Name me one good thing that we have from the EU...

(161 Posts)
Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:22:26

which we would not have if we left. I am not after scaremongering rhetoric, but facts. I really like to have a balanced point of view, but I cannot for the life of me see any reason to remain. So give me some FACTS

mouldycheesefan Fri 10-Jun-16 11:23:51

We can work and live in any eu country.

toofarfromcivilisation Fri 10-Jun-16 11:25:48

Equal wages for men & women, no discrimination based on race, colour, disability, lifelines for British farmers, free health care when on holiday, freedom to move abroad, labour in the UK to do jobs that the British won't.
Have you ever watched Life of Brian?

OneArt Fri 10-Jun-16 11:31:07

Lots of research funding and collaboration. Our universities will suffer if we leave, and I imagine university fees would have to go up to fill the gap.

Nydj Fri 10-Jun-16 11:31:56

the safeguard of anti discriminatory legislation. This government wants to remove the human rights act and if we go down that road without the safety net of EU directives on equality, the government will erode the equality legislation. This will then enable them to introduce more austerity measures without having to watch out for its impact on women, those with disabilities, those with political beliefs that are different to those of the government etc.

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:34:36

We can work and live in any eu country.
What are the facts that we benefit from this.
How many working British do this versus retirees and students. How many economically active British are in Europe versus Europeans in Britain?

LottieDoubtie Fri 10-Jun-16 11:34:59

Working time directive

mouldycheesefan Fri 10-Jun-16 11:37:01

Maursh why don't you go and find out? Google will assist you. I know lots of Brits who work abroad in Europe countries with no need for visas etc as I work in a European role. This is a benefit of being in the EU. But if you want the stats go get them , Eurostat is a good starting point.

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:42:18

Equal wages for men & women, is from the equal pay act 1970, pre-dates EU
no discrimination based on race, colour, disability, there are so many different laws in there which culminated in the Equality Act of 2010, but many of these previous acts were formed 1975-1985. You will need to expand on this to show it is a EU benefit
lifelines for British farmers Rhetoric (and most farmers would disagree!)
free health care when on holiday not free, UK government is billed for it
freedom to move abroad, labour in the UK to do jobs that the British won't. addressed the first part, second is rhetoric unless you can back it up.

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:43:19

Lots of research funding and collaboration. Our universities will suffer if we leave, and I imagine university fees would have to go up to fill the gap.
Rhetoric. What is "lots"? Numbers and links, please?

DickCheese Fri 10-Jun-16 11:44:20

ERASMUS grants, funding for research, talented scientists and researchers come to our universities from other EU countries without a problem

SomedayMyPrinceWillCome Fri 10-Jun-16 11:44:34

European arrest warrant & streamlined extradition arrangements

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:47:19

the safeguard of anti discriminatory legislation. This government wants to remove the human rights act and if we go down that road without the safety net of EU directives on equality, the government will erode the equality legislation. This will then enable them to introduce more austerity measures without having to watch out for its impact on women, those with disabilities, those with political beliefs that are different to those of the government etc.
Can you provide some backing to show that the government wants to remove the human rights act (I thought this was UN and not EU?)
And unless you can show that there is intent to remove anti-discrimination legislation then this is exactly the sort of scaremongering rhetoric that I am talking about. No facts in this whatsoever.

MrsBlackthorn Fri 10-Jun-16 11:49:22

Increased trade - making us more prosperous.

Cleaner air and beaches

Peace with out neighbouring countries

Iamliftzilla Fri 10-Jun-16 11:50:20

The university I work at (top 10, russell group) will loose a minimum of 300 jobs if we leave Europe and 1 million plus on income.

Nydj Fri 10-Jun-16 11:50:25

here is a great blog post about the many untruths being circulated regarding employment law and the EU. EU legislation on equality and its interpretation by the European courts has had a huge positive impact on workers rights in the UK.

mollie123 Fri 10-Jun-16 11:50:31

This government wants to remove the human rights act
the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU - it is signed up to by 47 countries
The human rights act is a later nulabour act that is open to being changed by any current government.*(nothing to do with whether we are in or out of the EU)*
as above - this is all scaremongering, Conservative bashing and rhetoric!

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:51:51

Working time directive how many workers benefit from this? In all jobs I have been in I have had to sign this away anyway. I am certain that there are industries where it is essential and saves lives, but not so many. There was a post on here by a taxi business owner who said that new legislation which curbed the number of hours he could work were so restrictive as to send him bankrupt.

Chalalala Fri 10-Jun-16 11:53:54

Your question is impossible to answer because we know what we have, but exactly how much of it we would lose will not be decided until Britain and the EU negotiate an exit agreement. It will depend on the British government's priorities and on the EU's willingness to compromise.

So I'm afraid you can't have quantified facts and figures.

toofarfromcivilisation Fri 10-Jun-16 11:53:55

Oh!, sorry, I thought the OP came in to ask for opinions. Seems not. More a PPB in favour of Brexit. Tacky as you haven't backed up any of your replies!

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:54:47

Increased trade - making us more prosperous.
Great ! What are the numbers to show that we have increased trade and are more prosperous then before we joined the EU?

FrankUnderwoodsWife Fri 10-Jun-16 11:55:25

You don't get free healthcare in Europe.

For the healthcare to be "free", you need to apply for an EHIC before you travel.

If you get injured or unwell and need treatment then you must pay for it at the point of use, then claim it back in the UK.

I have no idea what happens if you can't afford to pay for your treatment at the hospital!

Maursh Fri 10-Jun-16 11:55:44

Oh!, sorry, I thought the OP came in to ask for opinions. Seems not. More a PPB in favour of Brexit. Tacky as you haven't backed up any of your replies! No, I clearly asked for FACTS. Most of my replies have sought more backing of the statements made

Chalalala Fri 10-Jun-16 11:58:42

What are the numbers to show that we have increased trade and are more prosperous then before we joined the EU?

No, the correct comparison would be, are we more prosperous than we would be today if we hadn't joined the EU. And that's obviously impossible to know for sure.

You can ask for facts and figures about how much less prosperous we would be if we left the EU, but again this entirely depends on which exact agreement that would be reached. It's all projection and modelisation, not facts.

dogchewedtoy1 Fri 10-Jun-16 12:01:41

We were the 5th largest economy before we joined the EU and we're still the 5th largest economy today....

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