Sun 09-Sep-12 21:09:05

Thanks Chazs.

Is it ok not to eat at all until teatime tomorrow and have the 500 cals in one go? Obviously I'll drink water (and the odd brew)

rachelblythe Sun 09-Sep-12 21:16:20

Uglybetty- yes that would be absolutely fine. Some people would even say that would even be most optimal, as you are fasting for a really extended period. Gord luck. I have one meal at around 2pm.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sun 09-Sep-12 21:36:25

fast day one - it's 1:30pm so half way through. Was doing fine until I had 100cals of fruit at lunchtime (kids birthday party picnic) and now I'm starving and can't think of anything else!!!

WWYD? eat more cals now or wait til "dinnertime"?

RightBuggerforGOLD Sun 09-Sep-12 21:42:56

Mousey - personally I would have eaten more if hungry and then accepted that was it for the day, but I know a lot of people prefer to eat as late as possible.V

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sun 09-Sep-12 21:48:32

Thanks - might then eat more now to see me through the rest of the day. Then I'll easily be doing the second 16hours til breakfast tomorrow anyway.

Hmmm, have to hunt around for 400cals worth of food!!

Adding to the fasting/pregnancy/breastfeeding conversation, I'm in the final tailing off stage of BF now (DD prob has 1 feed every 24hours ish, sometimes in the middle of the night, sometimes it's when she wakes - depending how the night's gone - sometimes it's more a mid afternoon snack). I def couldn't have done this before, I've spent the last 9months absolutely ravenous all the time, but my appetite has naturally decreased as BF has in the last month

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Sun 09-Sep-12 21:49:53

can I double check, I know there's a bit of a debate around milk in tea and coffee, but having tea and coffee generally, is that breaking the fast or no? Do you count it in your calories? Managed to have my coffee black with no sugar but can't abide no milk in tea!

happyAvocado Sun 09-Sep-12 21:58:58

I am hoping to ease into this diet tomorrow
thanks for sharing all your experiences - I hope to find a happy medium for me smile

rachelblythe Sun 09-Sep-12 22:18:33

Generally people seem to be agreeing that milk in drinks doesn't break the fast, but I definitely count milk within the 500 cals. I usually use around 100 cals milk, then the other 400 food. Today is the end of week four for me. Done 13 fasts so far. Weight fluctuates a bit depending on if I weigh after a feed it fast day, but I would say I have lost about 9lb. Two days of feeds in a row this weekend, looking forward to a fast day tomorrow.

happyAvocado Sun 09-Sep-12 22:26:17

rachelblythe search for rachelblythe in the old thread where she was adding milk to her tea and still lost weight

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/big_slim_whatever_weight_loss_club/1545974-The-new-5-2-diet-thread

mumblechum1 Mon 10-Sep-12 00:37:29

Just went out to Zizzis tonight with DH wbo's also on the fasting diet. Todays a normal day but neither of us could finish our meals (v v unusual) I ate a third of my superfood salad after a starter, but would normally have polished it off and had pudding.

So it definitely seems to be telling our bodies that we're full a lot earlier than usual.

rosemarysage Mon 10-Sep-12 00:47:24

Hi everyone. Fast day for me on Sunday. I ate an oatabix with milk for breakfast (well eaten at 2pm) and than beetroot and scrambled eggs for dinner.

I thought this article was interesting (from a guy that does fasting himself)

Why Does Breakfast Make Some People Hungry?
http://www.leangains.com/

rowingboat Mon 10-Sep-12 00:47:46

Hi all I had to wiggle my fasting around last week, but am back on a Sunday fast again. It seemed to go Pretty well. Next fast will be Weds and will weigh in then. I hope to have lost something?!
Just had a slice of pizza after midnight, so that's definitely the end of that fasting period then! blush

rosemarysage Mon 10-Sep-12 00:48:10

oops working link www.leangains.com/

HorryWinwood Mon 10-Sep-12 06:08:00

This way of eating really does affect your appetite. On Saturday night I was a bit despondent as I thought I had eaten a really big tea, but when I looked at how much was left in the dish I realised I had only eaten half of what I would have normally eaten and not had the 2 pieces of bread I usually had with it. Last night it got to about 8pm and when I realised I hadn't eaten anything for an evening meal. Just not hungry. On previous diets I would spend hours obsessing on what i could eat on treat days but as I can eat normally it just doesn't occur to me now. Fasting day today and it does not bother me in the slightest. DP has been amazed at how well I have done and my attitude towards eating (he has seen me crash and burn on many a faddy diet) so he is going to start eating this way with me from Friday (he has exams this week so thought it might be a bit much to start until these are over).

TellMeLater Mon 10-Sep-12 07:26:14

Thanks for the link rosemary interesting reading. I've always argued that breakft made me hungry and started me overeating but was always shouted down by the must have breakfast bunch who insisted my hunger was my metabolism being kicked into action.

I'm fasting today, I had given up last week but ive got drawn back in....mentally I feel more able for it.

poachedeggs Mon 10-Sep-12 07:33:20

Fasting today. I had a cup of tea (with milk!) an hour ago. Flipping starving now which I don't recall on either of last week's fast days. Off for a nice distracting shower and hopefully it'll pass.

chocolatespiders Mon 10-Sep-12 07:53:53

Morning- Just wondering if anyone uses Slimfast or similar on the Fast days?

Paddington76 Mon 10-Sep-12 07:58:15

Today is my first day on the 5:2 diet after deciding I really need to shift this last stone of baby weight before my DS's second birthday in November. I think yesterday I psychologically cut down on food as I knew this was approaching so the result is I am now starving. Aiming to get to 1pm or later for my first meal so must keep busy!

Thanks for this thread, it's so helpful and good to know there is so much support out there.

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 08:31:51

chocolatespiders I haven't seen anyone here who uses slimfast , but i know that one of the experiments in fasting on Dr Mosley's programme used shakes as fast day food. I've never tried them , but I believe they are quite sweet? and I wonder if that would stimulate your appetite to e want more sweet/carby food? as I say I'm no expert on shakes , . it would seem that youd be getting the right nutrition, bi but I'm not sure if thats so important as you are only fasting for one day at a time .
personally id rather get as much taste and vareety inmy 500cals a as I can.

I usually have eggs and ham for breakfast and a big pile of veggies and a little fish at early dinner then get my 16 hours in .. but there are no real rules except the keeping to 500cal (or 600 for men) that's what's s great about this WOE. So I'd say if you like shakes to try it out one day and see how you feel ont hem.

Well I'm on an eating day today ..Having posted yesterday evening that I was fine fasting, I did have another disturbed nights sleep with tummy rumbles.. but haven't fallen into the fridge this morning. just had Greek yog and strawberries and a cup of tea so far and feeling fine this morning ..

rachelblythe Mon 10-Sep-12 08:59:05

happyAvocado I am a bit confused by your post to me? In my post above yours, I was answering girlwiththemouseyhair question about using milk, where I said I use milk, count it in my calories and have still lost about 9lb. Then in your post to me, you have said that in the old post when you search under my name, it shows I was using milk and still lost weight....which is what I already said...?

rachelblythe Mon 10-Sep-12 09:09:22

First fast day of week five for me. Going to try something slightly different today, which may backfire and leave me hungry. Was at a European food fayre yesterday and there were lots of wonderful food and drink stalls. One which was just a smoothie bar, I didn't have one at the time, but then wish I had. I have got some frozen berries in the freezer that I, haven't tried yet. Going to add them to some low calorie almond milk, a portion of strawberry protein shake powder (120cals!) And maybe a drop of vanilla essence. Will try and hold out until about 4pm for this if I can. Might have a portion of raw veggies to nibble on with it. Looking forward to the shake but I usually have something a bit larger in portion size that fills my belly, so will just see how it goes. I know I won't cave in and eat over my calories, just may not try this route again if it leaves me hungry.

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 09:19:04

Mmm feed days. ...
I'm on 2nd breakfast!!!
First was strawberries and a little Greek yoghurt , now I'm eating mushroom feta and tomato omelette..YUM!

Mind you, that will probably keep me going until dinner . when I'm planning on making a turkey and veg curry with cauliflower 'rice' ..

Since reading John Briffa I'm tending to do Low carb most days now .. save my carbs for my 'wine weekends'! (that's every weekend!)grin

RightBuggerforGOLD Mon 10-Sep-12 09:24:54

chocolatespiders - I have slimfast for breakfast a lot on fast days. I find it keeps me going, is filling and is good for being sure of calories (i'll often then have a weigtwatchers ready meal as well, then i know exactly how many cals i have had).

Fast day today, but just had tea so far. :-)*

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 09:26:02

rachelblythe
I havnet tried almond milk but sounds nice..Where did you get it? Is it unsweetened ? i
If you have time, please could you postthe calories fats proteins sugars carb if they are on the site of the container?
thanks thanks

rachelblythe Mon 10-Sep-12 10:11:44

Hi laska, I just got this from tesco. It's on the top shelf in a cardboard carton near the soya milk. I think most supermarkets should sell it. Nutritional info per 100ml:
Kcal: 24
Protein: 0.5g
Carbs: 3g
Fats: 1.1g
Of which saturate: 0.1g
Fibre: 0.2g

It is a nice drink on it's own, or with cereals, etc. I don't particularly enjoy it in tea or coffee though., if you like almonds though then you will probably enjoy smile

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 10:18:42

Great ! thanks Rachel , ill get some next time I'm shopping .. Hopefully they will have in Sainsburys .. I don't have a Tesco nearby ..

Sputnik Mon 10-Sep-12 10:25:24

Another fast day for me today, this is my first fast day on my own without the kids, and I'm wondering about skipping lunch too and eating something around 4.30, will see how I feel later.

LouiseDavies Mon 10-Sep-12 10:51:17

I'm starving too poached and it's the first time. Felt quite queasy for a bit and have had tea..weird but looking forward to chicken salad at around 1pm in work smile

Aboutlastnight Mon 10-Sep-12 11:02:15

another fast day. porridge with trevia and a splash of milk for breakfast, big cup of coffee.

rest of day herbal tea, black coffee and then omelette with mushrooms, peppers and spinach for tea.

coribells Mon 10-Sep-12 11:09:55

Hello , have just found this thread . Am starting this diet with day one of fasting . Am definetly going to need support to get through this .
I've had some porridge for breakfast. 187 calories. Am planning on a small portion of bolognese for tea , with auberge be rather than spaghetti.
Do feel pretty hungry though , and wonder how I'll get through the day !

notso Mon 10-Sep-12 11:29:14

Hello, it's been a week since I started and I have lost 2lb yay.

On the downside it's a fast day today and I'm feeling really hungry wasn't too bad last week. The casserole I've got for DC in the slow cooker isn't helping it smells so nice.

Just had oat so simple with s/s milk and water which is under 200 cals, and a cuppa.
Trying to think of a 300ish calorie tea. Just waiting for DS2 and 3 to nap then I will go for a shower and sort the laundry to distract me a bit.

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 10-Sep-12 11:30:43

cori Welcome!

You might find that it's easier to skip breakfast, or to just have coffee/tea then on your fast days. Obviously if you can't function without breakfast, then you should keep it, but I know I personally would struggle on a fast day if I'd eaten in the morning.

All I can suggest between now and dinner is to have lots of tea (keep an eye on how much milk you use!) and keep busy. smile My house has never been cleaner since I started this diet.

rowingboat Mon 10-Sep-12 11:34:38

Hi all just checking in to cheer on the fasters today!
I'm on a normal day by which I mean cocoa pops for breakfast and a milky coffee followed by a lolly from a traditional sweet shop - which was probably a sugar lump too far for me and made me feel icky. No more lollies for breakfast!
Probably beans on whole meal toast for lunch some fruit and a stir fry for dinner.
I'm getting very confused by all the low carb stuff on here, could somebody point me in the direction of some good sources for that kind of thing - being as how I am bone idle! smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 10-Sep-12 11:35:41

An eating day here so am mostly just checking up on posts. smile

I have found now that it's a very bad idea to eat anything after say, 8pm, even on a feed day, and even just a small amount. I've had two eating days (Fri, yesterday) where I had some snack around that time and when I tried to go to sleep all I could think about was what felt like a rock in my stomach. grin

Speaking of keeping busy, I should have made today a fast day as I've got so much to do (estate agent was by earlier to measure/take pics of this house, then I've got an appt to see our new house in the afternoon after preschool dropoff) but I don't want to throw off my schedule for the rest of the week (Tues, Thurs fast days, Friday I'm off to a conference so it'll be wine o'clock somewhere..)

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 11:44:10

rowingboat check out Dr John Briffas blog and book Escape the Diet Trap lots of info there

www.drbriffa.com/

vigglewiggle Mon 10-Sep-12 12:02:03

Fasting day here again.

I left breakfast as late as I could and had 2 small boiled eggs. I'll have a very light lunch and then DH is doing some sort of Jerk chicken dish for tonight. We are adopting the regime together which helps and we try to coordinate our fasting days.

The first fasting day I did (which was awful) I was working an early shift so I had my first food at 5am which I think was a mistake. I can't do without breakfast, but I find leaving it as late as possible helps.

I spend most of my fasting days dreaming about the mountain of food I'm going to eat on non-fast days, but when I wake up The following morning - I dont feel particularly hungry - much to my surprise!

BIWI Mon 10-Sep-12 12:07:01
katykuns Mon 10-Sep-12 12:10:14

Hiya guys. I am on my first fasting day. Have only had a glass of orange juice that equalled 90 cals. Am drinking lots of water and trying to trick my body into thinking its not hungry yet! I can't stop thinking about food though lol.
Am a bit anxious about going to bed hungry!

As someone who usually consumes more calories than the recommended per day, I suspect that I am going to find this quite hard! Especially at teatime, when I have my proper meal (where I usually consume most of my calories due to our bad habit of large portion sizes!)
I shall persist, afterall its only 12pm lol

LouiseDavies Mon 10-Sep-12 13:07:32

Know what you mean Green! I have had two latish meals in the past week and had awful nights sleep feeling really bloated. praps things do change with this 5:2 diet! Just back from a busy morning doing crisis intervention work so totally distracted and now just about time for lunch smile

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 13:14:54

ooh yes BIWI i've read the book though.. ( a cheaper option.) so wont be going but would be interesting to hear his answers to questions.. We need to get them to get Dr Mosley along for a talk !

coribells Mon 10-Sep-12 13:17:24

Thanks for the welcome, I wold find it really difficult to do without breakfast entirely. I love toast in the morning, but replacing it with porridge is probably the best I can do.

Ive made do with a small apple and diet coke for lunch.
that seems to be helping.
ive also bought a couple of slim shakes for the days I am at work, will try to have one of those for breakfast or lunch on one of my fast days.

BIWI Mon 10-Sep-12 13:31:19

Well I appear to be on a fasting day hmm! Had a cup of coffee first thing, then my Berocca drink (500ml water), another couple of glasses of water, and have just had two boiled eggs for lunch. Dinner will be a tin of tuna with mayo and salad with vinaigrette.

Tomorrow I am at the gym at 7, so will have a 'normal' low carb day for me, which will start with some yoghurt for breakfast. I'm at the gym again on Thursday, so I will probably try and make Wednesday another fast day.

rowingboat Mon 10-Sep-12 13:32:33

Hi all
Thanks for the link Laksa!
Just wanted to chime in about the normal days and changes since fasting. I have been experiencing quite a bit if indigestion and nausea after fasting, not the following day but the day after. When I have a fasting day it seems to clear up.
I don't know if I have just been unlucky, but it does make me worry that I am upsetting my stomach by fasting? I sometimes find it difficult to decide what to eat on normal days, probably because I eat less well on normal days than I used to. Could be I am eating badly to make up for fasting - chocolate and rubbish, which I didn't used to do.
I think as the fasting days become more normal I will go back to healthy eating on normal eating days? Hope so!

poachedeggs Mon 10-Sep-12 13:35:23

Mmmmmmmmmm lunch at last! Busy morning at work but a few tummy grumbles. I've just had a bowl of soup and two Ryvita and between that and two cups of tea I've only got 160 calories left for dinner! Broccoli it is. I'll be delighted at the prospect by 6pm I'm sure. smileMmmmmmmmmm lunch at last! Busy morning at work but a few tummy grumbles. I've just had a bowl of soup and two Ryvita and between that and two cups of tea I've only got 160 calories left for dinner! Broccoli it is. I'll be delighted at the prospect by 6pm I'm sure. smile

Mintyy Mon 10-Sep-12 13:41:27

Fast day for me. I am having prawn salad tonight - Co-Op has fresh jumbo prawns half price at £3 per pack instead of £6 if anyone interested.

I was really interested to read that piece about breakfast earlier. I am resolutely not a breakfast person. By 12/1pm I am just as hungry if I have eaten breakfast than if I haven't. I like the fact that this fasting thing gives you permission to not eat breakfast because generally I am made to feel that one of the reasons I am so overweight is because I don't tuck into an extra 300 or so calories every morning hmm. I am not a snacker or grazer, either (in the morning) - so eating breakfast certainly doesn't stop me doing that.

Hooray for no breakfasts say I!

happyAvocado Mon 10-Sep-12 13:51:28

I am happy with no breakfast ;)
so the're were 3 black coffees
then heinz tomato soup, 4 light laughing cows , 6 almonds and diet coke for lunch

I feel I could burst now

mrsdrb Mon 10-Sep-12 14:42:18

week 4 day 1 of fasting here, slightly despondent as I seem to have regained some of the weight I lost last week, possibly as I over-eagerly weighed myself the day after a fast last week; also had 3 meals out last week and probably over ate; and also feel slightly bloated (more fruit needed).

Overall I have lost 2lb since I started. This week I am trying one meal a day on fast days, previous to this I was spreading the calories between breakfast and tea.

I have been drinking lots of decaf coffee today, don't feel too hungry, last ate around 10pm last night. Having mint lamb kebabs for tea with veg.

rosemarysage Mon 10-Sep-12 14:52:32

Hi Tell Me Later, I meant to reply to this post you had on the other thread:

<Interestingly I have found fasting this week almost impossible, gave up in fact...then went for a run yesterday and had a hunger like I have never felt before, I was so hungry I had to stop running, gorged myself on protein mostly when I got home...today my period arrives - I have been very irregular so I wasn't expecting it. Now I think my struggle may have been caused by a bit of pms and I'm going to give fasting another try next week.

Has anyone else really struggled to get through fasting during their TOM?>

YES! I found the fast day I did a few days before my period very hard, but didn't realise it might be this until my period started. Once my period started I found the fast days ok, and have actually done 3 fasting days during that week.

In my case it wasn't so much hunger as feeling weak that was the problem on the PMT fast-day (though this is complicated by the fact that I have a long-term health condition that makes me feel weak anyway, so I didn't immediately make the connection).

I was thinking of easing off a bit in the few days before my period except that I am a bit irregular, and sometimes am PMTish for a week and other times just for a few days, so it would be hard to tell exactly when this was going to be. Maybe I will be able to tell by my reaction to fasting, once I get more used to it? I suppose it will be easier as well once I am down to one day a week fasting.

captainmummy Mon 10-Sep-12 14:52:45

Ok you've persuaded me! I'm going to do a fast day tomorrow for the 1st time! I've been low-carbing for a while now, but seem to lose/gain the same couple of pounds, and I'm hoping this will kick-start my metabolism, tho i only have about 4-5 lbs to go.

I probab;y can't do 4;3, or even 5:2 tho, I wonder if 6:1 will do any good?

I'm at work i the morning then will do a house-blitz to keep busy, and bath and early bed.... get the day over with as soon as poss!

muriella Mon 10-Sep-12 15:06:51

Hi all - hope everyone's doing good today? Thanks for all the links, info and inspiration everyone's been posting. Really great stuff. smile

First fast day for me today after a week off the wagon and it's less painful than I was expecting. 2 coffees (with milk - I'm counting 20 cals each) and a cup of chicken soup (50 cals). Tonight I'm looking forward to a tuna omlette and lots of veggies.

I was wondering, has anyone tried doing consecutive days, and if so have you found that easier or harder to manage? It feels like maybe it could be easier but I don't know...?

TellMeLater Mon 10-Sep-12 15:19:33

Interesting that you have had a similar reaction rosemary. Today is the first fast I've done since the kids went back to school and it's been a lot easier not having to dish up food, on what seems like a constant basis.

Food today

Breakfast: Coffee
Lunch: total yoghurt and 1 blackberry
Dinner: minute steak with roasted mushrooms, courgettes & green beans

LookBehindYou Mon 10-Sep-12 15:58:29

Hello girls! Am back from sunny Greece. I continued the fast days while I was there (roughly) and have lost 4kg. Am chuffed to bits!

I see lots of new names. Great stuff. Am going to have a read through this thread.

Sputnik Mon 10-Sep-12 16:11:11

I found the fast day before my period quite difficult, hungrier than normal. Interestingly I used to get strong carb cravings, but cutting carbs generally seems to have helped that.

Just had a 2% total yohurt and a handful of blueberries, very nice and about 120 cals

muriella Mon 10-Sep-12 16:45:03

Forgot to mention - apols if this site has been posted already but I'm enjoying reading these experiences of people on 5:2 (as well as the posts here, obv). Some of the "guinea pigs" update more than others but they're all interesting nonetheless.

weeatthings.com/category/the-52-diet-mickeys-journey

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Mon 10-Sep-12 16:59:19

it's really good seeing how everyone is doing, keeps the motivation up!

yesterday's fasy day went well in the end. DH and DS had ice creams in the eening and DS kept asking me to lick the drips as it melts faster than he can eat it, made me feel so so sick!

Very rumbly tummy when I went to bed but didn't eel hungry.

Woke this am and managed half a bowl of cereal then felt a bit sick, still feel queasy after a boiled egg - anyone else get this? Ended up doing 16hours either side of eating yesterday which seemed to work

Paddington76 Mon 10-Sep-12 17:01:56

I'm on my first fast day now, so far just had three black decaf coffees and am having a cup of Bovril while my DS has his tea at the minute.

I am planning on having salmon, new pots and veg for my one meal at about 7.30pm, which will be 24 hrs after my last food.

I am just a but confused about the whole protein/carb thing though. Is it ok to have both as I notice lots of people are going low carb. And if I had 500cals of protein based meals would that not be way too much protein as per what was said on the Horizon programme?

Sorry fort he long post, I am an all or nothing dieter so always worry I am getting it wrong.

beamme Mon 10-Sep-12 17:11:10

paddington I love a cup of Bovril on my fast days, makes me feel like I've eaten a meal iykwim

Mintyy Mon 10-Sep-12 17:18:34

Grrrr, fasting today and just about to help the dc make home made pizza for their dinner hmm - there's no denying that I am feeling hungry!

Am consoling myself with the thought of baking cheese scones tomorrow ...

Clumsymum Mon 10-Sep-12 17:20:38

URGENT HELP PLEASE ...
Can anyone tell me how many calories in roasted sweet potatoes.

Doing roast veg with steamed fish tonight. want to include some sweet potato, but can't work out how much to do.

RevealYourselfTinySongstress Mon 10-Sep-12 17:21:25

Hi, is it ok if I join you please? I have a fair amount of baby weight to lose, and am doing my first fast day today-has gone fine so far! My scales this morning showed me at 79.5 kilos sad and I should be 60 kilos, so a fair way to go, but I have to start somewhere...this sounds like something I could do in the long term, and end the bingeing/endlessly restrictive calorie count cycle I get into whenever I try to diet.

Congratulations to everyone so far, seems like a successful WOE for a lot of MNers!

TalkinPeace2 Mon 10-Sep-12 17:36:11

Clumsy as per fitday.com 100g of boiled sweet potato is 114 calories

WeShouldOpenABar Mon 10-Sep-12 18:17:43

I'm going to join too if thats ok, first fast day today and ive had a yoghurt milky coffee two bowls of campbells low fat tomato soup and a cracker,

I dont feel hungry , though i did this morning and earlier then i would usually experience hunger so i think i was expecting to be starving and talked myself into it

I'm planning monday and wednesday as fast days and friday sometimes depending on my social life

GreenEggsAndNichts Mon 10-Sep-12 18:24:19

Mintyy If I'm honest, I get through a lot of fast days by planning a nice baking project for the next day. smile I made courgette and cheese muffins today.

Clumsymum Mon 10-Sep-12 18:53:48

Thanks TalkinPeace

WilfSell Mon 10-Sep-12 19:01:08

Someone [sorry, can't face scrolling back and finding out who grin] asked had anyone been doing this a long time and has the body adapted?

Hmmm, I dunno. Have been frustrated this weekend. I've been weighing every day and tracking the results. There is - beware newbies - a LOT of variation. But each week I have lost between 0.5-1.5lbs on a weekly basis. I eat normally on a Sunday mostly and take Monday morning as my official weight. But this week, despite doing 2.5 fast days, I gained a lb and it wasn't my period (that was last week).

When I read the post about adapting I suddenly worried since I've been doing it about 8 weeks now and the curve has gone from fairly peaky up and down to pretty flat. I don't think I am particularly eating differently from the first week, so may have to adapt things a bit further perhaps...

I hope the body doesn't adapt so easily... I am not sure I am ready for a new exercise regime yet! I have been walking a bit more this week but I really doubt I've built any muscle blush the speed I walk...

TellMeLater Mon 10-Sep-12 19:22:11

Minute Steak with roasted veg planned for dinner, I calculated the calorie content of the veg, everything was measured out, left the steak with the oilspray with dh and instruction to spray the steak - he took a strop About my instructions so I left him to it. It was lovely, in fact it was better than most steaks I've had, and then I discovered the pan.....the bugger had forgotten we were doing fasting today rather than low carbing and had bathed the steak in oil and butter....I must have been in denial as I greedily ate every bite sad no idea how far over the 500 it has pushed me - I know it's not the end of the world, but it's frustrating to have made all the effort of being hungry and weighing counting and cooking only to discover you might as well not have bothered!

rachelblythe Mon 10-Sep-12 19:44:20

my fast day has gone well. Held out until around 4 pm before eating anything, then had a fruit smoothie and a small portion of spinach and a beef in tomatoes dish. I'm starting to run out of ideas for healthy, tasty dinners. I 'spend' around 400 calories in one meal, rest go on liquids. Salads have turned boring for now. When some of you ladies say you just have veggies, is that quite literal? Don't you have any sauces, etc? How do you cook them, boil, roast, fry? i had some nice stir frys recently. Need some inspiration

TalkinPeace2 Mon 10-Sep-12 19:47:32

had huge Sunday lunch yesterday - no supper - still too full.
No breakfast. Bowl of soup (130 calories) for lunch , chicken caesar salad for supper.
Nothing till morning now.

coribells Mon 10-Sep-12 19:49:41

Well, day one. I think ive gone ust over 500 cals, but not too worried about that. I hungry , but not overly so. Am planning on an early night.

do most people on here do alternate day or 5:2. ? Is there a great deal of difference in weight loss?
I am planning on doing alternate day for the first two weeks (fingers crossed)
whats the av weight loss over what length of time?

Paddington76 Mon 10-Sep-12 19:54:43

Day 1 done, almost! Just had huge dinner of salmon, roasted new pots, asparagus and ratatouille for just under 500 cals so stuffed now.

Just wondered, do people eat all 2000 cals on a food day? Seems a lot to me and I don't want to eat for the sake of it but I don't want to eat too little either.

Sputnik Mon 10-Sep-12 20:01:16

Hope this is just a blip wilf, keep us posted.
Massive stir-fry for dinner here, tonnes of veg and some prawns.

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 20:07:28

LBY Welcome back and well done on maintaining it pretty much whist in Greece. Share your holiday tips? I go to Greece every year ,, would love to know what you did on fast days

Imt hrilled to report that in 8lb down now one fast day into in week 4 .

Skinnyeye Mon 10-Sep-12 20:15:06

Hi all week 2 fast day 1 and feeling fine!! My second fast last week was tough but it was close to TOM and I had a few carbs that day. Today had Morrocan lentil and carrot soup at lunch and pesto crusted cod, green beans and spinach for dinner. BBC good food has excellent low calorie recipes - I'm working my way through them lol. Cod recipe I didn't follow it exactly but it gives a starting point

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1775642/chilli-crusted-fish-with-green-beans

Laska42 Mon 10-Sep-12 20:35:13

rachelblythe re vegetables
Sometimes I just eat broccoli with soy sauce spring onions ginger chilli and garlic ,or roasted cauliflower with cumin and lemon ..but how about making a veggie curry , roasted veg, ratatouille, veggie chilli, stir fry or soup ....?

I'm eating a great veggie curry right now, just chopped up cauli carrots , French beans tomatoes peppers and mushrooms cooked in stock and a spoon full of Pataks sauce (myfitness pal has 20g of pataks curry past at 60cal you could add a hard boiled egg for another 75) . I'm not fasting today so have had turkey and yoghurt with mine this evening,, but there's enough left for tomorrow or weds when I will be again

3duracellbunnies Mon 10-Sep-12 21:03:57

Second fast day today. No breakfast then some salad, a tiny bit of chicken and a satsuma for lunch. Supper I had a v small portion of home made spag bol. Was impossible to know how many cal, but the sauce was mainly veg, with a little turkey mince, and a small amount of spaghetti. Looked at the garlic bread but at 166 cal/slice it will have to wait, will have to eat a bit less of that on feed days too! Dh having tooth out wed, wondering about fasting then too in solidarity! Tempted to have a small snack now, 'spent' 150 cal at lunch, don't know how much supper was but should probably be good.

katykuns Mon 10-Sep-12 21:07:06

It was me that asked about the body adapting. From what I gathered in the horizon documentary, it sounded like it was less likely to happen... because the point of it is to keep your metabolism 'on its toes'...

First day of fasting almost over. I expected it to be easier than it was :S have been painfully hungry and groggy all day... hunger has passed sort of, but have a killer headache! Will be going to bed in a few mins!
I can see why it could work... if I had the prospect of doing this again tomorrow, I would probably quit lol.

My hunger probably would have been helped by sensible eating.
Had a small glass of orange juice, 2xpackets of diet crisps, 1 ham sandwich, and 2 weightwatchers cookies. I am closer to 600 cals than 500, but still... better than my typical day of eating eh?

Hi everyone, good to have found you.

I'm on day one - nearly finished, phew! Just a milky coffee for breakfast, 200 cals of porridge for lunch, and a lentil stew with broccoli and salad for supper. Not bad. Looking forward to tomorrow though.

I'm doing 45 minutes of circuit training in the park three mornings a week so trying to work out the best fast days for me. Boot camp was this morning but I wasn't very hungry so thought I might as well start today. Might try Thursday too.

Anyway, looking forward to reading everyone's recipe/meal tips.

Sputnik Mon 10-Sep-12 21:18:55

yes stir fry, ratatuille, soup. When it gets a bit colder I'll try roasted, maybe with a bit of cheese. Parmigiana is really nice, yuo could adapt this recipe www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/10468/melanzane-parmigiana by using less oil and cheese to lower calories.

Slimandhappy Mon 10-Sep-12 21:50:08

First fast day this week of 2nd week and feel hungry now! Had cherries this morning then 60cal cuppa soup. Delicious chicken breast with roasted veg for dinner....was delicious! Reckon I still have cals for options hot chocolate in a mo. not weighed in but def feel slimmer even though I had a week in Zante two weeks ago. Keep with it all you Monday and Tuesday fasters xx

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Tue 11-Sep-12 06:15:41

tis the night before next fast day for me - have planned what I'm eating tomorrow based around DC meals and activities, been on a calorie counter and made sure I had more than enough allowance for copious tea and coffee!

On the menu will be
circa 1pm (16hours after last meal) lentil and tomato stew, carrot and king prawns
circa 3:30pm (16hours before next meal) frozen yoghurt and raspberries

normal tea, jasmine tea, normal coffee - if I have 4floz of milk with these I'm still a good 60cal under 500, giving me a bit of leeway.

Trying for Pilates in the morning, just hope I have enough energy, if not will utilise my 60 calories on half a banana...

Weirdly feeling NOT ravenous this morning. And while yesterday I fantasised about eating all sorts of wonderful things I'm now feeling much more abstemious.

Meant to say, back in the 70s before they had kids my parents would fast every Monday - proper, no food at all fasts. They claimed it allowed them to indulge over the weekend and make up for it in the week, cutting down their calorie intake by 1/7. I thought they were CRAZY but perhaps jus ahead of their time smile kept the weight off!

mumblechum1 Tue 11-Sep-12 07:50:05

Same here - stuck to 500 cals yesterday, was ravenous last night but then this morning (when I 'lanned to have full English breakfast), I'm happy with cereal.

And I've now lost 6lbs! yay!

poachedeggs Tue 11-Sep-12 08:08:39

Yesterday was fast day 3 in 8 days (started last Monday) and I've lost 4lb! Still a long way to go but delighted with this start. I'm a binge eater if I'm honest so had some very bad eating days. It's wonderful to feel like I might be doing something to repair the damage I've inflicted on my body.

Didn't even feel up to the bacon roll I'd promised myself during last night's hunger pangs - just had toast!

I have a maths question: for the past 2 years I've been doing my fitness pal and eating 1200 calories a day. I lost 2.5 stone over the first year but since then have been gaining and losing the same 4 or 5 lbs.

If I was to do 5:2 I've calculated the following:
7 days x 1200 cals = 8400 cals/week
8400 - 1000 (2x 500 cal fast days) = 7400
7400 / 5 days = 1880 cals max per non fast day

I know the research said eat what you want on non fast days but I really don't trust myself - I am a total glutton!

Does that all sound about right?

Abra1d Tue 11-Sep-12 09:15:22

Some of things people eat sound lovely! I think it's important to make your 500 calories really high quality for the fast day. I wouldn't eat diet food or spend the calories on biscuits, etc. That is not going to do your body good.

coribells Tue 11-Sep-12 09:25:48

My first fast day was yesterday. I woke up this morning not feeling particulary hungry but enjoyed my toast and vegemite.
I weighed myself this morning, seems i have about 30 kilos to loose, that is so depressing sadsadsad . I really hope this works and i can stick to it

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 09:32:20

not sure yet if this is a fast or feed day (would normally be tomorrow but as I'm working at home today may be better ). ..will see how i feel later.. but if its a fast day afire my breakfast I only have calories left for a small egg salad...

LouiseDavies Tue 11-Sep-12 09:48:00

Hi Betty I would say that sounds about right and a good plan. I have been doing the fast for 3 weeks and stayed the same weight. I'm not overly bothered as it is for the health reasons mainly due to being 52 but would like to lose around a stone to be at optimum weight. I think I will start monitoring feed days too to ensure I'm not overstuffing myself.Your calorie calculation sounds spot on for me too!

catsrus Tue 11-Sep-12 10:00:09

betty -for me the great joy of this is that I can pretty much forget calories. By that I mean the kind of slavery to counting them that I associate with 'going on a diet' - I can still pretty much tell you what the calorie value of most foods are though and I use that general knowledge to guide my fast days and keep them roughly under 500. If I was going over a bit then then clearly has not been a problem as I have lost 8lb in 4 weeks. My BMI is within the normal range but I have the middle age spread problem of life post-menopause and my waist was dangerously large (see - I am saying was grin)

I literally eat and drink what I like on normal eating days - but have found I don't want some foods and my appetite is smaller. I am paying attention to my body rather than counting the calories of what goes into it. This is a huge psychological shift for me - I don't feel deprived or that I have to be "good" or "in control" because I am "on a diet". I have permission to eat desert - and will if it is a desert that I actually want.

Sunday was a "normal" day and I went out with a friend to a food fair, I tasted all the nice samples of different foods, had lattes then went out for a Thai meal with wine I ate what I wanted but we were both too full for desert grin. Yesterday was a fast day and I think because of the wine the night before I found I needed food at lunch time when I had planned not to eat until evening meal - so I had a calorie counted pack of sushi and adjusted my evening meal to be veggie soup.

It's a flexible way of eating, my fast days this week are shifting around due to meeting friends and a work lunch, but I'm increasingly confident that I've finally found something that works for me.

If you have been yo-yoing around those 4lb then it might be worth trying this as something new - and not counting calories on non fast days.

catsrus Tue 11-Sep-12 10:04:11

louise have you thought about introducing an extra fast day rather than limiting calories on non fast days? I'm generally aiming for 4:3, like you had a stone to lose (though im nearer 60 than 50 shock) and am over half way there in a month.

LouiseDavies Tue 11-Sep-12 10:17:16

Hi catsrus that might be an idea. I do feel I have overeaten on my feed days almost as if I was given the go-ahead to eat the 'forbidden' stuff on those days. I loved the concept because like you I didn't want to have to calorie count on the other days although I have a very good idea of what calories are in food! As it is early days yet I will see how it goes and adjust accordingly. Well done you for doing so well! smile

LookBehindYou Tue 11-Sep-12 10:36:12

Hi Laksa, we go to Greece every year too. On the fast days I had a couple of pieces of fruit in the morning (peach, v small pear) and then something like a Greek Salad in the evening with one glass of wine, perhaps with small portion of vine leaves or 'giant beans' - something like that, on the side. I asked for extra tomato and pepper instead of feta and was light on the oil but generous with a lemon. I drank freddo expresso with no sugar which is how I like it anyway.

Paddington76 Tue 11-Sep-12 10:47:51

Up day today after first fast day yesterday but I am so hungry. I have had my usual porridge with ff yogurt and berries which would normally do me fine til lunch but I could eat and eat today!

Anybody else get this? Was hoping for the Zen-like calm others had reported rather than a binge waiting to happen.

Also slept dreadfully last night. Not sure if this is the diet or not.

frenchfancy Tue 11-Sep-12 11:00:19

Fast day 3 here. Not eaten anything for 17 hours so far. I am planning some soup in an hours time then this:

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/4824/squash-and-chorizo-stew

for dinner.

mistlethrush Tue 11-Sep-12 11:02:30

Can I check.. on a fast day you can effectively eat lots of the less substantial vegetables (ie avoid sweetcorn, peas, carrots and parsnips) and have a modest breakfast then two plates of salad or something similar and that would fit in (ish at least) with the calorie aim? I'm not eating high cals or the wrong type of food anyway and still have real issues trying to shift any (despite low GI and not very high carb) - is this worth a go???

Sputnik Tue 11-Sep-12 11:27:53

Mistlethrush most of us are doing 2 meals as it means you get something a bit more substantial. You can use peas etc as long as you keep an eye on them.

Paddington I felt really hungry after my first fast day too, after a few it did seem to get less though. That said I'm quite hungry today.

Betty you should be subtracting 700 cals per fast day not 500 which would bring the total for other days up a bit. Given that 1200 is the absolute minimum recommended you have plenty of leeway there. I would really stop worrying about calories, many of us are finding ourselves self regulating better, I certainly am.

Sputnik Tue 11-Sep-12 11:35:17

Ah and coribells, I've followed a few threads in the weightloss section of mumsnet over the years, this is the first one where nearly everyone has stuck to it. Personally I've been trying and failing to lose weight for years, I can hardly believe it's working so well and how easy it is tbh, I've lost 4kg in 4 weeks. Others on here have had great results too.

BuntCadger Tue 11-Sep-12 11:36:28

Fast day here, week 5 smile

katykuns Tue 11-Sep-12 11:39:37

Paddington76 - I was alright on the hunger front this morning, so I have been coping okay. I had a breakfast of weetabix though, which is probably a bit more stodgy and keeping hunger off.
I did however, sleep terribly last night, couldn't get comfortable. Didn't help I went to bed with a nasty headache... hoping that is going to get easier as time goes on!

Question: What does everyone do if there is a meal out at a restaurant on a fast day? Do you skip it and have the fast day, or are you just super careful and have a lot of self restraint? lol

katykuns Tue 11-Sep-12 11:41:50

Good luck BuntCadger! How much have you lost so far if you don't mind me asking?

frenchfancy Tue 11-Sep-12 11:41:55

Just realised this is fast day 4 not 3. I can't count.

Katy, I would move my fast day if I were going to a restaurant.

BuntCadger Tue 11-Sep-12 11:45:48

9lb grin that was on Friday weigh in.

BIWI Tue 11-Sep-12 11:46:24

First fast day over. I had 2 boiled eggs for lunch, and then a tin of tuna (in brine) mixed with a little light salad cream and a little mayo, with a green salad (iceberg lettuce with some finely chopped shallot, and an olive oil and white wine vinegar dressing). Followed a little later by some full fat Onken yoghurt with a bit of vanilla extract.

Didn't notice that I felt any more/less hungry this morning when I woke up.

I should have weighed myself yesterday morning before I started, but I forgot. I did weigh this morning and will weigh tomorrow morning, before my second fast day.

BuntCadger Tue 11-Sep-12 11:46:40

Only had diet Pepsi so far. Going to have leafy egg salad for lunch. smile

catsrus Tue 11-Sep-12 11:51:29

I'd move the fast day too katy - my entire regime this week is being built around things like a friend staying on Sunday, a birthday celebration on Weds, a work pub-lunch on Thursday and travelling for work on Sat. As I'm trying to do 4:3 my fast days this week are Monday, Tuesday and Friday.

I've never done 2 fast days in a row before, so I will see how today goes (fingers crossed!). Doing it this way I can just eat what everyone else eats when I'm out with them.

Mintyy Tue 11-Sep-12 11:52:47

For those of us who are hoping to lose weight - what do people think about having one of those rolling lists (I've seen on other threads) where people post their progress, if they want to obviously, might be a good motivator and would help us get to know each other better?

So it might go:
Mintyy
Libra
Start date: 1st September
Goal: to lose 1 stone by Christmas and then more weight next year
Weight lost to date: x lb

I don't actually know how much weight - if any - I've lost but that's just because I don't have any scales, but you can see what I'm getting at?

The zodiac sign was a joke btw grin

catsrus Tue 11-Sep-12 11:53:42

woo hoo bunt well done! Friday is my weigh in day too, 8lb for me grin I'm wearing a sloppy / around the house dress today that was too tight to even get on a month ago!

LookBehindYou Tue 11-Sep-12 11:54:43

There is a rolling list already. I will look for the thread.

MamaGeekChic Tue 11-Sep-12 12:41:36

Fast day number 3 for me today, I expect to find this one hard as I'm on holiday from work and home alone. I have just realised I made a bit of a mistake though- I had my last food at 6.30pm yesterday so 16hrs would've elapsed by lunch today but i had a forkful of DPs chocolate cake at 10pm last night (we were 3hrs into a 5hr drive at this point and I was tired and not thinking) should I wait until 2pm before eating?

So far I've only had a coffee, plan for the rest of today:
1 egg on small slice of rye toast for lunch- 175cals
chicken and stirfried veg for dinner- 300cals

I've been on holiday for the last few days and eaten more than i should've so was looking forward to fasting today.

muriella Tue 11-Sep-12 12:43:44

Good afternoon, hope all fasters are doing ok. Really impressed by these losses, well done ladies!

Just looked back to see how I've done overall. Started 13/8/12 at 9st 9. Am now 9st 7. My BMI is 22 and I am really aiming to be a stone lighter.

Should have worked this out before, but I need to do 4:3 and not exceed 1650 cals on feed days to lose 1lb per wk. Some weeks I've done ADF, others have been 5:2, last week was 7 feed days in a row... blush

I was hoping to avoid exercising but I guess I can't!!!

ILoveLemonCurd Tue 11-Sep-12 12:44:27

Second fast day for me. Ate loads yesterday as it was DD's birthday so had a meal out. I didn't eat from 7 pm til 11am this morning so I did 16 hours this time. I've also been for an 8 mile run which I wouldn't normally do on a fast day but I couldn't do it yesterday. I thought I would struggle but it wasn't too bad and it took my mind off eating wink. for lunch I've had a chickpea salad with spring onions, tomato and a lemon dressing for under 200 cals. Dinner will be veg and lentils probably.

Feeling good at the moment, apart from being knackered after staying up listening to Andy Murray' match!

Everyone is doing so well, it really feels like a sustainable WOE to me and not really like a diet at all grin

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 12:52:45

Here is the old weigh-in thread. It hasn't been updated for a couple of weeks so I'm not sure if we use that one, or start another?

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 12:53:51

Fast day for me as well. Not had anything yet, except a cup of coffee around 11am. I'll have another one when I'm back from dropping my DS at nursery.

Great to see so many new people. grin

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 12:57:17

mamageek I don't think it matters much really.....

To be a bit controversial ( being one of those that originally advocated the 16hr thing..), I think its easy to get hung up on the timings when it really doesn't matter as long as you have some decent break in eating .. Its really about just limiting yourself to the 500 cals (or roundabouts) for the fast days - however many you have a week.. Most here are doing 5:2 it seems but some also alternate day and some 4:3 (which I'm trying to do at the moment) .

The Californian scientist in Dr Ms programme mentioned 16hrs as being the optimum time for the cell repair process, but also it seems that some studies showed that 14hrs was also beneficial especially for women.

I tend to eat on food days latest at 7pm , then if the next day is a fast day i have breakfast at the normal time - around 7.30 , and early dinner at 4-4.30 and then its around 16 hours until I eat again.. The beauty of this WOE (don't think of it as a diet) is that is flexible ,and hopefully much more sustainable that usual WOE if you do want to have weight loss. But IMHO a small mouthful within the 16 hour period will probably not do much to the overall effect ..

Hope that's helpful (and doesn't sound patronising - not meant to) ..

I've lost 8lb in 3 weeks on this and i've not been too hung up on going slightly over on one or two fast days

Mintyy Tue 11-Sep-12 12:57:31

Feed day for me.

Don't look fasters ... left over home made pizza for lunch, yum!

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 13:06:05

LBY
Sounds great and I will remember that for next year (see! I think this WOE is totally sustainable for life) ..

Wish I was back there right now.....Where do you go? We go to Pelion every year .. if I won the lottery id buy a house there (even now with all the Euro thing going on)..

Don't think I could do just wine Would be more like winewinewine!!!

mumblechum1 Tue 11-Sep-12 13:17:09

Feed day for me too. I accidentally tripped and fell into McDonalds after Zumba and somehow a Filet of Fish Meal landed in my gob.

Very nice too!

Orion1111 Tue 11-Sep-12 13:18:18

BettyButterKnife. Seems your sums are wrong. 7400/5 is 1480, not 1880.

saladfingers Tue 11-Sep-12 13:22:21

For those interested in the other health benefits as well as possible weight loss,Sainsburys are doing free cholesterol tests at the moment.You just make an appt then on the day it takes approx 10mins til you get the result.
I've booked mine for Thurs morning.Been doing 5:2 then 4:3 for 3 weeks now.Dont have any idea what Cholesterol level was when i started but would like a baseline measurement (Too scared to go to GP yet as fear it will be high!)to be able to make a comparison with around Christmas time.

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 13:33:03

Ooh ...and I'm now back to BMI normal! (finally!) That's brilliant.. Today is turning out to be a fast day after all - just having a Green brew with lemongrass.. really nice . (Health and Heather .. you can get it at H&B )

LookBehindYou Tue 11-Sep-12 13:35:06

I skip breakfast every day now since I started the 5:2 diet. I don't feel hungry at all but make myself eat lunch otherwise I start obsessing over carby things and stuff myself silly late afternoon.
There is talk about adaptation upthread. Is it a problem? If so, how do you avoid it?

Laksa well, ahem, it might have been more than one glass of wine but I was on hols! We went to the South of Crete this year - Loutro and Myrthius. Next year we'll go to the mainland. Pelion looks good.

LookBehindYou Tue 11-Sep-12 13:36:06

Laska, Laska, Laska - sorry - keep spelling your name wrong blush

OHforDUCKScake Tue 11-Sep-12 13:37:19

Hello, Im on my second time of fasting. Ive lost a couple of lb's.
Im upping my calorie intake by 200 cals to see if I can still lose weight. I'll be having 700 calories today.

Reason being, Im bf my 15 month old still. Except he feeds hourly, sometimes every 40 mins and throughout the night. And last fasting day I was fine until 7pm then I felt terrible. The following day was awful, I was a shaking faint mess. Id worry about driving to do the school run, and that was after breakfast. I didnt begin to feel normal again until the end of the following day. Bf and running around after children, feeling like that is really hard. It was worse than a hangover!

Any tips and advice welcome.

I do want to stick with it. More than anything else its the most affordable diet Ive done so far!

Sputnik Tue 11-Sep-12 13:45:56

Ohforducks that sounds sensible to me.
Congrats Laska, fabulous!

Curses, you're right orion1111 - 1480 per day. Which isn't a lot. And makes me think I should definitely not be eating whatever I want as that is really not many calories! I could easily eat double that.

Is it really worth it?!

idoloveabiscuit Tue 11-Sep-12 13:51:54

I think I'm going to add an extra day so it will be 4:3 as despite only eating 500 cals a day fir a month (5:2) I seem to be losing and gaining the same 4lbs.

I have about 9lbs to lose and thought I would've got there by now.

Has anyone else has more success on 4:3 as opposed to 5:2?

OHforDUCKScake Tue 11-Sep-12 13:52:06

BIWI do I remember you from the low carb thread?
Why did you change diets if you dont mind me asking? Or are you mixing the two together?

captainmummy Tue 11-Sep-12 13:56:16

Half-way through my very first fast day! Am not too hungry, though i missed breakfast -slept through the alarm! have had 2 milky coffees at work and 1 HB egg and 1 celery stick since. Will try to hold out to dinner, which will be homemade tomato soup. Funnily enough i am still not that hungry.

I'm sure the months of low-carbing have helped with the appetite-supression, normally i would be ravenous by 730 and have snacked on 2 apples and a banana before lunch!

BIWI Tue 11-Sep-12 14:48:15

OhforDUCKScake - I'm very definitely a committed low carber! I'm combining the two, as I believe that low carbing will help with appetite suppression. I'm not going to do the whole calorie counting thing though as I believe that way madness lies grin

Briffa is interested in this too, what he calls intermittent fasting - or more prosaically, only eating when you're hungry.

I'm also having a go at it as my weight loss has really slowed down, and thought that this could be a way to get it going again.

Deniselaine Tue 11-Sep-12 14:50:49

oh dear ... my first week 5:2 and stayed the same. I might try 4:3 this week as a kick-start and try harder to stay around 500 cals as nearer 600 last week. please would you answer a couple of questions for me confused
what does 'marking my place' mean ? and is it true that on fast days I only have to wait 16 hours from when I have my evening meal to when I next eat again ... so if I eat at 7pm my 500 carlorie allowance for the next day starts at around noon and can be used at anytime till it's time for bed ?

My dad is having an op for prostate cancer on Thursday, and have been very up and down emotionally for the last week or so. Managed fast days Monday and Thursday last week, but am only aiming for one fast day this week and one next week, because I will be doing lots of travelling and be under a lot of pressure emotionally, and don't want to lay any more on myself. Besides, this to me is the beauty of this new lifestyle I have adopted, I'm not slimming into a bikini in 6 weeks, I'm hoping this is something I will be doing long term, so tweaking it to fit around things that go on in my life is part of 'doing it' iyswim?

Deffo noticing a smaller appetite on feed days, very rarely hungry for brekkie and so don't have time to eat as much food! Don't restrict though, eat what I fancy, and on non fast days tend to have wine.

Have just had large salad with Quorn ham, non fat mayo and a tiny bit of chipolte mustard. Yum. Then will be having a Quorn lasagne with a large side salad for tea, and an orange options hot choc to get me through the evening.

It's funny how I find myself planning all the stuff I will eat on a feed day (choc, toast with lashings of butter, chips, etc, and then not eating any of it)

Well done all, keep it up!

Mintyy Tue 11-Sep-12 15:25:35

Good luck to your dad on Thursday sexbomb. I think you are quite right ... don't give yourself any additional stresses or things to think about right now. You can get back to it when he's had the operation and recovering smile.

Biwi - there can't be a spare ounce left on you now, shurely?

Thina Tue 11-Sep-12 16:12:46

Week 2. First week I fasted Mon and Wed.... Mon was nearer 900 cals, Wed was just over 500. Have given up the booze Mon - Thur. This week I fasted yesterday and will be tomorrow. Yesterday I managed 700 (oh dear). Fingers crossed for tomorrow. Maybe I should try three days at 600...? So far have lost 2lbs and gained 2lbs. I also watch the cals on feed days, about 1200 usually.

BIWI Tue 11-Sep-12 16:14:46

If only, Mintyy! I've got 11lbs to go to get to my ultimate target. My next target is 9 stone 7, which is just over 4lbs away.

BIWI Tue 11-Sep-12 16:16:03

.... and I know it doesn't sound a lot, but my progress has been very slow nothing to do with the amount of wine I've been drinking

TalkinPeace2 Tue 11-Sep-12 16:23:00

Well I'm 3lb down on the first day of term. No sure if that is the fast days or reduced alcohol intake.
only 9lb to go till I'm happy for years and years.

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 16:24:52

So that's it for today.... just ate my early dinner of a bowl of h/m veggie curry (no rice)..It was yum and pretty filling. Will have to be because I reckon I'm now on my 500 for today..

Now, what shall I plan for breakfast?...........................
smilesmile

Sputnik Tue 11-Sep-12 16:31:06

Thina you should really eat more on feed days otherwise you are starving yourself and your metabolism will slow right down and you'll find weight loss even harder.
1200 cals is very little, unless you're tiny

Thina Tue 11-Sep-12 16:51:43

Sputnik - thanks, it's hard to... after years of doing every diet under the sun! I am not tiny, I am 5' 5", and and 11 stone (give or take a few lbs, but never under 11). I have been this weight for over 10 years.... but I want to lose a stone. I have read all the posts on these three threads and know the normal calorie intake has been mentioned a few times, but I can't find it. Any advice most definitely welcome.

Deniselaine - I think 'marking my place' means that they are sort of bookmarking where they've read up to. This thread grows by the hour and you can soon lose your place. I think this is what it means.....

mumblechum1 Tue 11-Sep-12 16:53:51

Thina, I think you should be eating 2000 calories on your non-fast days. That's what I'm doing and am losing weight q rapidly.

coribells Tue 11-Sep-12 16:57:28

Well an enjoyable feed day. Though do feel a bit guilty having a biscuit with my cofee when i am supposed to be on a 'diet'
A bit nervous about tomorrow being a fasting day, as Ill be at work. i usually get quite hungry at work especially if im not busy.
I am planning on having a slim fast shake on my way in. Maybe an apple and banana while i am at work and then veg ratouile for dinner. Hopefully ill be so knackered by the end of the day (usually am on wednesdaiy ) that ill fall asleep at 9.00 and it will all be over easily.

Thina Tue 11-Sep-12 16:57:36

Ooooooh gooooody.... grin... can I have leftover curry right now? Yarooooooooooooo!

TalkinPeace2 Tue 11-Sep-12 16:58:48

If you are 5'5 you should be aiming for 2000 calories on non fast days (average - so if you have half a bottle of wine, then your food needs to drop by 300 calories)
I'm 5 5 too BTW

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 17:05:38

Thina I have to echo the others; please consider eating more on fast days. It does sound strange to someone who is used to eating low-calorie diets, but it's working for many of us. 1200 on eating days isn't a good idea, as on a 5:2 diet, it leaves you with 1,000 calories per day on average.

You might also find yourself managing your fast days easier if you're left more satisfied from the previous eating day. You're really meant to keep the calories at 25% of your normal intake, hence the 500 calories average for fast days. You might see some progress if you can manage to keep to 500 on the fast days (I don't think the 900 calorie day would count as a fast. I know those first few fast days are quite tough, though- I think my first one I was probably closer to 700 than 500) and up your calories on the other days.

This link will help you figure out your basal rate, and the link mentioned on that page can help you figure out how many calories your body needs to maintain its current weight, factoring in exercise etc.

These are just suggestions, btw, to keep in mind if you aren't having the success you'd hoped for. smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 17:06:36

(sorry takes me ages to post and I've xposted with others who've posted since I started typing that!)

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 17:11:20

Thina
here you go ..you can calculate your BMR here:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
Then once you know your basal rate multiply it by the exercise level you do as per the next page:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

i'm also 5.5 and my rate is 1641 cals per day. Yours will be different depending on your age and activity level

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 17:12:11

and me also greeneggsgrin

beamme Tue 11-Sep-12 17:26:57

Third fast day for me this week. Soooo ready for some dinner now, find the stretch between lunch and dinner the hardest. Have tried a Lucozade Revive today, only 50 calories and gave me the pick me up I needed.

Mintyy Tue 11-Sep-12 17:33:11

bmr calculator

and the next page

You need to put [[ and ]] either end of your links for them to work properly on Mumsnet.

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 17:41:40

Oh, and fast day here as well. smile Had two cups of coffee with some milk over the course of the day, and water. Shall have some veg in a little while; perhaps vegetable soup, but I'll decide then.

Planning a baking project for tomorrow- something with my sourdough starter, I think! It needs using.

ILoveLemonCurd Tue 11-Sep-12 17:49:40

Well, maybe running on a fast day isn't such a good idea as I am starving!! Pepsi max is my new best friend! I'm afraid I cracked and nibbled on some birthday cake, only a tiny bit though shock.

So I've just had tea and I am on 600 calories now so nothing more til tomorrow confused. However my run did burn 924 calories so I am not being hard on myself. Roll on tomorrow ......

I am really trying this for a month and this is my second fast. I am doing 5:2 as I exercise quite a bit, so it's all about finding a balance.

Mintyy Tue 11-Sep-12 17:51:28

Biwi - are you a fellow short arse? grin

I am 5ft 2. I'd LOVE to get to 9 stone 7. The only time in my entire life I have been below 9 stone (apart from childhood obvs) was in my 20s when I smoked 30 cigarettes a day and didn't eat anything but did a lot of running around London drinking and partying. As soon as I hit 30 and gave up smoking for the first time I went up to 9 stone 10 and its been a steadily upward trajectory since then sad.

TellMeLater Tue 11-Sep-12 17:51:58

Ahhh I used to have a sour dough starter, by the time I had grown it and fed it properly I had got bored and returned to yeast.

ILoveLemonCurd Tue 11-Sep-12 17:52:39

Forgot to add that overall I want to lose a stone as I think I will be able to run faster if I do. I'll weigh in on Monday ....

TalkinPeace2 Tue 11-Sep-12 17:58:55

Lemoncurd and beamme
Fizzy drinks are the spawn of the devil when it comes to healthy eating, weight loss and controlling insulin levels
you REALLY REALLY REALLY need to try to give them up.

Water or milk are MUCH better for you and do not contain shed loads of sugar / or even worse sweeteners (they trick the system and knacker up insulin levels.
If you need the caffiene, have a coffee or a tea
but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for your own sakes, no more than 500 ml of fizzy drinks PER WEEK.

katykuns Tue 11-Sep-12 18:08:07

beamme - I know exactly what you mean about the hunger hitting the worst between lunch and dinner. I overeat in general, but usually use a heck of a lot of calories eating in the evening. Was expecting that to be my hungriest but apart from a nasty headache I was fine!

BIWI Tue 11-Sep-12 18:18:51

Mintyy - I am 5 ft 2 as well! I currently weigh 9 stone 11, which is the lightest I've been for a long time. But technically, according to the BMI stuff, I'm still overweight. I was 8 stone 11 when I got married, and bemoaning the fact that I was fat blush

But - going to the gym has made a definite difference - I'm less focussed on what the scales are telling me because I know from my shape/the clothes I am wearing that all is going very definitely in the right direction. And I even wore a bikini on holiday, for the first time in a million years!

RightBuggerforGOLD Tue 11-Sep-12 18:23:26

Talkinpeace - How does fizzy affect insulin levels? Does that affect weight directly? I drink diet fizzy by the bucketload (but have lost 1st 2lbs in 5 weeks so assume it can't be that bad)?

rowingboat Tue 11-Sep-12 18:37:20

Hi all just checking in. It's a normal day for me and I am about to do a bit n my exercise bike followed by a bit of food as I find I am more hungry when I fast - tomorrow- after exercise.
Somebody mentioned feeling I'll after food on normal eating days and I wanted to comment that I have experienced nausea and stomach pain on normal days. Not sure why, but twice felt awful after a veg stir fry with little in the way of rice or noodles. I definitely feel better if I eat something starchy on normal days. Don't think I could do a raw food diet or just veggies.
Want to say well done to the fasters today and keep it up! Nearly there!
Fast day for me tomorrow!

MamaGeekChic Tue 11-Sep-12 18:42:52

Fast day has been ok so far although I don't recommend attempting food shopping, had to be really strict with myself not to leave with lots of yummy goodies for my 'eating' day tomorrow. I haven't felt overly hungry but I did feel more than a little bit faint when picking DD up from nursery, was worried about driving so bought a chocolate bar oops as I felt I needed sugar, I only ate 2 squares though and brought the rest home for DP, equated to about 70 cals so will have less chicken and more veg at dinner I think.

The BMR bit is really interesting. Mine works out at 2200 which is higher than I expected although I have maintaned my weight rather than gaining for a while, so that explains some things. Also looks like i'd need to stick to around 1500cals on feed days doing 5:2 or 1725cals when doing 4:3 to lose 2lbs a week so will need to bear that in mind as clearly eating what i fancy has averaged out at about 2200 of late.

Going to weigh tomorrow so hoping for a positive result to spur me on.

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Tue 11-Sep-12 19:15:51

Weighed myself this am (after a feed day) and down another pound since last week. Might even be more as I started my period today and always feel a bit bloated with it. fasting today and not feeling hungry at all. Had nothing til lunch and then a little spag bol with no spag. Going to have carrot and orange salad for dinner now.

ILoveLemonCurd Tue 11-Sep-12 19:43:39

Thanks for your concern Talkinpeace, but I don't drink fizzy drinks very often at all. It's just today there was a bottle in the house and the sweetness seemed to take the edge off the hunger for a fast day. I had three glasses for 3 calories. Don't fret I won't touch it again til the next fast promise smile.

AAArrrrrggghh. Having a major wobble. Had told myself I wasn't going to fast for the next two weeks whilst my dad has surgery for cancer, and I'm under massive stress and doing loads of travelling, whilst still trying to care for my disabled dh. However, my sister said I might be disappointed if I didn't do anything and suggested I did it once a week. However, I just can't face going to bed hungry and tossing and turning til the early hours coz I never sleep well after a fast. Have done 4 fast days so far, and don't find it too hard normally, and definately see this as a long term lifestyle choice. just really don't feel that I can cope with this at this hugely massive time of stress. Fasting makes me just that bit more irritable and easier to snap, and all the stress is doing that to me already.

But I just can't seem to give myself permission. it's driving me mad. I feel like such a failure.

Got my period too which isn't helping...

LookBehindYou Tue 11-Sep-12 19:54:39

sexbomb, the world won't fall apart if you eat normally for a few weeks - be nice to yourself. Hope it all goes well for your Dad.

Deniselaine Tue 11-Sep-12 19:56:31

thanks Thina that makes sense. I didn't realise how many calories you could have on non-fast days either - I'm on 1200 or less so perhaps I'll have a few more on non-fast days instead of pannicking that I've gone over by a few. good luck !

OHforDUCKScake Tue 11-Sep-12 20:03:39

Im finding todays fasting far easier than the last one. Ive no idea why though....

I am about to watch The Great British Bake off, clearly I like to torture myself.

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 20:07:32

Long post - slight 'confession' and a decision ...

I've been thinking further about the conversations we've been having today and I've just fully read that link above about women and IF .. Its worried me a bit as i've been experiencing unusual wakefulness at night (I usually sleep right through) over the last few days, and also I've STS weight after the last two fasting days after losing 8lbs the two weeks before.

So I've been looking back over the last week and now I really don't think i've been eating enough on eating days either (around 1200 -1300 cals even with wine at weekend). Also, taking the wakefulness into consideration I reckon I may have stalled or be about to stall my metabolism, so I've made a decision....

I'm going to not fast again until next week and will concentrate on eating around 1600-1800 calories a day until then, but try and make them good healthy ones.

I have been fasting again today but its too late to do much about it now , but I have just had 50g of 75% dark cocoa chocolate -good antitoxins, some fat and not too much sugar (and recommended by Dr Briffa!) in an effort to forestall wakefulness again tonight.

As I'm planning on being in this WOE for the long term (and I've lost so well so far after not losing for several months previously on WW) I'm prepared to experiment a little . I don't know how many of you have done WW before but there used to be an unofficial version called the 'Wendie' plan which people used to recommend for stalls, where you eat alternate high and low (but not very low) 'points' days. I'm not about to go back to WW , but it did used to help break stalls and keep your metabolism guessing and, thinking of IF and 5:2, I think it does make sense to not over-diet and restrict calories too much .

If I'm honest I think i've been concentrating too much on quick weight loss (despite the fact I haven't really admitted it here) which is why i've been going too low on calories everyday I think, and I certainly have 'Previous' on that front before on diets, so if I am in danger of another metabolic stall (and I think I am if not already done so ) I want to get sensible and stop it in its tracks right now . .. ..

I'm so thrilled to have finally got down to BMI 'normal' (that's 10.12 for me and that means I've lost 3 stone now all told over 3 years!) . I only really want to lose another 5 to 10 lbs , its tempting to try and rush , but I know if I stall again , I could easily become disheartened and start gaining once more.

Thanks for reading this, I'm appreciating the mutual support here, and hope I'm also helping someone by saying this .. Its good to talk eh? . smile

thankyou lby, that is how the sensible part of my brain is reasoning, particularly as I am seeing this as a permanent part of my life, but the stress driven, hormonal part of my brain just won't let me off!!! sad

TalkinPeace2 Tue 11-Sep-12 20:14:43
GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 20:15:25

MamaGeek you might want to try and see how it goes. Honestly, I do not calorie-count on my eating days, and my maintenance level of calories is similar to yours (2200). I certainly do not restrict to under 2000 calories, and I'm averaging 2-3lbs loss a week. I am doing 4:3.

I suspect the diet is not simply about calorie reduction, perhaps fat is being burned more efficiently on fast days. I don't know. But I know a few of you are counting and planning ahead what your calorie deficits will be for the week and what they equal in terms of pounds lost, and I'm not sure that's exactly how it's working for me.

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 20:15:27

sexbomb Please do give yourself permission.. you have lot on your plate right now and you need to be kind to yourself in a difficult time . it doesn't mean you have to go totally mad , but only leaving it for a week or so.. (like me above) . i'm going to keep checking in , just so I keep in the loop ,and you could too
Good luck with your Dad.

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 20:16:42

greeneggs i've PM'd you

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 20:16:53

DUCKS am watching that as well. smile Planning my bread baking for tomorrow...

captainmummy Tue 11-Sep-12 20:28:09

Well I consider my first fast day a bit of a sucess!
Had a boiled egg, some homemade tomato soup and a bit of salad, low-fat mayo and ham just now. MFP says I have had about 400 cals, but as a Low-carber I am more worried about the 48g of Carbs I had today - mostly from the passata in the soup!(32g in 500g pack) I try to keep under 30g carbs/day, and i hope i don't feel the effects tomorrow.

(Also I did notice that the low-fat mayo tasted so sweeet! After months of the real stuff, i think i'll just give low-fat a miss in future fast days)

LookBehindYou Tue 11-Sep-12 20:29:07

Thanks for your confession Laska but I'm not sure what you're confessing to. 1200-1300 calories is far too little so I'm glad you're rethinking that.

Laska42 Tue 11-Sep-12 20:30:41

Vanity I think LBY !

beamme Tue 11-Sep-12 20:38:40

TalkinPeace2 interesting reading thank you. Something to think about, but since I don't drink the quantities they are talking about I'm not sure how relevant it is too me.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 11-Sep-12 20:47:00

beamme the fizzy drink issue came up in one of Dr Mosely's earlier programmes ....

Lagartijadoesthecrazyshake Tue 11-Sep-12 20:54:09

I'm not calorie counting AT ALL on feed days and I really don't think that's the point of this. I eat whatever I fancy. Obviously I wouldn't have 3 large pieces of chocolate cake or an entire packet of hobnobs or a whole tube of pringles etc etc, but mostly because I'm not hungry enough to do that. I thought the whole point of this was to eat normally on feed days?

My most recent feed days included things like:
Breakfast: very large bread roll buttered with scrambled eggs or ham
Coffee with loads of milk and 1 sugar mid morning
Lunch: Pasta (quite reasonable serving) with cheese and tomato, a yoghurt and a square of chocolate
Coffee with milk, 1 sugar
2 toasted pitta breads, with mayo, lettuce, tomato and ham. A custard pudding. 3 squares white chocolate.

Fast days I don't really calorie count as such, I don't eat til lunch and then I have things I reckon are low calorie (without counting) or small enough portions of things (that aren't high calorie).
Seems to work OK.

RightBuggerforGOLD Tue 11-Sep-12 20:58:47

Thanks Talkinpeace, food for thought there! Not sure I can diet without diet fizzy though, I tend to drink it instead of snacking, it's like a replacement habit. Might think about giving it up in a stone's time, when I don't need it for that.

It's supposed to be a fast day tomorrow, but I'm having a little party with snacky food and cake, so might switch it for Thursday, but that will mean having consecutive fast days on Thursday and Friday (because I really don't want to have a fast day at the weekend - that's why I do 4:3 rather than ADF). Hmmmm.

beamme Tue 11-Sep-12 21:13:42

Again thank you talkinpeace2, will admit I haven't seen all of Dr Mosely's programmes. The articles do make interesting reading but I'll have to do alot more investigating to make an informed decision.

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Tue 11-Sep-12 21:25:24

Largart I totally read that initially as your usual menu on a fast day!!

2nd fast day today - eaten all but my frozen yoghurt and strawberries I'm having with DS later. He has gym class followed by swimming lessons, so weird making sure he's getting tons of calories in him to see him through and restricting myself so much!

When is everyone weighing themselves? I weighed myself about 6 weeks ago at 10st 6lb then yesterday morning (after a fast day) at 10stone (well, 140.03lbs) but assuming that's because I ate hardly anything the day before - so is it better to weigh yourself on say the morning of a fast day, before you would normally start eating, to get a true amount? Weight is a tough one though - I'm trying to train for a mammouth bike ride too so eventually will start building muscle so I suppose better to go on how my clothes feel on me.

interesting about keeping up calories on feed days - shouldn't be too hard tomorrow, have a massive dinner out plus cocktail planned for the evening!

I am soooooooooooooooooo hungry.... (its only 1:30pm here)

Skinnyeye Tue 11-Sep-12 21:45:13

Hi all eating day for me only managed to get 1000 cals down but am making it up with wine. Lost 4 pounds in week 1 but am really struggling to eat enough after a fast day even though I know I have to. Anybody else having this "problem"? Never though I would be posting that I couldn't manage to eat enough LOL! will try and eat more tomorrow before Thursday's fast. Hang in there fasters you're nearly there smile

TalkinPeace2 Tue 11-Sep-12 21:46:47

I weigh myself every Tuesday after my swim and before my class on the uber accurate scales at the gym ... do not have scales at home

Thina Tue 11-Sep-12 21:59:28

Thanks for the links, and the advice, and support guys x

GreenEggsAndNichts Tue 11-Sep-12 22:01:28

I weigh myself about twice a week. I weigh myself after a feed day sometimes, and sometimes after a fast day. I don't want to get too hung up on small shifts in weight as the nature of the diet means that some days you'll have more food processing in your system than on others. I'm not just a few pounds from my goal grin so as long as the numbers are going down (average 2-3 lbs a week) I'm happy with that.

I always weigh first thing in the morning, regardless, though.

BuntCadger Tue 11-Sep-12 22:03:19

I officially love my dh grin. We are on fast day and he went shopping and found the most yummy naughty low calorie munch!

Pink and whites, huge wafer with pink and white mallow and only 50 calories! Sat here scoffing with an options Belgium choc (40 cal), after Harley's jelly (3 cal) and I've still got another 50 cal or so to play with before I reach 500cal. Dd nursed extra last night too so I've given her a total of 6 long feeds so I think I could even creep over the 500 cal. envy @ dh having 600 cal allowance

Paddington76 Tue 11-Sep-12 22:17:47

I have had an iffy feed day today. TOTM is due, my lunch was awful so I only ate about half and after yesterday's fast I was starving so indulged on far too much choc and crisps during an accidental visit to the shops. Normally this would end in me throwing in the towel, assuming I'd ruined it but I will carry on with my planned fast day tomorrow and see how I get on.

Just watched the Horizon programme on You Tube and have to say I found the science behind it fascinating, even though my driving force is weightloss at the moment.

poachedeggs Tue 11-Sep-12 23:03:16

Glad I'm fasting tomorrow. Had the most enormous meal tonight (CPD and dinner so it was for work purposes) and feel awful for it. I was more comfortable hungry! This really makes you think about your body and its response to what you put in it.

Mega busy day tomorrow so fasting will be easy. Hopefully!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Wed 12-Sep-12 03:02:11

So much hungrier today than last fast day. Been so busy so actually have prob burnt more calories which has made me hungrier, and started the day with a bike ride to Pilates and back. Might lay off proper exercise on fast days, a literally about to crack. Going to bed early to get the day over with!

GirlWithTheMouseyHair Wed 12-Sep-12 03:14:17

so everyone who sees this as a long term WOE, can you therefore see yourself just going hungry twice a week? After Sunday being relatively easy today has made me wonder if I can actually do it long term. Maybe once I've lost the last bit of weight just once a week wil be enough to sustain it?

About to eat my own foot!

HorryWinwood Wed 12-Sep-12 06:16:12

Fast day today, my 6month old decided 4am was playtime and has been awake ever since, Berocca Boost for breakfast for me!

Paddington76 Wed 12-Sep-12 06:35:13

GirlWithTheMouseyHair I was debating going for a run today (second fast day) but was worried about that too. I think i will settle for a walk with the dog and go tomorrow instead. I don't think burning three quarters of my daily food allowance is a good idea when I am eating so little.

On another note slept so much better last night than on my first fast day.

TellMeLater Wed 12-Sep-12 06:49:20

Fast day today, will do an intense exercise session today...will probably sleep the rest of the day. I think it could become a permanent way of eating but it'll be reduced in frequency around the time of my period because I find it too tough and I think if I'm struggling that much it's best avoided. I haven't lost any weight yet - I live in hope, maybe it helps me maintain, I'm clinging onto the health benefits.

Mrsjohnnydepp123 Wed 12-Sep-12 06:59:08

HELLOOOO, wow finally after reading all your threads ladies about this new diet i thought i would try and join you, after trawling everywhere on the forum i found you!!!!grin
Well i tried my 1st 2 fast days, yesterday was hard but im hoping to reap the beneifits of both health and weight loss.
Can i ask some dumb questions as im still getting my head around things.. 1st can i have what i want more or less on feast days??? 2nd can i also have alcohol? 3rd Is there somewhere on here where i can see people fast days menu's? questions, questionsgrin.

OHforDUCKScake Wed 12-Sep-12 07:41:22

I was going to go to 700cals yesterday because if the whole breastfeeding/faint thing. But I did 600 and feel absolutely fine.

Does anyone know why Id feel utterly rotten on one fast day (right into the next day) and cope/feel fine the next?

I started 10.6

And this morning im 10.01

5lb in just over a week. I wonder how much of it is water. My muffin top is significantly smaller though which Im over the moon with as thats the only bit that bothered me.

Laska42 Wed 12-Sep-12 07:50:32

GirlWTMH I'm thinking Mondays will be 500 cal days once i've got down to my desired weight (i'm only thinking 5-12lbs more).. someone up thread said her parents used to have Mondays 'off' to make up for the weekend and i also used to know someone who did that who was always slim event though he'd party at weekend .. so sounds like a good idea

* Mrsjohnnydepp* you can in theory eat what you like including wine on food days... but the consensus here is that its best if you keep to healthy choices as much as you can .. (Having said that plenty of people are eating cakes biscuits pizza etc) but its sensible not to go mad, you are not trying to completely make up for fasting days so just not the whole packet. I've had takeaways and wine (but have limited the carbs as it suits me) , but plenty here are not worried about carbs..

Sounds confusing? You'll get some better idea of what people are eating if you keep reading.

I suggest you first calculate your basal rate to find out what calories you should be eating to remain the same weight and use that as a guide. A couple of pages back there are some links to a BMR calculator . Look for Greeneggs, mine and Mintyy's posts (prob around page 11).. the explanation is there .

Food day for me ..scrambled eggs scoffed , coffee made .. must work now ..

catsrus Wed 12-Sep-12 07:57:09

Hi MrsJohnny

I've been eating what I want on non fast days, and drunk wine. Am out for a Thai meal tonight (second this week due to visitors) so will probably have a satay or tempura starter, a Green curry, some interesting veg and rice. I may have a pudding and I will have wine. Tomorrow I'm going out to lunch with colleagues and it will be Italian. Experience tells me I will still lose weight this week grin.

I'm not binging or overheating on non fast days, but I have found my appetite reduced overall and I do seem to be generally eating healthily so am really enjoying my treats like meals out when I don't have to worry about "keeping to a diet"! I am not eating any low fat 'diet' foods apart from the odd diet coke (yes I know it's not good, but it's a treat!) and am concentrating on unprocessed food as far as possible. I might get my calories up on a non fast day by eating some nice cheese and having an oil rich salad dressing as I don't want my body to adapt to a low calorie intake before I reach my goal. This has happened too often over the years sad.

I've just done two fast days in a row and the second was hard - I'm going to try not to do that again as I find the one day very manageable so long as I can have a normal eating day the next one.

Anyway having failed to kick start weight loss since the menopause a few years ago I have now lost 8lb in 4 weeks and am over half way there. I am grin grin grin grin about it!

It doesn't seem to suit everyone but fingers crossed it works for you.

captainmummy Wed 12-Sep-12 08:27:18

Strange - aafter my first fast day yesterday I wasn't really that huingry when I went to bed but woke at about 3.30 starving! Went back to sleep but this morning (eatting day) i made 2 hardboiled eggs and mayo with celery - and ate only half of it! Just not hungry.

Back to Low-carbing now, i'm only doing 6.1 so that's it until next tues.

MamaGeekChic Wed 12-Sep-12 08:37:42

Weighed in this morning and only lost 1lb in my first week, slightly disappoint as I'm used to big losses in the first week of following other diets. However, as I feel so positive about it as a WOE I'm not even tempted to throw the towel in. Also, thinking about it last night, I feel much calmer about losing weight this time, as much as I'd like to wake up tomorrow a couple of stone lighter and minus my post pg stretchmarks I'm not slimming for a holiday in a couple of months or stressed about it- 1lb a week is fine, as long as its consistent I'd be a stone lighter by christmas.

Feed day today, up early to get DD off to nursery even though I'm on holiday. Had a coffee and a couple of jaffa cakes so far... plan for the rest of the day:

Lunch- fishcakes with beetroot and salad

Snack- banana muffin (if I drag myself to the kitchen to bake them)

Dinner- chicken in breadcrumb, baked potato, beans not exactly healthy but really fancy it

Pudding- meringue with berries

Looking forward to another fast day tomorrow!

HappyOrchid Wed 12-Sep-12 08:50:07

I was supposed to fast yesterday, but couldn't resist the hotel buffet breakfast, pizza that was delivered for lunch and then when I got home from Italy I polished off some sandwiches. Oh well, fast today I'm in an Employment Law seminar for at least 3 hours so no opportunity to snooze eat.

Good luck to anyone fasting today.

2012fan Wed 12-Sep-12 09:03:52

What I love about this diet is the simplicity of having just one rule - eat 500 calories or less on 2 days a week and you'll reap health benefits and lose weight. It's simple and it works. I have had food (and drink - yes pepsi max sometimes!) on eating days since doing 5:2 that I've not eaten in years. White bread sandwiches, Magnums, chips, copious amounts of Italian white wine etc. Not huge amounts - I don't binge eat and I'm not a chocolate lover - but enough not to feel deprived. I don't feel guilty because I feel great and have lost 6lbs in 3 weeks. Simples! smile

GreenEggsAndNichts Wed 12-Sep-12 09:09:45

GirlWithTheMousyHair I see it as a long-term WOE because the fast days aren't making me feel as if I'm "going hungry" anymore. The first one was very difficult, the second was tough as well, but since then (tomorrow will be a month) I've felt quite okay on fast days. The only thing about them is that I realise how many of my activities involve eating, so I have to plan my social/private life accordingly.

Am doing 4:3 but imagine I'll change to 5:2 once I get closer to target.

OHforDUCKScake Wed 12-Sep-12 09:35:54

Same 2012 Im allowing myself white bread and Im shock losing weight.

LouiseDavies Wed 12-Sep-12 09:35:58

Second fast day of the week for me.Weighing and Zumba tonight. Just tea until lunchtime when I'll have home made veg soup and a salad totalling around 180 calories. Had chilli last night so will have the same for tea but without the rice and garlic bread! Tip for those with a sweet tooth. Ready made Hartley pots of sugar free jelly (under 10 cals) with a spoonful of reduced fat greek yogurt total below 30 calories and satisfies on a fast day smile

ChazsGoldAttitude Wed 12-Sep-12 09:49:00

Impromptu fast day for me today as I woke up this morning and wasn't hungry so decided to fast today rather than tomorrow.

I bought an Innocent Veg Pot on my way in to work so I am sorted for my first meal around 2pm. Coffee and herbal tea until then.

rowingboat Wed 12-Sep-12 10:17:11

Hi all it's so busy on here now, this way of eating has really caught the attention of the media now so it is going together busier I reckon! Hi to everyone just starting out and cheer for everyone fasting today, including me.
So far have had a herb tea and feeling ok. Planning to have a coffee with milk between 11 and 12, will see how I hold out....
Just the usual to eat I reckon an egg and carrots for lunch with a cup of tea later and then some lentil soup and radishes and carrots.
I can't really be bothered with cooking an elaborate low calorie fears - I like this regime because it's easy - too lazy to cook! smile
I have a yucky cold and am interested to see what impact fasting has upon it.
Laksa could you have a couple of days of just normal, no calorie counting meals to see if it resets your metabolism when you fast? Is it 4:3 you are doing?it won't be the same without you on here!

rowingboat Wed 12-Sep-12 10:18:41

That was supposed to read low calories feasts. I got predictived!

WilfSell Wed 12-Sep-12 10:50:10

Update!

Looks like [crosses fingers] my blip was a blip. Back down - after an eating day yesterday, to my lowest weight so far, give or take an ounce, so happy with this.

Fasting today so off shortly for my morning coffee and then won't eat till tonight.

I have decided that the fruit and lattes I was having as 'lunch' are actually not helping. I don't feel hungry after them particularly, but somehow I just find it easier to eat nothing until I'm in 'eating' mode later IYSWIM. If I graze, even on fasting days, it feels harder. Of course, I'm still having a few calories, with a splash of milk in my tea/coffee, but I can cope with that.

I think this is my 8th week (will check properly) and I can safely say that this is the LONGEST I have been on any WoE/diet without massive weekends of going nuts (ie eating/drinking) and then feeling depressed about it, and thinking 'oh I can never lose weight what's the point) and then forcing myself to suffer back on SW/WW/Low Carb.

Everything is feeling so balanced in my head, even though the fasting is hard. No more food guilt/addiction is REALLY really great for me. smile

Slimandhappy Wed 12-Sep-12 10:52:34

Weighed in this morning after 2 more fast days and am a total of 9lb from since I came back from Greece 2 weeks ago! I am OVERJOYED!!! Have been given a diet called the chemical diet where you are supposed to lose 14 in a week so I am going to do that one just Monday to Friday next week, then back to 5:2 the following week. There is a forum on here about the other diet but just wondered if anyone else has had any success with that one too? I have another 2.5 stone I want to lose. Addicted to this thread btw x

Slimandhappy Wed 12-Sep-12 10:54:13

Wilfsell how much have you lost so far? Well done you being so in the zone smile

WilfSell Wed 12-Sep-12 10:59:12

Here's my rules, for the newbies:

Fast 3, eat 4
No calorie counting for me, although I already have a fair bit of knowledge about what's in what from years of dieting.
On fast days, I eat very little all day, including a bit of milk in tea/coffee. I have a Bovril/bouillon drink mid afternoon to keep me going, then an apple while cooking kids' tea. I then have a big pile of veg and a tiny bit of protein in the evening, with a small amount of oil if I need to: eg a chicken stir fry for tonight, or pea and ham soup, or steamed veg with sesame oil, plus whatever cold meat is in the fridge. Milky drink (eg hot milk with cinnamon and sweetener) in the evening if I've got sweet cravings.

On feed days I genuinely eat what I like, also no calorie counting or restricting. I find I don't pig out all day, though I often have things I want. Yesterday I had a bowl of cereal for breakfast, a cheese sandwich for lunch, fruit and cake with the kids in the afternoon, meatballs potatoes and veg with the kids in the evening, and then I had a beer with DH later and a couple of chocolates! I probably eat slightly more than I should on feed days but for me, losing slowly and not having to worry about what I eat is crucial. I'm happy to lose a lb a week for a year or two to get to where I want to be, as long as I can then adapt this WoE beyond that to maintain things.

When I'm a bit lighter, and my knees can take the strain a bit more than they can currently, I hope to do more exercise on feed days too, but i'm taking it VERY slowly right now which works sustainably.

SolarSparkle Wed 12-Sep-12 11:00:21

Hi [Wilfsell]

Gr8 post! I'm doing the ADF ....& only have one meal in the evening on my Fast days, 3 cups of tea & a few glasses of water throughout the day.

Fasting today...... finding it easier when I'm in work smile

WilfSell Wed 12-Sep-12 11:01:00

Hi slim, only 7lb in 8 weeks, given my blip upwards last week, but as I say I am happy as long as the overall trend is gently down, as this is more about slowly re-educating my brain for me, rather than a quick fix. I have a lot of weight to lose so I need something I can work with forever, not just try and then go back to a dodgy WoE.

rowingboat Wed 12-Sep-12 11:37:25

Good to hear your blip has unblipped Will! I have a weigh in tomorrow morning and if no change to weight I might well move to 4:3.

Laska42 Wed 12-Sep-12 11:40:42

rowingboat not leaving (i've become slightly obsessed with this BB ,when i really should be working (at home) hmm). I'm just trying to eat more on feed days and leaving it a few days until next fast ..(unless i wake up tomorrow or next with a nice loss 'cos then ill know im not stalled! .

Today i'm planning on eating more than I have been so far on eating days , so for mid morning snack just had a couple of h/m pittas made with feta, chorizo and pesto in the dough .. mmmmm.

Right if you see me on here again before 5pm . TELL ME TO GET BACK TO WORK !!!!

OHforDUCKScake Wed 12-Sep-12 13:11:27

Im on an eating day and I dont want to eat everything in the house like I did after the last fasting day.

My appetite seems to have settled right down.

Im LIKING this diet!

Paddington76 Wed 12-Sep-12 13:22:58

That's comforting DUCKS, I was awful yesterday after first fast day, felt like I could eat for Britain.

Feeling hungry at the minute but sure that is cos my body knows it should be lunchtime. Just having a nettle tea and riding the storm.

Hope all you other fasters are coping ok today?