AIBU to have reached peak - "its democracy dear"

(26 Posts)
BreakingDad77 Wed 29-Jun-16 10:19:49

Considering the massive u-turns on policies and what looks like Borris going for an EEA type deal, the ruining of both of the main parties, this seems more like a coup than democracy!

All the racism minimizing posts I see on social media, the shaming "how dare the lazy young question democracy fought in world war" unpatriotic stuff.

Have had enough now anyone else?

glitterbomb80 Wed 29-Jun-16 10:30:12

Oh, me, me! Can I also add "everyone just needs to calm down and work together to sort this out"?

I wasn't the one who voted to stick a cluster bomb under the economy without an exit route. I believe this is the wrong decision for Britain and Europe and reserve my right to be angry, and fight it. Because that's how democracy works.

Amrapaali Wed 29-Jun-16 10:31:31

Honestly we don't deserve democracy....

todayitstarts Wed 29-Jun-16 10:39:03

We have a parliamentary democracy not a direct direct democracy, which is why referenda are not legally binding. This is a right wing coup.

Being told to 'suck it up' and 'work together'... Nope, don't think I will thanks

Itinerary Wed 29-Jun-16 10:59:13

YABU. I'd rather see no more "it's the economy dear", "it's immigration dear", "it's the end of Western Civilisation dear" or "all intelligent people think X dear".

Itinerary Wed 29-Jun-16 11:00:56

referenda are not legally binding.

So what is their purpose?

PigletWasPoohsFriend Wed 29-Jun-16 11:03:32

I'd like to hear less insulting of people's age and educational attainment.

How about looking at the 76% of those aged 18-25 that actually didn't vote than those older people that did.

dragonsarebest Wed 29-Jun-16 11:04:35

I do find it hugely hypocritical that remainers are being told to "get over it" and accept things when Farage's entire career was based on doing the precise opposite. Ok for anti-EUers to never "get over it", but for some reason pro-EUers should, and immediately?

Globetrotter100 Wed 29-Jun-16 11:09:19

I was just thinking about this.

On eBay if a member gets sold a pup / bag of lies, then the transaction is considered automatically void and a full refund given.

The member who dealt with a fraudulent seller in good faith is not obliged to pay for the con, and, importantly, nor is anyone else.

It strikes me that the eBay purchase protection policy looks after my well-being more than so-called Great British Democracy.

Bit depressing, really.

ofshoes Wed 29-Jun-16 11:10:02

So what is their purpose

Well the general consensus for this one was that it was either supposed to cement David Cameron's position against UKIP and the Tory Euro sceptics or to give Boris a platform to launch himself into number ten. No one thought they'd actually have to leave the EU.

Itinerary Wed 29-Jun-16 11:15:46

I do find it hugely hypocritical that remainers are being told to "get over it" and accept things when Farage's entire career was based on doing the precise opposite.

That parallel doesn't apply. Farage was nothing to do with the Leave campaign and doesn't represent Leave voters in general. If Remain had won, of course they'd be declaring the result final, and many would be saying the Leave side should "get over it".

Sierra259 Wed 29-Jun-16 12:09:33

YANBU. This whole sentiment of "stop being cross and upset now" REALLY pisses me off. As long as I remain civil, I can be as fucked off as I want, for as long as I want about what is happening to my country! You could also argue that pushing ahead with something that 48% of the nation don't want, isn't exactly a shining beacon of democracy!

Sierra259 Wed 29-Jun-16 12:13:01

And yy Piglet to the younger demographic blaming the older generation for "taking away their future". They should maybe have spoken to their mates about actually getting off their arses to vote instead?

BluePitchFork Wed 29-Jun-16 12:14:06

democracy can also mean that the elected leaders take the decision in the best interest of the country despite farage the outcome of a referendum large survery

WhatsGoingOnEh Wed 29-Jun-16 12:17:57

My mum said that my generation (I'm 40s) has "had it too easy", and that a "struggle will be good" for us.

!!!!

RainYourRottingMyDhaliaBulbs Wed 29-Jun-16 12:20:52

Apparently the elderly have been getting death threats and some young encouraged to attack them and blame everything on them sad

maybe the elderly have actually handed them a future a future to be looking forward too? Rather than one tied to a dying out dated union?

DoctoraNova Wed 29-Jun-16 12:30:22

Sorry, what??? Itinerary Farage was nothing to do with the Leave campaign and doesn't represent Leave voters in general

Eh????

PigletWasPoohsFriend Wed 29-Jun-16 12:37:38

Doctor I think what is being said is that he wasn't part of the official campaign.

What he did was off his own bat.

Itinerary Wed 29-Jun-16 12:47:12

DoctoraNova Farage had no involvement with the official Leave campaign (Vote Leave) and they categorically distanced themselves from UKIP, particularly regarding that awful poster.

UKIP only got 12.6% of the vote in last year's general elction, and have just 1 MP (not Farage). The amount of media coverage he was given during the refendum campaigns was way out of proportion. He was wheeled out repeatedly. Unfortunately, this substantially reduced coverage for the sensible, moderate voices on the Leave side, and gave the false impression that Farage had some kind of official role in the Leave campaign. He didn't.

ErrolTheDragon Wed 29-Jun-16 12:51:28

That thing about 'fought in the war' ... can surely only apply to people over 87 (a 16yo in 1945 would be 87 now, yes?).

I've only heard one 94 yo on the radio who actually served in the war, and he voted Remain. I know my parents and ILs were very much in favour of the peace and prosperity brought about by the EU - but they,like most of those who did defend our nation against facism are gone. sad

Itinerary Wed 29-Jun-16 12:57:34

That thing about 'fought in the war' ... can surely only apply to people over 87

Many of us over a certain age have (or had) grandparents/parents who served in the war, or who were too young to do so but still remember it. Even if these people are no longer with us, we've heard their experiences first hand.

whogrewoutoftheterribletwos Wed 29-Jun-16 13:05:16

Itinery - UKIP 'only' got 12.6% of the vote in the GE, yes, but the Tories 'only' got 37%. To put that in perspective, UKIP needed 331x as many votes as the Tories for the same number of seats. As a remain voter, I find this electoral system that we've taken back our democracy for rather worryingly undemocratic.

Itinerary Wed 29-Jun-16 13:33:07

Voting "leave" by no means precludes campaigning for PR or Lords reform.

BreakingDad77 Wed 29-Jun-16 13:37:44

Voting "leave" by no means precludes campaigning for PR or Lords reform

Of the leavers in family who actually have concerns about the EU that aren't the 350/immigration. I have raised this and PR and they say thats got nothing to do with why its so important to leave the 'undemocratic EU'. (gives up)

MangoMoon Wed 29-Jun-16 14:01:09

Considering the massive u-turns on policies and what looks like Borris going for an EEA type deal, the ruining of both of the main parties, this seems more like a coup than democracy!

Well a coup was obviously long overdue.
The wilfully ignored & minimised disenfranchised & disadvantaged in this country were fed up of being metaphorically patted on the head by the self-identified benevolent plastic socialists.

If this was a coup, then kudos to the British people by doing it non-violently, with just marks on bits of paper.

All the racism minimizing posts I see on social media, the shaming "how dare the lazy young question democracy fought in world war" unpatriotic stuff.

This will be the backlash against the ageism that the young have been heaping out re baby boomers ruining their future?
The same young of which 2/3rds didn't bother their arses to vote?

Have had enough now anyone else?

Yes!
I am heartily sick of the Armageddon type doomsday handwringing.

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