What would you say to a friend/colleague who pointed out, kindly

(200 Posts)

That you were mispronouncing a foreign word?

Just wondered if I am touchy or this is another time when she says something to me and I should stand up for myself?

FellatioNels0n Sun 17-Feb-13 16:29:38

Depends on the word. If she said that you should call chorizo 'horeetho' I'd say she was a knob, and not to worry about it.

shushpenfold Sun 17-Feb-13 16:29:39

I'd have been mortified probably, but once I'd calmed down and stuck pins in a doll I would be glad that they had told me so that I didn't do it again!!

FellatioNels0n Sun 17-Feb-13 16:30:26

Unless she was Spanish and then I'd smile politely and say thank you for the tip.

edam Sun 17-Feb-13 16:31:50

What Fellatio said. If it's a word that has been Anglicised, or that would otherwise sound daft if you tried to assume the relevant accent, then she can be ignored. If you are making what most people would consider to be an error, it's useful information.

Did she do it quietly and nicely?

LynetteScavo Sun 17-Feb-13 16:32:08

It depends on the word, and whether they are right or not.

I mean, you can't really stand up for yourself if you are wrong, you just have to accept it.

If they are wrong, then you should stand up for yourself, and point out they are being a knob.

BIWI Sun 17-Feb-13 16:32:52

You realise that you have to tell us the word, don't you?!

It was Italian, a food stuff. I thought she sounded stupid saying as she did so politely pointed out how you do say it.

Her reply was pretty harsh and I was stunned to be honest, it involved swearing and telling me I was stuck up and a cow!

TheSecondComing Sun 17-Feb-13 16:36:21

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I can't tell you the word. She has mentioned mumsnet a couple if times and I think maybe she is a mumsnetter or lurks on here.

Just wondered if I was being unreasonable or she was being incredibly rude in her reply?

I didn't put on an accent at all.

HollaAtMeBaby Sun 17-Feb-13 16:38:42

So this is a reverse scenario? You're the one who corrected her? Sorry, but you were rude.

mablemurple Sun 17-Feb-13 16:38:50

Ha! I was once corrected in France by a French waitress over my pronunciation of the word coconut. As far as I am aware, that is not the French word for coconut, it is the English word and therefore I will continue to pronounce it my way.

The correct pronunciation, apparently, is coconoot.

Had she corrected my pronunciation of noix de coco, though, then fair dos smile

VBisme Sun 17-Feb-13 16:39:17

Why do you care if she sounds stupid?

Just wondered if I am touchy or this is another time when she says something to me and I should stand up for myself?

This makes me think that you two have a difficult relationship and you were trying to get one up on her - clearly that was her impression.

cruxible Sun 17-Feb-13 16:40:17

Was she pronouncing pizza as pit -sar?

No I seriously wasn't trying to get one up on her. I just thought she would prefer to know she was saying it wrong and be able to day it properly in future.

Funnily enough I am just a regular person who wasn't being nasty or trying to score points.

shushpenfold Sun 17-Feb-13 16:42:21

Interesting....I've just remembered a lady who was on a one day a week course with me in London and several of us went to the local deli to order ciabatta toasties. She proceeded to tell all of us that it was pronounced see-a bah-ta and I must admit that it was the last time she went with us. I'm not quite sure why she did it with hindsight as we were all pronouncing it incorrectly (apparently....along with most of the UK) and she could not have thought that it would end well.

moondog Sun 17-Feb-13 16:43:13

Mable, that is hilarious! grin
My mother was once corrected repeatedly by a shop assistant on how she was (correctly) pronouncing Soave. Said assistant insisted it was 'so-ave' (ie rhymed with 'gave')

In the end my mother smiled and said 'Tell you what, I'll buy my Soave elsewhere.'

Tee2072 Sun 17-Feb-13 16:45:11

I am dying to know what the word was. If you could understand what she was getting at, why correct her?

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 16:46:13

Oh I want to know the woooooooord.

Fwiw I don't think it was rude to tell her. SHE was rude to call you a stuck up cow.

Hard to say really, it depends how you did it.
I would have maybe repeated it back to her somehow, but pronounced it correctly.

I'll admit to being a person who has on occasion corrected someone over a word! I had ordered a ciabatta in a deli and she corrected me on the pronunciation but it was so laughably wrong that I'd corrected her back before I knew it!

It can be a bit hard to stay quiet when people repeatedly mispronounce words so I'd probably have done the same as the OP!

Catchingmockingbirds Sun 17-Feb-13 16:47:44

She can probably work out from your posts that this thread is about her anyway, you may aswell tell us all what the word was grin

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 16:47:59

Was it focaccia pronounced fock-a-see-a.

Or penne to as in Sean?

BIWI Sun 17-Feb-13 16:49:30

What word was it, though, that was making her sound stupid? Mispronouncing things (especially foreign words) is something that people do all the time. But sounding stupid?

Unfortunately a lot of British people don't care if they pronounce foreign words wrongly. It sounds like this is her attitude, and that she was reacting very defensively to being treated as if she is stupid.

(Not defending her, btw ...)

And you so have to tell us!

I just Said do you mean ...........

Wasn't rude, didn't snigger. She had missed out a vowel and made the word sound like something completely different. Was just a statement really.

BIWI Sun 17-Feb-13 16:50:58

Hmm. But that could be construed as being patronising, could it not?

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 16:52:14

erm, hardly any point in not saying the word now as she will have worked out from the thread that it's her you are talking about anyway. what is the word?

moondog Sun 17-Feb-13 16:52:18

God, I've been laughing at my dh for years for his inability to say sauvignon blanc properly. Occasionally I may even swear at him too.
It's rather trying to have a degree in another language as it is so irritating when peopel mispronounce words.
I have just winced through my dd's revision for a French test.
Doesn;t sound like any French I was taught.

grin

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 16:53:18

yep that does come across as quite smugly patronising.

Can someone confirm the correct pronunciation of ciabatta? My mum and sister insist on calling it chee-a-batta whereas I thought its just cha-batta as the "cia" at the start of Italian words is what makes the "cha" sound? Am I right?

shushpenfold Sun 17-Feb-13 16:53:56

Sorry but this sounds patronising to me too.......I wouldn't have sworn at you but I would not have been happy about it.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Sun 17-Feb-13 16:54:13

I would have done what Sauvignonblanche said and somehow incorporated the word pronounced correctly in a sentence. Or I would have let it go.

shushpenfold Sun 17-Feb-13 16:54:36

Curly....apparently it's see-a ba-ta grin

Back to the OP, unless you REALLY didn't know what word she was saying then you were rude to point out her mistake. Just say it correctly next time you say it and she will "get it" then without being shown up by a know-all!!!

Shush - grin

TheSecondComing Sun 17-Feb-13 17:00:41

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

GetOrf: "penne as in Sean"??!?!?!?!

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 17-Feb-13 17:02:17

You sound patronising. My MIL says "tagliatell." I don't correct her, I know what she means.

I would probably tell you to fuck off as well, like I did to the person who was telling me, very patronisingly, and wrongly, how to (mis)pronounce "chorizo."

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 17-Feb-13 17:03:20

Are you one of those ponces who asks loudly and smugly for a "panino" as well? grin

Curly, as far as I know you're sort of both right smile There is a definite 'y' sound in there and if you were to exaggerate it it would sound a bit like "chee-ya-batta" but Italians run those sounds very close together so it's more like "chya" as one syllable, rather than "chee-ya" as two syllables.

TomDudgeon Sun 17-Feb-13 17:06:26

Penne as in Sean? Porn?

Yes, MIL calls Thai food "thigh food". Thought she was joking at first then realised she'd just never made the connection between the world Thailand which she pronounces correctly (i think!) and Thai food. I could never point it out but am always confused as to why she cant "get it" when we say we went to a Thai restaurant. Later on in the conversation she'll refer back to the thigh food. grin

She is lovely but not very worldly-wise!

nooka Sun 17-Feb-13 17:10:04

If the 'you are stupid' subtext came across in the 'kind' correction then that would be very irritating.

I'm imagining something like this:

Colleague: 'I'm making tirmisu tonight'
OP ' Do you mean tir- a -misu?'
Colleague 'Oh fuck off you stuck up cow'

If it went like this I'd say that the OP was being very patronizing and unnecessary and that the colleague had a bit of a potty mouth but was quite normal to be irritated.

lastSplash Sun 17-Feb-13 17:10:25

Getorff have you seriously come across someone who pronounces penne as PORN!

Or have I been mispronouncing Sean all these decades...

Lizzabadger Sun 17-Feb-13 17:10:58

Was it bruschetta?

Ok I get it I'll just ignore it next time.

Oh and I'm not a ponce, evil, smug or rude just thought she would rather say it correctly than sound stupid pronouncing something wrongly. I would rather someone point out to me if I was pronouncing something incorrectly.

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:14:12

grin

i think she meant sean as in sean penn (sp?)! not pronouncing penne as porn like sean (shawn)! grin although i am from NI and sean and porn are not remotely the same in pronunciation.

Tee2072 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:14:54

So if I came up to you and said 'you know it's pronounced penne, like sean (which I still can't figure out)' you'd say thanks?

I doubt it. You'd probably be embarrassed and therefore defensive.

Which is what she probably was.

Turniphead1 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:15:14

I worked in a cafe in the 80s that had a cappuccino machine. Some of the pronunciations were hilariously dire. "Cup-ah-teeny" being a real favourite. Of course I always said "enjoy your Capa-chino" but to no avail.
People don't listen. But I would never have corrected them. As, it's rude.

My sisters law says "chorizo" in the most daft way. She should know better. I just smile inwardly.

Mind you I have a mental block about Reisling. Is it "Reesling" or "Rysling". Oh the trials of middle class life. wink

moondog Sun 17-Feb-13 17:15:42

'thigh' food? grin
Bless her. How do you keep a straight face?

Gilets get a mangling don't they?
Beloved by jaunty middle aged Per Una types who have no idea how to say the word properly.

Turniphead1 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:17:54

There's a famous example of an Irish DJ doing a quiz on the radio in the 90s when he asked the contestant what "Mongey Toots" were. Oh, it was a more innocent time back then, vegetable wise.

LynetteScavo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:18:08

Well, at work we all howled when a (educated and worldly wise) collegue mispronouced a common foreign food.

We all now refer to it as that colleague did, but she's a good sport. (Or maybe she now hates us all grin)

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:19:36

Lol at porn, no I meant as in Sean Penn. So Penne proniunced penn.

I say gilet to rhyme with millet JUST to piss my daughter off.

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:21:44

I have an app called howjsay and have just learnt how you say 'meme''

I can take requests if you want

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:22:23

"mongey toots" grin

ok the penne/sean thing

someone upthread said their relative pronounces the word 'penne' as if they are saying the word pen (what you write with wink) but the poster used the actor Sean Penn (sp?) as a reference instead but thought it was enough to just use his first name and that people would get what she meant.

she wasn't saying that Sean is prounounced like 'penne' (the pasta) or that 'penne' is pronounced like porn or anything like that.

grin

Turniphead1 Sun 17-Feb-13 17:22:24

Sometimes a full on "correct" pronunciation of a foreign word is worse than anglicising it. People who do the full on "th" for "z" in Spanish words really get in my tits too.

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:23:10

xpost with getorf

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:23:14

Fucking norah I have just noticed that mumsnet has an etiquette topic.

Just for us budding Hyacinths.

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:23:18

i kno i know it was ZABAGLIONE

If someone pointed out to me that I mispronounced something I'd laugh and ask them if it were really true and then thank them.

Why be nasty and defensive???????

Somethingtothinkabout Sun 17-Feb-13 17:24:04

Turniphead I say it like Rise-ling, but I'm also interested to know if that's correct!

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:24:22

how do you say meme? i say meem, is that right?

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:24:53

My app doesn't know Reisling
It's not that good obviously

BreadForMyBREADGUN Sun 17-Feb-13 17:24:56

How do you say gilet?

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:25:07

Thank you boo - please can you accompany me in my daily life so you can explain things to people when they look hmm at the things have just said all the bloody time grin

happyhorse Sun 17-Feb-13 17:25:27

I have a friend who calls Euros Eurios. I know what she means and think correcting her would be rude as it would make her feel embarrassed. If you knew what she meant then YWBU to have corrected her.

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:25:30

Yes it's meem

Rattitude Sun 17-Feb-13 17:25:32

Oh yes, bruschetta is a good one that many people mispronounce; it should be 'brusketta' not ' bruchetta'. wink

happyhorse Sun 17-Feb-13 17:26:11

Sorry - thought I was in AIBU.

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:26:22

Rees-ling.

Jilly Goolden told me.

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:26:30

Gilet is jeelay

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:27:24

jeelay

bruscketta

adn its LEDERHOSE - not hosen. trousers are SINGULAR in german

and here is my sisters favourite.

right
say "powder compact"
NOTE emphasis on pronouncing of compact.

now say compact disc

what the fuck happens?

Trills Sun 17-Feb-13 17:27:37

In general I'd like to know if I was mispronouncing a word, because there are quite a few words that I know only through reading them and haven't really heard in RL

But if you are insisting that I say a word how it is pronounced by native speakers in a sentence of that language when there is an accepted anglicisation of the word, you need to chill out.

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:27:56

Or was it tagliatelle?

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:28:21

thanks dolly

getorf i would love to accompany you in your daily life- we could be the pronunciation police, OP could join us wink

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:28:28

My app knew bruschetta
Brewsketta
It rolled the r quite impressively

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:28:52

i said remnant wrong for ages

got hoi polloi the wrong way around

discreet and discrete is still hard

I KNOW disinterested ( impartial) and UN interested ( not interested)

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:30:16

Have you tried to speak any Danish? Glottal stops everywhere, like you're from Romford.

FellatioNels0n Sun 17-Feb-13 17:30:26

I am dying to know what the word was. grin It really annoys me when (for example) people pronounce the j in fajitas, or jalepenos, and if it were me I'd want to know if I were making a bit of a fool of myself, but there are limits. And horeetho is an affected accent too far in my book.

It's really hard to judge without knowing the word. My mum got a bit arsey with me once because I couldn't stand listening to her say 'expresso' one more time so I had to correct her. She didn't swear or call me stuck up, but I think she wanted to. grin

Come to think of it, the exact same thing happened years ago when a woman I worked with who I hated kept talking about Ver-Says perfume (meaning Versace.)

I said 'Oh! You mean Ver - sarchy - it's Italian.' and she went into a full-on argument with me about how it could be pronounced either way and I was not right and she was not wrong knobber.

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:30:42

Ok so what IS a meme
I can now say it, but not in a sentence

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:30:44

funnily enough, no, i dont speak Danish

cecilycardew Sun 17-Feb-13 17:30:56

In my experience correcting anyone's pronunciation should only be attempted if you are very very close to them indeed.
What I say to my children is that correcting someone's grammar or mistakes in speaking is usually about as welcome as farting in their living room

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:31:32

i have a name mispronounced ALL THE TIME at least once a day.
after a while you get selective about who you correct

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:31:36

my ds (7) is very precise when speaking, but his little brother has terrible speech (he is 3) and i am constantly refereeing (sp?) arguments between the 2 of them and explaining to ds1 that ds2 cant physically say the words properly. it really gets to ds1. i do worry about what he is like with his friends in school. and poor ds2 gets so upset because his tongue wont do what he wants it to.

Yes, MIL really does say thigh food. and it isnt tongue in cheek! ive got used to it now so i dont even give a smirk!

anyway, let's think of others. I give you.....

Conchiglie - this is why we British call them pasta shells! grin

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:32:17

a meme is an internet craze, like that bridesmaid off the Royal Wedding, that gets reused and recycled.

an in joke/leitmotif

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:32:37

THAI food. thigh food.

thats it thats MINE

FellatioNels0n Sun 17-Feb-13 17:33:08

My FIL always used to say see-a-batty for ciabatta, and dolsa-latty for dolcelatte.

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:33:13

I once pronounced Theydon Bois all frenchy once (when in Essex) oh how they took the piss.

I was a bit annoyed - I think I was right and they were wrong, actually. They should pronounce it like wot I do.

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:33:32

what is it then?

itsakindarabbit Sun 17-Feb-13 17:33:35

If you and she have form for her being touchy/having a go (as per your OP) then I think you should have left it.

Just sounds a bit antagonistic of you, to me.

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:34:09

i get almost furious when people talk about "community service"
that hasnt been a sentence for about 10 years

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:34:14

Thank you!

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:34:42

yes cecily my dsis corrects me sometimes (my accent is a bit fuller than hers) and it's still annoying TBH.

Trills Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:04

A meme is a unit of idea, like a gene is a unit of inheritance.

This is a meme on MN

In the same way a gene's only "purpose" is to replicate and be passed on through the generations, a meme replicates and is passed on from mind to mind. The internet is a good way for memes to replicate.

Successful memes are ones that replicate and are passed on and get into many brains. Unsuccessful memes do not.

Hawaiian pizza is a meme - the idea of putting ham and pineapple on a pizza.
Chocolate and jalapeno pizza is also a meme, but a less successful one (which is why you haven't heard of it and it's rarely found on menus).

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:21

I still call it the 'dole' Belinda
Shows my age doesn't it

ghoulelocks Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:32

if, like my friend, she drinks pee-not greg-ee-oh yanbu

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:49

gah- no the bat is a way better meme

Trills Sun 17-Feb-13 17:35:51

But yeah, most often when people say "meme" they mean an internet joke that gets replicated and modified and repeated.

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:36:57

what do you mean about community service belinda?

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:37:30

I can't believe I fell for that Trills!
<bleaches brain>
I get it now, in fact I'll never forget

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 17-Feb-13 17:37:41

The times I have had my (correct) pronunciation of bruschetta wrongly corrected.
I hate ordering 'a panini'. But I am too bothered about appearing a ponce, to ask for a panino. So I just order 2 sandwiches. Win-win.

I know several people who say Matalan d <wince>

When I first met DH I mispronounced Gestapo (Jest-ar-po). He took the piss relentlessly and still does. I swear at him now, but it's been 23 years FFS.

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:38:11

its called" unpaid work " now.

I think the gmt changed it once. Its like people talking in shillings. GRATES

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:38:38

hahah
h called it dolchiss ( the shoe shop)

time for a new thread

If she was saying lasagne with a hard g then no, you were right to correct her nicely! Most other italian words though, not sure!

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:39:38

Theydon BOYS.

Wrong.

VenetiaLanyon Sun 17-Feb-13 17:40:47

I would so much rather be corrected than keep on pronouncing something incorrectly; seems like I'm in a minority however...I would have appreciated it, OP.

lastSplash Sun 17-Feb-13 17:41:01

I can't believe it isn't Theydon Bwah, I'll have to never go there, I can't change how I think it.

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:41:09

is it like some wood for dirty old men?

HazeltheMcWitch Sun 17-Feb-13 17:41:36

OOh, Theydon Bois, good one. I have been saying it wrong until that thread not that long ago, about commonly mispronounced place-names. I've only said it 'in my head' though, don't think i've ever said it out loud.

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:42:57

My app is almost as much fun as Siri
Who I STILL ask to talk dirty to me <childish>

BitBewildered Sun 17-Feb-13 17:43:20

If anyone, however gently, corrects my DMs pronunciation of anything she HATES them. It comes from her low self esteem and complete embarrassment at being wrong. The best you can do is use the word correctly in normal conversation and hope she gets it.

So, what was the word? I'm dying to know - what if it's one we all mispronounce?!

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 17:43:22

Years ago I made an alteration to a work database and corrected the address to Tooting Beck.

I didn't know it was actually spelled Bec. I just thought someone was a bit thick.

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 17:44:05

shock

i did NOT know that about community service/unpaid work! i have never heard anyone call it unpaid work. we are talking about the stuff people are sentenced to instead of going to prison right? i'm nearly sure Lola in EE talked about doing her community service. so is that wrong then?

BelindaCarlisle Sun 17-Feb-13 17:44:57

shock horror - eastenders gets it wrong!

yup
its been that for YEARS

Lovecat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:50:27

Theydon Boyce, to be phonetically precise smile

And thanks to the East London Lisp, nearby Gants Hill is Gant's Hiww...confused

My mum is wilfully intent on pronouncing the name Lois as Lewis, despite being corrected several times. As one of our friends is called Lois this is somewhat embarrassing.

MyPreciousRing Sun 17-Feb-13 17:50:28

What was the word OP? Really need to know now - it's eating me up inside.

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 17:51:49

Name change op and tell us that way

HecateWhoopass Sun 17-Feb-13 17:56:42

ok, nobody likes being corrected, but there was no need to go potty at you!

and fwiw - you may as well tell us the word, even if you don't, if she's on here, she'll recognise the situation anyway grin

At least she knows now. She can either carry on mispronouncing it or not, that's up to her. And you know to never bother again and just leave her looking like a fool.

TomDudgeon Sun 17-Feb-13 18:06:18

I pronounce things how they are written on purpose.
It helps those who are less educated feel like they fit in and gets on the tits of the snobs

Now shall we have lass-ag-nee or spag-hetty -bolog-nayse for dinner?

Fellatio - you'd be right in thinking anyone who says 'horeetho' for chorizo is an idiot, as it should actually be said 'cho-ree-tho', the 'ch' is the same sound in Spanish - you can enjoy correcting them from now on!grin

edam Sun 17-Feb-13 18:15:00

Many years ago my Mum sold her car through a small ad in the local paper. A bloke turned up at the front door saying 'I've come about the pew-gott'. grin It sounded so nice in board Yorkshire!

Amphitrite Sun 17-Feb-13 18:16:17

Curly - is your MIL Irish?
Nearly all loads of Irish people say Thigh for Thai.

Nah - she's from liverpool, Amphitrite. Never heard an Irish person call it thigh food, though. Will look out for that one!

Bet it's one of the bread products...

It's a spicy pasta sauce. She missed out an I and made it sound like a Caribbean arse!

Now you are all going to tell me I said it wrong although DH who is fluent said I was right and I have had lessons so at least know a bit about pronunciation!

I just thought she wouldn't want to carry on saying it wrong as I wouldn't if it had been me.

A lot of the time I get snapped at. I thought she was rude and offensive in her reply and our supervisor didn't pick up on her reply as I would have done if a colleague sworn at me like that.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 17-Feb-13 18:46:22

Arrabiata? Matriciana?

<none the wiser>

confused

The first one. She put the I after the t.

HecateWhoopass Sun 17-Feb-13 18:48:07

Well, at least you know now to not bother again.

Perhaps just confine yourself to communicating as required for work and don't bother any more. I don't think it's necessary for someone to yell and swear at you even if you have been annoying enough to correct them. wink

FeijoaVodkaAndCheezels Sun 17-Feb-13 18:53:23

Please tell me she asked for a cup-of-chino. I haven't heard that one in such a long time.

Good idea. It's one of those situations where I think I'll end up only communicating on a professional level.

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 18:56:35

I have just said arrabatia to myself and laughed grin

itsakindarabbit Sun 17-Feb-13 18:57:23

So she pronounced it arrabatia?

I cant see why you felt you needed to correct her.

You should just have let it go. Also the "do you mean arrabiata" just sounds really passive aggressive when it's quite clear you knew what she meant.

GetOrf Sun 17-Feb-13 18:57:36

She is an ignorant bugger and rude to boot. Even if she was pissed off with you (which is fair enough if she felt embarrassed about having a mistake pointed out) swearing at you is no way to deal with it.

itsakindarabbit Sun 17-Feb-13 19:00:19

Sounds to me like you make snide digs at her and she overreacts.

Just leave her alone and ignore her.

Trills Sun 17-Feb-13 19:06:01

Whether she was unreasonable or not depends entirely on how you told her, IMO.

Booyhoo Sun 17-Feb-13 19:29:42

tbh if a work colleague had corrected me like that especially infront of someone else (your supervisor) then i would have been pissed off and would make a big show out of calling you over to advise me on pronouncing every bloody word till you got the hint.

bluemintygel Sun 17-Feb-13 20:13:33

There's loads of words I can't say properly because they're like tongue twisters.

Like synonym for example.

I can say it correctly but have to REALLY CONCENTRATE, and if I'm talking fast and informally I don't always bother. I know I do it and don't really mind, and people who know me just accept it, some laugh at me in a nice way and I laugh along with them.

Apart from this one woman at work. Who always corrects me. Once we were just chatting at our desks and I said the word pseudonymised (wrongly) in 3 consecutive sentences and she corrected me ALL 3 TIMES.

And I hate her a little bit. Because she's so anal. JUST LET IT GO!!!!!

Iggity Sun 17-Feb-13 20:35:10

Have never heard an Irish person pronounce Thai as thigh. Considering that a lot of Irish people pronounce "th" as "t", seems strange that they would change this for pronouncing Thai.

Amphitrite Sun 17-Feb-13 20:57:09

It's called hyper-correction. Because we are prone to dropping our h's some Irish people consciously overcompensate by pronouncing the th 'properly' even in words where it shouldn't be pronounced such as Thailand, Thames and Thomas.

nothruroad Sun 17-Feb-13 21:07:54

One of my closest friends at university always said legarthic instead of lethargic. I never told her. We've lost touch now but I still feel guilty sometimes - she's probably said it to dozens of people by now.

used to work with a woman who pronounced guacamole like the animal mole. this was when we were waitressing in a mexican restaurant. i didn't correct her i have to say

discrete Sun 17-Feb-13 21:14:20

People can be a bit weird about these things - in both directions.

When I first came to the UK, someone corrected me on the pronunciation of a word - in my mother tongue.

Apparently because I was speaking English I should have mispronounced it the 'English' way.

I just smiled and shrugged it away. Life is too short to give a damn about things like that....

ProphetOfDoom Sun 17-Feb-13 21:30:49

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Willdoitinaminute Sun 17-Feb-13 21:32:33

I know someone who is always telling us what she has brought not bought. I avoid conversation with her because it annoys me so much. Inwardly I am screaming at her that ' you buy things from shops not bring them'.
I was beautifully corrected the other day by a lovely old Italian lady on my pronunciation of gnocchi. I will be eternally grateful since I love them and have always wondered how you pronounce them correctly.

cecilycardew Sun 17-Feb-13 21:34:42

There is a restaurant near me called the Thai Orchid and I always ALWAYS call it the Thai Orchard. I don't know why, I try hard not to, but then as I start saying it I get a bit panicky and bugger it up.

montmartre Sun 17-Feb-13 21:37:37

"nyockey"?

DollyTwat Sun 17-Feb-13 21:37:53

Anyone here know how to pronounce mhakani
I thought it was mukuni not makarni
I always have it so would like to know

itsakindarabbit Sun 17-Feb-13 21:39:12

Scmaltzing - no - impotent has the same meaning in both examples, i.e. not being able to do something/anything. It's the same word.

Coconutty Sun 17-Feb-13 21:40:35

I'm going to call it Arrabatia from now on, think it sounds much better.

But when I first met DH I did order the Whores Doors from a menu, which we still call it to this day. I mean, H'ors D'oeuvre, who knew? grin

Uppermid Sun 17-Feb-13 21:49:02

You probably embarrassed her and she may have felt patronised. You only ever correct someone if you know for sure that they will welcome it. Otherwise you sound smug and patronising.

Willdoitinaminute Sun 17-Feb-13 21:55:45

Nearly Montmartre- g-nocki the g sounds like the g in gnu.

monsterchild Sun 17-Feb-13 21:58:20

Cecilycardew now you can call it the "Thigh Orchard!"

Branleuse Sun 17-Feb-13 22:03:31

monsieur Branleur is always correcting me over my pronunciation of ratatouille.

Unfortunately I honestly cant hear the difference between the way I say it and the way he says it when he corrects me.

cecilycardew Sun 17-Feb-13 22:33:30

the Thigh Orchard - harvesting thighs
mmm that might be a very different sort of establishment wink

showtunesgirl Sun 17-Feb-13 23:25:13

Ha! My local Thai place IS called Thai Orchard!

cecilycardew Sun 17-Feb-13 23:39:26

well dont tell me that. I really will be confused

showtunesgirl Sun 17-Feb-13 23:41:46

DollyTwat do you mean makhani? As in dal makhani? It's pronounced mark-nee.

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 05:16:40

Edam Pew-Got is one of my all time pet hates, along with Ren-ought and nugget! (nougat.)

I say Purr-geo, with a soft g, although I did here something French recently that made me wonder whether the pew sound might at least be correct. confused

I have also had to stop myself saying lon gerie, for lingerie, as I have learned it should be said lan gerie.

Another thing that gets my goat is Los Vegas. hmm It's Las Vegas. Americans tend to pronounce the a as a long a so it sounds like Lars Vegas, which incidentally sounds the same as the Los in Los Angeles to us Brits. An easy mistake to make I suppose, but do these people never see the word written down? hmm

Having said that, nothing annoys me more than Americans saying 'erbs'. Ut's an utterly unnecessarily and quite bizarre thing to do.

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 05:16:48

It's

Lavenderhoney Mon 18-Feb-13 05:36:12

It would depend how the friend corrected me or if she was right.

Come on, op, what was the word? And will you order it again?smile

Sommeliers don't correct people when they order wine, it makes people feel uncomfortable and they cease to enjoy the evening. No one likes to feel silly.

My dh was once corrected kindly by a shop assistant on his pronunciation of a French cheese. Dh is french and she was Scottishsmile he just smiled.

WhatSheSaid Mon 18-Feb-13 07:01:05

An old colleague of mine used to pronounce Stella Artois as "Stella Ar-toss" grin

littletingoddess Mon 18-Feb-13 07:27:02

I used to get really annoyed whenever I heard Los 'Angeleeees'. It's Los Angeles. It does not rhyme with bees knees.

Turniphead1 Mon 18-Feb-13 09:49:27

Lavender - the word was arrabiata I think.
OP - google You Tube "death star canteen" by Eddie Izzard - the one with the Lego animation.
Features flawless pronunciation of both "penne" and "arrabiata" by Izzard in a comedy context.

MrsDeVere Mon 18-Feb-13 09:55:33

In the 90s when lager in bottles was all the rage, a snotty waiter in Hamstead corrected my pronunciation of Dos Equis hmm. It didn't go down well.

GetOrf Mon 18-Feb-13 10:17:22

Apparently americans say 'erbs because they think it sounds a lot more elegant than Herbs.

They don't realise that to english ears they sound thick and/or Cornish.

The mispronunciation I hear nearly every day is 'Savignon' for 'Sauvignon'. I would never correct a customer but I try to make sure my employees get it right (not very successfully).

And in England everyone says Pinot Greejio (Grigiot), but in Australia it has a hard 'g'. The Aussies insist their's is the correct way - but in England I stick to the English pronunciation.

I used ti know someone who was prescribed co codilol

almapudden Mon 18-Feb-13 10:27:52

Cecily, are you near Shepherd's Bush by any chance?

MrsDeVere Mon 18-Feb-13 10:34:52

If someone was saying poo-nar-ni for that bread roll (whose name infuriatingly escapes me) I would tell them. Because asking for a BLT in a vagina is embarrassing whatever way you look at it.

I have heard it. It happens.

Panini?

MrsDeVere Mon 18-Feb-13 10:42:32

Oh thank you!
I have a cold
I am rubbish and my brain is rubbish
That has been driving me mad.

I don't suppose you know who Maria is do you? I had a missed call from her on my mobile and I don't have a clue. I mean, I know her well enough for her name to come up on my mobile but I don't know who she is confused

ramble, ramble, mumble...

You worked with her 3 years ago and she left as she moved away from the area. She borrowed a book from you which you both forgot about. Shes passing through the area today and wants to give it back.
<spooky music>

Hope you're feeling better soon

GetOrf Mon 18-Feb-13 10:45:24

Lol at maria

Bless you - hope you feel better soon. I have got a terrible stomach ache for some odd reason and am bent double waiting for the BASTARDING circle line along wiht what seems like half of london.

thornrose Mon 18-Feb-13 10:51:00

Was I BU correcting my mum who was about to order a Mulatto confused In a coffee shop grin

LexyMa Mon 18-Feb-13 11:02:21

Colleague I used to work with was helping his PILs renovate a barn in France that was going to be their extended family holiday/retirement home. He said he was getting pretty good at French from having to speak it for a few weeks at a time (we agreed, reminiscing about gap years blah blah).

Then he gave some examples.

Vinn Rogue was the best. Had us laughing for weeks.

moondog Mon 18-Feb-13 11:29:11

ordering a mulatto

grin
<hearty guffaw>

It is pew in Peugeot! It's just you English pronouncing it incorrectly! wink

BIWI Mon 18-Feb-13 11:37:40

Pronunciation of 'herbs' as 'erbs' comes from the French. The French for grass is 'l'herbe' - with a silent 'h'.

What on earth that has to do with the Americans pronouncing it that way I have no idea grin

MrsDeVere Mon 18-Feb-13 11:51:19

Ohhhh that Maria..

getorf I had an IBS attack just as I stepped onto the victoria line (that'll learn me to drink two lattes - pronounced Lar-tays). It was horrible.
Hope your poorly tummy is better soon sad

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 12:00:01

Arf @ I'll have a chicken and mozzarella poonani please love. grin

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 12:01:40

I know BIWI - but I don't get why they choose to treat it as a French word, when he have the word herb in English. confused

have you worked it out/has she rang back? Was I even vaguely right?

i think quite a few of the american/british differences come from french

they use 'pants' too because of the french i think (pantalon, pantaloon in english).

possibly also pitcher for jug (pichet in french), but i don't know the etymology of that word

LovesBeingWokenEveryNight Mon 18-Feb-13 12:25:02

I'd be soooo tempted to say something wrongly when talking to her next grin

IEatCakeInBed Mon 18-Feb-13 12:37:05

My mum gets a bit huffy when I correct her pronounciation of St Pancras (she says St Pancreas) - I try to let it slide, but just can't let it go.

Also when Americans say 'math', maybe they're right but I can't stand it.

I did used to know a Russian girl who said 'hairs' instaed of hair eg. 'I'm off to get my hairs cut'. I always thought that was quite charming...

MrsDeVere Mon 18-Feb-13 12:41:08

I haven't a bloody scooby do SPD. I am too afeared to ring her back. I have no idea why.

I always go a bit squirrely when I have a cold. <bonkers>

MrsDeVere Mon 18-Feb-13 12:42:13

American Sign Language is very different from British Sign Language.
It evolved from the French..

I was in the States once and was asked if I wanted Wers-sesss-ta-shire sauce in my bloody mary.

My mother was Irish and she used love Thai (pronounced Thaigh) food. She also said Thaighland, not Tie-land!

Amphitrite Mon 18-Feb-13 13:05:35

The reason Americans pronounce herbs with an unaspirated H is because originally that is how it was pronounced in English - like lots of other words beginning with h that were assimilated into the language from Norman French - honour for example. It wasn't until the 19th century that we started pronouncing the H in Britain (and think of words like hotel which didn't gain an aspirated H until the early 20th century). American English had obviously been long separated from British English by then. So technically their pronunciation is 'correct'.

Habanada Mon 18-Feb-13 13:08:12

OP I'm like you - if you'd corrected me I'd have laughed at myself, thanked you profusely and possibly got into a discussion about etymology.

Not everyone can laugh at themselves though - sounds like she takes herself way too seriously. Move on, and only deal with her about work stuff in future, that way you're safe.

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 13:46:30

Oh thank you so much for that Amph. I shall never complain again. I love learning things from clever people.

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 13:46:42

Oh thank you so much for that Amph. I shall never complain again. I love learning things from clever people.

FellatioNels0n Mon 18-Feb-13 13:47:03

So much I posted it twice.

Or did you just google that? grin

Amphitrite Mon 18-Feb-13 13:58:22

Glad it was helpful. I didn't google it, I'm a language geek! Also I'm half Irish/half American so have a special interest in non-standard varieties of English.

fackinell Mon 18-Feb-13 15:21:10

I went on a date with a wanker who insisted on ordering for me!! He asked for a bottle of Rioja (and said Rio-ja) the waiter and I were discreetly pissing ourselves. I even had to go to the loo to tell the waiter to stop. He asked us when brought the food if we'd like some JA-lapenos. My cue to crumple into hysterical laughter.

He never got another date.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 18-Feb-13 18:39:14

Gnocchi is pronounced "nyocki", surely? Not "g-nocki"? confused

Why is it not Los Angeleeeeees? Should it not be Los An^h^eles if you want to give it correct Spanish pronunciation?

[even more confused now]

Jaskla Sat 04-May-13 14:15:17

The mention of mongey toots has just reminded me of a wedding I attended as a child.

The woman sitting next to my DM nudged her husband whilst perusing the menu and said, 'What's man-gi toot?' Myself and younger DB had great difficulty keeping straight faces.

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