Triple science can someone help me/advise me for my dd?

(34 Posts)
Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 13:51:00

Hi
If you've read previous threads you'll know my dd has recently moved from state>>private. Plus she has gone down a year (due to bullying)
Anyway at her last school my dd did triple science and at her new school a week in they made her do the exams. This week is results and obviously my dd is gutted with her results because there not high and she's used to being top of the class etc...
Her sciences she did very well in biology and practically failed physics ( she asked for revision material which he didn't give so had nothing to revise and has done no year9 physics before) and then her chemistry has gone well. She's now panicking she won't get into top set science. She would really like to do it having done it previously any advice to calm her or what I should do next?

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 14:35:58

Tutor over the summer hols? First step is talk to the school- you are paying for it!!!- so go and speak to relevant teachers.
Why would her teacher not give her revision material? Are you happy with this considering you are paying for her education?

BackforGood Tue 17-Jun-14 14:58:50

I'm confused. If she's gone down a year, then I'm confused how she didn't do Yr9 physics last year?
If she's used to being top of the class, why has she gone down a year anyway ?

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 15:19:15

I'm confused toosmile
I assumed she'd been put back because she was bullied and this had affected her learning...but this doesn't tally with you saying she was top in her old school. And if she has sat yr 9 tests ( and was in year 9?) then if she's been put back to yr 8 surely the tests are easier- or same applies if she was in yr 10 and is now end of yr 9- surely she's covered the work at her old school if she was a year higher there?

Unexpected Tue 17-Jun-14 15:46:32

OK, had a very quick look at your other threads. She was already in Yr 10, now moved back to Yr 9 and has done some Yr 9 triple science exams in which she hasn't done well. I don't understand how she got through Yr 9 and 10 without apparently doing the Yr 9 Physics though?

Your dd is new to the school so I would think the teachers will cut her some slack for being new and possibly taking some time to get up to speed. However, if I read correctly she has moved from state to private (presumably selective) so she may find that where she was top of her class before she now settles somewhere in the middle of this particular cohort.

If you have email contact with the teachers, I would email the science teacher/HoY/HoScience to explain the difficulty. If your daughter is expected to sort these things out herself, she will need to seek out the relevant teacher, talk through the results and come up with a plan of action to improve her grades - perhaps some revision over summer, perhaps some tutoring or something else? Important to be seen to be proactive.

Worst case, if she ends up doing double, this is not the end of the world. Double is a perfectly respectable GCSE unless she is set on doing something very science-y.

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 15:56:40

I just want to add that if you are paying then you ought not to feel under confident about contacting the school. I used to teach in indy schools and it was expected that parents with concerns would make contact- you are the customer!

I don't understand how she could have missed Y9 physics if she stayed down a year. Surely she will have done it twice?

Are the standards much higher in her new school?

I am sure the science staff will be happy to discuss your concerns.

Hakluyt Tue 17-Jun-14 16:05:29

I would make an appointment with the Head of Science immediately and go and talk about it. You need all the facts before you and dd can do any thinking or planning.

Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 16:15:49

Hi
Her teacher who taught physics only taught one term of year9 science because it wanted to get straight ahead with triple science course.so there's not much she remembers. And I'm not happy at all. My dd is on a busary and funded by charities because of the bullying and how it has really affected her education. She has always being top of her classes. The bullying hadn't affected her learning she just hasn't had a school life she's always had to be mature and serious and hasn't had fun what you should have in a school so the head of her school said it was seriously in the best interest for her to have a extra year at school so she had a bit of childhood. All her triple exams she has done in year10 have being A*s/A's and 1 B so she is suited to the course. She found the biology and chemistry easy but physics is nothing like she's ever done before and the teacher according to her friends isn't a very nice person and does it with every new pupil.as to revision over the hols they'll be no point as she'll be starting work she's done so will find it easy anyway.

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 16:16:36

Maybe the OP made a typo and meant she had done no yr 10 physics at her former school.

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 16:22:36

I'm more confused now. Triple science is all 3 sciences taught singly and the equivalent to 3 GCSE all single subjects ( my son did this.) Double science is still all 3 subjects but they are compressed into 2 GCSE passes so the content of each subject is reduced by a third roughly.

Are you sure that you have got it right because why would a teacher teach 1 term of physics to get ahead with triple science? maybe I'm being dim but I'm lost with this! Are you saying that the physics part was done in the first term and your DD joined the school later than that- and then all that was taught was biology and chemistry?

If she did poorly at physics then why can't you see the benefit of revising that over the summer- she will need to know it well for her exams end of yr 11.

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 16:25:36

You should also talk to the HoD about the unhelpful attitude of the teacher- no teacher in private ed will remain there very long if parents complain and it's justified.

PiratePanda Tue 17-Jun-14 16:32:15

Genuine Q - does she HAVE to do Physics? Obviously if she thinks she might like to do Physics or possibly Engineering at university then yes, but can she just do double science instead?

BackforGood Tue 17-Jun-14 16:38:36

Pirate - the double science is 2/3 of the work load, but incorporates all 3 disciplines - it's not possible to do 'just' chem and biol and leave out physics, you have to do all 3, to get the 'double' award.

I have to say OP, I'm no clearer after your update. As ab987 says, not teaching physics to 'get ahead' with triple science doesn't make sense. You need to talk about this with the school staff though.

Double science is all three. See earlier post.

If she is happy that she can do the GCSE work without the foundation of Y9 then why worry?

If she is just bothered about not coming top, then she will have to learnt to love with it.

Sigh. Bloody iPad.

TeenAndTween Tue 17-Jun-14 16:40:04

To help clarify:

Broadly speaking, the OPs daughter didn't do much y9 physics at her old school as they missed it out. The y9 Physics appears not to be part of the GCSE syllabus either. So the DD was examined on a load of stuff she hadn't really done.

You should be able to talk to the school and explain this, and show results from y10 work at previous school, and make a good case for doing triple.

TeenAndTween Tue 17-Jun-14 16:42:26

ps Although it seems surprising that GCSE doesn't appear to build on y9 I can imagine it could be the case given the 'modular' nature of courses these days. Sorry, can't remember what DD1 did in y9.

camptownraces Tue 17-Jun-14 16:43:51

PiratePanda,,,One third of double science IS physics.

The problem may be connected with the two schools teaching different subject specifications from different awarding bodies. Or, if you like, new school is teaching a different syllabus from a different exam board.

Mother needs to ask new school what can be done to pull daughter out of this hole. And needs to ask now, as they have probably only got another two or three weeks before the summer hols. And be prepared to put in quite a bit of effort at home, before next school year starts.

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 16:52:19

Teen I'm confused by your post too now smile

It doesn't make sense that the teacher at her current school had abandoned physics after 1 term of it 'to get ahead with the triple science' because physics is PART of triple science. I could understand if the teacher had covered the physics in term 1 of year 9, before the DD joined the school, then did biol in term 2 and chem in term 3, or whatever along those lines.

But the DD still needs to learn the physics she missed or didn't grasp, because her exams show she didn't know it.

Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 17:00:27

Hi my dd did 1 term of year9 physics only then the physics teacher started triple science course so they would be able to have more time in year11 revising. Hope that makes it clearer. My dd has had a really could year in her physics gcse course it's just this school follows a more practical every day sort of curriculum like where physics is applied in life rather than what my dd has being doing like nuclear power stations and refraction etc..they have told her for year10 she'll be ahead of the class because she'll know it so that's why there's no need to revise in the hols.

Unexpected Tue 17-Jun-14 17:02:27

Well if they've already told her she'll be ahead in Yr 10, I doubt they are going to refuse to let her do triple, are they? This is beginning to sound like a storm in a teapot.

Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 17:06:12

Well she's covered most of the topics they cover she's done a whole year 10 coursework. They only parts she hasn't done for triple is unit3 in physics and she's done unit1&2&3 in bio and chemistry

Hakluyt Tue 17-Jun-14 17:12:25

Go and talk to the Head of Science.

Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 17:19:57

update
I've rang school my dd is a weekly boarder and I've no means of travelling there so phonecalls emails will have to do. They don't have a head of science it's heads of each sciences but they have a deputy head (curriculum) will ring tomorrow to speak to him

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 17:24:07

sounds as if they are doing completely different exam boards- old school and new school.

Triple science includes physics- that's why it's odd that you say they stopped teaching physics in order to do triple science.

Do you mean they started the GSCE triple science course in Year 9 - where she is now?

It still all sounds very odd and if she is upset about doing badly on 1 part of her tests this summer well she'll just have to suck that up and move on - it's no big deal and you ought not to make it into one.

Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 18:05:18

Old school did gcse triple science aqa
New school do triple science aqa but IGCSE
And she has done gcse physics she just hasnt done a full year of year9 physics and the term of physics she did is nothing like what these years9 do.

ab987 Tue 17-Jun-14 18:13:29

well it's not an issue is it because the teachers will realise that she wasn't taught the content of the exam due to joining the school later in the year.

what you are saying is that she did some of year 10 physics (GCSE) at her old school, but she didn't cover the physics that was needed in yr 9 of her new school due to joining the school half way (?) through the year.

it's not a problem - her teachers will know this and make a judgement.

Dreamgirls234 Tue 17-Jun-14 19:09:54

She's going to go see her science teachers tomorrow what I'm saying is she has done year10 physics so when she goes into year 10 again in Spetemeber she will know what to do etc but what I'm saying is she hasn't done year9 physics work only 1 term preparation. Only because they needed to know it before they could do the gcse version of the topic. Other than the 1 term she's done no other year9 work and she's off to explain what she has and hasn't done tomorrow as she's really panicked.

ab987 Wed 18-Jun-14 08:24:04

Maybe your job is to tell her to calm down!
There is no need for panicsmile
She's come from another school, she has missed some work, this is nothing new or unusual.
I've had a look at your back-posts and see where she is at school- from what I see she is at a very good school so I'm sure they will sort it out.

It's really not a huge issue so you need to try to tell her that and calm her down.
I suspect she's more upset not to be 'top dog' any more in a different school.

Dreamgirls234 Wed 18-Jun-14 11:19:29

She was never 'top dog' she's always endured bullying and for years has being left out so she's never being 'top dog' she was actually bullied for her good results. I think it is just a shock for her when she's not used to low results. It's harder I think for her as she boards so there's no escaping school until Friday when she comes home. Had a text from her and she's off to speak to science teachers at lunch

ab987 Wed 18-Jun-14 11:43:52

You wrote this in a previous post and also said she always got A*s and As.

She has always being top of her classes.

That's what I referred to by 'top dog'.

Dreamgirls234 Thu 19-Jun-14 22:35:29

Update
Thanks to all you lovely mumsnetters who have brilliant advice and support I'm very grateful as it has helped me and my dd.

She spoke to her science teachers (Heads of sciences ) and they didn't know she hadn't covered the work etc they had being a miscommunication error. So her teachers reassured her she would be looked at carefully and with her doing 2 years of triple it would be unfair not to allow her to do it. They have requested her old books from her old school which I've arranged to collect tomorrow and I have emailed them a report on her sciences from January 2014. So fingers crossed she will do triple!
Once again thanks!
One happy mummy and one happy dd grin

Happy it all worked our for you.

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