5:2 Diet Thread

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kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:11:14

http://www.healthyfellow.com/511/alternate-day-fasting-interview-part-1/

Thread for anyone wanting to try the 5:2 diet mentioned on Horizon. It involves picking 2 fast days a week and eating 500 calories in one meal on the fast days.

The other 5 days, you eat a normal diet note to self, does not mean pig out for 5 days

Give it a try & let us know how it's going.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:32:58

Hi Kotinka, thanks for the thread.
I will give it a go. Not sure I can do one meal straight off though so may split into 2 and work up to it.

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 10:33:37

I'm into my third week & have lost 8lbs so far (BMI was 36 after birth 4th baby).

I'm doing ADF rather than 5:2 because I have more weight to lose. My dh has just started 5:2 for health reasons (he has a high risk of Alzheimer', grandfather diagnosed at 50 & father in his 60s) - he is slim & doesn't want to lose weight though reducing fat % would be bonus.

ADF suits me - when I've tried typical diets I feel hungry through the day because you are encouraged to eat breakfast & snacks- the more times I eat in the day the hungrier I feel. Fasting makes me less hungry, in my usual eating pattern I miss breakfast & lunch & typically eat a small meal at 3ish then dinner with my dh at 7:30ish - I just eat too much of the wrong stuff wink

Yesterday was a non-fast day, I had a couple of cups of white coffee for breakfast, late lunch was a veggie sausage (grilled)/salad/boiled egg sandwich (no butter or dressing but I wouldn't use either normally), dinner was steamed veggie & a slice of homemade mushroom pizza (basically small portion of what the kids were having). Lots of water & a couple of cups of tea during the day.

Today is a fast day & I usually have the same most days, sometimes fish rather than egg - white coffee (I hate black & count milk into my calories), boiled egg, leafy salad, steamed veggies & miso soup. Sometimes I split sometimes just one meal.

I don't low carb particularly on either day (makes me feel very very ill & I want something that I can maintain easily - i.e. must be able to eat what rest of family is) & I aim to keep protein low-ish (around 40g) on fast days. I'm avoiding cakes/chocolate/biscuits entirely because I can consume a huge amount of calories in no time at all & it is easier to not eat them at all than portion control - that mean calories intake on non-fast day probably less than before but I'm not trying for low calorie particularly & don't calorie count. I don't have alcohol on fast days.

So far I've found it really easy - first few days were hard (chocolate withdrawal!). I would find it impossible to give up my coffee & I occasionally feel a bit light headed on fast days if I do I split the calories rather than one meal.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 10:33:39

I'm in grin This is my fist fast day, going fab so far, no hunger pangs! Hoping to have a 250 cal meal at 12 and another at 5ish. I have been drinking pomegranate green tea all morning.

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 10:34:16

I'm in for a go! Not eaten since 8pm last night, plan on one dinner later today.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:35:13

hiya, whatever works for you alfie, are you starting today?

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:36:39

phlebas, well done! I'm hoping I'll find this more bearable long term than atkins (got bored with the food).

PuppyMonkey Wed 08-Aug-12 10:38:08

I saw the programme and am fascinated. Don't need to lose weight particularly, but the health benefits seemed amazing. My trouble is, i've never really calorie counted and have no idea what a 5/600 calorie meal would be. Any suggestions? On the prog, the scientist suggested a massive omelette meal - but not sure i could do that at work, for instance!

FuntimeFelicity Wed 08-Aug-12 10:39:23

Marking place. I'm 37, 5', 9st 7lbs and carrying it all around my middle and on my boobs. My mum has the early signs of thinning bones so I need to get the excess shifted while I can.

I used to do something similar to this at university, although not out of choice, just because the food and money usually ran out before the end of the week! I survived and certainly felt more alert and was much slimmer grin.
<blithely ignores youth as a factor>

I'm planning on eating my 'fast day' calories as a big breakfast (which is usually the meal we all sit down together at anyway) on a Monday and Tuesday, which is when my willpower is at it's strongest grin.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Wed 08-Aug-12 10:39:52

I'm in - fasting today.
Lovely peach for breakfast and I'll have a M&S Fuller Longer meal for lunch (about 350-400 cals). Then nothing. Lots of water.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 10:44:35

My meals that I have planned today ...

12 pm - 1 boiled egg, some charry toms, pepper sticks, cucumber, an oatcake and a cupasoup - will take me to 240 cals

5pm - 2 x Youngs Cod in parsley sauce & steamed cauliflower, should be under 250 cals (fish is 200 exactly).

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 10:44:54

yeah I was vegetarian which makes low carb difficult - I've recently began eating fish sometimes which helps but can't be major part of my diet. I don't enjoy the Atkins type foods particularly so it just won't work for me. I used to do 2 & 3 day fasts in my 20s but couldn't do that now!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:45:18

Hi everyone.

Yes kotinka I'm going to give it a whirl today. I ate something at 9pm last night so going to see if I can get through to lunch and keep it low cal around 250 and then eat at 5.
So far had copious amounts of black
Coffee.
Are you doing the one meal Kotinka?

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 10:45:23

count me in. I'm doing Thursday and Mondays as they are busy work days, also never see DP on Thursday so don't have to watch him eat!

I too will probably start with the calories split over 2 meals. In fact Mosley did that and got great blood work results. I'm not completely against idea of one main meal around 2pm ish. I know if i eat a large sunday lunch i don't want to eat later on. Actually eating one meal at 2pm wont work as its the end of my lunch hour. Maybe I can try one meal at 6pm on Mondays and split the two on Thursdays when its my dreaded late finish. Anyway i 'll weigh in tomorrow morning and that will be my first day.

Good luck to everyone trying this.

I would love to be able to compare my bloodwork like he did though (but i won't be paying for that so not going to happen). My background diet is generally quite good but i am an emotional eater, not got much weight to lose. I do have a fondness for sweet things and cakes/pastries/icecream especially. I've stopped snacking recently as i believe snacking to be the work of the devil! (unless you're having a healthy post or pre work out snack). Very interested in the possibility that this could be a preventative factor to ward off ill health in later life.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 10:52:42

phlebas ditto the effects of snacks on me. I find it much easier to reduce the number of times i eat on any given day as a way to control hunger and avoid just eating a bit more. Basically for me the more often i can eat the more i will eat.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:53:24

Just been thinking. In my twenties I used to skip brekkie and never had to diet. Then read it was bad and you should eat brekkie
hmm Now wonder if this was all a diet industry ploy. hmm

I've already cut sugar out of diet so hoping won't get too many side affects.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:53:25

alfie, If I can do it I'm going through till 10am tomorrow for a 36 hour fast. But my backup plan if I'm about to eat the sofa is to have a small meal about 10 tonight.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:54:39

Blackcats and phlebas, I'm the same.

CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 10:54:54

Count me in. Not eaten yet but going to have porridge and semi skimmed milk for late breakfast/early lunch then think i will have 2 veg sausage with steamed veg for dinner. Getting a bit excited about this!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:59:07

Oh my Kotinka, you are very brave. You can be our ultimate guinea piggrin
Have you fasted before?

It's 11am and first hunger pangs are hitting. Time for another brewwink

I'd be interested in any books on this. Anyone know of any? I'm sure I am a wannabe dietician just too greedy. grin

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 11:03:19

haha, pig definitely!

Yes I had to do 9 days when I was ill with pancreatitis, gall stones etc. It was hell. But the first 3 days were a breeze.

There's one book called "eat stop eat" It's not that great but gives a bit of info. It's not sciencey enough though.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 11:04:55

cagneyNlacey i may steal your food choices!

anyway off to get some frozen fish . Sainsburys have an offer on their frozen quorn products at the moment. Two for £2 , so pretty much 2 for 1. I got two packets of frozen quorn cumberland sauages (6 sausages in each) for £2 .

86 cals per sausage.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 11:08:54

Ha ha you know I mean smile
9 days oh my! Did you just eat very little? My friend had to do very low fat lost loads but put it all back on.

Mosley must have cut his sugar down. This
Must have had some bearing on his bloods. Could it not just be this and restricting cals that worked?

Thanks Kotinka, I will check out that book. I had wheat belly lined up nextblush

unhappyhildebrand Wed 08-Aug-12 11:12:38

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CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 11:12:48

Blackcats, the Linda McCartney red onion and rosemary sausages are only 128 cals for 2, according to fitnesspal- am off to buy some of those plus the cod in parsley sauce, which for 200 cal sounds good, as does the m and s fuller for longer meals!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 11:18:52

Kotinka, the reviews look good thanks

Found this link which is interesting.

pufasandfructose.blogspot.com/2012/04/obesity-my-unexpected-final-conclusion.html

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 11:34:00

That's a good article, alfie, thanks.

Arana Wed 08-Aug-12 11:55:28

Hey I'll join this smile

Put 10kgs on in the last 2 months since I changed meds and started eating loads of shite.

My fast days will be Monday and Wednesday - we get fruit boxes at work, so I'll have a protein shake for breakfast and snack on fruit for the rest of the day and keep dinner small.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 12:02:12

Right.

I am a good 4 stones overweight. Ok, really 5.

I decided I Was Not Going To Be Fat and Forty - so, put on a stone and half in tme for my birthday. Sheesh.

This 5:2 makes sense to me. Will try it, there's no "bad foods" and no Must Do's - so, it'll suit my panicky approach...

Friends fo mine are meeting for a weigh in on a Saturday morning. £5 into th pot. If you gain, £10. Pot to be used for a blow out treat once we are thinner...genius.

So far today, I've had 2 poached eggs, 2 slices wholemeal toast, 0.5tin beans and an apple. And, about 4 cups of tea.

Am off to my fitness pal...

ArthurPewty Wed 08-Aug-12 12:06:05

the key really is quantity.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 12:25:41

I have started this. It really helps to drink plenty of water on your fast days.

flapinko Wed 08-Aug-12 12:30:31

Can I join please? Been meaning to do this for ages, but like another poster said, I'm not that up to speed with calorie counting so ended up guessing and botching it. Think I need a bit of support to get me through the fasting days too, as so difficult to exercise willpower not to pick when you are cooking kids tea, followed by DH's. Interested to see other people's fasting meal choices and how they cope.

MeanMrsMustard Wed 08-Aug-12 12:32:10

Hi, Can I join in too?
I have read the other thread and bits and a few articles, but have not yet watched the tv programme. I'm going to try and find it later on. It sounds very interesting.
I am exactly 13 stone and a size 16 at the moment. I have had a few attempts at losing lately, but really am getting depressed about my looks now, so really need to sort it out.
I have already eaten about 300 Kcals today, so i'll probably have my first fast day tomorrow.
Oh, and i'm on my fitness pal as MeanMrsMustard if anyone wants to add me.

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 12:38:43

I just had half a slice of toast. Am quite hungry now I must say

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 12:38:44

Hi, I've come across from the other thread.

Today is my first day, I am 36, 5" 1 and weigh 9st 7lbs. I want to lose that 7 lbs in time for my wedding.
I'm very fit but have a little extra fat around my middle, arms and boobs to get rid of. I do around an hours exercise 4-5 days a week.

I had two slices of wholemeal toast with marmite and low fat spread this morning, a cup of tea with one sugar and a skinny latte around 11am.

Am now having a mug of bovril.

Tea tonight is two boiled eggs, lots of lettuce, some grated carrot, red pepper.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 12:47:01

It is quite amazing. I think we have all forgotten what it is like to feel hungry we are so used to grazing on food.

Some suggested foods are :
1 Beetroot salad with peeled apple. The peel of the apple has all the nutrients. To avoid the waste stew the rest of the apple and give to children/babies as weaning food or have it on your non fast day
2. Plain omelette
3. Sticks of carrot
3. Wafer thin salmon and rocket salad with beetroot.
4. Tinned mackerel in tomato sauce with rice and green beans/veg.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 12:48:42

Hiya everyone, lets hope this is bearable eh?

I'm 16 hours into my first fast, just had black coffee & old lady herbal tea so far. Just beginning to get a few rumbles, going ok!

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:49:14

Someone asked about a book ... the UpDayDownDay diet by a bloke called Johnson is supposed to be good. He advocates one day fasting/one day not though, but I believe he goes into the science of it all.

Just had my lunch, I wasnt even ravenous when I had it (miracle). The cup-a-soup was rank, so I am going to be better organsied for my nest fast day & make my own veg soup.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 12:51:09

Buggrit.

Just counted up my calories - and my healthy and nutritionally balanced meal of 2 poached eggs, 2 slices wholemeal toast, a scrape of butter and 0.5 tin beans is...778 kcal.

This is what comes of trying every diet invented, doing them all badly and retaining nuggets of twaddle from each one...Slimming World says eggs and beans are "free"

I've been following the 5:2 for two hours - and blown it already.

Buggrit.

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 12:52:06

Veg soup is a great idea. Always fills me up

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 12:52:34

Remember it is not about eating nothing (unless you are doing the alternate day fasting). You are aiming to eat no more than 600 calories on the fast days). Keeping busy really helps as well. If you are getting the rumbles put the kettle on and have hot water. I found that I didn't need tea/coffee and my body had become accustomed to hot/warm water.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:53:40

MeanMrsMustard, have added you on MFP smile

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 12:53:56

Oh it was me stripey, thanks I will check it out. I love self help booksblush

Just had a tin of tomato soup at 260cals which was quite satisfying. I agree we have forgotten what real hunger is.

Niceupthedance Wed 08-Aug-12 12:55:44

I'm in!
Had a meal at 3pm yesterday
7am this morning had a bowl of berries
Will have half a carton of veg soup around 2pm then see how I feel at dinner time.

I am really trying to stop eating refined carbs and aiming for 70% raw food on non fast days. I like the idea of the health benefits of fasting... Maybe too good to be true though?

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:55:54

I plan to keep my fast days low-carb, as carbs make you hungrier. Today wasnt low carb though, as I didnt prepare properly for it sad

HipHopSkipJumpomous Wed 08-Aug-12 12:57:47

nanky your post made me laugh!!! (not in a mean way - In an I CAN RELATE way) grin
What a bummer - just shows how quickly the calories add up! I know if there is butter in the house, I will gain weight smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:59:16

nanky, do you think you can fast for the rest of the day? I really do recommend you plan your fats days the day before, check on myfitnesspal what cals your food is & then stick to it. It will make life much easier with hopefully no slip-ups smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:59:45

Not fats day! FAST! sorry blush

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 13:01:11

I'd love a fats daygrin

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 13:04:54

hip hop - that's a good thing! This is the sort of thing that usually leads me to think "might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" and I'll set about hoovering up everything and anything available...I've been doing rather a lot of "investment eating" in the last three months readying myself for the deprivation of a(nother) diet. 3" on the hips worth. Sheesh. It's just illogical.

Socks - yes, I don't feel remotely hungry. And, am about to go out for a yomp to the bank and supermarket. So, that's good. And, am going to the supermarket for soda crystals And Not Any Wine Or Lardy Items. No.

Planning is the key to being slim (something I have observed, but not mastered), but, my planning usually gets lost in the mire of "wheresma" and squabbling and chaos that is my life...

However, I do feel enouraged that I am "only" 100 and odd kcal over. That's better than normal!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 13:06:59

Nanky, it's still probably better than you would normally do, so just eat lowish today and perhaps do another day tomorrow.
Although, I know I would be tempted to make today the pig out day and start tomozblush

CJCregg Wed 08-Aug-12 13:10:00

Can I join in please?

I feel like a bit of a fad dieter. In the past year I've done Dukan, low-carb and various others, and all I do is lose weight and then binge eat.

I watched the Horizon programme and was blown away by the simplicity of it, and the health benefits.

So, today is also my first fast day. I've had black coffee, tea and water so far. Thinking about what to have for lunch. I hate counting calories. Still, at least it's only 500 grin

I'm really not hungry so far shock

MeanMrsMustard Wed 08-Aug-12 13:12:35

Thanks ILoveStripeySocks. I havent tracked for a while (neither have most of my mfp friends) and it really helps me to see other people on there using it too.

I'm another one who has done lots of diets over the years. I remember an unofficial weightwatchers plan where you split your points unevenly across the week so youd have lots to eat one day and less the next. It seemed to nudge weight loss quite well, so I'm keen to see what the results of this diet are like.

I think I'm going to split my 500kcals into 2 meals too for the beginning at least.

I'm in too, I'm useless at diets and have no willpower, sounds good doesn't it but this looks really simple and I like the idea of 2 on and 5 off. I'm 43, 11 stone and 5'7" and would like to be able to wear my old clothes again.

I'm planning on Monday / Weds as the fast days, so far today I've had some salad with half a portion of salmon, strawberries and a little yoghurt, should be about 250 cals. Small portion of couscous with tomato and veg sauce tonight. I don't think I'l be able to have just one meal so I'm splitting it between two at first.

I'm doing it with Dh, who doesn't need to lose weight but does want the potential health benefits. Plus we might save some cash eating less.

Good luck everyone.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:24:19

I just had a look through my (vast) cookbook collection, and found a very think one called 500 for 500!! Its 500 healthy & nutritious meals for under 500 cals, I think this may be a godsend.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:25:36
kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 13:29:10

alfie - just water, it was a bit extreme, but that's hospital. I did wonder if they just forgot to take the Nil By Mouth card down!

hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 13:34:55

I also watched that, really interesting and I'm going to give it a go. I've got lots of vegetables that I need to use up so I think I'll start fasting tomorrow, possibly.

nutritiondata.self.com/ is a fantastic website that someone linked me to, which lets you search for about a million different foods and gives you a huge range of values for them - not just calorie count but also protein, sodium, and shitloads of other information.

Does anyone think it'd be good to have a thread specifically for 500-calorie meal plans?

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:37:29

hopkin, that might be useful, though I am going to do 2 x 250 cal meals I think (tostart with anyway).

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 13:38:32

hopkinette sounds a good idea, especially since this is going to work best if you eat your 500 calories in one go and then go into the other half of your fast.

Would you set it up pls?

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 13:40:45

I'm in!

Did my first fast day yesterday, which went incredibly well. I felt hungry by 8pm (only ate a bowl of cereal with milk for breakfast, then just water), but not ravenous, and even after making dinner for the children I wasn't tempted to eat anything. I went for a one and a half hour walk during the day, and fasting seemed to have no effect one way or the other on my energy level. I felt... fine.

I'm eating today, then planning to fast again tomorrow. I'm going for a 5:2 rather than ADF.

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 13:45:37

I only ate one meal yesterday, but curious as to why one meal only may be best on fast days? Mosely said in his BBC article that there are no hard & fast rules as there simply hasn't been enough human testing done to determine what works and doesn't. He himself at two light meals.

I was also wondering if, really, in 5:2, the 2 days should be consecutive. But I'm not going there!

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:48:26

On Twitter, Mosely said that he has had to cut back to 6:1 now, as he was losing too much weight! He has 2 meals a day on his fast days, so it must still work fine.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 13:50:40

wheresmyperry, I think it works best because after about 10 (approx guess) hours with no food you've burnt up your glycogen stores and you're using energy from your fat stores. Shorter breaks between meals mean you top up your glycogen so you never quite get into fat burning mode. But you're still restricting calories so you probably would see some weight loss.

Quote from eat stop eat - "After only 24 hours of fasting, the amount of fat being released from people’s fat stores (lipolysis) and the amount being burnt for fuel (oxidation) had been significantly increased by over 50%.

hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 13:54:32

Cool, I'll start it smile

I'm also a bit apprehensive about just having one 500 calorie meal on fast days, to be honest... But if the evidence says that's what gives maximum benefit I'm just going to have to suck it up!

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 13:57:20

Yeah, Kotinka, that's why I was wondering about the 2 days in a row - that a longer period of fasting would have more impact on the underlying health goals.

For me, eating 2 meals on fast days would be more trouble than it's worth - as it's twice you need to worry about food. I'd prefer to have my normal breakfast, which is under 500 anyway, and then tough it out until the next day. But in the absence of hard evidence, I suppose whatever gets you through!

Stripey - interesting Mosely's gone down to 6:1. I wonder how that's played with his bloodwork?

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 13:58:46

Maybe he lost as much fat as he wanted to?

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 14:00:52

Good for him! If 6:1 works as well as 5:2, clearly we'll all be downgrading to 6:1 when we feel our weight is where it needs to be.

greenwichgroove Wed 08-Aug-12 14:05:29

Marking place

drjohnsonscat Wed 08-Aug-12 14:14:53

Interested.

I lost a lot of weight on a vlcd and have managed to keep most of it off for the best part of a year through eating a lot lot less most days - my normal days are probably at about 800 cals (and basically skipping breakfast so there's a 16 hour fast in there anyway) and then I save the rest for dinner out and wrong days where I eat whatever the hell I can! It's sort of working so far.

But interested to see that there's a medical reason to do a version of this too. It's interesting that last week it was all

- avoid yoyo dieting
- always have breakfast
- eat little and often

and this week all that's out the window. Just goes to show how little we still know about this stuff. VLCDs aren't the mainstream "recommended" way forward either but it worked for me so I think the medical profession has got a lot of thinking to do on what works and what doesn't.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 14:27:50

Dr John - that's what I wonder about too!

I have a theory that because (careful I don't trip you up with my sweeping generalisation here) most GP's and dieticians don't have weight issues themselves they don't "get it"

EVERYTHING I have read about diets goes on about eat this it'll fill you up.

Smashing. But, I have no idea what it feels like to actually BE hungry. If I eat, or don't eat, I don't get this sensation - maybe a bit of tummy growling, and a lot of short temperedness, but not "hunger"

So, I'm sunk - I eat because I am sad, or bored, or happy, or busy. Or, because I'm making dinner and it's in my hand so I nibble away as I cook - and beforeI know it, I've eaten a meal's worth of raw carrot and ingrediants...and still eat the dinner because, well, it's dinner time now.

I don't get hungry.

I think this could be a really good way of re-educating myself. Fingers crossed.

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 14:30:21

Up to now, I've always gone very carefully - watch what I eat, exercise, avoid losing more than 1 pound/week. That is sustainable, I lost weight and my weight has stayed more or less the same for a year. I've never done a fad diet.

I'm more interested in the possible underlying health benefits of this.

I'm not overweight, but am in the upper end of a normal BMI, and realise I really should be in the lower end of the 'normal' range.

drjohnsonscat Wed 08-Aug-12 14:36:24

Actually for me nanky, that's spot-on what VLCDs did for me. It helped me work out what it meant to be hungry. And helped me to understand that I could be hungry and it would be ok.

In a normal diet you are holding out for the next meal which might sate you but in a VLCD there isn't a meal coming so you get used to living with hunger (which actually abates after a while anyway). I was also interested to find that hunger doesn't just grow and grow - it grows, then it goes away, then it comes back again. It sort of ebbs and flows. I think I was living with the fear that hunger would eventually overwhelm me (and I do suffer with blood sugar problems so there is a real risk that low blood sugar would just stop me getting on with my day) but a) the hunger doesn't overwhelm - it sort of stops bothering you after a while and b) the blood sugar seems to be much more under control when you eat less, for some reason.

Anyway, it's all v interesting. And I'm interested in the Alzheimers stuff - it's such a horrible disease that we must find a way to stop.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Wed 08-Aug-12 14:52:11

Had my M&F Fuller Longer meal for lunch - I really do love these. Today it was Asian Style hot & sour chicken noodles - 380cals.

So I've done 495 cals today (peach, milk in coffee, lunch).

Nothing more this afternoon and evening.. Just water & herbal teas. But I can do anything for one day & tomorrow I can eat what I like.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 14:57:08

dr john - VLCD, is that something ike Lighter Life? That makes sense if it is - previously I've been very disparaging of things like that...after all, it's not really in Weight Watchers interest for me to lose weight. It's in their interest for me to lose, and then gain, and then lose, and then gain, and then lose....

But, the truth of the matter is that I CAN'T do it on my own. Just tried, and gained 3" on my hips.

Am away to google LL...

drjohnsonscat Wed 08-Aug-12 15:03:49

it's like LighterLife - it was actually called Lipotrim which you get from the chemist (and you do a weigh-in there) - it's basically the cheapo version but the idea is the same.

It's interesting how dismissive people are of VLCDs (and bariatric surgery) because it's not the way it "ought" to be done but actually in my experience VLCDs have a higher success rate than the calorie counting route perhaps because weight loss is more complex than people (and GPs) like to think. I mention bariatric surgery because a close friend had it and it transformed her life. She wasn't stupid or lazy before - she just struggled. And this helped her and now, three years on, her life is on track. She lost probably 8 stone and has kept almost all of it off.

Both of us agree that it was helpful to be able to get back to "the beginning" and to have something to protect (ie, our weight loss). When you are slogging down through half a pound a week of weight loss (or sometimes nothing) it's hard to have the motivation through the months (and years) that are required. For me it was good to have rapid results and then have something to fight to hold on to.

FuntimeFelicity Wed 08-Aug-12 15:06:12

Interesting Nanky. When I was in my teens and 20s, I'd feel full after small meals. It was a standing joke that if we went for a pub lunch and I couldn't get a children's meal, I would be aplogising to the waitress at the end saying, "I'm really sorry, it was lovely but I'm full" with at least 50% still on the plate. I felt properly sick if I ate too much.

Now in my 30s and 2 dc later, I can polish off a pub portion of steak and ale pie and chips without too much problem blush. Bearing in mind I'm only 5' it's a bit shocking.

My diet isn't that bad. I'm not overweight enough to feel that I need to make drastic changes and so general calorie reduction works for a while and then I'm miserable. I like the idea of something that just say 'steady on, take a breather and let your body catch up a bit' IYSWIM.

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 15:06:48

Am starving! Had my Bovril and have been drinking water. Have just had a v small handful of raisins and a v small handful of seeds.

Am still fantasising about tea although because I have had the raisins and seeds I am now down to 1 egg with my green salad, carrot and pepper......

I am hoping this gets easier to do shock

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 15:18:23

Sorry, miniwedge. Can you do something to take your mind off it? The hunger will pass.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 15:30:12

miniwedge how long till your meal time? Keep busy!

Fieldette Wed 08-Aug-12 15:30:42

I've come over from the other thread, I posted there too.

Initially I thought that 5:2 would work best, now I wonder whether doing ADF with Monday, Wednesday and Friday as fast days with my lifestyle.

I can't see that doing ADF but with a two day non-fast (Sat & Sun) in the middle would stop it being as effective.

drjohnsonscat your post about the hunger ebbing and flowing is interesting. Sometimes I feel I am about to keel over with hunger (just generally, not on one of the fast days - which I haven't tried properly yet) and then I eat, but I will be fascinated to see what happens if I just ignore it and keep going.

I would imagine a large part of it is pyscological, we are so used to being 'hungry' and then eating on demand. I guess part of this is learning to really listen to your body and know when it is properly hungry not just 'pretend' hungry or actually thirsty.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 15:40:48

You will get used to the hunger. It doesn't get worse and worse it ebbs and flows. Have some hot/warm water. We are supposed to feel hungry. Its a feeling that many of us have forgotten as we are used to immediately satisfying it.

I think 100g of beetroot has only 37 calories. Thats my saviour.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 16:26:34

Im surprisingly not very hungry! Had lunch at 12pm, and I am going to prolong my inner for as long as I can. DH is going to make dinner for him & the kids, and I am going to hide upstairs because I will fail if i smell/see their scampi & chips!

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 16:27:41

Prolong my dinner!

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 16:28:05

miniwedge it should get easier. When i stopped snacking i was ravenous the first few days but i got used to it and as i started eating a bit more slowly and mindfully at mealtimes my stomach soon shrunk which meant i needed less food. i found drinking lots of water helped.

I have to say i've never got the eat little and often thing, it doesn't work for me. In no snacking cultures such as France they have far lower rates of obesity .

Yes plan ahead! And calorie counting doesnt need to be so boring. Its only 2 days a week and only 500 calories. You will soon know the calories of the foods you are likely to eat. I've just checked out this: a jar of lloyd grossman tomato and basil sauce has 213.50 calories, there's enough sauce in there for 3 portions (at the rate of sauce i like), maybe more with less pasta per meal than i usually have. So divided by 3 that's 71 for the sauce plus 50g dry pasta (not the egg enriched type) is 178 calories, so 249 calories altogether. I'd probably cook the whole lot in one go to save an open jar of sauce being left in the fridge. Eat one portion that day, freeze the other two.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 16:30:12

you could add a huge amount of rocket or spinach to that meal i've just posted for almost zero extra calories, plus its cheap! and healthy!

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 16:32:31

I'm starving too. Walked today, drank a lot of water. But I am enjoying the hunger...although I am quite grumpy with the kids blush

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 16:50:56

cagneyNlacey couldn't get those sausages anywhere!

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 16:56:05

I'm bloody ravenous now too, if it doesn't pass I'll be stopping at 24 hours, 10pm, before I chew all my nails off!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 16:59:56

Hubby has just said shall we have a G & T tonight. Even though he watched it with me and we said we would do together. grin
For some strange reason he has had 6 bananas. (he's not trying to lose weight)

I don't think he gets it. Do you?wink

I'm thinking prawns or couscous for tea.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:04:30

Courtesy oh phacelia on the other thread
250 cal meals whoooooo hoooo

http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/content/recipes/special-diets/under-200-calories/

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:07:19
kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 17:12:01

men - mine just came in & scoffed a plate of toast. He's really trying eh?

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 17:12:50

6 bananas!! that's almost as bad as charles saatchi's egg only diet- didn't he eat 8 eggs a day? why of why? with all that money i'd have had grilled lobster/ grilled fish/ giant grilled prawns every day with a side of green salad, not to mention a platter of tropical fruit, all prepared and cooked by my personal chef of course (i don't mean Nigella!!)
curiously it worked rather well.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 17:14:50

It would, he'd only be eating about 800 calories a day & all the protein would have him feeling full. Wouldn't want to be downwind of him though!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:16:59

I have no idea ((drool drool at the toast))
It will be worth it ladieswink
Full bag if prawns 170cals result. Might treat myself to some apple skin afterwards hmmconfused

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:17:43

It would bung you up something chronic.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 17:24:31

Thanks for that link ALfie!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:27:52

You're welcome stripy.
I'm ogling the cake recipes blush

CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 17:28:20

Christ i am starving!

I have a ww macaroni cheese ready meal in the fridge, it's 352 cals. Sodding porridge and milk for brunch was 241 though and as it's Day 1 i feel like i should be super strict and not go over at all.

Have been out walking all afternoon and had water and decaf coffee all afternoon.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:28:20

Oops stripey. Sorry daft phoneconfused

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 17:31:44

I've had to resort to looking through AIBU to distract myself from thoughts of food!

Think I'll check those recipes out tomorrow alfie grin

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:37:17

Ha ha oops yes I would. You're doing fab.

greenwichgroove Wed 08-Aug-12 17:40:20

Well its 5.40 and I'm not even hungry but I've had to stop myself hunting round for snacks out of habbit. The problem is I usually go to my mums at weekend and she makes stodge so that's where I will struggle.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 17:40:21

a bit posh for everyday but found this in my The Italian diet book by Gino D'acampo . There are a few very low cal ideas in there. Anyway this has 124 calories per portion (serves 4). 1.4g fat per portion, I'd serve with salad only for me and salad plus rice or spuds for DP
http://www.itv.com/food/recipes/rolled-chicken-breast-mushrooms

anyway am done for the day and at work tomorrow so no internet until lunchtime. DP hates me talking about diets as he has type 1 diabetes so its really good to discuss on here. well done today everyone!

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 17:40:40
jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 18:13:13

I'm just going to start cooking Tuna and Tomato Rice (346 calories). I found it in the BBC Good Food Low Fat Feasts.

Harimad Wed 08-Aug-12 18:19:44

Hi all!
Would like to join in...
I'm going to do Mon/Weds/Fri as 500 cal days (read about ADF before hearing about 5:2 and am going half way!).

My first day today and I've had a skinny latte (bfast) with miso soup, a banana and an apple for lunch, and am having salad for dinner. Works out a smidge over 500cals. Am on the train home now and ravenous!

I'm on mfp, Harimad1 - would love the support.
I'm 5' 7" and around 12 1/2 stone (have avoided the scales recently...)

Have high hopes for this one as I love the idea of eating normally half the time!
Hx

greenwichgroove Wed 08-Aug-12 18:26:13

Oh gosh dd has left her bag of cream eggs from cadburys outlet on my bed sad I don't want them I don't want them.....

FelixCited Wed 08-Aug-12 18:39:57

Found you! Coming over from yesterday's thread.
All ready to start tomorrow, going to get some nice herbal teas to take the edge off the hunger smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 18:51:56

Well, thats all my food consumed for day 1 of fasting. Have eaten 488 worth of calories, and I am a teeny bit hungry but nothing I cant cope with. Anything I can nibble for 12 cals? grin

Lunch was salad, dressing, boiled egg, oatcake & a cup a soup
Dinner was 2 portions of cod in parsley sauce & steamed cauliflower

4 cups of green tea, 8 glasses of water.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 18:55:00

Have added you on MFP Harimad smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 18:55:55

Felix, welcome! I have been having pomagranate flavoured green tea, tastes nice & has definitely helped with the pangs!

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 18:57:08

ILoveStripeySocks a cup of that veg bouillon stuff? 10 calories for a 5ml spoonful.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 18:58:25

hello harimad & felix & all you other brave souls ;-)

My first fast's nearly over, YAY!!

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 19:03:03

I had two litres of water, three cups of tea, half a slice of toast and a small portion of curry with pepper, onion, mushroom and chicken with brown rice for tea. I feel quite lightheaded.......am going to do my two days back to back this week. Tomorrow will be planned better!

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 19:05:09

eek! 2 days back to back! I was going to do 36 hours but I can see me bailing after 24.

Today I've had black coffee & odd herbal tea. I feel fine apart from hungry, not as tired as usual.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:06:37

kotinka, are you doing a no-food-at-all fast?

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 19:07:20

yes, just as a wee experiment.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 19:08:13

Wow. This is great. I have a good feeling about using MN and MFP to get healthier.

After my balls up lovely 700kcal brunch, I am only now starting to get a weeny bit hungry.

Been drinking water every time I feel hungry - and, amazeballs - it GOES AWAY. And, I have not vanished into a greasy spot.

Did some walking today too. And, more amazeballs - did not eat the kids' sweets. (this is a first. I pretend it's to "save their teeth" But, really, it's that I like haribos)

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 19:09:14

Good for you Nanky!

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 19:11:53

Evening all! Thank you so much for your support earlier, kept telling myself the hunger would go and it did! Kinda.......

Have just had evening meal and a absolutely stuffed. I had boiled egg, loads of lettuce, rocket, 1 large grated carrot and a dessert spoon of low fat cottage cheese.

I actually can't believe how full I am, I'm hoping this works for me, those seven lbs just will not shift!

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 19:12:04

well done everyone. I loved my Tuna and Tomato rice and amazingly so did the rest of the family.

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 19:12:52

Ps; I don't know how to add people in mfp, I am hanchlo if that helps?

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 19:13:41

I feel absolutely stuffed - I was expecting that!

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 19:13:50

miniwedge well done on sticking it through. That's a very virtuous tea you had there too, that's got to help, surely.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:15:35

Mini, go to community, then find members, and you can add names there smile Ill add you now.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:18:48

I am ILoveSTripeySocks on MFP too, if anyone would like to add me.

MadBusLady Wed 08-Aug-12 19:22:45

<comes in late> Can I join?

I haven't seen the prog yet, but DP is always on about intermittent fasting and all manner of other crazy lifestyle stuff he finds on the internet so I'm going to give it a go tomorrow.

I eat generally low carb, not terribly strictly, and that brought me down from 13st to 11st 10lbs in a couple of months. Then I trickled down to about 11st 7lbs and I've basically been stuck there ever since. I'm 5'7, slightly larger than average build so I think I should be aiming for 10st 7lb maybe? That was my mid-twenties weight, which feels right teen weight was 9st 7lbs which is way too hard .

Just got my veg box so will make some kind of nice soup for my main meal tomorrow. The low-fat side of this (fats being calorific) is going to take some getting used to as a low carber. Is anyone else solving that problem any particular way?

Don't know what I'm going to do without lots of cups of proper tea either, I LUFF tea.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:25:47

Mad, Ive come straight from low-carb to this, but I still found it easy. If you stick to veg soup/salad/eggs, you can keep to the low carb principles quite easily.

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 19:32:16

I have white tea & coffee on fast days, I just count the milk calories towards the 400.

I'd rather enjoy my coffee than have extra food tbh! I noticed on twitter that Mosely was talking about including a latte in the calorie & protein count & I can't see that having white coffee/tea is a problem apart from having fewer calories for food. Might be wrong though!

Finished my food for today - ended up with 404 calories & 30.5g of protein which seems to be about what I average. I split it today because I have a cold & am feeling ill.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 19:35:55

Please add any tasty meal recipe ideas to the thread

chocoraisin Wed 08-Aug-12 19:41:33

jumping in... well watching the thread anyway Does anyone know if this is something you shouldn't do while breastfeeding? I'd love to shift a bit of baby weight but I don't want to dry up in the meantime.

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 19:49:45

I'm still breastfeeding - but baby is 14 months old & I've dieted at this point with the previous three (including vlc) & know that it doesn't affect my milk supply. I don't think there would ever be advice to say that it is fine but it hasn't caused problems for me or ds. I wouldn't do it while I had a baby who was still exclusively breastfed though.

CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 20:04:51

Well I have to say that so far i don't feel too bad. Am going to do 500 tomorrow as well and then go back to my usual Slimming World for 5 days. SW eating is going to seem incredibly luxurious after this!

Harimad Wed 08-Aug-12 20:05:16

Anyone else got a headache? sad
Glugging water now - think I was dehydrated...
Busy planning yummy foods for my non-fast day tomorrow now grin

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 20:14:35

I did have but its gone now. I might spoil myself and have a handful of carrot batons.

Dosey Wed 08-Aug-12 20:27:21

Hi there ladies can I just ask a quick question. I had my last meal at 6pm today so if I fast for 24 hours does that mean I can I have a good meal tomorrow night at 6pm. i am thinking that If I only have 500 calories tomorrow then start to eat normally on Friday, say a breakfast 6am, that will be 36 hours of fasting.

chocoraisin Wed 08-Aug-12 20:30:21

thanks phlebas, DS is still EBF so maybe I should just wait for a few months. <tries not to look relieved>

hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 20:34:18

phlebas can you tell me what your protein consisted of for today?

hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 20:36:12

And does anyone know if there's a lower limit for protein on a fast day? I think the Italian bloke in the red convertible said it needed to be 60g max, but is there a minimum value?

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 21:15:07

Dosey, I know that people do it that way on the ADF, but not sure if it works with this. Would be interesting to find out!

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 00:48:37

Ooo... Can I join in pls? Just watched the program on iplayer and it makes so much sense. If I know Im only depriving myself one day, then I'm an angel. It's the constant thought of deprivation that makes me silly!!!

I need to lose about 2 1/2 stone, ideally before Xmas. So here we go!

First fast day tomorrow.

Plan to have:
Chicken soup
Apples
Water
Lemon and ginger tea.

smile

My name is suja1983 on myfitnesspal for anyone who wants to add me. smile

CJCregg Thu 09-Aug-12 07:03:48

Well, I did Day 1 yesterday and I feel brilliant. Woke up at 6.30 this morning full of energy and am looking forward to literally breaking my fast a bit later.

I ate quite scrappily yesterday, which probably wasn't great, but I had to do a long drive with the DC and didn't have time to get proper meals together. So I had miso soup (17 calories, folks grin), some fruit and veg, yoghurt and a big cappuccino on the road hmm. Lots of water, and black and herbal tea.

As others have said, the hunger comes and goes in waves but it was perfectly handleable. And already I feel less bloated today. And so much more aware of some of the food choices I make.

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 07:13:34

Great news CJ. I also did day one yesterday and am too feeling brilliant this morning and full of energy even considering doing day two today as it won't happen over the weekend

In the end I just decided to go as long as I could without food. I drank tea with milk and black coffee and water throughout the day. I had some melon and strawberries at 4pm then a full dinner of two quorn sausages, one boiled egg, one slice of toast, rocket salad with a bit of balsamic.

It tasted so good! But, the fasting was easier than expected. Wasn't too hungry and just tried to keep busy during the day.

CJCregg Thu 09-Aug-12 07:17:32

It's good, isn't it? grin

What is strange is how much less deprived I felt than if I'd been 'dieting'. This routine is perfect for me because I work much better on an 'all or nothing' basis, and I'm hoping that a few more days of 'nothing' might help me stop the 'all' that goes on far too much hmm

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 07:35:25

Totally agree CJ smile

I too am all or nothing and therefore it was definitely easier to just not eat and then look forward to dinner with DH. I forgot to mention that I too do not feel bloated which is nice. Surprisingly I also do not feel too hungry either, thought I'd be absolutely ravenous today.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 07:40:40

Well I woke up feeling pretty tired. Think that's more down to a late night. Going for day two. I ate at 530pm last night so will have a light snack of melon at lunch time and dinner later to give me 16 hours of fasting. I am a pound lighter today but that's got to be water weight and I'll get it back when I start eating normally over the next five daysgrin ps I read 30g of protien for fast days

miniwedge Thu 09-Aug-12 08:03:05

Well it's the morning after for me grin

I woke up feeling great although I had to get up in the night to wee copiously. That would be all the water I drank then ......
I've had toast this morning and a cup of tea, I feel really full up. Almost uncomfortable.
Tomorrow is another fast day for me so I will be weighing in on Saturday out of curiosity I think more than anything. I doubt I will have dropped any weight.
I am definitely planning a better breakfast for tomorrow, I don't think the toast although it was wholemeal was a great choice.

Good luck all those who are fasting today!

unhappyhildebrand Thu 09-Aug-12 08:03:32

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

squidworth Thu 09-Aug-12 08:10:59

I started yesterday I lost 4 stone 3 years ago but I have gained a stone back so am trying this not just to lose but to make sure I do not regain anymore. The fast day was ok I hate eating breakfast so had a late lunch. To make the first day easy I took kids to pizza express and had the 500 kcal pizza, asked for no dressing and left a tiny bit just to be sure it was under 500. As the pizza looked large psychologically I felt full and content. Have not woke up hungry may have a milky coffe just to break the fast. Hope it works for all of you.

Slimandhappy Thu 09-Aug-12 08:18:12

Hi guys I started my first fast yesterday and found it easy went to circus with kids and had half a punnet of raspberries at 15 cal as a treat! Looking forward to hearing everyone's results snd tips, I think this could finally be the way forward for healthy and happy results!! Off to work now with my cuppa soup!

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 08:41:03

Feeling hungry when I woke up, had a pint of hot water, 1/4 plate of salad (no dressing) and 3 olives hmm. Off to work now planning to have soup and then low fat dinner with family.

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-Aug-12 08:46:15

Tentatively joining in smile
Before watching the programme, I looked at the genesis diet and have downloaded all the information and was aiming to start today. But, looking at it, it relies on a fairly strict 1500 calories on non fast days and lots of milk on fast days.

I have been dogged with health problems since turning 40 and put on nearly 3 stone (added to my existing 2 stone over after 3 babies) due to meds. I've lost 2 stone over the last year and a half (lost a bit, get fed up, put a bit back on yadayada doing a variety of diets) but still have 3 to go.

My main sticking point (apart from failing miserably at not eating crap and drinking too much wine) is maintaining an exercise regime as I havw a rheumatic illness and suffer from joint pains, inflammation and fatigue as well as light sensitivity so tend to hibernate in the summer.

This seems infinitely more do-able though. Especially if one can eat normally on non fast days.

Anyhow, that was much longer than it should have been blush. Looking forward to seeing some good results!
Oh and a banana and half a pint of milk so far, though that is probably quite calorie confused

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 08:49:22

Morning, no fast for me today. Ended up on 600 cals because of coffee (addict) but big improvement from 2300 usual calories!

Its nearly nine and I'm not hungry which is weird.

CagneyNLacey Thu 09-Aug-12 08:49:36

Day 2 for me. Think i will jib the porridge and have tin of ww beans for breakfast instead. Then for tea I will have ww macaroni cheese ready meal.

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 08:51:42

Had a rough night - DD is potty training and woke me at half 3 as she needed a poo... Felt ravenous when I got back to bed, but on my non-fast day today and feel ok altho I've not yet had breakfast.

Like others say, it's so much easier to 'be good' for just one day! That being said, using mfp also is having an effect. Altho I know I can eat normally today, the fact that my planned bfast of a muller light with granola is nearly half the cals I ate yesterday is a bit of a shocker!

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 08:56:26

I wonder if it's better to fast on two separate days? Or two together.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 09:05:17

My Day 1 yesterday also went brilliantly! I wasnt even ravenous when I woke up this morning, I was able to wait an hour before having some Burgen bread toast & peanut butter - and I struggled to finish it!

I loved the feeling of emptiness in my tummy, and the hunger pangs were also enjoyable at times - is this weird? My whole life I had eaten when I wasnt hungry because I was so scared of having a single tummy rumble.

I am weirdly looking forward to my next fast day shock

Day 1 for me yesterday, I split it into lunch and dinner and whilst I was hungry at 5 pm doing the kids teas it wasn't too bad. We had coucous and a tomato and veg sauce which was really filling. Amazingly I feel great today. I'm splitting the fast and will do Mon and Weds.

IloveStriperySocks - its weird but I'm looking forward to the next fast day too, I like the challenge of it, whereas I find "cutting back" each day too much hassle and no fun.

Good luck for anyone on a fast day today,.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 09:24:24

TheCunningStunt I think you may get better effects from 2 days at once but I couldn't hack it so I'm going for separate days.

I think I'm ending up kind of doing ADF, but they seem similar to me. Or have I got that totally wrong?

Day 1, my first fast was ok, I did it on 0 calories. Today's an eating day but I'm still full from my tea, shich was really naughty, cheese & onion flan. I'm going to try for lots of veg today & then another fast tomorrow.

Hope it's going well for everyone else!

ILoveStripeySocks yes that is weird me too, feels like being in control of eating for once

MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 09:38:13

Morning,
Its my first fast day today. I've planned for an omlette for brunch and a puy lentil salad for dinner. I have kcals for either tuna or low fat hummus too, will decide on which one at the time.
I'm about to have my 2nd cup of peppermint tea.

I'm optimistic about today. I've just got to keep myself distracted enough not to notice boredom hunger.

Are you all planning on having the same fast days each week?

Good luck to everyone for today.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 09:39:30

I'm doing the 5:2 too, starting today.

I'm waiting it out with water until midday and then having my 'main meal' (mushroom omelette). I'm going to have homemade lentil soup and salad for supper to make it up to 500.

I've got 2 and a half stone to lose too, but tbh, I'm more concerned with the other health benefits. I think I want to read around it a bit more before following it long term. But I definitely could do it long term.

I think the key to it is probably avoiding all 'fake' foods on the 2 'fast' days - so no diet food, not processed crap (not that we eat much of it anyway tbh).

Like someone said earlier, I find it easier on days where I don't eat much anyway. I hate the notion of 3 meals and healthy snacks inbetween because all I end up thinking about is how hungry I am and when I can next eat.

On days where I'm too busy or forget to eat, I don't get hungry until tea time.

In fact, this whole notion of 'you must eat breakfast' is a killer for me. If I don't eat breakfast, I don't get hungry, if I do eat breakfast, I'm ravenous all day long!

Is the ADF about eating nothing and the 5:2 about eating 500cals? I thought the 3 day fast was about eating nothing and the ADF about eating 500cals but he felt that he wouldn't be able to sustain that and so only followed it on 2 days a week instead? Thus resulting in the 5:2?

I don't think it's sustainable to eat nothing on alternate days long term. The 3 day fast was supposed to be followed once a month.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 09:44:02

In fact, this whole notion of 'you must eat breakfast' is a killer for me. If I don't eat breakfast, I don't get hungry, if I do eat breakfast, I'm ravenous all day long!

I thought that was just me Folkgirl!

I'm not sure if my aim will work out yet, I'm still kind of getting my head round this kind of diet, but if yesterday was anything to go by, it's doable.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Thu 09-Aug-12 09:44:25

Yesterday (first fast day) went well - I didn't eat anything after 1pm and that was fine. I was hungry last night, but it wasn't dreadful. There are worse things than being hungry for a few hours, and knowing I could eat in the morning is great.

I felt great this morning and had muesli and banana with milk at 9.30 as usual.

I won't get to do another fast day until Monday now & I haven't weighed myself for a week or more. So I will weigh myself tomorrow and then do 2 fast days per week starting Monday.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 09:45:54

Well done Hiphop!

HipHopSkipJumpomous Thu 09-Aug-12 09:54:00

Thanks!

Re breakfast I'm never ready to eat before about 9. But the feeling ravenous all day mentioned above depends on what I have for breakfast. A good no-added sugar/fat free muesli with nuts and fruit really sorts me out well. If I had more processed cereal such as Special K etc I'd be starving by 10. Egg on toast is also excellent for getting me through. I can go without breakfast but then I'm usually so hungry by lunchtime, a 'normal' lunch portion doesn't satisfy and I can end up feeling hungry all day.

I think part of what this 5:2 plan (and others) is getting at is we need to learn it's OK to feel hungry and in fact is an essential part of being slim. I speak as a lifelong overeater - the FULL feeling is so normal to me and I had some weird fear about feeling hungry. Well guess what - it's not the end of the world. I live in a city with stores everywhere - I can have food at any moment I want, so hunger isn't a sign I'm about to perish or get weak. The last couple of months I've been learning to embrace feeling hungry and being comfortable with that - it's a sign from my body to eat again soon (and hopefully that it is burning fat now), not a sign to be feared.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 10:07:07

HipHop I find it doesn't really make any difference what I eat. Porridge and a banana is probably about the best thing, but even wholemeal toast and scrambled egg will leave me hungry again mid morning.

I also think the time you start eating is probably the most crucial bit. I quite often eat breakfast with the children at 7.30 so I am ready for something else by 10.

But if I hold off til 9, I suppose I do start getting peckish around lunchtime.

kotinka my DH announced a War on Sugar 2 weeks ago. He isn't necessarily approaching it in the 'best' way, but in the way that works best for him. So he's cut out chocolate and fizzy pop so far. I've done it with him and that alone has meant I've dropped 4lbs in the past 2 weeks. I don't really have a sweet tooth, or particularly like coke etc, but I've also got no will power and if it's there, I'll consume it! grin

I always used to be slim and I know that it's because I didn't eat much, but what I did eat was healthy and fresh and I was always full and healthy.

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 10:17:58

First fast day for me. smile

Starting off with my lemon and ginger tea. This always fills me up. I love tea but can't have it without two sugars which I think are an unnecessary waste of calories so sticking to my ginger tea.

I thought the whole premise of ADF is that on one day you eat about 500kcal and the next day as much as u like? Because of my all or nothing approach, I'm going to try ADF for the next few days and see how it goes. I'm on slimming world and get weighed every Wednesday evening and so I'm going to try my hardest to not weigh myself otherwise!!

I was going to have some soup as my kcal today but now I'm thinking cheese omelette?

Good luck to anyone fasting today!!

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 10:38:14

I thought the whole premise of ADF is that on one day you eat about 500kcal and the next day as much as u like?

That was my understanding too, suja

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 11:08:12

Yes, after just rewatching the program, suja & folkgirl, you are right.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:13:03

ADF is just fasting with 500 cals every other day, 5:2 is just fasting with 500 cals twice a week.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:17:39

I have been reading up on all this fasting business, and found this interesting post in another forum. They follow the ADF there (but they call it JUDDD which stands for Johnsons UpDayDownDay diet) and it has really inspired me to keep at it - the long term benefits & weight loss seem to multiply the longer you do it (unlike others that slow weightloss).

link here

I plan to do Mondays & Thusrdays as my Up days, though this week I did yesterday & will do Sat as I was so eager to get started grin

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 11:17:59

I just hope it works!

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:18:33

Good luck to all those fasting today, enjoy the empty tummy feeling smile I still cant believe I enjoyed it!

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 11:20:04

Well done everyone yesterday and good luck to fasters today.

I woke at 3am with dd and was starving. Yet, found when I had brekkie which was positively virtuous. Nat yog and grapes I was full sooner and left half. grin

Starving now though. Felt better when I didn't eat brekkie. Isn't that Omg diet about skipping brekkie?

Had a sneaky peek at scales and lost 2lb I realise it's water though. But still
Whooohooooo grin.

bunjies Thu 09-Aug-12 11:20:58

Hi all. Just marking my place as I'm off on hols for 3 weeks tomorrow but definitely want to try this when I get back. Found the programme fascinating especially as there is a history of early on set Alzheimer's in my family (mother). The weight loss benefits aren't so bad either wink. Might try & get dh to do it with me too.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:28:13

My DH has agreed to do it with me too smile He says its easy to not eat while at work, and I will have a 600 cal dinner ready for him when he comes home. Should be easy!

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 11:36:56

Good on him Stripey. Are you just having one meal then? I know you said 2 initially

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:41:17

No, I will stick to 2 I think, but at least I know he wont be snacking etc around me on my fast days smile

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 11:54:53

Good ideagrin

So, on our non fast days are we all going for it or still keeping an eye on what we eat? I think the theory with JUDD is the swing in cals keeps the metabolic rate
guessing.

I've just had a prawn butty and I don't even eat breadblush I think the whole part of th programme about eating too much protein scared me. sad

notsoold Thu 09-Aug-12 11:55:09

Hi there!
I am sorry...I watched the programme and I thought alternate days was total fasting and they eating normally next day. the 5:2 is different isn't? during those 2 days you can have 500cals???.
The presenter had benefits during both "trials"???
Is that latter way that we will be doing in this thread???

Sorry ...thick day!!!

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 11:57:48

Well I haven't eaten since yesterday at 530 and feeling good! Not as dizzy as yesterday, lively and actually more alert. Not grumpy either! I will hold out and have sweet potato supper for dinner at 6pm. Going to look more into this all so I can get a bearing on just how to do it.

MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 12:02:47

Thats great Stripey. I don't think theres any way I'd get my dh to join me unfortunately.

So, it's nearly midday and I've only had tea and coffee so far. I don't feel hungry at the moment, so planning on putting first meal off till 1. The second intake of my kcal intake will be at 6 as I'm off to the west end this evening to see a show and Im guessing I should eat before I go out. Hopefully I'll be distracted all evening and not think about food at all though.

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:05:58

It's a fast day today. This is my second one this week - with one day of normal eating in between - so wondering if it will prove tougher than the first time. I'm planning to make the kids beans on toast for tea, as I hate baked beans and I'm not wild about toast.

DH fasted yesterday and whinged nearly nonstop from 11am onwards. From this I learned two things:

DH & I need to fast on the same days, otherwise meal-planning becomes a nightmare. Which it shouldn't be when we're eating less!

Fasting's a lot harder for some people than others.

I'm inspired by Kotinka's no-calorie fast. No that's a proper fast. After all, we don't HAVE to eat the 500 calories, it's just a crutch.

MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 12:08:40

Well done Cunning. Is that 5:30 am or pm? I might try and fit in a total fast day every fortnight. Will test out I can o 500kcal first though!

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:09:26

Ooo, Stripey, good DH-management plan!

I think I'll just feed the kids an early, simple tea on our fast days, and we'll not eat ourselves.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 12:09:28

notsoold, it was only on the total 3 fast days a month (the first one he tried) that was no food. The alternate day and the 5:2 both had a cal allowance of 500/600 cals.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 12:10:25

Cunning, you are doing 2 consectutive days, arent you? Good luck! That's barve grin

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:10:50

How may cups of tea with semi-skimmed milk + 1 teaspoon sugar equals 500 calories??

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 12:12:46

Im lost as to who is doing a total fast and who is doing the 500 cal fast!

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:12:50

Cunning, good luck! 2 days in a row. Whenever I'm tempted to whinge today, I shall think of you. (And then likely whinge anyway.)

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 12:27:27

cunning I'm doing day two consecutively too. Feeling hungry now though and tummy rumbling a bit.

DH just called to ask how many calories in a banana and told me Costa were giving out free cappuccinos near his workplace and he resisted as he's trying the 600 cals today. I'm not sure I'd have that willpower

Good luck to everyone fasting today. It's so great to hear about everyone's food choices and how it's going for them. Mostly seems positive so feeling inspired to keep going.

delilahbelle Thu 09-Aug-12 12:36:21

I'm doing this.

Tried for a fast day yesterday and failed (ate breakfast, was planning on eating again in the evening and cracked by lunchtime) but did only have 1363 calories yesterday.

My fast days are going to be Thursdays and Mondays - today I skipped breakfast, drank lots of ginger and lemon tea all morning, and have just eaten my normal breakfast for lunch (Oatso simple and OJ) which comes to 300 calories. I'm planning on having a poached egg, broccoli and salad for dinner tonight, to take me to my 500 calories in total. I found I am much less hungry today than yesterday.

I need extra strong willpower today as there is a huge box of Thorntons chocolates upstairs.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 12:38:22

It was yesterday at 530pm that I ate. So will be a 24 hour complete fast by the time I eat dinner today! I feel reall good! Just watched the whole documentry. Really interesting about a protien. I did Dukan 2-3 years ago and lost four stone, and have since eaten what I like and maintained my weight. I still eat maybe 30%of my diet in protein.

Goodluck Monday!! And to everyone else. I feel a headache creeping in. And it's definitely not dehydration. I have drunk a litre and a half so far today!

notsoold Thu 09-Aug-12 12:54:10

thanks ilove !
I will plan my week then!!!

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 13:00:24

I had a headache last night too and drank loads of water. I didn't feel hungry but head was throbbing.

My issue is I eat out of boredom olin an evening when dds are in bed. How do I combat that?

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 13:00:30

Notsoold After watching the program myself again, I'm a bit clearer.

In case anyone is confused
ADF and 5:2 both allow 500 calories for women and 600 for men in a single meal any time of day on the fast days.

I voluntarily did a 0 calorie fast as I want to be in fat burning mode for as long as I can without eating protein like on an atkins diet. No one else has to do this unless they are a masochist like me grin

This thread is probably a great place for anyone doing ADF or 5:2, we're all doing it in our own ways and some people will differ.

Let's see what works over the next two weeks!

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 13:04:09

wheresmyperry interested to know how the second fast goes, I'm hoping it gets easier, I was a little antsy by 7pm!

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 13:05:34

Thanks Kotinka,

The headaches will be from withdrawal by the sounds of it. If you low carb they won't be as bad or at all.

MadBusLady Thu 09-Aug-12 13:06:34

Hmph, well my first fasting day is going very well because I woke up with some kind of nausea headache flu bug thing. Even if I did feel like eating anything I don't think I could drag myself off to prepare it.

So that's good in a way I suppose!

<subsides onto sofa with self-pitying whimper>

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 13:07:46

I didn't get headaches at all, but I've been low carbing for most of the last year so I think I'm slightly more used to that no sugar in your system feeling. It takes about a week to get used to I think.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 13:24:29

Lunch was: omelette with 2 medium eggs; 5g (proper) butter; 2 medium mushrooms; 50g galia melon; 100ml orange juice. 276cals.

224 cals left for my 190cal homemade lentil and veg soup and a bit of salad at suppertime.

No ill effects.

DH and I have both had headaches since cutting down on sugar. Going cold turkey is never easy!

I think I'd find it difficult to do 500cals in one meal.

I feel full after what I had, I don't see how I could have increased it.

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 13:34:56

Kotinka, I'll let you know. I'm starting out with a 5:2 plan and the fasting days on Tues/Thurs this week (I'm switching to Mon/Wed next week to coincide with DH). If the second day proves really hard, I could move to a Mon/Thurs plan that leaves more time btwn fasts.

I'm sticking with either one meal/day or none at all, depending on psychological strength!

pumkintits Thu 09-Aug-12 13:38:37

Hi, thismy first fast day too. Going a lot better than I thought actually!!

Quick question though, as I last ate at 9.30 last night, does that mean I can eat something extra to my 500 cals after 9.30 tonight?

glad everyone seems to be doing so well smile

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 13:42:01

Just had my cheese and ham omelette with a slice of toast. 443 calories. Means I can have a Cadbury hot chocolate later. smile

CagneyNLacey Thu 09-Aug-12 13:48:43

I am bloody hungry and also feel tired and grumpy. Although that could be due to being up most of night with 3 month old or having spent the morning with tantruming 19 month old.

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 13:59:42

pumkintits (good name): in short, no, not in the plan described on Horizon/outlined by Dr Varady. At least as I understood it. (And again, few human trials, so few clear rules.) On a fast day, eat no more than 500 calories for the whole day. The fast day is closer to a 36-hour period rather than 24 when you factor in sleep. Sneaky, huh?

So I last ate at about 8pm last night, and won't eat more than 500 calories until roughly 7am tomorrow morning. At least I THINK that's how it's supposed to work.

Of course, how you choose to put together a diet is totally up to you!

blackcatsdancing Thu 09-Aug-12 13:59:42

wheresmyperry if you work out the answer let me know! i'm so missing my endless teas (i don't do black). i dont take sugar though . i've allowed myself 400ml of milk and most has gone already. 200ml of sugarfree sainsburys soya (40cals) and 200ml semi skim (98 cals) (mixed) , which comes to 138 cals total.

i'm on the 500 thing today. OK so far, water helps. I did read ages ago about people who fast once a week for 24 hours. If i did that i'd eat my last meal at 7pm and make sure it was satisfying, then eat nothing more until 7pm next day. I'd make sure it was an easy going day. I work in customer service and am working today, got to be careful not to be grumpy/ overly tired with customers. On other hand doing this on non work day means i will lose an opportunity to exercise as i couldnt exercise and do this. Work days involve a walking commute of 35 mins each way , doable on empty batteries (unlike a run)

OddBoots Thu 09-Aug-12 14:04:12

I hope you don't mind but I'm just signing in to see how things go, I'd like to do this, especially as my DNA tests have shown that I have a greater risk of CV disease and type 2 diabetes but I think I need to wait for school to return.

pumkintits Thu 09-Aug-12 14:12:58

Thanks wheresmy perry! thought it was too good to be true!! Had 170 calories so far, not feeling too bad so will leave it as long as possible until I eat again.

Normally go to the gym on a Thursday but a bit worried I might keel over?!

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 14:20:23

Yeah, I'm wondering about exercise, too. I normally go for a long walk (about an hour and a half) on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I did it while fasting on Tuesday and felt fine, and I'll try again today. But I won't go running on fast days. That does seem unwise.

notsoold Thu 09-Aug-12 14:57:29

thanks kotinka.... it is clearer now....
Please what is ADF???

And do I make sure my protein intake in the 500cals are not too high???Or is it low carbing???

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 14:57:38

*Note to self

Do not do the weekly food shop on a fast day

wink

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 15:08:47

This sounds very interesting.
Is it a diet purely for health benefits or can you lose weight too?
According to an online calculator I need to lose 6st! But will be happy with 3 or 4.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 15:13:26

Mondayschild78 grin good point!

notsoold ADF is Alternate Day Fasting.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 15:13:59

SilveryMoon weight loss too! How good is that!

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 15:16:48

Ooohhh.
Think I will do some googling later and will prob sign up.
Fast days prob Monday and Thursday (darn it missed this week then!)

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 15:21:08

SilveryMoon who says you have to start on a fast day? Start now, be more conscious about your choices, think MORE PLANTS, but eat what you like til monday? smile

Slimandhappy Thu 09-Aug-12 15:33:02

I am in and on mfp as janiebones please add me anyone! Xx

Slimandhappy Thu 09-Aug-12 16:17:02

Does anyone know dr mosely twitter name please?

OddBoots Thu 09-Aug-12 16:22:36

It's DrMichaelMosley, Slimandhappy

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 16:38:55

Thank s kotinka.
Have read a bit and think I'm in. Not a huge fan of veg. How bad is that?
Should probably train myself to say more of it though.
I like sweetcorn and raw carrots but anything else makes me retch. Even just the thought of it.
Issues much.

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 16:39:35

For the same of 2 days a week though am sure I Vann give some others things a go.

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 16:39:56

Sake.
Can.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 16:46:09

SilveryMoon yeah, that quite severe dislike of veg might be what's led you to this point? For me, it was booze & pizzas.

MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 16:51:55

Hello again,
I ate my eggs at 1:30 which filled me up, but am feeling quite hungry again now... I'll have another glass of water and hopefully the hunger will pass. I'm going to have to have an early dinner tonight anyway as I'm out this evening, so i've only another hour and a bit to go.
Today has mainly been fine though. I think I'm only suffering now (And I'm not suffering that much!) because I've got nothing to do. I will clear out a cupboard and distract myself!
Hope everyone is having a good day.

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 16:55:42

MeanMrsMustard fantastic, you're doing really well! Keeping busy definitely helps with ignoring the rumbles.

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 17:10:20

How do you change the psychological mind set? I'm not even hungry but I'm looking for food.

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 17:10:35

Oh no kotinka, for me it's def the wine and the pizzas.
I used to be lovely and slim before I got pregnant with ds1. Just took eating to a whole new level then blush
I will def try to train myself on the veg though, not sure what to start with, will have a think.
ds1 really likes broccoli so maybe I'll try some of that

kotinka Thu 09-Aug-12 17:23:51

SilveryMoon if you have a sweet tooth, go for sweet veg like tomatoes, red peppers, sweet potato. Or spinach with a bit of butter & salt is lovely.

greenwichgroove I know exactly how you feel, but don't know how to fix it either! Time? Practice?

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 17:30:37

Thanks Kotinka.
I do like tomatoes and sweet potatoes.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 17:39:41

Dinner is in the oven. God I am looking forward to it.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 17:44:24

So proud of myself.

Just got back from my dad's where everyone except for me had blueberry muffins. I didn't even really fancy it. But in the past, I'd have had one just because I didn't want to miss out.

Just had my lentil and veg soup. Twas yummy. Only 4 hours to go until bed and I'm making a rhubarb crumble tomorrow! grin

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 17:55:53

So far so good. Had slight tummy rumblings but filled up with water. Looking forward to my cadburys hot chocolate later. Am off out tomorrow night with my youngish sisters, so need to eat tomorrow to be able to get drunk!! smile

What led me to this point? Ooo..vodka and orange!! Oo... And chocolate! ;)

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 17:56:44

Ooh and folkgirl... Well done. I'm basing my fast days around the days when I'm at home with the kids by myself!!! Much easier to resist temptation that way.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 17:59:23

Thank you suja! grin

I did feel very virtuous!

Enjoy your hot chocolate.

Dosey Thu 09-Aug-12 18:03:33

Hi there ladies, I watched the program last night and it inspired me to give it a go. Not to lose weight just for the health benefits. I eat far too much sugar and I am hoping by doing the fasting will help me think more about what I am putting in my body. My last meal was 6pm last night , a Chinese takeaway shock. so far today I have had green tea, water and a coffee which was 80 calories. I cannot believe how well I am feeling, it's so much easier than I thought and believe me I love food and cannot usually go without good meals a day with lots of snacks inbetween.

I am currently cooking toad in the hole for DP for his tea and I don't fancy any of it. The only issue I have is that I am keeping this fasting to myself. DP wouldn't understand saying I don't need to lose weight, which I don't but I just want to be healthy. Also I don't want my Dds to realise that some days I don't eat. So I am a secret faster, let's see how long I can get away with it!!!

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 18:20:55

This is my "any food" day, and I am not eating nearly as much as I usually would! I thought id stuff my face all day but it just hasnt happened. Loving this so far! I just hope I see some weightloss as I have loads to lose and cant stay this size any longer.

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 18:53:18

I've messed up today 2300 calories sad bit of a crap day with dc, anniversary of a bereavement and some lowlife on twitter has wound me up. It's a none fast day but still....

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 19:05:44

greenwich - its ok if its not your fast day. smile

Beef and Apricot Stew in the pan (363 calories)
Apricot, passion fruit and banana just needs to be finished of (341 calories). Really looking forward to it as I have eaten only lettuce leaves today.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 19:09:42

I had sweet potato, garlic, asparagus and pancetta baked in the oven. Quite calorific at just over 500 per portion. But it was worth the wait. Back to "normal" eating tomorrow. Am going for lots of fruit and yoghurt for breakfast!

maverick Thu 09-Aug-12 19:12:45

For the geeks like me, here's the research;
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3017674/

Aftereightsaremine Thu 09-Aug-12 19:14:33

I've started the milk diet 2 days a week which I think is similar you restrict yourself to around 650 calories a day 2 days a week but your main calories/protein are from the milk. I just hope it works though have lost 4llbs in 2 weeks!

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 19:19:40

So.
Today I have had 2 decaf coffees with semi skim milk.
Water
An apple
A tin of tomato and veg soup.
Salad and roast chicken and 1 tbsp mayo.
Small bowl of berries.
Probably going to have another coffee later.
I think I am under 500 calls so am pleased.
Dont really feel hungry but like some others I tend to snack n rubbish I don't really want from boredom/stress etc.
Another 500 cal day tomorrow and am planning egg mayo salad for brunch.
Not sure about dinner...might be soup again.
More fruit.

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 19:47:18

Interesting Maverick,

Thinking about the research do you think what we are doing could be passed to a researcher? It seems that there will be such a lot of data on here its a shame for it not to be used.

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 19:48:14

PS I'm now stuffed. Its as if my brain is rewarding me for finding food.

MakeHayNotStraw Thu 09-Aug-12 20:37:17

Can I join? I'm interested in doing this for the health benefits, and apparently energy levels get better, too....

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 20:43:11

See, this is why I am so fat.
Dp bought a box of chicken pops/strips from the bargain bin at tesco. The label says 1/4 of the pack is 230 calories and I have just cooked the whole pack.
Will this diet work for me? I am really week willed but think I can handle the thought of 1 day at a time.
And yes, I know I also need to think about what I eat on normal days, but one step at a time, hey?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 20:48:49

Finally got round to watching the Horizon prog. Incredibly interesting!
First fast day was Weds, but next week I'll go for Tues and argues as I'm at work then.

It's prob been asked already, but do the fast day cals need to be eaten at one meal or can they be spread throughout the day?
I think Dr Mosley had it in one meal - but would it make a difference?

Also, on the other days when you eat 'normally' is that to 2000 cals as per guidelines?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 20:51:15

Damn predictive texting - that should be Tues and THURS at work blush

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 20:54:03

He had 2 meals harimad but it doesnt matter.
One meal or 2 or 3, as long at its onoy 500 cals.
Ideally you need to have a long time between eating...so for me I am eating 6pm latest and then not til 11/12 next day so I am in effect fasting for 17 hours which is sort of the idea.
Not eating breakfast is natural for me so am pleased!

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 21:07:59

Thanks Badvoc. When I go to work it's quite easy not to eat til midday, and I don't usually eat til 8pm anyway, so I think I'll focus on 2 meals...

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 21:08:28

Can someone explain that science report in laymans terms for me blush - i think it means that intermittent fasting has just as good results as contsant calorie counting?

HappyOrchid Thu 09-Aug-12 21:12:44

Yep, I've decided to give it a go too.
Years ago I always used to fast on a Thursday and didn't have weight problems.

Today is day two of 500 calories. i tend to eat mine at work, mostly fruit and salad with a boiled egg. Am looking forward to getting back to 1800 calories tomorrow.

I drink black coffee instead of tea. I'll let you know how I get on

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 21:31:36

Are most people doing their 2 fast days together? Is that proven to be better?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 21:32:04

1800 cals Happyorchid?
So you do need to mind cals on the 5 days?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 21:33:19

I don't think I could do 2x fast days together. From Horizon his days seemed to be all over the week...

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 21:36:30

http://www.minimins.com/johnson-updaydownday-diet-unit-diet/

A brilliant forum on this topic

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 21:38:08

I've done two days in a row. 5 glorious days of normal eating. YUM

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 21:38:36

I am doing them together to get them out of the way! smile

CagneyNLacey Thu 09-Aug-12 21:39:16

Ilove, I think someone up thread said it doesn't matter if you do it consecutively or not. I'm doing both days together as I want to relax and forget about i over the weekend and then get weighed on my usual weigh in day on Tuesday.

maverick Thu 09-Aug-12 21:43:10

Think there might be a run on this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alternate-Day-Diet-22Skinny-Pounds-Healthierlife/dp/0399534903/ref=pd_ybh_5#reader_0399534903

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 21:49:46

Im not counting cals on my off days, I cant cope with counting cals every day. if thats required I may have to bow out.

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 21:52:25

I dont count calories ilove.
Only on my so called fast days.

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 22:08:01

I'm not going to count calories either!

JacLittleTums Thu 09-Aug-12 22:11:24

I started it yesterday and have my meals planned to do it tomorrow again. I am going the 5:2 diet, 2 days under 600 calories. I wrote about it over at Baby Centre and today I posted about it on my blog, including what I ate yesterday and what I am eating tomorrow. I included a recipe too. I am going to track what I am eating, hopefully it will inspire others smile

foreverondiet Thu 09-Aug-12 22:50:22

I couldn't manage 2 days in a row, need normal day in the middle. Also those who exercise not sure about fasting on a day when I do a lot of exercise... if I go to the gym in the morning I never eat before but am always v hungry afterwards...

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 00:06:06

Just a quickie to try and answer some of the questions that have come up, as far as I can!

Harimad & Bavdoc, Dr Varady says in the program it's 1 meal. The presenter guy, when he changed to 5:2, still had 1 meal but shifted it to breakfast, I believe.

I think it would be worth us trying to get clarification on this issue of spreading out the 500 cal or eating one meal. Did someone say they had this guy's twitter name?

Don't worry about calories on the Eating days, but do try to add more veg.

Yes, 5:2 is a form of ADF.

Maverick, great link, thanks, I'll stick it in the other thread too.

jollydiane I think you are amazing managing 2 days at once.

Goodnight all, & well done!

CagneyNLacey Fri 10-Aug-12 03:11:13

Just looking at Dr Mossley's twitter and he split it between 2 meals.

I have lost 4lbs in 2 days! I know its water weight but it does give me the motivation to not eat a metric tonne of cheese sandwiches today.

SilveryMoon Fri 10-Aug-12 07:22:11

I managed to watch a bit of the program on my phone last night, but it froze just as he started talking about altering the 3.5day fasting.
Tsk.
Amazing though! Fancy doing a 26mile marathon at 101 years of age!

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 07:22:13

3 pounds in two days here. Now 9st8. Well prepared to put st least 2 of them back on though. But I know I can do this two days a week. A splitting my days next week. Oddly I have woken up earlier than normal today and feel much more lively and not hungry. I thought I'd be ready to eat my weight in bacon!!

I also only ate one big meal at 6pm to give the fast a good 24 hours between each meal. So day before fast I won't eat after 630pm so I get a full 18hours minimum on a fast day. That way if I want a light lunch I can. I don't eat breakfast often anyway.

Dosey Fri 10-Aug-12 07:25:01

Morning all, I did my fasting yesterday and all I had all day was water, green tea and a cup of coffee with 80 calories. I felt fine all day long. However when I go out of bed this morning I was really sweating, feeling sick and faint. I quickly ate a bananna which made me feel better then ate a bowl of granola and yoghurt and now I feel back to normal. I think the lesson for me is to make sure I do get more calories on my fasting days until, at least my body gets used to it. I have lost 3lbs and my stomach is really flat this morning. We are all going out for tea tonight so I am looking forward to a guilt free slap up meal.

I hope everyone else's fasting is going well. X

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 07:36:18

Doesn't sound good dosey! Are you going to eat the 500 cals next fast day? Or do you prefer/want to go as low cal as possible. Glad you are feeling better.

unhappyhildebrand Fri 10-Aug-12 07:36:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 07:47:47

kotinka - he had scrabled egg for breakfast and fish and veg for dinner on his fast days.

I think we - as a first world western society - have forgotten that hunger is ok. Not starving, not ravenous, not famished, but plain old simple hunger.

I was hungry yesterday after lunch (soup) but was fine after dinner (chicken and salad). I dont eat breakfast. Its taken me a while to figure out that at my thinnest I didnt eat breakfast because I didnt want to

If any of you are interested in some of the rubbish we have been told in the last 30 tears wrt calories, weigh control etc then I really recommend Dr John Briffas book "Escape the diet trap". It is sobering (and angering) reading.

I am following briffas dietary advice on my non fast days and have lost 9 lbs in 3 weeks and I have never eaten so much!!! smile

Cuting out wheat has been a big thing for me...I no longer have reflux every day and no longer need the meds I have been on for 4 years.

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 07:52:47

Good to hear from all doing well on this - inspiring!

Good start to the day for me - after watching Horizon prog last night, DH has been swayed by health benefits and is going to do 5:2 also. He's fairly trim anyway (unfair male metabolism envy), so he's doing Mon & Weds and I'll do 4:3 and throw in a Friday too...

Having a coffee now, then just drinks til lunch which is egg on toast and dinner of prawns/broccoli/stirfry...

Those on feed days today - Enjoy! Those fasting - good luck!

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 07:56:15

Hey Badvoc - can you outline the dietary advice for non-fast days in Briffas book? Don't know that I could cut out wheat, but it would be interesting to hear.
Huge congrats on the weightless to date! smile

Mondayschild78 Fri 10-Aug-12 07:58:32

That's a good mantra to have unhappyhildebrand.

I have just attempted two consecutive fast days and my learning point is that I definitely need to split them. It was a bit of an experiment this week anyway grin
I say attempted as Day 1 (Wednesday) was fine and fairly easy. I woke up yesterday feeling great so thought lets give it another go. By about 2pm I did feel very light headed and not great so I had half tin of beans and slice of unbuttered toast. Then some strawberries, melon and raisins. For dinner quorn sausages and salad then a yogurt too. Total calories on Day 2 was about 700.

I will split days up next week for sure. A lot of us seem to be doing Monday as a fast day.

Well done to everyone!

Dosey Fri 10-Aug-12 07:59:33

Hi Cunning, I am definitely going to up my calories on my fasting days yes. But I do feel fine now and very full after my breakfast and an usual urge to eat very health foods!!!

JacLittleTums Fri 10-Aug-12 08:17:43

Michael Mosley is doing 5:2, under 600 calories ans spreading it throught the day, not just breakfast.

unhappyhildebrand Fri 10-Aug-12 08:22:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 08:30:09

I'm thinking of doing a 4:3 too. I found yesterday reasonably easy too. I'm on a 'normal' day today, but given that my normal day will still involve good food and no crap I think I should be ok.

I've had porridge with 1% milk for breakfast and will follow with a mid morning snack of fruit.

I think from next week I'll do Mon, Wed and Fri as fast days. That will be sustainable when the children are back at school too. I couldn't fast over the weekend!

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 08:37:20

Harimad.
I have to say I am amazed I have cut out wheat. Amazed! Prior to this way of eating all my meals were wheat based...so eg: croissant (or two") for breakfast, sandwich fr lunch and pasta for dinner. I felt awful, always tired, bloated and had severe gerd for which I have been on ppi's for 4 years.
If I can do it, anyone can! smile
Briffas advice is basically: 80% of your food should be the following:
Meat, fish, fowl, eggs, salad, veg, nuts and seeds, berries, Greek yoghurt, butter, olive oil in unlimited amounts.
20% from cream, other fruit, cheese, dark chocolate in limited amounts.
Avoid wheat, milk, bread products, cakes and pastries, all low fat products.
It's been amazing and a real wake up call for me.
I can eat eggs, salad, veg, meat, nuts and use butter, olive oil etc and have dark choc as a great and berries and cream and lose weight!
It's really worth a read.

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 08:38:24

I must say at this point I do have milk (lacto free) as I simply cannot drink black coffee.
But I have also started drinking fruit tea which is lovely.
Oh, and you are supposed to avoid alcohol too.
But I don't drink so easy for me!

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 08:43:57

hilde there is no evidence that a 4:3 works any better than a 5:2. Why not just try the 5:2 first? Don't make like more difficult than it needs to be wink

Mondayschild78 Fri 10-Aug-12 08:47:19

Non fast day and I've just had some porridge (the recommended serving on the pack of 4 heaped tbsp, I used to have about double this blush)

I feel FULL smile

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 09:01:51

That's really encouraging that the 500 cal can be split if you prefer it.

I'm also doing 3 a week, Mon, Wed, Fri from next week, just to try to get rid of a bit more weight, I know it won't improve any of the other stuff. I just have a good bit of weight to get off, 21 pound urgently before I have an op. I'm 2 pound down since starting the diet & today will be my last fast this week. Somehow can't face doing it over the weekend!

Is anyone else trying 0 cal fasts?

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 09:11:08

Well normal day. I just had a handull of blueberries, a chopped plum, some strawberries and 3 teaspoons of strawberry yoghurt. It came to 127cals. Definately will bear that in mind for a fast day lunch!

Marking place, more for health benefits than for weight loss. The Horizon programme was fascinating. smile

MommyUpNorth Fri 10-Aug-12 09:28:52

Hello! Can I join in here as well. Last Monday I started over at My Fitness Pal, so kind of already started the 'diet' and upped the exercise... but after watching the fasting program last night with DH I really want to give this a go!

Today is my first fasting day, so have had a 496 cal breakfast just before 8 and hope to make it until 8am tomorrow with just water/herbal tea!

My Mom is just starting Chemo later this month, and we have various heart/cancer/obesity problems running in the family, so would love it if I could get into a healthier cycle with my life!

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 09:35:02

i'm considering a 0 cal fast once a week for 24 hours. but won't jump right in. I think it could be something that could become a long term habit and indeed i know its not uncommon for people interested in good health to do so. I might find a good day next week and start with a light dinner (veg soup) or a large salad , then nothing except water the next day until the evening meal when again i'd had something light, maybe white fish and salad or lean chicken and salad . I don't think i could go to bed starving.

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 09:37:32

Glad to hear everyone else is doing well. My yesterday fast was fine because I was lying on the sofa too ill to eat . Managed to make some carrot soup for about 2pm, then some kind of strange stewed cabbage and nutmeg affair for 6pm (dunno what was going on there, I must have been delirious) and 100g raspberries afterwards. Total with soya and milk in drinks was just a smidgeon over 500 cal I reckon. I think I'd find it easy on a normal non-ill day too, I didn't realise herbal tea could be so filling!

Just had some porridge - I said I wasn't a very strict low-carber grin and feel VERY full.

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 09:39:51

with regular fasts, i've read that if lightheadedness is a problem that consuming juices , the best you can afford (ideally juice yourself but most people don't have juicers) , really helps.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 09:45:13

blackcatsdancing black coffee's keeping me going but I don't want to overdo it.

I don't want to go to bed hungry either, so I've been timing the Eat day to stop eating at about 8pm which means I can start again the next day at 8pm and go to bed without being hungry.

I've been counting sleep time in the fast, is this right?

Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 09:46:51

Hi. I'm fairly new to mumsnet and brand new to this thread. I watched horizon and it really gave me a wake up call. It also had a huge impact on my teen daughter who was fascinated by it not for weightloss but for health benefits. Am going to get my dh to watch it too. If i do the af plan am i right in thinking its 600 cals on fast days as some posts on here seem to think its 0 cals? Anyone else think the woman didnt really want that burger and was only nibbling at it for the film?

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 09:47:09

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CharlieUniformNovemberTango Fri 10-Aug-12 09:48:35

Morning!

I'd live to join you all. I've watched the programme and been lurking on the threads for a few days but have decided to take the plunge today.

I'm going to be picking my fast days each week over the holidays as I'm not doing the same thing of set days right now.

Today is my first fast day. I would normally have eaten breakfast now but I've given up wheat and am easing into the paleo/primal diet so this does fit with that. I've found my appetite quite stable since cutting the wheat/carbs so will try and stick with that. Normally I'm a starving every two hours girl.

Will probably have egg salad for lunch and a something in the evening with the rest of the calories in the evening.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 09:48:52

Bigchatter it's 500 cal for women, 600 for men, I'm doing 0 because I have a lot of fat to shift, that's all, so ignore that bit.

What age is your daughter? I think this diet would be bad for people still growing.

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 09:49:17

blush (starts again)

Jollydiane - Dr Mosley said that ADF worked better than 5:2, so halfway between in 4:3! I'm doing 4:3 as I want regular days, and if I get too skinny (hah!), I'll do 5:2...

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 09:50:01

CharlieUniformNovemberTango, must remember not to abbreviate your name! Welcome aboard.

Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 09:55:25

Yes i was concerned when she showed an interest as she is 13.5 but she isnt going to do the diet just try to be more healthy as a result of it. So she had a peach followed by a crunchy lol. So basically the 500 cal is either 5 and 2 or alternate?

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 09:55:30

kotinka i didn't know you were doing a total fast, i'll scroll back and see how you've done. Yes sleep time is included. I guess its trial and error to see what works best for the individual. I think for me breaking my fast with DP is a good idea as i won't be inclined to overeat, also having that evening meal planned exactly in advance. and allowing time for brain to register that i'm full.
wednesday is a good day for me at the moment. sunday has possibilities.

Cuttothechase Fri 10-Aug-12 09:58:59

Hi All,
Hopefully, you won't mind a non-parent joining this thread? I'm just really interested in seeing if this particular diet works and this site seems to offer great support. The diet seems to be quite well researched so I thought I'd give it a go. I started the fasting day yesterday and achieved 484 calories (saved last few for an emergency satsuma if required!)- carton of Tesco carot and corriander soup (total 270 cals - split lunch/dinner)- 2 dark rye crackers - 3 satsumas - 2 jaffa cakes (yes, jaffa cakes!)- 2ltrs water - 2 cups of tea - 3 diet cokes. Emergency satsuma not required! Feeling less bloated today and quite energised. Next fast Monday. Good luck all!

Mondayschild78 Fri 10-Aug-12 10:00:05

Blackcatsdancing that is interesting about juice and lightheadedness. I'll try that next time if I feel lightheaded.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 10:02:01

course not Cuttothechase, welcome :-)

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 10:03:17

well done yesterday cuttothechase. you don't have to be a parent to be on here ! I've never thought of the implications of the title "mumsnet", there are dads on this site and lots of women without kids so all welcome.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 10:07:08

Bigchatter yes, it's the same method for ADF and 5:2 (a modified version of ADF).

blackcatsdancing I just have to remember that my Eat days also run from 8pm to 8pm, so to keep to one day's calories during that time - it could be possible for me to eat a lot at the end of my fast & then cram in a full day's food before 8pm the next day. I haven't buggered it up yet, but it's a potential mistake.

SilveryMoon Fri 10-Aug-12 10:08:25

So ADF, eat one day, fast the next? Is that right?
I am def gonna start on 5:2 with my 2 days split. Going to fast on mondays and thursdays and see how it goes.

BuntCadger Fri 10-Aug-12 10:12:22

Can I join? I am 5'3 and just over 11st so need to lose 1.5 to 2 st for healthy weight. Post baby number 3 and still bfeeding (she's 9 months now).

This diet appeals as its not restrictive all the time. Pre dc I was a skinny 6/8 in jeans and 10/12 top. I'm now 16 top and 12 bottom. Carry it all on boobs and tummy really. Am 37 and want to regain my body

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 10:14:47

SilveryMoon, that's right!

ello BuntCadger

MakeHayNotStraw Fri 10-Aug-12 10:15:01

First fast day today - so far I've had a peach and 2 cups of tea! Think I can manage one day...

Thanks for the tip about the lightheadedness and fruit juice - I'm quite sensitive to low blood sugar so this is something that does worry me a bit.

Looking forward to seeing the benefits in terms of energy increase and less bloating, I have to say.

Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 10:23:54

Just joined fitness pal if anyone wants to link my name is same as on heresmile

MeanMrsMustard Fri 10-Aug-12 10:25:22

Cuttothechase , I am not a parent (although I hadn't admitted that yet!)

I had my first fast day yesterday, It was good. Like others I sort of enjoyed the feeling of being hungry, but I was glad that I was out at a show last night as I was distracted enough not to give in to it. I ate just under 500kcals according to MFP. All good.

I've had a two egg omlette for breakfast today (feel stuffed!), am planning on soup for lunch, and we are going out tonight for dinner but I'll have a healthyier option so I can drink more wine . I'm not going to calorie count on my up days for the time being. I might start if I find i'm over eating for the hell of it though.

Good luck to all today - especially the fasters.

suja1983 Fri 10-Aug-12 10:29:08

Good morning and welcome to the newbies!!

First fast yesterday. Woke up this morning feeling very virtuous!
Did feel slightly light headed but I was expecting that. 2 slices of toast and I'm feeling fab. Am off out tonight so need to eat so I don't get silly drunk!

I'm going to start off doing 4:3 as well simply because im
An all or nothing person.
I couldn't fast on two consecutive days though because my sugar levels do decrease rapidly and I don't want to risk that. Plus it's a lot easier to fast one day knowing you're eating the next! smile

For newbies on mfp my name is suja1983. Please feel free to add me

unhappyhildebrand Fri 10-Aug-12 10:36:35

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BuntCadger Fri 10-Aug-12 10:51:25

Just joined mfp with same user name as here. Please feel free to add me

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 10:59:53

Been thinking more about yesterday - what I had by the end of the fast was a kind of hollowed out feeling. Not hunger, and not an unpleasant feeling at all, just a feeling of being very lean and everything in my body being very clear and working correctly. Remember a similar feeling from when I started low-carbing. I'd love to know if this is some sort of sensory illusion or if I am actually detecting changes of some kind.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 11:17:55

MadBusLady that's brilliant, I felt lightheaded the last 2 hours, less sluggish, and I had more energy all day. I think so far, I feel quite positive about it, but I'm not sure it's going to be any easier to stick to than atkins yet, interesting to find out though.

bibbetybobbityboo Fri 10-Aug-12 12:06:40

Have been reading with interest am failing miserably at the eat more to lose more eating plan. This might suit me better. Just wondering how everyone defines their 24 hours though. For example, could i say 24 hours is from 12 noon one day til 12 noon the next or similar or is it important for my whole waking hours for one day to be fast time? I am someone who if i am busy doing something can totally forget to eat so am thinking this might not be too much of a struggle if i plan it well.

Cuttothechase Fri 10-Aug-12 12:11:34

Kotinka, this is totally different to Atkins - that diet was dangerous as well as being very strict about food groups you could eat. This one IS achievable - but you may be making it harder for yourself trying for zero calorie days? - that could account for the lighheadedness perhaps? - stick with it, but set yourself realistic targets! Be positive! :-)

TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 12:18:27

I've amended my MFP setting to follow sugar now. So I'm counting:

Calories, carbs, sat fat, fat, sugar and protein.

All I've had today is porridge made with 1% milk and a tsp of honey, a cup of tea (milk no sugar), a small glass of OJ and 80g (1 portion) of pineapple. I'm already way over on my sugar!

I can really see now how you can consume far too much sugar even if you are eating healthily. I'm going to struggle to eat my allowances of all the others but sugar...! It's shocking really!

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 12:22:30

Cuttothechase, I'm a sucker for a challenge ;-)

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 12:25:50

It really is! Grains and fruit are full of deferred sugar. I have an idea berries are supposed to be the least glucose-spiky type of fruit - certainly Briffa and I think Mark's Daily Apple have them down as 'consume freely'.

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 13:47:22

Berries are unlimited on briffa
Apples to be consumed in a limited way.
No pineapples or bananas

wheresmyperry Fri 10-Aug-12 13:50:18

Well, my second fast day was yesterday. It was harder than the first one, but not really THAT hard. I still had plenty of energy and didn't feel any ill-effects. Just hungry!

I'll need a few weeks to tweek out all the variables. I had lunch instead of breakfast yesterday (well, a salad + 1/4 mango + 5 strawberries) and three cups of tea (1T milk, 1t sugar each - I measured!) and lots of water. I think breakfast suited me better.

Also, maybe leaving two 'normal' days btwn the fasts would be easier (ie, Mon & Thurs).

Kotinka - I got the feeling that the fasting period was really +/- 36 hours, rather than 24. So, you eat normally day 1, eat only 500 cals for the whole of Day 2, and begin to eat normally again on the morning of Day 3. Is that what you're doing??

LookBehindYou Fri 10-Aug-12 14:42:21

Hello all, can I join?
I had my two fast days on Wednesday and yesterday. The first day was hard but yesterday was easy (well, easier). I found it worked better for me if I had a big breakfast and tiny snack in the evening. I quite enjoyed the hollowed out feeling - felt very lean as MadBusLady said.

LouiseDavies Fri 10-Aug-12 15:48:09

Hi everyone, I've just joined after seeing the programme on Monday.As I'm an older mum (children all grown up) the health benefits were the main interest. (As there is diabetes,cancer and heart disease on both parents' sides)I also would like to lose around a stone too) I've been researching all week and nice to see this discussion ongoing with everyone sharing ideas. My conclusions have been that I am going to follow the 2 days/ 500 calories fasting by eating low carb, low sugar to get good nutrition and see how things go. That should give your insulin production a rest which would make sense for the research. Something along the lines of chicken or fish with veg as meal after work and salad and fruit in day. Have never only eaten two meals a day (willingly) so will try this and compare with eating over 3 times a day. Fingers crossed!

phlebas Fri 10-Aug-12 16:20:23

hi everyone! Today was another fast day - I modified it slightly so that I had my main meal at 4pm yesterday & have just eaten today (sardines, egg, some veggies & a slice of toast - 431 calories, 33.6g protein) so that I had a true 24 hour fast before the restricted calorie meal.

Yesterday was normal food - an apple & slice of toast with marmite mid morning, wrap with a falafel & salad for lunch & a small skimmed milk cappuccino, then we had veggie burgers in buns with salad for dinner - not low carb, but low-ish fat & low sugar. Have no idea how manay calories.

I felt really great today - not hungry at all & very energetic. I managed to fit into a pair or jeans & a dress that I haven't managed to wear since dc3 was a year old - dc4 is now 14 months blush Best of all I woke up without back pain (from an old injury) this morning which hasn't happened since I was last not fat.

Am resisting temptation to weigh myself - Monday is weigh in day & that will be the end of three weeks of ADF.

phlebas Fri 10-Aug-12 16:23:00

unhappyhildebrand I'm doing alternate day fasting rather than 5:2 because I have a lot of weight to lose. I'd love to get to the point where I can do 5:2 for health & to maintain my weight. DH is doing 5:2 & really doesn't want to lose weight ... not sure how that will work out.

phlebas Fri 10-Aug-12 16:36:36

In fact, this whole notion of 'you must eat breakfast' is a killer for me. If I don't eat breakfast, I don't get hungry, if I do eat breakfast, I'm ravenous all day long!

this is absolutely true for me too - the more frequently I eat the hungrier I am.

My dh is very slim, he's also sedentary, probably drinks too much & is at an age where all his friends are either getting fat or having to work very hard not to get fat - he puts no effort into it at all & eats what he wants (& usually a lot of it), though he has very little meat. But for the 15 years I've known him he has only had one meal a day (in the evening). Maybe that has something to do with it.

Someone (sorry) down thread asked where my protein comes from on fast days - primarily eggs (we eat a lot as we have hens) or fish (sardines or salmon).

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 16:41:07

Yes I agree re breakfast and the egg thing...most of my protein is from eggs too.
Not that fond of meat really, apart from lamb and chicken.

Chestnutx3 Fri 10-Aug-12 16:57:56

Think my first stage is just to give up eating breakfast. I was never overweight when I didn't eat breakfast. Will start 5:2 when term starts. Just can't do the fasting thing in front of the kids, also may end up shouting at them due to hunger blush. The holidays are the worse, too many picnics which involve bread. Sigh...

SilveryMoon Fri 10-Aug-12 17:05:56

I've just been telling dp about this and he wants to give out a go too.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 17:30:37

wheresmyperry, that's what I'm a little confused about, I'm doing a 24 hour break from all food, then I eat in the evening, but counting those calories in the Eating day's allowance so I'm still only eating one day's calories.

Does that make sense? I've done it like that based on "eat stop eat", and because I didn't want to go to bed hungry.

TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 17:33:46

But I love pineapples and bananas sad

<sniff>

I've noticed that today I haven't felt that hungry. I only had a light lunch of houmous and crudite and couldn't eat anything else.

We're having pasta and tomato sauce tonight. But I only eat about 50g dry weight of pasta anyway. And maybe some cheese.

DD made some chocolate chip cookies this afternoon and I didn't eat a single one. I did taste the mixture but now it just seemed too sweet.

TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 17:35:00

Well done Phlebas. Sounds like you might be in for some good news on Monday then! grin

Mojisola Fri 10-Aug-12 17:35:25

Good afternoon ladies, I am so happy to have found this forum. I stumbled on the 5:2 documentary by Mosely whilst looking for an Eastenders episode on the BBC website and found it fascinating. I decided yesterday that I'd give it a go. I have never dieted before but I have fasted occasionally in the past for spiritual purposes. I have decided on today and tomorrow as my fast days for this week and so far today I have had a bowl of porridge (50g before making it) with the blue-top milk and about a teaspoon of sugar as breakfast. I have been drinking cups of white tea (no sugar) since then and my tummy feels so bloated now (it only ever feels bloated when I am on my period which I'm not right now). It was rumbling earlier (the rumbling has stopped). Is this a normal reaction?
I must add at this point that my aim is to banish belly fat and gain all the benefits listed in the documentary of warding off certain diseases. I am a size 10 and from behind you'd think I was slim but my belly fat is visible in my side view and my dh teases me that i look preggie. I am 34 yrs old and would like a flat tummy but not been interested in other diet crazes until this one as it looks do-able to me. i got married just last year and we are looking at getting pregnant before the end of this year so i'd like a flat tummy before the baby is conceived so i dont look 'humoungous' when i do get pregnant smile
so... is this bloated feeling normal? is it my body's way of saying something?

CagneyNLacey Fri 10-Aug-12 19:03:21

Hi mojisola, have you joined myfitnesspal yet? You can enter everything you fat and drink and find out the exact calorie content of it and keep track/plan.

CagneyNLacey Fri 10-Aug-12 19:04:37

That should be 'everything you EAT' not 'fat' stupid auto correct!

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 19:08:30

Hehe, topical auto-correct. I "fat" quite a lot of things.

Good luck to everybody fasting tomorrow! I will now have a large gin

coffeeandcake Fri 10-Aug-12 19:21:13

HI. I watched the prog the other night too, and am very interested in doing this 5:2 thingy for health reasons (I am not overweight).

Do you ladies that are doing it sleep ok??? If I don't eat alot during a day, I always wake up ravenous in the night (perhaps my 500 calories should be scheduled in for 3am grin)

and is there a general consensous about splitting your calories or having in one single sitting? (sorry - there are 14 pages of this, and i haven't read all posts).

wheresmyperry Fri 10-Aug-12 19:36:07

I love love love the days I eat! (Wipes cake crumbs off sofa.)

What's with all the breakfast-haters? grin If I eat a good breakfast, I can go all day. I need breakfast. Lunch I can live without.

Kotinka I get it - you're eating the 500 calories only after you've gone 24 full hours of no calories at all, then waiting again until the next day to eat normally. I see your point.

Mojisola Lots of things can make you feel bloated. You might have a food sensitivity or intolerance? Probably a good idea to check with your GP about your belly.

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 19:45:13

Coffeeandcake - I think it comes down to personal preference - Dr Mosley had breakfast and dinner, but whatever floats your boat smile.

Just finished my 2nd day of fasting. I had just 2 'meals' today (lunch and dinner) which worked out much better for me. Dinner was prawns, broccoli and pak choi stir fry - found a lovely low cal soy, chilli and coriander dressing in M&S today which worked great with this and I expect to use quite a lot on my fast days!

Didn't feel hungry today, but did have another headache (caffeine/sugar withdrawal?)... Looking forward to tomorrow tho grin.

marinake Fri 10-Aug-12 19:47:13

Hi!
Joining you from over the big pond, watched the documentary last week and was fascinated. Been thinking about losing weight this summer, but not knowing how to get my head round it. Grandma has diabetes, ruined joints and is heavily overweight. Dad: heart-problems and other grandma had severe dementia. Don't want to end up like them!

So, today was my first fast-day.
Had two slices of bread with apple-spread for breakfast (the idea of skipping breakfast scares me!) and instant noodles for dinner. Been drinking mugs of green tea all day (since the Doctor advised that on twitter).
Afterwards I found this thread and got good inspiration for better meals, so thank you!

Thinking about which days to make my fast days. I'm off work on wed and thurs so one of them and then a day in the weekend, though that might prove hard.
I go to the gym on saturday-morning and have been thinking of starting the fast after lunch on saturday, not eating till sunday morning, light breakfast and then normal dinner on sunday. What do you think?

Hope you all have a great weekend, either fasting or not smile.
Thanks for all the geat links and tips!

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 20:01:56

Evening fasters and eaters.

I was on an eat day today (having fasted for 2 days). One of the unexpected results was I didn't feel like putting my hand in the biscuit tin. When shall we have a weigh in? I have bought some new scales.

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 20:08:39

Hi Marinake - are you new to mumsnet? If so welcome.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 20:21:51

wheresmyperry yup, kinda, and whatever I ate I knock off the next day, I'm aiming for 1500 cal a day so 6000 a week. Much more doable since I've been off the sauce grin

ameliameerkat Fri 10-Aug-12 20:27:27

Second fast day for me today, after eating yesterday. No breakfast. Soup and one slice of wholemeal bread for lunch. Banana mid afternoon. Carrots and dip made from low fat natural yoghurt for tea. Water, white tea and diet coke to drink. It was hot this afternoon and I felt a bit low in energy this afternoon, but definitely doable! Looking forward to eating tomorrow grin - I'm going out for nice lunch, I might even have some dessert grin

Aiming for 2 days on 500 cal a week, to lose a bit of weight.

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 20:30:16

I found today a bit tougher than the first one. Plus I've been continually peeing!

LookBehindYou Fri 10-Aug-12 21:15:02

The peeing is good isn't it Kotinka? Always a sign of a good loss for me.
I felt fine yesterday but am exhausted today and feel very ratty. This will take some getting used to.

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 21:19:29

Well I couldn't manage that much to eat today. Just 1039 calories. I found myself eating smaller things. So a nibble here and there and beans on toast for tea. Lots and
Lots of water. I weigh myself on a Sunday. So will be doing that then! Looking forward to my fast days next week. I feel great!

kotinka Fri 10-Aug-12 21:19:34

yes LookBehindYou me too , definitely ratty by 6pm.

marinake Fri 10-Aug-12 21:38:24

Yes, new to mumsnet, found this thread whilst looking for ideas about the 5:2 diet. No good info in Dutch.
Was watching Olympics and feeling actually a bit sickish, had some crackers to pick myself up. Hope my second day somewhere next week will go better.

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 21:55:23

Marinake - you will soon find mumsnet very additive - you have been warned.
wink.

Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 21:59:25

I have been set a task by my gp to lower my 5.8 cholestrol score through diet and phys in 3 monthsor go on statins. It will be interesting to see thw result after 5 and 2. On my first day of fasting today and been ok but getting aheadache now

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MrsNouveauRichards Sat 11-Aug-12 07:36:07

Hello. I recognise some of you from the LC bootcamp. Low carb worked for me, but I found after 2 weeks I was miserable and getting gut ache. I want to lose weight, but really I want to be healthy. My mother's side of the family are the unhealthiest bunch, anything you could have, someone has got it!

I tried a low calorie day, just to see how/what etc. and despite eating mostly veg for the entire day, with only a small slip up, I was up to my 1300 calorie limit on MFP. Gutted grin

I am trying to improve my family's diet, but not by cutting stuff out, more by adding more fruit, veg, wholegrain etc. If I could do the 5:2 on top of this, hopefully that will be a really good result.
Before I met DH I would often have a couple of days every 6 weeks or so where I just wasn't hungry and would live of a little fruit or something. My weight balanced itself.

I too find having breakfast makes me hungrier through the day.

I am going to attempt a fast day on Monday, and think I'll stick to packaged food to start so easier to keep track.

Sorry for epic post! grin

Badvoc Sat 11-Aug-12 08:27:10

So.
I have read the alternate day diet.
Am going to try 3 fasting days per week of 500 cals next week...mon, weds and fri.
My weight this morning is 73.8kgs.
I want to lose 10 kgs.
The book suggests ready made shakes like,slim fast etc to start with to make it easiermdor you but I can't have them as I didn't cant have milk. I have but some 92 cal cups soups to have, as well as fruit.

notsoold Sat 11-Aug-12 09:41:24

Hi there!!!
I planned my week and today is my fasting day!

Although healthy I want to lose weight and to see if my biscuits/cake/ sugar goes down because sometimes seems I am married to Mr kipling!!!!

I will have teas during the day and a meal dinner time!

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 10:05:55

I am on fast day 2, after 2 days of normal eating. I hope this is as easy as the first one was!

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 10:21:31

I actually feel sick today, but that could be related to teh sunburn I got yesterday sad

dontcallmehon Sat 11-Aug-12 10:31:31

Hi all, good luck to those of you fasting today. I'm doing the ADF to start with. I'm trying to eat as little as possible on the fast days, so yesterday I had a veggie sausage and a boiled egg. I did have a few cups of tea with milk, as I don't like black tea. Have also been drinking hot water with lemon balm and mint from the garden, which is very refreshing.

On a food day today . Had a blueberry muffin and scrambled egg on toast. Am noticing I feel fuller than I normally would. Really like this diet, as I frequently skip meals and always assumed it was a bad thing. This way of eating makes sense to me, as I don't feel deprived.

Slimandhappy Sat 11-Aug-12 10:44:34

How do I refresh the chat on here? I am missing the comments

suja1983 Sat 11-Aug-12 10:52:45

Morning everyone.

Like I said, went out yesterday and ended up at mcds after a lot of alcohol!!!! :s

Fast day today and I'm actually looking forward to it!! Feel like I could do with the hollow feeling after the excesses of yesterday.

Im really hoping that this fasting thing is going to sort out the mindless eating that I do generally.

Good luck fasters!! smile

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ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 11:11:03

suja, I too was (weirdly) looking forward to sating again today! Never in my life did I think I would look forward to not eating! I loved the feeling of emptiness and the hollow tummy feeling I had last time.

ameliameerkat Sat 11-Aug-12 11:18:15

I found the second fast day yesterday still pretty tough, and I'm finding I'm definitely eating more on the non-fast days as I'm just much hungrier! I'm looking forward to 3 days of eating normally now smile. Next fast day on Tuesday, then Thursday. Going to find some low cal soup to make.

Hi all can I just look in on you from time to time, please? I am just lurking but wanted to say 'hi'.

Am interested in the 5:2 and would like to talk to my doc as I have a lot of weight to lose and have problems with blood pressure. Am currently losing OK but would also like to get the health benefits from the 5:2.

blackcatsdancing you mentioned blood work. I wonder if the doctor might do that for you? I think I will ask mine. My Mum has Parkinson's so I definitely have an interest in not developing that disease.

alfiemama you mentioned books I saw this on another mumsnet thread www.genesisuk.org/media-centre/articles/The%20Intermittent%20diet%20.html

Oh unhappyhildebrand peppermint tea! I used to fast more for religious reasons when I was younger and I started drinking peppermint tea! I associated it with fasting so much that for ages I hated it! Now I drink green tea a lot and love it.

ILoveStripeySock