Losing Teachers and Good Quality Education for our Children - GOVE!

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I just want to rant - over the past few days I have been reading on various threads about Teaching staff who are walking away or considering leaving education all because of the negativity from the Government and Gove and it really upsets me. It upsets me because some of you are obviously so passionate about your work but feel you have nowhere to go/can't work with the system. I want my child to be taught by valued and inspired teachers - what will be the state of education in a few years time when this man has finished destroying it?

ReallyTired Wed 15-May-13 10:27:05

Our headteacher has left and decided to work for a charity because he could not cope with the pressure.

I feel we need to consider the human element in education. It is important to have happy teachers as well as happy children who make progress.

jellysmum77 Fri 17-May-13 17:51:05

I have left teaching for the moment. Partly to be at home whilst my children are young but the decision was definitely made easier by what is happening in teaching at the moment. I felt the job was not about the children anymore, it was all about statistics and numbers. Of course this stuff has it's place but what should be at the heart of it all is the children and seeing what was happening made me feel very sad about the job. Teachers are constantly being put down in the media, it's the same for nurses/ NHS workers etc as well. The sooner that man is gone from Education and government full stop, the better x.

bookluva Sat 18-May-13 12:44:11

I agree!

sallythetutor Sat 18-May-13 13:23:25

I think it is unfair to lay the blame on Gove. I left the state system over 25 years ago and every education secretary has IMO been pretty useless. I have two children who went right through the state system and have to say that , even as a teacher myself, I found the performance of possibly 50% of teachers pretty poor. Having worked in the private sector where you are out on your ear sharpish for not delivering, then I think that there is a lot of scope for improving the performance in state schools. Many teachers simply do not want to teach but don't know what else to do- so staff rooms are full of demotivated teachers who hate their jobs- and that was long before Mr Gove was in office.

Picturepuncture Sat 18-May-13 13:26:56

Trouble is Gove is worse than useless he is actively dangerous as well.

Standards do need to rise in some areas, that isn't being disputed. It's a propaganda lie that Gove can raise standards- that is the problem.

Feenie Sat 18-May-13 17:59:17


The NAHT have passed a vote of no confidence in the government's policy.

This is the first time they have ever done this, with 99.3% of the vote.

The NUT, NASUWT and ATL all passed similar votes at their conferences - the ATL at least has never done this before either.

So please don't tell me he is no worse that any other Education Secretary!

StuffezLaYoni Sat 18-May-13 18:01:36
Feenie Sat 18-May-13 18:09:17


Talkinpeace Sat 18-May-13 22:20:59

Hi there Chloe74 I served my ban for outing you as Mrs Gove. Would you like to come and defend him now?
When even academy heads think he's an arse the fat lady has nearly finished singing.

Feenie Sat 18-May-13 22:50:48

Were you really banned, TalkinPeace? shock

Talkinpeace Sat 18-May-13 23:01:13

it was a "coincidence" but MNHQ were very unclear about their best explanation for my ban .... that is why the 2 appeared and then vanisehd from my name :-)
took a month to sort out

Sarah Vine used to defend her fragrant other half all the time
as I defend mine - but more carefully

Elibean Sun 19-May-13 10:48:01

I'm with you, OP.

As are many, many others.

cornypedicure Sun 19-May-13 11:14:28

sallythetutor - I've worked in state and private schools more recently and I disagree

if you've not taught in a state school for 25 years aren't you relying on your memory of your experiences to inform your views.....rather like Mr Gove?

TwasBrillig Sun 19-May-13 11:20:34

Was Mrs Gove really posting here? I'd be tempted to read some old threads (I'm too good at procrastinating).

I'd sort of like to return to teaching in September but threads from teachers and all the target driven drivel (I'm happy to have my own targets but linking my progress to that of the children is just madness. Its that sort of thinking that leads to concentrating on the c grades, teaching to the test, processing children rather than educating them),

Copthallresident Sun 19-May-13 13:18:01

What is interesting is that practically no one is coming on here to actually support Gove, as might have happened a few months ago. I think he has now succeeded in alienating just about everyone. Even my father who has become a bit of a Colonel Blimp in his old age is acknowledging the man is a twit, a dangerous twit. Last night teenage DD's social media was more focused on celebrating the Head teachers' vote of no confidence than it was on Eurovision grin

Sallythetutor which private schools are you talking about that quickly act to get rid of non performing teachers? DDs attended one of the top private schools in the country and amongst many good teachers there was the usual sprinkling of teachers who couldn't keep discipline, or handed out endless worksheets relying on a clever and motivated cohort to get the results. One of the ones that was hopeless at keeping discipline was repeatedly bought out of retirement because they apparently couldn't recruit anyone better! He wouldn't have survived two minutes in a state school.

Arisbottle Sun 19-May-13 13:23:46

Although it was very obvious who Mrs Gove was, it was unfair to our her and continue to do so.

Particularly when you are not willing to out yourself or more pertinently your husband .

Talkinpeace Sun 19-May-13 13:31:17

Aris : that account went dormant as I was not the only person who spotted it
and I CBA to see if she's posting again so her new account is safe from me.

the reason it became an issue was that the poster using that account implied that Gove knew more about education than any teacher

and got REALLY shirty when I pointed out that a cabinet reshuffle could leave him in charge of something like Agriculture instead ....

mrz Sun 19-May-13 13:32:55

"It's no wonder given they are allowing unqualified teachers into our classrooms, teacher morale is at an all time low and 6000 qualified teachers have left the profession on their watch."

Arisbottle Sun 19-May-13 13:35:02

I agree it was very obvious who she was.

You often speak as a great authority on education and yet I am sure you would not want to be outed .

Feenie Sun 19-May-13 13:40:08

I agree that no one would want to be outed, but would also say that posting on a public forum in praise of your politician husband, particularly one who is so unpopular, is a just a little bit indiscreet at best.

Talkinpeace Sun 19-May-13 13:40:47

:-) I'm an accountant, just married to somebody who sees more schools than most politicians!
And no, I'd rather not be named on here, but I'm agreeing with the crowd that Gove is a twerp grin

cornypedicure Sun 19-May-13 15:28:21

what exactly did Gove mean when he said that if ofsted was a cause of fear 'we're going to have to part company?'

Elibean Sun 19-May-13 16:02:03

Oooh, a cabinet reshuffle....yes, what a good idea....agriculture? Or why not make him something that would give him authority over his own party, so they could get to know him better? wink

Just not foreign affairs. Please.

rabbitstew Sun 19-May-13 16:45:14

Please, not agriculture. The harm he could do to our food sources doesn't bear thinking about...

Feenie Sun 19-May-13 18:05:53

He meant 'Good!'

Picturepuncture Mon 20-May-13 00:09:56

I NEED a link to a thread with Mrs. Gove on, can't believe I missed it...

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 10:57:04


Just in case my "catchphrase" is not obvious, Gove seems to be stuck between the two. Fcuked if he does, fcuked if he doesn't.

I mean, people complain that he is interfering too much. They then complain about him going hands off by promoting the idea of academies. People complain about him not listening to outside opinions. When the poor guy changes his proposals/policies people then give him grief for doing a U Turn.

Its as if the poor guy has thousands of wives giving him grief for not using his initiative about some household matter for example and then giving him grief for not consulting the wife when he uses his own initiative grin

And no, I am not Mrs Gove.

Elibean Mon 20-May-13 11:28:31

rabbit, good point. Stressed sheep, calves jumping through hoops....not good.

Elibean Mon 20-May-13 11:29:24

Habba, I don't think the U-turns are as a result of listening to people.

Except the people advising him on his political future, possibly.

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 11:30:10

Habba Gove wouldn't need to do a u turn if he actually developed his proposals and implementation plans based on sound evidence and in consultation with professionals. The history curriculum changed out of all recognition after it had been developed with actual teachers who initially supported him, based it would seem on he and his cronies brainstorming their memories of "our island story" over a pint in the pub. As Head of DDs top 10 indie has commented it is a shame that an opportunity to develop an education strategy fit for purpose in the 21st century is being passed over in favour of a strategy based on prejudice , a nostalgic appraisement of past practise seen through rosé tinted specs and an emphasis on creating sound bites for the press. He is after all a journalist, not a education or management professional. All he needs to do is reach for a basic book on the management of change. He put himself under that rock.

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 11:45:45

What is wrong with Gove's academy proposals? (a honest question).

Various people, both here and in the Press, have argued that Gove interferes too much in the way HTs manage their respective schools. Yet a lot of people are quite verbal about Gove and his promotion of adcademies which, correct me if I am wrong, free HTs from LEA interference.

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 12:08:10

Once again it is the top down dogma. In this area the opting of some of our schools to become academies has been welcomed, they have heavy community involvement and the community does not have a great deal of faith in our LA based on it's track record , we have a really good free school proposal that originated in the community which will provide much needed school places which will hopefully get approval soon. However I can fully understand why communities that feel differently would object to the heavy handed imposition of academy status and a sponsor who may or may not have community support. We have one academy sponsor who is not responding to community needs but is imposing an experimental approach to education based on computer based learning, and fake grassy knolls instead of classrooms which is not popular with many parents , yet there are not enough secondary school places for that to be a matter of choice.

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 12:20:15

I should add that Op is focused on how the cumulative effect of all this mismanagement is leading teachers to quit the profession. I know that my peers who went into teaching and have had long and successful careers are now completely disillusioned, these aren't lefties and hippies but people who have worked hard to enable their pupils to fulfil their potential but now feel the goalposts are getting moved and the playing field being tilted without any sort of valid GPS and that is unfairly affecting their pupils.

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 12:23:36

Evidence on my point above about academy sponsors www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/may/18/academy-pays-for-us-curriculum

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 12:23:39

What do you mean by "fake grassy knolls"? The only "grassy knolls" cultural reference that I am familiar with is to do with there being a second shooter in Dallas smile

muminlondon Mon 20-May-13 12:26:20

The Academies Commission report makes the point that autonomy was granted to headteachers in schools 20 years ago under 'local management of schools'. And many sponsored academies have been judged 'inadequate' by Ofsted (nearly 50 secondary academies are rated inadequate of which 36 have a sponsor). That's not including those previously failing but not yet inspected under their new management.

Some academy chains give much less freedom than the schools would have had LAs. The Observer reported yesterday on a new chain, Aurora, established by a US for-profit firm Mosaica, that imposes its own curriculum and charges the school for this money which goes to the parent company:


muminlondon Mon 20-May-13 12:27:25

Sorry cross-posted same link copthall

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 12:53:01

Habba Had not thought that would come in handy in History lessons wink but "curriculum model prioritises independent and autonomous learning. To deliver this curriculum they wanted a space where students can choose where and how they work."

" Acoustic Pods, StepSeats, VerTable Interactive, banks of integrated ICT desks and a range of soft and upholstered seats support collaboration or individual study."

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 12:56:03

Acoustic pods etc sounds like a great idea to me confused What am I missing?

Elibean Mon 20-May-13 13:36:39

Human teachers? wink

Elibean Mon 20-May-13 13:37:13

inserts happy before 'human'

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 13:54:42

Habba They may be but in terms of the whole teaching approach I really don't know whether it is good or not, no one does, it hasn't been tried in this country before. Even the teachers who are teaching it are (secretly) sceptical

I can see why parents might prefer our traditional outstanding local comps that are united by sharing proven best practise in traditional classroom teaching and offer a full range of academic subjects over an experimental approach which puts all of the curriculum in modules and learning streams on a computer that each pupil has to work through on their own. Some people might choose it of course but fact is that around here you don't get to choose unless you live in certain roads or are religious.

The proposed international curriculum based on the development of empathy criticised by OFSED in the link mum and I provided is about as polar an opposite as you can imagine to Gove's proposed History curriculum. If they do go to a secondary that sticks with it (which of course most academy and indie history teachers ties are already saying they won't) the get to miss out on "the first half of British History" which according to Gove is essential to their education confused

Copthallresident Mon 20-May-13 13:57:26

"indie history teachers ties" confused (?), and the teachers themselves obviously.....

bookluva Mon 20-May-13 17:58:25

LOL! :-)

bookluva Mon 20-May-13 17:59:55

LOL! :-))

EvilTwins Mon 20-May-13 18:53:16

I have been teaching since 1997. I've been in my current school since 2004 and things have never felt as bad as this. We are small- about 40 teaching staff, and at the moment, 6 are off with long term stress. The Heads of all three core depts are leaving (one has already gone- left teaching completely mid-year) and the amount of work for those of us left behind is difficult to handle. We are an academy, and so when we're asked to do extra cover, don't really have an option. With the long-term sick leave, there is an average of 9-10 teachers off every day at the moment- that's a quarter of the staff.

MrsTarizSachick Mon 20-May-13 22:14:58

"We are an academy"

So how is that whatever you are complaining about is Gove's fault then?

EvilTwins Mon 20-May-13 22:18:36

Do you honestly believe that academies are free to do what they want and able to tell Gove and his cronies where to go? HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA.

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 22:32:34

Actually that is exactly what I thought.

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 22:33:09

I mean, free to do what they want.

Elibean Mon 20-May-13 22:37:11

I thought academies were 'free' as in 'sorting out their own budget', but still bound by Ofsted and NC and suchlike??

Not too sure, because all the primaries in our area have vetoed academization for the time being, on a 'wait and see' basis. If and when one opts in, they all will - but for the moment none of our local primaries are academies.

EvilTwins Mon 20-May-13 22:40:07

Habba, that's hopelessly naive. As an academy, our money no longer comes from the LA, but we still do the same curriculum, exams and assessments as ever, still live in fear of OFSTED and its ever changing goalposts and still have to deal with the whims of Gove. Imagine a state secondary academy who decides not to do GCSEs of any kind? Would you send your kids there?

Thought not.

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 22:47:31

Which school are you talking about?

EvilTwins Mon 20-May-13 22:49:52

An imaginary academy who, free of all the trappings of the education system no longer has to follow any curriculum or get kids through exams, no longer gets OFSTED inspections and can set its own terms, conditions, pay, holidays and admission code. Is that what you thought an academy was? confused

I've left teaching, a job I have always done, for the time being. It is a good time to be home for my family but a even better time to be out of education. When I think about teaching I just feel a huge sense of relief.

And I am a good teacher too sad

'an even' blush

HabbaDabba Mon 20-May-13 22:58:14

confused you are having a little rant about Grove and academies. I asked you to explain the basis for your grievances. Why do you keep turning it around? Bit pointless because I don't have an opinion on the subject.

noblegiraffe Mon 20-May-13 23:32:21

If becoming an academy meant freedom from Gove, then teachers would be all for them. The fact that they're not suggests that academies are just as Gove-suffering as bog standard schools.

Whenever Gove opens his mouth and says exams are shit and need to change right now, that hits academies too. Whenever Ofsted says that schools are shit and need to change right now, that includes academies. Whenever either Michael Gove or Wilshaw says that teachers are crappy, work-shy whingers and it's a good thing that morale is so low, that hits all of us.

EvilTwins Tue 21-May-13 17:10:11

If you don't have an opinion, why are you on the thread? hmm

warwick1 Tue 21-May-13 18:45:39

Because EvilTwins its called 'freedom of speech'.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 18:51:19

having freedom of speech is pretty useless if you have nothing to say hmm

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 19:11:34

Agree - what's the point? confused

HabbaDabba Tue 21-May-13 19:29:05

Why am I on this thread if I have no opinion? Ermm because I like to hear people's argument before I form an opinion?

You obviously want to be left alone to have a Gove bitchfest rather then explain to me your logical arguments so I'll leave you to it.

mrz Tue 21-May-13 19:31:26

Most people who want to consider the argument listen (read) and contribute when they have reached a conclusion.

BoneyBackJefferson Tue 21-May-13 19:45:06

For years teachers have been told that they must tell pupils what their levels are, what their grades are, how to achieve the next levels.

For those that do not know gove is not allowing exam boards to tell teachers what the grade boundaries are, how can I as a teacher do my job, a job that gove tells me to do and sets the parameters, if he isn't going to tell what the parameters are?

As for the academies, gove and ofsted will have a field day as they are not telling schools what percentage A*-C they have to reach before they call them incompetent and force us to become an academy.

HabbaDabba Tue 21-May-13 20:07:28

mrz - I thought that was what I was doing? confused

People complain that Gove interferred too much. Academies are supposed to, in theory, give HT's the freedom they desire. Yet people are still complaining. I am trying to understand why.

Gove seems to be fucked if he does and fucked if he doesn't where you people are concerned. I know the feeling.

I mean, I ask questions so that I can form an informed opinion but I get grief for involving myself in the thread because I don't have an opinion. Then I get grief because I should read and listen before contributing. But unless I ask questions, how do I learn about your viewpoint?

And you are suppose to be teachers???

HabbaDabba Tue 21-May-13 20:14:47

No need to post a response ladies since I'm going to hide this thread.

I was hoping to understand more about Gove and why his policies are so unpopular with teachers but I seem to have stumbled into a bitchfest where I am supposed to stay quiet and listen to all the one sided bitching and then draw the 'logical' conclusion that Gove is a twat.

If you ladies think that Gove is twat then that probably means that he is the good guy grin

Talkinpeace Tue 21-May-13 20:14:57

Gove did not force schools to become academies to
give HT's the freedom they desire
he did it to break LEAs to which he is ideologically opposed - even the good and effective ones.

If heads were really being given freedom - why is Academy conversion being forced on heads and GBs who are happy in the LEA?

And of course Academies will be expected to magically stay "outstanding" and if they do not, then the school will be handed to a sponsor and the Head and GB replaced.
No pressure then

and these sponsors do not have to publish school by school accounts so are a very non transparent approach

Gove got booed at the Heads conference.
Half of all secondaries in England are Academies - do the math (as they say where I'm from)

mrz Tue 21-May-13 20:22:38

No you seemed to have missed out the listening stage ... and since you claim you have no opinion you clearly didn't wait.

My main issue with Gove is his habit of rushing into things ... curriculum review, done on the gallop ... consultations sent to schools during the school holidays ... ignoring the very people he asked to advise when they don't say what he wants to hear ...

Academies based on a failing system www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/opinion/more-lessons-about-charter-schools.html?_r=0 www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/nov/28/us-charter-academies-free-schools
wasting money buying in an inappropriate curriculum www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/may/18/academy-pays-for-us-curriculum

BoffinMum Tue 21-May-13 22:05:18

The reason teachers fret about Gove's reforms, is because they:

End up spending a lot of time worrying about new forms of paperwork and inspection that may have erratic and unpredictable outcomes, but which is likely to have very serious consequences both for them and the pupils they teach.

Worry about new kinds of tests and exams brought in very rapidly that they sense will not work very well, or which may well be very unfair for certain kinds of pupil.

Have to work with very precise instructions in how to teach certain things that they feel may not make any sense in terms of the particular pupils they have to work with.

Experience lack of access to the senior management teams because they are tied up in meetings linked to academicisation and restructuring, leading to less support in the day job than they really need.

Worry about their pay being cut in real terms because of new localised pay grading arrangements. This might be linked to worries about cronyism.

The reason Gove frets about teachers is because:

As he understands it, since the 1960s, teachers have been delivering a very child-centred curriculum at the expense of traditional knowledge-delivery methods of teaching, which he thinks is more important.

He also considers educational standards in the UK to be lower than they should be in terms of international comparisons, and holds teachers directly accountable for this.

Teachers are pretty expensive since their salaries went up in the 2000s, and there are a lot of them, so getting them working for less gives the Government a good opportunity to save a chunk of the public sector budget.

He is a former Thatcherite turned Tory moderniser, and he thinks that if he manages to look like a strong, determined, Far Right politician who has resolved the above problems, he considers that this will pave the way for him to become Leader of the Party, aka Prime Minister.

TwasBrillig Tue 21-May-13 22:14:28

I'm uming and ahing about returning to teaching. I love teaching but this is all part of the reason I'm not hurrying back.

Feenie Tue 21-May-13 22:18:56

Excellent post, Boffinmum

TwasBrillig Tue 21-May-13 22:22:06

Yes - ditto that!

Elibean Tue 21-May-13 22:40:30

Ditto that again.

And my main complaint is the same as mrz's - Gove rushes at it all like a bull at a gate. Which is not compatible with listening, considering, or thorough research.

Plus the rushing makes me suspicious of his motives, tbh. I think Boffinmum's last point is spot on.

BoffinMum Tue 21-May-13 23:07:55

Read Tim Bale's great book 'The Conservative Party from Thatcher to Cameron' if you want to understand exactly what he is up to, and why.

Anyway, the reason he rushes in is that he is pretty new to politics, as they all are in the Cabinet, and he hasn't developed the ability to judge the electorate properly. They managed to get into power almost by default, but whether they will manage to stay in power is a completely different question.

BoffinMum Tue 21-May-13 23:09:38

"No location is as undignified as being ‘in the centre’, somewhere the lowest common denominator and the highest public spending meet" ... an arid region where no principles can take root, no insitution can be sure of its foundation, no banner can be firmly placed. For that reason, it is a particularly shameless place for politicians to be ... The natural inhabitants of the centre are those politicians of easy virtue, prepared to massage public opinion but never challenge it"

Michael Gove, The Times, April 1999.

BoffinMum Tue 21-May-13 23:10:32

I think we can safely say our public opinion is being properly challenged, don't you? wink

TwasBrillig Tue 21-May-13 23:13:27

I think he has an incredibly low opinion of teachers, and a low understanding of what teaching is about. Sadly I don't think either are likely to change as he isn't able to listen.

Copthallresident Tue 21-May-13 23:42:34

Well he evidently also has a low opinion of pupils, and by extension parents, so pupils, parents, teachers, that leaves a rather small constituency of support, since on the whole the 20-30s won't much care, and a fair few of the rest are grandparents, even my very right wing in laws who were "disgusted" at Thatcher's betrayal are "disgusted" with him.

Elibean Wed 22-May-13 10:23:16

Boffinmum grin

warwick1 Wed 22-May-13 15:35:07

I think you are probably correct habba this is very much a political thread. Open minds not welcome it would seem.

Talkinpeace Wed 22-May-13 17:30:19

My mind is open to reforms that enhance front line services.

I think PIckles is an arse - BUT - he removed the ringfence from many grants which was undeniably a good thing that undid a stupid thing of Broons. PIckles has enforced increased transparency - in a bullying way admittedly - but again a good thing.

Gove's good thing was to unpick the grade inflation ski slope and to remove the BTec anomalies.
Gove's other good thing has been to force colleges and employers to relook at apprenticeships rather than just increasing University numbers.
Sadly Gove's BAD thing is that he - having talked about devolving power - cannot stop fiddling and interfering.
He's like a helicopter parent wanting to cut up the playdough because the kids are too young, rather than letting them learn.

nlondondad Thu 23-May-13 10:08:48

The problem that this thread is running into is that when a topic really matters, and people are passionately engaged in it, and most people feel able to have an opinion, it starts getting heated and , in places ill tempered. Yet what that really proves is that the topic is worth discussing and should be discussed. And actually the OP said that what they were doing was having a rant anyway with an implicit invitation to join in...

I do think the question "why are people so upset with Mr Gove?" a good one, so I think I will now ask it on a new thread.

Copthallresident Thu 23-May-13 12:10:25

TalkinPeace "Gove's good thing was to unpick the grade inflation ski slope and to remove the BTec anomalies."

This is the problem with Gove though, and the reason people are getting upset. He doesn't address the issues with well thought out plans that people can understand and see are fair I don't think there are many people who did not think the grade inflation problem didn't need tackling BUT the way he did it last year was hamfisted and showed absolutely no respect for the young people it affected. It affected pupils in an inconsistent way and for some it will affect their chances to compete with others for jobs and university places. It has left teachers struggling to know where the goalposts are.

He didn't look at the current state, issues and desired state and come up with a plan to achieve the desired state that was fair and understood by the stakeholders, teachers, universities, employers, pupils, parents... He just fired off some soundbites at OFQUAL and the result was what one of our local Tory Councillors described as a fiasco, with a lot of 16 year olds left upset and struggling to regain the confidence their schools and teachers had worked so hard to build up. Remember this affected all schools state and private, so that's a complete whammy. The Head of my DD's top indie has made it clear that as a result they have lost all confidence in the UK examination systems and are shopping around to find the best way of insulating their pupils from the effects of this sort of ham-fisted political interference.

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