5:2 Diet Thread

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kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:11:14

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alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:32:58

Hi Kotinka, thanks for the thread.
I will give it a go. Not sure I can do one meal straight off though so may split into 2 and work up to it.

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 10:33:37

I'm into my third week & have lost 8lbs so far (BMI was 36 after birth 4th baby).

I'm doing ADF rather than 5:2 because I have more weight to lose. My dh has just started 5:2 for health reasons (he has a high risk of Alzheimer', grandfather diagnosed at 50 & father in his 60s) - he is slim & doesn't want to lose weight though reducing fat % would be bonus.

ADF suits me - when I've tried typical diets I feel hungry through the day because you are encouraged to eat breakfast & snacks- the more times I eat in the day the hungrier I feel. Fasting makes me less hungry, in my usual eating pattern I miss breakfast & lunch & typically eat a small meal at 3ish then dinner with my dh at 7:30ish - I just eat too much of the wrong stuff wink

Yesterday was a non-fast day, I had a couple of cups of white coffee for breakfast, late lunch was a veggie sausage (grilled)/salad/boiled egg sandwich (no butter or dressing but I wouldn't use either normally), dinner was steamed veggie & a slice of homemade mushroom pizza (basically small portion of what the kids were having). Lots of water & a couple of cups of tea during the day.

Today is a fast day & I usually have the same most days, sometimes fish rather than egg - white coffee (I hate black & count milk into my calories), boiled egg, leafy salad, steamed veggies & miso soup. Sometimes I split sometimes just one meal.

I don't low carb particularly on either day (makes me feel very very ill & I want something that I can maintain easily - i.e. must be able to eat what rest of family is) & I aim to keep protein low-ish (around 40g) on fast days. I'm avoiding cakes/chocolate/biscuits entirely because I can consume a huge amount of calories in no time at all & it is easier to not eat them at all than portion control - that mean calories intake on non-fast day probably less than before but I'm not trying for low calorie particularly & don't calorie count. I don't have alcohol on fast days.

So far I've found it really easy - first few days were hard (chocolate withdrawal!). I would find it impossible to give up my coffee & I occasionally feel a bit light headed on fast days if I do I split the calories rather than one meal.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 10:33:39

I'm in grin This is my fist fast day, going fab so far, no hunger pangs! Hoping to have a 250 cal meal at 12 and another at 5ish. I have been drinking pomegranate green tea all morning.

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 10:34:16

I'm in for a go! Not eaten since 8pm last night, plan on one dinner later today.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:35:13

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PuppyMonkey Wed 08-Aug-12 10:38:08

I saw the programme and am fascinated. Don't need to lose weight particularly, but the health benefits seemed amazing. My trouble is, i've never really calorie counted and have no idea what a 5/600 calorie meal would be. Any suggestions? On the prog, the scientist suggested a massive omelette meal - but not sure i could do that at work, for instance!

FuntimeFelicity Wed 08-Aug-12 10:39:23

Marking place. I'm 37, 5', 9st 7lbs and carrying it all around my middle and on my boobs. My mum has the early signs of thinning bones so I need to get the excess shifted while I can.

I used to do something similar to this at university, although not out of choice, just because the food and money usually ran out before the end of the week! I survived and certainly felt more alert and was much slimmer grin.
<blithely ignores youth as a factor>

I'm planning on eating my 'fast day' calories as a big breakfast (which is usually the meal we all sit down together at anyway) on a Monday and Tuesday, which is when my willpower is at it's strongest grin.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Wed 08-Aug-12 10:39:52

I'm in - fasting today.
Lovely peach for breakfast and I'll have a M&S Fuller Longer meal for lunch (about 350-400 cals). Then nothing. Lots of water.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 10:44:35

My meals that I have planned today ...

12 pm - 1 boiled egg, some charry toms, pepper sticks, cucumber, an oatcake and a cupasoup - will take me to 240 cals

5pm - 2 x Youngs Cod in parsley sauce & steamed cauliflower, should be under 250 cals (fish is 200 exactly).

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 10:44:54

yeah I was vegetarian which makes low carb difficult - I've recently began eating fish sometimes which helps but can't be major part of my diet. I don't enjoy the Atkins type foods particularly so it just won't work for me. I used to do 2 & 3 day fasts in my 20s but couldn't do that now!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:45:18

Hi everyone.

Yes kotinka I'm going to give it a whirl today. I ate something at 9pm last night so going to see if I can get through to lunch and keep it low cal around 250 and then eat at 5.
So far had copious amounts of black
Are you doing the one meal Kotinka?

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 10:45:23

count me in. I'm doing Thursday and Mondays as they are busy work days, also never see DP on Thursday so don't have to watch him eat!

I too will probably start with the calories split over 2 meals. In fact Mosley did that and got great blood work results. I'm not completely against idea of one main meal around 2pm ish. I know if i eat a large sunday lunch i don't want to eat later on. Actually eating one meal at 2pm wont work as its the end of my lunch hour. Maybe I can try one meal at 6pm on Mondays and split the two on Thursdays when its my dreaded late finish. Anyway i 'll weigh in tomorrow morning and that will be my first day.

Good luck to everyone trying this.

I would love to be able to compare my bloodwork like he did though (but i won't be paying for that so not going to happen). My background diet is generally quite good but i am an emotional eater, not got much weight to lose. I do have a fondness for sweet things and cakes/pastries/icecream especially. I've stopped snacking recently as i believe snacking to be the work of the devil! (unless you're having a healthy post or pre work out snack). Very interested in the possibility that this could be a preventative factor to ward off ill health in later life.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 10:52:42

phlebas ditto the effects of snacks on me. I find it much easier to reduce the number of times i eat on any given day as a way to control hunger and avoid just eating a bit more. Basically for me the more often i can eat the more i will eat.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:53:24

Just been thinking. In my twenties I used to skip brekkie and never had to diet. Then read it was bad and you should eat brekkie
hmm Now wonder if this was all a diet industry ploy. hmm

I've already cut sugar out of diet so hoping won't get too many side affects.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 10:53:25

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alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:54:39

Blackcats and phlebas, I'm the same.

CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 10:54:54

Count me in. Not eaten yet but going to have porridge and semi skimmed milk for late breakfast/early lunch then think i will have 2 veg sausage with steamed veg for dinner. Getting a bit excited about this!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 10:59:07

Oh my Kotinka, you are very brave. You can be our ultimate guinea piggrin
Have you fasted before?

It's 11am and first hunger pangs are hitting. Time for another brewwink

I'd be interested in any books on this. Anyone know of any? I'm sure I am a wannabe dietician just too greedy. grin

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 11:03:19

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blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 11:04:55

cagneyNlacey i may steal your food choices!

anyway off to get some frozen fish . Sainsburys have an offer on their frozen quorn products at the moment. Two for £2 , so pretty much 2 for 1. I got two packets of frozen quorn cumberland sauages (6 sausages in each) for £2 .

86 cals per sausage.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 11:08:54

Ha ha you know I mean smile
9 days oh my! Did you just eat very little? My friend had to do very low fat lost loads but put it all back on.

Mosley must have cut his sugar down. This
Must have had some bearing on his bloods. Could it not just be this and restricting cals that worked?

Thanks Kotinka, I will check out that book. I had wheat belly lined up nextblush

unhappyhildebrand Wed 08-Aug-12 11:12:38

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CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 11:12:48

Blackcats, the Linda McCartney red onion and rosemary sausages are only 128 cals for 2, according to fitnesspal- am off to buy some of those plus the cod in parsley sauce, which for 200 cal sounds good, as does the m and s fuller for longer meals!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 11:18:52

Kotinka, the reviews look good thanks

Found this link which is interesting.


kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 11:34:00

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Arana Wed 08-Aug-12 11:55:28

Hey I'll join this smile

Put 10kgs on in the last 2 months since I changed meds and started eating loads of shite.

My fast days will be Monday and Wednesday - we get fruit boxes at work, so I'll have a protein shake for breakfast and snack on fruit for the rest of the day and keep dinner small.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 12:02:12


I am a good 4 stones overweight. Ok, really 5.

I decided I Was Not Going To Be Fat and Forty - so, put on a stone and half in tme for my birthday. Sheesh.

This 5:2 makes sense to me. Will try it, there's no "bad foods" and no Must Do's - so, it'll suit my panicky approach...

Friends fo mine are meeting for a weigh in on a Saturday morning. £5 into th pot. If you gain, £10. Pot to be used for a blow out treat once we are thinner...genius.

So far today, I've had 2 poached eggs, 2 slices wholemeal toast, 0.5tin beans and an apple. And, about 4 cups of tea.

Am off to my fitness pal...

ArthurPewty Wed 08-Aug-12 12:06:05

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jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 12:25:41

I have started this. It really helps to drink plenty of water on your fast days.

flapinko Wed 08-Aug-12 12:30:31

Can I join please? Been meaning to do this for ages, but like another poster said, I'm not that up to speed with calorie counting so ended up guessing and botching it. Think I need a bit of support to get me through the fasting days too, as so difficult to exercise willpower not to pick when you are cooking kids tea, followed by DH's. Interested to see other people's fasting meal choices and how they cope.

MeanMrsMustard Wed 08-Aug-12 12:32:10

Hi, Can I join in too?
I have read the other thread and bits and a few articles, but have not yet watched the tv programme. I'm going to try and find it later on. It sounds very interesting.
I am exactly 13 stone and a size 16 at the moment. I have had a few attempts at losing lately, but really am getting depressed about my looks now, so really need to sort it out.
I have already eaten about 300 Kcals today, so i'll probably have my first fast day tomorrow.
Oh, and i'm on my fitness pal as MeanMrsMustard if anyone wants to add me.

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 12:38:43

I just had half a slice of toast. Am quite hungry now I must say

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 12:38:44

Hi, I've come across from the other thread.

Today is my first day, I am 36, 5" 1 and weigh 9st 7lbs. I want to lose that 7 lbs in time for my wedding.
I'm very fit but have a little extra fat around my middle, arms and boobs to get rid of. I do around an hours exercise 4-5 days a week.

I had two slices of wholemeal toast with marmite and low fat spread this morning, a cup of tea with one sugar and a skinny latte around 11am.

Am now having a mug of bovril.

Tea tonight is two boiled eggs, lots of lettuce, some grated carrot, red pepper.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 12:47:01

It is quite amazing. I think we have all forgotten what it is like to feel hungry we are so used to grazing on food.

Some suggested foods are :
1 Beetroot salad with peeled apple. The peel of the apple has all the nutrients. To avoid the waste stew the rest of the apple and give to children/babies as weaning food or have it on your non fast day
2. Plain omelette
3. Sticks of carrot
3. Wafer thin salmon and rocket salad with beetroot.
4. Tinned mackerel in tomato sauce with rice and green beans/veg.

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 12:48:42

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ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:49:14

Someone asked about a book ... the UpDayDownDay diet by a bloke called Johnson is supposed to be good. He advocates one day fasting/one day not though, but I believe he goes into the science of it all.

Just had my lunch, I wasnt even ravenous when I had it (miracle). The cup-a-soup was rank, so I am going to be better organsied for my nest fast day & make my own veg soup.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 12:51:09


Just counted up my calories - and my healthy and nutritionally balanced meal of 2 poached eggs, 2 slices wholemeal toast, a scrape of butter and 0.5 tin beans is...778 kcal.

This is what comes of trying every diet invented, doing them all badly and retaining nuggets of twaddle from each one...Slimming World says eggs and beans are "free"

I've been following the 5:2 for two hours - and blown it already.


TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 12:52:06

Veg soup is a great idea. Always fills me up

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 12:52:34

Remember it is not about eating nothing (unless you are doing the alternate day fasting). You are aiming to eat no more than 600 calories on the fast days). Keeping busy really helps as well. If you are getting the rumbles put the kettle on and have hot water. I found that I didn't need tea/coffee and my body had become accustomed to hot/warm water.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:53:40

MeanMrsMustard, have added you on MFP smile

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 12:53:56

Oh it was me stripey, thanks I will check it out. I love self help booksblush

Just had a tin of tomato soup at 260cals which was quite satisfying. I agree we have forgotten what real hunger is.

Niceupthedance Wed 08-Aug-12 12:55:44

I'm in!
Had a meal at 3pm yesterday
7am this morning had a bowl of berries
Will have half a carton of veg soup around 2pm then see how I feel at dinner time.

I am really trying to stop eating refined carbs and aiming for 70% raw food on non fast days. I like the idea of the health benefits of fasting... Maybe too good to be true though?

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:55:54

I plan to keep my fast days low-carb, as carbs make you hungrier. Today wasnt low carb though, as I didnt prepare properly for it sad

HipHopSkipJumpomous Wed 08-Aug-12 12:57:47

nanky your post made me laugh!!! (not in a mean way - In an I CAN RELATE way) grin
What a bummer - just shows how quickly the calories add up! I know if there is butter in the house, I will gain weight smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:59:16

nanky, do you think you can fast for the rest of the day? I really do recommend you plan your fats days the day before, check on myfitnesspal what cals your food is & then stick to it. It will make life much easier with hopefully no slip-ups smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 12:59:45

Not fats day! FAST! sorry blush

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 13:01:11

I'd love a fats daygrin

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 13:04:54

hip hop - that's a good thing! This is the sort of thing that usually leads me to think "might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" and I'll set about hoovering up everything and anything available...I've been doing rather a lot of "investment eating" in the last three months readying myself for the deprivation of a(nother) diet. 3" on the hips worth. Sheesh. It's just illogical.

Socks - yes, I don't feel remotely hungry. And, am about to go out for a yomp to the bank and supermarket. So, that's good. And, am going to the supermarket for soda crystals And Not Any Wine Or Lardy Items. No.

Planning is the key to being slim (something I have observed, but not mastered), but, my planning usually gets lost in the mire of "wheresma" and squabbling and chaos that is my life...

However, I do feel enouraged that I am "only" 100 and odd kcal over. That's better than normal!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 13:06:59

Nanky, it's still probably better than you would normally do, so just eat lowish today and perhaps do another day tomorrow.
Although, I know I would be tempted to make today the pig out day and start tomozblush

CJCregg Wed 08-Aug-12 13:10:00

Can I join in please?

I feel like a bit of a fad dieter. In the past year I've done Dukan, low-carb and various others, and all I do is lose weight and then binge eat.

I watched the Horizon programme and was blown away by the simplicity of it, and the health benefits.

So, today is also my first fast day. I've had black coffee, tea and water so far. Thinking about what to have for lunch. I hate counting calories. Still, at least it's only 500 grin

I'm really not hungry so far shock

MeanMrsMustard Wed 08-Aug-12 13:12:35

Thanks ILoveStripeySocks. I havent tracked for a while (neither have most of my mfp friends) and it really helps me to see other people on there using it too.

I'm another one who has done lots of diets over the years. I remember an unofficial weightwatchers plan where you split your points unevenly across the week so youd have lots to eat one day and less the next. It seemed to nudge weight loss quite well, so I'm keen to see what the results of this diet are like.

I think I'm going to split my 500kcals into 2 meals too for the beginning at least.

I'm in too, I'm useless at diets and have no willpower, sounds good doesn't it but this looks really simple and I like the idea of 2 on and 5 off. I'm 43, 11 stone and 5'7" and would like to be able to wear my old clothes again.

I'm planning on Monday / Weds as the fast days, so far today I've had some salad with half a portion of salmon, strawberries and a little yoghurt, should be about 250 cals. Small portion of couscous with tomato and veg sauce tonight. I don't think I'l be able to have just one meal so I'm splitting it between two at first.

I'm doing it with Dh, who doesn't need to lose weight but does want the potential health benefits. Plus we might save some cash eating less.

Good luck everyone.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:24:19

I just had a look through my (vast) cookbook collection, and found a very think one called 500 for 500!! Its 500 healthy & nutritious meals for under 500 cals, I think this may be a godsend.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:25:36
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hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 13:34:55

I also watched that, really interesting and I'm going to give it a go. I've got lots of vegetables that I need to use up so I think I'll start fasting tomorrow, possibly.

nutritiondata.self.com/ is a fantastic website that someone linked me to, which lets you search for about a million different foods and gives you a huge range of values for them - not just calorie count but also protein, sodium, and shitloads of other information.

Does anyone think it'd be good to have a thread specifically for 500-calorie meal plans?

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:37:29

hopkin, that might be useful, though I am going to do 2 x 250 cal meals I think (tostart with anyway).

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wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 13:40:45

I'm in!

Did my first fast day yesterday, which went incredibly well. I felt hungry by 8pm (only ate a bowl of cereal with milk for breakfast, then just water), but not ravenous, and even after making dinner for the children I wasn't tempted to eat anything. I went for a one and a half hour walk during the day, and fasting seemed to have no effect one way or the other on my energy level. I felt... fine.

I'm eating today, then planning to fast again tomorrow. I'm going for a 5:2 rather than ADF.

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 13:45:37

I only ate one meal yesterday, but curious as to why one meal only may be best on fast days? Mosely said in his BBC article that there are no hard & fast rules as there simply hasn't been enough human testing done to determine what works and doesn't. He himself at two light meals.

I was also wondering if, really, in 5:2, the 2 days should be consecutive. But I'm not going there!

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 13:48:26

On Twitter, Mosely said that he has had to cut back to 6:1 now, as he was losing too much weight! He has 2 meals a day on his fast days, so it must still work fine.

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hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 13:54:32

Cool, I'll start it smile

I'm also a bit apprehensive about just having one 500 calorie meal on fast days, to be honest... But if the evidence says that's what gives maximum benefit I'm just going to have to suck it up!

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 13:57:20

Yeah, Kotinka, that's why I was wondering about the 2 days in a row - that a longer period of fasting would have more impact on the underlying health goals.

For me, eating 2 meals on fast days would be more trouble than it's worth - as it's twice you need to worry about food. I'd prefer to have my normal breakfast, which is under 500 anyway, and then tough it out until the next day. But in the absence of hard evidence, I suppose whatever gets you through!

Stripey - interesting Mosely's gone down to 6:1. I wonder how that's played with his bloodwork?

kotinka Wed 08-Aug-12 13:58:46

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wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 14:00:52

Good for him! If 6:1 works as well as 5:2, clearly we'll all be downgrading to 6:1 when we feel our weight is where it needs to be.

greenwichgroove Wed 08-Aug-12 14:05:29

Marking place

drjohnsonscat Wed 08-Aug-12 14:14:53


I lost a lot of weight on a vlcd and have managed to keep most of it off for the best part of a year through eating a lot lot less most days - my normal days are probably at about 800 cals (and basically skipping breakfast so there's a 16 hour fast in there anyway) and then I save the rest for dinner out and wrong days where I eat whatever the hell I can! It's sort of working so far.

But interested to see that there's a medical reason to do a version of this too. It's interesting that last week it was all

- avoid yoyo dieting
- always have breakfast
- eat little and often

and this week all that's out the window. Just goes to show how little we still know about this stuff. VLCDs aren't the mainstream "recommended" way forward either but it worked for me so I think the medical profession has got a lot of thinking to do on what works and what doesn't.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 14:27:50

Dr John - that's what I wonder about too!

I have a theory that because (careful I don't trip you up with my sweeping generalisation here) most GP's and dieticians don't have weight issues themselves they don't "get it"

EVERYTHING I have read about diets goes on about eat this it'll fill you up.

Smashing. But, I have no idea what it feels like to actually BE hungry. If I eat, or don't eat, I don't get this sensation - maybe a bit of tummy growling, and a lot of short temperedness, but not "hunger"

So, I'm sunk - I eat because I am sad, or bored, or happy, or busy. Or, because I'm making dinner and it's in my hand so I nibble away as I cook - and beforeI know it, I've eaten a meal's worth of raw carrot and ingrediants...and still eat the dinner because, well, it's dinner time now.

I don't get hungry.

I think this could be a really good way of re-educating myself. Fingers crossed.

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 14:30:21

Up to now, I've always gone very carefully - watch what I eat, exercise, avoid losing more than 1 pound/week. That is sustainable, I lost weight and my weight has stayed more or less the same for a year. I've never done a fad diet.

I'm more interested in the possible underlying health benefits of this.

I'm not overweight, but am in the upper end of a normal BMI, and realise I really should be in the lower end of the 'normal' range.

drjohnsonscat Wed 08-Aug-12 14:36:24

Actually for me nanky, that's spot-on what VLCDs did for me. It helped me work out what it meant to be hungry. And helped me to understand that I could be hungry and it would be ok.

In a normal diet you are holding out for the next meal which might sate you but in a VLCD there isn't a meal coming so you get used to living with hunger (which actually abates after a while anyway). I was also interested to find that hunger doesn't just grow and grow - it grows, then it goes away, then it comes back again. It sort of ebbs and flows. I think I was living with the fear that hunger would eventually overwhelm me (and I do suffer with blood sugar problems so there is a real risk that low blood sugar would just stop me getting on with my day) but a) the hunger doesn't overwhelm - it sort of stops bothering you after a while and b) the blood sugar seems to be much more under control when you eat less, for some reason.

Anyway, it's all v interesting. And I'm interested in the Alzheimers stuff - it's such a horrible disease that we must find a way to stop.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Wed 08-Aug-12 14:52:11

Had my M&F Fuller Longer meal for lunch - I really do love these. Today it was Asian Style hot & sour chicken noodles - 380cals.

So I've done 495 cals today (peach, milk in coffee, lunch).

Nothing more this afternoon and evening.. Just water & herbal teas. But I can do anything for one day & tomorrow I can eat what I like.

nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 14:57:08

dr john - VLCD, is that something ike Lighter Life? That makes sense if it is - previously I've been very disparaging of things like that...after all, it's not really in Weight Watchers interest for me to lose weight. It's in their interest for me to lose, and then gain, and then lose, and then gain, and then lose....

But, the truth of the matter is that I CAN'T do it on my own. Just tried, and gained 3" on my hips.

Am away to google LL...

drjohnsonscat Wed 08-Aug-12 15:03:49

it's like LighterLife - it was actually called Lipotrim which you get from the chemist (and you do a weigh-in there) - it's basically the cheapo version but the idea is the same.

It's interesting how dismissive people are of VLCDs (and bariatric surgery) because it's not the way it "ought" to be done but actually in my experience VLCDs have a higher success rate than the calorie counting route perhaps because weight loss is more complex than people (and GPs) like to think. I mention bariatric surgery because a close friend had it and it transformed her life. She wasn't stupid or lazy before - she just struggled. And this helped her and now, three years on, her life is on track. She lost probably 8 stone and has kept almost all of it off.

Both of us agree that it was helpful to be able to get back to "the beginning" and to have something to protect (ie, our weight loss). When you are slogging down through half a pound a week of weight loss (or sometimes nothing) it's hard to have the motivation through the months (and years) that are required. For me it was good to have rapid results and then have something to fight to hold on to.

FuntimeFelicity Wed 08-Aug-12 15:06:12

Interesting Nanky. When I was in my teens and 20s, I'd feel full after small meals. It was a standing joke that if we went for a pub lunch and I couldn't get a children's meal, I would be aplogising to the waitress at the end saying, "I'm really sorry, it was lovely but I'm full" with at least 50% still on the plate. I felt properly sick if I ate too much.

Now in my 30s and 2 dc later, I can polish off a pub portion of steak and ale pie and chips without too much problem blush. Bearing in mind I'm only 5' it's a bit shocking.

My diet isn't that bad. I'm not overweight enough to feel that I need to make drastic changes and so general calorie reduction works for a while and then I'm miserable. I like the idea of something that just say 'steady on, take a breather and let your body catch up a bit' IYSWIM.

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 15:06:48

Am starving! Had my Bovril and have been drinking water. Have just had a v small handful of raisins and a v small handful of seeds.

Am still fantasising about tea although because I have had the raisins and seeds I am now down to 1 egg with my green salad, carrot and pepper......

I am hoping this gets easier to do shock

wheresmyperry Wed 08-Aug-12 15:18:23

Sorry, miniwedge. Can you do something to take your mind off it? The hunger will pass.

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Fieldette Wed 08-Aug-12 15:30:42

I've come over from the other thread, I posted there too.

Initially I thought that 5:2 would work best, now I wonder whether doing ADF with Monday, Wednesday and Friday as fast days with my lifestyle.

I can't see that doing ADF but with a two day non-fast (Sat & Sun) in the middle would stop it being as effective.

drjohnsonscat your post about the hunger ebbing and flowing is interesting. Sometimes I feel I am about to keel over with hunger (just generally, not on one of the fast days - which I haven't tried properly yet) and then I eat, but I will be fascinated to see what happens if I just ignore it and keep going.

I would imagine a large part of it is pyscological, we are so used to being 'hungry' and then eating on demand. I guess part of this is learning to really listen to your body and know when it is properly hungry not just 'pretend' hungry or actually thirsty.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 15:40:48

You will get used to the hunger. It doesn't get worse and worse it ebbs and flows. Have some hot/warm water. We are supposed to feel hungry. Its a feeling that many of us have forgotten as we are used to immediately satisfying it.

I think 100g of beetroot has only 37 calories. Thats my saviour.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 16:26:34

Im surprisingly not very hungry! Had lunch at 12pm, and I am going to prolong my inner for as long as I can. DH is going to make dinner for him & the kids, and I am going to hide upstairs because I will fail if i smell/see their scampi & chips!

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 16:27:41

Prolong my dinner!

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 16:28:05

miniwedge it should get easier. When i stopped snacking i was ravenous the first few days but i got used to it and as i started eating a bit more slowly and mindfully at mealtimes my stomach soon shrunk which meant i needed less food. i found drinking lots of water helped.

I have to say i've never got the eat little and often thing, it doesn't work for me. In no snacking cultures such as France they have far lower rates of obesity .

Yes plan ahead! And calorie counting doesnt need to be so boring. Its only 2 days a week and only 500 calories. You will soon know the calories of the foods you are likely to eat. I've just checked out this: a jar of lloyd grossman tomato and basil sauce has 213.50 calories, there's enough sauce in there for 3 portions (at the rate of sauce i like), maybe more with less pasta per meal than i usually have. So divided by 3 that's 71 for the sauce plus 50g dry pasta (not the egg enriched type) is 178 calories, so 249 calories altogether. I'd probably cook the whole lot in one go to save an open jar of sauce being left in the fridge. Eat one portion that day, freeze the other two.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 16:30:12

you could add a huge amount of rocket or spinach to that meal i've just posted for almost zero extra calories, plus its cheap! and healthy!

TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 16:32:31

I'm starving too. Walked today, drank a lot of water. But I am enjoying the hunger...although I am quite grumpy with the kids blush

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 16:50:56

cagneyNlacey couldn't get those sausages anywhere!

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alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 16:59:56

Hubby has just said shall we have a G & T tonight. Even though he watched it with me and we said we would do together. grin
For some strange reason he has had 6 bananas. (he's not trying to lose weight)

I don't think he gets it. Do you?wink

I'm thinking prawns or couscous for tea.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:04:30

Courtesy oh phacelia on the other thread
250 cal meals whoooooo hoooo


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blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 17:12:50

6 bananas!! that's almost as bad as charles saatchi's egg only diet- didn't he eat 8 eggs a day? why of why? with all that money i'd have had grilled lobster/ grilled fish/ giant grilled prawns every day with a side of green salad, not to mention a platter of tropical fruit, all prepared and cooked by my personal chef of course (i don't mean Nigella!!)
curiously it worked rather well.

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alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:16:59

I have no idea ((drool drool at the toast))
It will be worth it ladieswink
Full bag if prawns 170cals result. Might treat myself to some apple skin afterwards hmmconfused

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:17:43

It would bung you up something chronic.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 17:24:31

Thanks for that link ALfie!

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:27:52

You're welcome stripy.
I'm ogling the cake recipes blush

CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 17:28:20

Christ i am starving!

I have a ww macaroni cheese ready meal in the fridge, it's 352 cals. Sodding porridge and milk for brunch was 241 though and as it's Day 1 i feel like i should be super strict and not go over at all.

Have been out walking all afternoon and had water and decaf coffee all afternoon.

alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:28:20

Oops stripey. Sorry daft phoneconfused

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alfiemama Wed 08-Aug-12 17:37:17

Ha ha oops yes I would. You're doing fab.

greenwichgroove Wed 08-Aug-12 17:40:20

Well its 5.40 and I'm not even hungry but I've had to stop myself hunting round for snacks out of habbit. The problem is I usually go to my mums at weekend and she makes stodge so that's where I will struggle.

blackcatsdancing Wed 08-Aug-12 17:40:21

a bit posh for everyday but found this in my The Italian diet book by Gino D'acampo . There are a few very low cal ideas in there. Anyway this has 124 calories per portion (serves 4). 1.4g fat per portion, I'd serve with salad only for me and salad plus rice or spuds for DP

anyway am done for the day and at work tomorrow so no internet until lunchtime. DP hates me talking about diets as he has type 1 diabetes so its really good to discuss on here. well done today everyone!

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jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 18:13:13

I'm just going to start cooking Tuna and Tomato Rice (346 calories). I found it in the BBC Good Food Low Fat Feasts.

Harimad Wed 08-Aug-12 18:19:44

Hi all!
Would like to join in...
I'm going to do Mon/Weds/Fri as 500 cal days (read about ADF before hearing about 5:2 and am going half way!).

My first day today and I've had a skinny latte (bfast) with miso soup, a banana and an apple for lunch, and am having salad for dinner. Works out a smidge over 500cals. Am on the train home now and ravenous!

I'm on mfp, Harimad1 - would love the support.
I'm 5' 7" and around 12 1/2 stone (have avoided the scales recently...)

Have high hopes for this one as I love the idea of eating normally half the time!

greenwichgroove Wed 08-Aug-12 18:26:13

Oh gosh dd has left her bag of cream eggs from cadburys outlet on my bed sad I don't want them I don't want them.....

FelixCited Wed 08-Aug-12 18:39:57

Found you! Coming over from yesterday's thread.
All ready to start tomorrow, going to get some nice herbal teas to take the edge off the hunger smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 18:51:56

Well, thats all my food consumed for day 1 of fasting. Have eaten 488 worth of calories, and I am a teeny bit hungry but nothing I cant cope with. Anything I can nibble for 12 cals? grin

Lunch was salad, dressing, boiled egg, oatcake & a cup a soup
Dinner was 2 portions of cod in parsley sauce & steamed cauliflower

4 cups of green tea, 8 glasses of water.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 18:55:00

Have added you on MFP Harimad smile

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 18:55:55

Felix, welcome! I have been having pomagranate flavoured green tea, tastes nice & has definitely helped with the pangs!

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TheCunningStunt Wed 08-Aug-12 19:03:03

I had two litres of water, three cups of tea, half a slice of toast and a small portion of curry with pepper, onion, mushroom and chicken with brown rice for tea. I feel quite lightheaded.......am going to do my two days back to back this week. Tomorrow will be planned better!

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ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:06:37

kotinka, are you doing a no-food-at-all fast?

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nankypeevy Wed 08-Aug-12 19:08:13

Wow. This is great. I have a good feeling about using MN and MFP to get healthier.

After my balls up lovely 700kcal brunch, I am only now starting to get a weeny bit hungry.

Been drinking water every time I feel hungry - and, amazeballs - it GOES AWAY. And, I have not vanished into a greasy spot.

Did some walking today too. And, more amazeballs - did not eat the kids' sweets. (this is a first. I pretend it's to "save their teeth" But, really, it's that I like haribos)

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miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 19:11:53

Evening all! Thank you so much for your support earlier, kept telling myself the hunger would go and it did! Kinda.......

Have just had evening meal and a absolutely stuffed. I had boiled egg, loads of lettuce, rocket, 1 large grated carrot and a dessert spoon of low fat cottage cheese.

I actually can't believe how full I am, I'm hoping this works for me, those seven lbs just will not shift!

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 19:12:04

well done everyone. I loved my Tuna and Tomato rice and amazingly so did the rest of the family.

miniwedge Wed 08-Aug-12 19:12:52

Ps; I don't know how to add people in mfp, I am hanchlo if that helps?

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 19:13:41

I feel absolutely stuffed - I was expecting that!

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ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:15:35

Mini, go to community, then find members, and you can add names there smile Ill add you now.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:18:48

I am ILoveSTripeySocks on MFP too, if anyone would like to add me.

MadBusLady Wed 08-Aug-12 19:22:45

<comes in late> Can I join?

I haven't seen the prog yet, but DP is always on about intermittent fasting and all manner of other crazy lifestyle stuff he finds on the internet so I'm going to give it a go tomorrow.

I eat generally low carb, not terribly strictly, and that brought me down from 13st to 11st 10lbs in a couple of months. Then I trickled down to about 11st 7lbs and I've basically been stuck there ever since. I'm 5'7, slightly larger than average build so I think I should be aiming for 10st 7lb maybe? That was my mid-twenties weight, which feels right teen weight was 9st 7lbs which is way too hard .

Just got my veg box so will make some kind of nice soup for my main meal tomorrow. The low-fat side of this (fats being calorific) is going to take some getting used to as a low carber. Is anyone else solving that problem any particular way?

Don't know what I'm going to do without lots of cups of proper tea either, I LUFF tea.

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 19:25:47

Mad, Ive come straight from low-carb to this, but I still found it easy. If you stick to veg soup/salad/eggs, you can keep to the low carb principles quite easily.

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 19:32:16

I have white tea & coffee on fast days, I just count the milk calories towards the 400.

I'd rather enjoy my coffee than have extra food tbh! I noticed on twitter that Mosely was talking about including a latte in the calorie & protein count & I can't see that having white coffee/tea is a problem apart from having fewer calories for food. Might be wrong though!

Finished my food for today - ended up with 404 calories & 30.5g of protein which seems to be about what I average. I split it today because I have a cold & am feeling ill.

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 19:35:55

Please add any tasty meal recipe ideas to the thread

chocoraisin Wed 08-Aug-12 19:41:33

jumping in... well watching the thread anyway Does anyone know if this is something you shouldn't do while breastfeeding? I'd love to shift a bit of baby weight but I don't want to dry up in the meantime.

phlebas Wed 08-Aug-12 19:49:45

I'm still breastfeeding - but baby is 14 months old & I've dieted at this point with the previous three (including vlc) & know that it doesn't affect my milk supply. I don't think there would ever be advice to say that it is fine but it hasn't caused problems for me or ds. I wouldn't do it while I had a baby who was still exclusively breastfed though.

CagneyNLacey Wed 08-Aug-12 20:04:51

Well I have to say that so far i don't feel too bad. Am going to do 500 tomorrow as well and then go back to my usual Slimming World for 5 days. SW eating is going to seem incredibly luxurious after this!

Harimad Wed 08-Aug-12 20:05:16

Anyone else got a headache? sad
Glugging water now - think I was dehydrated...
Busy planning yummy foods for my non-fast day tomorrow now grin

jollydiane Wed 08-Aug-12 20:14:35

I did have but its gone now. I might spoil myself and have a handful of carrot batons.

Dosey Wed 08-Aug-12 20:27:21

Hi there ladies can I just ask a quick question. I had my last meal at 6pm today so if I fast for 24 hours does that mean I can I have a good meal tomorrow night at 6pm. i am thinking that If I only have 500 calories tomorrow then start to eat normally on Friday, say a breakfast 6am, that will be 36 hours of fasting.

chocoraisin Wed 08-Aug-12 20:30:21

thanks phlebas, DS is still EBF so maybe I should just wait for a few months. <tries not to look relieved>

hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 20:34:18

phlebas can you tell me what your protein consisted of for today?

hopkinette Wed 08-Aug-12 20:36:12

And does anyone know if there's a lower limit for protein on a fast day? I think the Italian bloke in the red convertible said it needed to be 60g max, but is there a minimum value?

ILoveStripeySocks Wed 08-Aug-12 21:15:07

Dosey, I know that people do it that way on the ADF, but not sure if it works with this. Would be interesting to find out!

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 00:48:37

Ooo... Can I join in pls? Just watched the program on iplayer and it makes so much sense. If I know Im only depriving myself one day, then I'm an angel. It's the constant thought of deprivation that makes me silly!!!

I need to lose about 2 1/2 stone, ideally before Xmas. So here we go!

First fast day tomorrow.

Plan to have:
Chicken soup
Lemon and ginger tea.


My name is suja1983 on myfitnesspal for anyone who wants to add me. smile

CJCregg Thu 09-Aug-12 07:03:48

Well, I did Day 1 yesterday and I feel brilliant. Woke up at 6.30 this morning full of energy and am looking forward to literally breaking my fast a bit later.

I ate quite scrappily yesterday, which probably wasn't great, but I had to do a long drive with the DC and didn't have time to get proper meals together. So I had miso soup (17 calories, folks grin), some fruit and veg, yoghurt and a big cappuccino on the road hmm. Lots of water, and black and herbal tea.

As others have said, the hunger comes and goes in waves but it was perfectly handleable. And already I feel less bloated today. And so much more aware of some of the food choices I make.

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 07:13:34

Great news CJ. I also did day one yesterday and am too feeling brilliant this morning and full of energy even considering doing day two today as it won't happen over the weekend

In the end I just decided to go as long as I could without food. I drank tea with milk and black coffee and water throughout the day. I had some melon and strawberries at 4pm then a full dinner of two quorn sausages, one boiled egg, one slice of toast, rocket salad with a bit of balsamic.

It tasted so good! But, the fasting was easier than expected. Wasn't too hungry and just tried to keep busy during the day.

CJCregg Thu 09-Aug-12 07:17:32

It's good, isn't it? grin

What is strange is how much less deprived I felt than if I'd been 'dieting'. This routine is perfect for me because I work much better on an 'all or nothing' basis, and I'm hoping that a few more days of 'nothing' might help me stop the 'all' that goes on far too much hmm

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 07:35:25

Totally agree CJ smile

I too am all or nothing and therefore it was definitely easier to just not eat and then look forward to dinner with DH. I forgot to mention that I too do not feel bloated which is nice. Surprisingly I also do not feel too hungry either, thought I'd be absolutely ravenous today.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 07:40:40

Well I woke up feeling pretty tired. Think that's more down to a late night. Going for day two. I ate at 530pm last night so will have a light snack of melon at lunch time and dinner later to give me 16 hours of fasting. I am a pound lighter today but that's got to be water weight and I'll get it back when I start eating normally over the next five daysgrin ps I read 30g of protien for fast days

miniwedge Thu 09-Aug-12 08:03:05

Well it's the morning after for me grin

I woke up feeling great although I had to get up in the night to wee copiously. That would be all the water I drank then ......
I've had toast this morning and a cup of tea, I feel really full up. Almost uncomfortable.
Tomorrow is another fast day for me so I will be weighing in on Saturday out of curiosity I think more than anything. I doubt I will have dropped any weight.
I am definitely planning a better breakfast for tomorrow, I don't think the toast although it was wholemeal was a great choice.

Good luck all those who are fasting today!

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squidworth Thu 09-Aug-12 08:10:59

I started yesterday I lost 4 stone 3 years ago but I have gained a stone back so am trying this not just to lose but to make sure I do not regain anymore. The fast day was ok I hate eating breakfast so had a late lunch. To make the first day easy I took kids to pizza express and had the 500 kcal pizza, asked for no dressing and left a tiny bit just to be sure it was under 500. As the pizza looked large psychologically I felt full and content. Have not woke up hungry may have a milky coffe just to break the fast. Hope it works for all of you.

Slimandhappy Thu 09-Aug-12 08:18:12

Hi guys I started my first fast yesterday and found it easy went to circus with kids and had half a punnet of raspberries at 15 cal as a treat! Looking forward to hearing everyone's results snd tips, I think this could finally be the way forward for healthy and happy results!! Off to work now with my cuppa soup!

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 08:41:03

Feeling hungry when I woke up, had a pint of hot water, 1/4 plate of salad (no dressing) and 3 olives hmm. Off to work now planning to have soup and then low fat dinner with family.

LackaDAISYcal Thu 09-Aug-12 08:46:15

Tentatively joining in smile
Before watching the programme, I looked at the genesis diet and have downloaded all the information and was aiming to start today. But, looking at it, it relies on a fairly strict 1500 calories on non fast days and lots of milk on fast days.

I have been dogged with health problems since turning 40 and put on nearly 3 stone (added to my existing 2 stone over after 3 babies) due to meds. I've lost 2 stone over the last year and a half (lost a bit, get fed up, put a bit back on yadayada doing a variety of diets) but still have 3 to go.

My main sticking point (apart from failing miserably at not eating crap and drinking too much wine) is maintaining an exercise regime as I havw a rheumatic illness and suffer from joint pains, inflammation and fatigue as well as light sensitivity so tend to hibernate in the summer.

This seems infinitely more do-able though. Especially if one can eat normally on non fast days.

Anyhow, that was much longer than it should have been blush. Looking forward to seeing some good results!
Oh and a banana and half a pint of milk so far, though that is probably quite calorie confused

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 08:49:22

Morning, no fast for me today. Ended up on 600 cals because of coffee (addict) but big improvement from 2300 usual calories!

Its nearly nine and I'm not hungry which is weird.

CagneyNLacey Thu 09-Aug-12 08:49:36

Day 2 for me. Think i will jib the porridge and have tin of ww beans for breakfast instead. Then for tea I will have ww macaroni cheese ready meal.

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 08:51:42

Had a rough night - DD is potty training and woke me at half 3 as she needed a poo... Felt ravenous when I got back to bed, but on my non-fast day today and feel ok altho I've not yet had breakfast.

Like others say, it's so much easier to 'be good' for just one day! That being said, using mfp also is having an effect. Altho I know I can eat normally today, the fact that my planned bfast of a muller light with granola is nearly half the cals I ate yesterday is a bit of a shocker!

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 08:56:26

I wonder if it's better to fast on two separate days? Or two together.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 09:05:17

My Day 1 yesterday also went brilliantly! I wasnt even ravenous when I woke up this morning, I was able to wait an hour before having some Burgen bread toast & peanut butter - and I struggled to finish it!

I loved the feeling of emptiness in my tummy, and the hunger pangs were also enjoyable at times - is this weird? My whole life I had eaten when I wasnt hungry because I was so scared of having a single tummy rumble.

I am weirdly looking forward to my next fast day shock

Day 1 for me yesterday, I split it into lunch and dinner and whilst I was hungry at 5 pm doing the kids teas it wasn't too bad. We had coucous and a tomato and veg sauce which was really filling. Amazingly I feel great today. I'm splitting the fast and will do Mon and Weds.

IloveStriperySocks - its weird but I'm looking forward to the next fast day too, I like the challenge of it, whereas I find "cutting back" each day too much hassle and no fun.

Good luck for anyone on a fast day today,.

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MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 09:38:13

Its my first fast day today. I've planned for an omlette for brunch and a puy lentil salad for dinner. I have kcals for either tuna or low fat hummus too, will decide on which one at the time.
I'm about to have my 2nd cup of peppermint tea.

I'm optimistic about today. I've just got to keep myself distracted enough not to notice boredom hunger.

Are you all planning on having the same fast days each week?

Good luck to everyone for today.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 09:39:30

I'm doing the 5:2 too, starting today.

I'm waiting it out with water until midday and then having my 'main meal' (mushroom omelette). I'm going to have homemade lentil soup and salad for supper to make it up to 500.

I've got 2 and a half stone to lose too, but tbh, I'm more concerned with the other health benefits. I think I want to read around it a bit more before following it long term. But I definitely could do it long term.

I think the key to it is probably avoiding all 'fake' foods on the 2 'fast' days - so no diet food, not processed crap (not that we eat much of it anyway tbh).

Like someone said earlier, I find it easier on days where I don't eat much anyway. I hate the notion of 3 meals and healthy snacks inbetween because all I end up thinking about is how hungry I am and when I can next eat.

On days where I'm too busy or forget to eat, I don't get hungry until tea time.

In fact, this whole notion of 'you must eat breakfast' is a killer for me. If I don't eat breakfast, I don't get hungry, if I do eat breakfast, I'm ravenous all day long!

Is the ADF about eating nothing and the 5:2 about eating 500cals? I thought the 3 day fast was about eating nothing and the ADF about eating 500cals but he felt that he wouldn't be able to sustain that and so only followed it on 2 days a week instead? Thus resulting in the 5:2?

I don't think it's sustainable to eat nothing on alternate days long term. The 3 day fast was supposed to be followed once a month.

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HipHopSkipJumpomous Thu 09-Aug-12 09:44:25

Yesterday (first fast day) went well - I didn't eat anything after 1pm and that was fine. I was hungry last night, but it wasn't dreadful. There are worse things than being hungry for a few hours, and knowing I could eat in the morning is great.

I felt great this morning and had muesli and banana with milk at 9.30 as usual.

I won't get to do another fast day until Monday now & I haven't weighed myself for a week or more. So I will weigh myself tomorrow and then do 2 fast days per week starting Monday.

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Re breakfast I'm never ready to eat before about 9. But the feeling ravenous all day mentioned above depends on what I have for breakfast. A good no-added sugar/fat free muesli with nuts and fruit really sorts me out well. If I had more processed cereal such as Special K etc I'd be starving by 10. Egg on toast is also excellent for getting me through. I can go without breakfast but then I'm usually so hungry by lunchtime, a 'normal' lunch portion doesn't satisfy and I can end up feeling hungry all day.

I think part of what this 5:2 plan (and others) is getting at is we need to learn it's OK to feel hungry and in fact is an essential part of being slim. I speak as a lifelong overeater - the FULL feeling is so normal to me and I had some weird fear about feeling hungry. Well guess what - it's not the end of the world. I live in a city with stores everywhere - I can have food at any moment I want, so hunger isn't a sign I'm about to perish or get weak. The last couple of months I've been learning to embrace feeling hungry and being comfortable with that - it's a sign from my body to eat again soon (and hopefully that it is burning fat now), not a sign to be feared.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 10:07:07

HipHop I find it doesn't really make any difference what I eat. Porridge and a banana is probably about the best thing, but even wholemeal toast and scrambled egg will leave me hungry again mid morning.

I also think the time you start eating is probably the most crucial bit. I quite often eat breakfast with the children at 7.30 so I am ready for something else by 10.

But if I hold off til 9, I suppose I do start getting peckish around lunchtime.

kotinka my DH announced a War on Sugar 2 weeks ago. He isn't necessarily approaching it in the 'best' way, but in the way that works best for him. So he's cut out chocolate and fizzy pop so far. I've done it with him and that alone has meant I've dropped 4lbs in the past 2 weeks. I don't really have a sweet tooth, or particularly like coke etc, but I've also got no will power and if it's there, I'll consume it! grin

I always used to be slim and I know that it's because I didn't eat much, but what I did eat was healthy and fresh and I was always full and healthy.

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 10:17:58

First fast day for me. smile

Starting off with my lemon and ginger tea. This always fills me up. I love tea but can't have it without two sugars which I think are an unnecessary waste of calories so sticking to my ginger tea.

I thought the whole premise of ADF is that on one day you eat about 500kcal and the next day as much as u like? Because of my all or nothing approach, I'm going to try ADF for the next few days and see how it goes. I'm on slimming world and get weighed every Wednesday evening and so I'm going to try my hardest to not weigh myself otherwise!!

I was going to have some soup as my kcal today but now I'm thinking cheese omelette?

Good luck to anyone fasting today!!

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 10:38:14

I thought the whole premise of ADF is that on one day you eat about 500kcal and the next day as much as u like?

That was my understanding too, suja

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ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:13:03

ADF is just fasting with 500 cals every other day, 5:2 is just fasting with 500 cals twice a week.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:17:39

I have been reading up on all this fasting business, and found this interesting post in another forum. They follow the ADF there (but they call it JUDDD which stands for Johnsons UpDayDownDay diet) and it has really inspired me to keep at it - the long term benefits & weight loss seem to multiply the longer you do it (unlike others that slow weightloss).

link here

I plan to do Mondays & Thusrdays as my Up days, though this week I did yesterday & will do Sat as I was so eager to get started grin

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 11:17:59

I just hope it works!

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:18:33

Good luck to all those fasting today, enjoy the empty tummy feeling smile I still cant believe I enjoyed it!

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 11:20:04

Well done everyone yesterday and good luck to fasters today.

I woke at 3am with dd and was starving. Yet, found when I had brekkie which was positively virtuous. Nat yog and grapes I was full sooner and left half. grin

Starving now though. Felt better when I didn't eat brekkie. Isn't that Omg diet about skipping brekkie?

Had a sneaky peek at scales and lost 2lb I realise it's water though. But still
Whooohooooo grin.

bunjies Thu 09-Aug-12 11:20:58

Hi all. Just marking my place as I'm off on hols for 3 weeks tomorrow but definitely want to try this when I get back. Found the programme fascinating especially as there is a history of early on set Alzheimer's in my family (mother). The weight loss benefits aren't so bad either wink. Might try & get dh to do it with me too.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:28:13

My DH has agreed to do it with me too smile He says its easy to not eat while at work, and I will have a 600 cal dinner ready for him when he comes home. Should be easy!

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 11:36:56

Good on him Stripey. Are you just having one meal then? I know you said 2 initially

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 11:41:17

No, I will stick to 2 I think, but at least I know he wont be snacking etc around me on my fast days smile

alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 11:54:53

Good ideagrin

So, on our non fast days are we all going for it or still keeping an eye on what we eat? I think the theory with JUDD is the swing in cals keeps the metabolic rate

I've just had a prawn butty and I don't even eat breadblush I think the whole part of th programme about eating too much protein scared me. sad

notsoold Thu 09-Aug-12 11:55:09

Hi there!
I am sorry...I watched the programme and I thought alternate days was total fasting and they eating normally next day. the 5:2 is different isn't? during those 2 days you can have 500cals???.
The presenter had benefits during both "trials"???
Is that latter way that we will be doing in this thread???

Sorry ...thick day!!!

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 11:57:48

Well I haven't eaten since yesterday at 530 and feeling good! Not as dizzy as yesterday, lively and actually more alert. Not grumpy either! I will hold out and have sweet potato supper for dinner at 6pm. Going to look more into this all so I can get a bearing on just how to do it.

MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 12:02:47

Thats great Stripey. I don't think theres any way I'd get my dh to join me unfortunately.

So, it's nearly midday and I've only had tea and coffee so far. I don't feel hungry at the moment, so planning on putting first meal off till 1. The second intake of my kcal intake will be at 6 as I'm off to the west end this evening to see a show and Im guessing I should eat before I go out. Hopefully I'll be distracted all evening and not think about food at all though.

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:05:58

It's a fast day today. This is my second one this week - with one day of normal eating in between - so wondering if it will prove tougher than the first time. I'm planning to make the kids beans on toast for tea, as I hate baked beans and I'm not wild about toast.

DH fasted yesterday and whinged nearly nonstop from 11am onwards. From this I learned two things:

DH & I need to fast on the same days, otherwise meal-planning becomes a nightmare. Which it shouldn't be when we're eating less!

Fasting's a lot harder for some people than others.

I'm inspired by Kotinka's no-calorie fast. No that's a proper fast. After all, we don't HAVE to eat the 500 calories, it's just a crutch.

MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 12:08:40

Well done Cunning. Is that 5:30 am or pm? I might try and fit in a total fast day every fortnight. Will test out I can o 500kcal first though!

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:09:26

Ooo, Stripey, good DH-management plan!

I think I'll just feed the kids an early, simple tea on our fast days, and we'll not eat ourselves.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 12:09:28

notsoold, it was only on the total 3 fast days a month (the first one he tried) that was no food. The alternate day and the 5:2 both had a cal allowance of 500/600 cals.

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 12:10:25

Cunning, you are doing 2 consectutive days, arent you? Good luck! That's barve grin

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:10:50

How may cups of tea with semi-skimmed milk + 1 teaspoon sugar equals 500 calories??

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 12:12:46

Im lost as to who is doing a total fast and who is doing the 500 cal fast!

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 12:12:50

Cunning, good luck! 2 days in a row. Whenever I'm tempted to whinge today, I shall think of you. (And then likely whinge anyway.)

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 12:27:27

cunning I'm doing day two consecutively too. Feeling hungry now though and tummy rumbling a bit.

DH just called to ask how many calories in a banana and told me Costa were giving out free cappuccinos near his workplace and he resisted as he's trying the 600 cals today. I'm not sure I'd have that willpower

Good luck to everyone fasting today. It's so great to hear about everyone's food choices and how it's going for them. Mostly seems positive so feeling inspired to keep going.

delilahbelle Thu 09-Aug-12 12:36:21

I'm doing this.

Tried for a fast day yesterday and failed (ate breakfast, was planning on eating again in the evening and cracked by lunchtime) but did only have 1363 calories yesterday.

My fast days are going to be Thursdays and Mondays - today I skipped breakfast, drank lots of ginger and lemon tea all morning, and have just eaten my normal breakfast for lunch (Oatso simple and OJ) which comes to 300 calories. I'm planning on having a poached egg, broccoli and salad for dinner tonight, to take me to my 500 calories in total. I found I am much less hungry today than yesterday.

I need extra strong willpower today as there is a huge box of Thorntons chocolates upstairs.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 12:38:22

It was yesterday at 530pm that I ate. So will be a 24 hour complete fast by the time I eat dinner today! I feel reall good! Just watched the whole documentry. Really interesting about a protien. I did Dukan 2-3 years ago and lost four stone, and have since eaten what I like and maintained my weight. I still eat maybe 30%of my diet in protein.

Goodluck Monday!! And to everyone else. I feel a headache creeping in. And it's definitely not dehydration. I have drunk a litre and a half so far today!

notsoold Thu 09-Aug-12 12:54:10

thanks ilove !
I will plan my week then!!!

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 13:00:24

I had a headache last night too and drank loads of water. I didn't feel hungry but head was throbbing.

My issue is I eat out of boredom olin an evening when dds are in bed. How do I combat that?

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alfiemama Thu 09-Aug-12 13:05:34

Thanks Kotinka,

The headaches will be from withdrawal by the sounds of it. If you low carb they won't be as bad or at all.

MadBusLady Thu 09-Aug-12 13:06:34

Hmph, well my first fasting day is going very well because I woke up with some kind of nausea headache flu bug thing. Even if I did feel like eating anything I don't think I could drag myself off to prepare it.

So that's good in a way I suppose!

<subsides onto sofa with self-pitying whimper>

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TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 13:24:29

Lunch was: omelette with 2 medium eggs; 5g (proper) butter; 2 medium mushrooms; 50g galia melon; 100ml orange juice. 276cals.

224 cals left for my 190cal homemade lentil and veg soup and a bit of salad at suppertime.

No ill effects.

DH and I have both had headaches since cutting down on sugar. Going cold turkey is never easy!

I think I'd find it difficult to do 500cals in one meal.

I feel full after what I had, I don't see how I could have increased it.

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 13:34:56

Kotinka, I'll let you know. I'm starting out with a 5:2 plan and the fasting days on Tues/Thurs this week (I'm switching to Mon/Wed next week to coincide with DH). If the second day proves really hard, I could move to a Mon/Thurs plan that leaves more time btwn fasts.

I'm sticking with either one meal/day or none at all, depending on psychological strength!

pumkintits Thu 09-Aug-12 13:38:37

Hi, thismy first fast day too. Going a lot better than I thought actually!!

Quick question though, as I last ate at 9.30 last night, does that mean I can eat something extra to my 500 cals after 9.30 tonight?

glad everyone seems to be doing so well smile

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 13:42:01

Just had my cheese and ham omelette with a slice of toast. 443 calories. Means I can have a Cadbury hot chocolate later. smile

CagneyNLacey Thu 09-Aug-12 13:48:43

I am bloody hungry and also feel tired and grumpy. Although that could be due to being up most of night with 3 month old or having spent the morning with tantruming 19 month old.

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 13:59:42

pumkintits (good name): in short, no, not in the plan described on Horizon/outlined by Dr Varady. At least as I understood it. (And again, few human trials, so few clear rules.) On a fast day, eat no more than 500 calories for the whole day. The fast day is closer to a 36-hour period rather than 24 when you factor in sleep. Sneaky, huh?

So I last ate at about 8pm last night, and won't eat more than 500 calories until roughly 7am tomorrow morning. At least I THINK that's how it's supposed to work.

Of course, how you choose to put together a diet is totally up to you!

blackcatsdancing Thu 09-Aug-12 13:59:42

wheresmyperry if you work out the answer let me know! i'm so missing my endless teas (i don't do black). i dont take sugar though . i've allowed myself 400ml of milk and most has gone already. 200ml of sugarfree sainsburys soya (40cals) and 200ml semi skim (98 cals) (mixed) , which comes to 138 cals total.

i'm on the 500 thing today. OK so far, water helps. I did read ages ago about people who fast once a week for 24 hours. If i did that i'd eat my last meal at 7pm and make sure it was satisfying, then eat nothing more until 7pm next day. I'd make sure it was an easy going day. I work in customer service and am working today, got to be careful not to be grumpy/ overly tired with customers. On other hand doing this on non work day means i will lose an opportunity to exercise as i couldnt exercise and do this. Work days involve a walking commute of 35 mins each way , doable on empty batteries (unlike a run)

OddBoots Thu 09-Aug-12 14:04:12

I hope you don't mind but I'm just signing in to see how things go, I'd like to do this, especially as my DNA tests have shown that I have a greater risk of CV disease and type 2 diabetes but I think I need to wait for school to return.

pumkintits Thu 09-Aug-12 14:12:58

Thanks wheresmy perry! thought it was too good to be true!! Had 170 calories so far, not feeling too bad so will leave it as long as possible until I eat again.

Normally go to the gym on a Thursday but a bit worried I might keel over?!

wheresmyperry Thu 09-Aug-12 14:20:23

Yeah, I'm wondering about exercise, too. I normally go for a long walk (about an hour and a half) on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I did it while fasting on Tuesday and felt fine, and I'll try again today. But I won't go running on fast days. That does seem unwise.

notsoold Thu 09-Aug-12 14:57:29

thanks kotinka.... it is clearer now....
Please what is ADF???

And do I make sure my protein intake in the 500cals are not too high???Or is it low carbing???

Mondayschild78 Thu 09-Aug-12 14:57:38

*Note to self

Do not do the weekly food shop on a fast day


SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 15:08:47

This sounds very interesting.
Is it a diet purely for health benefits or can you lose weight too?
According to an online calculator I need to lose 6st! But will be happy with 3 or 4.

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SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 15:16:48

Think I will do some googling later and will prob sign up.
Fast days prob Monday and Thursday (darn it missed this week then!)

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Slimandhappy Thu 09-Aug-12 15:33:02

I am in and on mfp as janiebones please add me anyone! Xx

Slimandhappy Thu 09-Aug-12 16:17:02

Does anyone know dr mosely twitter name please?

OddBoots Thu 09-Aug-12 16:22:36

It's DrMichaelMosley, Slimandhappy

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 16:38:55

Thank s kotinka.
Have read a bit and think I'm in. Not a huge fan of veg. How bad is that?
Should probably train myself to say more of it though.
I like sweetcorn and raw carrots but anything else makes me retch. Even just the thought of it.
Issues much.

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 16:39:35

For the same of 2 days a week though am sure I Vann give some others things a go.

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MeanMrsMustard Thu 09-Aug-12 16:51:55

Hello again,
I ate my eggs at 1:30 which filled me up, but am feeling quite hungry again now... I'll have another glass of water and hopefully the hunger will pass. I'm going to have to have an early dinner tonight anyway as I'm out this evening, so i've only another hour and a bit to go.
Today has mainly been fine though. I think I'm only suffering now (And I'm not suffering that much!) because I've got nothing to do. I will clear out a cupboard and distract myself!
Hope everyone is having a good day.

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greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 17:10:20

How do you change the psychological mind set? I'm not even hungry but I'm looking for food.

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 17:10:35

Oh no kotinka, for me it's def the wine and the pizzas.
I used to be lovely and slim before I got pregnant with ds1. Just took eating to a whole new level then blush
I will def try to train myself on the veg though, not sure what to start with, will have a think.
ds1 really likes broccoli so maybe I'll try some of that

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SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 17:30:37

Thanks Kotinka.
I do like tomatoes and sweet potatoes.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 17:39:41

Dinner is in the oven. God I am looking forward to it.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 17:44:24

So proud of myself.

Just got back from my dad's where everyone except for me had blueberry muffins. I didn't even really fancy it. But in the past, I'd have had one just because I didn't want to miss out.

Just had my lentil and veg soup. Twas yummy. Only 4 hours to go until bed and I'm making a rhubarb crumble tomorrow! grin

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 17:55:53

So far so good. Had slight tummy rumblings but filled up with water. Looking forward to my cadburys hot chocolate later. Am off out tomorrow night with my youngish sisters, so need to eat tomorrow to be able to get drunk!! smile

What led me to this point? Ooo..vodka and orange!! Oo... And chocolate! ;)

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 17:56:44

Ooh and folkgirl... Well done. I'm basing my fast days around the days when I'm at home with the kids by myself!!! Much easier to resist temptation that way.

TroublesomeEx Thu 09-Aug-12 17:59:23

Thank you suja! grin

I did feel very virtuous!

Enjoy your hot chocolate.

Dosey Thu 09-Aug-12 18:03:33

Hi there ladies, I watched the program last night and it inspired me to give it a go. Not to lose weight just for the health benefits. I eat far too much sugar and I am hoping by doing the fasting will help me think more about what I am putting in my body. My last meal was 6pm last night , a Chinese takeaway shock. so far today I have had green tea, water and a coffee which was 80 calories. I cannot believe how well I am feeling, it's so much easier than I thought and believe me I love food and cannot usually go without good meals a day with lots of snacks inbetween.

I am currently cooking toad in the hole for DP for his tea and I don't fancy any of it. The only issue I have is that I am keeping this fasting to myself. DP wouldn't understand saying I don't need to lose weight, which I don't but I just want to be healthy. Also I don't want my Dds to realise that some days I don't eat. So I am a secret faster, let's see how long I can get away with it!!!

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 18:20:55

This is my "any food" day, and I am not eating nearly as much as I usually would! I thought id stuff my face all day but it just hasnt happened. Loving this so far! I just hope I see some weightloss as I have loads to lose and cant stay this size any longer.

greenwichgroove Thu 09-Aug-12 18:53:18

I've messed up today 2300 calories sad bit of a crap day with dc, anniversary of a bereavement and some lowlife on twitter has wound me up. It's a none fast day but still....

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 19:05:44

greenwich - its ok if its not your fast day. smile

Beef and Apricot Stew in the pan (363 calories)
Apricot, passion fruit and banana just needs to be finished of (341 calories). Really looking forward to it as I have eaten only lettuce leaves today.

TheCunningStunt Thu 09-Aug-12 19:09:42

I had sweet potato, garlic, asparagus and pancetta baked in the oven. Quite calorific at just over 500 per portion. But it was worth the wait. Back to "normal" eating tomorrow. Am going for lots of fruit and yoghurt for breakfast!

maverick Thu 09-Aug-12 19:12:45

For the geeks like me, here's the research;

Aftereightsaremine Thu 09-Aug-12 19:14:33

I've started the milk diet 2 days a week which I think is similar you restrict yourself to around 650 calories a day 2 days a week but your main calories/protein are from the milk. I just hope it works though have lost 4llbs in 2 weeks!

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 19:19:40

Today I have had 2 decaf coffees with semi skim milk.
An apple
A tin of tomato and veg soup.
Salad and roast chicken and 1 tbsp mayo.
Small bowl of berries.
Probably going to have another coffee later.
I think I am under 500 calls so am pleased.
Dont really feel hungry but like some others I tend to snack n rubbish I don't really want from boredom/stress etc.
Another 500 cal day tomorrow and am planning egg mayo salad for brunch.
Not sure about dinner...might be soup again.
More fruit.

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 19:47:18

Interesting Maverick,

Thinking about the research do you think what we are doing could be passed to a researcher? It seems that there will be such a lot of data on here its a shame for it not to be used.

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 19:48:14

PS I'm now stuffed. Its as if my brain is rewarding me for finding food.

MakeHayNotStraw Thu 09-Aug-12 20:37:17

Can I join? I'm interested in doing this for the health benefits, and apparently energy levels get better, too....

SilveryMoon Thu 09-Aug-12 20:43:11

See, this is why I am so fat.
Dp bought a box of chicken pops/strips from the bargain bin at tesco. The label says 1/4 of the pack is 230 calories and I have just cooked the whole pack.
Will this diet work for me? I am really week willed but think I can handle the thought of 1 day at a time.
And yes, I know I also need to think about what I eat on normal days, but one step at a time, hey?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 20:48:49

Finally got round to watching the Horizon prog. Incredibly interesting!
First fast day was Weds, but next week I'll go for Tues and argues as I'm at work then.

It's prob been asked already, but do the fast day cals need to be eaten at one meal or can they be spread throughout the day?
I think Dr Mosley had it in one meal - but would it make a difference?

Also, on the other days when you eat 'normally' is that to 2000 cals as per guidelines?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 20:51:15

Damn predictive texting - that should be Tues and THURS at work blush

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 20:54:03

He had 2 meals harimad but it doesnt matter.
One meal or 2 or 3, as long at its onoy 500 cals.
Ideally you need to have a long time between eating...so for me I am eating 6pm latest and then not til 11/12 next day so I am in effect fasting for 17 hours which is sort of the idea.
Not eating breakfast is natural for me so am pleased!

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 21:07:59

Thanks Badvoc. When I go to work it's quite easy not to eat til midday, and I don't usually eat til 8pm anyway, so I think I'll focus on 2 meals...

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 21:08:28

Can someone explain that science report in laymans terms for me blush - i think it means that intermittent fasting has just as good results as contsant calorie counting?

HappyOrchid Thu 09-Aug-12 21:12:44

Yep, I've decided to give it a go too.
Years ago I always used to fast on a Thursday and didn't have weight problems.

Today is day two of 500 calories. i tend to eat mine at work, mostly fruit and salad with a boiled egg. Am looking forward to getting back to 1800 calories tomorrow.

I drink black coffee instead of tea. I'll let you know how I get on

ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 21:31:36

Are most people doing their 2 fast days together? Is that proven to be better?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 21:32:04

1800 cals Happyorchid?
So you do need to mind cals on the 5 days?

Harimad Thu 09-Aug-12 21:33:19

I don't think I could do 2x fast days together. From Horizon his days seemed to be all over the week...

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 21:36:30


A brilliant forum on this topic

jollydiane Thu 09-Aug-12 21:38:08

I've done two days in a row. 5 glorious days of normal eating. YUM

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 21:38:36

I am doing them together to get them out of the way! smile

CagneyNLacey Thu 09-Aug-12 21:39:16

Ilove, I think someone up thread said it doesn't matter if you do it consecutively or not. I'm doing both days together as I want to relax and forget about i over the weekend and then get weighed on my usual weigh in day on Tuesday.

maverick Thu 09-Aug-12 21:43:10

Think there might be a run on this book:


ILoveStripeySocks Thu 09-Aug-12 21:49:46

Im not counting cals on my off days, I cant cope with counting cals every day. if thats required I may have to bow out.

Badvoc Thu 09-Aug-12 21:52:25

I dont count calories ilove.
Only on my so called fast days.

suja1983 Thu 09-Aug-12 22:08:01

I'm not going to count calories either!

JacLittleTums Thu 09-Aug-12 22:11:24

I started it yesterday and have my meals planned to do it tomorrow again. I am going the 5:2 diet, 2 days under 600 calories. I wrote about it over at Baby Centre and today I posted about it on my blog, including what I ate yesterday and what I am eating tomorrow. I included a recipe too. I am going to track what I am eating, hopefully it will inspire others smile

foreverondiet Thu 09-Aug-12 22:50:22

I couldn't manage 2 days in a row, need normal day in the middle. Also those who exercise not sure about fasting on a day when I do a lot of exercise... if I go to the gym in the morning I never eat before but am always v hungry afterwards...

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CagneyNLacey Fri 10-Aug-12 03:11:13

Just looking at Dr Mossley's twitter and he split it between 2 meals.

I have lost 4lbs in 2 days! I know its water weight but it does give me the motivation to not eat a metric tonne of cheese sandwiches today.

SilveryMoon Fri 10-Aug-12 07:22:11

I managed to watch a bit of the program on my phone last night, but it froze just as he started talking about altering the 3.5day fasting.
Amazing though! Fancy doing a 26mile marathon at 101 years of age!

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 07:22:13

3 pounds in two days here. Now 9st8. Well prepared to put st least 2 of them back on though. But I know I can do this two days a week. A splitting my days next week. Oddly I have woken up earlier than normal today and feel much more lively and not hungry. I thought I'd be ready to eat my weight in bacon!!

I also only ate one big meal at 6pm to give the fast a good 24 hours between each meal. So day before fast I won't eat after 630pm so I get a full 18hours minimum on a fast day. That way if I want a light lunch I can. I don't eat breakfast often anyway.

Dosey Fri 10-Aug-12 07:25:01

Morning all, I did my fasting yesterday and all I had all day was water, green tea and a cup of coffee with 80 calories. I felt fine all day long. However when I go out of bed this morning I was really sweating, feeling sick and faint. I quickly ate a bananna which made me feel better then ate a bowl of granola and yoghurt and now I feel back to normal. I think the lesson for me is to make sure I do get more calories on my fasting days until, at least my body gets used to it. I have lost 3lbs and my stomach is really flat this morning. We are all going out for tea tonight so I am looking forward to a guilt free slap up meal.

I hope everyone else's fasting is going well. X

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 07:36:18

Doesn't sound good dosey! Are you going to eat the 500 cals next fast day? Or do you prefer/want to go as low cal as possible. Glad you are feeling better.

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Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 07:47:47

kotinka - he had scrabled egg for breakfast and fish and veg for dinner on his fast days.

I think we - as a first world western society - have forgotten that hunger is ok. Not starving, not ravenous, not famished, but plain old simple hunger.

I was hungry yesterday after lunch (soup) but was fine after dinner (chicken and salad). I dont eat breakfast. Its taken me a while to figure out that at my thinnest I didnt eat breakfast because I didnt want to

If any of you are interested in some of the rubbish we have been told in the last 30 tears wrt calories, weigh control etc then I really recommend Dr John Briffas book "Escape the diet trap". It is sobering (and angering) reading.

I am following briffas dietary advice on my non fast days and have lost 9 lbs in 3 weeks and I have never eaten so much!!! smile

Cuting out wheat has been a big thing for me...I no longer have reflux every day and no longer need the meds I have been on for 4 years.

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 07:52:47

Good to hear from all doing well on this - inspiring!

Good start to the day for me - after watching Horizon prog last night, DH has been swayed by health benefits and is going to do 5:2 also. He's fairly trim anyway (unfair male metabolism envy), so he's doing Mon & Weds and I'll do 4:3 and throw in a Friday too...

Having a coffee now, then just drinks til lunch which is egg on toast and dinner of prawns/broccoli/stirfry...

Those on feed days today - Enjoy! Those fasting - good luck!

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 07:56:15

Hey Badvoc - can you outline the dietary advice for non-fast days in Briffas book? Don't know that I could cut out wheat, but it would be interesting to hear.
Huge congrats on the weightless to date! smile

Mondayschild78 Fri 10-Aug-12 07:58:32

That's a good mantra to have unhappyhildebrand.

I have just attempted two consecutive fast days and my learning point is that I definitely need to split them. It was a bit of an experiment this week anyway grin
I say attempted as Day 1 (Wednesday) was fine and fairly easy. I woke up yesterday feeling great so thought lets give it another go. By about 2pm I did feel very light headed and not great so I had half tin of beans and slice of unbuttered toast. Then some strawberries, melon and raisins. For dinner quorn sausages and salad then a yogurt too. Total calories on Day 2 was about 700.

I will split days up next week for sure. A lot of us seem to be doing Monday as a fast day.

Well done to everyone!

Dosey Fri 10-Aug-12 07:59:33

Hi Cunning, I am definitely going to up my calories on my fasting days yes. But I do feel fine now and very full after my breakfast and an usual urge to eat very health foods!!!

JacLittleTums Fri 10-Aug-12 08:17:43

Michael Mosley is doing 5:2, under 600 calories ans spreading it throught the day, not just breakfast.

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TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 08:30:09

I'm thinking of doing a 4:3 too. I found yesterday reasonably easy too. I'm on a 'normal' day today, but given that my normal day will still involve good food and no crap I think I should be ok.

I've had porridge with 1% milk for breakfast and will follow with a mid morning snack of fruit.

I think from next week I'll do Mon, Wed and Fri as fast days. That will be sustainable when the children are back at school too. I couldn't fast over the weekend!

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 08:37:20

I have to say I am amazed I have cut out wheat. Amazed! Prior to this way of eating all my meals were wheat based...so eg: croissant (or two") for breakfast, sandwich fr lunch and pasta for dinner. I felt awful, always tired, bloated and had severe gerd for which I have been on ppi's for 4 years.
If I can do it, anyone can! smile
Briffas advice is basically: 80% of your food should be the following:
Meat, fish, fowl, eggs, salad, veg, nuts and seeds, berries, Greek yoghurt, butter, olive oil in unlimited amounts.
20% from cream, other fruit, cheese, dark chocolate in limited amounts.
Avoid wheat, milk, bread products, cakes and pastries, all low fat products.
It's been amazing and a real wake up call for me.
I can eat eggs, salad, veg, meat, nuts and use butter, olive oil etc and have dark choc as a great and berries and cream and lose weight!
It's really worth a read.

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 08:38:24

I must say at this point I do have milk (lacto free) as I simply cannot drink black coffee.
But I have also started drinking fruit tea which is lovely.
Oh, and you are supposed to avoid alcohol too.
But I don't drink so easy for me!

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 08:43:57

hilde there is no evidence that a 4:3 works any better than a 5:2. Why not just try the 5:2 first? Don't make like more difficult than it needs to be wink

Mondayschild78 Fri 10-Aug-12 08:47:19

Non fast day and I've just had some porridge (the recommended serving on the pack of 4 heaped tbsp, I used to have about double this blush)

I feel FULL smile

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TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 09:11:08

Well normal day. I just had a handull of blueberries, a chopped plum, some strawberries and 3 teaspoons of strawberry yoghurt. It came to 127cals. Definately will bear that in mind for a fast day lunch!

Marking place, more for health benefits than for weight loss. The Horizon programme was fascinating. smile

MommyUpNorth Fri 10-Aug-12 09:28:52

Hello! Can I join in here as well. Last Monday I started over at My Fitness Pal, so kind of already started the 'diet' and upped the exercise... but after watching the fasting program last night with DH I really want to give this a go!

Today is my first fasting day, so have had a 496 cal breakfast just before 8 and hope to make it until 8am tomorrow with just water/herbal tea!

My Mom is just starting Chemo later this month, and we have various heart/cancer/obesity problems running in the family, so would love it if I could get into a healthier cycle with my life!

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 09:35:02

i'm considering a 0 cal fast once a week for 24 hours. but won't jump right in. I think it could be something that could become a long term habit and indeed i know its not uncommon for people interested in good health to do so. I might find a good day next week and start with a light dinner (veg soup) or a large salad , then nothing except water the next day until the evening meal when again i'd had something light, maybe white fish and salad or lean chicken and salad . I don't think i could go to bed starving.

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 09:37:32

Glad to hear everyone else is doing well. My yesterday fast was fine because I was lying on the sofa too ill to eat . Managed to make some carrot soup for about 2pm, then some kind of strange stewed cabbage and nutmeg affair for 6pm (dunno what was going on there, I must have been delirious) and 100g raspberries afterwards. Total with soya and milk in drinks was just a smidgeon over 500 cal I reckon. I think I'd find it easy on a normal non-ill day too, I didn't realise herbal tea could be so filling!

Just had some porridge - I said I wasn't a very strict low-carber grin and feel VERY full.

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 09:39:51

with regular fasts, i've read that if lightheadedness is a problem that consuming juices , the best you can afford (ideally juice yourself but most people don't have juicers) , really helps.

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Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 09:46:51

Hi. I'm fairly new to mumsnet and brand new to this thread. I watched horizon and it really gave me a wake up call. It also had a huge impact on my teen daughter who was fascinated by it not for weightloss but for health benefits. Am going to get my dh to watch it too. If i do the af plan am i right in thinking its 600 cals on fast days as some posts on here seem to think its 0 cals? Anyone else think the woman didnt really want that burger and was only nibbling at it for the film?

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 09:47:09


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I'd live to join you all. I've watched the programme and been lurking on the threads for a few days but have decided to take the plunge today.

I'm going to be picking my fast days each week over the holidays as I'm not doing the same thing of set days right now.

Today is my first fast day. I would normally have eaten breakfast now but I've given up wheat and am easing into the paleo/primal diet so this does fit with that. I've found my appetite quite stable since cutting the wheat/carbs so will try and stick with that. Normally I'm a starving every two hours girl.

Will probably have egg salad for lunch and a something in the evening with the rest of the calories in the evening.

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Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 09:49:17

blush (starts again)

Jollydiane - Dr Mosley said that ADF worked better than 5:2, so halfway between in 4:3! I'm doing 4:3 as I want regular days, and if I get too skinny (hah!), I'll do 5:2...

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Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 09:55:25

Yes i was concerned when she showed an interest as she is 13.5 but she isnt going to do the diet just try to be more healthy as a result of it. So she had a peach followed by a crunchy lol. So basically the 500 cal is either 5 and 2 or alternate?

blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 09:55:30

kotinka i didn't know you were doing a total fast, i'll scroll back and see how you've done. Yes sleep time is included. I guess its trial and error to see what works best for the individual. I think for me breaking my fast with DP is a good idea as i won't be inclined to overeat, also having that evening meal planned exactly in advance. and allowing time for brain to register that i'm full.
wednesday is a good day for me at the moment. sunday has possibilities.

Cuttothechase Fri 10-Aug-12 09:58:59

Hi All,
Hopefully, you won't mind a non-parent joining this thread? I'm just really interested in seeing if this particular diet works and this site seems to offer great support. The diet seems to be quite well researched so I thought I'd give it a go. I started the fasting day yesterday and achieved 484 calories (saved last few for an emergency satsuma if required!)- carton of Tesco carot and corriander soup (total 270 cals - split lunch/dinner)- 2 dark rye crackers - 3 satsumas - 2 jaffa cakes (yes, jaffa cakes!)- 2ltrs water - 2 cups of tea - 3 diet cokes. Emergency satsuma not required! Feeling less bloated today and quite energised. Next fast Monday. Good luck all!

Mondayschild78 Fri 10-Aug-12 10:00:05

Blackcatsdancing that is interesting about juice and lightheadedness. I'll try that next time if I feel lightheaded.

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blackcatsdancing Fri 10-Aug-12 10:03:17

well done yesterday cuttothechase. you don't have to be a parent to be on here ! I've never thought of the implications of the title "mumsnet", there are dads on this site and lots of women without kids so all welcome.

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SilveryMoon Fri 10-Aug-12 10:08:25

So ADF, eat one day, fast the next? Is that right?
I am def gonna start on 5:2 with my 2 days split. Going to fast on mondays and thursdays and see how it goes.

BuntCadger Fri 10-Aug-12 10:12:22

Can I join? I am 5'3 and just over 11st so need to lose 1.5 to 2 st for healthy weight. Post baby number 3 and still bfeeding (she's 9 months now).

This diet appeals as its not restrictive all the time. Pre dc I was a skinny 6/8 in jeans and 10/12 top. I'm now 16 top and 12 bottom. Carry it all on boobs and tummy really. Am 37 and want to regain my body

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MakeHayNotStraw Fri 10-Aug-12 10:15:01

First fast day today - so far I've had a peach and 2 cups of tea! Think I can manage one day...

Thanks for the tip about the lightheadedness and fruit juice - I'm quite sensitive to low blood sugar so this is something that does worry me a bit.

Looking forward to seeing the benefits in terms of energy increase and less bloating, I have to say.

Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 10:23:54

Just joined fitness pal if anyone wants to link my name is same as on heresmile

MeanMrsMustard Fri 10-Aug-12 10:25:22

Cuttothechase , I am not a parent (although I hadn't admitted that yet!)

I had my first fast day yesterday, It was good. Like others I sort of enjoyed the feeling of being hungry, but I was glad that I was out at a show last night as I was distracted enough not to give in to it. I ate just under 500kcals according to MFP. All good.

I've had a two egg omlette for breakfast today (feel stuffed!), am planning on soup for lunch, and we are going out tonight for dinner but I'll have a healthyier option so I can drink more wine . I'm not going to calorie count on my up days for the time being. I might start if I find i'm over eating for the hell of it though.

Good luck to all today - especially the fasters.

suja1983 Fri 10-Aug-12 10:29:08

Good morning and welcome to the newbies!!

First fast yesterday. Woke up this morning feeling very virtuous!
Did feel slightly light headed but I was expecting that. 2 slices of toast and I'm feeling fab. Am off out tonight so need to eat so I don't get silly drunk!

I'm going to start off doing 4:3 as well simply because im
An all or nothing person.
I couldn't fast on two consecutive days though because my sugar levels do decrease rapidly and I don't want to risk that. Plus it's a lot easier to fast one day knowing you're eating the next! smile

For newbies on mfp my name is suja1983. Please feel free to add me

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BuntCadger Fri 10-Aug-12 10:51:25

Just joined mfp with same user name as here. Please feel free to add me

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 10:59:53

Been thinking more about yesterday - what I had by the end of the fast was a kind of hollowed out feeling. Not hunger, and not an unpleasant feeling at all, just a feeling of being very lean and everything in my body being very clear and working correctly. Remember a similar feeling from when I started low-carbing. I'd love to know if this is some sort of sensory illusion or if I am actually detecting changes of some kind.

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bibbetybobbityboo Fri 10-Aug-12 12:06:40

Have been reading with interest am failing miserably at the eat more to lose more eating plan. This might suit me better. Just wondering how everyone defines their 24 hours though. For example, could i say 24 hours is from 12 noon one day til 12 noon the next or similar or is it important for my whole waking hours for one day to be fast time? I am someone who if i am busy doing something can totally forget to eat so am thinking this might not be too much of a struggle if i plan it well.

Cuttothechase Fri 10-Aug-12 12:11:34

Kotinka, this is totally different to Atkins - that diet was dangerous as well as being very strict about food groups you could eat. This one IS achievable - but you may be making it harder for yourself trying for zero calorie days? - that could account for the lighheadedness perhaps? - stick with it, but set yourself realistic targets! Be positive! :-)

TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 12:18:27

I've amended my MFP setting to follow sugar now. So I'm counting:

Calories, carbs, sat fat, fat, sugar and protein.

All I've had today is porridge made with 1% milk and a tsp of honey, a cup of tea (milk no sugar), a small glass of OJ and 80g (1 portion) of pineapple. I'm already way over on my sugar!

I can really see now how you can consume far too much sugar even if you are eating healthily. I'm going to struggle to eat my allowances of all the others but sugar...! It's shocking really!

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MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 12:25:50

It really is! Grains and fruit are full of deferred sugar. I have an idea berries are supposed to be the least glucose-spiky type of fruit - certainly Briffa and I think Mark's Daily Apple have them down as 'consume freely'.

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 13:47:22

Berries are unlimited on briffa
Apples to be consumed in a limited way.
No pineapples or bananas

wheresmyperry Fri 10-Aug-12 13:50:18

Well, my second fast day was yesterday. It was harder than the first one, but not really THAT hard. I still had plenty of energy and didn't feel any ill-effects. Just hungry!

I'll need a few weeks to tweek out all the variables. I had lunch instead of breakfast yesterday (well, a salad + 1/4 mango + 5 strawberries) and three cups of tea (1T milk, 1t sugar each - I measured!) and lots of water. I think breakfast suited me better.

Also, maybe leaving two 'normal' days btwn the fasts would be easier (ie, Mon & Thurs).

Kotinka - I got the feeling that the fasting period was really +/- 36 hours, rather than 24. So, you eat normally day 1, eat only 500 cals for the whole of Day 2, and begin to eat normally again on the morning of Day 3. Is that what you're doing??

LookBehindYou Fri 10-Aug-12 14:42:21

Hello all, can I join?
I had my two fast days on Wednesday and yesterday. The first day was hard but yesterday was easy (well, easier). I found it worked better for me if I had a big breakfast and tiny snack in the evening. I quite enjoyed the hollowed out feeling - felt very lean as MadBusLady said.

LouiseDavies Fri 10-Aug-12 15:48:09

Hi everyone, I've just joined after seeing the programme on Monday.As I'm an older mum (children all grown up) the health benefits were the main interest. (As there is diabetes,cancer and heart disease on both parents' sides)I also would like to lose around a stone too) I've been researching all week and nice to see this discussion ongoing with everyone sharing ideas. My conclusions have been that I am going to follow the 2 days/ 500 calories fasting by eating low carb, low sugar to get good nutrition and see how things go. That should give your insulin production a rest which would make sense for the research. Something along the lines of chicken or fish with veg as meal after work and salad and fruit in day. Have never only eaten two meals a day (willingly) so will try this and compare with eating over 3 times a day. Fingers crossed!

phlebas Fri 10-Aug-12 16:20:23

hi everyone! Today was another fast day - I modified it slightly so that I had my main meal at 4pm yesterday & have just eaten today (sardines, egg, some veggies & a slice of toast - 431 calories, 33.6g protein) so that I had a true 24 hour fast before the restricted calorie meal.

Yesterday was normal food - an apple & slice of toast with marmite mid morning, wrap with a falafel & salad for lunch & a small skimmed milk cappuccino, then we had veggie burgers in buns with salad for dinner - not low carb, but low-ish fat & low sugar. Have no idea how manay calories.

I felt really great today - not hungry at all & very energetic. I managed to fit into a pair or jeans & a dress that I haven't managed to wear since dc3 was a year old - dc4 is now 14 months blush Best of all I woke up without back pain (from an old injury) this morning which hasn't happened since I was last not fat.

Am resisting temptation to weigh myself - Monday is weigh in day & that will be the end of three weeks of ADF.

phlebas Fri 10-Aug-12 16:23:00

unhappyhildebrand I'm doing alternate day fasting rather than 5:2 because I have a lot of weight to lose. I'd love to get to the point where I can do 5:2 for health & to maintain my weight. DH is doing 5:2 & really doesn't want to lose weight ... not sure how that will work out.

phlebas Fri 10-Aug-12 16:36:36

In fact, this whole notion of 'you must eat breakfast' is a killer for me. If I don't eat breakfast, I don't get hungry, if I do eat breakfast, I'm ravenous all day long!

this is absolutely true for me too - the more frequently I eat the hungrier I am.

My dh is very slim, he's also sedentary, probably drinks too much & is at an age where all his friends are either getting fat or having to work very hard not to get fat - he puts no effort into it at all & eats what he wants (& usually a lot of it), though he has very little meat. But for the 15 years I've known him he has only had one meal a day (in the evening). Maybe that has something to do with it.

Someone (sorry) down thread asked where my protein comes from on fast days - primarily eggs (we eat a lot as we have hens) or fish (sardines or salmon).

Badvoc Fri 10-Aug-12 16:41:07

Yes I agree re breakfast and the egg thing...most of my protein is from eggs too.
Not that fond of meat really, apart from lamb and chicken.

Chestnutx3 Fri 10-Aug-12 16:57:56

Think my first stage is just to give up eating breakfast. I was never overweight when I didn't eat breakfast. Will start 5:2 when term starts. Just can't do the fasting thing in front of the kids, also may end up shouting at them due to hunger blush. The holidays are the worse, too many picnics which involve bread. Sigh...

SilveryMoon Fri 10-Aug-12 17:05:56

I've just been telling dp about this and he wants to give out a go too.

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TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 17:33:46

But I love pineapples and bananas sad


I've noticed that today I haven't felt that hungry. I only had a light lunch of houmous and crudite and couldn't eat anything else.

We're having pasta and tomato sauce tonight. But I only eat about 50g dry weight of pasta anyway. And maybe some cheese.

DD made some chocolate chip cookies this afternoon and I didn't eat a single one. I did taste the mixture but now it just seemed too sweet.

TroublesomeEx Fri 10-Aug-12 17:35:00

Well done Phlebas. Sounds like you might be in for some good news on Monday then! grin

Mojisola Fri 10-Aug-12 17:35:25

Good afternoon ladies, I am so happy to have found this forum. I stumbled on the 5:2 documentary by Mosely whilst looking for an Eastenders episode on the BBC website and found it fascinating. I decided yesterday that I'd give it a go. I have never dieted before but I have fasted occasionally in the past for spiritual purposes. I have decided on today and tomorrow as my fast days for this week and so far today I have had a bowl of porridge (50g before making it) with the blue-top milk and about a teaspoon of sugar as breakfast. I have been drinking cups of white tea (no sugar) since then and my tummy feels so bloated now (it only ever feels bloated when I am on my period which I'm not right now). It was rumbling earlier (the rumbling has stopped). Is this a normal reaction?
I must add at this point that my aim is to banish belly fat and gain all the benefits listed in the documentary of warding off certain diseases. I am a size 10 and from behind you'd think I was slim but my belly fat is visible in my side view and my dh teases me that i look preggie. I am 34 yrs old and would like a flat tummy but not been interested in other diet crazes until this one as it looks do-able to me. i got married just last year and we are looking at getting pregnant before the end of this year so i'd like a flat tummy before the baby is conceived so i dont look 'humoungous' when i do get pregnant smile
so... is this bloated feeling normal? is it my body's way of saying something?

CagneyNLacey Fri 10-Aug-12 19:03:21

Hi mojisola, have you joined myfitnesspal yet? You can enter everything you fat and drink and find out the exact calorie content of it and keep track/plan.

CagneyNLacey Fri 10-Aug-12 19:04:37

That should be 'everything you EAT' not 'fat' stupid auto correct!

MadBusLady Fri 10-Aug-12 19:08:30

Hehe, topical auto-correct. I "fat" quite a lot of things.

Good luck to everybody fasting tomorrow! I will now have a large gin

coffeeandcake Fri 10-Aug-12 19:21:13

HI. I watched the prog the other night too, and am very interested in doing this 5:2 thingy for health reasons (I am not overweight).

Do you ladies that are doing it sleep ok??? If I don't eat alot during a day, I always wake up ravenous in the night (perhaps my 500 calories should be scheduled in for 3am grin)

and is there a general consensous about splitting your calories or having in one single sitting? (sorry - there are 14 pages of this, and i haven't read all posts).

wheresmyperry Fri 10-Aug-12 19:36:07

I love love love the days I eat! (Wipes cake crumbs off sofa.)

What's with all the breakfast-haters? grin If I eat a good breakfast, I can go all day. I need breakfast. Lunch I can live without.

Kotinka I get it - you're eating the 500 calories only after you've gone 24 full hours of no calories at all, then waiting again until the next day to eat normally. I see your point.

Mojisola Lots of things can make you feel bloated. You might have a food sensitivity or intolerance? Probably a good idea to check with your GP about your belly.

Harimad Fri 10-Aug-12 19:45:13

Coffeeandcake - I think it comes down to personal preference - Dr Mosley had breakfast and dinner, but whatever floats your boat smile.

Just finished my 2nd day of fasting. I had just 2 'meals' today (lunch and dinner) which worked out much better for me. Dinner was prawns, broccoli and pak choi stir fry - found a lovely low cal soy, chilli and coriander dressing in M&S today which worked great with this and I expect to use quite a lot on my fast days!

Didn't feel hungry today, but did have another headache (caffeine/sugar withdrawal?)... Looking forward to tomorrow tho grin.

marinake Fri 10-Aug-12 19:47:13

Joining you from over the big pond, watched the documentary last week and was fascinated. Been thinking about losing weight this summer, but not knowing how to get my head round it. Grandma has diabetes, ruined joints and is heavily overweight. Dad: heart-problems and other grandma had severe dementia. Don't want to end up like them!

So, today was my first fast-day.
Had two slices of bread with apple-spread for breakfast (the idea of skipping breakfast scares me!) and instant noodles for dinner. Been drinking mugs of green tea all day (since the Doctor advised that on twitter).
Afterwards I found this thread and got good inspiration for better meals, so thank you!

Thinking about which days to make my fast days. I'm off work on wed and thurs so one of them and then a day in the weekend, though that might prove hard.
I go to the gym on saturday-morning and have been thinking of starting the fast after lunch on saturday, not eating till sunday morning, light breakfast and then normal dinner on sunday. What do you think?

Hope you all have a great weekend, either fasting or not smile.
Thanks for all the geat links and tips!

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 20:01:56

Evening fasters and eaters.

I was on an eat day today (having fasted for 2 days). One of the unexpected results was I didn't feel like putting my hand in the biscuit tin. When shall we have a weigh in? I have bought some new scales.

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 20:08:39

Hi Marinake - are you new to mumsnet? If so welcome.

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ameliameerkat Fri 10-Aug-12 20:27:27

Second fast day for me today, after eating yesterday. No breakfast. Soup and one slice of wholemeal bread for lunch. Banana mid afternoon. Carrots and dip made from low fat natural yoghurt for tea. Water, white tea and diet coke to drink. It was hot this afternoon and I felt a bit low in energy this afternoon, but definitely doable! Looking forward to eating tomorrow grin - I'm going out for nice lunch, I might even have some dessert grin

Aiming for 2 days on 500 cal a week, to lose a bit of weight.

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LookBehindYou Fri 10-Aug-12 21:15:02

The peeing is good isn't it Kotinka? Always a sign of a good loss for me.
I felt fine yesterday but am exhausted today and feel very ratty. This will take some getting used to.

TheCunningStunt Fri 10-Aug-12 21:19:29

Well I couldn't manage that much to eat today. Just 1039 calories. I found myself eating smaller things. So a nibble here and there and beans on toast for tea. Lots and
Lots of water. I weigh myself on a Sunday. So will be doing that then! Looking forward to my fast days next week. I feel great!

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marinake Fri 10-Aug-12 21:38:24

Yes, new to mumsnet, found this thread whilst looking for ideas about the 5:2 diet. No good info in Dutch.
Was watching Olympics and feeling actually a bit sickish, had some crackers to pick myself up. Hope my second day somewhere next week will go better.

jollydiane Fri 10-Aug-12 21:55:23

Marinake - you will soon find mumsnet very additive - you have been warned.

Bigchatter Fri 10-Aug-12 21:59:25

I have been set a task by my gp to lower my 5.8 cholestrol score through diet and phys in 3 monthsor go on statins. It will be interesting to see thw result after 5 and 2. On my first day of fasting today and been ok but getting aheadache now

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MrsNouveauRichards Sat 11-Aug-12 07:36:07

Hello. I recognise some of you from the LC bootcamp. Low carb worked for me, but I found after 2 weeks I was miserable and getting gut ache. I want to lose weight, but really I want to be healthy. My mother's side of the family are the unhealthiest bunch, anything you could have, someone has got it!

I tried a low calorie day, just to see how/what etc. and despite eating mostly veg for the entire day, with only a small slip up, I was up to my 1300 calorie limit on MFP. Gutted grin

I am trying to improve my family's diet, but not by cutting stuff out, more by adding more fruit, veg, wholegrain etc. If I could do the 5:2 on top of this, hopefully that will be a really good result.
Before I met DH I would often have a couple of days every 6 weeks or so where I just wasn't hungry and would live of a little fruit or something. My weight balanced itself.

I too find having breakfast makes me hungrier through the day.

I am going to attempt a fast day on Monday, and think I'll stick to packaged food to start so easier to keep track.

Sorry for epic post! grin

Badvoc Sat 11-Aug-12 08:27:10

I have read the alternate day diet.
Am going to try 3 fasting days per week of 500 cals next week...mon, weds and fri.
My weight this morning is 73.8kgs.
I want to lose 10 kgs.
The book suggests ready made shakes like,slim fast etc to start with to make it easiermdor you but I can't have them as I didn't cant have milk. I have but some 92 cal cups soups to have, as well as fruit.

notsoold Sat 11-Aug-12 09:41:24

Hi there!!!
I planned my week and today is my fasting day!

Although healthy I want to lose weight and to see if my biscuits/cake/ sugar goes down because sometimes seems I am married to Mr kipling!!!!

I will have teas during the day and a meal dinner time!

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 10:05:55

I am on fast day 2, after 2 days of normal eating. I hope this is as easy as the first one was!

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 10:21:31

I actually feel sick today, but that could be related to teh sunburn I got yesterday sad

dontcallmehon Sat 11-Aug-12 10:31:31

Hi all, good luck to those of you fasting today. I'm doing the ADF to start with. I'm trying to eat as little as possible on the fast days, so yesterday I had a veggie sausage and a boiled egg. I did have a few cups of tea with milk, as I don't like black tea. Have also been drinking hot water with lemon balm and mint from the garden, which is very refreshing.

On a food day today . Had a blueberry muffin and scrambled egg on toast. Am noticing I feel fuller than I normally would. Really like this diet, as I frequently skip meals and always assumed it was a bad thing. This way of eating makes sense to me, as I don't feel deprived.

Slimandhappy Sat 11-Aug-12 10:44:34

How do I refresh the chat on here? I am missing the comments

suja1983 Sat 11-Aug-12 10:52:45

Morning everyone.

Like I said, went out yesterday and ended up at mcds after a lot of alcohol!!!! :s

Fast day today and I'm actually looking forward to it!! Feel like I could do with the hollow feeling after the excesses of yesterday.

Im really hoping that this fasting thing is going to sort out the mindless eating that I do generally.

Good luck fasters!! smile

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ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 11:11:03

suja, I too was (weirdly) looking forward to sating again today! Never in my life did I think I would look forward to not eating! I loved the feeling of emptiness and the hollow tummy feeling I had last time.

ameliameerkat Sat 11-Aug-12 11:18:15

I found the second fast day yesterday still pretty tough, and I'm finding I'm definitely eating more on the non-fast days as I'm just much hungrier! I'm looking forward to 3 days of eating normally now smile. Next fast day on Tuesday, then Thursday. Going to find some low cal soup to make.

Hi all can I just look in on you from time to time, please? I am just lurking but wanted to say 'hi'.

Am interested in the 5:2 and would like to talk to my doc as I have a lot of weight to lose and have problems with blood pressure. Am currently losing OK but would also like to get the health benefits from the 5:2.

blackcatsdancing you mentioned blood work. I wonder if the doctor might do that for you? I think I will ask mine. My Mum has Parkinson's so I definitely have an interest in not developing that disease.

alfiemama you mentioned books I saw this on another mumsnet thread www.genesisuk.org/media-centre/articles/The%20Intermittent%20diet%20.html

Oh unhappyhildebrand peppermint tea! I used to fast more for religious reasons when I was younger and I started drinking peppermint tea! I associated it with fasting so much that for ages I hated it! Now I drink green tea a lot and love it.

ILoveStripeySocks wow, Mosley said he was losing too much weight you say! I have been looking on Twitter at what he says, it is very interesting, you don't even need to tweet him because he is answering other people’s questions and that is really helpful.

I so much understand what people mean about the stress of the diet thing.

squidworth I have struggled for 20 years with my weight. I lost loads in my twenties and put it all back on and then some!

I am finally getting somewhere after years of impulse eating. I saw a clinical psychologist who just talked to me about what normal eating would look like for me, and encouraged me that I could do it, I could say no to food and to be honest it has been so much better. I have calorific food in the house (like sweets and biscuits) but don't feel the need to eat them. It has really helped to know I can do it and to have others supporting me (two ladies at my church are praying for me and asking me how it is going - in a nice way not a stressful way).

I would love to give this a go too and will watch your results with interest.

Good luck to all of you.

Katisha Sat 11-Aug-12 11:59:10

Hello all. I would like to join. I have low carbed for years but can never keep the lost weight off. Had a lot of success with Dukan 18 months ago but hey presto it's mostly all gone back on.

So DH assured two consecutive days on fast would be best but having done that yesterday and day before I think I'll stick to single days. Raging headache this morning!

Two pounds down which I know will be water loss.

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 13:32:33

Halfway through fast day #2, and its fine so far. Just had a large salad with coronation chicken & a tablespoon of raspberry & sweet basil dressing, coming in at 248 cals - yum!

Planning on roasting some courgette, red pepper, red onion this eveing & having it with some lime & coriader prawns, that should be 252 cals. That will take me to exactly 500 cals!

HappyOrchid Sat 11-Aug-12 13:39:51

Well yesterday was a 'feed' day, but I was racing around like a loony and I'm not sure I are enough. Have made sure to have a fresh cream scone today, just in the interests of the experiment of course wink

nankypeevy Sat 11-Aug-12 14:32:42

I'm impressed with this. Am not hungry, and not bothered about nibbling when making the kids' food eithr. This has never happened before...

weigh in on Monday - but I'll be at my MILS/ usually drives me to stuffing my face...

so, back tat my scales on Wed, hoping not to screw this up by then. Tell you what, I feel confident, my skin is better and my MOOD si better after a week of this.

Who knows what will happen after a year - I expect I'll have grown superpowers or something...

Mojisola Sat 11-Aug-12 15:15:00

CagneyNLacey and Wheresmyperry; thank you! i'll check out myfitnesspal for the calorie counting and see a GP about the bloated feeling.
i must say, i dont feel bloated today (2nd fast day). i skipped breakfast and had a bowl of veg salad with some mayonnaise at 12:30. been drinking water since and dont feel hungry. i even survived a trip to the shops for groceries without feeling light headed. looking forward to tomorrow and the next 5 days of feeding smile
good luck everyone!!!

angelweightbattle2012 Sat 11-Aug-12 15:21:31

Hi Everyone i'm new to the forum but i would love to join in with this diet. I have started today and am on my first fast day so far so good i am having just the one meal a day in the evening and a cup of tea first thing and plenty of water i have been reading this thread and can not wait to see what weight losses we all achieve. I am also doing this for the health benefits but i think in my case health and weight loss will go hand in hand. I have been on a calorie restricted diet for 2 years with a varying amount of success in total i have shed 8 stone but i seem to have hit a brick wall and get so fed up with it so it was time for a change and after watching the program and reading all your thoughts on it i thought why not. hope you are all having a lovely weekend and i am looking forward to sharing 500 cal meal ideas and supporting each other smile

LookBehindYou Sat 11-Aug-12 15:30:03

Angel, an eight stone loss is fantastic! Congratulations! This will probably give you a kick start to get you through your plateau.

phlebas Sat 11-Aug-12 15:42:31

angel what an amazing achievement ... well done! You must feel fantastic smile

Feed day today - feels a bit weird not to be thinking about what I am/am not/am supposed to be eating. Had a cheese & cucumber sandwich for lunch with fromage frais & fruit & am off to my parents' for dinner which will probably end up fairly calorific hmm

annafran Sat 11-Aug-12 16:49:51

May I join in too? I have already started in fact. My first fast day was Tuesday, the day after the Horizon programme first aired and my 2nd is today. Finding today more difficult and would prefer to avoid weekends normally. I have decided to go with only 1meal a day and some fruit. This is so my OH has the same meal as me, more or less. I add extra at/carbs to his. I find this way is easier for me.

I have lost lot of weight over the last couple of years didn't get to target bmi but got down to 26 from a starting point of over 40! But it's starting to creep back on and I've been searching for something that is maintainable for ever and this looks like it could be.

Can I just add that whether you're going ADD or 5:2, it will really be counter productive to lower your calorific intake on the up days. The whole point of this diet is to get start the gene SIRT1 into working properly, if you don't eat a sufficient calorie load on your updays then this won't happen, your body will go into starvation mode and fight to keep every last ounce of fat that you have by lowering, rather than increasing( which is what we are aiming for) your metabolic rate. Please read: The Alternate Day Diet by James B Johnson for a more complete explanation.

That's all for now folks smile

TheCunningStunt Sat 11-Aug-12 16:52:41

I am doing Monday and Friday next week. Looking forward to it. Also looking forward to tea.l..lots of chicken and a lovely baguette

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ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 17:37:38

Wow angel, well done on your weight loss!

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 17:38:40

and you annafran!

suja1983 Sat 11-Aug-12 17:55:23

Angel that's brilliant on your weight loss. And annafran! smile

I'm having to rethink this fasting thing on the weekend. I spend a lot of my weekends at my mum's house where there's always fab food available. I did manage to resist for most of today but then the kids and I got an unexpected request to go out for dinner so heading off.

I'm thinking though, my week runs from Wednesday to Wednesday as that is when I get weighed at slimming world. I fasted Thursday, so can still make Monday and Wednesday and that's my 4:3. Thereafter I can do Monday, Wednesday and Friday and not worry so much about the weekends.

Sound a plan?

Can't believe how well everyone is doing on this. smile

Here's to longer lives, better memories, and no illnesses!!! And obv the weight loss thing can't hurt! ;)

ILoveStripeySocks Sat 11-Aug-12 18:12:31

Just had my 2nd meal of the day, I dry roasted some red pepper, courgette, cherry tomatoes, red onion and had that with some lime & coriander prawns. Very tasty! I think I am a couple of calories over my 500 today, but only by about 10 or so.

CJCregg Sat 11-Aug-12 18:20:10

Hello all, I'm checking in although don't have much to report.

I've done one fast day so far, which went fine. We've been staying with friends since then so I've been eating 'normally'. And that hasn't meant any cutting back - I don't seem to have the reduction in hunger that some people have had.

So, three days after my first fast, I still feel bloated and fat. Can't wait to get home tomorrow and start fasting again.

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MeanMrsMustard Sat 11-Aug-12 18:30:43

Hello everyone and well done for your efforts so far!
Welcome to all new comers. Annafran and Angel, your losses are bloody amazing. Well done!

I'm on fast day 2. I'm so hungry right now! I had a bbq lunch - 1 chicken skewer, 2 mushroom skewers, 1/3 corn on the cob and some salad. Dinner (starting very soon!) will be an artichoke (hopefully the length of time it takes to eat it might fool me into thinking i'm eating more than I really am), asparagus and a poached egg, and the 2nd chicken skewer I didn't eat at lunch.

I went for a swim this morning with DH. Every Saturday he tries to persuade me to go with him, but I always say no. THis morning I felt so energised that I packed my swim stuff before he even asked me. Yikes!
Also, last night we went out for dinner. I ended up just having a starter (and lots of wine!) because I was really aware of my hunger levels. Normally I would just order something indulgent as a 'treat'.

Enjoy Saturday night ladies!

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LookBehindYou Sat 11-Aug-12 18:51:44

Hello all. So my fast days were last Wednesday and Thursday. Wednesday was awful. I did no work, just googled diet stuff obsessively all day and drank gallons of herbal tea. My omelette that night was the finest food ever. Thursday was really easy. I felt very productive and fresh and could manage my hunger easily. Yesterday, I felt really tired and very emotional and stroppy. Today I feel great and am looking forward to fasting next week. It's definitely making me much more aware of what I eat.

angelweightbattle2012 Sat 11-Aug-12 20:51:13

Hi everyone and thank you for all your kind messages wish i had found this forum ages ago.
I am now nearing the end of my first fast day can i ask do they run from when i get up in the morning to the following morning? I last ate normally at 7pm last night and have stuck to 500 cals today so would i then eat normally for breakfast tomorrow? sorry i was planing on watching the program again but my virgin media crashed grrr.
Kontinka: Before this i was on around 1200-1400 cals a day i used to make sure i could have thing's i liked not cut anything out completely as i have tried meal replacement diets and cabbage soup all the usual things and failed each time i would slip back into foods i liked and the weight would pile back on more than before. So after being poorly and having a surgeon who was obsessed by my weight i just started eating normally making sure i left enough calories for things i wanted it has not been easy and i still have 4-5 stone to go but i have lowered my bmi and hope this diet will kick start me again as i need a hernia operation so i am trying to get as fit as possible i think this has aided my slimming as i have needed a fair few operations so always have the anesthetic risks in the back of my mind if my weight started to creep up. The most i have gained in the 2 years i have been slimming has been 4lb once the rest of the time has been losses or staying the same which is where i am now so fingers crossed this new way of eating helps.

marinake Sat 11-Aug-12 21:05:43

Angel: good work so far, and keep it up!
I think you're doing it right, after the full fast day, you can have a normal breakfast tomorrow.

I had a good 'normal' day today. Not felt really hungry after the first fast day. Had a nice dinner but only took one portion, so I felt really proud.
Now watching the hockey finals and had some watermelon as a snack smile
Been going throught bbcgoodfood site, there are some really tasty looking recipes on there!
Have a good weekend all!

annafran Sat 11-Aug-12 23:56:22

Thanks ILoveStripeySocks, suja1983 and MeanMrsMustard for the encouragement and welcome.
I'm getting to the end of my 2nd fast day, I'm doing 5:2 ATM, though this may change depending on results. Have to admit its been more difficult than the first. It's approaching midnight and I'm hungry. Hope I can get to sleep soon, then it'll be breakfast smile. Must try not to do this at weekend again, too difficult.

TroublesomeEx Sun 12-Aug-12 07:10:28

Well Friday was a 'normal' day and I didn't manage to eat much.

I went to a local agricultural show yesterday and managed to avoid all of the food except for a vegetarian scotch egg! (And very nice it was too and no pretend meat in sight!)

I went out for dinner and couldn't finish a salad, and had a black coffee after because I couldn't manage a pudding.

DH and I are trying a fast day today to see if it's easier at the weekend when we are together and able to support each other.

I'm quite looking forward to it! We're going to try the one meal in the middle of the day rather than splitting into 2 smaller meals to get the full 'fasting' benefits. But it's not a proper designated fast day so if we fail it's not big deal.

ILoveStripeySocks Sun 12-Aug-12 07:13:38

Well my 2nd fasting day went great yesterday, I feel like i can easily do this smile I am on feed days now til Tuesday so maynot be around much. Keep up the great work everyone!

Harimad Sun 12-Aug-12 08:55:17

ilovestripeysocks - your roasted veg/prawn meal sounded lush - will have to give that a go.

Well done to angel on the previous weightless - hope this works out for you. Like everyone else on this thread, this feels much more sustainable long term...

annafran - in the ADF book does it say if you should aim for any particular calorie level on feed days or just not to think about it at all?

I overindulged yesterday on wine and BBQ - I'm now looking forward
to my next fast day strangely! Was even considering doing it today, but will stick to M/W/F's as previously planned...

Good luck to all today!

Harimad Sun 12-Aug-12 08:56:30

Weightless = weightloss - bloomin predictive text!

TheCunningStunt Sun 12-Aug-12 09:04:09

Right today is official weigh in day for me and it's a 2 pound loss this week. Fast day tomorrow and Friday this week. I am full of energy. I also start m yoga and Pilates properly this week too, since my kids are going to school/nursery so will have time to relax and do them properly.
Tomorrow it's berries and yoghurt at about 12, with a dinner of chicken breast and Mediterranean roast veg. Better planned this week! Drinking lots of water helps too I think.

Well done everyone.

ameliameerkat Sun 12-Aug-12 10:26:24

(I know there's an official weigh in thread but I'm not really weighing in properly).

So, first fast day was Wednesday, didn't think to weigh myself before I started (d'oh). Weighed myself on Thursday. Second fast day Friday. Weighed myself this morning - lost 2 pounds!! Don't know how that happened!

Don't you need to be short of 3500 cals to lose a pound a week? Two days on 500 cals and I'll have lost about 3000 for the week? And I definitely ate more than usual on the day in between the fast days. And I've done hardly any exercise this week!

My aim is to lose half a stone and as I can only do the 5:2 in August really (all my exercise classes start back in Sept, and I don't think Ill be able to do a class in the evening when I've only had 500cals!) I thought I wouldn't have time, but if it stays at 2 pounds a week I might just squeeze it in! I might go down to 6:1 then.

annafran Sun 12-Aug-12 10:55:28

Harimad: in the initial stages he says eat what you want. This is to overcome the "infinite horizon of hunger and deprivation"* that most diets offer and why most of us fail in the long term. He does however note that gradually people's up day intake tends to increase and then it's a good idea to keep a food diary just to keep an eye on what you're doing. I'm afraid no one has ever sustained weight loss on packets of biscuits or boxes of doughnuts. sad
I think the idea is updays should really be your 'normal' daily calorie requirement if you weren't dieting. This, of course, is different for everyone so he gives no absolute numbers

*The Alternate Day Diet - James B Johnson

MeanMrsMustard Sun 12-Aug-12 11:07:53

Thanks Annafran, I was wondering about the up days too. I am recording my intake, and am trying to keep it between about 1600 - 1800 kcals on a 'normal' eating day . Is that ok do you think? I dont want to get too het up about it if its not necessary, but I also know myself and that I work best if I have rules!
Of course I am only 5 days into this so I am still playing around to find what works for me!

Dosey Sun 12-Aug-12 18:53:34

Hi everybody, well after a successful fast day on Thursday I have have had three days normal eating which I must say, considering it has been the weekend I have been quite healthy. The only thing to let me down was I binged on some of the kids sweets last night, I dont even know why I did that, my stomach felt awful afterwards. Anyway today I have had a big sunday dinner packed with veg and a large slice of chocolate cake this was at 1pm today. That was my last meal. I am running tonight, I am training for the great north run and then fasting until tomorrow tea time. I reckoned the chocolate would fuel my run tonight. I must say fasting is a lot easier than I thought, I just need to make sure I do get my 500 calories on my fasting days because last time I woke up with what felt like the hangover from hell.

I hope everybody is doing good, from older posts I think a few people will be fasting tomorrow so keep us posted.

TroublesomeEx Sun 12-Aug-12 19:00:45

DH and I managed a joint fast day today.

Pasta with tomato sauce and quorn sausage for lunch, followed by a slice of galia melon.

I left myself enough calories to have a slice of cheese and a cracker this evening. Just in case.

But I think in future I will be able to stick to one meal on the fast day to maximise the benefits of fasting.

PinkCustard Sun 12-Aug-12 19:40:27

Hello all, I watched the programme with great interest when it was on, and now reading through all your progress I've decided to give the 5:2 a go.

I'll weigh-in tomorrow before my 1st fast day, but I think I have about 7lbs to lose - just want to lose some belly fat really. My only concern for tomorrow is that I'm out at a high impact aerobics class in the eve, so I'll eat at lunchtime but then perhaps I should leave some calories spare to have something after the class - I won't be able to sleep if I go to bed starving! I'm hoping the fact that I'm out exercising in the evening will mean I'm not sitting round all night thinking about food, and I'm generally not very hungry after a hard class anyway. Will see how it goes...

LookBehindYou Sun 12-Aug-12 19:47:57

Do any of you work full time? I can't decide whether to have my main meal in the morning or evening.
Fast days next week will be tomorrow and Tuesday.
I like the idea of lime and coriander prawns with roasted veg. Did you fry the prawns stripey socks?

MrsNouveauRichards Sun 12-Aug-12 19:58:09

Evening all.

Fast day for me tomorrow, plan is some blueberries in the morning if I feel the need, then some soup for lunch and soup for dinner, with maybe an instant hot chocolate before bed (options or highlights type thing) maybe some crackers or veg added to the 'meals'

This will be a trial run for me, so not going to commit to it til I see how I get on tomorrow.

I might be on here a lot tomorrow to keep my hands busy! grin

ameliameerkat Sun 12-Aug-12 20:20:05

LookBehindYou I work full time and I'm having my main meal in the middle of the day, but also saving calories for a wee snack in the afternoon and evening (I'm doing it for weight loss, not for the added fasting benefits). The worst time I find is 10am - 12noon (then I eat!).

Anyone else getting headaches on fast days?

I think we're all doing rather well so far smile. Well done us!! grin

TheCunningStunt Sun 12-Aug-12 20:48:51

I work from home so its tempting to eat! Lookin forward to my fast day tomorrow. Decided on a cup a soup and slice of bread at lunch time(150cals) and then chicken breast, loads of savoy cabbage and a little roast veg to get me to my 500. I have a 750ml water bottle that makes it easy to track my water intake. I drink two of them and 3 cups of tea/green tea (or apple and cinnamon as its naturally a bit sweeter).

I got headaches last week when I had one main meal at tea time so am hoping having a light lunch will help

Is anyone else really energetic all day and then wiped by 8pm on non fast days? Not sure if its this or the late nightsblush back to school and routine on Tuesday

suja1983 Mon 13-Aug-12 01:04:29

Hey everyone. Looks like everyone is doing well. Looking forward to fasting tomorrow. smile

SilveryMoon Mon 13-Aug-12 06:01:57

Good morning all. I was supposed to be having my first fasting day today but I'm going to do it tomorrow.
We are travelling back to London from Glasgow today so will be a bit stressful and boring on train for that long. Think of I do it today I'll just be setting myself up for failure.
Of now to catch up with thread

Chubfuddler Mon 13-Aug-12 06:51:52

Right I'm in. Just had a glass of apple juice (125kcal) tonight will be a small chicken breast and big green salad. That will do for fast day one. Am also giving up wine (gulp).

Harimad Mon 13-Aug-12 07:23:47

After 2 feed days I'm back to fasting. My stomach's rumbling already!
Planning on teas and coffee to lunch when I'll have a veg omelette, then beef stirfry tonight.

Planning on a big cycle ride this afternoon - can I offset some of this with a bit more food, or should I just forge through? Don't want to get jelly legs!

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 07:34:06

Harimad, I think if you eat more when you exercise it would offset the benefits of fasting, but I'm no expert (understatement). You should make sure to take in a lot of fluids. Could you have the bike ride another day?

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LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 08:05:44

So, I'm obsessing about food already.
UnhappyH, I'm planning to stick to it too on hols. Shouldn't be too hard to not eat while lying on a beach.

FuzzzyDuckosaurus Mon 13-Aug-12 08:13:21

Hello all, room for one more? grin

Very intrigued by this diet. Haven't watched the programme but have read up and willing to give it a go.
Today is going to be my first fast day, having a small breakfast of boiled egg (74 kcal) and 2 breadsticks (42 kcal). That should do me for a while then I can have a better dinner later on. That's the plan anyway!

Harimad Mon 13-Aug-12 08:28:08

Hi lookbehindyou - last afternoon of hols with all the family together, so we are going to cycle the kids along to a big playpark. I feel how you do re eating more being counterproductive, so I'll try and do without.

Unhappyhildebrand good to hear it can be done! I'm feeling less rumbly now anyway - bit more concerned about DH since it's his first fast day hmm

Dosey Mon 13-Aug-12 08:32:13

Morning ladies, well today I am fasting. I had my last, huge dinner yesterday at 1pm, had a four mile run last night and plan on eating a homemade curry tonight for tea. I am on my second cup of green tea this morning and feeling fine. I am decorating today while Dds go to grandparents for the day so hopefully I will too busy to notice any hunger pangs.
Good luck to everybody else who is fasting today x

delilahbelle Mon 13-Aug-12 08:39:23

I am fasting today. Must admit I am not bothering with weigh-ins - I don't care about my weight, just want to lose the tummy flab.

My plan is to drink lots of cups of lemon and ginger tea today, and then to have a small meal about 4pm/when I get too hungry.

I am starting swimming on my non-fast days as well.

skirmish Mon 13-Aug-12 08:50:00

Hope it's alright to jump in and join thread smile

Finally got around to watching programme last night so first fast day today. Coffee with milk, only 25cal so a couple of those should keep me going. I never eat breakfast anyway so no different so far. Plan for salad and berries today...just not sure when!

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Mon 13-Aug-12 08:57:24

I haven't eaten since 4 pm yesterday so I'm going to fast today.

Not feeling overly hungry yet either.

I'm looking forward to the kids being back at school though. It's hard to pick what days to fast on as we are doing stud and I don't want to miss out on ice cream etc.

But a quick question: are you counting 24 hour blocks or days? I would be 24 hours fasting come 4 so should I take that as one day and eat a meal. Or should I take today as my fast day and just eat 500 cals?

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MrsNouveauRichards Mon 13-Aug-12 09:10:44

Just realised that perhaps planning a fast day when I have to do the weekly shop wasn't the best idea!

Cup of hot water and lemon so far. Going to have soup for lunch with maybe a slice of bread, then homemade bolognese for dinner with veg instead of spaghetti. My bolognese is quite low cal, so should be around 300 cals tops. Will also be spending an hour doing the horses this afternoon, then 20mins of riding this evening. I think it is manageable.....(i hope!)

ILoveStripeySocks Mon 13-Aug-12 09:24:05

Good luck to all those fasting today! My next fast day is tomorrow. Looking forward to it already!

To whoever asked, yes I did fry the prawns, but just in a non-stick pan in a teeny squeeze of lime juice.

Cuttothechase Mon 13-Aug-12 09:39:21

Second fasting day. Decided to do M and W and have one hard boiled egg for breakfast and main meal at lunchtime. Working 10 hour days so won't eat when I get home. Ate 'very' well over weekend and still managed to lose just under 2lbs according to encounter with scales this morning. I'm intrigued! Keep calm and carry on!

Dosey Mon 13-Aug-12 09:39:41

Hi Charlie, yes really you should just have 500 calories today so like unhappy said, all in all you will be fasting for 36 hours. Its a good idea to eat late the day before fasting, a light supper or snack maybe.

I am starting to feel that empty feeling and don't mind it at all. I feel like I am detoxing on my fasting days. All this water and green tea can't be a bad thing x

TheCunningStunt Mon 13-Aug-12 10:04:14

I have 16-18 hours between my fasts. One meal a day was too much I think, so I feel better making it a small lunch and small dinner.

CharlieUniformNovemberTango Mon 13-Aug-12 10:07:03

Thanks guys smile

I was just confusing myself there.

I'm going to try and hang on as late as possible and have my 500 calories in two small meals I think.

ILoveStripeySocks Mon 13-Aug-12 10:27:23

I find 2 small meals very managable, I am not finding fast days as bad as I thought I would.

MuddleJugs Mon 13-Aug-12 10:35:43

Hello all.

Saw the programme last week and looked online for more info and found this thread. Have been following everyone's progress with interest since having my first fast day last Wed. (Well think I might have spilled over the 500 cals that day...probably more like 700 confused, but that was hard enough!) Although did manage to leave an open, chilled and very inviting bottle of wine alone come the evening..think that's a first for me!
Felt pretty good that day, but did anyone else feel the effects the day after fasting? I was completely wiped out, although also pre-mentrual so it could have been more to do with that.
Anyway 2nd day fasting today...so far only a coffee and a chamomile tea, but already feeling a bit weak and wobbly! Thinking of having a bowl of porridge soon then a light evening meal, but definitely not feeling as committed as day 1!

MeanMrsMustard Mon 13-Aug-12 10:48:43

Good Morning,
I am on fast day #3 today.
I'm having a tin of tuna with tomatoes and onion for lunch, and an omlette (with maybe more tomatoes and onion!) for dinner. I've scheduled in a small bowl of homemade green veg soup as well which will be eaten as needed.

It was my weigh in day today and i've lost 4lbs since I started this last Wednesday.

I'm off to have another mug of herbal tea now! I don't feel too hungry yet, but ideally want to wait until at least 1pm before any food.

Good luck to you all today. I will be on here again soon, I'm sure!

HipHopSkipJumpomous Mon 13-Aug-12 10:55:12

Fasting today. I did one fast last week & then got very busy. I do appear to have lost a pound though.

So starting properly today - fasting today & probably Wednesday. Having a M&S Fuller Longer meal for lunch, then nothing but water/herbal teas etc. I'm quite tired after busy few days, so will probably have a very early night (much needed).

lovelydahlias Mon 13-Aug-12 11:29:19

Hello, Thanks for all the inspiration here to do this. On second day of fasting, just made a veggie chilli from the 200 calorie recipe section on the Good Food website (as linked above thanks) does anyone know what a portion size would be though, I can't find any information at the moment? Thanks very much.

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 11:33:10

I'm on herbal tea number 5. Colleagues are looking at me a bit strangely. Pretty sure they think I'm pregnant.

unhappyhildebrand Mon 13-Aug-12 11:39:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MrsNouveauRichards Mon 13-Aug-12 11:47:47

grin herbal tea, hardly eating - must be morning sickness!

Just added all my food (planned) for today and it has come to 620 cals. This is fine for me, I imagine it will take some getting used to.

Oh, and waitrose Love Life hot chocolate is only 38 calories per mug (4-6 tsp) and their chunky minestrone soup is 140 for a whole tin.

Can anyone recommend any naturally sweet herbal teas? I usually add a dash of honey to mine, but worried about this adding to the calorie total of the day. Stocked up on peppermint tea as i'm going in for a laparoscopy next week (heard its good for the pain) any other herbal tea recommendations?

RightBuggerforit Mon 13-Aug-12 12:16:11

Hello, I've just started on 5:2. Lost 3lbs last week doing a slimfast/5:2 combo, then had feast day or two, and overindulged and have put 2lbs back on this morning, damn! I suppose this is the kind of diet you need to weigh once a week rather than every day. Fast day today, so for ease I'll stick to 2 slimfasts today. Got lots of baby weight to lose, hopefully 2 stone by xmas and then I'll reassess my goal I think. Good luck to everyone else on it. x

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 12:18:08

PUkka teas are great RightsaidFred. Take a look here: www.pukkaherbs.com/tea-room/all-our-teas.html?gclid=CKDIlr695LECFUNkfAodlRMAHQ

Thanks Lookbehindyou will have a nosey at those!

Mondayschild78 Mon 13-Aug-12 12:32:37

Hello everyone. Day #3 of fasting today and plan to do Mondays and Wednesdays. So far I'm feeling hungry but it's manageable. Plan to go through as long as possible without eating anything, maybe even make it to dinnertime. I'm drinking tea, coffee and blackcurrant squash. Might have some peppermint tea too. I haven't yet found a green tea I like which is a shame as I know it's really good for you.

Good luck to everyone for their fasting days this week.

Dosey Mon 13-Aug-12 12:36:50

Hi everybody just having a break from the decorating to see how everybody is doing. I have still not eaten, just having a coffee which is 80 calories and I am feeling fine. I cannot believe I have not tried this fasting before, it makes so much sense. I just never thought that I would be able to manage a whole day without food.

Keep up the good work everybody x

skirmish Mon 13-Aug-12 12:40:54

Feeling hungry which is unusual as I don't normally have lunch til 1pm anyway hmm

Cup if soup, 2 rice cakes and a poppadom later and feeling better! Still have 200 or so calories left so thinking big tuna salad for dinner.

If I could stop thinking about food it would be fine grin

Cuttothechase Mon 13-Aug-12 12:51:35

Just had an M&S Fuller Longer Asian style king prawn and rice salad (255 calories)- yummy! Noticed that Pret are doing some nice stuff too - Crayfish and avocado salad for just over 200 calories. Well that's Wednesday sorted!

MrsNouveauRichards Mon 13-Aug-12 12:55:11

I can definitely recommend the Waitrose Love Life chunky minestrone soup. Huge bowlful for 140 cals, really yummy and didn't feel the need for any bread either as it had pasta shells in.

Will look at those m&s meals.

For those of you who like eggs, we've been having 'two chicks pourable egg whites' for omletts and scrambled eggs. We get ours from sainsburys.

suja1983 Mon 13-Aug-12 13:47:30

Fast day #2 for me after 3 days of eating. I'm at mum's still so haven't sneakily checked my weight which can only be a good thing!

So far all I've had is a cup of my lemon and ginger tea. Feeling fine although slight tummy rumblings. I was going to stick to two slim fast for ease of calorie counting but I don't have any in the house and feeling lazy to go out!! Kids are out at their cousins so thinking I may just nick one of my sisters ready meals!

Do u think it's realistic to aim for 2lb loss every week?

delilahbelle Mon 13-Aug-12 13:55:00

I am not enjoying fasting today - it was a lot easier in the sun last week. Really quite hungry now, and another cup of tea just won't hit the spot.

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 13:55:51

Fast day %231 for me. First one, have had milky coffee with skimmed milk and 1tsp sugar for breakfast (109 kcal alone! Won't be having that next time) 2 x diet coke, 1glass water, 1 slice of cucumber, 4 cherry tomatoes. I plan to have 1 soft boiled egg, 2 rivita with philidelphia light, 1/4 snack pot of baked beans & a royal gala apple. Should leave me 126 kcal to play with should I need it. Set myself 400 kcal limit but I'm breastfeeding 5 x a day so don't know if I should up it. confused

froot Mon 13-Aug-12 13:59:51

Watched the programme and I am planning on doing this properly having accidentally almost doing it for the past two months and got to a weight I had not seen since 1999! I am 5ft 4 and 10 stone (pigged out on holiday recently....) . Ready made soups are filling and easy - tastiest is Waitrose Lemon Rasam - about 300 cals for a big tub . So I don't want to lose loads but would like to be steady at 9:7 rather than fluctuating 9:12 to 10:2 which is where I usually am at . Am a past successful ww having lost lots am am all in favour of ww but like the health benefits of this 5/2 plan.

froot Mon 13-Aug-12 14:01:23

Oooh bunt that sounds a bit low if you are bf - might not be much goodness in your milk following fast days so baby might keep you up all night- I would urge more cals and maybe check with hv??

2nd day of fasting (last was last Friday). 2 melba toasts for breakfast with 50g ricotta and a tomato and homemade courgette and yellow pepper soup for lunch. 3 cups of black tea and a diet coke. Am embarrassed to admit I'm saving 100 of the 500 calories for a G&T this evening blush

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 14:03:29

Oh yeah BC. Milky coffees are the devil.
But I've just now noticed that you're bf, so milky coffee is good. I think you need to up your calories quite substantially if you're bf - you're keeping two people alive!

Badvoc Mon 13-Aug-12 14:11:41

BC I would do 600 cals as you are bf.
(it's what they recommend for men doing fasting)
I have had so far:
I x cereal bar for 100 cals
1 x apple for 50 cals
1 x cup a soup for 95 cals
1 x milky coffee and will have another so 50 cals for that
Planning an egg salad for dinner.
I reckon that is bang on 500 cals
Not really hungry as such so far....even took the dx to macdonalds and didn't waiver!!

Phacelia Mon 13-Aug-12 14:23:18

I've not started this yet (want to get a house move out the way first!), but I have lost 8 pounds recently, which I'm thrilled with (can't exercise so it's extra hard)

My plan for fasting days at the moment is
Breakfast -Ryvita and boiled egg
Lunch Veggie soup or salad and Ryvita (only 20 cals a slice!)
Tea -Apple
Supper- 100g peal barley, broad beans and either chickpeas or some white fish.

I really want to fill myself up, hence all the ryvita and pearl barley, so I'm spending ages searching for filling but low cal foods. My feast day breakfast will definitely be chocolate chip and banana pancakes; looking forward to those! (don't currently eat chocolate)

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 14:28:40

Sorry saw how awful my post was and meant to say 500 cal not 400. Had baby crawling over ipad. My post should have bern

"Fast day number 1 me. First one, have had:
milky coffee with skimmed milk and 1tsp sugar (109 effing cal, will be having mostly water with little milk or 50/50)
2 x diet coke,
1glass water,
1 slice of cucumber,
4 cherry tomatoes.
I plan to have:
1 soft boiled egg,
2 robots original with philidelphia light
1/4 snack pot of baked beans
1 royal gala apple.

Should leave me 126 kcal out of 500 for any extras (like my men ice lolly wink)

Did consider upping my limit to 600 but I'm desperate to shift 1.5st. I want to see how I go. Planning 2nd fast tomorrow as seeing family rest of week and going on a short break too till next tuesday.

Am bfing 5 x a day still (baby is 9m), she eats breakfast, lunch and dinner.feeds first thing, morning and afternoon nap, bedtime and dream feed.

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 14:29:44

Thought revitalise was 33/36 kcal a slice. Mine is the original crisp bread

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 14:29:57

Ryvita grin

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 14:32:05

Mmm egg salad.

How is everyone feeling? I'm ok, my worst time for munching is when kids in bed and I watch tv, so I'm going to do wiifit instead, or get some jobs done

MrsNouveauRichards Mon 13-Aug-12 15:56:41

I dont feel hungry as such, more that my body needs food iyswim? Feel a bit sugar deprived really. Had some blueberries, not really cut it tbh grin

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 15:58:45

I could quite cheerfully rip an arm off any one of you and throw it on the bbq right now.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Mon 13-Aug-12 16:00:51

I changed my meal plans and had a tub of tzatziki with cucumber, tomato and sugar snaps. Nothing till tomorrow now. I'm not hungry but feeling titchy!! More herbal tea coming up.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 16:04:32

I am on a 'feed' day today.

Egg on toast for breakfast, OJ (bad idea, sooo much sugar!), cup of tea and melon.

The children made macaroni cheese for lunch so I had a small portion of that. And a home made chocolate chip and coconut biscuit, but DD made that so I couldn't really say no...

I've made a low cal/fat/sugar veg soup for supper.

I've already inputted it into MFP so I can't stray.

I find it quite easy to keep within lower calorie/fat intake, but sugar is virtually impossible. I don't add it to tea or cereal (obviously I know that there is sugar in the biscuit) but even without that, I'd exceeded my sugar level on fruit alone long before I'd met my calorie count.

It's so easy to see how sugar is the culprit!

HipHopSkipJumpomous Mon 13-Aug-12 16:13:59

FolkGirl after reading your post I am now chanting slowly "tomorrow, tomorrow" (can't stop thinking of eggs!)

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 16:15:32

lookbehindyou grin

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 16:16:09

I think I'm going to fast monday, Wednesday and Fridays.

FuzzzyDuckosaurus Mon 13-Aug-12 16:17:58

So far, so good for me! I had a boiled egg and 2 breadsticks mid morning, 2 rice cakes and tuna with cucumber and a cup a soup about 1ish and just had 2 small tangerines and cup of tea. Planning salad with either more tuna or cold meat or a boiled egg. Will add cucumber and shredded carrot with a little bit of cheese. Should take me to 520 max but hopfully just under. All logged on mfp so I'm exact. Will keep busy tonight and try get early night so I'm not tempted to snack.

How many cals is everyone having on non fasting days? Should I just aim to eat sensible?

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 16:18:25

BC, aren't you bf? I think twice a week of restricting your calories by say, 10 percent, is enough. 3 days a week of fasting is too much.

Chubfuddler Mon 13-Aug-12 16:23:06

I'm not really hungry but am craving bread, or sugar, or on fact anything. Ate one cherry tomato earlier and it felt like the most indulgent thing ever. hmm

There is a massive box of Chocs in the cupboard I am studiously ignoring.

I'm on my first fast day, and tummy has started rumbling! Role on 7pm for dinner with OH (who's also fasting) got chicken and steamed veg for dinner. It's sad, but this excites me.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 16:27:39

Water is the answer Freud. And room temperature rather than cold. I find that ice cold water on an empty stomach just heightens the hunger and can make me feel a bit sick.

But room temperature water with a slice of lemon works really well.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 16:29:01

Fuzzzy I'm allocated 1200 cals on MFP. I'm aiming to keep within about 1600-1800 initially to see how that works.

Thanks for the tip Folk. now, to find some lemons....

Aboutlastnight Mon 13-Aug-12 16:42:01

DP and I have just started 5:2, eating 500 calories on Mondays and Tuesdays.

We have had an omelette on one slice of toast each for breakfast. Will have some miso soup later tonight.

Bigger challenge is kids picnic in park tomorrow. Friend will be armed with gorgeous home baked birthday cake.

Am wondering if I could have a teensy slice if I fon't have the omelette. By the way the omelette made with butter has kept me pretty full up so far and I have only just started to feel the first distractions of hunger.

BuntCadger Mon 13-Aug-12 16:42:47

lookbehindyou I think it's ok, dd a chubby baby and 9m so eating solids too. I think I have a good (over) supply.

<waves to fuzzzy>

I've been trying to find a list of all the good low calorie meal options. Would it be a good idea to start a thread with them?

So far, I found:
birds eye boil in bag cod in butter sauce 101 calories per bag.

I've just spoke to OH and he said he's having a really bad headache. It's our first fast day, is this to be expected? I've been ok all day, no headache, just tummy rumblings. Any tips to avoid the headaches i can pass on?

MrsNouveauRichards Mon 13-Aug-12 16:48:09

I have just succumbed to a marshmallow blush

To be fair, this is my worst time of day. I have my friend's 2dc here too while she is at a Dr appointment, and this hour has been the slowest of the holidays so far!

Once DH gets home I can go and ride, and it should distract me.

Meal plan has changed, now having turkey breast and salad for dinner, can't decide whether to use my last cals on some quinoa or crutons grin

littlebluechair Mon 13-Aug-12 16:51:22

I think I will give this a whirl for a few weeks, marking my place. I realise I am quite scared of hunger, presumably I have never felt it and therefore don't understand the world won't end.

littlebluechair Mon 13-Aug-12 16:52:57

Oh, and my main motivations are blood sugar-related, mine is close to the diabetes level, I have already started losing weight to address this but was interested in what the Horizon prog showed on health front.

Chubfuddler Mon 13-Aug-12 17:17:36

I'm cracking and having dinner. I usually eat at 7.30.

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 17:28:10

MN should provide a 'horror' emoticon because it's what I'd be using right now after reading that MrsNouveau has eaten a MARSHMALLOW.

Freud, is he drinking enough fluids?

Welcome littlebluechair. It's definitely worth a go. Low carb is also good for people at risk of diabetes.

Chubfuddler Mon 13-Aug-12 17:33:14

That tasted amazing. But then I think I could have eaten a scabby horse tbh.

Where does the 5:2 idea come from - my googling suggests it should be every other day (which I don't like the sound of).

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 17:35:44

5:2 comes from the Horizon program. The link is in this thread near the top.
ADF is a different thing and far too hard core for me.

I think he is, he took a 2L bottle of water to work with him, but he doesn't drink tea or coffee and usually has energy drinks, so i'm wondering if its a lack of caffeine. any one else experience headaches on fast days?

Aboutlastnight Mon 13-Aug-12 17:44:42

Am clearing away the children's leftovers. Fishfingers and chips. Have just had to have very large glass of water

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 17:53:50

I wondered whether it was caffeine withdrawal but didn't think anyone would be mad enough to cut out coffee when fasting.

Shroomee Mon 13-Aug-12 17:54:38

Hi Everyone,

Just watched the very lovely Michael Mosely on I player. I have been piling on the pounds and up til now couldn't really think of a solution I was comfortable with. I am definitely ready to try this out and with so many other people up for the challenge, I might actually succeed! One question though, on the two fasting days, I can have 500 cals each day or 500 cals split between the two fasting days?

froot Mon 13-Aug-12 18:55:32

500 each day shroo.

Cat with - I'm with you on the gin!! (wine lethal tho..)

Asparagus is weirdly filling and grated (or whizzed to chips in a processor) courgette blasted for 30 secs in microwave is a great rice substitute

500 calories each day Shroomee smile

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 18:56:33

Evening all

I seem to have fasted by accident today. I skipped breakfast as I had a dentist appointment and ended up having a massive filling. My mouth is so sore I cannot face eating anything. This is a rather extreme method of fasting not to be recommended. OUCH

phlebas Mon 13-Aug-12 18:56:55

hi Shroomee, for women it is 400-500 calories each fasting day which can be spilt or eaten in one go. Fasting days can be consecutive or split in the week. They also say keep protein below no higher than the RDA which I think is 60g on the fast days - I usually have about 30-40g protein on fast days.

Weigh in today - down again to 94.5kg which is 6kg in 3 weeks so very pleased smile (I'm still doing ADF rather than 5:2 & still having my white coffee wink). I had a huge meal on Saturday night with loads of alcohol, nibbles & pudding too! Fasting again tomorrow.

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 18:58:45

Oh well done phlebas. I'm going on the scales now. <drum roll>

ILoveStripeySocks Mon 13-Aug-12 19:00:06

Drink LOADS of water to avoid headaches!

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 19:01:35

BMI 31.5 Water % = 50%

Both have improved.

Yfandes Mon 13-Aug-12 19:01:41


I've fasted since 9 pm last night. Can I eat after this time tonight, or am I supposed to go until the morning?

froot Mon 13-Aug-12 19:01:48

Butternut squash good for chips - spray with fry light and roast in skin til mushy as mash replacement . Great for soup too. But I am sure I have a bit of an orange tinge from eating it most days !!

phlebas Mon 13-Aug-12 19:02:32

ouch to the tooth jollydiane!

froot Mon 13-Aug-12 19:03:52

Yfandes you don't need to wait - u could have been eating all day u poor thing. It's only a semi-fast really as it is just a reduced calorie intake rather than not eat for a set number of hours. Just don't eat more than 500 cals all day .

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 19:04:23

Yfandes - as far as I can work out you can still eat something the idea is to keep your fasting days to under 500 calories

Yfandes Mon 13-Aug-12 19:06:20

I've had my 500 calories... (met up with family, so had no choice over lunch and had to have a small portion of a high calorie lunch!). I was ok until I ate, now I'm starving! Can I eat tonight or does the fast end in the morning?


jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 19:12:34

If you are starving and feeling a little light headed eat something. Salad leaves and beetroot for example is very low in calories. <whispers> I'm using it as a guide and not to rule my life in the extreme. It has to be something that you can cope with.

ILoveStripeySocks Mon 13-Aug-12 19:27:38

Yfandes, it is meant to be the next morning to get a really good fast (36 hours rather than just 24).

MrsNouveauRichards Mon 13-Aug-12 19:34:18

My salad was amazing, but not enough.
So looking forward to breakfast grin

Just ridden the horse and felt really good afterwards, not wobbly at all. But was desperate for my salad.

So, what is everyone planning for breakfast (literally!)

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 19:49:42

A pint of hot water and then it depends I my mouth stops hurting (earlier visit to the dentist). Porridge I think with half water and half hot milk.

Clumsymum Mon 13-Aug-12 20:03:32

just marking my place.

DH and I started this last week, using consecutive 2 day fasting on Thurs & Fri.

Weighed ourselves on Sunday - he was -5lb, I was minus 2lb, so we're both chuffed so far.

Aboutlastnight Mon 13-Aug-12 20:10:12

DP and i are doing 5:2 as well clumsymum and I am feeling rather peckish right now but am glad to hear you lost weight. I hope we do too.

phlebas Mon 13-Aug-12 20:13:09

fast day for me tomorrow so no breakfast unless I'm feeling crap - a planning to eat at dinnertime & making this www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3985/vegetable-chilli-bowl not sure what I'll have with it, don't really want bread as it is already quite carb heavy.

Badvoc Mon 13-Aug-12 20:13:44

I am planning a breakfast of choc chip muffin and bowl of berries and coffee.
Lunch not sure but poss an omlette and then jacket potato with something nice....
Yum yum

suja1983 Mon 13-Aug-12 20:16:16

Yfandes - I think you're meant to go till morning. That's what I've been doing anyway. grin

Well my eating day is complete.

Toast this lunchtime.
Batchelors cup a soup.
Two birds eye veg fingers.

Do feel empty though in a weird way! Going to now drink loads of water. Have a hot shower. And have an early night.

Went to have a bikini wax today. The lady told me to 'hold my tummy!!!' sad

delilahbelle Mon 13-Aug-12 20:17:14

Well, after fasting all day I ended on 602 calories, due to a stray biscuit i did only have one though. Definitely looking forward to my Alpen and OJ tomorrow morning though.

PinkCustard Mon 13-Aug-12 20:28:57

Well I've survived my 1st Fast day - amazingly once I'd accepted I wasn't having any breakfast, I didn't actually feel hungry! Was out and about all morning and when we got home I didn't feel like lunch. I ate my pasta at 4pm (300 cals) and actually could have gone longer but needed to eat then as going out to exercise class at 6.15pm. I felt totally normal throughout the class. Weird!

FuzzzyDuckosaurus Mon 13-Aug-12 20:34:55

1st fast day done. I ended on 600 which I'm happy with. Have drank about 2 pints of water which is more than I would normally manage.
Just watched the programme, very impressed and spurred me on to give it a go. My dd birthday is in 7 weeks so I'm using that as my aim smile

Hi bunt grin. Still get confused with your new name!

mumofjust1 Mon 13-Aug-12 20:41:34

Hello all - I'm thinking of starting this - can anyone give me a quick run down of what to do and the kind of things you're eating please? smile

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 21:06:13

Hell Mumofjust1. If you read this thread you'll get a pretty good idea and know as much as us!

Had a lovely dinner of spicey prawns on one sweet potato and with a ton of veg.

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 21:06:54

Sorry HELLO mumofjust1 blush

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 21:21:32

Hello mumofjust1

The first thing to do is watch the Horizon programme. He gives you the science behind the 5:2 diet.

Really briefly.
1. By fasting your start to change cells from a 'go go' state (e.g. to keep multiplying) to a 'repair state' e.g. burning fat.

2. Teach yourself that its ok to feel hungry and that hunger comes and goes. It doesn't get worse and worse.

3. Eat for 5 days normally.

4. On 2 days fast which means eating 500 calories

5. Drink loads and loads of water to stop the hunger pains

6. Join this thread and we will help each other wink

7. Share you under 500 recipe ideas (tuts at everyone for not adding their ideas)

LookBehindYou Mon 13-Aug-12 21:22:26

Is there a thread for 500 calorie meals?

jollydiane Mon 13-Aug-12 21:28:06

Yes put your prawn dinner on it here

My husband is really keen to start this but I'm 7 month pregnant so obviously there's no way I can do it.

I might send him over this way for a look.

TheCunningStunt Mon 13-Aug-12 22:05:30

I couldn't eat all my dinner. Not could
Dp who is doing it tooblush we had chicken breast with loads of cabbage and
Cauliflower and onion gravy. Which came to 279cals. I also snuck in a highlights hot choc at 40 to curby sweet tooth. A cup a soup and low cal bread for lunch. Normal day tomorrow.

Definatly splitting meals has helped. My stomach hasn't growled at all today unlike last week. No headache either. It's like my boy is learninggrin

Welcome to newbies. Can I also add the
The changing of cells to repair cells has other fab benefits apart from fat burning. Repairing damaged cells can slow down ageing and can help reduce the risk of certain cancers and other diseases etc(as is my understanding but it's worth a google)

Dosey Mon 13-Aug-12 22:41:23

Hi there well I did my fast from 1pm yesterday until 5pm today when I had homemade curry. I feel fine, in fact I felt more hungry after eating than I did before hand. I watched te programme again today which helped encourage me a little.

I am looking forward to granola for breakfast tomorrow x

wheresmyperry Mon 13-Aug-12 23:06:42

Fasting day almost over... can't wait until breakfast!

Dosey Tue 14-Aug-12 06:41:28

Morning ladies, well I have just had my breakfast after fasting yesterday and it tasted so good. I must say I feel lots better than I did last week after fasting, I woke up feeling dreadful but I only had 80 calories on my fasting day. I made sure I ate tea last night and now I feel fab. I feel full of energy and very healthy.

I am doing my next fasting day on Thursday so I may not be around for a few days.

Good luck to all thought fasting today x

MrsNouveauRichards Tue 14-Aug-12 07:17:03

Woken up not completely starved. Just having a cup of tea, I have an awful taste in my mouth.

But Oh My God, the strange dreams! I had a dream that I was being made to marry Justin 'MrTumble' Fletcher! No wonder I don't feel like food! grin

Can't decide between porridge or toast this morning....

Chubfuddler Tue 14-Aug-12 07:42:46

I've just weighed myself and appear to have lost two pounds. Overnight.

Next fast day is Thursday, going to continue with no wine (sob) and will weigh in Monday.

HipHopSkipJumpomous Tue 14-Aug-12 09:38:01

I did really well fasting yesterday but for the small slice of roast pork I had at about 6.30pm.

I had planned on a normal day today (fasting again tomorrow) but I'm feeling good this morning and am considering fasting again today and getting it over and done with for the week. Hmmmmm?

HappyOrchid Tue 14-Aug-12 09:48:52

First week down, i fasted Wednesday and Thursday last week and went back to 1800 calories per day for the remainder. Have given up alcohol since the beginning of the month. Have only been to the gym twice and have lost.
1lb - Yep ONE measly pound which is exactly what I would have lost just doing normal calorie counting.

Will give it another couple of weeks, but it doesn't seem to suit my metabolism

SpringGoddess Tue 14-Aug-12 10:06:17

Day 1 fasting yesterday. Had a cup of coffee for breakfast and some chilli stew for dinner. Did an hours exercise and felt completely ravenous. Decided this morning that this week it works better if we both fast days together. Feeling hungry now...will go have a liquorice tea and that should tide me over for a couple of hours. Bought some miso soup too - at 17 kcal a cup, its healthy too. I'm still low carbing on my feed & fast days. Planning fish with veggies for dinner. Rest day on the exercise side of things so that should make it a bit easier.