How will farmers be affected, especially Northern Ireland

(7 Posts)
Pangurban1 Sun 26-Jun-16 07:53:00

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-farmers-told-not-to-panic-over-loss-of-260m-in-eu-subsidies-34831166.html

Just that. There will be so many areas trying to get Westminster to replace EU funding. It is interesting how the farmers think that not only will the subsidies be replaced, but they may even get more money. So, in effect, the farmers may have voted Leave for extra subsidies.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/farmers-divided-on-eu-referendum-brexit-agriculture

"The leave campaign argues that the market would not simply vanish – the French would still want Welsh lamb and the Republic of Ireland would still be very keen to sell its beef to the UK. It adds that the subsidy cash for UK farmers comes from British taxpayers in the first place, and Boris Johnson said last week that he could “100% guarantee” that their subsidies would continue or rise after Brexit."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36616786

Arlene Foster is more concerned about supporting orange marchers against
the Independent Parades Commission's decision, at the moment.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/first-minister-backs-orangemen-in-battle-over-whiterock-parade-decision-34828722.html

It is not as if there is going to be a shortage of orange marches this month.

www.paradescommission.org

But I digress. Waiting eagerly to see farmers get more money in subsidies after Brexit. Johnson guaranteed at least the same.

WellErrr Sun 26-Jun-16 08:00:37

The subsidies were well overdue a reform. So that will be good.

There are too many retired and inefficient farmers being paid tens of thousands a year to coast along. And the change from being paid to farm to being paid to look after the countryside was too drastic.

Personally I'd like to see fewer subsidies and a cap on cheap low welfare imports. With lower subsidies rents would come down and we'd lose the culture of elderly farmers hanging onto holdings for the SFP and either doing nothing with the land or renting it out for vastly inflated amounts.

I think farming needs this. I know people who just coast along relying on their SFP and doing bugger all all year. That needs to end.

WellErrr Sun 26-Jun-16 08:01:22

I don't know about NI specifically though.

fuctifino Sun 26-Jun-16 08:05:09

Each person pays £22 pound into Europe and the country gets £9 back.
On those figures, we should have a significant amount of money to divvy up.
Who knows how much the farmers get.
It causes rivalry round out way, the way it is distributed seems quite arbitrary.

Pangurban1 Sun 26-Jun-16 08:07:26

During the campaign, Johnson promised at least the same in subsidies, and maybe even more.

Pangurban1 Sun 26-Jun-16 08:15:12

fucti, £22 invested and 9 back, per person. So are you saying it is as simple as all that. A £13 loss per person with nothing in return. No manifold returns in trade worth billions of pounds.

I wonder where those figures are from, btw?

I agree animal welfare is very important. Of course, not all farming is livestock.

fuctifino Sun 26-Jun-16 20:35:33

The figure was from a Guardian infographic prior to the election. It showed how much each country put in and how much they got back.
It also broke down per capita how much each European citizen paid and effectively got back.

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