So, this extra money for the NHS........

(64 Posts)
BertrandRussell Sun 16-Oct-16 22:21:26

........that isn't going to happen. Can someone explain it to me? It's not just the bus, by the way- it's this as well. Sorry about the distasteful Gove pic......

Marmitelover55 Sun 16-Oct-16 22:23:00

I'm hoping that the truth will be out there by March next year and therefore brexit will be cancelled....

IAmNotTheMessiah Sun 16-Oct-16 23:01:06

What does Boris owe?

Cailleach1 Mon 17-Oct-16 00:10:39

have they cut the vat on household energy bills yet? UKIP'S one MP said that was an issue for him. Even though he had only every voted for a raise in VAT in his past.

mollie123 Mon 17-Oct-16 13:40:12

sigh
we do not have the £350 million a week give or take the rebate BECAUSE WE ARE STILL PAYING THIS TO THE EU BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT LEFT YET (sorry for shouting but this lack of understanding is getting to me)
to quote from the 2016 EU referendum voting guide published by the Electoral commission (sadly I still have mine)
If we vote Leave we will stop sending £350 million of our money to Brussels every week and instead spend it on our priorities Like the NHS
the bus left off the important words and truthfully most people could do the sums and not take the statement on the bus at face value.hmm

Lottapianos Mon 17-Oct-16 13:45:01

'I'm hoping that the truth will be out there by March next year and therefore brexit will be cancelled....'

Same here Marmite.

missyB1 Mon 17-Oct-16 13:45:20

Mollie makes a good point that Brexit hasn't actually happened yet. But whether we end up with a spare £350 million or not I doubt very much that this particular Government would choose to spend it on the NHS unfortunately!

IAmNotTheMessiah Mon 17-Oct-16 14:00:39

Given that we're going to be up to £66 Billion worse off, per year, I suspect that the NHS is more likely to be facing cuts...

steppemum Mon 17-Oct-16 14:01:22

It never existed.
Radio 4 has a program called more or less which unpicks numbers in the news. During the campaign they unpicked this one.
I am actually shock that anyone still believed this rubbish by the time we came to vote.
The figures go somehting like this:
£350 in
but we get a rebate, so immediately £150 is paid back (well, we never actually pay the difference)
our businesses get subsidies from the EU. So either our government has to find the equivalent of this money, or our businesses loose out by this monely. Business subsidies eg £90
Framers get money too, same as business, either we as a countryr loose out , or the government pays the farmers out of their own pocket.

Can't remember the details, but the balance was about £90 million that went from UK to EU.

Still, £90 million is not to be sneezed at, except that doesn't take into account the benefit of no taxes free trade, etc etc.

1/5 % off our economy will mean we are worse off by MORE than £350 million anyway, so until the economy picks up again, we are in the red compared to before the vote.

steppemum Mon 17-Oct-16 14:02:10

sorry that should say 1/2%

user1470043860 Mon 17-Oct-16 14:09:15

The actual figure I heard on Radio 4 was about £260 Million net, not sure where you get the £90 from and I'm suggesting your spreading false propaganda for the sake of it.

allegretto Mon 17-Oct-16 14:45:07

Yes, it is a larger amount but it is still very small compared to what the actual costs of leaving the EU will be. You can listen to the episode here:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07lhl0n

Basically, if you look at organizations such as Full Fact (an independent fact checking body) the consensus is that economically we will not be better off by leaving the EU - any small gain will be eaten up by the very real legal cost of leaving, let alone the loss of grants and trade deals (which we don't know the full extent of yet). I am quite surprised that anyone still thinks that there will be extra money for the NHS when it has been made quite clear that we will all be worse off at least in the medium term! (Of course, you might say that you didn't vote to leave on the basis of economics which is fair enough. If you did though you have basically been had - but don't say you weren't warned!)

fullfact.org/europe/cameron-bbcqt-eu-referendum-special-myths/

IamWendy Mon 17-Oct-16 15:54:42

The 350 million we do pay is real, we won't have to spend that when we have left. Real money. Real.
This 66 billion is another grand scare tactic that will turn out to be as real as David Cameron's world war 3.

Petronius16 Mon 17-Oct-16 16:00:33

I thought the PM recently said the NHS will get nothing extra, as with every other Government Department it will have to exist on its current budget.

user1471587612 Mon 17-Oct-16 16:05:29

In or out, put a cap on the single farm payment.

EnthusiasmDisturbed Mon 17-Oct-16 16:06:59

I took this issue to be an opening discussion on how much money is sent to the EU and the answer is I am still not sure there are so many figures flying about and while Remain got caught up in this the Leave campaign had moved on

To me it was a calculating chance to take and had Boris written all over it

I am so disappointed when I look back to see where Remain could have won those over the missed chances and playing into the Leave campaign

Did people believe it no I don't think many did (not from what I have heard from leave voters) as many of us have little faith in any politicians and experts being truthful when it comes to elections or in this case a referendum

Peregrina Mon 17-Oct-16 16:10:38

Did many believe it? The exact figures, maybe not. Did people want to support the NHS? Many, many people will answer yes to this. They have now been betrayed.

prettybird Mon 17-Oct-16 16:20:34

I see that IamWendy can't do arithmetic hmm

Maybe we do need to spend more......on education wink

TheElementsSong Mon 17-Oct-16 16:27:57

many of us have little faith in any politicians and experts being truthful

That's probably an entirely sensible viewpoint to take. So why would we change that when it comes to actually carrying out Brexit?

user1470043860 Mon 17-Oct-16 16:30:13

One thing that get's my goat is people screaming "subsidies! subsidies"

One poster was bemoaning about the farmers losing their subsidies when in fact the truth of the matter is that to get £3 billion in subs we to put in £6 billion in the EU pot in the first place. For the record, the French also put in £3 billion but get £12 billion back in subs - work that one out.

EnthusiasmDisturbed Mon 17-Oct-16 16:32:29

I did say when it comes to elections or in this case the referendum ....

But I can't answer your question Elements as I don't know if people will

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 17-Oct-16 16:38:26

Related to subsidies, we have actually borrowed money from the EU over and above what we get back from paying in IYSWIM. So we will also need to repay those debts on Brexit.

TheElementsSong Mon 17-Oct-16 16:40:13

Enthusiasm I don't see why politicians would magically be gripped by a fit of honest humility, or undergo a mass metamorphosis into a competent collective entity, just because the vote is over. I look at the shower of useless #^*%s in charge right now, who are more interested in dodging blame and chasing the next lot of votes down to the lowest common denominator - and I don't think "Oh yes, these are just the fine leaders and negotiators we need to ensure the best and smoothest transition in these turbulent times!"

I guess I just "don't have faith".

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 17-Oct-16 16:40:36

Theresa May has stated that there will be no additional money for the NHS. She has suggested they make cuts.

EnthusiasmDisturbed Mon 17-Oct-16 16:47:10

Neither do I

But as we are leaving as much as it pains me to say this I am not sure Labour being led by Corbyn and McDonnell would do any better and will never be elected

I do wonder how Boris got to be the F&CM I think he must have had a choice in the matter too many behind him and she needs him to not challange her it's the only explanation I can come up with

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