In denial about Brexit - anybody else?

[crossroads3]

"Brexit is Brexit" Theresa May is now PM.

She will no doubt make Chris Grayling the Minister in charge Brexit.

The rest of the EU are busily making plans to proceed as 27.

But still I am in denial.

Any other remainers feel the same?

[crossroads3]

of Brexit

[Peregrina]

Yes, and wondering what on earth I can do.

[lovelyupnorth]

Yes. Reading the Irish passport option. Both Dds want to live and travel in europe and beyond.

[TwoWeeksInCyprus]

Me too 😟

[noblegiraffe]

I see threads where people say 'oh some EEA trade deal won't be so bad' and I think things might be ok, then I remember about Scotland and Northern Ireland and think 'what the fuck is going to happen to the UK?' all over again. Trade deals won't solve those problems.

[FranHastings]

We are so screwed on many different levels. 😦

[kateemo]

It won't happen. She is an evidence-based decision maker and, according to several media reports, driven by a sense of personal justice. "Brexit" won't stand up to that scrutiny. Also, she inherits the "U-turn" government. Why think things will suddenly proceed full speed ahead now? There are forces at work here that won't allow any further destabilisation of the economy (and I'm not a conspiracy theorist).

[Basicbrown]

I don't think Scotland particularly is an immediate worry. It has been made pretty clear to Nicola Sturgeon that Scotland won't be given preferential treatment so to leave the UK will mean them being a tiny country on their own, applying to be a member of the EU. I don't see the Scottish people voting for that. And so realistically the question will only come up again when all is settled and hopefully doing OK (by which point will the Scottish want more upheaval). In terms of NI I don't know enough about the IRA related issues that are there to make sensible comment.

I am in denial in so far as I'm not sure that it is going to make that much difference to anything. Other than we will be able over the next decade to agree free trade with other countries where the EU has failed. The influence we had as one country on the EU table was limited anyway.

Also, we are heading towards more integration for countries with the Euro. So this would have relegated those outside to a real 2nd tier. To me in this situation it makes more sense to have EEA and then Euro countries anyway and I wonder if in 20 years that's how it will be. So my denial is around the possibility that it is a storm in a teacup.

[Mistigri]

I wouldn't say I am in denial - I have thought all along that (a) May would get in, and (b) she may be the only Tory capable of delivering a brexit (though almost certainly a "soft" Brexit) given the complete lack of credible, competent politicians on the Leave side. She has played the game very cleverly.

That said, I think people underestimate the huge legal, administrative and political challenges ahead. It would not surprise me if brexit either gradually gets abandoned, or gets watered down so much that it looks remarkably like remaining.

[Mistigri]

And if you think headline, democratically-mandated promises can't be abandoned - then take a look at what happened to the "British Bill of Rights". That too foundered on the Irish and Scottish questions ....

[Thegirlinthefireplace]

I'm pretty resigned to Brexit now how happening, as much as anything because delaying uncertainty is causing as many problems as a sensible exit might. That said, I still have little daydream/fantasies of ways we can get out of it. Using Scotland/NI as an excuse is a favourite (of the abandoning Brexit fantasies)

[Mooingcow]

Dds want to live and travel in europe and beyond

I've done this before and after we were EU members.

It really wasn't a big deal.

Some countries are less paperwork than others, but few will actively discourage useful people immigrating with jobs.

I've used my languages far more outside the EU than in it.

I've got a Norwegian friend who works in Amsterdam. Not a hassle.

And I know two Chinese families in Brussels.

We can all still travel, and where appropriate, work you know!

[Mrskeats]

Have a look on fb for the group called the 48%
Lots of stuff going on

[HirplesWithHaggis]

wingsoverscotland.com/our-friends-in-europa/#more-86484

Basicbrown Scotland is a much more pressing issue than you think, and there's plenty of support for an independent Scotland to remain in the EU when rUK leave.

(Yes, it's on Wings, but it's not written by Rev Stu, in case anyone has an issue with him.)

[lljkk]

I am thinking....
Davis as new Home Sec
Govey in charge of negotiating Brexit
Grayling for Chancellor
but could swap Gove-Grayling.
And Leadsom to be promoted to something

What kind of craziness would it be if Boris got a portfolio?

[Basicbrown]

Yes I'm sure there is. I think though that although the truth about anything is hard to find the EU countries are going to want their own stability over Scottish concessions. I rather got the impression that NS was hoping a quick referendum would mean they wouldn't have to actually leave with us, which for me seems less appealing, and depends on what is agreed.

[Mistigri]

Govey in charge of negotiating Brexit

That's good news. He's also been in charge of the now defunct British Bill of Rights, which most people have forgotten was promised within 100 days of the last election.

[ErrolTheDragon]

In denial about brexit? How about the whole of the labour party who are business-as-usual infighting?

I feel like we're in a bit of a 'phoney war' limbo ... there's likely to be discontent, economic and social impacts whatever route is chosen.

[lljkk]

Glad that Mistigirl seems to think my surname is May...

[crossroads3]

Yes the Labour Party could write a book about mass denial / acting out .

(Not that it's funny - the lack of vocal opposition.)

I am dreading death by a thousand cuts as the leavers gradually cut our ties with the EU over the next few years. Though I might enjoy the incredulity when people realise that the freedom of movement is a prerequisite to being in the single market . Maybe I should stop watching the news completely.

[Pangurban1]

Mooing, Norway is a Schengen and EEA/EFTA member. They pay and have to allow free movement of persons etc. They adopt a lot, if not most, of EU legislation. They don't receive any EU development funds.

I think there are different and higher fees at university for people from outside eu countries. I presume Brexit means a complete break in some quarters, so higher fees would apply in that case. Not so accessible for a lot of people.

Otherwise, if the UK gets to go under EEA/EFTA, all that will have happened is that they will have lost the rebate that Thatcher achieved. And the opt outs and what Cameron received.

They would have to pay as much (if not more, 'cos they won't be part of rule making anymore) and will not have the opt out of Schengen.

If you do pay like Norway, that is zero sum before the tariffs etc are even looked at.

People do work, study and trade all over the world. It would just not be as easy and accessible to people from the UK to do it in the EU as now.

[Margrethe]

It would not surprise me if brexit either gradually gets abandoned, or gets watered down so much that it looks remarkably like remaining.

I think this too.

[catbasilio]

I am in denial and have a glimmer of hope that Brexit will not happen.
I think the statement "majority people wanted out" very silly. Part of leavers protested or wanted a change. Part of them did not realize that Brexit will not bring the halt to immigration. I still cannot think of a single positive of Brexit. I hope that the politicians with May ahead will think this through.
On the other hand, I never thought that leavers will win the referendum so I am none the wiser.

[Margrethe]

Brexit will not bring the halt to immigration.

You can't be sure. I also doubt that it will make much difference, but if the country really wants to "pull up the drawbridge" and "damn the consequences," I would assume that they really can do that. Just like they really did vote for Brexit.

[hotcurrypowder]

Do people really think it's impossible to live and work in Europe unless your home nation is part of Europe? Really? No wonder they called it Project Fear...