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Can someone in the know please explain why the Labour Party chose this moment

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TheOddity · 27/06/2016 20:27

To oust Corbyn? It seems like a very ill timed coup, makes them look hugely irresponsible and also even more arrogant and out of touch with the grass roots of the party right? Wrong?

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Andbabymakesthree · 27/06/2016 20:30

Deflection from chilcott report?

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PurpleDaisies · 27/06/2016 20:30

The chilcott report is out next week...

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TheOddity · 27/06/2016 20:49

Please expand...?

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TheOddity · 27/06/2016 20:54

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/still-iraq-war-stupid/

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Levantine · 27/06/2016 20:55

Because there is a chance of an early general election and Corbyn is unelectable.

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wowfudge · 27/06/2016 20:56

Wrong. JC was a lousy Bremain campaigner and therefore those in his party who wanted a remain vote have had enough of his poor leadership - although they all say he is principled man.

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wowfudge · 27/06/2016 20:56

Plus everything Levantine has said.

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CremeEggThief · 27/06/2016 20:57

They should be lined up against the wall and shot, the treacherous, disloyal bastards.

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MrsChrisPratt · 27/06/2016 21:00

I am a swing voter but I will never vote Labour while Corbyn is in charge. Chukka, Ed Balls or Miliband over Boris any day, but not Corbyn. The idealist left wing Of Labour's grass roots need to realise Corbyn is making them unelectable to the majority who siting the middle ground. The politicians are just a bit ahead of the game vs the wider party.

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MrsChrisPratt · 27/06/2016 21:00

*sit in

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peachpudding · 27/06/2016 21:02

This is great stuff for the Tories. They can go on to rule for decades with JC in charge lol.

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peachpudding · 27/06/2016 21:03

Boris, Gove and Theresa can all have a stint as PM.

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chipsandpeas · 27/06/2016 21:13

corbyn wont win a GE so get the new leader in now and they have 4 years to impress while the tories self implode

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ZenNudist · 27/06/2016 21:25

He is neither a strong leader nor electable so now is as good a time as any to get him out.

He is not going to push the party pro-EU agenda throughout the coming political storm. He has to go.

I was so angry to hear him on Friday morning calling for Article 51 to be triggered straight away. His judgement is lousy. His principals get in the way of the national interest. He is a menace. He needs to go.

I am also a labour voter but been known to dabble lib dem. I am in a safe labour area. I would never vote for labour with JC in charge. Neither would most of my friends who share my politics.

The party know this is kind of thinking is going on and want to get him out. He was a dumb choice for leader anyway. Putting a euro sceptic in charge of a Bremain campaign was crazy. I think the labour grassroots and JC are very much a factor in the mess we are now in.

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Brokenbiscuit · 27/06/2016 21:30

It's mainly because they're expecting a general election and they don't think they can win with Corbyn at the helm.

I don't think they'll win with him or without him, sadly.

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cheminotte · 27/06/2016 21:33

He didn't manage to convince the Labour voters outside of the big cities (London, Bristol etc) to vote Remain. DP is basically Labour but says he could not vote for him.

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ImperialBlether · 27/06/2016 21:37

I'm a staunch Labour voter but wouldn't vote for Corbyn. I'm amazed he's hanging on now (doesn't he realise if your shadow cabinet doesn't have faith in you, it's time to go?) as he didn't seem to really want it in the first place. When they announced he was the new leader he seemed half asleep and poor Andy Burnham looked like he was going to have a stroke. Corbyn's a backbencher, not a leader. I'm sure he's a great constituency MP, but he shouldn't be in charge of the party, especially not when it's struggling.

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tilder · 27/06/2016 21:40

What everyone has already said.

He was supposed to be campaigning to Remain. It was apathetic to say the least. His campaign to remain labour leader has already been significantly bigger than his Remain campaign.

Plus the rumours that the Remain stuff was sabotaged. ..

He will never win an election. Principles are lovely but without sufficient votes, in politics they are meaningless. It lets down all those people he claims to support.

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0phelia · 27/06/2016 21:42

He managed to sway 3/4 of Labour voters as opposed to 1/4 of Tory voters.

There is a Blairite Coup underway because the Chilcot report is coming. They will protect Blaire while JC wont.

Incidentally, the gay Corbyn heckler was planted by a Blairite PR company

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/news-agenda-set/

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DrDreReturns · 27/06/2016 21:49

He has got to go imo. I agree with the pp who said that the parliamentary party is basically a few years ahead of the grassroots. If he is still in place at the next General Election Labour will suffer a result similar to the Conservative defeat in 1997. I have voted Labour several times in the past but I won't vote for them with JC in charge.

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Justanotherlurker · 27/06/2016 22:03

He managed to sway 3/4 of Labour voters as opposed to 1/4 of Tory voters.

He didn't sway anyone, anybody even remotely a follower of Corbyn understood he didn't stand by his principals as his stance and that of momentum would have told you.

Even if the recent reports of him actually voting out are bullshit, perceptions matter, as it did with pig gate, that on top of not appealing to his core voter base and a potential GE in the wings, labour need to move now.

There isn't some silent left wing majority that is waiting in the wings that will swoop them into power, the entryists have ruined labour and the crys of red Tory and blairites is what will kill the party for a long time, the country has been centrist for generations, grabbing votes from the greens isn't going to mean squat.

It's all well and good saying party members voted for him, when the general electorate think he is ineffective and wouldn't vote for him, poll after poll show this, it's not a media conspiracy, it's not a blairite coup, the man is ineffective and if he can't even keep that 'blairite' Watson on board then maybe the common factor is the man stuck playing student politics.

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HubrisComicGhoul · 27/06/2016 22:11

Labour are not capable of winning a GE because England is moving further to the right. The only way to win (as happened in 1997) is to move to the right at the same time as the country believe that the Tories have been in too long.

The problem with that tactic now (as opposed to in '97) is that the "middle ground" is deeply entrenched in right wing territory. Corbyn is not "far left" he is to the left of the government, but In reality his views sit just to the left of centre, however most Labour party policy sits just to the right of centre.

The question is, is it a political party's job to pander to the public for votes, or should they be making policy and then convincing the public that they are right?

The problem is, politicians have got into the habit of pandering for votes, without taking into consideration that we don't always know what is good for us. I realise that sounds patronising, but remember how many women opposed women getting the vote... Or more recently, how many working poor voted Tory and were then shocked their benefits were cut.

Labour doesn't have a MP capable of moving the country back to the left and on that basis, they don't deserve to be elected.

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tabulahrasa · 27/06/2016 22:12

"It seems like a very ill timed coup, makes them look hugely irresponsible and also even more arrogant and out of touch with the grass roots of the party right?"

That's pretty much it IMO - if it was for any good reason they would have waited, a few days, a couple of weeks even, not this weekend where the country was in upheaval and thd government was also collapsing.

Basically they care more about winning an election than what was right to do at that time.

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sorenofthejnaii · 27/06/2016 22:16

It's great to have principles. But what's the point in having principles if you can't get elected.

The country won't elect Corbyn. The UK political system and the first past the post makes it harder to elect Corbyn.

Get in power and try to do the best you can - even if it's not the best you can do.

The best you can do is better than what the Tories have to offer.

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oldbirdy · 27/06/2016 22:19

It isn't to do with Chilcott, whatever the conspiracy theorists will say. It's a PLP who were always lukewarm about Corbin but gave it a go based on his mandate, but who had little faith in him and post Brexit have no faith in him. He was never going to command loyalty in a party in which he has consistently done his own thing and ignored the party whip some 500 times over the years. They know that being a principled man is irrelevant if you cannot make political capital when your opposition is in disarray. I have been hugely disappointed in his term as leader. Where was the strong dissent to the new curriculum while teachers all over the country resigned in protest, unsupported. And now he has sleepwalked us into this 'Brexit'. It wasn't his idea of course but he did not do the job of the leader, which is to firmly present the Party's prevailing opinion with conviction.
That's why.