triple science or not?

(37 Posts)
zooweemumma Tue 17-Dec-13 16:16:14

Am sure the school will advise when the time comes but dd1 wants to take triple science. In my ignorance I assumed this was physics, chemistry and biology blush but she says, no, double science still covers all three subjects but in slightly less detail. Is that right? And if she wants to be a physio would triple science be better than double science?

LIZS Tue 17-Dec-13 16:23:29

yes double is all 3 too ! One gives 3 GCSEs , the other 2. ds is doing double , we were told if one is weaker then only the better 2 grades count.

MagratGarlik Tue 17-Dec-13 16:57:13

Double science is still all three and some schools will allow DC to do A'level sciences with double rather than triple, though the gap will be bigger between gcse and A'level if they've done double. (Since schools only offer double too, so it won't make a difference to university applications).

Which is the best option will depend on the DC. Some schools do not timetable extra lessons for triple, meaning the pace of work can be quite relentless. In this case, unless dc are able to keep up easily, it may be better to get e.g. AA at double science than to get BBC at triple as a result of the effort being spread across more exams.

Best to talk to the school to see what they advise in the case of their particular school and your dc.

MagratGarlik Tue 17-Dec-13 16:57:50

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NorthernLebkuchen Tue 17-Dec-13 17:08:19

If she enjoys science and wants to be a physio then I would say she should strongly consider triple science.

Leeds2 Tue 17-Dec-13 17:27:43

My DD's school advised that anyone doing double science could still take the A Level, but they would find it harder than those doing triple for the first term.

If my DD had wanted to be a physio, I would have encouraged her to do triple.

I agree with the rest of the contributors. She will need to take Biology, plus preferably another science/ social science A level subject, and stand to achieve very high grades in these subjects - a typical uni offer might be ABB grades for Physiotherapy degree courses. See entry requirements on www.ucas.com. In order to get these high A level grades, it would be wise to make the jump between GCSE and A level as manageable as possible.

zooweemumma Tue 17-Dec-13 20:42:41

Thank you everyone. She's determined to do triple science whatever so I guess that that!

TalkinPeace Tue 17-Dec-13 22:14:13

at DCs school there are four ways to do science at GCSE

for the lowest ability, just to get through the Ebacc, they do Single Science which is modules B1, C1 and P1 of the syllabus

middle ability kids to Double Science which is modules B1, B2, C1, C2, P1, P2

pretty bright kids do triple science in three timetable slots - being B1, B2, B3, C1, C2, C3, P1, P2, P3

the top set do triple science in two timetable sets, allowing them to do another option.

If your child wants to do science A levels, they need to be in that last group.

Leeds2 Tue 17-Dec-13 23:02:12

Some schools only do double, or triple, science. At DD's school, they do both but you had to have permission to do triple.

zooweemumma Tue 17-Dec-13 23:06:38

Thanks. What other option? Do you mean another gcse? I think if you do triple science you can do science A levels, it's not dependent on having more than 10 gcses

TalkinPeace Wed 18-Dec-13 11:23:21

zoowee
sorry, by other option I mean on their options form choosing all subjects
so the lower ability kids do less GCSEs because the higher ability fit more into the timetable time

eg top two sets do English Lang and Lit, lower sets just do English during the timetable slot
top set do Maths and further maths, others just do maths

so if Science takes up two timetable slots, the bright kids have space for an extra humanity etc

it comes down to the size of the school and the range of pupils that they have everything from hairdressing to horse care to astronomy to Latin on the timetable

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn Wed 18-Dec-13 11:27:59

At DSs school they are told whether they can do triple science. It isn't a choice.

eatyourveg Wed 18-Dec-13 11:43:55

Talkinpeace in our school it goes beyond B3 C3 P3

single is 1&2 ie B1 B2 C2 C2 P1 P2
double is 1&2 plus 3&4
triple is 123 and 456

does it vary between exam boards?
ds1 did triple ds3 is doing double - same syllabus

TalkinPeace Wed 18-Dec-13 11:52:45

eatyourveg
does it vary between exam boards
almost certainly!

DD is lined up to do two science A levels from her triple

the syllabus for the double and triple is the same - up to a point ....
if you look the modules up online, the triple is extension work from the double

anchovies Wed 18-Dec-13 12:03:00

I'd take the advice of her science teacher personally. We make a recomendation at school and the students who don't follow advice generally have a tough time.

TalkinPeace Wed 18-Dec-13 12:52:31

anchovies
absolutely agree
at DCs school before options evening every child is given their "suggested" science choice
if they go against that - ie doing triple when double was suggested
all the other teachers have to initial the options sheet as they know that a bad decision will impact all grades
it usually works wink

zooweemumma Wed 18-Dec-13 17:50:24

Thanks. As far as I know it is compulsory to take English lit, language, maths, a language and rs. If she does triple science that's 8 already. Not sure how she's going to fit art, history, geography and sports science in there confused

zooweemumma Wed 18-Dec-13 17:51:35

Well I am sure she will listen to teachers. But she is determined to be physio so she will fight to do triple even of not recommended smile

TalkinPeace Wed 18-Dec-13 17:58:35

It depends on the kid.

DD is doing English Lang, English Lit, Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Geography, History, Latin, a modern language and a tech subject.

She dropped RE completely at the start of year 10 to free the timetable slot and is predicted good grades.

Another kid has just been forced to drop lots of extra curricular and a subject to keep the remaining grades up.

zooweemumma Wed 18-Dec-13 18:20:18

School will advise as very good at it, rs compulsory unfortunately (although dd likes it and gets excellent marks in it). Don't think she'll take further maths though. Don't want her to take art really as it's so much work and she does huge amounts of extra curric sport

TalkinPeace Wed 18-Dec-13 18:39:10

rs compulsory unfortunately
not if you request in writing that she stops it - a "bad thing" at infant school, but v v useful in year 10 fwink

zooweemumma Wed 18-Dec-13 19:34:26

Have considered that but Tbh she enjoys it and think it's probably an easy A smile

crazymum53 Fri 20-Dec-13 14:39:51

This hasn't been mentioned so far but the move to linear GCSEs will mean an increased number of exams for students taking Triple Science.
In previous years, schools have been able to spread exams out so students took Science exams in May/June in Y10 then either in Nov or March of Y11 so that if students had already reached their target grades they only had the 3 final Science exams in June of Y11. Now that all exams have to be taken at the end of Y11 this will mean Triple students taking 9 Science exams in May/June and also submitting 3 ISAs in March. This will make Triple Science an increased workload compared the previous years and may well mean that fewer students will be taking this option.

NoComet Fri 20-Dec-13 14:51:38

Do triple if possible, due to being dyslexic, and having a twat for a head of science, DD1 has got lumbered with double.

She wants to do science A levels so she absolutely has to get A/A* at double and will have to read up Units 4/5 in the holidays.

No problem for her as she already knows quite a bit of stuff to A level, due to having graduate scientist parents, but a nasty jump for DCs who don't talk science most days.

Also, she's been a sodding unpaid TA most of the last two (4.5years) due to being in too lower set all trough secondary. Great for getting ideas straight in your head I guess, but another GCSE would have been better.

Needless to say she has accepted an offer to do A level at another place.

TalkinPeace Fri 20-Dec-13 15:22:09

crazymum
DDs summer GCSE timetable is up on the Exam board websites : she has around 28 exams during the four weeks

titchy Fri 20-Dec-13 15:53:00

Crazy mum - it's only that way if they structure it so kids get a GCSE in each of the named sciences. They can still do Core in yr 10, additional and further in yr 11, as long as they don't mind the GCSEs being called Core Science, Additional Science and Further Additional science.

crazymum53 Fri 20-Dec-13 16:59:24

New government policy means that early entry for GCSEs is now being strongly discouraged. This may not affect students currently in Y11 who have already taken Core Science in Y10 but this will affect students currently in Y9 or 10. The link is attached [https://www.gov.uk/government/news/changes-to-early-entry-at-gcse]].

Shootingatpigeons Fri 20-Dec-13 17:31:15

Dd is now doing Natural Sciences at uni, an A*AA course, but did double Science because she wanted to keep up two languages, History and Geography. With four Science A levels that would have been more likely to strengthen her application than weaken it. The main thing was to get 10 A/ A* . She was a bit annoyed they didn't warn her there would be jump she would largely have to cover by herself in a couple of modules but nothing she couldn't handle. Frankly a breeze to some of the challenges presented by A2 Chemistry........shock

titchy Fri 20-Dec-13 18:07:46

Core is designed to be taken in year 10 - that isn't early entry! I have dc in year 10 doing this.

Whathaveiforgottentoday Sat 21-Dec-13 00:07:16

I've taught kids at A level coming from both double and triple science and have to admit, often can't tell which did which. If the school teaches triple science in normal science timetable they have to rush the teaching which means the knowledge is often a bit superficial and those who took their time when doing double have a deeper understanding.
The only real benefit of triple is that you're normally in with the best kids.

BackforGood Sat 21-Dec-13 00:29:59

You'll find when the time comes, there's usually a lot less 'choice' than you might think a bit like the idea of 'choosing' what secondary school you go for. It depends how the option blocks are set up.

My ds did triple science, and he's FAR less academic than my dd (in a different school) as, for her to do triple science, it meant she couldn't do enough of the other subjects she wanted. He, however, did the triple in the same lesson time as others in his school did the double - that's just what the top set did. Ironic really as he dropped all science as soon as he could, and dd wants to do A-levels in some sciences.

FirConesAtXmas Sun 22-Dec-13 08:37:27

I've just been looking at the GCSE options booklet at my DCs school.
They offer GCSE double science, or (for L6+), iGCSEs in 3 separate sciences.

punny Sun 22-Dec-13 23:57:30

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Erebus Tue 31-Dec-13 12:50:48

Argh, Talkin -12 GCSEs? What madness! Really! You know where my DS goes to school wink and I personally am cross that he has to do 11. They just don't need 11 GCSEs. DS is doing triple but at our school, the only way to do triple is 'fast-track' -so as to free up a lesson spot to do yet another GCSE which he doesn't need, hence we have 'Electronics' and 'Business and Communication' GCSEs (the latter is taken at the end of Y10, but even so!) for example.

DS needs to do triple for 2 reasons: he wants to do science A levels, he isn't particularly strong at anything else (as in doing double to allow a second MFL, or more than one humanity, or statistics as well as maths) and he's not that keen on Biology so can't afford to let a low mark in the Bio component of double bring his chem and physics marks down.

TalkinPeace Thu 02-Jan-14 17:49:21

Erebus
it seems madness on paper but
the double English is in a single lesson - just stretching them a bit
the double maths - ditto
the triple science is in a double lesson
no after school lessons, so far not too much stress
no early takes - its the huge block of exams next summer that will be fun !

and DD is doing science and maths A levels so it all slots
the PITA subject is the one that was meant to be fluffy ... if she'd not already done half the course work we would drop it!

losingtrust Fri 03-Jan-14 17:55:48

My DS has already been told he should do Biology, Chemistry and Physics as separates but they have been split into EBACC and non groups. This only leaves him two choices so he is giving up Geography so he can do History and cannot do Music and IT which seems a shame but he may get the opportunity to do that later. I just hope that those being told and encouraged to do all 3 get the support. I don't think his school does triple - just separates.

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