Young Voices 2010/11 - CD2 Track 17 - Disgraceful Songs(172 Posts)
My DD came home on Thursday night with a CD containing all the lyrics for the Young Voices Concert taking place this year. One track called 'Pop Medley' contains the most horrendously inappropriate lyrics for young voices, of which there will be 90,000 taking part. The lyrics mention 'guns' 'bad romance', 'taking risks', 'lovers revenge', plus lots of bad boys, bad boys bad boys.....!!!!' The literature that comes with the CD asks parents to help their offspring learn the lyrics - over my dead body.
This track in my humble opinion has to be withdrawn immediately unless of course we wish to remain number two in the world for teenage pregnancies. Have a look for yourself at www.youngvoices.co.uk
I only played the CD once but now my three year old boy is singing the mentionned words. My daughter of course loves it and keeps on singing it too.I dont suppose anyone has Michael Gove's email address? Needless to say my daughter will not be attending. I feel I am going to have to seek legal advice. I have emailed the organisation asking for a recall. When I think of all the beautiful love songs they could be singing and they have chosen cheap 'on trend' trashy lyrics, my heart bleeds.
YABU. They're just pop songs and pretty tame ones.
Surely they're just using songs kids know and enjoy. Not convinced listening to Lady Gaga is really going to increase teenage pregnancy rates.
Do you actually work for Young Voices and are trying to drum up a bit of false controversy/publicity?
We are talking about young children being exposed to things that they should have no knowledge of at this age.
Have you actually looked at the lyrics?
That girl is like something off a poster
That gun is the gun to my holster
Want your bad romance
I want your love and all your lover's revenge
Mumsnetters do we want 90,000 young voices singing this trash - no we dont.
Mumsnet is running a campaign currently to stop the over sexualisation of children are you anti this too?
I do not work for young voices and find your comment hilarious.
I have studied psychology at university but surely any fool can see that this is morally wrong. My beautiful daughter is five years old.
Thank you for your comments you have made me even more determined to get this song banned and believe me I will.
90,000 children... hmm, yet you don't complain about them singing the Michael Jackson tribute, or the song about Santa Claus or being religiously indoctrinated with all the Angels We Have Heard nonsense.
Go on then, how does your psychology at university link singing "Bad Romance" to teenage pregnancy?
Do you never have the radio on in your house?
Yes, I've looked at the lyrics and can identify most of the songs. Lady Gaga, Alexandra Burke etc. etc. Stuff that is on Radio 1 all the time and I imagine is on all the UK kids shows and would be on Top of the Pops if it still existed.
Basically songs that kids are familiar with which means music they enjoy and are familiar with. There was the same moral panic over Cliff Richard being too sexy when I was a kid. And Elvis before that. Trying to link it to teenage pregnancy is laughable.
I don't think OP's talking about hearing the lyrics (eg on radio) but actually learning them (inschool?) and performing them.
But I could be wrong. What exactly us this event?
OP, I agree with you. I would not want my children to hear, learn or even knoow these lyrics. There are lots of beautiful songs for children to sing and there's no need to resort to this slush.
This is one of the reasons I monitor my children's TV viewing and don't listen to Radio 1!
Actually, I complained when my daughter (then 6) had to learn the words to Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics at school. But singing "Some of them want to be abused" is a completely different ball park to this.
Really don't see anything overly objectionable in the lyrics. It's pretty abstract nonsense about the perils of romantic love. Abstract enough to go completely over the head of 5 year olds.
I really wonder whether posters on here remember being at school, the things kids talk about in the playground or listening to pop music.
Did any of that really do you any lasting damage?
I take the stance that mild pop songs like this are better openly heard and discussed at home, that way any sexist or offensive notions can be pointed out and considered.
We seem to be talking about pre-school kids here, but you really can't bubblewrap them forever. Better to instill a bit of critical thinking.
Absolutely right - its the fact that the children have to learn these words and more insultingly we are being asked as parents to teach them. What do I say when Grace asks me what is lover's revenge? OK we cannot stop the radio being on nor do I advocate it but we have to admit that the songs are getting trashier and more pornographic by the minute.
By teaching them the lyrics are we not teaching 90,000 young minds that its ok too 'shag around' basically.
When it comes to radio I am afraid I am a boring as I listen to Smooth, Jazz FM and Radio Two. I also listen to Radio 4 but I actually turn off the news and I don't let my young children watch any news on TV either.
sounds like Carmen has a case of 'it's not good enough for mine but ok for yours'
Hey I agree - it not OK for anyone's child to be exposed to such offensive lyrics.
Half of these children will still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. If we as Mothers don't protect them I ask you who will?
A lot of young girls look like tarts so why not let them sing like them too - it is not good enough. I fully support Mumsnet campaign in this direction.
As a mother of a young 3 year old boy I want better for him.I know so many loving and sweet natured young boys I don't want them singing 'bad boys' because they dont start out like that do they?
I wouldnt want to be a young child today would you - its too confusing. No wonder we have a very high rate of teenage boy suicide.
''Really don't see anything overly objectionable in the lyrics''
I bet if a poll was taken over a cross section of the country 75% would object to primary school children singing these lyrics.
Anyway I am speaking to the founder of the young voices organisation tomorrrow asking him to remove this song and if this fails I am taking legal action.
Word to the wise - you would be much better taking this to the Daily Mail than to mumsnet... we don't really go for the Mary Whitehouse stuff.
Would be interested to know the grounds for legal action?
Maggie, nope. I'd be happy for my children to learn Lady Gaga lyrics.
(In fact one of my dd's wrote the chorus to Bad Romance on one of her pillows )
Probably a symptom of my lax, liberal parenting though. She'll be graffiting police stations next week.
I do find it a tad hysterical (in both meanings of the word) to think that pop music leads to teen suicide or pregnancy though. Legal action. Really?
Really though, when I was a kid we all learned the words to Madonna or Michael Jackson songs and they were probably worse. I remember doing them in assembly.
I neither got pregnant as a teen nor killed myself.
There are parents with very, very short memories or very sheltered lives around this thread.
I am obviously older than you becuase Madonna came out when I was in the sixth form.
I was actually at Elmslie sixth form with one of the founder members of Mumsnet Caroline Longton.
Well well so you sang Madonna songs in school assembly when you were in primary school. Are you sure about this or is your memory failing you. Did your parents also have to teach you all the words? ''Like a virgin'' ''Papa dont preach'' They were very liberal then weren't they.
And did you also have her photo book that was banned on your coffee table at home?
Thank God and my parents then that I had a very sheltered life.
A better objection would be that it's a hideous commercial scheme to extract over-priced ticket money out of parents who can ill afford it but don't want their child to be the ones whose parents didn't go, muttering "sing in it if you want, but I'm not going to encourage them".
Like our children were.
Because it's a hideous, etc, etc. That the music is low-brow crap is neither here nor there: the whole scheme is a shameful piece of low quality avarice on the part of the organisers.
Carmen, you'd probably be happy for them to learn them in the playground but would you really help your 6 yo learn them. Really think that you trying to distinguish Eurythmics lyrics on the grounds of a differing degree of offensiveness is tenuos.
If you were a kid when Cliff Richard was thought of as being too sexy you must be a lot older then me then. About mid 50's then? Cliff Richard is 70!
How can you also have been a kid singing Madonna songs in primary school assemblies then.
Dont tell me you were also a kid when the Rolling Stones came out and everyone said they were shocking too.
I agree with you there are some parents with very very short and somewhat confused memories then.
Your point makes great sense to me. I hadnt thought of this.
I have been through the website with a fine tooth comb and I really think that the organisation means well. Having attended a singing workshop at Findhorn several years ago with Chris James, the feeling of singing with a large crowd is amazing.
How much do the 90,000 children's parents have to fork out then, plus transport tshirts etc etc just before Christmas too.
My goodness you are so right they are charging a whopping £18 per ticket to pimp our kids.
I off to find a calculator.
Tell me please its April Fools Day or this is all a bad dream.
Oh, I don't know RangTang, Wired for Sound was pretty raunchy and that was the Madonna era.
All those tight shorts and roller skates. Obvious homoerotic content.
I happen to remember Mary Whitehouse was still at her finest too.
Funny how she springs to mind, reading this thread
Not really sure on the relevance of all the CV listing and namedropping though. I think there's an implication that my children and I are a bit rough and uncouth.
RangTang I'm completely with you - someone has their timeline seriously mixed up. 6yo singing Eurythmics (usually you sing current pop songs?) - that child must be at least 30 now. And Carmen sang Madonna at assembly?
By all means tell us how liberal and easy going a parent you are and that we have our knickers in a twist over nothing but mind how you mis-speak!!
Is that the same child writing Lady G lyrics on her pillow - poor thing
Where's the mis-speaking? She did indeed sing Eurythmics in assembly a year ago. They were doing some sort of 'time warp' malarkey that also involved Green Day and something from the seventies with tie dyed garb.
Nothing poor about her. And nothing wrong with enjoying a bit of Lady Gaga Although not so keen on the pillow-writing... I'm sure Rang can use her wealth of psychology knowledge to explain how the two are linked.
Yep. We sang Madonna in assembly. A bit of True Blue. "I've had other guys..."
And Bananarama. Weren't the eighties wonderful?
'scuse me, I gotta go rob a liquor store and push over an old lady now. Damn my childhood.
what the heck! just make it up as you go along...
And for parents day, they had a medley from NWA's 'Straight Outta Compton'
Was a right treat.
I might be lying about this bit though.
Regarding legal action and I am hoping that the song can be removed and replaced quickly as turnover for the 4 concerts could be around £1.6 million.
If the Human Rights Act can allow foreign rapists and murderers to stay in this country and Eastern European to illegally squat in other people's homes, I am going to check what human rights our young children are afforded as they to me are more vulnerable and deserving that the above two categories.
I have worked for several years in the legal industry working with the Top 100 law firms so I think I will ask a specialist at Clifford Chance or Eversheds.
I think that there must be something there about rights to a childhood? I will let you know.
Were you a kid when Cliff Richard was deemed too sexy or is this bit just made up too?
I never implied you were rough or uncouth. Anyone who has critical conversations with their preschoolers about sex and doesnt try and bubble wrap them
I never implied that you or your children are rough and uncouth.
We just have very different ideas of our parental responsiblities or how far to bubblewrap our preschoolers from the general lapse and damaged world we have created for them.
"I have worked for several years in the legal industry working with the Top 100 law firms so I think I will ask a specialist at Clifford Chance or Eversheds."
Because they need something to laugh at in the current economic climate.
You are probably right - but what can I do. I am getting the impression that no one gives a damn anyway. Let them all sing the trashy lyrics in their beautiful innocence like little lambs to the slaughter house.
Let us mothers, fathers, nanas and grandparents all pay the £18 to see them do it and try and park at the NEC in the Christmas rush.
In desperation I have had a drawl through the infamously crazy Human Rights Act as to the special 40 plus areas that cover children and their rights to a childhood. Its rather like the clothing campaign that Mumsnet has instigated probably lead to nothing as well.
Surely common sense should prevail here. Its morally and spiritually wrong to have 90,000 children singing about guns, and bad boys or be dressed like mini sluts. Or am I just being an hysterical Mary Whitehouse clone as suggested by Carmen.
Oh well I will save the money for the four tickets. Hey hum every cloud has a silver lining. Word to the wise dont try and raise serious concerns on Mumnset about your children's exposure to harmful things - its a waste of time.
''Because they need something to laugh at in the current economic climate.''
You are right again.
Why would I want spend my money trying to help other people's young children from being made to sing Lady Gaga songs which I am sure are written for adults anyway.
Most of these lawyers probably don't give a flying hoot anyway about our children either. Do you know they charge for each '10 mins' if they go for a sandwich they are charging you.
Thanks Tokyonambu for bringing me to my senses.
"Why would I want spend my money trying to help other people's young children from being made to sing Lady Gaga songs"
The key part of a lawyer's job is the first three letters. If you can think of a law that's being breached, knock yourself out.
Becuase I geniunely care about other people's children I help run a children's toddler group and have just volunteered to go into DD's school to help out once a week. I am also on the PTA for fundraising.
Three years ago I set up a campaign with friends to stop the closure of our local maternity unit which we won in the end.
I can just imagine the backlash from you all calling me a horrid do gooder. I am also a Christian and this is my last posting on the subject.
"Its morally and spiritually wrong to have 90,000 children singing about guns, and bad boys or be dressed like mini sluts. Or am I just being an hysterical Mary Whitehouse clone as suggested by Carmen."
The point isn't that it's wrong or not.
Most things in this society are wrong - we are ruled by exploitation, commercialism, uber-capitalism.
But in the grand scheme of things, having kids sing a few lyrics that they probably already know and that verge on being a bit too adult is not ideal but it's not nearly as serious as you seem to think.
All the 'beautiful little lambs' stuff is just revolting - as they go to school, clubs etc. they're not going to be quite so untainted and if you don't prepare them for the outside world, they and you will be in for a shock.
And please, please drop the name-dropping and weird extraneous information.
When you complained about your daughter singing inappropriate lyrics at her school:-
Actually, I complained when my daughter (then 6) had to learn the words to Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics at school. But singing "Some of them want to be abused" is a completely different ball park to this.
What did the teacher whom you complained to say?
a) The point isn't that it's wrong or not.
Most things in this society are wrong - we are ruled by exploitation, commercialism, uber-capitalism.
b)We suggest using critical thinking as we dont want to bubble wrap up your six year old do we.
c) If you think this is bad next term's project we will all be learning off by heart the lyrics to Bad Romance and the prize is a fluffy pillow and pen set.
Do tell me as I am riveted.
I genuinely loled at c. Brilliant
Actually, they just changed the lyric to 'some of them want to confuse you' which was fair enough.
Do you think that the organisation in question will change their lyrics.
How about instead of
''the girl is the gun to my holster''
''The girls got her finger in the toaster''
As you can see I am no poet - can you think of anything that with rhymes with
bad boys, bad boys, bad boys, bad boys
RT4, it's really straightforward. If you don't like the songs, don't let your child take part. Talk to a few other parents, and get them to withdraw their children (or laugh in your face, but no-one said it would be easy). If that happens, the school will want to talk to you.
But "I am Christian and have met some lawyers"? You only need to write in green ink and the effect is complete.
I don't get it. On what grounds would you take legal action?
I know nothing about Young Voices, but if you are this unhappy, why don't you just withdraw your child from this activity?
Blimey - had best listen to the CD DD1 brought home last Thursday then
She is 10 though and listens and sings along to these songs all the time.
I had balked at the £18.00 tickets though and also having to buy a t-shirt for them to wear!
Did you really attend a Young Voices Concert last year? I am surprised.
''A better objection would be that it's a hideous commercial scheme to extract over-priced ticket money out of parents who can ill afford it but don't want their child to be the ones whose parents didn't go, muttering "sing in it if you want, but I'm not going to encourage them".
Like our children were.
Because it's a hideous, etc, etc. That the music is low-brow crap is neither here nor there: the whole scheme is a shameful piece of low quality avarice on the part of the organisers.^
Its just you sound such a clever dick.
I am surprised someone with your superior level of interlect could not have done your research first - maybe you are just too busy telling us how to do ours.
Best be honest with the kids next time and say honeys we cannot afford it.
I have withdrawn my child from the concert.
I am not taking legal action becuase Tokyonambu wont let me...........!!!!!
"Did you really attend a Young Voices Concert last year? "
No, I didn't. For precisely the reason outlined. I can perfectly well afford £18, but I'm not prepared to pay that, so I didn't. I fetched and carried my children, that's all.
"I am surprised someone with your superior level of interlect could not have done your research first"
I did. I'm not quite clear what gives you the impression I didn't. As I said, my children we the ones whose parents didn't go, muttering "sing in it if you want to, but I don't want to encourage them".
This is my message I have sent to the Director of Music of young voices whom I have been in contact with all day.
I wasn't sure who Alexandra Burke is as I do not as a rule watch the X Factor.
I have just logged on to her official website.
Please tell me that Alexandra is only going to be performing her song bad boys '' in her role'' as you put it and not wearing that outfit with the black pvc bra and see thru milk bottle top mini dress that leaves nothing to the imagination. No wonder you are all so keen to have her back on the show.
You think we were all born yesterday. Put her in one of your white teeshirts and a sensible pair of jeans.
I can now see why you are adding a Redemption Song asking for forgiveness for an error and a few numbers performed by a group of singing angels.
I represent the International Mothers Prayer Group as well as co run a Praise and Play Group for toddlers at my local church. I think we will be organising a coach party to come and visit you to discuss further.
In your YV website you mention that parents have to get up and do the actions - what actions are you planning for Bad Boys - please not my husband stripping off to his underpants while Ms Berk dances around him - in a role of course? With Michael Jackson then do we have to make ridiculous squeaky noises and then stratch our crotches.
Today they announced that 1.8 million girls in this country have anorexia. One fifth with die from it. I have lost a close friend to this. Do you think that pressure from seeing ladies like Cheryl Cole and Alexandra dancing like this might be making them feel a tad bit inadequate?
Have a look also at the Mumsnet Campaign to let Girls be Girls.
"If the Human Rights Act can allow foreign rapists and murderers to stay in this country and Eastern European to illegally squat in other people's homes, "
and the point of that comment was ???
my DS2 will be 7 soon. He loves nothing more after school than coming home and dancing (and singing) along to all the songs on viva.
The King James Bible contains the wellspring of the best of English. Whatever you think of its religious content, its prose is the model for good writing. The Book of Common Prayer should be in the hearts of Christians and Atheists alike, as being some of the greatest poetry in our language. William Tyndall may have been burnt at the stake for his pains, but the publication of a vernacular bible was one of the defining moments of our civilisation. We have to be thankful for the language Christianity has given us.
How sad, then, when Christians with bees in their bonnet sound like the letters page of a failing local paper. On a week that the YTS trainees were given it to sub. On the occasion that, being short of material, they decided to fish something out of the "unpublishable insanity" file.
By the way, assuming International Mothers Prayer Group is an affiliate of Moms In Touch International, as a cursory Google implies, "Moms In Touch International is not a lobbying group, regardless of how worthy the cause. Participation in outside political and social issues must be done solely on an individual basis. Under no circumstances should the MITI name be used in conjunction with outside issues. " seems a bit of a problem, doesn't it?
Get your facts straight Tokyomanbu - Mothers Prayer Group exists - it was set up by two mothers who had been worried for their sons who were involved in gang land drugs - I kid you not.
We pray every week for our children by name and for our school. Its a word of mouth organisation we dont need to bleet about it we just get on with it
I run a group from my own home every thursday morning - come along and see for yourself I have nothing to hide. There are eight of us 'fruitcakes' in total and another two groups in Prestbury and one in Pott Shrigley.
It is run in over two hundred countries worldwide. We are NOT I repeat Not a lobbying group. I was actually joking about the coach trip I wouldnt waste my time - sorry I didnt spell it out by using the funny little smileys that you are so fond of.
Let me guess you are a devout aetheist and work for a newspaper. Well I will light a candle for you in church on sunday - another joke but I will if you would like me too.
Who is Moms in Touch never heard of them. Let me guess its an American dumbed down version of facebook which you belong to?? All full of smug and clever MOMs.
Tell me where did I use the MITI name in my message ??? Come on clever cloggs. Show me in green ink please -
''We have to be thankful for the language Christianity has given us''. What does this mean - the language is a drop in the ocean its the message that it contains that matters for us Christians.
I am sitting in our library - surrounded by his hundreds of classical books and I just dont agree with the comment that the bible has given us the best poetry - King David's psalms I take it, too much nashing and wailing for me from someone who was a murderer but then again who am I to argue with you? Shakespeare yes.
No patronising answers please just the one about MOMs international.
mo ma tat tat
The point is I was wondering if it was possible to stop the 'bad boys song' that the children are going to be singing at the coincert - track 17. I dont like the lyrics they were written for Alexandra Burke X factor finals - I dont want my daughter attempting her dance and sing routine. Call me old fashionned but she is 5.
I cannot imagine for a minute that the organisers would take this bit out so I was wondering if there was an article in the human right act 2000 [ the bit that specifically deals with European children rights) that makes it illegal to exploit our children in this way. i.e. getting them to sing dirty slutty songs.
But dont worry it doesn't apply to your DS2 son becuase ''he will be 7 soon. He loves nothing more after school than coming home and dancing (and singing) along to all the songs on viva.''
Is anyone out there familiar with 'the man on the clapman omnibus test' for reasonableness?
I went around singing the Grease songs when I was a kid.
It was only a few years ago that I realised just what they were actually saying and what it all meant
didn't do me any harm <<<<<<shakes>>>>>
Rangatang4 I didn't know people like you really existed!
I agree in theory but can't reconcile your Christian credentials with the level of anger and vitriol you've aimed at other posters.
Are you for real?
The name dropping is beyond cringeworthy so may I be the first to say it...cough troll cough
Does that mean that I have made it through to the knock out round then?
Of course I am not for real. None of us are look at all our daft names and the times we are emailing at.
I've probably got a bad case of insomnia?
This is not real, is it? Please someone tell me that people like this do not really exist.
Thninking back to my childhood there were a fair few songs that were deemed inappropriate and even banned from Radio 1 airplay - Frankie Goes To Hollywood springs to mind. I used to sing along with it, completely oblivious to the controversy and the meaning behind the words. Thankfully it did not turn me into a teenage mum who stole from grannies while smoking crack.
There are a few songs that I censor - the current Eminem that plays down Domestic violence, one charming song called "Fuck You" that the
French radio stations are fond of.
A "bad boy" to my 8yo and 6yo dc is ine who does not finish his homework or is cheeky to his mother.
Take a look at Ms Burke on her official website on the X factor - singing along to bad boys. Did anyone's dd or ds watch this final - mine didn't fortunately.
Ms Burke is performing 'this very song' at the YV concert. She performed in the last two years.
Remind me is X Factor before or after the nine oclock watershed?
A couple of years ago there was an outcry from a mother who said that the Pussycat Dolls Concert was too raunchy for her 8 years old DD. They were both dressed up Mum like an aged pussycat doll and daughter an 8 year old as a mini pussycat doll.
Yep this woman really does exist. In fact I will find the article for you.
Re: Frankie goes to Hollywood - I had the teeshirt that said RELAX on it. I was 17 and I know exactly what the words meant - I was at a mixed sixth form and the boys made sure we all knew.
RT4 presumably thinks she's a Christian, although the general manner of her bile directed at others means few of us would recognise her as one. Still, she can presumably find her way around a bible, so I shall refer her to Matthew 7, verses 1 to 3, and leave her to making Christianity look bad.
Meets in over 200 countries worldwide, which is impressive given there are only 192 members of the UN, but the branches that spring to mind are two villages outside Macclesfield? How odd.
Sorry my mistake it only 80 countries.
Launched in England in 1995.
P.O box 416
I was warned about Mumsnet. Its best just to have a laugh at the witty postings and not get sucked in.
I have laughed so much but now I am wondering was it worth it.
"Wonderful answers to prayer include the following .
A son made a phone call home, a son-in-law got a job, a daughter and partner getting married after 5 years engagement, improved health for a daughter, a friend's son has decided on a college course after two years of indecision. (All from one Group)"
I keep reading that link as Mother Sprayers. Which is weird.
"I have laughed so much but now I am wondering was it worth it"
We have been praying for a woman whom is in a coma and has not yet seen her baby.
Plus a boy with a brain tumour which is giving him fits.
'RT4 presumably thinks she's a Christian.'
I thought I was but go on then tell me I am not. Only God knows that.
Judge not lest ye be judges and all that?
"Let me guess you are a devout aetheist and work for a newspaper. Well I will light a candle for you in church on sunday - another joke but I will if you would like me too"
Are you children going this year to the YV concert just out of interest?
I am totally fed up with her being so nasty to me.
This isnt about the bloody concert is it its all about bringing me down to size becuase I pissed you all off for being a name dropper.( cough troll cough etc etc)
Is there a dadsnet - I doubt it, men are not as stupid as us.
Report me and lets see what happens shall we.
"Is anyone out there familiar with 'the man on the clapman omnibus test' for reasonableness"
If you look at the replies you've had on this thread, you'll get a fair idea of what the man on the clapham omnibus might think...
Oh do behave.
You are now actively baiting tokyo; Not particularly Christian is it? Although I guess that "turn the other cheek" isn't quite as satisfying as "an eye for an eye" is it?
There is a Dadsnet - I don't go over there much because they're men and therefor their inteeligence far outweighs mine. I don't think I'd understand their posts TBH.
My grandad once had Tom Jones do an act in the club that he workedat, this was years ago, before he was famous and because of this I happen to be the Queen of the Internet.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
I once dated the son of a famous west indian cricket captain. He was gorgeous.
Oh well as they say its the hand that rocks the cradle no wonder we are in such a mess.
I am sure Les wouldnt have had his children singing dodgy song lyrics he was a gentlemen - he was going to come along and sing at my parents silver wedding - but my mum thought he was too course so she divorsed him.....!!!
Rang Tang - you are coming over as a bit of a loon , which is a shame, because I think your basic point is a good one. It's fair enough that kids will learn these sort of songs in the playground, and that projects aimed at older children might include them because of familiarity / engaging etc, but if an organised music project was teaching these sorts of songs to my 5 year old, I would remove her from the project and complain.
I rock the cradle to a bit of Lady Gaga, so I agree, that the future is looking bleak.
I once met Billy Connolley and he told me about a woman he had met who had been pierced down there. He said following her to the dance floor she sounded like she had a pocketful of loose change.
If you have used (or at least lurked) on MN for a while then I am surprised that you did not get the impression that there would be little support for this OP. Aside from the smug little namedrops, you do come across as terribly ernest.
While it is admirable that you feel strongly about this issue, and wish to alert others to the perceived dangers, you must see that not everyone is going to agree with you. And that references to teenage pregnancies etc. only weaken your argument.
If you had posted, "DD came home with this CD and I am concerned about the language, and the sexual references. What can I do about it? Does anyone feel the same way?", the responses would have been very different.
And I ROFLed at Pott Shrigly too, btw.
Michael Ball went to my school and DH knew Ben Miller slightly at university. Despite this I know of no links between teenage pregnancy rates and pop lyrics.
Thanks I will think about this for next time.
I came home didnt bother telling my husband becuase he would just say get a job and then you would have something better to fill your time with.
I was in a rage about the lyrics,next time I will just tell my mothers prayer group.
Enjoy the concert if you go.
ps what does this mean
And I ROFLed at Pott Shrigley too?''
What the heck i will go to the concert - I will be wearing the 'dont pimp my boy - he is not bad it is I who is mad'' teeshirt -
spot me off a mile but I wont bring my daughter. DH can look after the children it will be a night out.
"If the Human Rights Act can allow foreign rapists and murderers to stay in this country and Eastern European to illegally squat in other people's homes, I am going to check what human rights our young children are afforded as they to me are more vulnerable and deserving that the above two categories."
It's funny how you've "worked for several years in the legal industry working with the Top 100 law firms", yet it seemed to have passed you by that squatting is not actually illegal.
"Is there a dadsnet - I doubt it, men are not as stupid as us"
know your limits
You have really stretched your brain cell with a name like yours.
No wonder 80% prefer to work for a man.
Like the rest of us I cannot for the life of me see why squatting is illegal.
That poor woman who cannot get in her house.
I suppose you are going to tell me turn the other cheek. What about the nasty money lenders in his Father's house - did he turn the other cheek like hell he did.
whoops that should say legal.
"I suppose you are going to tell me turn the other cheek. What about the nasty money lenders in his Father's house - did he turn the other cheek like hell he did."
Indeed. Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15 and whatever it is in Luke do indeed refer to violence by Jesus - the only such incident in the New Testament. Do you think that indicates that Jesus is showing that violence as a means to deal with problems is universally acceptable, or is it perhaps more a sign that exceptional situations (the profanation of a temple) require exceptional responses? Or is it perhaps a story that shows that in the face of grave provocation, even Jesus was unable to be peaceful, and that sometimes we have to be strong to resist the temptation to violence, a strength that here Jesus could not show?
It certainly isn't, I would suggest, a universal lesson in how violence leads to good outcomes. And for that one story, there are endless stories that show precisely the opposite. In the case of squatting, I would point to Luke 6:27-31 - as you appear to have some problems with using chapter and verse references, I'll provide the text:
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."
Now, perhaps you could explain to me, in your own time, why as a Christian you think that squatting is not precisely covered in the imprecation "If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.". Whilst you're complaining about how evil squatting is (especially by foreigners, for some reason, which means you presumably haven't read Luke 10:25-37), could you tell me how you square that with Jesus's teaching?
''It's funny how you've "worked for several years in the legal industry working with the Top 100 law firms", yet it seemed to have passed you by that squatting is not actually illegal.''
There are other (better paid)jobs in the legal industry.
I wasn't a lawyer I was an Associate Director in an software development company thats how I came to meet Noddy and Ken.
<crosses fingers for Noddy Holder>
and which Ken?
<crosses fingers for Ken Barlow>
I think you should go to the concert dressed like this:
not a loon at all
Bramshott you said it better than I could. I actually supported the original premise but things have descended into the comical.
Rang - get a grip.
I think basically that Jesus was so mad with the way those people were treating his Father's divine house that he just let them have it.
Just like God let us have it in the old testament time and time again. Noah being a prime example.
It was an isolated incidence you are right.
Jesus was the most perfect human being - I sadly am not I am a sinner and I know this.
So what you're trying to say is that your mention of your profession was completely irrelevant to your earlier point that you were attempting to support with it anyway. I see.
Forget all that, who are Noddy and Ken?
Is it like Noddy and BigEars? Because my uncle used to go out drinking with them and he said that Noddy was a bit of a gambler and BigEars had to bail him out a couple of times, which casued some resentment obviously.
Ken is, of course, from Ken and Barbie.
Barbie is upset she hadn't had a mention too, although she's a bit 'flighty' if you knnow what I mean
Did I ever tell you about the time I asked for a Barbie for Christmas? I wanted the one with the pink princess dress and you could change her outfit by pulling off the bottom bit of her dress, and instead I got Disco HOOKER Barbie who was wearing gold lame SLACKS and some kind of boob tube affair and had bits of copper in her hair. COPPER WIRE.
Are you reading this mother, you destroyed my DREAMS.
No definitely Ken Dodd and Noddy Holder.
My aunt wanted me to say 'titti falarious' to Ken but I hadnt had my drink by this time.Just the one mind you to steady the nerves.
I wish I had but he had that face that said 'dont bother me I am relaxing' so I just kept grinning at him and eventually he moved away.
There I said it for you.
I once had lunch alongside Michael Flatterly at La Mer in Barbados - god it was awful all these bloody stars getting in the way. It was 90c and Cilla was wearing tight black leather trousers. We all got food posioning and I told my boyfriend now DH at the time never to take me to the place again.
I always preferred action men ShirleyKnot, those swivelling eyes and gripping hands.
I blame them for my taste in men
what all smooth down there?
Isn't Pott Shrigley the next parish to Notty Ash?
Michael Flatley once danced on the bonnet of my cousin's car. Of course, this was before he became famous as a light footed Irish hero. Back then he was attending night school re=taking his O Level in Sociology. He drank too much orange squash on the night in question, and re-created the famous "Good Morning" dance sequence from Singing In The Rain in the car park; jumping on my cousin's Ford Fiesta as a finale.
She never forgave him even though he t-cutted out most of the damage.
Thats what I have done - complained and then withdrawn my kids.
But sadly I thought I could actually contact YV myself without having to set up a campaign or petitions etc.
The guy who I have been conversing with is really nice and I think I will apologise to him. I still think the words are not age apprpriate. My first letter was very polite.
''X Factor is before the watershed.
Half the time, I don't know what you're going on about.
If you're writing an official letter to someone, then you don't include 'jokes' about taking coach parties of mothers to complain.''
I wouldnt normally but I had very good reasons to.
"If you're writing an official letter to someone, then you don't include 'jokes' about taking coach parties of mothers to complain.''
I wouldnt normally but I had very good reasons to."
you're thinking of Crinkley Bottom I think tokyonambu
I will wear the 'not a loon tshirt' if you promise to wear one saying Dolly Twat.
I will wear it with pride RangTang4 as long as I can stand next to you
can AnyFucker can come as well?
Hey would you really did this for me girls... Fantastic!!
can you wear yours tokyonambu or are you just going to drop off muttering to yourself like last year.
If this is the case would you mind wearing billboard saying 'Satin Has Won'
sorry too pure to even spell the word Satan..
I've got a pair of Satin shoes
I was thinking it might be a misspelling of "Stain", and refer to poor laundry practices.
I laughed at Pott Shrigley cause it was funny.
Because Pott Shrigley is not exactly the centre of the world.
It was like seeing a sign for an upmarket beauty salon:
Paris, London, Berlin, New York, Pott Shrigly.
so, where are we off to RangTang4 in our Satin t-shirts? Do we need to bring our own pitchforks or will you be providing them?
Bring em Shirl perfect for Golden Oldies medley.
tokyonambu - anything black in your wardrobe even better and can you goth it up a bit too.
Its quite near all hallows festival.
Would you also mind running across the stage when Thriller comes on. Can you moondance or am I asking too much of you.
Dont worry about the pitch forks DT - Tesco usually does a 3 for 2 if you arent fussy about the colours.
Who do you think I am? Jarvis Cocker?
My bosses ex girlfriend met him in a kebab shop once, he ordered a doner, the dirty swine.
Pott Shrigley does have a famous celebrity - so famous that I cannot remember his name.
He is 'Wilmslow Orange' in colour and presents that antique show where you have to guess the amount.
Are you going to join us too in your hot air balloon?
Sadly, Richard asked for his hot air balloon back so we may have to travel over in the Bentley. Such a drag.
I once saw Harry Enfield going into a wine merchants in Chipping Campden. He was with a tall blonde who looked unhappy - I think this was Lily Allen's Mum. Boyfriend didnt believe me so I went down a one way street by accident to prove him wrong. Harry looked at me and then gave boyfriend a knowing wink.
I may have been the inspiration behind 'know your limits'. Same boyfriend insisted I drove around Bolsena Lake, I pleaded no but he insisted that it was my turn to drive.
Anyway I drove the car into a fish wagon as I havent any spatial awareness. He had to climb out on my side. I think he got the message loud and clear. He had to pay for the damage - I told him red cars were bloody unlucky. I have the pictures to prove it - I will bring them along onthe night.
I will not reveal myself - it could be your husband.
Why am I so mad about the Bad Boys track.
''To answer your question NOT ONE teacher has objected or even commented''
Is it time girls to unleash the lawyers or can we think of a cheap option so we can go out for a few beers after the concert...
I feel sure that lots of teachers will be complaining.
Man on the Clapham Omnibus said 'yes' so we have transport & costumes.
T can you bring your dog collar too?
Wonders if she knows any of the OP's friends? Pott Shrigley & Prestbury are both nice little villages bu the way,very posh though. Nice arts centre nearby at Bollington.
I am actually surprised if this is the case that Young Voices have chosen these songs. They are a reputable organisation that I have a regard for. MOst of the school sin the area re church schools so I am surprised if so.
Will look into this further, maybe ask a few of my student's parents if their children are involved.
Well I still haven't listened to the CD but shall be going to the Sheffield one on the Thursday - will look out for all of you wearing these T Shirts .
I'm wearing one which says "Jesus loves you, I think you're SILLY"
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Nuttier than squirrel shit
I'm going to wear 'Satin has won'
and cuddle OP's daughter who is distraught at not doing her singing
I sang at the Royal Festival Hall once as part of the choir.
We sang songs about "Big Tex" sitting high in his saddle as he rides among the plains (WHICCH I THINK IS DISGUSTING ACTUALLY)
and I had to play 4 bars SOLO on the recorder.
There were no video recorders back then and I have no evidence that this ever happened.
But it did.
I was on Highway once. With Harry Secombe. On a train.
Lol at the fact people thought /I/ was making stuff up on this thread.
Not you, Shirley. I believe you.
Although the story would have been better if you were playing a snippet of Bring your Daughter To The Slaughter.
First stop on the Clapham Omnibus will be........Rooney Towers.
To pick up bad boys clothes which have been scattered in the wind...
Got slapped on the head by music teacher and told only way to stay in the choir was to mime. I cannot hear 'In an English Country Garden'ever again.
PS dropping Mummy off at Chipping Campden early next saturday morning. Any suggestions how to fill 10 hours - she is 70. She loves to faff.
Might I suggest 'Baby When you've Gone'by Bryan Adams and Mel C as a replacement love song.
I am sure we could find a music teacher willing to swop to electric guitar.
And please the whole version.
Thanks Richard M
Thats as in Richard and Judy. Love him.
Call me, via Rev John B from St Christophers
Peace be with you.
As a mum of 3 children (4,6 and 7) and a teacher too, it really saddens me to read all the comments above. I am in charge of the choir at our school and we are taking part in the Young Voices concerts this year. My child is in my choir and we are loving the pop medley. I think that it is easy to read too much into things and be over protective, they're just songs to the kids, they're just words. I think that people need to calm down a bit and worry about something more important. I wish that this was all I had to worry about. Get a life.
I do take your point. I have now sat in the choir practice and sang the song through.
I still feel that the language is uncouth and that we are underselling our children.
My main objections are the ref to 'gun' and
bad boys. I just think young children have got their whole lives to discover the good and bad in life.
Only words 'yes' but do they have an impact 'yes' also. They are de-sensitizing our young minds. We have one or two autistic children in our school who love to sing - Thriller may also be difficult to sing as one girl in particular finds it hard to calm down anyway..
Poor choice of song by poor 'role models'.
The rest is totally FAB.
I can not wait to take my children to young voices and watch they faces light up as they sing ALL of these songs.They love to sing and they especially love to sing the current pop songs. Somehow I don't think these songs will make them have a teenage pregnancy, commit gun crime, have constant 'bad romances' with 'bad boys' causing them to take 'a lovers revenge' and if people never took risks, well. we would live in a pretty boring world.
Get over yourselves its a bit of fun. the world today is too concerned with health and safety and protecting.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion but please don't ruin it for others.
Sorry if highlighting my concerns regarding inappropriate lyrics has in anyway spoilt your fun night out.
We are a joke in the rest of Europe.
Oh dear.....I am a bad mother..... I love the fact she is singing songs I love listening to......anyway she teaches herself the most inappropriate songs about riding on disco sticks (she thinks it means a glow in the dark stick) and wanting to be a billionaire so fricking bad. These words are only inappropriate in our adult minds not in our children's minds. The positive of this amazing experience far outweigh the negative. It is expensive but I am doing without a Christmas prsent as watching dd in this will fill me with more joy than a naff gift! My dd does freestyle dancing and dances to all these songs too! Better get knitting if this means I am going to be a grandma soon x
I cannot believe the amount of upset and trauma I have caused across the board on this topic.
I know that the concert is fantastic value for money and that everyone has a good night out.
My only concern was that the lyrics are inappropriate. If we want our children writhing around a la Alexandra Burke or Lady Gaga that's very much an individual choice per adult (usually a Mother's).
I personally do not want my daughter or son exposed to this side of life whilst at primary a school. Yep I know that the majority of schoolchildren are exposed to this in the playground and on the radio/television.
This is my individual right and choice. My daughter will not be attending the concert for this reason.
I have written to my MP and the Prime Minister as I feel that this new government is serious about the Big Society whereby we try and help improve society as a whole for the good of everyone.
The next time a child is shot I do not want to think that I did nothing. What I mean is the Lady Gaga singing 'I've got a gun in my holster'' to me glamorises the ownership guns. If the cool Lady Gaga can sing about 'guns' it must be OK to have them.
We have 90,000+ children learning and singing about such songs and sex so what is the knock on effect???
I will leave you with this one to ponder.
Have a nice weekend.
Call me old fashioned but I do not want my daughter attempting the above dance routine.
She is gyrating around copying the older girls as it is. I think its disgusting especially as she doesnt have a clue what she is doing which to me makes it worse and I want to protect her.
No wonder we have the unhappiest children in the whole of Europe. Probably too confused by too many mixed messages - growing up too fast.
Each to his or her own I guess.
My daughter is extremely happy and well rounded....she is confident, sensible, thoughtful and kind. We talk openly about life and she feels happy asking questions. We do NOT shield her from everything as we feel this will only lead to interest and intrigue!
AND I WILL BE VERY VERY UPSET (AS WOULD SHE BE) IF SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO TAKE PART IN THIS EXPERIENCE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE DOESNT LIKE IT.
I DANCED TO MADONNA AND FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD AND I AM NOT DISTURBED OR AFFECTED!!!
PERHAPS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS BANNING UNDER 18S FROM FACEBOOK WHICH IS MORE DAMAGING THAN A CHILD SINGING IN A CONCERT!
She sounds lovely girl and I have listen to and sat inon the concert practice - its 99% beautiful music. I just do not think lyrics such as guns and bad boys/bad romance should be in. I do not let my 6 and 4 year old watch the X factor now. I think some of the dancing is Xrated. Do you agree? Its now got to the point of toxicity. Cheryl Cole last week what was she wearing or not wearing - she is a beautiful woman, someone needs to tell her she doesnt need to dress like a tart to get a new man. Sadly she is a role model for our dauhgters.
I totally agree that facebook should be banned for under 18's. I am thinking of banning myself as it is so easy to get sucked into this virtual world of fun. I have a business/home and two children to run/look after. I will support your campaign without a doubt.
I have emailed both the founder and the creative director of Young Voices on many occasions now trying to get the above words removed or changed to no avail. They have done it in the past.I am in contact with my MP to see if he can use his clout to have it changed.
THE LAST THING I WANT IS TO GET THE CONCERT STOPPED - it is fantastic. I would dearly love to be there myself.
The headmaster of our school has also complained about these words when another mother complained.
i just think there are worse things out there to be worrying about.....like who the hell it is who keeps passing round nits, whether my dd can cross the road safely and whether there will be a cure for cancer by the time she is older.
BANNING MY DD FROM WATCHING X FACTOR.....NOW THAT WOULD BE CRUEL....SHE LOVES IT!!!!
SHIELDING MY DD FROM ALL INFLUENCES WOULD WORRY ME.....HOW WOULD SHE DEAL WITH THESE THINGS THEN WHEN SHE IS A TEENAGER AND OUT OF MY REACH IF SHE HAS HAD NO EXPERIENCE OF THEM!
SORRY I LIKE CAPS!!!!
Dear Sparkly Cheery Mummy,
You may well be right.
I was worried about it on 26th September well more livid. I HAVE CALMED DOWN SOMEWHAT AND PERHAPS I DID OVERREACT. Read all 161 messages and see if you really think I am being unreasonable.
My new tshirt read - 'I am addicted to autumn' its a long sleeved snoopy one so I may see you at the NEC?
NO worries...... I do agree its seems inappropriate if they were sat in class writing them out and learning the meaning but less serious when singing for fun in a leisure activity......it scares me how many songs she picks up just in the car or on the radio at home!!!! We are going to the Manchester one x
I love the pop medley best if I was to admit it, its just some of the words do not feel right coming from young mouths.
I have sat my daughter down and told her that I do not like her singing 'bad boys' and exactly why in gentle terms. I have said that they are not kind words and that the singer who sings them is having a little joke like when we went to see a pantomine. My daughter is six in January.
I havent mentionned the 'guns in the holster' as she hasnt picked it up as yet. As she is not in the concert I have not taught her the words as requested in the lyric sheet.
I have emailed the founder on a few occasions and I have been so disappointed with his responses. He has basically called me crazy for questionning his judgement and trying to spoil his concert. I have merely asked for the removal of a few words. Fortunately our headmaster has also complained as well as a couple of other mothers. Anyway it will be interesting to see what our MP has to say I feel sure he will be with me although we do not suffer much gun crime in this part of Cheshire. Not yet heard back from Michael Gove. I will put it in writing as the email may not have reached him.
Best wishes and I am thinking of going to the concert anyway just out of interest. Hey I may even get asked to leave for complaining............
My daughter has been involved with young voices for two years now. I have no objection to her participating, it's helped boost her confidence and she loves the whole process.
The lyrics maybe slightly risqué but a child of that age doesn't understand what it means anyway, plus there subjected to this content daily on TV, or even at the local youth clubs/groups they may attend.Eventually they are probably going to love this kind of music anyway, why delay the inevitable.
Both my six year old and 8 year old own multiple CD'S including the likes of Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Chipmunk...i really don't see what the problem is here, someone care to enlighten me?
What age do you think children understand lyrics of pop songs is a tough question.
I am too tired and frankly bored to rehearse all my previous arguments suffice to say that I have a slight problem with a tiny proportion of the lyrics as described above.
I am off to have a hot bath.
imo.....all you did as stated above was draw her attention to them!
We were in a shop today when songs were blasting out that in theory were no appropriate !!! These songs are everywhere!!!!
They might be everywhere but do we have to teach 90 children the words - surely there are more appropriate pop songs that do not use the word ' gun' and 'bad boys'.
In Britain, we are in a mess are children are the most unhappy in Europe and we as mothers in my view need to act to stop it. One in five children self harm. Are they being forced to grow up too quickly?
We are acting to change the clothes that little girls wear e.g. bras at six etc and slutty outfits why not the words of songs.
I am sure that they do not notice the words of the radio but seeing Alexandra Burke or Lady Gaga writhing around in next to nothing must have some effect on a sub concscious level. Lets see what my MP, The Prime Minister, and the children's Minister have to say.
Young voices is not for five year olds!!!!!
Have your school been before? I can't imagine a five year old being able to cope with the physically demanding nature of the day. Our year sixes are exhausted by the end of it. I'm really surprised that young voices would let five year olds take part. Please be more concerned about whether your five year old will still be awake by the time track 17 is sung in the concert. It can't be an enjoyable or positive e xperience for a five year old. Are The five year olds taking part or watching on the night?
To be fair, we have a heck of a journey to get there so maybe that is colouring my view a bit.
I've read the whole thread now and am quite impressed with the comedy nature of this wind up, tis really quite amusing, well done op!
yeh perhaps it is a wind up but nonetheless a good one!
just go to a young voices concert love and see, it is fabulous see all them kids singing together. We are not breaking down the song and teaching the children what the words mean. They are popular songs that they all know anyway and get a change to sing with thousands of other children. If you don't want your child doing it then don't let them, there are hundreds of other school that would love to be involved in their place.
How Lady Gaga increases teenage pregnancies is beyond me since she has publicly stated that she is celibate and encourages her fans to be too.
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