How will they decide between migrant workers?

(10 Posts)
QuintessentialShadow Wed 05-Oct-16 21:41:31

Who should leave and who could stay?

So, if all Polish builders upped and left, how would this help the economy?
Are there enough Brits to fill the jobs?

IT Professionals such as for example Network architects? In my husbands workplace (he is a senior architect), there are 50-50 spread of Brits and "other Europeans" and migrant workers from South Africa, New Zealand, etc. If they all left next week, would there be enough British IT people to take over projects? DH works in the transport sector, working on the systems back end of trains and tubes.

Doctors? Academics?

Are these jobs that only British people should be able to hold? Which jobs should British people hold down? How do they decide which jobs are "ok" for foreigners to do? Highly specialist niche jobs where it is difficult to find the expertise, or the "menial" jobs such as picking fruit?

If Foreign students come to study, and then leave, how will they guarantee that there will be enough British students to progress up the academic ladder to fill positions in universities? Will they still be able to attract foreign students paying astronomic fees? Will the universities be good enough to warrant such high fees if the academic teaching staff must be British first, then high caliber as a secondary requirement?

Language teaching without native speakers?
(Maybe it will be like in Norway, where we dont attract foreign high caliber teaching staff at my local uni, and I learn English pronounciation from a Romanian TA with a heavy accent, a Frenchman and an American. BBC English, as in the course description it is NOT )

Just how?

prettybird Thu 06-Oct-16 00:53:32

Don't ask silly questions. hmm

Corcory Thu 06-Oct-16 00:57:13

No body in the government has ever suggested that people should leave.

smallfox2002 Thu 06-Oct-16 07:39:52

Yes but they implied that foreign workers take British jobs. They don't, proved many times over.

Peregrina Thu 06-Oct-16 08:11:38

So the medical schools fill up with British Citizens of African and Asian ethnicity. Can't really see the racists liking that.

meditrina Thu 06-Oct-16 08:17:35

I think a lot of these sorts of questions/worries can only come from people with no experience of a country with controlled immigration.

It's not the same as 'no immigration'.

Whether of course it it moral in the global perspective to induce the brightest/best to leave their country and come to one of the very richest instead is a separate question.

But the rich - whether you are considering countries or individuals - generally prefer to buttress their riches and continue (whether exploitative or not).

Peregrina Thu 06-Oct-16 08:32:13

Whether of course it it moral in the global perspective to induce the brightest/best to leave their country and come to one of the very richest instead is a separate question.

This is a question which Governments of all persuasion since the setting up of the NHS could have been asking themselves, and effecting remedies for. We have absolutely no shortage of good quality applicants for medical schools. We could easily, had we chosen to invest, to have trained up more doctors, and even encouraged them to spend a few years abroad sharing their expertise.

whatwouldrondo Thu 06-Oct-16 08:50:37

I think that you need to add to the issue of how they will do it, how will they ensure that bright people with skills, and even, increasingly in a world where many jobs can be done anywhere on the globe, who are actually bringing their jobs to the UK, will still want to come here in the face of percieved xenophobia. I know of EU and non EU academics and people in other sectors who have already left or are planning to leave, just based on the referendum campaign, never mind the rhetoric we have heard from government in the last few days.

And whatever the mechanism for deciding who is allowed to come, there will still be the deterrence of an immigration system that is hideously bureaucratic and unresponsive to the needs of business and academia. If you are applying for entry as a non EU worker, with an assured job that you are patently better qualified for than the UK applicants, indeed are bringing your job with you, you have to go through a multi layered system, put a step wrong, a misspelt name, or slip up on detail, and you are automatically put back to stage 1 with a rejection on your record. Basically your chances of success are much worsened if you cannot fork out £7k for expert help, or are part of an existing immigrant community with supportive resources.

As it happens I do have experiences of controlled immigration, we were recruited to jobs overseas based on having the skills and experience needed. The process for getting temporary residency / leave to stay was facilitated through our employers and nowhere near as bureaucratic and multi layered. The combination of a bureaucratic deterrent process and concerns about increasing xenophobia where we were going would certainly have meant we chose to go elsewhere.

Mistigri Thu 06-Oct-16 15:53:46

The UK already has immigration controls.

It's so difficult for my private sector emoloyer to bring in non-EU researchers that most new R&D investment will be outside the UK. That was a pre Brexit decision btw.

Peregrina Thu 06-Oct-16 17:14:25

My son has already lost two EU colleagues from his work, and they won't be replaced. These were experienced engineers, with many years post graduate experience.

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