Does anyone think there will actually be a second referendum?

(30 Posts)
MaryPoppinsPenguins Mon 27-Jun-16 10:53:38

I hope so! But can't see it happening...

But Boris looks like he's made the biggest mistake of his life, lots of Leave voters seem to regret their decision, and there's a petition (petitions?) that will be debated in parliament...

Does anyone think this will happen?

Lunar1 Mon 27-Jun-16 10:56:21

Some leave voters regret their decision. I don't as I'm sure the majority don't, people like me are just not making a noise about it as there isn't a need.

noblegiraffe Mon 27-Jun-16 10:57:07

The only chance of a second referendum is if it is on the terms of the exit, not a redo.

And if it was on the terms of the exit they would include a remain option.

However, I'm not sure the EU will stand for much more fannying around.

Collymollypuff Mon 27-Jun-16 10:58:20

3,658,626 signatures

Rising at a massive rate of knots.

Candypops14 Mon 27-Jun-16 10:59:36

no

Collymollypuff Mon 27-Jun-16 11:00:41

3,660,113 signatures

MaryPoppinsPenguins Mon 27-Jun-16 11:01:28

Lunar - just because you don't regret it doesn't mean others don't. Many do, and didn't understand the ramifications.

tictactoad Mon 27-Jun-16 11:04:00

I think it might be debated to show willing but I don't think there will be another referendum.

WannaBe Mon 27-Jun-16 11:04:50

No. I do think there will be a general election though, and I think we won't leave the EU.

As for leave voters who regret their decision, I have no sympathy for them. They were blind fools who bought the spin offered to them by people who had no credibility or ability to implement any of what they claimed was on offer. Anyone who fell for that is an idiot.

PoisonousSmurf Mon 27-Jun-16 11:07:03

Never! Most of the signatures on the petition are false! Thus making it null and void.
That's what happens when you cheat...

Abetes Mon 27-Jun-16 11:07:45

No I don't think that there will be. I was extremely disappointed with the result but I accept that you can't keep having referendums until you get the answer you want.

MaryPoppinsPenguins Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:05

Cheat what exactly??

darceybussell Mon 27-Jun-16 11:08:16

No there won't be another referendum. However once they have come up with a deal with the EU they might have to put the deal to a referendum.

SpoonfulOfJam Mon 27-Jun-16 11:13:07

I don't think there will be a second referendum.

I don't think there will be a Brexit. I think they are looking for the most plausible reason to call it all off now.

fanjoforthemammaries Mon 27-Jun-16 11:13:51

Not "Most of"..a tiny percentage

ShelaghTurner Mon 27-Jun-16 11:19:23

I'm not sure what the Brexiters expected though. Everyone knew there would be a chaotic shitstorm if they won. And there is a chaotic shitstorm. There's no plan, there never was a plan. What exactly is the surprise element?

I voted remain and although deeply unhappy, am prepared to accept that's what happens when you have a referendum - you take the chance you'll lose. Christ knows what's actually going to happen though.

waterfallsandmountains Mon 27-Jun-16 11:22:08

Smurf 77,000 of the 3.6 million signatures are not valid, that is hardly most of them is it hmm

Collymollypuff Mon 27-Jun-16 11:25:24

They've removed the fraudulent ones. This is a government website!

3,670,053 signatures

MaryPoppinsPenguins Mon 27-Jun-16 11:28:27

Scotland have an awful lot of seats in parliament.. Can they theoretically block this?

allegretto Mon 27-Jun-16 11:30:30

I think that it is more likely that we end up with a deal that is close to what we had before as members - except we won't be members and we won't have a say in anything. That way everyone loses!

MitzyLeFrouf Mon 27-Jun-16 11:32:40

There won't be a second referendum but there'll be a lot of manoeuvring by whichever Tory rises to power (inc. Johnson) to try and avoid leaving the EU.

todayitstarts Mon 27-Jun-16 11:35:52

No I think a General Election will be called and Labour and all the other opposition parties will have a manifesto to not invoke Article 50. It is even possible that Boris could be defeated as leader and the Tories do not commit to invoking it. Either way, the election will be won by the anti-Brexiteers.
And as the referendum is not binding and the GE is, that will be the end of that

diddl Mon 27-Jun-16 11:36:37

No I don't think that there will be.

Am hoping that the leave doesn't happen though.

I'm sure that the EU needs an overhaul & if there is one it would be sad not to benefit from it.

Perhaps if there hadn't already been so many concessions then DC might have been listened to last time or other members might have joined with him to ask for reform?

I do wonder how many of the problems are caused by being in EU & will therefore be solved by leaving?

TremoloGreen Mon 27-Jun-16 11:42:06

They will only have a new referendum if significant new information is on the table- like the terms of the deal. But then what will be on the ballot paper? Accept the deal or go back to what we had? Is that really acceptable to people? Because they sure as hell won't risk letting people have a free vote for leaving the single market.

Fontella Mon 27-Jun-16 12:25:03

As a committed 'LEAVE' voter, I have to say I have serious doubts about Brexit in the wake of the result.

I don't regret my decision, I have been anti-EU for a decade and a half, and all my gripes are with the institution itself- the sheer eye-watering cost of it, the layers and layers of bureaucracy, the lack of accountability, the inisistence on pushing the one-size-fits-all currency which has been so devastating to some, and the way in which commissioners and officials are appointed. I haven't changed on that and if real reforms could have been made, then I would have viewed the whole referendum differently. I wasn't persuaded by either side of the argument in the recent campaigning, and my feelings towards the EU were based on years and years of observing how the EU establishment conducts its business. I would have voted the way I voted regardless of the TV debates and the media, and the threats and lies from both sides, because my dissatisfaction has always been with the institution itself and this was the only chance I would ever have to make my voice heard.

However …. after thinking carefully about this over the weekend, I personally have reached the conclusion that even though 'LEAVE' got more votes - we do not have a sufficient mandate from the British electorate to make this work. The result was too close, with areas of the UK at complete odds with other areas and it has been hugely divisive. How can we be confident about taking such a momentous step knowing almost half our own electorate don't feel the same way as us? And please don’t tell me it’s ‘democracy – suck it up’. I know what democracy is, but I also know that when half of the UK are vehemently opposed to something, it is going to be very, very difficult to make it work.

Also, this decision which no-one expected has sent shock waves across Europe. Already there are calls from other countries for EU reform, more transparency and even calls for Juncker to resign. He and those of his ilk are only one small problem in the myriad things I dislike about the EU institution but it would be a start at least. What is interesting is that it is the democratically elected politicians of individual countries who are taking a far more measured and conciliatory line in regard to the UK referendum result, than the bureaucrats, and I for one, see this as a real positive.

Thursday’s vote has given the EU institution an almighty kick up the arse, and the irony would be for us to exit with the country divided and the EU going on to make the much needed reforms to the way it operates to the benefit of those countries remaining - with us now on the outside.

I just think we all need to stop hurling abuse at each other, and think seriously about the real implications of all this. If 'LEAVE' had won by a larger majority - even 60/40 then I probably wouldn't be feeling the way I do, but we didn't. How Boris Johnson (in today’s editorial in the Telegraph) can so blithely dismiss the real possibility of Scotland going it alone is beyond me. He says there is ‘no appetite for a 2nd independence referendum’. I’m not sure where he’s getting his information but from everything I’ve observed, I think there is very much an appetite for it, and indeed every possibility of it becoming a reality.

I can't see how forcing Scotland, Northern Ireland, London, West Wales (from where I come originally) and a sizeable percentage of English voters from other areas of Britain to do something they don't want to do, can be of benefit to the country.

I still despise the machinations of the EU institution and will continue to do so until it is reformed - but I can see a real possibility of that happening now because the democratically elected governments of other member states have to do something about the rise of Euroscepticism in their own countries and will do everything possible to prevent what has happened here, happening to them.

Just setting out my personal thoughts, and I am not interested in getting into any slanging matches with anyone on here.

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