IF, 4:3, 5:2 - Maintaining a healthy weight - Chapter 2

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Breadandwine Sat 13-Apr-13 10:44:21

This thread is for those who have been practicing IF (Intermittent Fasting) for quite a while and are now at or nearing their target healthy weight. It's also for anyone who is doing it for the health benefits alone.

How do we experience fasts and balance a stable food intake while having little or no weight to lose?

How do we ensure that this WOL keeps us at the healthy weight long term rather than revert to yoyo games?

Several of us have been stable at our goal weight for a few months, now, and others are joining all the time. Obviously, the more the merrier! grin

Here is the current main thread for posters practicing IF to lose weight.

There are two other associated threads:
This one, which is an absolute goldmine of Tips and Links on how to practice IF, and the research behind it.

And here is a treasure trove of 5:2 recipes, mostly low calorie for fasting days, but there are also recipes for when you want to treat yourself. And, now we're maintaining, we'll need more of these! grin

Breadandwine Wed 17-Jul-13 15:49:09

ATB - and anyone else who does marathon type exercise - fascinating discussion here about the benefits of being keto-adapted versus a hi-carb diet.

The whole discussion is interesting - but the bit about exercise is around the 50 minute mark.

Apparently, if you're KA, you don't hit the 'wall' and you don't have to worry so much about diet pre-event. smile

Anglaise1 Wed 17-Jul-13 16:24:54

Thanks for that link B&W - I had heard the from friends who run - that they use the KA diet rather than a hi carb diet.

Talkinpeace Wed 17-Jul-13 18:34:45

time for Dines to migrate methinks

PS : I'll draft a new thread in the next day or so

Breadandwine Wed 17-Jul-13 20:50:49

Tip check your inbox! wink

Ooooh never heard of it B&W, thanks for the link - its my "day off" today (both DC in childcare) and I have some work research to be gettin on with (looks like I should be gettin my permit to work within 3months and a green card early next year, thank god!) so I'll play it in the background while booking loads of theatre tickets

You're right mocnk I won't weigh in next Monday, think that's a good idea - though looks like we're going out for dinner Sunday and I'm babysitting Saturday so might have to do a back to back fast Friday and Saturday to fit the 4th one in. My friend doesn't arrive til afternoon Monday so I could either then slot in a 24hr fast or a proper fat day but be sure to keep some calories back for inevitable prosecco that evening! He's leaving first thing following Friday so I can fast then before a big blowout weekend in the mountains with all our single childless friends - we've saved up to pay for an overnight babysitter and will be our first night away (together) from the children since DD was born 20months ago. Dont think I'll weigh in that Monday either for obvious reasons!

Does sound a bit odd Laska, you'd think for someone teaching "mindfulness" she'd have thought to come up and say something sooner!

Sorry I'm waffling, I've kind of given up on the main thread as it moves too fast while I'm asleep - by my 7am its early afternoon in UK and there are so many posts I can't get through them, so hope you all don't mind me using you guys despite officially being in weightloss not maintenance mode

wildwater Thu 18-Jul-13 00:00:22

Hola a todos!

Well, here we are at our destination: a small village in the mountains of Patagonia, just across the border from Chile.

15 yr-old son of LL and myself made the flight together from NZ. Delayed overnight in Auckland, we began our shared journey sharing a double-queen room in the Airport Holiday Inn - woken at 3a.m. to catch the airport shuttle.

The journey itself as uneventful, although LL was amazingly relieved to see us at Buenos Aires airport - he had been unable to get our updated details as he had forgotten to take our flight number!

Buenos Aries was exciting to visit for four days. Much walking around, catching trains, eating different food at weird times and just looking at a huge city simultaneously growing & decaying.

Then it was catching the bus to Bariloche: a double-decker that took over 24 hrs. We arrived in heavy snow, although it didn't feel dreadfully cold.

Now we are comfortably housed at our friend's wonderful, large log cabin. This is a bit of 'time out' where we don't have to do too much or worry about anything!

The next step is finalising our land deal and getting started on buliding a house. That will all take a while. In the meantime we are settling in, catching up with old friends and (for me) deciding which artistic direction to take first.

As for 5:2 (and of course it remains very important) we have been keepiing it up despite everything else going on. Haven't been near scales for ages, but I am sure I have lost another kilo or so...my jeans are looser than ever!

Must go to cook dinner (brown rice & veges) and will check in here again when I can.

Chau for now!

Breadandwine Thu 18-Jul-13 00:44:56

ATB by all means, stick around!

Green card, eh? You won't know yourself. My nephew has just got his after 15 or so years in LA. He got his via a 3 month stretch in LA county jail - where he also got married (through the glass!) - long story, but he's safe now. He gets his unfettered (meaning no breathaliser linked vehicle) driving licence back next month.

Anyway, have a great weekend!

Great to hear from you WW - don't forget the blog!

What an exciting life some of you guys lead!

My biggest excitement, recently, was rescuing the biscuits from the top of the cupboard! grin

Good to hear from you WW

6:30, just finished dinner and stuffed (old faithful miso soup chock full of veg followed by half an apple DS left) and just inputted my calories for today - 310, which means I have room for a small glass of wine with DH later

I am loving fasts this week, makes a real difference not having the children around, I'm not so moody and hunger is slow to arrive due to me not having to prepare food for them constantly!

Talkinpeace Thu 18-Jul-13 10:36:05

Morning all.
Went out for Chinese last night and had singularly failed on fasting earlier this week, but decided to hop on the body fat scales at the gym this morning.
BMI is - as expected 20.5 - body fat is 25.7% which they say is below the ideal. Huh? I can still pinch a handful around my waist. I begin to doubt some of the ideal stats.

Shall start next thread this evening as we seem to run at about 25 posts a day on here

WW that sounds SO exciting.
ATB My cousin finally got her green card after 15 years - her husband works for Microsoft and she had finally got bored of doing her skilled work pro bono!

BsshBossh Thu 18-Jul-13 19:49:48

I had my first negative comment about my weightloss today. It was from an obese cousin so I took her comment to be a reflection of her own weight issues, but still it got on my nerves: "You have thinned down too much, you are looking sick, put on a little bit." It was via Facebook and I ignored.

My Indian cousins are mostly obese or overweight so I think my weightloss has been quite the topic of intrigue, gossip and general conversation over there - none of them have managed to lose weight. Even my overweight mother has suggested I not lose any more weight - yet I'm still BMI 24!

No negative comments from my western friends (normal or over weight). It seems it might be cultural (or at least ref. my own family).

Have any of you had negative comments?

Bssh I haven't had you ARE too thin but the comments of "you're fine now, don't lose more" etc have started...annoying and untrue!

NFD but struggling with appetite and bloating easily so I'm having full fat milk in my coffee with a side of yoghurt covered raisins to up the calories - never thought I'd say that! I'm clearly in a good week motivation wise so just making the most of it

Also, Bssh your cousin's comment is unbelievably rude, sounds a lot like jealousy as opposed to concern. Ignore ignore ignore

Talkinpeace Thu 18-Jul-13 21:03:15

as I said on the big thread,

I only accept such comments from people thinner and fitter than me -
mainly my yoga teachers and a good (incredibly lean) friend from the gym.

thing is the more toned you are, the better you look slim : compare Elle McPherson with Victoria Beckham

Laska42 Thu 18-Jul-13 21:30:40

Bssh ive only had good comments , though I have had a few 'backhanders' when they have seem me eating bread cake etc on eating days also people telling me that fasting just doesn't work long term and im runining my health .. , well each to their own , it worksf or me .. and several people at work persist with lighterlife etc, and yo yo games whilst telling me that they 'just couldnt do what i do as its 'so unhealthy'

Ah well as they say, you can lead a horse to water.... we know so just stick with it girl.. Do you think its cultural? Are Asian (which I now assume you are, but hadn't known before) 'plumper' women generally considered more attractive?

i've not fasted all week.. Actually I dont feel bad about that.. im still the same weight and (have been counting) I haven't eaten more than about 800 /900 cals any day.. I just haven't been that hungry in this lovely weather , and when i have eaten its all been eggs. chicken or or prawns,garden salads or soft fruit .. but i may have drunkabout an extra 300 cals also each day in white [wine).

cats how did the gym induction go? you've inspired me , ive been around 3 leisure centre /clubs tone zones now and am in the process of mulling over whether to go for the one nearest work ( which i get a staff concession on , but the pool is closed until September) or the one nearest home ,which is more expensive but does things like spinning classes , but the pool doesnt have a deep end (oh and is a holiday village so is v bust during the summer with visiting families and kids)

Laska42 Thu 18-Jul-13 21:35:45

Grr I am having real computer problems here on the net ... there seems to be a huge laps between me pointing my mouse and it registering.. its driving me nuts.. Are any of you computer bids ? Could it be because im using Firefox? (ive always preferred it , believing you get less phishing and viruses. ) I think ill have to do a scan and defrag .. any other thoughts? I have fast broadband and windows and mcafee up to date and am not connected to anything else

Talkinpeace Thu 18-Jul-13 22:37:09

I've been having HUGE wifi dip outs today : but I know the reason (thanks DH)

I did an extra mini gym session this evening - as you do - but have been grazing white currants from the garden this evening!

BsshBossh Thu 18-Jul-13 22:38:49

laska not sure if it applies to all middle class Indian circles but in my family and friend circle plump is seen not necessarily as ideal but certainly the norm so normal = status quo = a good thing. Although if you look at images of ideal women in Indian culture they tend to be plump.

Talkinpeace Thu 18-Jul-13 22:42:05

Bsshbossh
that is because in pre "industrial food" days, plump meant successful at providing for ones family
in europe and the US that has worn off, but not yet in the "developing world"
but interestingly now among the people round here (who are over 90% white) thin is upper class and fat is lower class
and it will get more so

I realised than in the US for the last 20 years there have been few middle sized people : they were either thin or fat
the UK is heading the same way

Breadandwine Fri 19-Jul-13 01:10:03

I've been told by well-meaning friends and family over the past 8 months that I'm too thin and I need to put on weight.

I point out all the physical benefits I feel I get from fasting - my increase in energy and feeling of well-being among them. Not to mention my BMI of around 22.

If they persist I tell them to get lost! grin

These last few nights, on NFDs, I've been having the odd pint of cold stout before retiring, knowing that I'll probably have to get up at least once in the night, but figuring it's worth it. Luckily for me this doesn't turn on my hunger switch - but I'm well aware that the slightest nibble will!

Cheers, wine

Anglaise1 Fri 19-Jul-13 06:05:28

Bssh I've had negative comments from my parents, but that is all. However my DD (age 12) and BF have also said I should put on a couple of kilos as I look a bit 'seche' (dry) and I listen to them. Saw a very good friend from the UK recently and she said I looked good but definitely shouldn't lose any more weight. Not that I want to! Often negative comments are jealous comments from people who would love to lost weight themselves, so don't worry.
For your computer, have you tried Microsoft Security Essentials? It is much lighter and just as effective as Mcaffee as an anti virus.

BsshBossh Fri 19-Jul-13 06:31:19

Thanks for your commentsguys. This week I've dropped 3 lbs so two fingers up to the negative people grin.

Off on a week's break to the Suffolk coast today so I will be more flexible about eating and fasting - throwing in a few mini fasts / skipping the odd meal here and there if circumstances permit. Fancy doing a few coastal runs/power walks though so am packing my running gear.

Talkinpeace Fri 19-Jul-13 13:04:35

I've just brought thread 3 live
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/1806567-IF-4-3-5-2-Maintaining-a-healthy-weight-Chapter-3
as we'll need it by the end of today and I'd rather check such things before wine wink

wildwater Sat 20-Jul-13 00:58:43

Hi again from the wilds of Patagonia!

I have spent many frustrating hours trying to get my blog up & running...only to realise it will NEVER work from here unless I get a new Argentine sim-card for my iPad - which is working perfectly well on wi-fi, so I don't really want to go to that expense...(if anybody out there knows another way I am all ears).

Anyway, 5:2 is more important here than anything else I may be doing!

I am finding it no harder to fast here than it was before. I have grown used to not snacking, and feeling empty no longer scares me.

What does scare me is looking at my face on iPad 'face-time' and seeing all my wrinkles, now there is no fat there to fill them out! It feels like Oscar Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Grey"...people used to think I was years younger than I am but no longer, I fear! (And buckets of Botox doesn't appeal.....)

Re people's reaction to (my) significant weight loss. Normal-size people are pleased and delighted. Those who are overweight themselves seem to be extremely confronted...in fact are unable to say one word (this has happened several times).

Although I am only just into my healthy BMI I have had lots of people tell me to lose no more. LL says I should put a 'few' kilos back on! Well - I really don't want to, and hope to go under 60kg. (I remember being shocked when somebody on this forum said categorically that NOBODY under 5'3" should EVER weigh over 60kg, but now think they are probably right).

New eating patterns: no breakfast, as it doesn't get light at the moment until nearly 9am, and the household remains in bed! Possibly a couple of crackers with vegemite and a slice of the local soft cheese...

Lunch might be the main meal of the day...meat or lentils with salad and bread. If we have a big lunch, dinner might be soup, or leftovers from lunch.

People here tend to be lean & healthy and don't eat much 'rubbish'. A good way to follow...although they also swallow a fair amount of dulche de leche (caramelised condensed milk) and throw masses of salt on everything!

Great to be able to check into this forum from here...thanks to you all for sharing ideas & experiences.

wildwater Sat 20-Jul-13 22:25:12

Hi again...have just re-instated my Facebook page (from years ago). Thought I'd never use it again, but now it appears to be the easiest and best way to keep up with lots of people.

I don't want to go entirely 'public', but if any of you out there really want to know what I'm up to - and see some photos - then please go to 'gina blanshard' on facebook and send a request to be my friend! (Don't know if you can identify yourself as a Mumsnet-friend, or not!)

BetsyBell Sun 21-Jul-13 18:19:51

wildwater Thank you for posting on here even though it's probably quite tricky! Very interesting to hear your adventures smile

I just seen some photos of myself from yesterday and I've decided to officially switch over to being a bona fide maintainer grin

Might do a before and after if I can find a suitable 'before' (tended to be camera shy at my largest...)

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