Which recorder to buy for a 6-year-old boy? With nice high quality sound.

(34 Posts)
Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 21:47:20

I have seen on the internet lots of recorders. Does anyone think that Aulos 205 is a very good recorder? www.amazon.co.uk/Aulos-205-Descant-Recorder-Yellow/dp/B000SQC13A

Which recorders you would not buy?
I do not want to buy just any recorder for a beginner because the bad sound might put my son off playing recorders.
I have read that there are recorders with different sounds. How can I know which one is which.
Thank you.

EdithWeston Fri 06-Jan-12 21:50:21

That's a perfectly good one.

If he likes it, upgrade to a wooden one - but I really wouldn't do that until he's a bit older (or perhaps he doesn't lose/break stuff as often as mine do).

DCSsunhill Fri 06-Jan-12 21:52:16

Aulos is the most popular brand with the schools, or the Yamaha 24subuk. To be honest, I would ask the music teacher at school as they are normally asked to buy the same recorder, for tuning purposes.

AllYourCakeAreBelongToXmas Fri 06-Jan-12 21:53:13

I'd buy an Aulos. They're decent recorders, for plastic. I learnt on them, and am currently teaching dd on one, and it sounds really sweet. If you want a really nice school recorder when he gets better, though, try a Moeck Flauto 1 (maple wood body, plastic top joint). Gorgeous mellow sound. But, it's 30-odd quid, so prob a bit much for a complete beginner.

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 21:56:35

Oh, thanks. I have just found a link (I should have looked for it before creating this thread) where it is said that descant recorders are aimed at children because of its small size.
mmdelrosario.hubpages.com/hub/recorder
So, now I know that we need a descant recorder.
I just need to find out which one to buy. If the above is good then I will go for it. I have not seen the wooden ones but I do not want to buy anything expensive at the moment.

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 22:06:43

They are not learning to play music in Y1 yet, so I want to buy it and figure out how to teach him. I have ordered Hornby recorder set from Argos (inc. a book), so hopefully it will help us too. The Hornby one is for my younger son. I need to get two recorders otherwise they will fight.

The reason why I am looking for a recorder is because my DS1 wants a trumpet. He is too young for it yet. I have been advised to start with recorder or flute. I showed him both instruments on youtube and he like a recorder. I prefer the sound of clarinet though smile

EdithWeston Fri 06-Jan-12 22:12:37

I was going to suggest Aulos (or Yamaha) before even opening your link.

You need to avoid gimmicky garish-coloured or brightly painted one's (often found in general toy catalogues) as the quail is variable. Wooden ones are much more expensive, and best to wait to see how well he gets on with it.

It definitely has to be a descant, BTW. If he is keen, then you get the others later. I started with descant and added tenor, and sopranino and treble. Avoid the last two for a beginner as they are in a different key and require different fingering; tenor will probably be too big until the later primary years.

Theas18 Fri 06-Jan-12 22:13:03

I'm a recorder player, the kids are excellent recorder players and we all have a heavy early music interest.

THis:

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-Descant-recorder-Blue-/360399100899?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instruments&hash=item53e975dbe3

and it's mates in different colours (including the boring black/cream) are thought to be the best instruments for the money and easily OK to grade 4-5 or higher. THey are lovely to play and tuning is good and consistent within the instrument and between instruments because the manufacture is very consistent.

I started with Aulos but not they aren't particularly well regarded.

DH teaches music at school and he has a yamaha descant I got from ebay just like this except his was bought from some clever person who has mixed up 3 recorders and so he has a tri colour one LOL

EdithWeston Fri 06-Jan-12 22:14:46

You can get part-sized clarinets these days. If he learns that, then it'll be easy to swap to a sax, which is cool. Best to wait until he has all his front teeth though.

Theas18 Fri 06-Jan-12 22:15:46

Don't get a wooden recorder for a child below at least grade 4 standard. It'll either be rough as anything, or if it is a "proper one" it'll need careful treatment or it'll be rough as anything anyway LOL.

Youngest DD (12) has her own wooden treble but she still has a yamaha plastic descant or borrows a recorder from her teacher.

(Moves away from thread whistling and refusing to even contemplate the amount of £££ we have invested in recorders.......)

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 22:21:42

Yes, clarinet is nice but he has only got two big teeth, so we will wait and see.

I have checked the wooden recorder and it is indeed pricey. This shop sells the musical instruments and you can even listen to them www.thomann.de/gb/moeck_23_sopran_flute.htm

Theas18, you say that Aulos are not well regarded. Are they are worth than Yamaha in your opinion or about the same?

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 22:35:29

Meant to say worse and not worth.

EdithWeston Fri 06-Jan-12 22:37:58

We've got one of each, but the Aulos is a very old hand me down. Our two are about the same, but the old Aulos feels a bit sturdier and has certainly stood the test of time. I don't know if a new Aulos would be the same (bowing to Thea's greater expertise). But for a young beginner, I'd say either is fine.

southeastastra Fri 06-Jan-12 22:45:30

reading this thread makes me think neither of my sons have learnt the recorder sad it's sad in a way, we all played z cars at our school on the recorder grin

i will have to get one for the 10 year old before it's too late!

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 22:45:41

I am trying to find a one piece-recorder. The one from amazon is a three-piece.

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 22:53:16

I find it hard to find Aulos 1-piece recorder. What did you buy?

Here is what Alous manufacturer says:
*Which is best for my classroom, 1 piece, 2 piece, or 3 piece recorders?

One piece recorders are best for beginning players and classroom settings. Why? Because younger players might have a tendency to turn the bodies (the joints) and make changes to the tuning. Older, more accomplished players, and their teachers will appreciate the 2 and 3 piece recorders for playing in ensembles because of the ability to change tuning and gain more precise intonation.*

Lovefruitsandvegs Fri 06-Jan-12 23:24:44
BrigitBigKnickers Sat 07-Jan-12 00:08:13

I am a recorder player (and teacher ) and always recommend the Aulos 205 (the cheaper 303 does not sound as good.) Strange anothe poster said they were not well regarded- I have always found quite the opposite.

I can see that a one piece might be practical for large groups of 5 and 6 year olds but they really don't sound as good.

Avoid Dolmetch like the plague- they have a horrid flat tone and always sound rather out of tune.

My recorder groups are often praised for their tone quality which is partly due to the fact that I go to great pains to teach them the correct breathing technique but also down the instrument.

BrigitBigKnickers Sat 07-Jan-12 00:09:38

PS the other problem with a one piece is that the little finger holes might not be in quite the right place whereas the three piece can be adjusted to suit different length fingers.

Lovefruitsandvegs Sat 07-Jan-12 11:40:57

Thank you BrigitBigKnickers. Your comments are very helpful. I am glad to hear that Aulos 205 is a better recorder than the one-piece. It is easier to find suppliers for the 205.

DeWe Sat 07-Jan-12 18:12:51

For the recorder players:
Dd2 has a lovely wooden recorder built for her to play with one hand. We'd like to get her a proper case to protect it at school, but all the cases seem to be built for the recorder to be taken apart before being put away. Other than the likelihood of her losing part if she takes it apart, it specifically says in the information not to.

Has anyone any idea where were could get a reasonably priced hard case for one?

MustStartExercising Sat 07-Jan-12 22:47:12

Clarinets aren't the same fingering as a sax though.

A Sax is are the same fingering as a descant recorder more or less (and is indeed v cool)

Clarinet is the same is a treble recorder.

BrigitBigKnickers Sun 08-Jan-12 00:23:41

Partly true-the lower register of the clarinet is indeed almost the same as the treble recorder but the middle register is the same as the descant (also a clarinetist)

BrigitBigKnickers Sun 08-Jan-12 00:25:30

Out of interest DeWe - How is it possible to play the recorder with only one hand?

CointreauVersial Sun 08-Jan-12 00:29:46

DD2 uses the one I had as a child - it is 40 years old! It has a lovely tone, and still has my name tape sellotaped to it. <nostalgic>

Lovefruitsandvegs Mon 09-Jan-12 11:52:31

The Aulos recorder has not arrived yet but we have got two Hornby recorder sets from Argos. When the Aulos arrives I will give it to my older DS and I will get his Hornby. Hopefully with the help of Recorder from the Beginning book I will be able to teach all three of us how to play a recorder.

Theas18 Mon 09-Jan-12 13:59:39

DeWe

I don't think you can easily get hard cases made for recorders if the original didn't come with one (if it did then contact the maker for a replacement). It is normal for even descants to be taken apart to put in cases.

Even my low pitch recorder (worth may be £800 shock) lives in one like this

http://www.earlymusicshop.com/product.aspx/en-GB/1002657-ems-9-slot-fleece-lined-recorder-roll-bag-nylon

but it's just a single recorder case.

I have a great bass recorder that lives in a bit of cardboard wrapped inthe old cot duvet because I think I will, eventually make it a case....

You'll have to get a case made by a carpenter/handyman and it'll be heavy if wood so no good for a school kid. I'm thinking I'll ask a coffin maker about my great bass!

Theas18 Mon 09-Jan-12 14:00:11
DeWe Mon 09-Jan-12 17:48:48

The original doesn't come with one.

It basically works with stops and holes. So for the right hand only recorder, blowing with no fingers gives you a G. For notes where you keep the left hand fully on, you just play the notes as normal (low F, E, D, C). For notes where you would have not all the left hand fingers off, you use the stops with your right hand. eg for A you only press the stop down with your 3rd finger.

Dd2's charity has them commissioned for them. There are left hand one too.

I'll see if I can get my dad to make one, I was just hoping there might be an easier (and quicker!) option.
Thanks:

Theas18 Mon 09-Jan-12 20:02:21

I've seen those one handed recorders - they are very clever indeed!

thetasigmamum Wed 01-Feb-12 14:49:43

Theas My husband was moaning about the combined cost of all the recorders just yesterday. grin I think it was the bass that finally pushed him over the edge although it's not as if it was a Kung (just a Mollenhaueur). I mentioned that DD will have to upgrade her descant and especially her treble (which is my first Moeck and which is now......32 years old!) soon or at least after her Grade 7. Since she also needs to upgrade her flute......I'm going to be selling a kidney, I think.

mousymouseprice Wed 01-Feb-12 14:57:41

I second the yamaha ones. I used to work in a shop that sells them (and other recorders) and the plastic yamaha ones were a firm favorite with primary school teachers as they have a good sound, are well tuned and most importantly can go in the dishwasher (gentle cycle) if a yoghurt bursts in the school bag.

edbergayrea Sun 10-Mar-13 17:20:59

I spent a lot of time searching for the best prices. But I still think the best variety and often the best deals are on Amazon: Amazon

MiddleAgeMiddleEngland Tue 12-Mar-13 20:04:00

Don't buy a wooden one for a beginner! The cheap wooden ones just aren't worth it, they're mostly made of soft wood and need far too much looking after.
Yamaha and Aulos are both good in different ways.

Good wooden ones are fine once a child really shows an interest and an ability. Plenty of people take Grade 5 and above on plastic. They can be washed, dropped, left in a hot car or out in the garden overnight and won't mind. Wooden ones are rather precious and new ones have to be "played in" gradually over several weeks.

The Moeck plastic/wooden one is nice although I don't think it has a particularly strong sound.

Recorder buying can get surprisingly expensive - we know someone who paid nearly £1,000 for a descant, and the larger sizes are easily that.

Just wish the recorder didn't get such bad press, it's just as valid an instrument, when played properly, as a violin or piano.

The Saunders Recorders website has lots of recorders as well as down to earth information. What the proprieter doesn't know about recorders isn't worth knowing.

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