RGS Guildford entrance 2013(246 Posts)
Anybody know if any rejection / second interview letters have yet been received?
I'm fully expecting a rejection letter, but I don't believe they have been sent yet.
Don't be defeatist. The little devils retain the ability to surprise, as you know. But I share your nerves.
Nothing yet. Are the 13+ letters the same timescale?
Not heard from them yet.
They said rejections and second interviews would go out first. The longer you wait, the brighter the prospect was what the head said, as sure-fire acceptances are the last people to hear.
Bravely opened postbox! Nothing here today either!
Labro ..wishing you the best for that lucky letter ...wil be going through similar myself next year ..so really hope you DS got through (since like me, you stuck to DIY prep rather than private tuition). It will give me hope.
Best of luck to all the others nervously waiting on this thread for RGS too..
Thanks Amber, though the feedback from ds about the interview isn't encouraging!
Signing in to this thread to wait nervously with the rest of you .....
I already have a DS at RGS so know how fab it is, hence it all feels a bit more pressurised this time round. DS2 came out of the entrance exam very positive about how it had gone but who knows?
Good luck to everyone!
May I join you to worry about the letter! Dreading getting home today to see if it has arrived! DS is very keen on this one but not really top-of-the-class material tbh.
not sure if the postman is coming today.
Don't think our postman's coming today...
What about calling to ask if they've sent out rejection/second interview letters yet? I would do this but I've rung Mrs Sweet so many times in the past month with questions that I'm afraid if I ring again I might be blacklisted!
Hi, first time on here
We are awaiting results from Rgs as well. Saw the HM few days before exam who told us that all papers were gone through by him and his staff Tuesday lunchtime and into the late evening so that we get to know the results asap.
Postman has been today and no letter...phew!
My DS did not enjoy the exam and didn't finish the Eng comp. so expecting a rejection letter.
How did everyone else get on?
Hi Fayerfield. My DS didn't finish the comprehension either. He came out and said he found the second half of the maths paper really hard (first half OK), verbal reasoning was easy and he finished 5 mins early, and English was OK, although last question not finished.
He told me some of the questions he was asked in the interview and it sounded as though he gave some good answers, though I have no idea if a good interview could tip the balance on candidate who didn't finish one of the papers, or whether the interview is really just to decide between all the brilliant candidates who get top marks in all 3 papers.
I was really hoping to find out if any letters were received today. I can't take the waiting!
Hope you get a yes. Sounds like our boys did the same.
My DS did not finish the comp last question worth 9 marks, completed VR, finished the letter inviting a friend to the school but no time to read it through, maths no time to do the last 4 questions and paper was hard but put down any letter answers for those ones and the interview he says was okay. Was asked about his hobbies and if he was an animal what he would be. He thinks that was okay. He thinks 70% sure fail Also sat the Reeds exam which was easy and came out smiling.
I hate this waiting......
Nothing here either. DS verdict was the english was easy, the maths was too hard (which probably translates as 'I didn't finish it') the vr had a question with something about breaking a code and there was no example of any code (he's moaned a lot about that one!) and the interview has been labelled 'stupid and weird' because they asked him if he was a superhero which superhero would he be rather than asking about his hobbies.
Sounds like the boys all found the exam to testing. Did anyone have a good day there? May be we are all so close that the rejection letters will take longer to come out as no one did well! That and the snow delays...
My DS made a couple of friends and came out in good spirits. He found the exam hard but not so much so as to upset him.
I just find it really hard to judge the standard of the other kids. RGS takes pretty much 50/50 state/prep boys, and there must be quite a difference between them in terms of level of preparation for the exam. Plenty of mums of state school boys on MN say they just gave their boy a few Bond papers in the couple of weeks before and he got in... but I've been doing practice papers with my boy since the summer and have no idea whether he'd be able to perform well unaided.
I hope our postie comes tomorrow...
My DS came home okay but a bit disappointed as he really likes the school. He did sit the Wilsons exam and didn't finish that maths paper and thought he had failed but got told he passed! Think that was 390 out of 1580 passed so fingers crossed.
380 took the 11+ on Saturday at RGS
Hope our postie delivers tomorrow another day then without receiving a NO but am hoping to scrape in, so I don't want an RGS letter till Feb.
If papers marked then examined by HM etc on Tues, NO LETTERS and MAY BE INTERVIEW LETTERS typed Wed and posted Thurs is my calculation. Has anyone heard my nails are getting very short?
Hi Fayerfield, I was trying to work that out too - thinking maybe Saturday a likely delivery day? My DS seemed to enjoy the day although left exhausted and said that he had found the maths hard and had left one of the English questions out. The interview seemed to go quite well - but like a previous poster - I am not sure how much emphasis is put on this? Do know that DS does not shine at exams so I don't know what to think at the moment. We are going for deferred entry by the way :-)
I am curious ...so 380 sat , so is that 380 vying for 150 places (including 50 deferred)? If so, the odds are better than I would have thought for such an academic and selective school...assuming deferred entry, is CE percentage expected to be 65% or 70%?
Yes Amber2, this exam included those going for deferred places. I don't know how many sat though - where did the 380 figure come from?
RGS shut early today due to snow so I guess that may have an impact if they haven't posted yet. They are usually pretty speedy though.
My DS thought the VR was OK, maths was easy & English 'not as bad as I expected'. He was asked what he would spend all the money from the Olympics on - answer 'lego', and what he did for Christmas - 'went to my Grandma's'. So not the longest answers!
Fingers crossed for a letter soon - no post at all here today.
I spoke with the school prior to the exam and they said 380 were sitting the exam which is about their normal number. I do not know if that included 11+ and 13+.
Hi, my DS1 got in a couple of years ago, the interview letters for that year came out on the Friday after the exam and the no letters the following Thursday, don't know if it helps as I remember that sick feeling, but i guess forewarned is forearmed, best of luck to all
Guildford taxi, that's interesting. So rejections are still a week or so away? Hmmm.
Thanks Guildford taxi - do you know if that's usual or was that quite late do you know? I don't know if my nerves can cope for that long!
Same here. Thought we had survived the first day of a no letter arriving . Over another week is a nightmare....
Sorry, I don't know for sure but from what I have always heard in the past, 2 weeks was the guideline, if you hadn't heard by then it was looking good.
Read the blurb and it does say within the two weeks after the exam, so could well be into next week (especially when you add the snow and postal deliveries just not happening!) Other than that (odd question but I'm new to all this!) do RGS let the current schools head know if its a 'no'?
Got a call back for second interview this morning
Jiddle good luck is that for interview scholarship or may be place?
Our postman has been but no NO letter yet!
Scholarship - in our dreams maybe! No this is for a "B-list" place. I have mixed feelings about it but will stay positive and see what happens.
For the benefit of others waiting for letters, our letter was dated 17 Jan so were it not for the lack of post yesterday, I expect we would have had it then.
Post has been - no letter.
jiddle that is good news about interview - the HM did say on the day not to see interview as being 'b-list' or a negative thing, using an example of a 'second interview' boy who recently got into Cambridge. Keep positive & best of luck!
Thanks IvySquirrel. I know it is good (better than a rejection!) but now will be on tenterhooks till 18 Feb! I just want to know what we'll be doing come Sept!
I agree with IvySquirrel. Good luck
Nothing here again. Now got to wait until Monday and every day next week!
And ds isn't top of class either, 5A/6 in English & Science but had slipped to a 4A in maths when they did a test on percentages at the end of last term.
The waiting is hell. My DS runs to the postman each day and is very relieved when there are only bills!
He says that he also found a coded vr question that made no sense!
Jiddle, that's wonderful news. Head did say it wasn't B list, more a case of getting to know the boy a little better.
Good luck. We've still heard nothing. No post today due to weather.
Postman has been but no post for us today
Got to be good news then Fayerfield!
Ivy Squirrel and others with DS(s) at RGS
I know this is a little off topic but do you find your DS has many extra curriculars? RGS has impressive academics and Oxbridge entry %s but I am also interested in US univs for DS as HE, and I don't see any info on the website - also the Ivy league's set a strong emphasis on SATS and extra curriculars ...Do RGS help support US univs applications? (Having done a recent tour of another senior school they vaunted this a lot ..special help with Sat prep and visiting counselors to help with Ivy League prep. , lots of extra currciculars on offer etc.)
Do most at RGS just come home after lessons ot do they stay late for clubs etc.? Again, am curious if strong impressive academics means inevitably it is more of an exam factory.
Hi, I am also waiting anxiously for news. Does anyone know of any "no's" having been received yet?
Amber, do you mind my asking which school it was that was up on US uni applications?
(And thank you for asking all those RGS questions. I've wondered the same myself...)
From what I've heard interview letters are already out. Rejections I guess will follow within a week or so (not yet), and then acceptances on 24th Feburary or whatever.
According to the website they had 1 (count 'em) to the US in 2012, 2 in 2011, and none in the preceding 5 years.
Eton is twice the size of the RGS, but they are now sending 30 per year abroad, although obviously they have far more international students to start with, but it's definitely on the up there.
Well a few of the more well known senior schools I imagine help with Ivy League/US univs but I had in mind Wellington which promotes this a great deal but when i look at A level comparisons (and I know a lot of W is about IB) ..RGS does better on the % getting A* but then W probably does better on the extra curriculars and on the help with US univs...
Thanks for the links to RGS website ...yes i saw those but was surprised at the very low number to US and then even no details about which US univs. I woould have thought some aiming for Oxbridge would also be aiming for Ivy League
On the extra curruculars again I wondered, if they do really focus on those or teh acadmeics is really the thing and everything is geared to exam results
Wellington is very expensive and from what I can see full of hot air.
For instance they claim that 97% of IB and 80% of A Level students went to their 1st choice university. www.wellingtoncollege.org.uk/2279/school-life/leavers-destinations
They also claim 'strong links with a number of Oxbridge Colleges'.
This is bullshit.
Their 'Oxbridge and Ivy League' page says:
" A number of students have gone on to American Universities over the last five years and 15 members of the current U6th have chosen this particular route. "
Again this is bullshit.
An 'American University' could be anything from West Topeka Bible College to Harvard and Yale.
Reading between the lines "Wellingtons Oxbridge entrance performance is rising along with the Colleges wider academic improvement there has never been a better time to aim for Oxbridge from Wellington College."
means 'We don't send as many students to Oxbridge as many local competitors, so we won't publish that data until such time (if ever) as we do'.
My son has left RGS and is now at uni.
Yes, the school has a strong range of after school activities. Music is strong along with sport plus there are many societies. The boys join cadets or DofE for school on monday. Drama and art is strong too.
Ds never came home at 4.00 to my knowledge and had clubs at lunchtimes too.
The boys receive support re ivy league applications if they are interested. Not many in ds1s year were.
yes, JoanByers I am trying to separate the PR from the reality...but W are making a big push of the US links seems and promoting special advisers and SATS help ...while there is nothing at all on RGS site it seems aprt from that one table which shows only one going there ...I am looking at both as day possibly ...on the one hand RGS does all the maths and chemistry Olympiads It also notably does IGSE Maths a year early for a select bunch (which would suit DS), On the other hand he likes English and other artsy type things just concerned that RGS may be too single track on the academic front. W seems to be pushing the Arts much more and the whole holistic view of education ...I like the sound of the vaunted ethos ...but just wonder if the reality reflects that ...the results are not up there yet and look decidely second tier, but again they are more poplulat now so may work its way through based on increased selctivity , stiff competition for both so I am not making any assumptions. Must admit, the W campus is impressive but seemed a bit soulless somehow...a bit too much shine...and may be a bit too "Bedales" for DS who is not that self promoting type, but I can't put my finger on it and I may be wrong. Also, yes, for a value for money front seems RGS is better based on exam results alone. I guess W will say, we will educate the whole person and that will make them much better equipped for the future. RGS seems more decidedly middle class and W more for rich kids, but that's that's just an impression.
That feedback is reassuring ..
I know lots of great Arts teachers at RGS, and their History department seem inspiring (from the view point of Primary school pupils who go there to study the Tudors).
Wellington does "host" a lot of Uni overseas events, but these don't seem to be exclusively for its own pupils (I have received an invite). If you are going to look at Ivy League then I would look at the Fulbright commission for support, and definitely attend their college fairs.
Btw the two Wellington boys I knew went to Hull and Durham.
Ds1 did English art maths and Latin.
He loved every minute in the art dept. he was in the rugby and cricket teams too. The jock/geek culture was better there than most school. He happily flitted between them all
Pagwatch, those are all my DS favourite subjects too along with DT. I did hear RGS was strong on Art and I can see him loving that ..He is neither a jock or a geek ...but is quirky for sure..just cautious about forcing him down a geek path by ignoring the rest and focussing single track on the maths as too early to say where his interest will lie a few years down the line ...I used to be excellent at maths at primary then lost interest a bit at secondary and ended up doing an Arts degree but if he did decide to pursue the maths or science to uni...looks like RGS has an excellent maths and science dept.
Oh it's clear that Wellington is geared up to deal with US universities and the RGS is not. That much at least is not bullshit.
The RGS is very much a school for maths/science geeks, out of 497 A Levels sat last year:
So over half of all A Levels were Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and I believe only 1 boy didn't take Maths A Level out of the whole year.
There are definitely less-science-obsessed day boys schools out there, if that's what you want, compare Hampton for size:
Yep that's pretty skewed to say the least. I guess you can go to RGS (difficult to know if DS will end up a geek and being great at maths now is a whole different ball game at A level or uni), and if you want to have a shot at getting an offer for Maths at Cambridge, then RGS is as good a place as any, and if you don't want to be a geek at all, you can always go elsewhere for sixth form.
Hampton not really feasible commute wise, so not looking at it and don't think I'd move for it ...
If you want to do Maths at Cambridge, RGS is clearly a great deal better than most.
Real achievement in maths requires that you leave the GCSE & A Level syllabuses far behind.
My DS has just received his letter today asking to return for a maths interview. Does anybody know what he will have to do?
Does anybody know if the 'no' letters have been sent out yet.
Also, odd question, do they send the letters to the boys address?! Ex husband has different address to myself and ds, they will notice this and not send anything to him won't they????
It is true that RGS is very strong at maths, (and in fact I think everyone sits Maths IGCSE a year early), but there is definitely strength in other areas as well.
When my DS1 started I would have said that he would be a maths/science geek, but actually he has enjoyed Art, DT, Spanish & Drama most. He recently announced that he would not be a 'sixth form double maths boy'!
Having said that I actually think that Maths is a useful A level for most people (my niece has Maths A level and has gone on to study Dance at Uni), and I believe the government are planning to make some sort of maths compulsory to 18. What pagwatch's DS did for A level seems fairly typical AFAIK.
There is plenty of extra-curricular stuff at lunch and after school - my DS is not particularly sporty but has had a go at shooting and cricket. He also got involved with drama, and a couple of other clubs. I'm expecting lots more extra-curricular stuff from year 9 onwards, with Monday 8/D of E - he loves outdoor pursuits type stuff as he has done lots with scouts.
As he is only year 8 not sure about universities etc..I know a couple have gone to US universities recently but the focus is definitely on Oxbridge/RG unis. Having said that I'm sure that anyone wanting to go to US would be well advised & supported.
No post as yet for DS2.....waiting.......
This is very interesting. When we looked around RGS it was the art and music depts that blew us away. Especially the art. Better taught there than any other school I've visited. Someone there really teaches them how to put paint on canvas and compose a picture. Lots of the other schools have very lively art but far weaker technique.
That made me think RGS would be a strong school for arts' candidates.
But perhaps Hampton would be better. Not sure DS would thrive in an environment which pushes boys towards the sciences.
Pecky4eyes the maths interview is as follows:
They have assessed from your DS' exam script which areas he found difficult. They will give him some more questions of the same type (e.g. if he struggled with fractions then there will be more, different, fractions questions) and will talk through them with him. If he can't do them then they will teach him how and then give him a further set to do alone, from which they will assess how easily he is able to learn.
Hope that helps. My DS has a maths interview too. Good luck!
Thanks for all the insight ...and don't mean to hijack the thread which is about results.
And best of luck all of you ...and remember an interview is an opportunity, so well done to your DSs. You are all pretty brave posting on here.
Hope good news is on it's way soon Ivy Squirrel for DS2.
Still nothing in the post! Good luck to those with interviews
Nothing for us either as of yesterday's post. Must be straight in or straight out.... Role on the end of the week! Amber2 - I do feel brave (that must be the sick feeling in my stomach!) posting on here - hope it's good news for all us brave mums!
Nothing here either. Don't know what to think... No instinct as to which way it went.
RGS mums, I'd be so grateful to hear a bit more about the humanities. Are they strong? Is it a myth that boys at RGS are coaxed towards the sciences? If they are far stronger in Humanities, is that seen as a softer option? Or less desirable?
how about music? If they are keen but not that advanced, what happens? Will they be cast aside in favour of the boy wonders who achieve Grade 8 in Yr 6, or can they contribute?
Thanks Jiddle for the advice! Back to the maths papers till Friday.........
A friend has received a NO letter today, so they are out!!
Good luck to all! x
Labro, so sorry to hear that. Have you told DS yet or will you wait until all the results are in, so you can soften the bad news with the good?
Where else did you apply? Did you read that lovely post by a Reeds teacher saying they were delighted to be 2nd choice school after the very academic ones such as RGS, because they got some wonderful boys who'd just missed out?
There are no other results to wait for ;-(
It was for 13+ entry. He's registered to do some kind of test at Reeds in September, just feels upsetting at the moment. He doesn't know yet as the letter arrived during the day.
Good news here - DS2 has been invited to sit for scholarship papers next week!
So proud and pleased for him, I took the letter when I went to collect him from school & he was ecstatic.
So sorry to hear it was a no for you labro, I really hope you find the right place for your DS.
Best of luck to those still waiting.
Racingheart My Ds was at RGS and is now doing straight Spanish at uni, just got some of his 2nd year results and he's heading for a first. I know that this isn't definitive but I think I'm allowed a little bit of pride (and a private little weep) plus it does mean that RGS is not just about sciences although he did do Maths and Physics at A level as well as Spanish.
So sorry to hear that your son didn't get in labro.
There are quite a lot of options still open for 13+
Postman came here today (finally!) but nothing but a couple of bills and a pencil sharpener I'd ordered. I'm sure DS was borderline at best, so I would expect him to be back for an interview re his English if they were going to admit him.
Labro, the school I work at, south of Guildford, still has one or two places available for current yr 6s to join at 11+ or 13+, the entrance test was on Friday, but if you contact our registrar I'm sure she can sort something out if you are interested!
What is the name of the school trinity?
Will PM it to you, otherwise the post will be pulled!
OH Labro sorry to hear your news hope he does get in somewhere that you are both happy with...
Congratulations Ivysqyuirrel hope your DS does well
Getting nervous here as exam did not go well.....
Sorry it wasn't the news you were hoping for Labro. But as it's 13+ you were going for, hopefully there will be other options for you and you have a bit of time to consider them.
Am hoping that DS will do well in his second interview but who knows? Roll on 18 Feb I say. The suspense is way too much for me.
The biggest problem with so many now opting to pre test at 11 is that they are then effectively closing their lists 2 years early. Good luck to everybody with interviews and scholarship exams. DS is not looking forward to tomorrow as two other boys from his school took the exam and are the type to really gloat if they have got different news.
First interviews were scheduled for today. It seems a bit primitive to b e communicating by post in this day and age. I hope everybody got their letters in time.
Quite a few of the schools that pre-test at 11 for 13 also have an option to pre-test at 12, they just don't make a big fuss about it as they would prefer to know at 11!
Labro, We are in the same unsuccessful situation as you - would it be OK for me to private message you - we are hoping to move into the Surrey area and so don't have local knowledge of schools! Obviously over-reached ourselves with RGS!
Worthtrying sorry to hear your bad news. Hope you get somewhere.
We are still holding on. Postman has just been and no NO letters...
Fayerfield - that is good news!
I went through this twice and the postman seemed to get later and later every day!
Worthtrying, sorry to hear that.
No news here from postman.
Had Hampton interview today and news of a Reeds academic scholarship interview, so feeling more chipper.
Worthtrying that is fab re reeds
harrison1999purple you're right about the postie getting later!
Joining in the waiting game. No postie here yet either - although we haven't had any post today! Hoping Ds1 will get a place to join his brother who's in first form. I'm trying hard to manage DS2 expectations....really not sure which way it's going to go.
worthtrying sorry to hear it's bad news - hope you find the right place for your son.
racingheart great news about Reeds - I know a lovely lad who went there - now at Uni but used to babysit for us - certainly a good advert for the school!
More good luck going out to those still waiting.
Can anyone tell me: is 18 Feb the posting date for offers (or rejections after second interviews) or is it the date they expect us to receive the letters?
Postman has just been and we have got through another day no no letter from RGS
Last time I spoke to anyone waiting (It was three years ago) the acceptance letters came at the beginning of half term which was the same as when my DS did the exam so you might have to wait awhile for the yes letters, the no's come much more quickly.
I did worry that a no had got lost in the post, not sure why they can't do it by email.
The may be letters seem to be out or should be as interviews this week. The No letters 13+ seem to be out but has anyone heard if the no letters for 11+ are out?
The 13+ rejections were dated 21st if that helps. Think one other at DS school sat the exam for 11+, but don't know if hes heard anything yet.
My DS's friend got a no letter for 11+ entry yesterday. Don't think he was too fussed as he already has another offer. So looks like they are out - hope that is good news for some of you!
Fingers crossed for all those still waiting - nothing from RGS here yet either. Does anyone know whether they send out the 'no's' in stages or all at one time. Haven't heard of anyone having an interview for 13+ - do they invite 'the not sures' in this group back too?
The 2 others at ds school plus another friend are all no for 13+, the 11+ rejections started to arrive yesterday.
Thanks for info on 11+ rejections. Postman has just been and no, NO letter today! Don't think I can stand this much longer...
I think by this point Fayerfield if you haven't had a letter then you can rest assured you'll have a positive one in a couple of weeks. Well done to your DS!
No 'NO' letter here. For 13+ entrance does anyone know when the 'try again at 12+' letters go out. It's not entirely clear from the admissions booklet whether these go out with the 'no' letters or the offers on the 18th. I don't want to get DS2's hopes up just yet - just in case it's a try again rather than an offer!
Thanks for the support JIDDLE but still nervous as some only got NO letters yesterday. If my DS wasn't so sure that he totally mucked it up, I would feel a bit more optomistic! Also, 2 other boys at his school sat the exam, one in top groups with my DS said it was okay the other in middle groups found it very hard and both have not heard anything either.
Has your DS been to his interview? If so hope it went well, if not yet - good luck.
Have now run out of fingernails and wine, onto the hard stuff....
Mine's had his interview now, so we're just waiting... Hard to tell how it went from what he said, but the things he was asked to comment on sounded very hard to me. It certainly is a rigorous selection process.
Surreygoldfish keep those flippers crossed
Jiddle- Think your DS should get in just for surviving such an ordeal!
Jiddle- Think your DS should get in just for surviving such an ordeal!
So do I, Fayerfield.
They did say lots of the interviewed boys ended up being their best pupils. It's good that they do this, rather than relying on exams alone. Far better able to judge a boy's potential from how he tackles a difficult question - whether he gets it right or not, than just go on exam marks.
Still nothing from our postie either...
Keeping everything crossed for you all.
I really wish they did all the interviews like this, I know ds found the interview on the day very difficult and as different people seemed to have very different interview styles it would standardise it. None of the youngsters I know have been invited to try again at 12+ either.
Postman has just been and no NO letter. He wanted to know why I was so excited about getting a phone bill!
No news here either. Trying not to get too hopeful.
We also are still waiting for 11+, jumping when the postman arrives, this is so hideous! 4 boys from our school have heard nothing too as yet, 1 sadly rejected. So sorry for those who have already had bad news.
Am figuring if we can make it to Wednesday next week without a letter we can start to get optimistic.....last second interview day is Friday 1st feb. I agree first interviews seemed very hit and miss, depending on who you got. My ds was hardly asked about his sport (hockey - main thing for him to talk about about from his xbox!) whereas other child got asked loads because he had a more unusual sport.
Labro, have you considered Reigate Grammar School (ironically RGS as well!) as they only test the year of entry. It is a good school...
Should your son mature over the next year, I wouldn't think twice at trying your chances with Guildford nearer the 12+ time, if your current Headteacher will support application with evidence.... Our current prep school head is a great believer that too many of these schools test too early, and some boys are late developers, but go on to great things....never say never!
Does anyone know what happens if you get an offer from another school which has to be accepted before the date RGS notifies? I don't want to not accept this other offer but then find RGS doesn't offer!
I have a friend who had 2 offers a couple of years ago and they could not decide before one of the deadlines. I think you can delay the earlier deadline by saying you are not sure, need to come back and look at it again etc. Some schools have coffee mornings specifically for this purpose. As long as you keep them informed they will extend the deadline for you while you make the decision. Nice position to be in? How long do you have between the two deadlines?
Aboleyn the deadline for acceptance of one is 15 Feb, which is the date on which the RGS offers are posted. I am divorced as well which means I also have to have a bit of time to discuss with exH. I suppose I will ring the other school on Mon and ask if I could have an extension.
So you do have an acceptance lined up? That's great news, Jiddle. Takes some of the pressure off.
Thanks Shiv, will have a look at Reigate as could be a useful back up if Reeds doesn't work out. The letter from Guildford (not sure if its their 'standard refusal') says 'I regret to say I don't feel that the RGS will be the most appropriate school for x and we will not therefore be continuing the admissions process for him' - I'm assuming that meant not to bother with applying at 12+?
Tricky. I am assuming we will not get letters till about 18 Feb from RGS. I think really lay it on thick with the other school about how you are split between the two schools - maybe blame ex-husband for a split decision - so it's important to give them both equal consideration. Did RGS say anything about decisions after a second interview - wouldn't they send you a rejection earlier than make you hang on till half term with everyone else - that wouldn't be fair, would it. Ie so if your son has an RGS place you should be able to assume this fairly soon. Call RGS to clarify this? Half term might be a factor with the other school - they want the decision before they break up. Am sure that if you explain, they should give you till after half term. Best of luck with it all.x
Any news/good no news anyone?
Post came. Nothing here.
Hi racingheart have you looked on elevenplusexams forum web site couple of pages, discussions re this topic. They think No letters are all out. I'm still not convinced but a bit more hopeful.
Postman has not been yet!!!!
Postman has been nothing here
Mangeshi, yes. No news is good news. They send out scholarship interview letters first, but few of us were expecting those. Next they send out second interview letters to boys who were borderline in the exams. Then they send out rejection letters. Finally they send out offers to boys who comfortably passed the exams.
So the longer you hear nothing, the more likely your DS is to have secured a place. Not guaranteed, but we are getting tentatively hopeful.
Thanks racingheart, that made me hopeful too.
Fingers crossed for you all. For anyone waiting for a 13+ offer one post on the 11+ forum says the 'try again at 12+' letters go out mid February rather than with the 'no' letters. Beginning to wish we'd gone for 11+ entry ! The waiting is torture....
Out of curiosity why did you decide to go for deferred entry? I will be going for deferred entry for DS next year because I think the CE will be good practice for GCSE and because I don't want DS to do the train alone at 11, and because he will probably like being in the senior years at prep school where most leave at 13. But just wondered if you went through similar thought processes. Only downside is, perhaps RGS won scholarship at 11 may be easier to get than at 13+ because it tests in fewer subjects that RGS scholarship papers at 13+
The 11 or 13 debate seems a tricky one generally. We could have gone either way but Ds2 very happy at prep school and we thought the extra 2 years there would be good for him. The style of CE will probably also suit him. Lots of them get the train from 11 (ds1 already there) and it really helps their growing sense of independence, so I wouldn't worry about that aspect. I don't like the lack of certainty with 13 entrance though - even if it's an offer it's conditional on CE, now at 70%. Aargh......
I am feeling fit to burst with the desire to know whether it's a "yes" or "no" for DS. Another whole 10 days!
70% blimey ...I thought it was 65%...seems like they really are trying to incentivise you to come at 11...I mean a reasoning test, an English test and a maths test at 11 compared to CE in all subjects at 70%.... I also am leaning to deferral for the same reasons as you ,,,but it does make me think about it
or is the 70% an average across CE?
Does anyone know what RGS scholarship papers like at 13+....much harder than common entrance scholarship papers ?
Amber 2 - yes it's an average of 70% (was 65% but they seem to have upped it this year to 75%!)...still seems quite a steep additional hurdle.
Sorry should have read 70% not 75%
agree...I said before it was an additional hurdle but someone else disagreed...but at least it's an average .....do you have to pay a hefty deposit when they offer you a conditional place ? I mean I may end up paying two hefty deposits then if I want to hold an insurance offer ....
what is the intake at RGS at 11+ entry?
Postman has been and I am happy No NO letter or bills this time Just my graze box to nibble on as fingernails have all gone!
Same here, Fayerfield. Fingers crossed.
It feels like such a long wait until mid Feb when the schools all tell us how the DC fared.
Mangeshi they take 100 boys at 11+
The RGS scholarship papers are much harder than the CASE (common academic scholarship) ones. Think at least GCSE standard, if not higher in terms of intellect required (even if the Maths topics for example are only a bit harder than level 3 CE). There is always at least one question that I struggle with when marking them as a Head of Maths in a prep school, as does the head of science.
Thanks for posting those JoanByers, really useful. Not sure why RGS don't post past papers on the website like Eton does, then at least you get an idea of the level you realistically need to aim for. Yes, would agree with Trinity they are GCSE level.
Good Luck to all the children who are taking their scholarship exam today.
Thanks JoanByers for the links above.
Confused. Is this 13+ scholarship? Or are 11+ candidates supposed to be up to GCSE standard?
13+ scholarship candidates expected to be at a far advanced level. I have no experience of 11+ scholarship to RGS.
No post here again, so starting to feel hopeful for 11+ place.
Am very glad we decided not to do 13+, the scholarship stuff looks scarily advanced. Feel grateful you are not in this year's scholars - who have been told with very little notice (2 weeks?) that they have to do a French oral exam, as well as a written paper...
I don't think scholarship is such a big deal. They get 5-10% off fees, with one boy getting 20%.
There will need to be a lot of work put in to prepare for it for sure, but agree not so big a deal re the fees amount, for me it was more a question out of interest, as they seem to have some sort of scholarship programme in the school ..i don't know what that entails so will have a bunch of questions when I visit
I gave in and rang the school Unless u were a may be/scholarship, all the NO letters were sent and we should have definately got them before now.
Well done everyone...
Very very happy for you Fayerfield and everyone who's DS got in .
Have been lurking on this thread regularly and willing all the postmen to arrive empty handed each day but have been too embarassed to post until now as I would love RGS for my DS but he is still only in Yr3! Too early to say but he is bright and loves his maths and reading etc so far, so I hope it will be the right fit when the time comes and I always enjoy reading RGS threads in the meantime
Can I ask - what sort of National Curriculum level are we talking here for boys who get in? I know the test literature says level 5 but are we talking more like level 6 in most cases to actually get in due to the academic standard?
My son is level 6 maths and level 5a/b English depending on his mood and the content of the paper ie hates subjects like Dickens, The Hobbit, Secret garden etc.. Spelling age 16. Hope that gives you a rough idea. Also we are from a state school so no prep just GL and Bond papers which he usually refused to do! Good luck for when your time comes
That's really useful info on several counts - Thanks! And particular well done to your DS then if he hates Dickens and that was the test wasn't it? (If I've remembered that right). We are in same state school boat and would have to provide support ourselves too so good to know it can work. Good luck for September - hope your DS loves it .
Fayerfield I can't believe you had the wits to do that! Thank you.
Does this mean that some maybes still aren't accounted for? Or does it mean, can it mean, we're in? Can't believe it if so.
Oh my goodness. You've almost made my day. I need the letter first. But still. Wowza.
(DS state school, solid 6s. Did one practise paper a week, alternating between maths English VR and NVR for a year, so one of each per month.)
I am lurking too for same reasons .....and threads like this are useful...Dickens is difficult ...the vocab and literary techniques such as irony are advanced reading material for a 10/11 year old. My DS is a good reader but not sure he would really "get" Dickens in a comprehension exercise.
I will also rely on some DIY with DS ...and reassuring that others have got through without paid tuition...IMO, maths is easier to prepare for, its just practice and more practice but the vocab/English aspects of the 11+ is more tenuous and I find that less easy to ascertain as to what level that will be required to be in the top 100 taking the test since it's competitive and not merely pass/fail.
Racingheart don't know about anyone who was called back in....but told that if not called back, that all the NO letters would definately have been recieved by now. As not a may be, I did not ask if their results had gone out but they have more interviews I think Friday so may not have made those decisions yet but I don't know. The LOVELY Mrs Sweet is very understanding I just had to call. so happy
First time on....but have been following this thread closely. My DS1 sat the 11+ entrance exam more or less on a whim! as a last ditch attempt for us to get out of London before the secondary schooling thing takes hold. Fully fully fully expected to receive the rejection letter but not yet arrived (must be lost in the post shhurely.) So, I see you love RGS but "how much?" is my question. Would you up sticks and move for it? How about the maths/super geek question - do you think there is pressure on the boys to do "boys" subjects? Maybe this is a good thing?
My DS left 2011 but with hindsight I would have moved for it. He was very happy there and loved it, he's not sporty, more into drama etc outside school but he did really well.
He's now doing Spanish at university and it does seem that their modern languages department is very good.
He did do Maths and Physics at A level too which I was pleased about but I wouldn't call him or any of his friends super geeks. They all still meet up during holidays which I think is really good even if it is to play poker and board games.
Thank you for phoning the school Fayerfield, I was thinking of doing that too! Hurray, it looks like our boys are in!
TheVipperofVipp - great name - and Amber2, my boy is at a private school so I don't know what level he is - but I know that he is light years ahead of state school year 6 maths (and I work in Year 6 so do know this!). His weakness is his creative writing - like most boys, not much creative thought going on, apart from if it is related to Minecraft... Having said that, he said he found the writing task in the exam straightforward.
I would recommend concentrating on comprehension practices and verbal reasoning papers - both are done regularly at my boy's school but not much in the state system - and concentrate on vocabulary building - there is a useful list of words for 11+ papers we found on the 11+ website. Also get a good varied reading list together - again 11+ website gives some good lists and get your boy reading as much as you can. Having said that, mine only seems to read the Guinness Book of Records these days, despite my best efforts! so he only ever came across Dickens in these exams.
Schools seem determined to use classic texts with very old-fashioned language in these exams, so it's worth getting comprehension practice books that cover a real variety of text types (in case you can't tempt your son to read Dickens in his spare time!).
I doubt there's pressure to do 'boys' subjects but may be a tendency towards them because they are boys!
RGS English dept is very strong, so's drama, music and art.
Lifeisontheup - what was the sport like? My only misgiving is the lack of open space at the school.
So pleased for all of you and your DSs Aboleyn, racingheart and motherofallwimpykids , and thanks too for taking time to give such great info' on the levels and prep you did - will have to download this thread and save it for a couple of years! Good luck for next year too Amber2.
I have another question for you...given a lot of the boys come in on the train and also from wider area rather than being dropped off at the gate - I am wondering how much parental involvement is there and and presumably not so easy to get together or do you make a special effort to get to know each other ?
Tbh, RGS was not even on my radar until I realized DS only recently could go on a direct train route there and if we do decide to go day school, it was one school I would not have to move for! I am still in a quandary about day vs boarding and about entry at post 11+ or CE...ho hum..but RGS is now up there for me on the wish list of day schools. Deadlines for registration for most schools come up this year given 11+ pretests, so may still try and keep a day vs boarding option. So far not heard anyone say anything negative about RGS (a rare thing on this board) all good, apart from the lack of green space on site. DS has acres of it at current prep...but I guess that's the compromise and is far outweighed by the benefits
To be honest one of the things I thing you have to get used to at secondary school is the independence of the boys especially if you work. I work shifts and I found that I didn't really get to know many of the parents although that may be different for boys who are into sports and you meet other parents on the touchline.
I think that this is common even at schools where children don't travel as far, they make there own way to their friends houses and that is as it should be, their social lives become steadily more independent of their parents. As someone said, parenting is the one job where you're aiming for redundancy.
Your level of involvement depends very much on how much you want and on how much your son wants you to be involved, obviously that doesn't relate to parents evenings etc where your son doesn't have a choice!
There are new parents evenings and events that you can go to if you want to become more involved but it is a whole new ball game compared to prep/primary schools and can be a bit of a shock to the system. It's possibly best to play it by ear especially as your son gets older and doesn't want you muscling in on his friendships, or at least that's how my son describes it, the little darling.
I sometimes hear names come up that I've never heard of before even now he's been left over a year.
Thanks for the advice...I tried reading some of Oliver Twist with my DS ...had forgotten from perspective of that age, how hard the vocab is...a lot of new words that DS did not undertsood ...had to point out how the irony works also as DS probably would have read it literally ...he is in top sets for most subjects including English at prep school but the comprehension and vocab defintely needs work,,,he reads fluently (too much of a speed reader actually) but not sure he gets everything he reads and he usually guesses at words rather than ask or look them up...so imo, it's not just reading, but vocab building, and gaining confidence to stretch own vocab by using those words in writing, understanding literary technique etc. I think appreciation of Dickens comes with maturity..
One of the problems I did consider may be the (lack of) social life, we live quite some distance from Guildford, so not sure he could just pop round to friends houses or vice versa,,,it's just the fast train that takes 30 minutes or so that makes it feasible.
I imagine the boys who live locally to Guildford get together more often than ones who travel from further out.
We lived a 30 minute train ride from Guildford and because of work commitments it was difficult to drive him to friends at weekends and evenings but it was only a problem really in the first year but he still had a good circle of friends, they become amazingly resourceful about getting to places.
Once he was 13/14 then it was trains or arranging lifts or sleeping over. He seemed to manage a perfectly good social life although possibly not as much clubbing as some but that may have been his choice and the fact that he wasn't 18 until the first week at uni.
That is reassuring ...yes the home taxi service will no doubt continue for a few years yet !
Amber2 - can I second Lifeisontheup?
My boys go on the train to school and actually prefer it to being picked up (even when they have to wait 30 mins for the next train!) At the weekends DS1 goes to Guildford to meet up with his friends who come from all over the place. I like the fact that they are quite independent by the age of 14/15 and that is the beauty of RGS being in a town rather than the 'Campus like' schools in the area. Agreed, the lack of green space, initially, is a little off-putting but visit Bradstone Brook and you have all the greenery you need! It is a fantastic facility which has a marvellous Club House to boot.
Wrt involvement of parents - it really is up to your class. I'm involved with both my classes parents. We meet up for Christmas dinners, at the Social events run by the school and some of the Mums do lunch. It is very 'Class' oriented - particularly in Year 1 & 2 as the boys do lessons only with their class group, but I've met other parents at Sports Events, but you have to want to be involved, some parents are quite happy not to be, I guess it's what you make it!
p.s. I believe all the rest of the letters go out on the 14th..
Thanks for the insight Harrison. Not seen Bradstone Brook yet.
Can I ask about rowing? Does the school do it?
Rowing - no, which I think is a shame as Guildford rowing club is just down the road! They do canoeing, and sailing....
Never too late to suggest they start rowing then. I just presumed there was nowhere nearby when I didn't see it on their details, but if there's a local club... DS would love to row.
Thanks Harrison, that is good to hear ...I am not one who hangs around the school gate anyway - occasional coffee meet up or lunch or Xmas dinner is fine...reassured by all this, now he just has to get in there!
Racingheart. my DS would love to row too...I think he has to be 11 to join the local rowing club and there is a wait list (Olympics effect) ...p'raps if he makes it to RGS, we can lobby for it !
Sailing is good though as DS already does RYA courses (dinghy only) ...all that will motivate him ...
Just re-reading your threads. If it's any consolation, my DS2 had Dickens in the comprehension at 11+. He had NEVER read any before apart from a trial comprehension I gave him at home (taken off another schools' past paper - scout around for these; Manchester Grammar School and others of that ilk publish them on their websites and are a change from the Bond genre). He came out of the exam saying it was hard as he hadn't really 'got' the Dickens, but he got called back for the scholarship paper....I think they like to see that you can tackle a question, even if you don't fully understand it.
thanks ...that is also encouraging ...I remember Hard Times from schooldays...but i was in my late teens then ...if you can get Dickens you can probably get any English prose..it's the sort of prose though I imagine that's very difficult for a non native English language learner...have a few papers from school sites but will look at the one you suggested also
Harrison...just looked at the MGS site - that's great as they give the answers to their maths papers ...wish all the others did the same!
Well done to all who are in!
For those interested in levels...my DS2 was called back for scholarship and sat it yesterday morning. In the evening we went to his parents' evening and were told he is working at level 6 for maths, 5A for reading & 5B for writing. He too had never read any Dickens until the entrance exam. Prep was Bond VR, Maths & English, 3/4 times a week.
As for social aspects...my DS1 has become increasingly independent, goes to friend's houses by train etc. I don't do too much taxi-ing.... .For the parents depends how much you want to get involved. Though there are definitely more social opportunities than my friends with kids at state secondaries have had.
yes well done to those who made it ..well done Ivy to your DS...curious if you did just Bond or other resources too...I have no idea what levels DS is at .. (i.e. 5 or 6) as prep school does not state these but he is pretty advanced at maths (finished 11-12 bond maths and is now a bit bored of Bond I suspect...tried 12+ bond, but a few areas in there not covered yet)...wondered when you started your 11+ prep - will start some some DIY prep proper for over half term (so far it's been a bit random and haphazard) - with a couple of papers a week during term time and ramp up to 3/4 a week nearer the time of actual exam.
"pretty advanced in maths" for my DS is about a year ahead of syllabus and does not equate of course to those truly advanced prodigies that sit GSCE at 5 ...!
I would say my son would be:
Maths NC Level 7+
English Level 4 (his creative writing is only passable, while his comprehension is weaker, but his spelling, punctuation, etc. is pretty much 100%)
VR around the 135 range (definitely not up to the 140 level)
Also his EP report provided a LOT of info, and showed that his maths ability is in fact exceptional rather than merely very good.
In terms of prep, for me the EP report was well worth the money, since he obviously has an uneven spread of abilities, which was fully explored in the report. Apart from that, VR practice: get this book www.galorepark.co.uk/product/parents/704/how-to-do-verbal-reasoning-a-step-by-step-guide.html and go through each type of questions in turn, talking about strategies for solving (e.g., eliminating answers that could not be correct, to make a guess more likely to succeed), and then practice VR papers (Bond or similar) until he is getting 90%+.
The VR stuff is very easy to coach and make big improvements, so definitely worth doing.
There is always a 1/2 hour comprehension and 1/2 hour creative writing session, and I did lots of practice with past papers from other independent schools (Manchester Grammar has lots on their website, and should be of a similar level). I didn't seem to make much impact on the comprehension, it was still awful, but perhaps we did. The creative writing seemed to be easier to coach, because there are more rules - beginning, middle and end, make sure you practise writing within a half-an-hour time frame (no point in trying to write a massive story that would take 3 hours to complete), plan a few points before starting.
When discussing with the school SENCO she/we did wonder whether the schools would be interested in him on the basis of his exceptional abilities, or reject him on the basis of his worst areas (the lowest score in the EP report was 10 (verbal comprehension), which is exactly the 50th percentile, so he's not that bad - level 4 English is average, nationally, but obviously not usual for the intake of the most selective schools) risking the precious 90% A*/A at GCSE. The fear was that they would reject him, but it does appear not, thankfully.
JoanBuyers - your post gives me some hope. We're waiting on a 13+ decision so could be in the try again camp. DS has similar profile to your son, although not quite so extreme - no idea re NC levels!
JoanByers, that VR book looks excellent. We also used Susan Daughtry http://www.susandaughtreyeducation.com/_shop/books/ , although we ran out of time and never got to Book 4! I think it's useful to stray from the Bond books as they get a little repetitive after a while, which is why I exposed both my boys to other schools past papers; hoping they wouldnt get too used to a 'formula'.
surreygoldfish: I am not convinced that there is a 'try again camp' at this point.
JoanByers - not sure ? Someone had suggested that if you had applied for 13+ and they remain uncertain about the DS then you are invited to resist at12+.... And these letters would come out with the others mid Feb.
Amber2 we primarily used Bond and didn't do that much on Maths, concentrated on English, comprehension and VR. I'd second that the VR scores can be improved. The English and comprehension is slower work IME if that's the weaker subject - but I figured it would help DS generally not just for the exam.
Guildford has a rowing club (and I'm surprised if RGS doesn't have as a local Comp does).
There is also a very good Kayak club in Guildford, which lots of youngsters from various schools belong to.
Thanks for the feedback...agree that English and Comprehension are slower and less easy to assess at this stage ...Ds good at creative writing but not very structured in terms of timed exercise but will focus on comprehension and timed practice and vocab for next few months and don't mind that, since as you say, they are generally good for any all round education..finds the Vr and maths more easy to predict in terms of levels. Have started on the Daughtrey and will use Bond also for VR a suggested . Daughtrey has a lot of books though - I am just using the ones on pure VR but are there others worth getting ...eg the ones that focus more on number codes?
There was a number code question in the VR exam Amber so you might want to get some practice on that type of qu but a whole book on them might be a bit overkill.
We used the Bond and DS went from around 70% to around 95% consistently in 6 months of 1 or 2 papers a week. He said he found the VR exam the easiest exam and that it was easier than the Bond practice papers (though we are of course waiting to hear if he got in or not!)
Amber2 we only used Bond papers & started a year in advance of the Entrance exam.
I think VR was most useful as DS has never done this at state school.
Although maths is DS's strongest subject, doing timed papers was good as he tends to dawdle. The also taught him to check back for silly mistakes e.g. putting a decimal point in the wrong place.
English was a struggle and we didn't do any timed writing at home - I couldn't face the fight! Having seen examples of his writing at school I was pretty confident he could pull it out of the bag on the day. We did use the Bond comprehension as the texts are quite challenging and use a wider vocabulary than ones he had done at school. However I felt the questions were sometimes quite ambiguous, so coming up to the exam I got him to do some SATS papers which were much clearer. This boosted his confidence that he could actually do comprehension!
Amber, I agree with Ivy Squirrel. A year of Bond papers is a good idea, but go for Galore Park over Bond for the English.
IPS are also good practise papers.
Bond comprehension papers aren't well-written and can be very ambiguous. You'd be better off downloading past papers from sites like Manchester Grammar and getting him to practise these.
Thanks all, really value the feedback. I have one more question did your DCs also do a lot of NVR practice and is that relevant for RGS 11 plus at all?
RGS only include vr in exam.
Really want to get my 11+ acceptance letter now, still feels very uncertain until then.... Does anyone know how RGS integrate the new joiners, do they get invited for an induction in the summer term ?
Not sure about rgs, but independent schools don't generally do that type of thing aboleyn.
Amber2 no NVR at all.
Aboleyn there is an induction afternoon for boys & parents around end of June.
Thanks Aboleyn and IvySquirrel, my DS seems to have no problem on NVR given the one or two tests he has tried ...may have to do some more though anyway in case it comes up in "reasoning" tests that other schools do at 11+.
Harrison - I am curious - on another thread - as you have 2 DS at RGS and well versed on this, you said it was a no brainer to join at 11 not 13 and some regret not doing so because they can have a bit more fun than staying at prep and slogging for common entrance. Other folk have told me though that doing CE is a good prep for GCSE and I also believe those last two years at prep would be good for DS get to be "senior" for 2 years and will be more mature and have more about him when he joins "big school". I also would have thought RGS has internal exams yearly and that has its own pressure given the selectivity of the boys there. I must admit having a further gating item at CE of 70% is a bit offputting, but my current inclination is to keep DS at his prep school for years 7 and 8 for the above reasons and because he also loves his non-selective prep...there is a cohort of about 50 joining RGS at 13+ - so surely they integrate just as well then, compared to those joining at 11+. But your comments have given me pause for thought on this.
I should add that I asked the question of two other senior schools which take at 11 and 13 and both told me that most boys who come at 11 are either at state primary or at a prep school that goes up to 11. and they generally recommended that if a prep school goes uo to 13, then boys stay for the final two years...not sure why though.
Maybe that is what is causing friction between RGS and Lanesborough, as most boys from Lanesborough who can go to RGS at 11, do.
Mummytime I did wonder if the two other schools I had spoken to gave that view because they did not want to upset the prep schools going up to 13 who regularly send a clutch of boys there
For me the senior school facilities are much better than prep school facilities. E.g., far more clubs, and I think better-qualified staff, although I am not sure if this is significant.
However, we chose to apply for 13+ because our son is quite immature and would be more comfortable staying in his cosy prep school rather than going to a senior school with 18-year-old adult students.
Our EP also confirmed this - she said she thought it would be better for him to stay where is until 13.
As Amber2 implies, there may be an issue with schools declining borderline 11+ candidates from to-13 prep schools on the basis that they don't want to piss off the prep school by poaching all their kids after Y6. I'm not sure if RGS do this though. I did notice one local prep school's list of suggested senior schools didn't even list RGS as an option, and this is possibly a cause.
In any case I think 13+ tends to be slightly less competitive in terms of numbers to places.
One other factor that we considered was that we felt that the 13+ entry should segue more smoothly from the prep school curriculum, whereas the 11+ entry would be geared towards state school entrants.
Overall if your child is ready, I would definitely start at 11. But ours I think is not.
Actually JB without naming my DS prep school, I woud say the onsite facilities and acres of green space on site are significantly better than many senior schools and range of sports/activities on site are huge (some free as chosen activities, some paid for after school). But I agree, it may be subjective but I think my own DS could so with 2 more years at his cosy prep school and he will benefit from the maturity that that brings him. I believe at RGS the numbers game is the same for 11+ and 13+ as only (50) half the places are at 13+ and remember for entry at 13+ you have an additional hurdle of 70% at CE which adds uncertainty, so I don't think that makes entry at 13+ easier
It was 65% when people applied this year! Bit cheeky changing it IMO. There is at least no hurdle (minimum 60% in any particular subject say).
There are papers in:
plus "The RGS would expect the majority of boys to offer Geography, History and Religious Studies and would welcome Classical Greek, German, Latin and Spanish."
I'm not really sure what this means, or why you would choose to do extra exams if you don't have to, but I hope that my son's strength in maths/science will carry the day, but I will speak to his school about this.
It must make it easier to slot the boys into the appropriate sets when they start in Y9, when you have grades in all these subjects.
As for facilities, it does depend on the school, however on the whole private senior schools have more opportunities (through being larger if nothing else) than private prep schools
Is anyone else finding the wait a little bit trying?
Yes - I am going crazy, looking at the front door every day!!
My DS had to leave in Y6, so it was a don deal for us. Having never been in the Prep School to 13 culture, it was difficult for me to understand why you would want your son to stay until 13. However, I know of a boy who, although he was Head Boy at a local Prep at 13, he would still have preferred to join RGS at 11 for the reasons I previously stated.
I guess it is horses for courses, and if your son is happy keep him where he is!
I do know that they grow up quickly when they go to Senior school because they have to! Travelling independently and organising themselves around music lessons within the school day, organising their own exeats for music or sporting events, makes them far more independent and self-confident.
I never meant to give the impression that they slacken off when they get into Year 1! It was a big challenge for my two to start Latin and French, and engulf themselves in the breadth of subjects in Year 1. However, I dont believe that when the boys join at 13+, there is anything between them in terms of capability. I think the GCSE results are testament to that....
I think the breadth of subjects at a prep school would be similar to RGS. Certainly prep school boys at 11 would have been studying French and Latin for several years already. That's why I said I think that the RGS curriculum would segue better from a prep school at 13 rather than 11, because by 13 the boys coming from state schools would have done 2 years of French, Latin, etc., rather than none at all.
I have heard from another parent that she would have preferred to have moved on at 11 rather than 13, but most boys do seem to stay on at prep til 13.
Just a quick note to say that we got the nod from our headmaster that our son has indeed got a place for 11+ entry at RGS. So delighted! Now have to start thinking about getting him ready for independent train travel at 11, which I was trying not to think about!
Congratulations to your DS Aboleyn. He will have a fabulous time there and the train journey will be fine, just practice in the summer holidays.
thank you Lifeisontheup, can I just thank you and parents of chn at these schools that take the time to help the likes of me obsessing about the whole 11+ experience. Have found your comments v helpful.
Great news for your DS Aboleyn, congrats ...you must be mighty relieved!
You have a very unprofessional Head Aboleyn! When schools are given the RGS results it is under a strict message of silence until the parents are told.
Not long until the letters arrive
The YES letters are out! Got ours today
Yey....it's a yes (13+) here too.......so nice to finally have it in writing...congratulations all.
I am just loitering without intent on this thread but well done to those with a yes ..
Congrats to all those with places & sorry for hijacking the thread- I have a 18 month ds so senior schools are quite a way off but are moving to Guildford and like probably many parents in the area will be trying for rgs when the time comes and when i saw this thread thought this may be the best place to get some info. Wanted to know if like many private schools there are 'feeder prep schools' into rgs or whether a substantial proportion of pupils have come from state primaries as well? Our primary if we go to the state sector is likely to be st Joseph's which I gather sends a lot of pupils to st Peters but do some go on to rgs?
loitering too as am local with a younger DS - Congratulations to all with the lovely YES letters...
ddas - my DDs have some friends who went from state into RGS, including one who is a King's Scholar...
Any advice with hindsight to someone with a DS who will take the pretest in Jan 14? (and am i completey mad to opt for DIY rather than any tutoring)?
Did you have any doubts at all about opting for 13+ entry vs 11+ entry?
We got a No from RGS today (for 13+). They have said he can try again for 12+ however.
Quite annoying that they sent the letter so late TBH, but my DS is very excited, because he passed for Hampton, which he prefers anyway.
Actually feel the RGS letter is a trifle rude, we sent them a 30-page EP report, and their reply reads:
"bearing in mind his performance in our entrance, examination, the impression he made at interview and the report we received from the head of his present school."
Obviously a standard letter, since no mention of the carefully written EP report, so you wonder why they didn't send out 3 weeks ago?
Fillyputty, sorry to hear your news. We got our 11+ offer letter today, and even that was very brief and to the point, ESP considering how long we have waited for it - we got a much nicer offer letter from another school in the same post!
Fayerfield, that's great news! Are you 13+?
Fingers crossed for everyone else!
Hi - yes letters here too!
Interesting you thought that about the letters too Aboleyn.
The Hampton letter was a lot more friendly than RGS. But DH said I must NOT use that as part of the decision making process. Probably right!
So do we start a thread on how to choose?
FillyPutty -maybe RGS didn't send out because he was on their shortlist. There must be a horrible cut off point for them where they have to let a few go who they'd like to offer to. But far more important: great news about Hampton. It's a great school, and if it was your DS's preferred school there'd be no contest anyway. (Maybe he told RGS that at interview!)
Hurray racing heart! No decision to make here, we are definitely going for RGS. My next thread will be trying to find boys on our train line that he can travel with, come September! Ps I think Hampton is great too. Did not go for that one as wrong location for us.
FP - sending out the 'no try again' letters with the yes ones seems really off - although I thought that's how it worked. We really liked Hampton, just not so practical so ruled it out. He must have done really well at Hampton as I've seen on these threads that vast numbers sat the exam - well done you and your DS.
Re tutoring and 11 or 13+ - have done both. I don't like the lack of certainty with 13 - slight panic over the thought of 2 years towards CE - but it feels the right thing for DS2. It's the more normal route from DC prep school. For the exam we only did Bond books - mainly English, comprehension and VR. No tutor - all DIY, - DS never really got all the comprehension texts but seemed to be happy with the exam set on the day! Glad it's over and can enjoy half term.
Previous Hampton vs. RGS thread
We felt the range of sports (climbing, choice of rugby or football) better at Hampton, and definitely better for SEN. Location of RGS better for us though. Others will have different priorities.
Hmm. RGS better location for us too.
Loved the feel of RGS and the art department made me weak, it was so strong.
But Hampton's facilities are far better. Such great drama, and they row. Have a hunch DS will be a rower, no chance of that at RGS. Hampton is a sportier school.
But RGS has a gentle scholarly feel to it that would suit DS down to the ground. He is not the sportiest of boys anyway.
Thanks for the link, Filly. Can't decide whether to revamp the old thread or start a new one...
What does your ds prefer, I think that is so important. Ours only really liked RGS of all the schools he saw. i had a really strong feeling that it would suit him the best, and husband liked it best too. So no decision to make here, thank goodness. One of the reasons we choose it initially was for sport actually - he loves hockey and lots of schools (inc hampton) do not do boys hockey.
At least you have a couple of weeks to make your decision! May be worth revisiting both schools again with ds. RGS letter did not mention that possibility but other school we got offered gave opportunity for a revisit - bet Hampton does too? One thing to note about RGS which I discovered is that they are just launching a big long term rebuilding programme. It's on the school website. Will be amazing when finished - but kids our age will be long gone by then.
Aboleyn, I saw that too. Will our DC be subjected to years and years of drills and cement dust for other boys to benefit from? That really puts me off tbh. I want to know more about how they will manage the building programme to make sure it doesn't disrupt the boys during lessons.
We all loved the feel of RGS. Felt more at home there than at Hampton, not sure why. But then when we look at Hampton, it has so much going for it. The facilities are miles better than at RGS.
Hampton does have an open day for boys with offers. RGS didn't mention one, but I might ask for a tour during the day.
Racingheart, there is an open day at the school on Wednesday Feb 27 to view the plans for the improvements and field questions, if you have concerns. I guess all schools have to improve their facilities ... I think Hampton are currently doing some work on their sports area. I note that they anticipate work starting perhaps late next year so your DS should benefit! I'm hoping mine do and one is into 4th year!!
There is a day in June when the new boys ( both 11 and 13) meet up and get a tour of the school and meet their Tutor. It's also a good opportunity to meet the other parents in your class. They will give you an information pack including names and contact details of the year so you can perhaps meet up with others in your class over the summer. I found that very useful.
You mention the facilities at Hampton being superior. That is true if you are only looking at the 'campus' but have you had a look at Bradstone Brook yet? I agree its not on site but there is plentiful parking for match days and an excellent Club House.
Overall I think the two school are relatively similar, but remember you have to go to matches/drama productions/music concerts /pa events and, most important, parents evening so it needs to be a good location for you too....
Agree Harrison1999purple - we ruled out Hampton for that very reason and primarily as DC wouldn't have been able to get there under their own steam from where we live. School coach is fine - but there are activities after school (eg some of the orchestras) and then pick up would be required. Maybe ok if you only have one DC and don't work but not very practical otherwise. We were tempted by Hampton as DS2 very sporty and Hampton also play both football and rugby. Felt much bigger than RGS though. We have found that there is plenty of sport on offer at RGS and is very open to all, so apart from the lack of football don't have too many concerns on that front. They all seem to get used to doing lot of stuff off site really quickly. Even though RGS is better location for us, already wishing we lived in Guildford - DC1 not bothered, I think the train is part of his social life!
Not overwhelmed at the thought of the building work so hoping it will be well managed.....
It's a shame that RGS doesn't do football, but presumably it features heavily at break time anyway? Harrison1999purple - thanks for info on new joiners day, that is useful. Is there a good second hand uniform shop too? Now decision of which school is sorted, the idea of how we are going to pay for it is weighing heavily! Do you find that RGS adds lots of items to the bill each term? That's worth considering in your choice racingheart? Surrey goldfish, good point too, we are on good train line into Guildford but can see I will be driving down there a lot - does your ds do much after school so you have to pick up? The idea of them getting the train home in the dark at 6 isn't great when they are still so little. Do they get any transport back to the school after training or matches at bradstone brook? So useful to find out this info, thanks v much for sharing.
A - take down bulldog (think rugby and bull dog) seems to feature as much as football at break! Ds1 stays at least 2 days after school - training mainly on the AWT, sometimes gets the train sometimes gets picked up depending on timing and how much carrying. They get bussed to BB but for sat matches you need to take and collect for home games. Away games generally meet and brought back to school - so can make their own way home if needed - a lot of teams run...so has been tricky to keep up with outside of activities that also run on a sat am. Sport seems to be there if you want it but not too serious if you don't - and easy to find something at the right level. It's not a school that defines itself by sporting prowess. I get the impression that more activities are added in third form....Did try the 2nd hand uniform for sports kit last year but didn't have much luck - hope it will fit for 2 years at least. Sports kit more expensive than uniform! Some additional costs can't be avoided eg some trips (first years do a settling in w/e away early in the first term) but a lot of trips optional.....not sure ow much this will change as they go up the school....
RacingH - does your son have a first choice? Given the similarities could he choose?
Aboleyn, yes there is a second hand uniform shop. I work there sometimes and it has had a radical overhaul in the past year or so, so it's good as we can get it
although its housed in what looks like a bunker! Agreed not much sports stuff but you can get lucky! Kitted out a new starter last year with blazer and full sports kit last year for £70! The problem is that new sports kit was introduced in late 2009 so it's just starting to trickle through now. On the day in June that the new boys meet their tutor we hold a second hand uniform sale pretty much all day. Get there early. Pm me if you want further info.
Further up the school there don't appear to be many more additional expenses than lower down ( but only can speak from year 4 perspective) , in fact, I'd say less expenses as the boys find what they like and sem to concentrate only on the trips they are really interested in.
Don't worry about the lateness of the train after training, they all seem to hang out together wherever they live and you won't believe how fast they grow in confidence in their own abilities!
Aboleyn .. And yes they do play football a lot at break even those boys who are not particularly sporty! And our year organise meet ups some weekends at Surrey Sports Park to let the whole year get together and play 5 a-side
Had a long discussion with DS today. He prefers RGS by 0.000001% he said. And it is easier for us to get to. So I think that's the one we'll go for. I do lament losing out on the on site facilities at Hampton, but it feels like the right school.
Aboleyn, looks like we'll have boys in the same year! Perhaps we should organise a couple of summer meet ups for them all.
Thanks surrey goldfish, sounds like reinforced knees needed in school trousers! Will definitely be early to second hand sale, thanks harrison1999purple. Please save all the smallest kit for us! Great to get all this info. Am glad racingheart is going for RGS too.
The number of errors in the past paper questions is worrying.
24C are you a troll?
RGS is emphatic that there are no past papers. If, like us, you know noone at the school, don't live nearby ( yet, but hoping to! ) and don't therefore have a clue at all about past exams as don't have siblings, haven't attended revision classes in converted shops o been to the 'right' prep schools then this sort of message only serves to demoralise us even more.
Alternatively do you mean the other RGS in Reigate?
yep - I am another one who thought post didn't make any sense ....why revive an old thread to go off topic when the previous thread on RGS Guildford was not about exam papers......and yes, what past papers since they don't publish any???
Anyone else lurking on here to try and establish if the letters are out yet for the 2014 exams??
Handholding thread over on secondary.
yes please appreciate if anyone can hint me whether 11+ RGS rejection letters came out.. I know that final results should be avaialble in mid February, but can't wait..
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