EU Commission President to intervene in the vote next week

(22 Posts)
BritBrit Tue 14-Jun-16 12:48:15

Juncker will intervene in the EU referendum next week after secret deal with David Cameron that he would only interfere if the remain campaign were losing.

So will this help remain? will British voters listen to him or will he just drive more to vote Brexit? What we he say? I am expecting him to make some wild last minute concessions or scaremonger that he will ignore after the vote e.g. on immigration/budget etc.

order-order.com/2016/06/14/stick-it-up-your-juncker-major-intervention-coming-next-week/

claig Tue 14-Jun-16 12:55:31

Interesting. Possibly a last ditch attempt by the cleverest whizzkids in the Establishment to offer some cheese on a string to the people and just as we reach for it, it is pulled back from our grasp.

Possibly promise of "serious" discussion about reform where all the paid lackeys who wanted to remain in will promise that they will listen to the people and deliver what they want.

It won't fool the British people. Expect a landslide for Leave.

MephistophelesApprentice Tue 14-Jun-16 13:04:03

I've been reading the special edition of Der Spiegel about Brexit. Apparently there's a faction amongst Angela Merkel's advisors who want to offer Britain greater concessions to prevent a Brexit.

claig Tue 14-Jun-16 13:05:37

I think I heard something yesterday about them sending Gordon Brown to meet Juncker. I doubt Juncker will be happy about that, but they all have to knuckle down now as their fate lies in the British people's hands.

claig Tue 14-Jun-16 13:08:28

'Apparently there's a faction amongst Angela Merkel's advisors who want to offer Britain greater concessions to prevent a Brexit.'

Sounds a bit like Cameron offering the Scots greater devolution or whatever he did at the end. It won't fool the British people, they can't play cat and mouse with us. We don't need their favours and tidbits, we want to take control back.

claig Tue 14-Jun-16 13:11:43

'Gordon Brown to meet Juncker for referendum talks'

euobserver.com/tickers/133802

I wonder what promises they will have to offer to Juncker to get his help.

howtorebuild Tue 14-Jun-16 13:24:52

I think people may fall for titbits.

claig Tue 14-Jun-16 13:40:42

'I think people may fall for titbits.'

You may be right and that is obviously what Cameron and his teenage team think, but I think that when the British people see Juncker and Brown and Cameron and Lagarde linking arms and doing the can-can with Gordon's smile, perfected at a smiling clinic probably paid for by the public, then the undecided voters will make up their minds, rush headlong towards the polls and vote Out! Out! Out!

shinytorch2 Tue 14-Jun-16 14:59:52

I'm still waiting to hear how Ed and Yvette Balls (up) are planning to Remain but "control immigration" as reported on news night last night....

A4Document Tue 14-Jun-16 15:07:26

I do not trust Juncker at all. Of course the establishment will predictably keep attempting to persuade us to remain, but they'll most likely go straight back to the same old ways after 23rd June. I sincerely hope people see through it and vote to leave.

UnmentionedElephantDildo Tue 14-Jun-16 15:07:59

"I've been reading the special edition of Der Spiegel about Brexit. Apparently there's a faction amongst Angela Merkel's advisors who want to offer Britain greater concessions to prevent a Brexit."

'Too little, too late' springs to mind.

Kelandry Tue 14-Jun-16 16:03:17

Well, my guess is he'll offer us all of those things David Cameron asked for, in full. Still, if they couldn't give it to us then, then they can piss of because we'll take freedom thanks.

namechangeparents Tue 14-Jun-16 16:04:33

'Too little, too late' springs to mind

Although I am voting to Remain, I agree.

unlucky83 Tue 14-Jun-16 16:15:57

Whoa.....hang on a minute...
According to Bremain the EU is actually working toward being more democratic and open, everything has to go in front of the parliament and be agreed on by all the member states etc.
So how on earth could the EU Commission President do something as major as change our terms of membership - offer us a deal to remain???? How could that work? Would he bypass the parliament? shock
Surely not - after all that would be undemocratic.... wink

Kelandry Tue 14-Jun-16 16:27:29

Or, he's the culmination of project fear, and he's going to make some outrageous threats!

Limer Tue 14-Jun-16 16:37:08

Interesting. Not sure whether he'll be wielding a carrot or a stick (probably a carrot in one hand and a stick in the other).

Carrot will be met with hoots of derision - as a PP said, too little, too late. And Leave will win.

Stick will be met with defiance - how dare he threaten us? And Leave will win.

Chalalala Tue 14-Jun-16 17:06:29

So how on earth could the EU Commission President do something as major as change our terms of membership - offer us a deal to remain???

Yep, he can't. No single person within the EU has the authority to make promises like that. I really don't see how the EU can offer the UK meaningful concessions here, because surely it would require the agreement of all other 27 states?

Maybe they can make some soothing noises and promise to think harder about concessions. But that'd be nowhere near enough. Sadly.

unlucky83 Tue 14-Jun-16 17:15:55

Well - it has been looked at
www.politico.eu/article/brussels-commission-looks-to-sideline-parliament-on-uk-reforms-brexit-cameron-faull/
To quote from that
cutting out the democratic middleman
Another option being explored is a loophole in the Lisbon Treaty that allows for the use of a special legislative procedure for policy changes related to social security and welfare protections that requires consultation with rather than consent of the Parliament.
Marley Morris, a researcher at the U.K.-based think tank Institute for Public Policy Research, has been looking at whether this procedure could circumvent the requirement of getting a majority vote in Parliament. He noted that the provision requires a unanimous agreement in the Council and can be used only with respect to legislation that supports the right of EU citizens to “move and reside freely” around the EU.
So maybe it would be possible....

claig Tue 14-Jun-16 17:16:18

'Stick will be met with defiance - how dare he threaten us? And Leave will win.'

Yes, stick will cause uproar. They have decided that Cameron will be dishing out the stick and they have sadly realised that that has failed. The only thing they can do at the last minute is to offer some form of carrot. Of course, we will tell them where to stick it.

Chalalala Tue 14-Jun-16 17:35:21

could circumvent the requirement of getting a majority vote in Parliament. He noted that the provision requires a unanimous agreement in the Council and can be used only with respect to legislation that supports the right of EU citizens to “move and reside freely” around the EU.

Unanimous agreement in the Council - that means that all 27 heads of state would have to agree on the last-minute deal. I think that's very, very unlikely...

BritBrit Tue 14-Jun-16 17:38:23

Chalalala is is not unlikely it is impossible, the EU nations are not even due to meet before the vote & the parliament would have to vote on any agreement, they have voted on David Cameron's 1st deal yet, they can offer nothing & if they do it will be a lie

Chalalala Tue 14-Jun-16 17:45:49

Agreed BritBrit

Damn those annoying EU democratic procedures wink

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