Voting leave and the death penalty

[nightandthelight]

Very interesting read from the BBC regarding the link between voting leave and support for the death penalty. Contradicts the idea that leave voters were the disenfranchised poor.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36803544

[smallfox2002]

Yet another "contradicts" thread.

The disenfranchised poor were one element of the leave vote, and a significant one, without which the leave vote may not have won. No one ever said that it was the only reason for the vote

[smallfox2002]

I also wouldn't be impressed that people who are more likely to vote for the return of the death penalty are more likely to vote in brexit.

[0phelia]

We're all going to die!

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

That is necessarily and undeniably true, Ophelia. One day.

Before that we'll experience brexit caused job losses, house price crashes, recession, fewer job opportunities, less funding for our universities, no more EU subsidies for our farmers and economically deprived areas, no more Eu legislation to keep our beaches and air clean and increased xenophobia.

Cheers

Oh, and probably increased prices on said

[RortyCrankle]

I voted Leave and believe the death penalty is uncivilised and abhorrent.

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

It's the strongest correlation, Rorty. Moreso than class, education and income - although those are strongly correlated too. But obvs it doesn't mean that every leave voter believes in the death penalty.

[Ohwhatalovelysummer]

Utter rubbish, have met many leavers, myself included. Have never met a single person that openly agrees with the death penalty!! Where do they get these ridiculous statistics? This is getting stupid now, clutching at straws springs to mind.

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

They got it from the British Election Study, Ohwhatalovelysummer.

It says so in the article.

[Sooverthis]

so not only am I too old to vote, too stupid to vote, too gullible and a racist I also support the death penalty have a

[Ohwhatalovelysummer]

Well, we all know statistics are 100% trustworthy dont we? If I could be arsed, (which I cannot, as this is utterly ridiculous) I would spend my time breaking this shite down properly, frankly however, I have better things to do than waste a couple of hours on some spurious bollocks.

[Ohwhatalovelysummer]

Yep Soover, agreed. Here, have a whole pack!

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

Go on then, ohwhatalovelysummer. Of course, we all know correlation does not imply cause - but a correlation has been found here. And I have to say, I'm not at all surprised. Little Englander Leave voters also largely in favour of the death penalty comes as no surprise to me.

[Ohwhatalovelysummer]

I am done with this ridiculous referendum section of MN now, enjoy dissapearing up your own backsides, wiping your tears away with the guardian and clutching your pearls until the 4 horseman of the apocalypse arrive. Done. Done. Done.

[MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly]

"I don't like the results of the study and it contradicts my anecdotal data so it must be bollocks".

[SuburbanRhonda]

I read that and found it interesting. The analysis suggested people who have more "traditional views" of the world were more likely to vote leave because they may hark back to the days when we had less involvement in the rest of the world.

It doesn't mean that if there is anyone who voted leave and doesn't tend to hold these views it immediately invalidates the research

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

DOn't let the door smack your arse, ohwhatalovelysummer. I do hope we have a lovely summer - it may make my mood better in the economic ruins of my children's lives following brexit.

[SonicSpotlight]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32061822

In 2015 48% of those surveyed were in favour of capital punishment. It was the first time support has dropped below 50%. It's not that surprising that the majority of those people voted leave. That doesn't mean that all leave voters are in favour of capital punishment.

[smallfox2002]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that EVERY leave supporter backs the death penalty, but again as the data shows that the correlation between the two is clear.

[RortyCrankle]

So are you suggesting the majority of Leavers support the death penalty? I just don't believe it. And what about Remainers, are they 100% anti? Don't think so.

It's getting a tad boring now - it's like 'what can we find to prove Leavers are thick and should not have been trusted with a vote'. I spent six months researching and reading on both sides of the argument before deciding to vote Leave because I believed it would be best for the country.

[tilder]

Thank you. I could do with a biscuit.

It doesn't say everyone who voted Brexit would also vote for the death penalty. Just that there is a link. So Brexit voters are more likely to vote for the death penalty.

ohwhatalovelysummer just because you don't like it doesn't stop it having an evidence base.

Was it Gove who said we are all sick of experts? Apparently so if all statistics are untrue

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

No, we're not suggesting anything. The British Election study findings show that the greatest correlation to voting Leave was a belief in the death penalty. That obvs doesn't mean that every leave voter believes in it, or every remain voter doesn't. I would have thought that was obvious.

[SuburbanRhonda]

I really don't understand what people don't get about a correlation. It doesn't mean, and never would mean, that every person who voted leave supports the death penalty or that everyone who voted remain is against it.

I think it's an interesting piece of research and gives us more insight into what was a very surprising result.

[tilder]

I don't either suburban.

[smallfox2002]

Um, the OP brought it up as a way to "prove" that it wasn't the disenfranchised poor that voted to leave.

The data also suggests that people who thought the death penalty was inappropriate were more likely not to have voted to leave.

So lets be clear no one is seeking to "prove" that all leave voters were thick and couldn't be trusted with a vote.

You might have voted out because you believe its what is best for the country, that's fine, you'd be wrong, but we can use the data to analyse the leave vote and draw conclusions from it.

We KNOW that there were larger turn outs in deprived areas and that lots of these areas voted out. When interviewed people talked about disenfranchisement and kicking elites, now this doesn't suit some leave voters as it suggests that the people voting weren't voting on the issue at hand.

The fact that lots of people voted out on immigration, but the main areas voting out have low levels of immigration in general. Again it kind of takes away from the leave vote.

The fact that the leave vote who all shouted project fear when economic warnings were given, now find that lots of the predictions are coming true takes away from the leave vote.

In the end really, you can say you did it for XYZ, but lets be honest you voted alongside racists and xenophobes, alongside people who were voting not on the issue at hand, and alongside people believed the silly rhetoric of Johnson Gove and Farage. All in all you're not in good company.