If you live in Scotland are you IN or OUT?

(53 Posts)
PirateTrophy Wed 15-Jun-16 10:30:24

Apologies if this had been done before!

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us Wed 15-Jun-16 10:35:14

Out, for a whole host of reasons. We don't have the level of pressure from migration up here that other parts of the UK suffer, so for me personally it's mainly it's the lack of democracy in the structure of the EU and the fact I don't like the direction that the EU is going. I think it is beyond reform, or we would have seen some more concessions when Cameron negotiated, and I think it's fairly likely that it will all implode fairly soon anyway and we'll be in a stronger position outside. Short term pain for long term gain.

AgentProvocateur Wed 15-Jun-16 10:40:06

In. We need migration, we need tourist who can get here easily, cheaply and without restrictions, and we need the open trade for our food and drink exports.

fanjoforthemammaries Wed 15-Jun-16 10:40:42

In

DeepfriedPizza Wed 15-Jun-16 10:42:21

In

LemonBreeland Wed 15-Jun-16 10:42:30

In. I'm in Scotland but English.

whattheseithakasmean Wed 15-Jun-16 10:45:53

In - I work in a research intensive Uni & we need access to EU research funding & research talent.

The Highlands & Islands & Scottish farmers both relay heavily on EU subsidies. It will be a disaster for them if we leave.

Tote Wed 15-Jun-16 10:48:42

In. The factory I work in is owned by a company in the European Union. I'm more convinced of the factory still being here in 5 years if we're still part of the EU.

LadyReuleaux Wed 15-Jun-16 10:49:18

In. Also English in Scotland.

The UK has spent most of its history in the EU trying to wriggle out of rules that exist to protect workers' rights and human rights. I don't trust this government in particular not to shit all over the most vulnerable even more than they have already, if they cut loose from the EU.

Plus 90% of financial experts probably shouldn't be ignored when they say it will fuck the economy over big style.

SirChenjin Wed 15-Jun-16 10:50:26

Really not sure. Was Leave as I'm becoming very disillusioned with our EU lot and it was my small 2 fingered salute to NS (the more Scots who vote Leave the less of a mandate she has to call yet another referendum), but I'm beginning to step towards Remain. Could easily go back to Leave though.

Roonerspism Wed 15-Jun-16 10:51:31

Out.

PirateTrophy Wed 15-Jun-16 10:53:51

I feel like I'm doing the hokey cokey over it. I keto changing my mind. I agree with parts of both side and seriously disagree with others. Still listening to both sides and trying to differentiate the facts from the scaremongering.

PrimalLass Wed 15-Jun-16 10:57:21

In

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us Wed 15-Jun-16 10:58:01

The UK has spent most of its history in the EU trying to wriggle out of rules that exist to protect workers' rights and human rights.

The UK goes far above the EU minimum for workers rights. We led the way on women's rights in work, long before the EU, and they were upheld even throughout the Tory rule of the 80s so why on earth would they suddenly all be at risk now. Not only that but the EU has actually eroded worker's rights in Greece etc as part of bailout packages, which is why some unions and plenty of left-wing politicians are calling for leave. There are plenty of good reasons to stay in the EU, but I wouldn't say this is one of them!

(the more Scots who vote Leave the less of a mandate she has to call yet another referendum)

I was leave anyway, but this is the icing on the cake ;-)

blueskyinmarch Wed 15-Jun-16 10:58:37

In.

OurBlanche Wed 15-Jun-16 11:03:18

The UK has spent most of its history in the EU trying to wriggle out of rules that exist to protect workers' rights and human rights. some of that has been because the laws we already had/have in place are stronger, better, more fair.

Specifics used to be easy to find, but the U stuff seems to have swamped it. I'll try and find a specific example though! Human Rights was one, but that is incredibly complicated and not a good example smile

Roonerspism Wed 15-Jun-16 11:06:03

Many of the UK's employment laws exceed the minimum requirements of the EU.

MyKidsAreTakingMySanity Wed 15-Jun-16 11:24:57

As much as I hate to agree with that bloody awful woman, Nicola Sturgeon, who refuses to acknowledge the will of the Scottish people, I'm for staying in. The UK is strong. It always has been and has more power within the EU than some would have us believe. If not, how are we not using Euros? And let's face it, the human rights laws for example handed down by the EU aren't exactly a bad thing.

rogueantimatter Wed 15-Jun-16 12:11:04

In.

It seems like a much better idea to be part of a union with our neighbours than to separate from them. Norway is massively rich thanks to its oil - that's a matter of good luck - best thing to do with oil is leave it in the ground.

As far as I can see most small countries form unions with their neighbours. I know there are exceptions but they tend to be either unsuccessful or massively rich due to the good luck of having lots of natural resources.

Leaving would be like on of the north American states leaving USA; crazy.

The complaint about Brussels bureaucrats is unfair - we have civil servants too - I believe Britain has proportionally more civil servants. It's easy to blame 'Brussels' - well, the people who live outside Edinburgh complain about Edinburgh-centric allocation of fund (Edinburgh trams for example -what a mess - while the 100 mile long A9 remains the most dangerous road in Britain), Caithness inhabitants complain about the imposition of culturally inappropriate Gaelic signs foisted on them by the Highland council which is based in Inverness etc etc.

Nationalism is dangerous.

If Britain leaves EU it might set off other referendums leading to the eventual break up of EU with potentially disastrous consequences.

Many of the arguments in favour of leaving seem to be founded on either fear or greed. Fear of immigration - which is ironic given the number of ex-Brits who emigrated to Canada, America, Australia and Spain. I think immigration is self-limiting anyway. Fear of our national identity - whatever that's supposed to mean 'Curry, Queues and too much alcohol perhaps' being 'taken over' by immigrants.

Sorry but this argument that 'our' waters etc are plundered by Spanish fishermen and we will reclaim them seems like 'We were here first, it's ours and we're not sharing'.

BritBrit Wed 15-Jun-16 14:06:44

I always find it ironic Scotland are the most europhile UK nation as they have the most to gain from Brexit, reopening fisheries & controlling Scottish waters would give them a big economic boost not to mention alot of farming land is in Scotland & the EU's CAP has been a disaster for UK farmers

SirChenjin Wed 15-Jun-16 14:09:18

Yes - but we also stand to lose a lot in subsidies, which will be much needed in an indy Scotland.

Piffpaffpoff Wed 15-Jun-16 14:12:17

In

whattheseithakasmean Wed 15-Jun-16 14:13:34

The rural highland & island communities benefit from massive EU subsidies. They will be fucked if we leave.

SirChenjin Wed 15-Jun-16 14:15:36

Although the SNP Govt haven't been exactly quick to pass these subsidies over....

MaliceInWonderland78 Wed 15-Jun-16 14:17:29

I have to confess, I initially wanted to protect the Union. I was though in favour of the referendum in Scotland. I'm absolutely in favour of self determination (that trumps any feelings I have about the Union)

I do though find it odd that the Scots would seek independence from Westminster, only to then throw their lot in with the EU. To my mind, sovereignty is either important to you, or it's not. An independent Scotland would have less say/influence in the affairs of the EU than a devolved Scotland does in the affairs of the UK.

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