100 reasons to vote to leave the EU

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BritBrit Tue 21-Jun-16 18:05:17

A long list of 100 reasons to leave the EU

1-Control immigration & introduce a skills based system
2-The UK Parliament makes our law not the EU
3-Sign our own trade deals
4- Save £55 million a day in fees
5- Regain control of UK fishing waters
6- We will not be signed up to the TTIP
7- We can stop future EU members e.g. Turkey/Albania/Serbia get free movement to the UK
8-Withdraw from the Common Agriculture Policy (CAP) so we don’t pay for EU farms
9-Cheaper food-being outside the CAP provides cheaper food prices
10-Reopen UK fisheries creating thousands of jobs
11-Cheaper energy prices-we can scrap EU green laws
12-Scrap the EU’s Common external tariff which increases the cost of imports from outside the EU (cheaper goods & food)
13-Introduce a British Bill of Rights-EU members must sign up to ECtHR
14- No chance of the UK joining the Euro in the future
15-The UK won’t be forced to join an EU army with UK armed forces under Brussels control
16-We will not have to bailout Euro countries & we just did Greece
17-We can use the money we pay the EU on Britain e.g. NHS
18-Protect UK culture & national identity
19-The UK would be an independent sovereign nation
20-We can repeal EU regulations holding back business particularly small firms
21- The UK can take back our own seat at the World Trade Organisation
22-It will be easier to crackdown on tax avoidance because EU free movement of money allows firms to avoid tax
23-Outside the EU we can require immigrants to pay for NHS treatment
24- The EU is undemocratic-Parliament will be fully accountable to Brits again
25- We could introduce a law for British jobs for British workers
26- We can charge EU students international university fees for using UK universities
27-We can stop immigrants claiming tax credits, social housing & benefits
28- The EU forbids state aid so the UK is unable to support UK industry e.g. steel
29- EU trade, when we joined the EU was 37% of world GDP it is now 17%
30- The UK is the world 5th biggest economy & EU’s biggest export market
31- The EU undermines UK democracy because we are constantly outvoted by other EU nations
32- The EU has not had its accounts signed off for 20 years
33-EU students would not be entitled to UK student loans, currently they haven’t repaid £40m
34-After Brexit,controlled immigration will increase wages & take pressure of public services
35-The trade deficit between the EU & UK is almost £92 billion a year in the EU’s favour
36- The EU waste billions of pounds of British money on useless projects.
37- We can reintroduce UK passports without the EU mark on them
38- If an EU nation gives a non EU immigrant their passport they get unrestricted access to the UK
39-The UK can act as an example to other eurosceptic EU nations & encourage them to quit e.g. Holland/France
40- The UK can control our own VAT currently the EU set the bands
41- The UK only gets 49p back from the EU for every £1 we put in
42- The EU is a threat to the UK finance sector
43- The average British household would be £1000 a year better off after Brexit
44- The UK has under 10% of MEP’s & only 1 vote of 28 in the Council
45- Open Europe says the top 100 EU rules cost the UK £33 billion to implement
46- Stop immigrants claiming child benefits for children that don’t even live in the UK
47-The UK is not able to take skilled non EU immigrants because we are overwhelmed by unskilled EU immigrants
48- Between 2009 & 2014 the UK voted against 576 EU proposals in the EU Parliament, 485 became law (84%)
49-The EU took the UK to court 23 times between 2007-2011 for not implementing EU law
50- The EU currently decide 75% of the laws affecting Britain
51-The UK lost our veto over many legal areas in the Lisbon Treaty, Qualified Majority Voting was introduced meaning the Eurozone can impose laws on the UK
52- Democratic inconsistency- the UK has 1 MEP for every 880,000 people. In Luxembourg they get 1 MEP for every 71,000 people.
53- The UK has failed to block any measure it opposed in the EU Council for 19 years since 1996.
54- Last year the EU demanded the UK pay an extra £1.7 billion to the budget & David Cameron paid.
55-EU treaties provide on Brexit we will have 2 years to negotiate a new deal
56-Leaving the EU will help solve the housing crisis because immigration will be controlled & rent prices will go down
57 Protect the greenbelt-immigration has meant we have to build on our greenbelt to provide housing
58-Stop school overcrowding & spend UK resources on educating British kids-immigration has led to massive class sizes.
59-British students are still able to study abroad because the Erasmus programme includes non EU nations.
60-The EU is responsible for many of the recent floods in the UK because the stops the UK from dredging rivers by the Water Framework Directive
61-The British people do not elect the various EU President, the EU Council or the EU Commission
62-The EU has suggested that it wants to take The UK and France’s UN Security Council seats
63- The EU controls the tariffs the UK has to put on goods from non EU nations which is damaging trade particularly with Commonwealth nations.
64-The UK spends millions each year on translators (courts/hospitals/ schools etc) for EU immigrants
65-The EU is set to expand further in the future meaning the UK will lose more influence & have to open borders to more people
66-10,000 EU employees earn more than the British Prime Minister & we are paying for it
67-The EU courts have recently overruled UK tax law & ordered the UK to pay back big business taxes they paid, estimated to reach £50 billion
68- David Cameron’s ‘renegotiation’ achieves nothing & has not been adopted by the EU, it can be ignored by the EU Parliament or overruled by the EU courts
69- The EU spends £500 million a year of taxpayer money creating pro EU propaganda
70-The British people cannot vote out the leaders of the EU like we can a Westminster government
71-Policies widely supported by the public e.g. railway renationalisation are illegal whilst we are in the EU
72- The EU allows the live importation of animals, the UK cannot ban it
73-The EU Clinical Trials Directive 2004 has ruined the UK research sector, in 2000 the UK conducted 6% of all trials, in 2010 it was 1.4%
74-The EU fine UK universities if they do not fly the EU flag, the University of Northampton was fined £56,000
75-The fundamental aim of the EU is to create a European superstate, the UK will not be a nation but a region controlled by the EU
76-Outside the EU the UK can create a free trade deal with the EU to maintain free trade
77-If the UK votes to stay in the EU, it will be taken by the EU as permission from the British people to do whatever they want and impose more integration on us
78-The EU have just delayed the next EU budget until after the EU referendum, expect more massive increases
79-The European Arrest Warrant allows Brits to be taken to other EU countries without a trial
80-The EU makes a terrorist attack more likely because we cannot stop EU immigrants entering the UK e.g. one of the Paris attackers travelled to the UK
81-During the recent immigration crisis millions have entered the EU, as soon as they get an EU passport they have the right to enter the UK & use our NHS/schools/benefits etc
82-The EU is not responsible for peace in Europe, Nato is, for instance during the Balkan war it was the USA & UK that led efforts to stop it not the EU
83-All the groups who are telling the UK to stay in the EU have vested interests in the EU e.g. the IMF bailout Greece & those organisations all said the UK had to join the Euro
84-The EU spends millions moving operations to Strasbourg from Brussels that UK taxpayers pay for
85-Worker rights DO NOT depend on the EU e.g. the UK had holiday rights in 1938, Equal Pay in 1970 & race/sex discrimination laws introduced before we joined
86-The UK has better maternity rights than EU law provides providing more time off & better maternity pay
87- When the UK joined the EU we had 18% of MEP’s in the EU Parliament, we now have only 9.7%
88- The EU is currently planning to take control of UK taxes with a vote in May giving every EU citizen an EU tax identification number
89- The European Health Card (which includes non EU nations) has been used by immigrants living in the UK to claim for treatment in their home countries we pay for
90- 800,000 UK jobs have been advertised on an EU jobs website advertising our jobs to EU immigrants, more jobs than all other EU nations combined
91- We cannot let more skilled Commonwealth immigrants into the UK who we have more in common with because we have open borders to unskilled EU immigrants
92- When the UK joined the EU we had 17% of the vote in the EU Council, we now only have 8%
93- If the UK quits the EU it will encourage other EU nations to also leave
94- From 2005-2014 the NHS paid £1.3 billion for EU immigrants giving birth on the NHS
95- The EU has just voted for new Port Regulations effectively seizing control of UK ports
96- The UK is still a member of other international organisations e.g. the UN, WTO, NATO where we can work with other nations & protect our interests
97- Tory Minister has admitted that UK governments use the EU to pass unpopular laws they couldn’t get passed by the UK Parliament
98- The UK effectively has open borders to the entire world because any non EU national who marries an EU citizen can come to the UK
99-The EU is never going to reform, David Cameron tried & failed to get major reform
100- Vote to Leave and David Cameron & George Osborne will have to resign & be out of power

bkgirl Tue 21-Jun-16 18:21:24

Quick scan but there are issues here
11 we can scrap EU green laws???? Seriously?????
46 Stop immigrants claiming child benefits for children that don’t even live in the UK WHY? If someone works here and pays tax here for example I really can't see the issue.
That's the thing I may support Leave but I certainly wouldn't want a Farage led list.
Thank goodness we will be able to get a new election and a sensible list.

Clangersarepink Tue 21-Jun-16 18:33:08

100 ... and get Boris and Gove instead. Not seeing an upside there tbh.

GrandmaJosephine Tue 21-Jun-16 18:37:27

22- under this government? Really!?

Evergreen17 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:37:52

To sum up this 100 just look at number 1
This is what this is all about right? That is why you put it at the top.
I am an immigrant
Have never claimed a penny
Have paid taxes for 11 years as the rest of the working people
Have 1 degree and 2 masters and started cleaning toilets not claiming benefits
I have been fluent in English since age 12

Sod your reasons. It all comes down to number 1

Evergreen17 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:39:24

Also number 23
There are more British people in my country than Spanish over here
90% of the British population in Spain are over 65
So reason number 23 might backfire for a lot of people

DailyFailAteMyFish Tue 21-Jun-16 18:40:09

100?? Really???

Evergreen17 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:42:00

18. Protect British culture and national identity
Wow
Wooooow

This brings me back to reason number 1

AgnetaTheViking Tue 21-Jun-16 18:42:03

Meanwhile on the reasons to remain list, I've just read that Gove has said he'll quit politics and fuck off if we vote remain.

Evergreen17 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:42:16

18. Protect British culture and national identity
Wow
Wooooow

This brings me back to reason number 1

Evergreen17 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:44:21

40. Not true. Spanish government lower the VAT a couple of years ago and it is still lower now. Because of the economic crisis.

So yeah not true

Evergreen17 Tue 21-Jun-16 18:44:44

Lowered

AgnetaTheViking Tue 21-Jun-16 18:45:19

23. Inside the EU we can require immigrants to pay to use the NHS.

When I was last in the UK I tried to give the hospital all the info they needed to claim the costs back from my host country but they weren't interested.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 21-Jun-16 18:48:00

Brexiters aren't racist but immigration is the no.1 reason?

Haha!

AgnetaTheViking Tue 21-Jun-16 18:54:33

74-The EU fine UK universities if they do not fly the EU flag, the University of Northampton was fined £56,000

They were fined for not putting up a A4 sized plaque displaying the EU logo on a building that the EU had spend £2.5 million kitting out.

Jelliedeels Tue 21-Jun-16 18:55:38

How about these reasons
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata,
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

IamSlavetotheEU Tue 21-Jun-16 18:59:17

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/677801/new-EU-threat-pension-expert-vote-leave-protect-retirement-pots

Mr Truell told the Daily Express that it will cost the corporate pension schemes a “staggering £150 billion” just to pay for the red tape, which he described as “an unconscionable amount of money”.

He pointed out that the EU has already imposed the same rules on British and European insurers which has reportedly cost Legal and General alone £3 billion in just filling out extra paperwork.

To make matters worse, EIOPA wants to force insurers and pension funds to mostly invest in government bonds in what some see as a bid to prop up “worthless” Greek and Italian bonds to help prevent the euro zone collapsing.

IamSlavetotheEU Tue 21-Jun-16 19:01:24

Evergreen you sound very defensive and bitter. I cant understand your reasoning here. I have family members from other EU countries like you, worked hard, never claimed benefits and some are in, some are out, They are not taking this as a personal attack but a debate on whats best for this country.

Rattitude Tue 21-Jun-16 19:08:17

37- We can reintroduce UK passports without the EU mark on them

Now the professional Brexit campaigners present on this site are really grasping at straws. grin

BritBrit, why don't you go and share your insights on the Relationship board for once?

Showmethewaytogohome Tue 21-Jun-16 19:17:10

IamSlave I don't think it is your place to claim someone else is bitter. Evergreen is expressing an opinion. And as immigration is no 1 in the list I have to concur.

Ironically illegal immigration is likely to increase as why on earth should Europe stop people getting to our shores?

WidowWadman Tue 21-Jun-16 19:22:44

I am an immigrant and find this fear and hate mongering list pretty offensive.

temporaryusername Tue 21-Jun-16 19:27:21

Related to reason one, you could be forgiven for assuming that if some well balanced skills based system is a likely outcome, we would already have that kind of a system in place currently for non EU immigrants. As far as I know we don't, I have been trying to find out. If we in fact don't I would not expect anything like that to develop post brexit. It may alter the ratio of EU to non EU immigrants, but skills based or competently managed seems a pipe dream.

Showmethewaytogohome Tue 21-Jun-16 19:32:27

BritBrit it would be extremely interesting to see the detailed plans around these assumptions - after all there has been enough time for the Leave campaign to write them

My concern above all others (even the undertones of anti-immigration fervour) is:

THERE IS NO PLAN - does that mean Friday is just day zero ? And let's just wing it?

LeaveTheRoundAbout Tue 21-Jun-16 19:39:51

Show:
democracy a new idea to you then?
This vote is a referendum - an instruction to this government and future governments we may elect.

It is not part of a manifesto. We are not electing a government. We have a government. This is why it is a cross party issue - why we have Gisela Stuart speaking for the left view on reasons to leave the EU. It is not a political party (well except for UKIP - and that's because Labour have fingers in their ears).

Once the government have the electorate's instruction they will then set about acting on it.

Rattitude Tue 21-Jun-16 19:43:19

Leave, we are not talking about 'acting on it'; we are talking about planning for Brexit.

And it does not appear that there is much to say about post-Brexit plans.

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