March 3 Sceondary results/Waiting

(369 Posts)
AdventureTime Mon 27-Jan-14 16:34:05

This is my first post and I'd like to kick start he waiting thread.
DD hoping to get 1st choice grammar but has completely forgot about it all.
How's the anxiety/nervousness/ overall wait?

Journeytolight Mon 27-Jan-14 16:37:20

Sorry meant secondary.

Journeytolight Mon 27-Jan-14 16:41:00

I am AdventureTime by the way but I changed my name so refer to me as Journeytolight

goldie81 Sat 01-Feb-14 07:43:42

Yes very much apprehensive about march. But what will be will be now. Dd did very well in tests so just hope it's enough!

Journeytolight Sat 01-Feb-14 17:08:32

I agree anything that happens was meant to be. Well done to your DD. Best of luck! Only a month to go!

Marmitelover55 Sat 01-Feb-14 17:50:28

This was me last year - good luck everyone smile

ArthursaidMartha Sat 01-Feb-14 17:54:29

I'm in same situation as Goldie. Dd did well in tests so should be ok but school only has a limited number of out of area places so depends how well other out of area girls did. Mostly hopeful but with a sick feeling in the stomach when think about waiting for the email and what we will do if dd doesn't get offered a place.

Glad I'm not the only one with the date on my mind blush smile

goldie81 Sun 02-Feb-14 07:02:46

Best of luck to everyone else. It's actually surprising how quickly the time has come round! I am glad we've got this far as was all very stressful for the tests etc

Journeytolight Sun 02-Feb-14 10:54:54

People at primary school gates don't seem to fussed. I think it's all a cover up though hmm
Our DCs have done so well to get this far! I just hope they are all rewarded!

This was me last year and also have a second Y6 DD this year. She should get a sibling place at the school DD1 got into last year but of course I really want to know...

ArthursaidMartha Sun 02-Feb-14 11:35:48

Ha! Journey - don't believe a word of it. I bet they are. I haven't mentioned it to other parents in dd's class for fear of looking like an obsessive twat but I bet we're not alone. We all live on the outskirts of the schools catchment areas so schools placement day is always a fraught time and lots of gossiping in the subsequent days. Four weeks tomorrow.

Journeytolight Sun 02-Feb-14 12:00:44

ArthursaidMartha hmm, I wonder what parents in DDs class are actually thinking. I hope we can celebrate with wine once it's all over. I'm i the same boat as you as we're out of catchment for a few schools we applied for. It's nearly over!

Journeytolight Sun 02-Feb-14 12:02:25

Marmite and FiveHours, I hope you are here for support! grin

Journeytolight Sun 02-Feb-14 12:11:47

Good luck to your DD FiveHours and everyone else for that matter.

Journeytolight Fri 07-Feb-14 16:21:43
MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Mon 17-Feb-14 08:45:10

Two weeks today!
Dd cool as a cucumber about it. I'm trying and spectacularly failing to be the same.
Dh talking the laid back talk but I know him too well wink
DS completely oblivious to the whole thing grin

Marmitelover55 Mon 17-Feb-14 10:18:20

Yes journeytolight - remembering how stressed I was last year and in fact for the last eleven years, since I realised that we lived on the wrong side of town Good luck everyone (will be md again next year).

Journeytolight Mon 17-Feb-14 21:12:13

Like myarseis, dd is also v. cool about the whole thing. Hope she's like this when it's one day left because I will be chewing my nails till there's nothing on my fingers.

Bring the wine

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 17-Feb-14 21:47:43

We apparently find out after 6pm on the 3rd. I will therefore be obsessively refreshing from about 5.45.....

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Tue 18-Feb-14 06:18:55

It's after 4pm in Kent!

Journeytolight Tue 18-Feb-14 07:41:38

It's on the afternoon of the 3rd for London which last year meant 5pm. AHHH, the date is so close!

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Tue 18-Feb-14 07:54:55

And yet so far away wink grin

Journeytolight Tue 18-Feb-14 10:08:21

I remember on last years thread, by this date there was nearly 100+ posts, this year is less than half. Are people losing interest or are there less of us this year compared to year before?

pointythings Tue 18-Feb-14 10:18:27

It all sounds so stressful that I'm glad not to be in a grammar school area... Our small town has one secondary school, a comprehensive which is rated good. DD1 is there and DD2 will also be going there. I did put another secondary down for both, in another town, but our local secondary is our catchment school and it's fine. One less thing to worry about. Now options... that's proving quite stressful, roll on March 25th and getting that one over with.

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Tue 18-Feb-14 22:47:49

Maybe people are putting it to one side until after half term?
I did think there would be more traffic on this thread!

(Dull alert) I have heard people say this is a low birth rate year but looking at the statistics it is a bit lower than the preceding three years but the subsequent three years are even lower.

No idea. Just us small group of worriers then while everyone else basks in their oceans of calm bastards.

Journeytolight Wed 19-Feb-14 08:40:01

I wouldn't say we are worries, just parents who care about our child's education. Love the last line by the way MyArseIs. I told DD yesterday that there's only about 2 weeks left and she answered "for what?" I guess she needs to join the ocean of calm bastards.

I would say I'm calm but have the date on my mind but no one would believe me sad

Journeytolight Wed 19-Feb-14 08:41:08

I'm not saying that parents who aren't worrying don't care about their child's education for the record.

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Wed 19-Feb-14 08:46:32

Oh I am a huge worrier, I'd like to pretend that I'm not but I blatantly am! It's not on my mind all the time but it creeps in more often than I'd like.

Worrying is such an utterly pointless waste of time and energy, I get cross with myself for doing it so then I'm angry and worried grin

Think I'd better go and throw make a cuppa.
brew

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Wed 19-Feb-14 08:47:41

HA! Yes you were.



Ok. You weren't.

But you were really wink

Alright...

Journeytolight Wed 19-Feb-14 08:56:26

Oh really! Nah, I wasn't saying that! [False Accusation Alert)

I can worry so much about the tiniest of things! I should stop but strangely, for this, I am not too worried but I can't lie, I check the countdown all the time.

And yes, I did use 2 different types of brackets at the start grin

Lovealotofshopping Wed 19-Feb-14 16:52:32

I'm worrying. We are desperate for a place at an outstanding comp which runs a lottery system, It's an amazing school and as such is hugely oversubscribed.I don't envisage any scenario where it will pop up on my screen on Monday week so it's going to be a long haul whilst we wait for people holding on to places in Independent schools to reject their offers and then they start offering down. I know that they were still offering year 7 places up until January this year but most people who wanted a place had one by the summer holidays. Our second choice is only marginally less good academically and DC is happy to go there but DH and I are less keen on it. However, it allocates places on distance and we should get a place on the 3rd or very soon after as they offer as soon a people turn down places.

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Wed 19-Feb-14 17:47:22

Lovealotofshopping - that sounds like a horrible situation to be in. Although, if the comprehensive you want offers a lottery system is there not a chance you could get it on 3rd? <hopeful>

Journeytolight Wed 19-Feb-14 18:52:34

Lovealot, I have sympathy for your situation. I hope your DC will get his/her first choice. Just be positive and things will be fine. Come in March 3rd, hurry up! I'm so impatient [cheeky smile]

Journeytolight Wed 19-Feb-14 18:53:10

Correction: come on not come in

Lovealotofshopping Wed 19-Feb-14 19:33:31

Yes, we could get it on the 3rd and then I will be dancing in the streets but my pessimistic nature means that I don't actually believe that we will be one of the lucky ones. I so hope we are, some people have to be don't they??

Journeytolight Wed 19-Feb-14 20:18:22

Don't worry, just try find something that will make time go faster. Half-term for the kids so we've gone to France which is making time go considerably faster. Go shopping (based on your name wink)
Try not to worry, that will make things a bit worse.

Marmitelover55 Thu 20-Feb-14 10:28:51

Lovesalot - we were in the same situation last year and we did get that lottery school place on 1st March (although my pessimistic nature hadn't let me anticipate this either).

Lots of my friends won't so lucky, but of those that stayed on the waiting list, a significant number did eventually get a place.

Good luck on the third, but don't give up hope if not.

oodyboodyboocs Thu 20-Feb-14 12:38:28

This is the first time I've been worried about a school place. For our 1st choice we are relying on someone else having filled out and returned an essential form to the school which they said they would do but they haven't confirmed whether they actually sent it back.
Our 2nd choice has places allocated on a lottery system.
Our 3rd choice was an insurance that we are in area for and is better than the other closest schools but I want to avoid sending dc there if possible so if we don't get either of 1st 2 choices we will be going on waiting lists.

tiggytape Thu 20-Feb-14 13:33:34

You have to view March 3rd as the start of the process not the end if you don't get what you want.
It can be very hard to be patient - after all the wait from October to March is bad enough but there is a lot of waiting list movement after March 3rd and a large proportion of people who are desperately disappointed in 2 weeks time will be at the school they want by September.

Of course it is lovely to get 1st choice straight away and not give it another thought but it isn't the end of the road if the news isn't good initially.

goldie81 Thu 20-Feb-14 21:43:35

It's just so much stress for everyone- where we are we have to do consortium tests (maths & vr) then we got results Oct & then had to strategically put 4school choices down! Now in my opinion 4 is not a choice but making sure you can't turn round & appeal saying you didn't get one of your choices!
Will be glad when we know for sure but even then like people said there's still lots of movement between schools

Journeytolight Fri 21-Feb-14 10:00:24

It is less stressful to find out if you got your first choice on he third but don't give up hope if you don't get it straight away like tiggytape said. The date is so close now but actually, I am getting less stressed rather than more.

wintertimeisfun Fri 21-Feb-14 12:44:39

just found out dd got offered a good music scholarship today to a really lovely school that dh went to. proud isn't the word :0) best of luck to everyone here waiting for results for secondary school

Journeytolight Fri 21-Feb-14 15:37:46

Well done to your DD winter! Is she going to go to that school then? Read your thread about it before posting and I've got to say that your DD is honestly a v. determined girl without actually seeing her. At least one of us has got their first choice!

steppemum Fri 21-Feb-14 16:46:00

Just found this thread. Was wondering if anyone else was waiting on tenterhooks!
Ds passed his 11+, but that doesn't mean he is guaranteed a place, won't know til the 3rd.
His 2nd choice is good comp, so not over stressing not much no not me
dd1 has birthday party on 1st, so I am distracted planning that.

wintertimeisfun Fri 21-Feb-14 17:14:31

thanks alot journey and yes, how can we not send her there although we will be very poor for the next 7 odd years :0). funny really but she didn't 'prepare' prior to the entrance exam as we were only applying for a (music) scholarship and not a general entrance. she found the vr exam somewhat tricky as didn't do much in the preparation for it beforehand, was relying more on the music side (plus maths/english). she LOVES music, this school has a very good music dept plus dh went there/his mother taught music there so a little in the family/sentimental. we do have a good state comp which i was happy for her to go to. now worrying about finding the money to pay for each term.......his parents put all three of their kids through private schools and aren't wealthy but managed. best of luck to everyone with your dc's schools

littlepurplealien Fri 21-Feb-14 17:16:15

It was a low birthrate round here for dc1, otherwise we wouldn't have got the primary school place that we did as we were out of catchment.

I thought we would find out by e-mail from midnight on 3rd March.

For various reasons we will be going straight to appeal if we don't get first choice but I think we have a very good chance of getting it (touch wood) although its doubly important for us as we need dc2 to have a chance under the sibling priority next time round.

steppemum Fri 21-Feb-14 17:28:24

I think ours is by email on 3rd, and is usually early in the day.

Marmitelover55 Fri 21-Feb-14 17:33:44

Ours came in an email at about 8am. I couldn't bring myself to open the email and had to let DH do it. This was a mistake as he told us with a straight face that DD1 had a place at our least favourite school, when in fact she had got a place in our first choice lottery school...

steppemum Fri 21-Feb-14 17:35:12

grin marmite

Journeytolight Fri 21-Feb-14 17:36:00

Steppemum, yes DD is like your DS as she did pass 11+ but don't know if she's got the place. Ours comes at about 5pm, later than other places.

Journeytolight Fri 21-Feb-14 17:36:56

Steppemum, I get the impression you also are a marmite lover smile

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 17:40:18

Same here steppemum, we get told your child's mark but no pass as such, we just have to wait and see if it's enough....

So do you think we might hear earlier than the stated 6pm? I'm going to be chomping at the bit by then.

Journeytolight Fri 21-Feb-14 17:44:36

I doubt we'll find out before the time stated but anything could happen, nothing's wrong with obsessively refreshing the page, we all do it!

steppemum Fri 21-Feb-14 18:15:56

Shred, we have a pass mark. You cannot apply to the school unless you pass. In theory they set the pass at about the right level so that all who pass get in, but it isn't that simple, as lots of people ask for results to be shared across all the schools, so the school has 500 results and 120 places, but lots of the 500 are heading to one of the other schools.

We think he has passed well enough to be safe, but no guarantees. The system is an exam in itself.

journey - I was commenting grin to marmite about her dh. But yes I am a lover.

..of marmite that is

VivaLeBeaver Fri 21-Feb-14 18:29:23

I remember how awful this was a couple of years ago.

Dd had passed the 11plus but didn't get a place at the grammar. I waited up till midnight to check the website and spent all night crying. Felt wed failed her by not doing what others were doing by renting a house nearer the school and pretending to live there for a year. Traditionally our village has always been in the catchment area but I think more people fiddle by doing the above and now kids in our village don't get in.

We appealed unsuccessfully.

But dd has been ok. She goes to a fairly shit school with fairly shit results and behaviour problems. But she works hard and is doing well. The teachers love her and I suppose there's a lot to be said for been top of the class in a lot of subjects.

So just wanted to say don't be too upset if you don't get first choice school. Its not the end of the world.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 18:31:12

So complicated.

We have:

- home county(A): we know the mark ds obtained, we know the mark that's got in from the previous three years, but we don't know for sure that it will be the same level this year (but it should as it's standardised - so in theory ds is in; BUT school is only partially selective and entry is very very competitive);

- county (B): we know ds has passed, but it's one of those where once you've passed the mark becomes irrelevant, and places are then determined by distance from the school. We are a good distance from the school that would be our first choice; should still get a place but obviously then logistics come into play.

goldie we get four choices in total spread over the two counties. All very bizarre. So we have gone (1) home county partially selective (2) county B grammar (3) home county comprehensive (4) home county comprehensive.

And if you can make sense of that little lot, you ought to win a prize smile...

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 18:33:45

Viva that is so true. I went to the shittiest of shittiest comprehensives, a real failing school in every sense, but I managed a decent crop of O and A levels, went to a good university and got a first in law, and learnt a lot about self-motivation and priorities along the way. Sounds like your DD has her head screwed on the right way.

Journeytolight Fri 21-Feb-14 19:08:54

Too right Viva! It is definitely not the end of the world if you don't get first choice and go to a shitty comp. No one should feel upset if they don't get what they wanted. Maybe it's for the best. For now, only a week and a few days left!

goldie81 Fri 21-Feb-14 19:56:58

Wow shredme that seemed very confusing!
Got an email tonight from county just reminding me results will be emailed 6pm on the mon!!!
But with the consortium test we got told results be out on the mon for me to look at emails & see they'd come a few days early!! Which was quite nice but can't see it happening for actual schools!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 20:05:27

I just got that email goldie. Well DH got it and forwarded it to me saying "this shit just got real". grin

Think we got the consortium result on a Friday rather than the Monday, but yes it would be too much to hope to get it that early when it's a county wide exercise.

goldie81 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:09:27

Shred me where you hoping for??
It's really daunting but end of day dd did as well as I could ask for & that's all that matters.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 21:10:54

First choice Parmiters goldie. Ds is desperate to go there, based partly on their maths facilities, partly on their gym, and partly on the fact that when we did the daytime tour they were serving doughnuts in the canteen grin.

goldie81 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:14:49

Haha!! Fab- our 1st choice too! Do you live close enough on distance? Or are you relying on test results?
Friend of friend was on course recently with head of herts admissions!! Needless to say she was digging for lots of info

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 21:29:27

Absolutely no chance of a distance place, we are 5-6 miles away (but in one of the postcodes) so would be relying on the test results only. DH had to email the admissions lady there quite recently as we only noticed a few weeks ago that the letter of receipt we got for the SIF referred to an application for a sibling place; cue panic that they would be considering us for the wrong type of place. She was very nice, and it was very difficult not to crack and beg her not to tell us anything.....

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 21:31:22

*beg her TO tell us anything....

goldie81 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:37:19

Best of luck! I'm sure you will be fine. What have you put 2nd? I'm hoping for par tiers so that my ds's can follow on & I don't need to stress again like this in few yrs!!!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Fri 21-Feb-14 21:43:45

Second is one of the Bucks grammars, just about do-able for us but ds has set his heart on Parmiters .... yes I have two other ds, one in the current year 5. The thought of going through the 11+ again fills me with doom so I'm afraid all the responsibility is on ds1's shoulders.

Good luck to you too, fingers crossed for good news in er just over a week.

goldie81 Fri 21-Feb-14 21:49:39

Yes not long now!!! I'm sure they'll be something on here about all the results!

MyArseIsbiggerThanYours Fri 21-Feb-14 22:46:36

<fret>

Raw scores for Kent seem to indicate the super selective cut offs this year might be slightly lower than last year as there were less very high scorers.

Don't know if that helps anyone but I've read it on two different websites.

I'm not obsessing, me, as if

goldie81 Fri 21-Feb-14 22:59:02

Well fingers crossed for you in kent.
Herts I've heard poss slightly higher but not enough to make huge difference but time will tell

Journeytolight Sat 22-Feb-14 08:41:31

MyArseIs, that's good news! I hope it's the same for other areas.

Seems goldie and shred are in bucks, I have no one though sad

It's so close to March 3rd that I can almost touch it!

Zingy123 Sat 22-Feb-14 09:10:12

Just found out our 3rd choice has had an awful ofsted. It is the only school we are guaranteed as dd is at a feeder school. Fingers crossed we get 1st choice or even 2nd. It seems like a lifetime ago that we applied.

Journeytolight Sat 22-Feb-14 09:31:43

I wonder why it takes so long for the results to come.

Surely the LA can give out results earlier!

Dancergirl Sat 22-Feb-14 09:51:40

Another nervous 11+ mum checking in!

Dd has her heart set on girls' grammar. No catchment, test marks only. But school doesn't release test scores or ranks, all we know at this stage is that she's in the top 250 out of over 2,000. But only 93 places so we are on tenterhooks.

I suspect she will take it badly if she doesn't get in. We had disappointing indie results, only one offer out of 3 applied to.

Best of luck to everyone waiting.

MmeMorrible Sat 22-Feb-14 10:04:02

Can I join the waiters? DD is completely desperate for a place at a state boarding school that is fairly local to us. She also did quite well at the 11+ but one of our two grammar school options introduced a catchment area last year which we fall outside of by 0.5km. Don't think her score will be stellar enough to net a place at either these but have put them down as 2nd and 3rd choice.

She does have an offer of a place and a good music scholarship (1/3 fees plus free music tuition for first instrument) from a local indie which was her first choice until we went to the state boarding open day.

Just want to know where she will be going in Sept!

Journeytolight Sat 22-Feb-14 10:08:26

Dancer, is the school HBS by any chance?

DD gave the test for there but it's no6 on CAF due to a very very long commute.

Dancergirl Sat 22-Feb-14 10:50:37

Yes it is journey

Do you happen to know of anyone else who didn't place it first? I'm trying to work out our chances!

Journeytolight Sat 22-Feb-14 10:59:13

In DDs class one is turning down in favour of indie. Another also because of commute. Friend's DD put it down as no5 and her 3rd choice is v. likely so not going to HBS. That's all the people I know not including myself.

goldie81 Sat 22-Feb-14 12:21:58

Journey I'm in herts but think shred has applied to herts & bucks schools. I'm just going with consortium schools. Just clinging to fact that scores have been standardised so shouldn't increase too much. Is that right???

WantToKnowNow Sat 22-Feb-14 13:35:44

Goldie, I don't know whether that's right but am also hoping that it is! DDs score would have got her a place in all the last years that I can find data for but is not high enough to be 'safe' IYSWIM. I can't wait to get back to school/work on Monday...just want this last week to go faster than half term has. I've had far too much time to dwell on it this week!!

goldie81 Sat 22-Feb-14 14:45:44

I don't really get standardisation even though read up on it- still don't want to 'believe' it all! I know far too long to dwell! Luckily things been mad here this wk & think next wk will be busy enough. Yes same for dd- I went on elevenplusexams & they had results going much further back than on schools websites but unless it's in black & white I'm not getting my hopes up!!

Oh you poor things, I so remember these feelings this time last year. Offers day is the longest day ever too sad

WantToKnowNow Sat 22-Feb-14 15:38:47

Same here.....although I'm dreading it being a near miss & having to sit on a waiting list for months, maybe still not getting anywhere!! That would be very hard for a ten year old to deal with... knowing that they did their best, which would have been enough previously but not when it counts.. In the meantime, I try to remind DD that she liked all four schools when we visited but she's adamant that she only wants to go to Parmiters. Hey ho, at least the countdown has started now!

goldie81 Sat 22-Feb-14 15:55:36

They've done their best & if that's not good enough then parmiters not worthy enough of having my dd!!! Haha!!

Journeytolight Sat 22-Feb-14 16:05:41

Goldie, you took the words right out of my mouth regarding the above post. Only one school we put down is pretty much guaranteed but that's a really shitty undersubscribed comp which I don't think DD would be too happy about if she gets a place there and nowhere else.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sat 22-Feb-14 16:23:35

Yes I'm in Herts but have applied to Bucks too. Though we are unlikely to take the Bucks option if offered, mainly due to distance. Plus poor old ds2 would have to go through the 11+ himself this coming September.

I too have read all the stuff on standardisation but not having a degree in statistics has somewhat hampered my ability to get it wink. However, my general understanding is that while the cut off score in March might move a mark or two, it seems to even itself out to a very consistent level by September at the latest.

goldie81 Sat 22-Feb-14 17:27:29

I think that's the case very much the case with standardisation. I did have a friends hubby go through it all got me & he reckoned a statistical certainty but who knows. All of dd friends seem to have done so well this yr that it's impossible they all get a place!
At the end of the day despite me not wanting dd to go to some of the schools that I see are a bit crappy, I do know kids that have gone to these schools & flourished!
Aaaaahhhh wish we just knew now- enough waiting!!

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 07:45:44

1 week and a day left. I'm going to tell DD that it's only nearly a week left today. I wonder if she will be calm or not, well I'm not

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sun 23-Feb-14 08:09:20

My dd is calm on the surface but there's been a few questions like 'what time will the email arrive on 3rd' - 'will I know before I go to school that day' etc so it is obviously on her mind a bit.

Am I the only Kent parent on here?!

(psssst it's me myarseis... forgot I had name changed grin)

Rabbitcar Sun 23-Feb-14 08:21:43

Dancergirl, we are waiting for HBS too. We have indie offers, but DD2 is desperate to go to HBS as DD1 goes there, and DD1 really wants DD2 to go there too. Not sure how much work I will get done on Monday 3rd, refreshing my email all day! But I am moving to a new dept and DD2 has a music exam that day, so am hoping that will distract us! Btw DD2's friend in the top 250 will not be accepting the place as she is going to an indie. Good luck!

OddBoots Sun 23-Feb-14 08:29:47

We're waiting too. I'm 99% sure dd will get her first choice but there is always that chance - her first choice is the only one she could reasonably walk to.

Thankfully there is no 11+ or even any suitable Indy schools near here so all the schools are proper comps with no creaming off.

Dancergirl Sun 23-Feb-14 08:48:15

Good luck to you too rabbit

What are your indie options? My dd has a place at St Helens where dd1 is. She didn't get either Habs or NLCS which I was surprised about and she's taken it very hard sad Its so tough for them.

Dancergirl Sun 23-Feb-14 08:49:16

Does anyone know what time the email might arrive on the 3rd? I have only heard 'evening'

goldie81 Sun 23-Feb-14 09:33:31

Had an email saying they'd be sent out after 6pm on the 3rd! At least that means we have an eve to digest before facing other parents in playground!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 10:02:22

So do we actually get an email, or do we have to log in first to the allocation website after 6pm and its on there?

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 10:08:47

Both.
You get an email telling you that the results are ready to be viewed. You can then log on and view the outcome.

In fact you can probably log on at dead on 6pm even if your email hasn't arrived but they try to encourage people to wait for their email to come else the whole system might crash as happened in some previous years with too many people trying to log in all at the same time.
The letters confirming the results will arrive in the mail the next day.

Rabbitcar Sun 23-Feb-14 10:08:50

Dancergirl, well done to your DD. DD1 got a Channing scholarship and offers from NLCS and CLSG. Will probably accept Channing if she doesn't get HBS, as it's nearer home. We feel that closeness to home is more important than being in a top ten school. DD1 has been very laid back about the process, and doesn't seem at all concerned; if she doesn't get into HBS straightaway she seems to think she will get in off the waiting list! hmm DD2 is more stressed on her behalf. Your DD did very well, so shouldn't take it hard. I keep telling my DD that she did well enough to get into the last 250 at HBS as plenty weren't that lucky.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 10:11:13

StripesSpots, yay, myarseis is back!

Before reading your whole post, I was about to reply, myarseis is in kent but then I read that you are myarseis.

One question, can you view the results before you get the email?

Rabbitcar Sun 23-Feb-14 10:12:17

I checked my old emails, and with DD1, the email came at 5.20.

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 10:12:26

Yes you can but they ask parents to wait for the email so the system doesn't crash with the weight of people all logging on at the same time and constantly clicking refresh.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 10:23:50

I'm going to log on without email grin

I just need to know so the wait is over.

Is anyone going to wait for the email?

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 10:24:45

Ah, got it - thanks.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 10:30:48

You rebel, journey smile

I don't pick ds up until 5.30 on a Monday due to an after school club so chances are I won't find out until gone 6 anyway.

goldie81 Sun 23-Feb-14 10:34:49

Well we'll be at netball 6-7 so along with all the other parents there so not sure if I'll want to find out then or wait till home

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 10:36:01

DD won't find out till 8pm because of backtoback clubs.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 10:37:21

Has anyone here not put six choices on CAF?

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 10:44:49

I know some people who haven't Journeytolight. Normally it is where they are as close to certain as they can be that they'll get in eg they have a sibling at the school already.
Obviously this would be a hugely risky thing to do at primary level (there are plenty of primary schools where not all siblings get a place) but at secondary school level, they know that with 200 - 300 places, they are probably safe in assuming the sibling will get in (where sibling is the first priority after LAC of course).

Some people also only apply to state schools half heartedly eg they have 3 private school offers and fully intend to take one of these but, almost out of curiosity, also applied to the 2 best comps in a 5 mile radius. They know the odds of getting an offer at either are tiny but they have nothing to lose and don't bother with 6 options as they'd go private rather than accept anything other than those 2 preferred schools.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 12:04:30

We put four choices, our third choice is pretty much guaranteed on distance so even with a fourth choice there really wasn't any point going further.

What I don't get is people that put a totally wasted choice down. I know two people who have put a church school first that requires church attendance to be signed off on a SIF, despite not having done this. Why waste a choice?

Has anyone heard from Habs girls? I don't have a dd but am crossing my figures for a friend of ds. She unexpectedly didn't get an offer for another independent I really thought she would get into, so am hoping she gets better news (she has a sister at Habs).

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 12:34:49

What I don't get is people that put a totally wasted choice down. I know two people who have put a church school first that requires church attendance to be signed off on a SIF, despite not having done this. Why waste a choice?

Many people have wasted choices. It simply isn't possible for most people to live close enough to 6 schools to stand a chance of a place or to meet the various other criteria needed to qualify for 6 schools.

I suppose a child who has passed two 11+ exams, is Catholic and attends weekly mass, has a sibling at the local comp and also has a nearby comp that uses lottery admissions might be an example of someone who has 6 genuine school chances.
Most people however live near a comp they are pretty certain to get a place at, another one or two that is less certain in terms of distance and may possibly also be near a school using fair banding or lottery or selection of some sort.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 13:56:28

Regarding wasting choices, I think maybe they thought that maybe that year would be undersubscribed for the requires church attendance rule and they may take non believers. This is the case in DDs school at least.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 14:04:01

Not this school - hugely oversubscribed with a very tight catchment. It really is a pointless exercise, all three secondaries in the town are full to the brim and in wasting a choice you run the risk of getting a school miles and miles away. Some children in the villages are regularly allocated no school at the initial allocation stage or the school in special measures ten miles away.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 14:26:31

Well in that case, then yes people shouldn't waste choices. They know they won't get it on allocations day so why bother when you could have put a school where you actually had a reasonable chance to get admitted to.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 14:30:57

It is a bit of a fine balance though. And things can change. One of my neighbours teaches at a Catholic primary which is now so over subscribed that they can no longer guarantee places for Catholic siblings. Ten years ago they were taking non-Catholic children from out of county.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 15:22:01

So how is the wait for everyone?

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 15:22:14

Nothing is ever certain.
There is no harm in putting a massively popular school as your first choice as long as you also list a realistic choice on your form. Listing a long-shot first choice doesn't harm your chances of getting the realistic option you placed lower down if the higher ranked ones don't work out. The equal preference system ensures you don't lose out by not having listed a realistic choice first.

It would be very unwise to only list wasted choices though - to list 6 schools all miles from home that everybody is trying to get into means you probably won't qualify for any of them. And in that case the council has to allocate you a school from the ones with more places than applicants i.e. usually miles away or not very good.

Most people list the schools they really want in positions 1-3 even if there is little hope. You never know - this might be a blip year and they might get lucky (at primary school for example it is worth doing this in case the council open a last minute bulge class)
Then people use position 4 (or 4-6 for London and other areas) for their less liked but more realistic options. Some people use the last position for the school they are almost certain to qualify for on distance but don't really want at all figuring that a poor school 5 minutes from home is at least better than an equivalent school 3 miles away.

Meery Sun 23-Feb-14 15:40:42

Hello. Anyone from Hampshire out there? Just wondering when they are likely to email, would like to know as soon as otherwise im going to spend the day fretting!

Also has anyone got any gossip about swgs admissions? That's our first choice but we are a distance away.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 15:43:38

But for a church school that requires two years active attendance at church, and for that fact to be signed off by a vicar at one of the recognised partner churches, as well as living within catchment? When you don't go to church, don't live in catchment, and didn't return the form? The school is oversubscribed by at least four to one. There are long shots, and there are long shots!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 15:47:24

journey I think the wait has been fine so far, but I feel like the pressure will be cranked up nicely by next weekend. Ds is the only child in his school that sat the 11+ so we are at least spared the gossip factor in real life. Lots of the girls are getting the results in this week and next for independent schools, and its been very very tough for them and their mums.

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 15:52:45

This might be the year that another faith school 1 mile up the road got an even better Ofsted and all the people who meet the faith criteria for the popular school are suddenly applying there instead.
You are right - they are highly unlikely to get a place at such a school if they don't qualify for the faith criteria BUT virtually nobody has 6 schools that they have a realistic chance of getting into so most people will be listing long-shots.

By applying for this faith school and not getting it, they haven't lost anything as long as they have listed a more realistic school somewhere on their form too. And they get to stay on the waiting list for the church school as well.
They will be lower on the list than other people but if they wait long enough they could still get in (offers from the waiting list made after term starts in Sept are often declined so a person who is way down the list can get in if everyone above them declines it because their child is settled elsewhere). It can be a longer term strategy.

Finally if you don't apply for a school, you cannot then appeal against being rejected for that school. Some people may have a good reason for wanting this school and want to be heard at appeal. By listing it, they keep that option open to them.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 16:00:05

Well, all true. I think it's not a good idea IF as in the case I'm referring to you need all six choices to count. I know from friends experiences that the more likely scenario is that they will be allocated School X ten miles away if they don't carefully list six schools they have a genuine chance of being allocated, but it's really not my decision, is it?

WWOOWW Sun 23-Feb-14 16:06:28

Only just found this thread. I only put two schools on the CAF. First choice is a school with exam entry and only 65 places. Second is a very good local school. Not bothered either way really.

Waiting to find out here too. Don't think I need to worry but you never can tell.

I already have 2 dd's at secondary school, but have chosen a different school, further away for ds as it suited him better, so I have fingers crossed.

moldingsunbeams Sun 23-Feb-14 16:23:30

Us! Everyone in dds class has the feeder school down bar us, dd hated it.

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 16:24:20

I think I have missed what you are saying Shred because nobody needs all 6 choices to count
Equal preference means the council looks at your first choice. If you qualify you get it. If not your 2nd choice becomes your first choice and so on.
If you list 6 schools and qualify for them all, you get number 1 on your list.
If you list 6 schools and qualify for number 6 by living 0.2miles away from it, you get a place if someone who lives 1 mile away put it as their first choice and doesn't get in.

Therefore, if choices 1-4 are total pie in the sky it doesn't matter a jot as long as either option 5 or 6 is a realistic school that you live close to or have a sibling at.

You are right though. If choices 1-6 are all pie in the sky, you'd be in trouble because you won't get a school just because you listed it. You also have to qualify. And if you don't qualify for any of the 6 you listed, you get sent to a school that has more places than aplicants (miles away, not very good or both)

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 16:26:34

That should say even if.
A person who lists a school 6th gets priority for it if they live closer than a person who listed it 1st but lives further away.

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 16:30:02

DDs friend came over today and told DD about how March 3 is so close and that they'll find out what secondary they are going to. I was going to tell DD myself and now, DD won't stop asking questions but now she's busy drawing and I'm happy about that. I don't want her to become worried and obsessed like me.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 16:38:56

That's what happens every year tiggytape - we have a village near here that is (effectively) between three major towns. The village used to have a secondary school but it was shut down and the site sold for housing.

The net effect is that if you are a child living in that village, it is essential that you put down all six choices that you would find acceptable, in descending order. If you waste your choices the chances are you will end up with the unpopular school ten miles away, so better to list a school as choice 6 rather than get landed with the school that nobody wants. The village used to be in what was called the outer catchment for the faith school, meaning that IF you followed all the rules you had a slim chance (but as good as anyone in the outer catchment) of getting a place. The catchment has now been re-drawn so the village no longer qualifies.

It's sad, but every single year the local paper features children who have been allocated the unpopular school ten miles away and whose parents are desperately unhappy. In some of those cases they didn't list six schools or only listed the faith school "because X really really wanted to go to a Christian school."

mollythetortoise Sun 23-Feb-14 17:04:46

Can I ask a quick question? Choice no 4 is a banker a s 2 mins walk away and the school my dd wants to attend. I ppreferred 3 other schools so listed them 1-3. I am now regretting choice 3.
If we get choice 3 can we go on waiting list for choice 4?
My mistake so I obviously wouldn't appeal etc. I would still prefer options 1 & 2 so hope we get one of those.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 17:07:47

Yes I think so molly, I think you accept 3 then go on the waiting list for 4.

SweetPenelope Sun 23-Feb-14 17:10:02

Molly, you can go on the waiting list for lower preference schools, but you have to request it.

You automatically go on the waiting lists for higher preference schools.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 17:16:11

Does anyone with experience of waiting lists know......do you get told where you are on the waiting list for a particular school?

mollythetortoise Sun 23-Feb-14 17:16:31

Thank you both. That makes me feel better as we'd be high up on the waiting list due to distance. I was worried I had let my dd down with putting choice 3 school before the one she actually wants to go to!

Journeytolight Sun 23-Feb-14 17:27:20

One question, when we do find out offers, will we just know if you got into the school you placed highest or will you find out about schools you put lower down although you already got a place at say your first choice?

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 17:33:13

I assume you only find out about your first choice, as your subsequent choices will have been allocated to others? I kind of imagine it works like a cascade system, where you only proceed to the next level if you don't get your higher ranked school (so the lower ranked school isn't considered). But er that could be totally wrong....

AnimalsAreMyFriends Sun 23-Feb-14 17:49:13

Waiting nervously here. After a disastrous experience with a boys grammar school for ds1, dd has put the girls grammar as first choice, but I'm just not sure about it. Roll on March 3rd, so that at least we know what we are dealing with!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 17:52:41

Exactly Animals at least once you know you can start dealing with it all.

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 18:04:31

Does anyone with experience of waiting lists know......do you get told where you are on the waiting list for a particular school?

Not immediately. They normally wait until mid March until the acceptance slips are back and any newly freed up places are ready to be reoffered before they tell you. The situation on March 4th will be very fluid. You may be 10th on the waiting list but 15 people may decline the offer and go private so you may end up getting an offer very soon after March 3rd without waiting long at all.

One question, when we do find out offers, will we just know if you got into the school you placed highest or will you find out about schools you put lower down although you already got a place at say your first choice?

Shred is quite right.
You just get told which school you have been offered. You can assume that means you didn't qualify for any you listed higher on the form but there will be no information about ones you listed lower.
If you have changed your mind and want a school lower on the list, you will have to ask to go on the waiting list. Even if you would have qualified for a place initially, that chance is now gone and you will have to wait to see if you can get an offer there.

goldie81 Sun 23-Feb-14 22:10:17

Why can't we just find out tomorrow??? Going to be a wk of stress!

GoldenBeagle Sun 23-Feb-14 22:20:42

Journey: You only get one offer, there are no other offers. They allocate you the place in the school highest up your list that was able to offer you a place. If a school lower down your list would also have been able to offer, that place 'falls in' as soon as a higher preference offers you a place and goes to the next person on that schools list - and so on.

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 22:40:23

goldie - it is set by law.

There is a national offers day and all admission authorities have to abide by it. They are doing the same for primary schools too.

It is better than the old system though whereby people who applied to certain schools found out weeks before others or people who lived in some towns had to wait much longer than neighbouring towns to get the results.

The amount of checking and admin involved is huge. It really does need months to sort it out even with software to do many of the address checks and the offers matching.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 22:53:36

At least now for the Herts Consortium tests we get the marks our children achieved before we make the application. This is very recent, and avoids a lot of unnecessary heartache (IMO). At least now you have an idea whether your child stands a chance rather than blindly applying for places.

Yes I can imagine it's a mammoth exercise, especially when your application is going to more than one county.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 22:56:53

But actually I'm also heartened to hear that checks are made. One of my friends received a letter to a person she had never heard of but at her address, which was stamped with the name of her DD' s school. She took it into the school, and to cut a long story short, somebody else had deliberately used her address to apply for a place. Can't believe somebody would be so cheeky!

tiggytape Sun 23-Feb-14 23:12:16

somebody else had deliberately used her address to apply for a place

Wow - that is very cheeky indeed! Not even a grandma's address (which would also be found out now with the extra checks they do) but a perfect stanger's address!

In the past, they didn't always check very much if at all. Now most councils are very much on top of this - oversubscribed schools especially have to make sure people aren't cheating due to demand for places.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Sun 23-Feb-14 23:19:35

I guess the person who applied didn't know my friend had a DD already at the school and maybe thought it would all be done by email? I was surprised the school hadn't noticed the applicant had the same address as an existing pupil, but then why would they unless they were specifically alert to it? This was about three years ago.

tiggytape Mon 24-Feb-14 08:32:05

The council do automatic council tax checks now to tally names and addresses so it would have been picked up along the way if it happened now.
Even if the school are an academy and do their own admissions, the council still does a basic check on each applicant and then more detailed checks on any suspicious cases. Things are much tighter even from just 2 years ago because demand is going up in most regions and people are more tempted to try these things.

sandyballs Mon 24-Feb-14 08:44:46

I feel for you all, it seems a long wait. I was waiting two years ago, our first choice was a very good comp less than a mile from our house that most of the primary school go to. The second was a failing academy four miles away.

Opened that email and discovered my DDs had been given the failing academy, didn't help that it was their birthday too sad. They were very upset. I had to accept the places at the academy and went on the waiting list for the comp. If I remember rightly I was told their place on the list at end of March/beginning of April. It did move though, we went down the list for a while. I was on the verge of appealing when I had a phone call to say they were both in, i think this was early May.

However, don't be too disheartened if you don't get your first choice as this 'amazing' comp is struggling a bit at the moment, not such a good Ofsted this year, lots of teachers leaving and the 'failing' academy has turned itself around with a new head and is doing extremely well.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 24-Feb-14 11:10:33

tiggytape - I'm glad to hear it! It's horrible that the checks have to be made, but absolutely the right thing to do.

sandyballs thanks for sharing your experience especially with regard to the waiting list.

moldingsunbeams Mon 24-Feb-14 11:52:28

Our council say they will tell us on 1st, is that a mistake? is it a national day?

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 24-Feb-14 11:54:01

I thought it was a national day - 1st is the Saturday which sounds unlikely. Ah, was it Monday 1st last year? Maybe an error.

moldingsunbeams Mon 24-Feb-14 12:30:23

no ive checked last year was 4thconfused

moldingsunbeams Mon 24-Feb-14 12:32:09

it says emails and letters go out 1st March 2014 (so to be received Monday for letters I guess) but offers will be online 1st March 2014. I thought Saturday was strange too.

tiggytape Mon 24-Feb-14 12:52:52

Our council say they will tell us on 1st, is that a mistake? is it a national day?

National Offers day is set by the Admissions Code so is the same for everyone. It is always on March 1st except when that falls at the weekend in which case it is the Monday after.

steppemum Mon 24-Feb-14 14:22:36

The website for us said 1st for a few months and then it was changed to the 3rd, presumably when they realised it was a Saturday.

According to the 11+website, for us it is 9am on Monday.
I wasn't nervous, had pretty much decided what will be will be, but now I realise how much i want him to go to the Grammar. ds is oblivious, doesn't even know when he results are out.

moldingsunbeams Mon 24-Feb-14 14:32:07

ah ok, that's going to go down well with sen dd whos counting down grin

Journeytolight Mon 24-Feb-14 17:17:03

DD has made her own mini calendar since 'everyone' in class has done it. I'm not too happy about that since now there's me, the trying to be calm one, DD1 the excited one and DD2 the one who has no idea her sis is going to get her results. Great!

Dancergirl Mon 24-Feb-14 22:43:14

So according to which council you are, you could get your email on Sat 1st???

Better not tell dd that!

StripesSpotsNoChecks Tue 25-Feb-14 06:47:54

Blimey Journey! I haven't heard that sort of thing from dd - I wouldn't be surprised though. I think I'll keep quiet for the mo I think. My mum phoned last night and was asking when d-day was and the scenarios if dd doesn't get the school she wants. I had to keep it fluffy and optimistic because dd was sitting next to me but I wanted to shout I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'LL DO MUM! We cannot afford to send dd private so not an option and we're too late for applications anyway, not to mention we really don't want to.
I'm reasonably positive we should get dd into a grammar at some point but I'm not keen on it being July when all the appeals/waiting list shite has finally finished. Not good for my dd's or my sanity <big fat raspberry blowing emotion>

kernowal Tue 25-Feb-14 09:51:56

Meery Last year Hants had emailed everyone between 6.30-7.00am. We had a good breakfast that day!

moldingsunbeams Tue 25-Feb-14 12:37:44

all of dds class aren't slightest bit bothered as its pretty much given they will go to feeder school infact most only put there as a choice. dd hated it so im on pins.

Fannydabbydozey Tue 25-Feb-14 14:07:00

I'm trying not to worry. We live very close to my sons chosen school (600m) but he's desperate to go there. It's our nearest school and according to the criteria we should be in but... We've had a weird school allocation in the past and an outright lie about school places when we were returning from abroad and I now don't trust the council allocations department...

I'll be at work that day. It's either going to be a bad evening or I may have to slope off to the pub and have a celebratory wine.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Tue 25-Feb-14 15:37:17

Was just having a nosy at the 11+ forum for Herts, and someone has explained the reason why the emails are sent outside office hours. It was suggested that the first year they were sent out earlier in the day, schools were faced with the problem of parents physically turning up at the relevant schools. So that seems to explain why 6pm is the time chosen.

Those who have been through it before are saying that they could arrive anytime between 5 and 10pm.

tiggytape Tue 25-Feb-14 16:36:50

In previous years people have described their vision of an admissions office at 5pm on National Offers Day: one staff member with their finger hovering over the "send" button and one with their finger on the light switch ready to make a run for it.

The later timing does give people time to take it all in, think about their options and gather their thoughts before they ring the next day and make more enquiries (assuming they need to of course, for many the news is good and they might just want to know about how to reply)

MN is very useful though and people who get unexpected results often post here and get lots of help and advice.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Tue 25-Feb-14 19:12:13

I wouldn't blame them at all, imagine the stress! I'd be lying in a dark room by March 3rd with a cold towel on my forehead and a glass of wine by my side wink

goldie81 Tue 25-Feb-14 20:03:39

So would I shred!
But come mon eve I'll def be having a glass or 2of wine!!

Deecam18 Tue 25-Feb-14 22:14:05

I have been watching this thread and thought I'd add myself to the other stressed parents for a bit of hand holding. DD has friends in every school I we have chosen so is not bothered, her words not mine. I on the other hand have no patience and am happily counting down, thought I'd join parents in the same boat especially if you live in a London Borough as I do.

Meery Tue 25-Feb-14 22:19:06

Thanks kernowal

i got an email yesterday saying they email in am. Let's hope it's early again this year (and good news!).

Just want to know now.

goldie81 Tue 25-Feb-14 22:25:12

Only 6sleeps!!

StripesSpotsNoChecks Tue 25-Feb-14 22:26:40

Deecam - yup we're right on the edge of Borough of Bromley too so applying to Kent schools. Are you looking at Bexley schools too?

Deecam18 Tue 25-Feb-14 22:47:03

Strips- I'm across the river in NE London with a bottle of wine to console me come March 3rd. I don't think I'll make the weekend.

Journeytolight Wed 26-Feb-14 07:53:26

Wine? You guys are weak, vodka or gin and tonic for me!

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 10:26:56

We find out on 28th Feb. Is that a bit weird?

tiggytape Wed 26-Feb-14 10:31:11

Are you sure?
National Offers day is the 3rd. It is set nationally and all areas have to stick to that date. It isn't a regional thing anymore.

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 10:32:27

Our paper work says that and I've just checked the council website. Strange....

winniethepoor Wed 26-Feb-14 11:13:47

Anyone has any idea whether we can call up our first choice grammar school to ask about the ranking of my DS. I have another private school offer which I need to pay deposit to reserve a place before noon on 3rd March. I do not think the grammar school results will be out by then. DS' first choice is the grammar school we put as 1st choice if he can get in.

icklemonst Wed 26-Feb-14 12:09:55

ask the private school for an extension to the deadline - we are in a similiar position and the private school has given us an extension as the CAF results aren't released in our area until the evening of 3rd so impossible to consider the results and make a decision prior to schools shutting shop for the day on the 3rd!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Wed 26-Feb-14 12:16:25

Yes absolutely ask the private school for an extension. This has been discussed a bit on that 11+ forum, and it seems a fairly common situation - one of my friends has just asked for a few days extra and the private school was unfazed by it.

LadyMuck Wed 26-Feb-14 12:17:37

Winniethepoor, if your school is an HMC school or a member of the Trinity group of schools in London, then they really should allow you to find out the state school answer first. Check with admissions. That said, if necessary it isn't unknown for people to hand a cheque in and then cancel it. But I would recommend that you phone instead!

tiggytape Wed 26-Feb-14 12:36:07

Blackcat - How very odd!
It may be the paperwork is out of date (using an old template) but even then I'd expect it to say March 1st not February 28th.

The thing is, it is not variable. The date is set by law in fact in the Admissions Code 2012 which says:
b) for secondary school applications, all offers must be made on the same secondary National Offer Day i.e.1 March or the next working day, and
c) for primary school applications, all offers must be made on the same primary National Offer Day - i.e 16 April or the next working day. The primary National Offer Day will apply to schemes for entry in 2014/15 and all subsequent years.

The word must in the Code refers to something being a legal requirement not just a guideline.
Of course your area could be totally ignoring that but I have never heard of an area that doesn't offer on the day that is set down by the Code.

tiggytape Wed 26-Feb-14 12:38:14

For the same reason winnie, a grammar school will not release information to you that in effects tells you if you have a definite place or not. They are not allowed to do that before March 1st (or March 3rd this year) either.
Ladymuck knows much more about the private system and it does seem that asking for an extension is perfectly acceptable as she suggests.

kernowal Wed 26-Feb-14 13:35:40

Meery Last year I pointlessly checked my email at 5am when I got up to go to the loo! It turned up when I was in the shower later.

winniethepoor Wed 26-Feb-14 15:13:14

Many thanks to all of your prompt responses. I will ask the private school for a day's extensiion and see how.

Journeytolight Wed 26-Feb-14 16:18:35

Not long left till the 3rd, good luck to everyone waiting for the results!

StripesSpotsNoChecks Wed 26-Feb-14 16:46:27

Wishing the days away this week! blush

WWOOWW Wed 26-Feb-14 18:25:01

We received an email on the 21st Feb saying:

Allocation emails will be despatched after 18:00 on 03 March 2014.

There will be no information available online prior to allocation emails being sent. Late evening on 3 March 2014, after allocation emails have been sent, the online system will be updated with allocation information.

tiggytape Wed 26-Feb-14 18:36:55

Blackcat - I heard of an LA today that has said it will post offers using 2nd class post on 28th February so they arrive on Monday 3rd March.
I think even that's quite odd as there's always a chance they might arrive on the Saturday instead but that maybe explain it?

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 18:45:00

My confirmation email (of my choices) says I will get an email on the 28th. I hope we do, as that's the date I've had in my mind!

That email, the leaflet we got and the website all say the 28th. They can't all be a mistake using last year's dates can they?

Must be a rebellious council!

tiggytape Wed 26-Feb-14 18:52:00

Yes - it must be a rebellious council!

Last year's date was 1st March nationwide
Every year in fact is March 1st (except when that falls on the weekend and they have to use the next working day) because it is set by law to ensure it is the same for everyone.

They'll get into a lot of trouble though I imagine especially if you border other areas that are complying with the rules. It is a set date to avoid the old system where people in neighbouring streets found out on differing dates according to the council they came under or school they applied to.

Iloverupertp Wed 26-Feb-14 19:00:59

The date we've been given is also march 1st but when I rang to confirm this,they said they will email on 28th!!!

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 19:04:08

I've just looked up our border council (I do know people who have applied for schools in both areas) and they say they will send letters on the 1st. On the ball round here then!

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 19:04:41

Oh good, we're not alone!

tiggytape Wed 26-Feb-14 19:10:11

Maybe someone somewhere read "next working day" and interpreted it as "nearest working day"
They’ll be a lot of cross people just over the border come Saturday!

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 19:12:21

Do you get your offer from the council where you live regardless of where the school is?

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Wed 26-Feb-14 19:14:27

I think so Blackcathair. The process is still co-ordinated by your "home" county. So I will hear from Herts even though I've applied to one Bucks school too.

Blackcathaireverywhere Wed 26-Feb-14 19:18:49

Hmmm, ok, so some of my son's friends might hear a few days after us!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage Wed 26-Feb-14 19:31:41

Dh thought we would find out on Saturday so had to tell DD it will be Monday.

In theory we should be fine.

99% in 11+
In catchment area (should that matter)
Low birth rate for girls in the school year
Head mistress said not over subscribed.

I am trying to say don't count your chickens but we only put the one school down and would definitely appeal if she gets a no.

Good luck to everyone.

Just one more child to go through the process..

Journeytolight Wed 26-Feb-14 21:17:26

On our LAs website it says march 3rd so not 28th for us like it is for a couple of people. I thought that it is compulsory to give results on the same day. Am I wrong?

steppemum Thu 27-Feb-14 00:34:07

Ok, so our no.1 choice is in neighboring county (grammar). On that county's website it is midnight on the 3rd.
But we applied through our county, and on their website it is almost impossible to find a date and buried in the standard admissions doc. it says 1st (but that is obviously the standard 1st March, not specific to this year)

So, if our neighbouring county has the info out from midnight, is there any way we can find out if he is on the school's list?

Bakingnovice Thu 27-Feb-14 08:04:28

I'm in Yorkshire and we've been told it'll be march 1. Fingers crossed.

tiggytape Thu 27-Feb-14 08:44:25

On our LAs website it says march 3rd so not 28th for us like it is for a couple of people. I thought that it is compulsory to give results on the same day. Am I wrong?

No journey you are not wrong.
It is a legal requirement to give results on March 1st or the next working day if March 1st falls at the weekend. That is exactly what the law says on this issue.

There is no scope for changing the day in any legal way so any council giving results on Friday or Saturday is in breach of the law (although I suspect the ones who are saying March 1st either haven't updated their templates from last year when March 1st fell on a Friday or will post results on the 1st to arrive on March 3rd to compy with the date set in law).

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Thu 27-Feb-14 11:34:35

steppemum I don't know, but I was wondering if you have a password or login details for the admissions website for the neighbouring county? We did the Bucks 11+ so we had a registration password even though our admission will be handled by Herts.

steppemum Thu 27-Feb-14 22:10:51

trouble is, admissions website etc is our county, we don't have log in details for neighbouring county, because we had to fill in forms in our county.

We had registration stuff for Glos, for the 11+, but don't think that will give us results

WWOOWW Fri 28-Feb-14 11:26:49

Just had a letter from DAO saying that can confirm that they are accepting our address as our permanent address under admission criteria 2. Ok starting to get a little nervous now.

tiggytape Fri 28-Feb-14 12:41:00

Is that a selecticve school WWOOWW and / or does living locally help in terms of being more likely to get a place? If so that seems like good news so far?

WWOOWW Fri 28-Feb-14 14:14:26

It is a semi selective school. Only 22 places for the nearest local kids. 65 exam entry, 10 music, LAC and SN and the rest is siblings

moldingsunbeams Fri 28-Feb-14 22:33:34

Our website just changed to third boo

Thiscarisreversing Fri 28-Feb-14 23:18:59

Ours was the 1st but later changed to the 3rd. Very irritating!!

Bakingnovice Sat 01-Mar-14 06:49:55

Some people here have had their email. Some like me haven't. Really useless LA. good luck everyone.

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sat 01-Mar-14 07:18:23

How annoying baking! Hopefully it wikk arrive soon. Fingers crossed for you this morning.

Have a brew to steady your nerves smile

Bakingnovice Sat 01-Mar-14 07:21:29

Thanks. Ds stayed up til midnight and was upset. I thought I was fine with it but feel really nervous now. Off to have a coffee (and cake) to steady my nerves. Hope we get a letter today.

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sat 01-Mar-14 07:26:49

OMG! They came out after midnight?! That is a long wait then. Grrr.
I know which route my postie takes so I'd be tempted to go and find him if there is a chance you'll get a letter today but that is because I am a loon grin In my defence my post often doesn't arrive until lunchtime so it is a long wait wink

Enjoy the cake, I haven't got an excuse for cake this early but it sounds like a fantastic idea!

JakeBullet Sat 01-Mar-14 07:41:26

Good luck all, DS has a Statement of SEN so we already know where he is going as generally they get first choice (as long as the school can meet the needs).

I know how anxious some of my friends are though.

We looked at two really oversubscribed schools which were lovely but huge...in the end we went with the third school which has less than 1000 children. DS was accepted so all is sorted.

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sat 01-Mar-14 07:44:17

Sounds like you've made a great choice Jake smile Secondary schools just seem so huge you feel like your dc might slip through the cracks somehow!

JakeBullet Sat 01-Mar-14 07:47:16

Thank you, yes it is so scary...but the HT at the third school really impressed me as he spent ages chatting to DS....and as since referred to him as "oh yes, I remember him, nice sandy haired boy" when talking to a friend who is a Governor at the school. That sealed it ....smile

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sat 01-Mar-14 08:04:20

Blimey Jake! That is fantastic grin - my friend's son once held a door open for the head teacher and she made some joke about it and gave him a gallant name. Now it's a running joke if she sees him (huge school so not often) and he loves it. A great Head teacher can make all the difference.

tiggytape Sat 01-Mar-14 10:17:43

Some people here have had their email. Some like me haven't. Really useless LA. good luck everyone.

In fairness to the LA, it isn't their fault some councils have sent offers out too early.
There is a date set by law that they are all supposed to follow which is March 1st and if March 1st falls at the weekend they must send them the next working day which this year means March 3rd.

That said, some will be online at 00:00 on March 3rd so will be there late tomorrow night.
Other councils posted letters 2nd class post yesterday aiming to have them arrive on Monday but you may get lucky and the post may be quick and come today.
Other councils stick more rigidly to the March 3rd date and do emails after 5pm or 6pm which can mean a very long wait indeed.

alpie Sat 01-Mar-14 14:14:47

Good luck to everyone else...Kendrick and Reading Grammar results came in the post today

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sat 01-Mar-14 16:50:16

Hope it brought good news alpine smile

Baking, any email for you yet?

steppemum Sat 01-Mar-14 22:36:45

just been on the 11+ forum, and it appears that quite a few areas have their results by post or email.
Some people are upset because out of county parents know about their grammar places before in county parents.

we are out of county and will find out AFTER all the in county parents. C'est la vie. I have been totally taken up with dd1a birthday party and logging in and finding out people have results is a bit of a shock!

Housemum Sat 01-Mar-14 23:22:41

Good luck meery we are Hampshire too smile DD2 has been counting down the days for weeks, she is hoping to get into the oversubscribed Catholic secondary (we are Catholic but don't attend the feeder school so good chance but not guaranteed). Last year Facebook was buzzing at about 7.30 with people celebrating or complaining, so hoping to know before she goes to school.

DraggingDownDownDown Sun 02-Mar-14 07:44:18

Really hope we get our first choice. DS has special needs but no statement and this school seems to be the best to support him PLUS it is the one he is desperate to go to. We live 0.8miles away - so within walking distance but........ I know of others who haven't got in previously.

I also don't understand the over subscription admission criteria blush

Meery Sun 02-Mar-14 07:48:54

Thanks housemum . So we may know this time tomorrow. Yikes..

Dd is desperate for south wilts but may be unlucky as we are out of catchment and rumour has it there were many passes this year.

In a way i hope we only hear good news before school as hate to think of sending her in disappointed.

WantToKnowNow Sun 02-Mar-14 09:16:28

Good luck to everyone who is still waiting and I hope you'll be happy with the school offered!
Is anyone else being as sad as me and logging into their online admissions, just in case there's been a glitch and you can see the allocation?! I'll be so glad to get my life back once we know something.......

Dancergirl Sun 02-Mar-14 11:28:04

Good luck to everyone, not long to go now!

Our email is due to arrive 'after 5pm'. Dd will be at school and I'm going to keep myself busy to keep my mind off it by going shopping

In any case, it's going to be a fraught time for dd after school....

littlepurplealien Sun 02-Mar-14 18:33:31

Have just read online that over 90% of children in our area will be given their first choice this year which seems quite good odds really.

FabBakerGirl Sun 02-Mar-14 19:02:35

I'm confused as I have been told results at school at 4 (when they finish) but DH has said he will get an email. We have to leave straight away tomorrow after school to get to an appointment so can't hang about more than about 5 minutes and then what if she doesn't get our choice as DH only put one down?

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sun 02-Mar-14 19:07:57

LittlepurpleAlien - which area are you in?!

littlepurplealien Sun 02-Mar-14 19:20:50

I'd rather not say, is over 90% getting first choice high ?

tiggytape Sun 02-Mar-14 19:39:29

FabBakerGirl - if you applied online you will get an email and normally you can also log on to view the results too.
There's not a lot you can do now about only having listed one option. Hopefully it was a very realistic one.
If you don't get it, the council will allocate you a school.
If you don't like what they allocate you, you can join other waiting lists and/or appeal.
However hopefully you will get the school your DH listed so that won't be an issue.

FabBakerGirl Sun 02-Mar-14 20:26:35

DH did it on line and has just said he will get the email at 4pm.

I can not see how they can say no to DD but if they do we will be appealing big time. If it is on scores I can't see that they would have had a full intake who got higher than DD.

Good luck to all the MNDCs waiting.

StripesSpotsNoChecks Sun 02-Mar-14 20:34:50

I don't know purple but it sounds pretty good, hope you are in my area wink.

Rabbitcar Sun 02-Mar-14 21:23:21

Good luck all. Dancergirl, I think you are waiting for the same result as me, so best of luck! I start a new job tomorrow and it is DD2's instrument exam, plus my parents' wedding anniversary, so hopefully there will be enough other stuff to distract me! x

Thiscarisreversing Sun 02-Mar-14 22:42:03

Good luck for tomorrow!! Desperate to get into our local city school, it's got a pool!

MmeMorrible Sun 02-Mar-14 22:48:52

I'm waiting to log into the secondary allocations website at 00:00 and I don't think time has ever moved so slowly!

Is anyone else waiting up tonight?

steppemum Sun 02-Mar-14 22:50:30

Mme - I was going to, but I realised that I have no idea what time they send the email out, so I won't be
good luck!

thatgirloverthere Sun 02-Mar-14 22:55:11

MmeMorrible - I'm waiting up too! I've already logged on to our Online Admissions page and it says:

Notification of your school place offer:-

On 03/03/2014 00:00:00, your school place offer will be communicated to you by email.

This will be the longest hour of my life, we have applied to a church school, which requires a sif, although the school didn't confirm receipt of sif forms, so I'm panicking that they didn't receive the form I sent in. Realistically if the sif was received, ds should have a very good chance of a place, I read the school newsletter and they confirmed that the school was over subscribed and would be holding a waiting list for Sept 2014.

Good Luck everyone!

goldie81 Sun 02-Mar-14 22:56:38

Good luck guys! We have to wait till 6pm tomorrow!!! Think I'm going to go mad!!!

MmeMorrible Sun 02-Mar-14 23:12:52

50 minutes to go! I logged into our online allocation system yesterday and it said our allocation would be shown from 00:00. DH reckons the system will crash from all the parents trying to log in at the same time.

DD wants me to wake her up to tell her the news. Think this is possibly a bit barking.

Good luck all.

thatgirloverthere Sun 02-Mar-14 23:23:23

My son also asked me to wake him up - I said I'd leave a note in his bedroom, am sure I'd never get him back to sleep otherwise.

We had to list 6 schools on our application, we live in a small town with no senior school, so children are bussed out all over the place, nearest school is 7 miles away but isn't one of our catchment school's.

Almost time...

thatgirloverthere Sun 02-Mar-14 23:49:35

Just logged on to see allocations have been published - we got our first choice. Ds will be delighted.

Good Luck to everyone else.

circular Sun 02-Mar-14 23:50:48

Just got ours too online - first choice. DD2 will be chuffed, was trying to stay awake but crashed out on the sofa 10 mins ago.

MmeMorrible Mon 03-Mar-14 00:01:29

DD got her first choice too! Completely amazed as was a long shot but thrilled to bits.

We have woken her up & told her, she's very happy and now going back to sleep.

Good luck to everyone else who hears tomorrow!

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 00:06:19

Congrats everyone!

How do you access results? I am in a London borough

Dwerf Mon 03-Mar-14 00:08:25

I did mine via the paper form so I'm waiting for a letter. Now I am regretting that choice a teeny bit...

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 00:10:19

Bother, just logged in, nothing there, results will be tomorrow.

My heart is pounding!

Zingy123 Mon 03-Mar-14 00:12:22

Gutted Dd got 3rd choice. It's just failed it's ofsted. Will appeal for 1 and 2 I think.

steppemum Mon 03-Mar-14 00:15:49

we got first choice,
I am delighted, wasn't even going to wake up, but I seem to still be here grin

So sorry for you Zingy. sad

Tartanpaint Mon 03-Mar-14 00:34:09

First choice here too. So pleased!!! Hope everyone else get the results they want.

littlepurplealien Mon 03-Mar-14 01:07:03

We too were relieved to find we've got our first choice.

Sorry to hear your news Zingy, action plan to get on waiting lists and start planning appeal ?

DraggingDownDownDown Mon 03-Mar-14 04:26:50

Got first choice too.

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 07:01:05

Arrgghh, still no results!

Just tried to log in, looks like it will be 5pm as they said.

So frustrating, why does it vary so much??

zingy don't panic just yet, there is a lot of waiting list movement, you may get a place without having to appeal.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 07:06:26

Sorry zingy…hang in there.

Still waiting for that email, looks like it really will be after 6pm.

Zingy123 Mon 03-Mar-14 07:10:15

Thanks everyone. Will ring when Dd's are at school. Trying to be positive in front of Dd.

HercShipwright Mon 03-Mar-14 08:16:33

DD2 got her first choice Grammar. Realistically, we knew, because there were fewer children in category A than there were places. But still. Nice to have it confirmed. Now we need to hot the PTA second hand uniform shop this week! None of DD1's stuff is in a fit state to be passed down and in fact none of it is small enough for Dd2 unless she has a massive growth spurt between now and September.

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 09:03:43

Some great results here smile

It's going to be a long day here waiting till 5pm......

I've told dd not to worry if she doesn't get first choice school today - there is a good chance she'll get in from the waiting list. In typical well-observed dd style she said 'today the waiting either ends or starts'.

LaundryFairy Mon 03-Mar-14 09:12:01

We got out first choice and are so happy. We moved house so that ds could go to a school where there would be good support for him (he has Aspergers but our LEA rarely does statements for children with AS). After the upheaval of moving, much relief all round.

WWOOWW Mon 03-Mar-14 10:52:11

At work feeling very sick !

surreymum2424 Mon 03-Mar-14 10:59:09

same here, not getting anything done at work, dont think we will get first choice, but will be happy with second.

Just want to know now, will be a long day till 5pm.

Meery Mon 03-Mar-14 11:29:33

So disappointed failed to get grammar

littlepurplealien Mon 03-Mar-14 11:42:10

Oh no, Meery, what are your other options ?

Were you above the target score but not enough places to go round ?

mummytime Mon 03-Mar-14 11:44:03

I've got to wait until at least 5. I'm not bothered as unless something very odd has happened we will get the second choice at least (sibling).
But I know DD will be desperate to know when I collect her after school - she really prefers the first choice.

oodyboodyboocs Mon 03-Mar-14 11:46:05

so relieved, we got our 1st choice

Meery Mon 03-Mar-14 12:00:41

We got our 2nd choice - a really good comp. But it's not the grammar (stamps foot).

Missed out on distance from school. Just feel rotten that having put DD through the 11+ process it appears to have come to nothing.

It's going to be a long old summer on the wait list.....

Dibbleofficer Mon 03-Mar-14 14:50:34

Waiting on London admissions ..hope to get Wisons or St Os ...which were one and two...

To long waiting already ...been told likely to be after 5 pm ...!!

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 15:07:08

Impatient here too dibble - only a few hours to go now!

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 15:07:35

Is it just London boroughs after 5pm? I'm amazed so many results are in!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 15:11:25

Herts is after 6pm, and I just read a forum post saying some didn't arrive until 10pm last year.

OddBoots Mon 03-Mar-14 15:26:36

We got an email about 11am, dd got her first choice. It's our local pretty average comp but it's only a quick walk from home and her brother has done really well there.

littlepurplealien Mon 03-Mar-14 15:27:53

Seems odd that this year it's only 3rd March because of 1st March falling on a weekend and yet some LEA's still aren't ready or do they just enjoy making you sweat.

So far I've only heard of one girl in year 6 at our school who hasn't got her first choice but elsewhere I've heard of a set of twins each allocated different schools !

Zingy123 Mon 03-Mar-14 15:46:09

Just got through to our 1st choice school. Dd is 5th on the waiting list so I think that's encouraging.

60th for 2nd choice so not much hope.

Am going to appeal them both.

AnimalsAreMyFriends Mon 03-Mar-14 15:53:38

Nervously refreshing my emails..... Dd is desperate to know!!!

mummytime Mon 03-Mar-14 16:15:27

The first year of the PAn-London (and some other places) system, the computer broke down and no one got results until 7 or later. So I think they are hedging their bets (better than the year my son applied when everyone who applied online got their results accidentally a day early).

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 16:27:13

Just heard from a friend that her out of county niece has got the Herts school of her choice - she obviously heard through her home county, Bucks. It's madness really, isn't it?!

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 16:29:49

Apparently Herts results are out!!

WelliesandPyjamas Mon 03-Mar-14 16:44:36

Just joining in. I never thought until today this could be such an emotional process smile

We got first place for DS1's secondary however since we submitted the application he has had a big change of heart and would prefer the second choice on our list. His reasons are very valid and we'd really like him to get the second choice. I talked with county today and there are no spaces left at the 2nd choice school so we have to submit a reviewed application in case a space comes up, followed by an appeal if that doesn't work.

It's more upsetting for me than I thought it would be [soppy] but all we can do is give it a try. It doesn't help that our LEA's website isn't fully informative imo.

Does anyone know what 'higher preference offer' actually means? Context: this was written under our 2nd and 3rd choices on the website.

OddBoots Mon 03-Mar-14 16:49:35

'Higher preference offer' means they didn't keep him a space at that school as he had an offer at a school you had placed higher.

I hope your application for the different school gets you a place there before September. If not will he be okay going to the offered school?

tiggytape Mon 03-Mar-14 16:56:11

Does anyone know what 'higher preference offer' actually means?

Each child can only get one offer
Even if you meet the criteria for 2 or 3 or more schools, you only get offered one of them. This is when the LA look at your list and see which one you said you liked the best. They give you that one and free up the other schools you may have qualified for.
Therefore even if you met the criteria for school number 2 and 3, you haven't got offered them because you met the criteria for your 1st choice school and got offered that.

There is still a chance you may get a place at your 2nd choice school though from the waiting list now you have requested this.

StripesSpotsNoChecks Mon 03-Mar-14 16:56:49

Dd got her first choice, happy, relieved and slightly disbelieving here!

WelliesandPyjamas Mon 03-Mar-14 17:00:00

Ah, thank you oddboots. No amount of googling and searching through LEA FAQs had given me such a clear answer, or any at all in fact!

I'm sure he will be ok at the first choice school but he would be miles happier starting at the other school with his friends. I know this is the parental guilt talking but we feel bad that we have moved him around, through house and country moves, enough times in his life, that the least we can try and do for him is appeal to get him to move up to 'big school' with his friends. Fingers crossed.

WelliesandPyjamas Mon 03-Mar-14 17:03:06

Thanks too tiggytape, another clear explanation grin. I'm sure there's potential for someone to get a lot of google hits by having a website clearly explaining the ins and outs and terminology of school admissions!

mummytime Mon 03-Mar-14 17:04:03

Well I've just accepted the place at the second choice school before we've received the offer email. DD is very disappointed.

WWOOWW Mon 03-Mar-14 17:06:03

Herts here - no email.

littlepurplealien Mon 03-Mar-14 17:06:46

Zingy 5th place on the waiting list does sound encouraging indeed, what are the planned admission numbers for that school ?

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 17:11:31

woo people are posting results from Herts on the 11+ forum. Won't be long now!

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 17:12:14

Right, it's now after 5pm <drums fingers>

What's going on with the London boroughs??

AmazingDisgrace Mon 03-Mar-14 17:12:59

The results are now viewable on the pan London e-admissions website. I didn't get an email but just logged into the site and there it was... DS got his first preference school smile

Blu Mon 03-Mar-14 17:17:12

I know people in London who have logged in without having had the e mail and can see their result!

Rabbitcar Mon 03-Mar-14 17:17:22

Barnet site updated. Got first choice grammar. DD2 thrilled!

MotherOfSuburbia Mon 03-Mar-14 17:19:54

No email here in Surrey but site updated. Ds got Wallington Grammar. smile

WWOOWW Mon 03-Mar-14 17:19:59

Dancer - I saw that !! where's mine ?? The Herts school admission page is :

The online system is currently unavailable while it is prepared for the release of secondary transfer allocations. The system will be available to view and respond to allocations, 'opt out' of continuing interest or appeal from late evening on Monday 3 March 2014. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.

Cheeky !!

DD2's results were visible on the eadmissions site at 5 but no email yet.
She's following her older sister to the nearest semi selective.

SweetPenelope Mon 03-Mar-14 17:29:56

No email yet, but results online.

DS got Wilson's which was his first choice. Such a relief.

zen1 Mon 03-Mar-14 17:33:51

Anyone in London got their results?

fruitcorner Mon 03-Mar-14 17:34:51

No email yet but when logged on to online portal results were there -2nd choice given

fruitcorner Mon 03-Mar-14 17:35:34

Sorry meant to add I am in London

Rabbitcar Mon 03-Mar-14 17:37:12

Barnet results are available online zen

JakeBullet Mon 03-Mar-14 17:47:17

We got emails in Essex after midnight....I have known for weeks about DS as he has a Statement of SEN but have been anxiously waiting for my friends who have gone through the application process....and most are really happy. All seem to have got first or second choices...only one who didn't get any of her choices but she listed three very oversubscribed schools and all out of catchment which was a bit of a gamble. She is not happy with the allocated school so is going to look at other local schools and consider appeals.

DS is going to a local Catholic school (which takes a large percentage of non-Catholic children) which has less than 1000 pupils. As he is autistic I am really relieved ...it is the smallest school in the area.

Just got our email in London. First choice. Phew

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 17:48:55

In herts & the wait is driving me mad!

wools Mon 03-Mar-14 17:53:59

Surrey has just released their admissions. No e-mails though as there is a problem with Yahoo apparently. Any surrey people waiting to hear log on to admissions page for your outcome.

mummytime Mon 03-Mar-14 17:58:57

I've not only accepted the place but had an acknowledgement of that acceptance and still no offer email! smile

Dibbleofficer Mon 03-Mar-14 17:59:53

Just got London ...Wilson's grammar ...what a boy

HoggyTruffle Mon 03-Mar-14 18:11:51

Results are on the website for this London borough. No email though.

zen1 Mon 03-Mar-14 18:26:24

We got our first choice too. Gobsmacked!

zebraprint Mon 03-Mar-14 18:49:24

Anyone in Westminster? No email yet. When I log in, it says 'View outcome' but then just says:
Information relating to outcome
You will shortly receive a letter from Westminster with full details of the decision and what to do next. Please read this letter before doing anything further.

Really fretting!

maillotjaune Mon 03-Mar-14 18:51:06

Only just received text and email in this London borough. Results were on a link on their website at 5 in the dot so seems a bit odd that the email was delayed by nearly 2 hours (and I accepted straight away so already had an email confirming that at about 5.03!)

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 18:57:19

We got first choice, over the moon! smile

FabBakerGirl Mon 03-Mar-14 19:00:16

We heard just before 4pm. DD got her first (and only) choice thank goodness.

Is there anyone still waiting?

WWOOWW Mon 03-Mar-14 19:05:53

yep still waiting - Herts !!!

zebraprint Mon 03-Mar-14 19:10:26

Yes FabBakerGirl, i am still waiting.....

MaillotJaune, yes, the website updated at 5pm so that 'View Outcome' was available, but this is all it says. Am beside myself with worry now

Deecam18 Mon 03-Mar-14 19:20:54

Logged onto the admissions website as i hadn't got an email and my DD got her first preference she is so are so pleased.

FabBakerGirl Mon 03-Mar-14 19:32:50

I hope you don't have to wait too much longer.

maillotjaune Mon 03-Mar-14 19:41:43

Zebra if it's any help, my friend has only just had her email (10 mins ago) from same LA as me so they are not arriving simultaneously. No idea why. Hope you find out soon.

dorisbumble Mon 03-Mar-14 19:54:40

We will all sleep tonight. First choice
-wilsons along with 2 of his friends. His other best friends got first choices wallington and cvms! ! Very happy little fellas. Glad that is over.

Buggedoff Mon 03-Mar-14 20:06:22

Dd2 got first choice (London).

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 20:09:12

Herts: no email but the website is up and working.

Ds got his place at Parmiters.

I have never been so on edge in my life.

Score was 260 if that helps anyone smile

WWOOWW Mon 03-Mar-14 20:18:33

Thanks Shred !!

Got 1st choice !!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 20:35:00

Good luck to anyone still waiting. Herts have clearly given up on email but the website is at least working now.

Commiserations if you didn't get your choice but hang in there, a lot will change over the next few months.

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 20:44:32

rabbitcar well done! Dd got a place too. Still can't quite take it in!

Rabbitcar Mon 03-Mar-14 21:20:23

Congratulations to your DD too, Dancergirl! Is she excited? It was a long wait, wasn't it? DD1 adores HBS so I am sure our other DDs will love it too. Look forward to bumping into you at some point!

Dancergirl Mon 03-Mar-14 21:24:35

She screamed and jumped up and down! I didn't of course liar

What year is your older dd in?

Zingy123 Mon 03-Mar-14 21:39:56

Littlepurplealien

PAN is 270 don't know this years figures but last year 600+ applied. Feeling better now than I did this morning.

Rabbitcar Mon 03-Mar-14 21:43:37

Dancergirl, have pmd you!

zebraprint Mon 03-Mar-14 21:59:48

We got no place. Can't believe it.

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 22:07:28

What happened zebraprint? You got none of your choices at all?

I think you automatically go on the waiting list for any school but check that first thing. What does the email or letter tell you to do?

tiggytape Mon 03-Mar-14 22:11:34

Don't panic zebra.
It isn't unheard of for some London boroughs to do this. It means that none of the schools you listed can offer you a place right now but you will almost certainly get something off the waiting list plus the borough will have to come up with a place for you eventually.
I am not defending them - I personally think they should bloody well find a place somewhere after all this waiting but their reasoning is that they know for a fact the lists will move so much in the next few weeks that you will get an offer somewhere.
In Kent and other areas lots of people haven't got any of the schools they asked for this year but they have still been found an alternative and it is very annoying that some London boroughs don't feel the need to do the same.

In the meantime:
Did you use all 6 options on your form?
Did you list a local school that you felt certain of getting into based on last year's distances?
Do you have any sibling or faith links that you think they might have overlooked?
Get in touch with the council and make sure you are on the waiting list for all 6 schools. You can also ask to be added to lists of schools you did not originally apply for.

The borough must find you a place and they will but I appreciate the stress this must be causing.

steppemum Mon 03-Mar-14 22:23:34

blimey zebra, that is tough.

maillotjaune Mon 03-Mar-14 22:35:00

Oh no, Zebra.

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 22:36:08

Wow!! What a stressful eve! Congrats to everyone that got what they wanted- we did!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 22:38:40

Great news goldie81 smile

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 22:40:48

And you shred!! We'll both be at parmiters then smile

WantToKnowNow Mon 03-Mar-14 22:51:04

Congratulations Shred & goldie! Would you mind posting the scores that got your Parmiters places so we can see how close/far off we were?

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 22:52:08

Want my dd got 262 & think shred said earlier 260.
What school did you get?

WantToKnowNow Mon 03-Mar-14 22:57:06

St Clement Danes which we're happy with. It'll be interesting to see the cutoff scores for all the schools as they're published.

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 22:59:13

Oh cool! Well done. Yes I'd be very interested but will be a while I think

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 23:07:59

SCD is a great school WantToKnowNow. From what I can see, 254 didn't get in and 259 did, so the current cut off is somewhere between those marks.

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 23:15:40

Wow!! That's a huge increase from last yr then!

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Mon 03-Mar-14 23:19:19

It is, and also scarily close to ds's mark.......we thought we had a good buffer zone, but just goes to show you never can tell.

goldie81 Mon 03-Mar-14 23:27:19

Exactly! It's scary how much pressure these kids are under. Have you accepted place shred? I have!! Wow that's it! All sorted. Now seems a part of my life worrying is missing

AtiaoftheJulii Tue 04-Mar-14 08:39:08

Can I ask a waiting list question?

We got our second choice (which is great, first was a long shot and dd really likes #2), and I have to tick a box to say whether we want to stay on the waiting list for #1 or not.

I'd kind of assumed that if you then got to the top, you would be offered a place, and could decide then whether to swap or not - because getting the offer in April would obviously be a lot different to getting it in September. But the wording on the form: "If it is possible to offer a place at your preferred school then the place at the school named in this letter will be withdrawn" must mean that if you get a place from the waiting list, then that's it, that's your place, and your other place will be offered to someone else.

Is it always that absolute? I mean, if someone hates the school and leaves at October half term and you're top of the waiting list, they can't MAKE you change school then, surely!

(This is all hypothetical as it's vanishingly unlikely to happen -although she's higher up the waiting list than I expected and it has thrown me! - and dh says just leave her on it, don't worry it will never happen, but I'd like to be sure of the process.)

tiggytape Tue 04-Mar-14 08:45:41

I'd kind of assumed that if you then got to the top, you would be offered a place, and could decide then whether to swap or not - because getting the offer in April would obviously be a lot different to getting it in September.

Your assumption is correct
The council should not be withdrawing an offer unless you tell them to.
They should not be saying they will make assumptions about whether you accept a new offer or not.
Afterall some people get a waiting list offer 2 days before September term starts when they've already gone to the induction day and bought the uniform!! Lots of those refuse the offer from the waiting list at that stage of course.

I think you should email admissions and tell them that you wish to remain on the list for school number 1 but you do not want your current place withdrawn at any stage and to really stress this point. It is acceptable for them to insist you make a decision very quickly should an offer come up (afterall nobody is allowed to hang on to 2 offers for weeks) but it is not acceptable for them to make that decision for you.

zebraprint Tue 04-Mar-14 09:33:47

Tiggytape, that's such a lovely and helpful message - thank you.

In Kent and other areas lots of people haven't got any of the schools they asked for this year but they have still been found an alternative and it is very annoying that some London boroughs don't feel the need to do the same.

I think I am sort of glad not to be offered a school I didn't apply for, as anything near enough with a place still open is not going to be a great option at this stage.

In the meantime:
Did you use all 6 options on your form?
Did you list a local school that you felt certain of getting into based on last year's distances?
Do you have any sibling or faith links that you think they might have overlooked?
Get in touch with the council and make sure you are on the waiting list for all 6 schools. You can also ask to be added to lists of schools you did not originally apply for.

Used 5 of the 6 options. Was assured by school this would be absolutely fine.
We definitely live close enough to the first choice school based on last year's distance. From everyone at school, we were assumed to be the most likely to get a place at this secondary..... People who live further away have got in, so I don't understand.
I listed a school we live right next door to as my backup!
No sibling or faith links but should have got in on an open place to first choice.

Luckily our (primary) school is being helpful and are going to find out about waiting lists for me directly with the first choice secondary, with whom they have excellent links.

The borough must find you a place and they will but I appreciate the stress this must be causing.
It's awful, and poor dd is so upset. Hateful system.

tiggytape Tue 04-Mar-14 10:02:23

People who live further away have got in, so I don't understand.

I am assuming distance is one of the admissions criteria? i.e. people living closer should get pririty for places according to the schools published admissions criteria?

If so this might indicate a mistake.
When you say "closer" though it has to be how the council define closer not how you define it. For example some councils using shortest safe walking route and some use 'as the crow flies'
You probably need to raise this with the council now and find out the last distance offered this year and why you have not got an offer if you are closer than that.

It sounds like you've been very sensible and listed realistic options. Unfortunately in some areas it can simply be that siblings take lots of places and people living closer take all the rest.

However in your case, I am concerned this sounds like a potential error. It is nice of your primary school to deal with waiting lists but I do urge you to ring the council yourself to ask about the distances. They might have your address down wrong or the wrong postcode and this could explain it. Your primary school might not spot such an error.

zebraprint Tue 04-Mar-14 10:28:13

Thanks again Tiggy. Yes, distance is a factor for the open places at this school. The distance is measured as the crow flies this year, and we are much closer than anyone else from the primary who applied for opens.

I just phoned the council and they were supremely unhelpful and wholly unsympathetic. Wouldn't release waiting list info as it changes too much so is unrealistic for next few weeks. Wouldn't tell me why we didn't get accepted - I have to wait until this evening to see letter apparently. When I flagged the distance thing, the woman said "Well all the others must have done better than her in the banding tests then" UNBELIEVABLE

I don't think I'm going to get anywhere with the council today. Hopefully the letter will give me a little more info, and school might be able to uncover a little more... I really hope you're right and that there is a mistake. How are they able to accommodate extra pupils though, through the appeals process, do you have any idea?

steppemum Tue 04-Mar-14 11:42:53

Well, just discovered a few things which are a bit shocking.
ds got his first choice grammar place. Pass mark is 216. Ds got 222 and school told us he should be fine as they usually manage to take everyone who passes.
Found out last night that the cut off was 221! He scraped in and loads of kids who passed, and would have normally got a place, haven't got in.

Then we found out that his back up second choice was too far away for other kids who live close to us and so we wouldn't have got that either.

zebra, how does the banding work? Are you sure the further away kids aren't siblings? It sounds odd, especially as you didn't get your back up either. Do you think they have your address wrong?

Dancergirl Tue 04-Mar-14 12:13:18

Wow, that's nerve-racking stuff steppemum. But he's in and that's all that matters.

How do you know the pass mark is 216? Doesn't it vary from year to year?

It looks like all the cut-offs are higher this year.

Dancergirl Tue 04-Mar-14 12:15:02

So sorry hear that zebra Your poor dd sad

Apologies if I've missed this, but can you phone the schools direct to find out about waiting lists if your council aren't helping?

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Tue 04-Mar-14 12:22:52

zebra I wish you all the best with the waiting list and/or appeal. I think that if your chosen school has previously accommodated extra pupils then you can use that as a factor in the appeal, so definitely try and find out what has happened in previous years.

steppemum it seems to have happened everywhere I know of. In Herts the cut off seems to have jumped massively, and there will be some very disappointed children this morning who got scores that would have easily got in any other year.

Dancergirl Tue 04-Mar-14 12:24:53

I wonder if it's just a particularly high scoring year or a general trend that scores are going up year by year...?

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Tue 04-Mar-14 12:28:36

Oh and our back up plan of a Bucks grammar, ds having passed the 11+ there? No. Just checked the allocation distances and for the first time ever, our "safe" choice, which has always had spare places (even allocating places as far afield as Manchester!) didn't have enough places for everyone, so we would have missed out on distance. Like you steppemum we are feeling immensely relieved this morning but also very puzzled by the outcomes.

tiggytape Tue 04-Mar-14 13:03:48

I wonder if it's just a particularly high scoring year or a general trend that scores are going up year by year...?

A general trend I think. The more people that compete for a place the more people tutor and prepare for the tests in a panic that their bright child might not get in otherwise. There are more applicants this year than last year and more competition for places. This drives up the overall marks. As does more people applying from further away who find local options limited eg by shrinking catchments at their own schools. As does people applying from private schools who see a chance for a good school with no fees.

zebra - the people who answer the phones at the council aren't always admissions staff. You might be better off emailing and asking which category your child was placed in and the furthest distance offered for that category. That way you can see for yourself if a mistake looks likely
There are lots of reasons why a child living further away might genuinely beat you to a place eg sibling, statement, adopted from care. Unless you ask the council direct (and an email bypasses the front desk people) you won't know for certain.

Blu Tue 04-Mar-14 13:52:29

Zebra - how very upsetting. sad

It does sound as if something technical has gone wrong - or at the very least if you are so close you should do very well out of the waiting lists.

If the school uses fair banding, it is possible that the people who live closer were competing for places in a different band. I am sure it varies, but in DS's school the top band has the bigest 'catchment' and Band 3 has the smallest because apparantly a higher proportion of the priority criteria applicants (statemented, SEN. looked after) tend to be in Band 3. The Band 3 catchment is about half that of Band 1. So you need to ask what band your dd was put in and the respective distances for bands.

Fingers crossed that you get something sorted out very soon.

steppemum Tue 04-Mar-14 13:53:49

zebra, I am pretty sure you can ask for a full evidence of why you didn't get in.

pass mark - the pass mark is different for each school, and they can change it, but they tell you what it is before the exam. So, for the school we wanted pass is 216, if you pass you can apply for the grammar, if you don't you can't apply as you don't fulfill the criteria (although there is room to appeal in some circumstances)

The exam results though are tailored to suit the number and quality of candidates, it is an adjusted score, so we passed with 222, with the same paper and answers last year (or next) ds could have scored 230 or 214. They aim to place the pass line at a place where most of those who pass will then be able to go to the school.
So in theory, if they had a massive load of extra kids this year, that should have been taken into account in the pass figures, the pass line should have moved and still have been at a place where the right number were given a pass. So the system has failed quite badly this year.
(and of course, this is only the glos 11+, they are not all the same!)

Dancergirl Tue 04-Mar-14 14:02:49

Just wanted to say zebra don't panic just yet. It's only a day after allocation day. Places DO come up in the next few months.

A friend of mine got her second choice a few years back which she accepted as she knew first choice was a really long shot. Then in May she got offered her first choice, she was amazed. She still took the 2nd choice school after all that, but it was nice to have the choice.

Teddingtonmum1 Tue 04-Mar-14 18:40:59

Im in richmond in an educational blackspot did not get any of our 4 choices and been allocated a failing academy approx 30 mins away. Thankfully we have an Indy place but it will be a huge sacrifice even with a large bursary but the system is clearly not for for purpose , was advised to have a state option as a fallback option I now have no option but to basically take on the equivalent of another mortgage for the next 7 years grrrrrr

Shootingatpigeons Tue 04-Mar-14 22:25:56

Teddingtonmum You are being a little economical with the truth there. It is quite right that Richmond has given many parents no option of a school place at all, let alone a place at one 30 minutes away, and the reason that there aren't more in that situation is that local parents have established a Free School, hopefully with a site announced soon, and it is scandalous. However you chose not to put down in your preferences the sought after and rated good (almost certainly outstanding when the results of the latest OFSTED inspection come out in a few days time ) comprehensive that you live in the catchment of, and you knew the consequence of that would be if you did not get the four you listed that you would be allocated to an undersubscribed school. Your choice, your risk, but you can hardly moan that the Council forced you into it by failing to provide a good local school, unlike many other parents in the borough. Many would regard you as lucky to have had the opportunity. Incidentally assuming it is TA you have been offered it is OFSTED rated as requiring improvement, whilst acknowledging it has improved, it is not in special measures or deemed to still be failing, none of the Richmond Schools could now be deemed to be failing.

HercShipwright Wed 05-Mar-14 07:19:29

What a nasty post. Especially since you don't even have a child in y6.

Teddingtonmum - I really hope your situation is resolved happily.

tiggytape Wed 05-Mar-14 09:04:19

Most parents aren't unreasonable and it is unfair to judge them for trying to choose a semi decent and semi local school. Nobody wants to be in the position of getting allocated a school far from home that they did not choose. I don't know Teddingtonmum's situation but what she describes absolutely can and does happen a lot in London i.e. a parent lists 4 local schools or even their closest 4 schools and doesn't get into any of them.
Some people in London have no "catchment" school at all i.e. no school that they fall within the last distance offered for.

Blu Wed 05-Mar-14 10:48:17

The problems of black holes and lack of choice through faith, single sex or whatever are indeed extreme in some areas and need adressing, but since politicians are in the business of listening to parental pressure (hence the current Lotteries debate, and indeed Free Schools) I do think it is quite important that people are absolutely accurate and honest about how the system did or did not work for them.

IF it is the case that a parent, any parent, got a worse allocation than they would have done putting their closest school, then accuracy is important: the problems need to be seen for what they are and not obscured by horror stories that don't quite get to the nitty gritty.

In a neighbouring borough there is much talk of the awfulness of how many people did not get their first prefernce. However, something like 85% got a preference from their top 3 - a number got none of their preferences. I know for a fact that at least 10 people put completely unreaslitic long shots as the first 2 places, sometimes more (fine - it's a good tactic!), and that the 3rd or 4th chpoice allocated is actually one they expected and are very happy with. I know for a fact that one family took the the 'if we only put one preference they will have to give us that' line - with predicatble results, and I know for a fact that the woman in our local primary school playground who is be-wailing the miles away bad school she has been allocated put down 3 selective and super-selecive choices and 3 faith choices for which she is ineligible, Despite having 2 well regarded / high performing comps within walking distance.

It is this woman who will end up on a radio phone in or the news...and the story isn't the real story of people who actually do not live in any 'catchment'.

Huge sympathies for anyone who is facing a miserable summer of waiting lists and appeals - for their sake it is best that facts are told in context. Good tuck everyone.

Teddingtonmum
I thought you wanted a boarding place anyway and you always knew Gordons would be a long shot.

AtiaoftheJulii Wed 05-Mar-14 11:55:23

Re my waiting list query - I emailed the council (so now I probably look like a loon fretting about schools, which I'm not, I'm very happy with our choice, I just wanted to be sure what I was possibly signing myself up for!) and got an answer from the head of the admissions team:

"If you return the acceptance with no ticks in any of the boxes then should a place become available at B for dd then the place at A will automatically be withdrawn. As dd is some way down the waiting list of B it is unlikely that a place will become available at that school but if it does it will probably be late into summer. In that case we will contact you before withdrawing the place at A to allow you the opportunity to decide which school you prefer."

Shootingatpigeons Wed 05-Mar-14 12:33:55

Herc I am sorry that my post appears nasty but I know so many people in this borough who genuinely put down the six nearest local schools and get places at none of them, indeed no place at all, and I have huge empathy for them, not least because it happened to is. I have sat in front of our Council Cabinet to highlight the iniquity of the system. It is a very emotive issue in our borough which is why in the local thread you will find four threads on the schools issue of more than 1000 posts where in recent years many parents of both primary and secondary school children have expressed the stress of finding themselves without a local school place, Some primary school children haven't started school until Christmas and many who live in areas that are black holes of provision do indeed find themselves feeling forced to go private or move even if they can't afford to. However Teddingtonmum does not live in a black hole, she lives somewhere people move to to get into the local school. It had over a 1000 applications many of whom knew they had no chance of a place and was very very oversubscribed.

Teddingtonmum always intended to go for a Boarding School. I totally respect that choice. She also knew if she didn't make that school one of her six preferences she would almost certainly be offered one of the less popular academies some distance away. I know so many people that are genuinely the victims of unfairness that it does seem rather insensitive for her to don the mantle of martyr in quite such an emotive way.

HercShipwright Wed 05-Mar-14 12:51:52

It just seems very petty mean spirited and stalky to follow a poster into the allocation thread when you yourself are many years away from having a Y6 child (and have privately educated anyway, so never even went through the state process) just to be nasty to her. Why would someone do that? And it's derailed the thread too.

HercShipwright Wed 05-Mar-14 12:52:44

There's obvious some history of bad blood between you but to follow her into this thread and start it up all over again is bad form, no?

tiggytape Wed 05-Mar-14 12:56:38

But regardless of Teddingtonmum's personal intentions, you admit that the scenario she describes is perfectly true and affects many people. Parents are applying for their 6 nearest schools and either not getting a place at any of them or not getting a place at all. It happens in our borough too - in lots of London boroughs in fact.

It is a huge problem whether or not this is exactly what happened in Teddingtonmum's case I don't know (I haven't seen any of her other posts about choices) but the point she makes about the London blackspot problem is a very valid one.

Yes a few people who do the 'we've been failed by the system' newspaper articles are to blame for putting down stupidly unrealistic school options BUT a lot of people who get no school or none of their options listed perfectly reasonable schools and in many cases the 6 nearest ones to home discounting single sex or faith ones that they wouldn't be eligible for

ShredMeJillianIWantToBeNatalie Wed 05-Mar-14 13:09:19

Whatever the situation, I wish everyone the best in finding a school they are happy with. There is lots of helpful information on the 11+ website at the moment regarding waiting lists and appeals - good luck.

mary21 Wed 05-Mar-14 17:41:36

unfortunatly shooting is right. teddington does live in an borough with blackspots. however where she lives isnt one of them. her post should have read ??? my local ofsted rated good +over over subscribed school was not the right school for my child. for personal reasons i did not want him to go there. (this is totally fine and we all have a right to our opinions.)i therefore put down our local ofsted outstanding school with shrinking catchment. which we are out of catchment for and other schools which we had little chance of getting . i have always really wanted boarding as it suits my personal situation .
teddington. it many ways you are lucky. decisions have been taken out of your hands. picking the indy which you really wanted is now a no brainer. even if it does mean poverty.Its still worth hanging out for turing though. i assume you are the waiting list. unfortunatly there are many in the area who live next to TA or HA who would cut of their right hand to have been in the catchment of the school you didn't want.
hope R goes well.

Teddingtonmum1 Wed 05-Mar-14 19:49:27

Hi shooting ,
I had a personal reason for not choosing Teddington,as you know but i am certainly not a martyr but I did put down Turing house and Orleans and if i got offered orleans to be completely honest i would have had to seriously consider my options but as fate would have it got a no DS got an indy offer but its for another 25% more than initially expected ie more than my mortgage payments so a huge commitment As a single parent haven't spoken to the other parents to see if everyone got Teddington but out of 261 places 103 went to siblings. Fortunately I only have 1 child so I can make the sacrifice I'm am having to move out of Teddington sob to raise the cash but not everyone has the means or the offer that we have and I would be distraught if TA was the only thing offered so despite having limited funds ive fought tooth & nail for an alternative. That's my pension gone to the dogs ....

its alright shooting I don't take it personal everyone just wants the best they can possibly get for their DC just thankful never have to go thru it again Amen ....

Shootingatpigeons Thu 06-Mar-14 16:46:16

Teddington I hope your son thrives at Reeds. Everyone I know who has gone there has been happy. I totally respect your decision.

As it happens I have been through the state applications process myself with two DDs at 4 and 11 (and an in year application) and only once had an offer for a local school, which is why I do have empathy for others, and get involved with trying to put some pressure on the Council, and both parties to change things. The problem is that we know the Council monitor mumsnet (I know hmm) and will quote things back to try and reinforce their spin that 70% get first choice, 32% of applicants who disappear from the waiting were, like you, always going to go elsewhere, you can't please everybody and everybody who needs a place is accommodated etc. etc. conveniently ignoring all the angst you and I know is caused.

tiggytape Thu 06-Mar-14 17:07:26

Yes the statistics aren't much comfort in individual cases.

2 out of 3 people getting their 1st preference is wonderful except if you are one of the 33% who doesn't or worse, one of the 12% (in some boroughs) that gets none of your 6 options at all.

For some their 2nd of 3rd choice is a perfectly acceptable and a local school but for others the first 1 or 2 schools on their list represent their true preferences or most local schools and slots 3-6 are filled with options that they may either be less keen on or actively not want at all. Getting preference number 4 is not a cause for celebration for most people.

And despite there always being a few people who list ridiculous choices, most people in the last 3 years know the score. They are listing local and realistic options on their forms not pie in the sky academies 10 miles from home so they are even more disgruntled and horrified not to get in.

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