Sending my average DS to the local comp....or private?

(76 Posts)
Parmarella Wed 09-Oct-13 11:52:54

DS in y6 is average. To me this is an achievement as only 2 years ago he was 18 months behind!

I was thinking of sending him to our local comp, as it is quite good (good pastoral care, friendly, 85% 5+ A-C GCSE INCL Maths and Engl. but of course big classes and some low level disruption which is distracting)

Most MNers seem to have above average kids.

So I was wondering if anyone who has a more average DS, and sent him to the local comp, could tell me how they fared?

Lots of my friends send kids private, but the private schools here do not have better results than the comps, apart from one super selective he would not get into anyway.

Am I deluded in thinking an average kid at a local comp could do well in the end? Or will they slowly sink without a trace in a middle- bottom set? ( as MIL seems to think).

He is clever enough, just not "school clever" IYKWIM.

Have my heart set on the local comp, DS would liek to go there too, but no experience myself of the state system so am I seeing it with rose tinted spectacles?

Please reassure me about average kids at comprehensives!

GinAndIt Wed 09-Oct-13 12:08:14

Those are good results, and if you like the school and know the pastoral care is good, then I think it's a no-brainer really. Send him to the comp.

The only time I would consider the private would be if I could really very comfortably afford it, with no sacrifices etc, just for the smaller class sizes/hopefully reduced disruption etc etc. But it sounds as if the comp does well the 'average' child.

Most MNers have 'average', normal kids btw wink

callamia Wed 09-Oct-13 12:17:37

Good pastoral care and friendly might matter more to his academic progress than a more pressured environment.

If he's going to be happy at school, then half of the job is already done.

Not everyone is going to be in top set, but hopefully he'll have ample chance to find out what it is that he enjoys and wants to do in the future.

meditrina Wed 09-Oct-13 12:20:42

85% is considerably more than "quite good" in most areas.

handcream Wed 09-Oct-13 12:22:11

Can you afford the private option? I think SOME children do get lost in big classes and some average kids (I have one!) thrive within small classes and more attention.

He did much much better than expected in his GCSE's so we dont regret out decision for a moment.

mummytime Wed 09-Oct-13 12:30:49

My friends have a DD who was seen as well "below" average all the way through primary. She went to the same fabulous Comp my DC attend, and did fine in GCSE, she is now studying for an Art BTec and is hoping to go to Art college.
If your privates aren't that great, I'd save my money and get tutors if and when necessary. A Comp probably offers a wider range of opportunities if it is a good one. There are also increasingly chances for following more specialist paths at 14+ (specialist 14-19 schools). One may open near you, and be ideal if your son has found what he is passionate about.

AngryFeet Wed 09-Oct-13 12:33:25

Christ those are very good results for a comp! I would send him there. Private schools are not perfect and there are quite a few snobs. I went to one and did no better than friends who went to good comps.

GinAndIt Wed 09-Oct-13 12:48:29

Would it be possible to have a discussion about private vs state without someone dragging up the tired old 'snob' cliche?

handcream Wed 09-Oct-13 13:01:57

There are snobs everywhere. I thought there would be when we started in private education. I was wrong.

I'll be honest. If I had the money and an average child I would go private to give them a wider range of activities and opportunities. My DS's confidence has grown because he is turning to a nice little golfer and also he has had a go at Fives. Do I think he would have done as well academically if we havent chosen a private school in his case. No, I dont.

Kenlee Wed 09-Oct-13 13:43:36

I would go Private....

My daughter is doing really well there...

curlew Wed 09-Oct-13 13:49:09

85% a-c with English and Maths is very good for a comprehensive school,

Before you do anything else, look at the league tables and see how the low, middle and high attainers do. And what % of each the school has. If for some reason it has a very high attaining intake it might be that the high attainers do very well at the expense of the middle and lower. But it's more probable that a school with those figures will be doing well across the board.
If you like it and he likes it then go for it. You'll then have money to spare for golf and fives lessons out of school.............grin

silverangel Wed 09-Oct-13 14:17:52

85% including A-C is really good, by comparison our best local comp is 64% this year...I'd go for the comp and spend the money you save on fees on skiing holidays!

TeenAndTween Wed 09-Oct-13 15:08:08

My 'average' DD is doing well at our local comp, much better than we expected from her y6 SATs. Definitely no lost middle there. I think those results are very good, and it seems to me that a motivated child would be likely to do fine.

Save your money for a subject specific tutor if needed, and for extra curricular stuff.

TwistedReach Wed 09-Oct-13 20:21:07

Anyone who asks private or my local comp tends to go private. Iwould be delighted to be proved wrong.
People who consider private often dont have the conviction not to.
It's sad I think.

Parmarella Wed 09-Oct-13 21:13:35

Thanks for responses. Interesting point Twisted, I think I know what you mean.

I am genuinely undecided though. I am not British and have no preconceived idea ( or experience) of private vs. state.

I was state school educated myself and private never even occurred to me to start with. But you get sort of sucked in.

So far we have decided to sign him up for our local state school. I just did nog like the private school, partly for blathering on about stately homes and grounds. I don't care about that stuff, I want my children to be happy, independent and well educated. Am not into the posh and status stuff and frankly baulk at expensive school ski trips etc.

The results are above average, but so, to be fair is the intake (lots of pushy middle class parents at our comp ;) )

Maybe it is all more or less the same?

Parmarella Wed 09-Oct-13 21:16:38

Callamia, I would love to believe that. Do you think it is true?

Parmarella Wed 09-Oct-13 21:17:55

Kenlee, is your local comp no good? Or would you not have considered state school anyway?

ReallyTired Wed 09-Oct-13 21:21:04

Which school do you think your son would be happiest at? If the local comp is good then it makes sense to use it and save the money for university fees or a desposit for a mortgage.

muminlondon Wed 09-Oct-13 23:17:48

I'm assuming you've visited and talked to the teachers? The GCSE results do sound really high if it is a comprehensive, unless it has a exceptionally high level of prior attainment in its intake (about 1/3 high attainers is the average).

Class sizes in state schools can be much smaller than you might imagine in a secondary school (e.g. 25 per tutor group but smaller for some subjects - the average is something like 20). It varies. If your DS likes it - sounds like a great option.

Marmitelover55 Wed 09-Oct-13 23:27:37

I too think state. The results are pretty good and it sounds like you aren't bowled over by the private school. You ar luck o have such a good state option.

Loopytiles Wed 09-Oct-13 23:35:36

Those results are great. Would try out the comp, unless privates are over-subscribed you could always switch if it doesn't go well.

JustinBsMum Wed 09-Oct-13 23:43:04

Well, if the comp doesn't work out he can move!

Your DS seems to be coming on v quickly, perhaps that will continue. My DCs went to comp. It had a v good name locally, I visited during the school day for some reason, sat and waited to see the deputy head, it was break, all the children were moving between classes, smiling and cheerful, laughing and chatting, gave such a great impression. Perhaps you could visit the comp during school time to get an idea of the atmosphere there, perhaps take DS too.

BlackMogul Thu 10-Oct-13 00:50:54

Having experience of both sectors there is one key difference and it is nothing to do with class sizes, golf, GCSE results or subject options. The top private schools are brilliant for networking, parties and getting to know the future movers and shakers. If the local private school isn't in this league, and you don't think there is a difference between it and the comprehensive, keep your money for other treats and have some fun.

Mutteroo Thu 10-Oct-13 01:57:39

DD originally went to the best secondary school in the area & we were pleased to get her in there. Shes bright but had undiagnosed dyslexia, plus a lack of confidence which led to her becoming a victim of a nasty little bully. By year nine, we were at our wits end & felt our DD was being failed by her school. After being told by the head of year that teachers don't have time for the 'quiet, middle of the roaders when they've got so many loud mouths' to deal with, (yes he really said that), we moved DD to a private school we thought would be the making of her. It wasn't a particularly academic school, but it was small & had a reputation for being nurturing. We presumed it would help restore DDs confidence, instead it also ignored her dyslexia & presumed DD was being obstructive.

This private school was more interested in getting bums on seats & 18 months later, it was announced it would merge with another school. Thankfully DD had a very happy time at the new merged school who really looked after her. The state school later went on to be Ofsteded & was deemed to be coasting & not fulfilling its promise to all pupils.

Do your research OP & note private does not always mean better. if you've got good schools to choose from, why not see what they can do for your child? You could always move him if things don't work out? We don't regret going the state route & wish we could have stayed with it all the way through our DCs education. A bit of mix & match was the best option in our case.

Parmarella Thu 10-Oct-13 06:59:22

Reallytired, I think he might be happy at the comp( it is known for great pasterol care and settling in the y7's)but he can't comcentrate when there is too much distraction. My main (only) worry is ongoing low level disruption.

Parmarella Thu 10-Oct-13 07:06:51

Mutteroo, that os interesting. I had the feeling at the small private school they were nice enough but the teachers were so lacklustre, even DS commented on it.

JustinB's mum, I have visited all the schools twice, once on a normal day on my own, and once on an open day with DS.

Either way it will be a leap of faith necessitating a bit of luck.( after all you can be lucky or unlucky with yeargroup, tutor etc)

curlew Thu 10-Oct-13 07:07:11

Can I ask how you know there is low level disruption? Doe it happen in the top sets(assuming that's where your ds will be)?

Parmarella Thu 10-Oct-13 07:08:47

Curlew, more in low levels ( it is mentioned by ofsted) and not sure DS would be high sets as he is (only) average (level 4b or 4c)

MaggieW Thu 10-Oct-13 14:09:16

My DS, average in performance, but capable of more, has just started at local secondary comp. It has similar results and is a true London multicultural school. I got some particularly patronising comments from other Y6 mothers (whose kids were going private) last year (and also some interesting ones on MN) but saw that as being more about their own insecurities and prejudices than our choice.

On what I've seen so far, and I know it's very early days, we've made absolutely the right choice. DS finds the work so much more interesting than primary, is much more motivated to do homework, has great teachers and, above all, is very happy. He seems to have upped his game work-wise as well. I was worried about him sinking, and I think will always have that worry, but he's had a great start and I really couldn't have asked for more than that. I know we'll have ups and downs along the way, but I feel confident the school will help him (and us) to ride these out. I think what I'm basically saying is to disregard everything but your child's needs when choosing, which I am sure is what you're doing. Good luck.

mummytime Thu 10-Oct-13 14:17:05

A friend of mine has a DD at a high performing Academic girls school, and she has complained about some lessons being lacklustre. She is also trying to transfer her children out of their private schools into state ones.

jennycoast Thu 10-Oct-13 14:43:29

I'd think that at a comp with those sorts of results (that really is exceptional) that if Ofsted have mentioned low level disruption being a problem, the school will now have a thorough action plan to resolve it. If that's is your only concern, why don't you call and ask to speak to the head about it?

I think someone else mentioned this upthread, but don't assume that class sizes will be massively different. DD2 is in a school where 20 is the norm for most teaching classes, 25 for a few subjects.

Parmarella Thu 10-Oct-13 17:23:33

MaggieW, that sounds sensible, and I think it is what I will be doing too.

jennycoast, I have spoken to the HT, but not asked specifically about the low level disruption, as I thought it might just be a natural "byproduct" of large classes? It happens in primaries too.

muminlondon Thu 10-Oct-13 18:49:36

Still curious about the low level disruption and whether you're concerned because you observed about it or read about it in an Ofsted report. When is this happening?

A lot of schools are now getting marked down by Ofsted because the teacher spends too much time talking and not getting the children themselves to talk, ask questions, discuss theories, compare answers, etc. So if the disruption is about children discussing work or their understanding of the task it's not a bad thing. Whereas in schools with beautifully behaved children and no background noise they may look like they are listening intently or dutifully writing notes but there's no real learning or probing going on.

Also in secondary schools they are constantly moving around and if school periods are shorter, this may happen more frequently. So it might be a feature of the first 10 minutes but it is obviously not interfering with their learning.

Just a thought ...

VivaLeThrustBadger Thu 10-Oct-13 18:56:49

If the comp and the private are getting similar results it could well be that the teaching is better in the comp.

A private school with smaller classes, better resources, with kids who all have parents who are interested in their education, they should be getting better results. Which makes me think the comp is a better option.

Parmarella Thu 10-Oct-13 21:59:57

Muminlondon, well you have explained it really. It was mentioned in Ofsted ( but only in a very few classes) and the impression I got when walking around.

But I was last in a comp in the 80s, and things have changed!

muminlondon Thu 10-Oct-13 23:27:23

If it was mentioned in the Ofsted report and they have a good head, they could sort that out. All schools have 25 hours of teaching/learning time per week but some choose to have four periods of 1 hour 10 minutes ending up with, say, 20 periods, others break up every 50 minutes and have 30 periods. I quite like the idea of longer periods with more in-depth focus but (without knowing much about this) it might suit boys better to have shorter periods, or a broad curriculum, or it might reduce the amount of homework they'd have to rely on. Otherwise, surely they could just make sure the teachers are more efficient in ending their lessons on time.

I'm sure they'll be on to it. I like the idea of noisy engagement rather than passive silence, though!

clary Fri 11-Oct-13 00:11:51

Those GCSE marks are very impressive!

My DS1 is pretty well below average (due to SEN) and goes to the local secondary school. He is doing OK FWIW.

I teach in a secondary serving a relatively not well-off area. Lots of the students achieve very well, if they are prepared to work hard and have average ability they usually leave with a clutch of C-B grades smile

Your local school sounds like a no-brainer, I agree.

muminlondon noisy engagement is what I am aiming for smile well I'm not getting passive silence anyway!

curlew Fri 11-Oct-13 03:10:30

I think sometimes you have to decide whether what you're hearing is low level disruption or a purposeful hum.

When I first started to go into modern secondary schools I couldn't always tell the difference, because my own secondary school experience was of the complete silence at all times type. It's very easy to sit in complete silence and not take in anything that is being said to you and it look like a good lesson.

However, proper low level disruption is a pain in the neck!

Parmarella Fri 11-Oct-13 07:01:13

I have to admit that it was me thinking the kids talked rather a lot in some of the lessons I saw. So low level disruption is probably a misnomer, I linked the two together.

I am sooo out of touch! I went to a very academic school jn the 80s where mostly we copied silently of the board, or answered questions in our books. I remember secondary as dry and dull. I would love it to be a bit more fun and dynamic for DS!

Parmarella Fri 11-Oct-13 07:06:01

The HT made a very good impression, very no nonsense, to the point, but friendly. Same for a deputy head I met ( who actually explained the school ethos is all about involving kids and engaging them, rather than a "teacher talks, pupils listen" set up), I am just so old fashioned in my mind and think letting kids talk in class sounds a bit "newfangled" and risky. I blame my old school!

mummytime Fri 11-Oct-13 07:25:38

Talking in lessons really isn't necessarily disruptive. If you can overhear what they are saying and it is about the subject, it means they are very engaged in learning.
If you think about it, in any training you do as an adult; there are frequent opportunities to discuss, often in small groups. As an adult I have never been to a course (as opposed to a public lecture) where someone just stands up the front and talks, while I write notes. If they did I would probably forget most of it when I went home, or even worse go home having mis-understood something crucial.

Low level disruption is when pupils talk at the wrong time, are mainly off topic, are not engaged in the work, and are probably bored. Boredom comes from work being too easy or too hard, or presented in a totally undemanding way.

musicalfamily Fri 11-Oct-13 09:05:33

Back to the original question, it sounds like your son is happy and doing well. In the years I have learned that you can only make the choice that feels the right one at the time, which doesn't always turn out how you want it to be for so many reasons. And remember that every child is different.

What I am trying to say is that I would carry on there and then review the situation regularly - you can always switch later on, provided he maintains a good standard of education.

The reason I say all of the above is that in my experience, a school can be excellent for a child and terrible for another, for so many reasons: change of teachers, style/personality of teachers not agreeing with the child, school ethos being wrong for the child, bad fit with a particular year group, the list really is endless.

I have had 3 children so far in an outstanding state primary and 2 are sailing through and one has had a hard time/hated it most of the time. I have no illusions that it will be a similar situation at secondary. If I were you I would just wait and keep a firm eye on what's going on.

cory Fri 11-Oct-13 09:24:23

Ds is average/slightly below average and he is very happy at the comp.

Any low level disruption he has probably been responsible for himself tbh (blush), but the school have dealt with it swiftly and efficiently and he is pulling himself together as a result. He was in bottom sets in primary and is now slowly moving up. Partly because of engaged teaching, partly because of the example of the other pupils.

Parmarella Fri 11-Oct-13 09:52:28

well, having visited schools twice, with and without DS, and talking to DH, friends, and MN (wink), and thinking carefully about all the plusses and minuses, I have just signed him up for this comprehensive.

The privates are out, if they can't outperform the state schools here, what's the point. We can do loads of sport locally anyway. (and do)

People have commented on the results of the comp being good, but it is the "poor relation" of the excellent one a bit further down the road which gets a stonking 93% 5A*-c incl Eng, Maths GCSE (oversubscribed and out of catchment though).

We seem to be living in a good place for comps I guess.

It feels nice to have made a decision. Intuitively this feels right as well.

PrettyBelle Fri 11-Oct-13 12:25:18

Parmarella, just wanted to thank you for this thread and for sharing your experience. I may be looking at a similar situation in a few months' time so it was very helpful. Best of luck to your son in his studies!

Gilbertus Fri 11-Oct-13 12:37:09

Sounds like youve made a good decision. We went private for our average but sporty dd1 but only because the school has excellent results which are quite a lot better than the local comp (which is in itself above average I believe). There are a few privates locally which have results below the comp and tbh I think those parents are wasting their money!

willyoulistentome Fri 11-Oct-13 12:45:29

I'm at the same stage as you. Have also been wondering whether we could afford private for our 'academically average at best' son. Looked a few privates. There are a couple of super selective ones which he would not get into even if we could afford it. Plus being so selective there is WEAK SN support - only for physical SN really. I also looked at the local comps.

Our catchment one is 'Outstanding' but over subscsribed, and has FABULOUS support for SN kids. Only 600 kids.

One the other way is also 'Outstanding' and has a fabulous feel, amazing facilities and also good SN support. It also has a 6th form, so that one less worry in 5 years time. We are not actually in catchment, but with a lot of appealing we would probably get him in according to the HT. Nobody who persisted was turned away in previous years.

I LOVED both of them, so now I have to decide which order to put them in on our application.

Another one that was 'good' which he would get into easily even though we are not in catchment, I HATED. Shabby, gloomy,buildings, scruffy dour staff and kids. Obscenities over the walls - even in the 'artwork' on display. Uninspiring HT.

Also looked at non selective privates - hated them too for the same reason as the shabby comp. ( apart from the F words in the changing rooms)

We will go state. In our area, unless you are loaded AND a genius it's by far the best option for average kids around here. We are very lucky.

KittiesInsane Fri 11-Oct-13 14:42:31

Seriously? 93% 5A* to C for a comp?
Seriously?

Our local is supposed to be in the top 10 comps in the country and doesn't get that.

Have they published the '5A* to G' results by mistake?

KittiesInsane Fri 11-Oct-13 14:46:00

...or are they selecting on the sly, by plush postcode and expensive uniform?

curlew Fri 11-Oct-13 14:47:33

They certainly have very few low attainers or FSM kids.............

ShellingPeas Fri 11-Oct-13 15:04:24

My DD, year 7 this year, is average academically. She goes to the local comp which gets 70% A*-C including maths, but this has improved from around 45% 5 years ago (new head). They have small classes - 26 in tutor group, other classes around 22. This is in comparison to my older DS who is at grammar in the next county - his classes were all minimum 32 up to year 10, and now are around 28 on average.

In my DD's comp they have put children into streams and then set within those streams right from the outset (they did CAT tests on induction days plus SATS results) - there is flexibility to move within sets and within steaming groups too so they do seem to cope well with the variety of learning abilities. So far my DD hasn't complained of any disruption in classes.

I think you've made the right decision especially if the private schools aren't producing any better results.

The only comps achieving anything like 93% incl maths and english round here are selective via religion - it's amazing the number of people who find God in year 3...

VivaLeThrustBadger Fri 11-Oct-13 15:57:27

We have a comp near us which gets 98% gsce a-c grades.

However if they think a kid isn't going to pass their GCSE they refuse to enter them for it. Happened to a colleague of mine with a child there. They had to pay privately for his History fee. The school would refund them the money if he passed. Which means they could include him in the stats if he passed and not if he didn't.

VivaLeThrustBadger Fri 11-Oct-13 16:02:14

Just checked and I was wrong. They got a 99% gcse a-c pass rate.

VivaLeThrustBadger Fri 11-Oct-13 16:03:28

I refused to send dd there even though she could have got a place. I hear horror tales of the most awful, pushy environment who don't give a toss about pastoral care.

muminlondon Fri 11-Oct-13 16:10:10

Sounds like a good decision to me. And if your DS is happy with the school he will look forward to it and get more out of it. If the comps are so good round there, it suggests the whole community supports them so he is likely to make lots of good friends. Good luck smile

TheAngryCheeseCracker Fri 11-Oct-13 21:22:33

That sounds awful muminlondon!

It can be such a rat race, kids must be so stressed!

muminlondon Fri 11-Oct-13 23:17:45

Oh no, did I say that wrong?! State schools are great where I live too. I actually think some children at small private schools don't have the social advantages of a good local school where you know your neighbours and the school has a big role in the community.

clary Sat 12-Oct-13 00:10:06

viva is that figure including English and Maths?

A school near us got 100% 5 A-C last year bu that didn't include E and M which made quiet a difference.

VivaLeThrustBadger Sat 12-Oct-13 07:13:41

Yes, includes maths and English.

The school is in a league of its own as far as state comps go, it models itself on a private school.

Very strict, it has a planetarium, its own riding school, sixth form has a boarding house. It owns a property in France for school trips and freebie holidays for teachers and their families

Like I say if a kid is borderline for passing the school won't enter them.

muminlondon Sat 12-Oct-13 07:28:43

A planetarium?!

I've heard there are comprehensive schools with swimming pools, theatres and video editing suites (not near me though!). I was impressed by a 3D printing machine in the DT block.

TheAngryCheeseCracker Sat 12-Oct-13 08:17:23

Sorry muminlondon, I got mixed up, I meantviva's school sounded stressy, not yours

curlew Sat 12-Oct-13 09:07:23

"The school is in a league of its own as far as state comps go, it models itself on a private school.

Very strict, it has a planetarium, its own riding school, sixth form has a boarding house. It owns a property in France for school trips and freebie holidays for teachers and their families"

Where does the money come from?

VivaLeThrustBadger Sat 12-Oct-13 15:55:09

God knows where the money comes from. Especially as the exec of the academy and the head of governors were arrested last year for fiddling money out of the school.

VivaLeThrustBadger Sat 12-Oct-13 15:57:32

It's an academy which "has more control over its finances as its funded by central government rather than via a local authority".

VivaLeThrustBadger Sat 12-Oct-13 16:03:53
muminlondon Sat 12-Oct-13 16:27:14

That's not a comprehensive. 1% low attainers? 5% disadvantaged and 1% SEN? The admissions policy is one of the most bizarre I have ever seen, operating like a closed shop where places are handed down within the family. Once your child is in (if you move as close as possible to the secondary) and his/her sibling will be the lucky recipient of one of 2-3 places 'allocated' to each of 50 schools. But some schools are more 'equal' than others. Does it own the land around the school and charge ground rent or something?!

clary Sat 12-Oct-13 16:34:43

Actually my kids' comp has a swimming pool and a theatre. Not sure about video editing but they can certainly do some pretty fancy ICT stuff too...

VivaLeThrustBadger Sat 12-Oct-13 18:08:40

It's classed as a comp. though I wouldn't be surprised if something dodgy goes on with the admissions.

They admit 10% on ability which all academies are allowed to do. They run master classes for year five kids at weekends and even getting a place on these is invite only.

The admissions for the other 90% (off the top of my head) is that local primary schools are allocated so many places. Number of places depends on the size of the school. So dd's old primary gets six places. The six places will be given to the six kids who live nearest the secondary. But there can be another closer primary where all the kids live closer than my dd but if they're a small school they only get allocated two places. So a child that lives further away can get a place over a kid who lives nearer.

They don't own any land as far as I know.

KittiesInsane Sat 12-Oct-13 19:54:53

Riiiight.

So if its intake has 1% low attainers, the 93% A*-C are obtained by children 99% of whom would be expected to get at least 5 A*-C.

I'll stick with our local schools.

curlew Sat 12-Oct-13 22:44:13

A grammar school in Kent that got(I think) 95% A*-C has recently been put in special measures because the kids weren't making sufficient progress. You need to look at what goes in as well as what comes out. I wish I could post that in letters of fire at the top of every secondary education thread. You have to look at results in context.

losingtrust Sun 13-Oct-13 13:56:18

Average children at primary are not necessarily average at secondary so some really spurt ahead at secondary. Feel your pain though DD year 5 below average and wondering the same although DS sailed ahead in year 6. It is difficult. Is he a summer born.

TheAngryCheeseCracker Sun 13-Oct-13 17:02:16

Hi, Parm here with a silly name change.

He is September born, which is both good and bad. I guess.

Marmitelover55 Sun 13-Oct-13 20:26:21

My DD1's comprehensive school achieved 91% A*-C inc maths and english for its first academy intake this year. It is truly comprehensive as it uses fair-banding for admissions.

curlew Sun 13-Oct-13 23:00:06

"My DD1's comprehensive school achieved 91% A*-C inc maths and english for its first academy intake this year. It is truly comprehensive as it uses fair-banding for admissions."

What % of children on FSM does it have?

KittiesInsane Sun 13-Oct-13 23:21:33

...and what proportion SEN... and what does it do with the children who aren't going to meet the grade?

Betcha it manages them out.

Marmitelover55 Mon 14-Oct-13 18:02:38

Curlew - I have the figures for 2012 for FSM and it is 25.9%. I think it will be higher in the 2013 figures, as there was still a non-academy intake included in the 2012 figures. National average appears next to it as 26.7%, so pretty close to national average. It says third quintile.

Regarding SEN it says 2.5% compared to national average of 8.1% so yes this looks low - lowest quintile.

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