Entrance exam... last bit of panic!(99 Posts)
This has probably been asked many many times before but humour me! In the unlikely event that ds is ill or the weather stops us getting to the exam, do I ring the school and they allow test to be sat at another time or what????
You call the school where the exam is taking place and your own school so they know too. Some of the schools have alternative dates for candidates who have clashes. I've asked for alternative interview times too so my DC didn't have to miss a school trip.
Did the school say in the letter what to do.
At DDs' school, you phone the school on the morning of the exam if there is a problem.
Is it tomorrow by any chance?
Allow plenty of time for weather/traffic and if your DS is ill tomorrow morning, phone the school straight away.
My DD missed her assessment day for her current school due to chickenpox and they just rearranged to a different day. There's a few in her class who have a clash tomorrow but the school has organised then to sit the second exams next week.
The weather will be fine (very little chance of snow here tomorrow, more of ice). If there is an issue I would phone the school. Take deep breaths, it will be fine (I've never heard of boys in tears unlike at other schools entrance exams, and I do mean *boys in tears*).
You do realise there will also be a lot of State school boys there too? So really deep breaths, lavender oil on your (and his) pillow, plan a nice shop/coffee shop.
"If" he doesn't pass it will not be the end of the world. It would be far worse to scrape in by a fluke and go through 5/7 years feeling "thick" at the bottom of the bottom sets; as a friend who used to teach there once said.
Thanks everybody. Yes, I'm aware of the state school boys too, which is no problem as ds was in state until a year ago, he may even find some old friends there. Theres alternatives if he doesn't get through and it sounds like their testing is more about potential rather than hitting the right % on the right day. Good luck to everybody!
Well, hes gone in, now the long day wait. Did forget to ask which bit to collect him from but expect it will be obvious later!
The exam is over but don't know how he has done. He is not happy with comprehension. He could not figure out the trick. He has even left 6 marks question blank. I am not sure whether the comprehension was tricky or it is just my ds. I am very scared.
Rise - what do you mean - the trick? (If this is the exam I think it is, I'm wondering what you're referring to. DS said they had an extract from Dickens.
Be careful not to discuss specific questions...there will be a reserve day for DC who couldn't take the exam today.
Trick? Ds said it was a passage from Dickens. The maths was apparently 'alright' and the VR he keeps muttering about the code question where there was no code to work from! He also said the interview was odd, apparently everyone in pairs being asked random questions like what would they do if they could make up.a game for the olympics. Ds was confused as everybody had different interviewers at the same time, they were asked to fill in a sheet about themselves but the interviewer didn't ask anything about what they'd written, then ds started muttering about why do they have to ask stupid questions which they know there is no answer to!!!!
Trick? Ds said it was a passage from Dickens. The maths was apparently 'alright' and the VR he keeps muttering about the code question where there was no code to work from! He also said the interview was odd, apparently everyone in pairs being asked random questions like what would they do if they could make up.a game for the olympics. Ds was confused as everybody had different interviewers at the same time, they were asked to fill in a sheet about themselves but the interviewer didn't ask anything about what they'd written, then ds started muttering at me about why do they have to ask stupid questions which they know there is no answer to!!!! Have now left him glued to his computer lol
Not sure why that came out twice!
X post! Hope I haven't been too specific.
Which school are you talking about?
Labro, how come he had his interview the same day as the exam? Or have I misread your post?
Rgs, Guildford had dickens. Was today. Don't think there was any trick questions, though the last question was worth 9marks apparently?
They did VR and then interview in pairs in the hall. It sounds like the interviewers weren't all singing from the same hymn sheet, as my son said they were asking him about the hobbies etc. he'd written on the sheet - no tricks.
The interview process seems a bit slapdash, but they said they would bring back some boys for a second interview, so I suppose it might give them SOME info.
hradboiled at RGS they have a fairly casual interview on the day, in random pairs of boys, as stated.
Formal interviews only apply to the middle group after the exams are marked - top group get offered a place, no interview; bottom group get rejected, no interview; middle group get a call back interview and then may or may not get offered a place.
Sorry I was talking about other school exam. I won't reveal the name as there might be reserve day for others. Will let you know after a week.
Labro, we were told they'd ask unusual questions, but DS was just asked about a hobby he'd written down (which he'd made up on the spot on the form they'd given him, and is something he has zero experience in. Why???)
Lol, well, my ds didn't get asked anything about what he'd written on the form, was asked something like 'what would you do with 1 millon pounds'
ds and I have both gone down with the 'winter vomiting bug' in the early hours of this morning!!!!!!!!!
Sorry you're poorly Labro.
Just wondering, does anyone know how many applicants there are for the 100 year 7 places at this school? To me it looked as though there were about 500 boys there on Saturday!
Ginberry, there were in effect two separate pools on Saturday, one was 11+ for Y7 entry (mostly state school boys), and the other was 11+ for Y9 entry.
Since you had to choose one or t'other, the competition wouldn't be as bad as it might appear, so if there were 500 boys that would be for 100 11+ and 50 13+ places, so about 3 to 1, which I believe is the usual ratio.
I note that they appear to have updated their admissions supplement for 13+ applicants, such that the CE pass mark is now 70%, rather than 65%, and there is now a requirement to sit the higher tier paper in English.
Obviously some schools get more applicants per place than that, but as RGS is the highest achieving school for a good many miles around, most applicants would accept a place, so I guess they won't over-offer to any great degree and the majority of applications will be unsuccessful.
Thanks JoanByers. My understanding is that if you're outright rejected, or if you're asked back for a second interview, you get those letters this week (as the second interviews are next week), but if you are a "straight in" then you just don't hear at all until 18 Feb. Is this right or is it the case that both outright rejections and "straight ins" don't hear till 18 Feb?
I think they said they will let the know the straight rejections ASAP, and otherwise 18th but maybe sooner too.
Ginberry - I got the same impression as you. If you hear nothing that's very good news indeed. They send rejections out as soon as they can, so people aren't hanging on. Then they send out second interview letters which are for the borderline boys. The ones they definitely want, they simply offer places to when the deadline comes.
And I think Joan is right, very few people turn down RGS. There's more movement at Hampton and Reeds, as these are both second choice schools for lots of people. Even though Hampton is an academic school, it's still seen by some London parents as the safety net for boys who don't get into Kings, Westminster or St Pauls, so if their first choice comes through, they turn it down.
Thanks. I think they definitely let the second interviews know this week because the second interviews are held over 4 days next week starting on 22 Jan, so you'd have to be notified before then. So really it's just whether or not the rejections get told this week as well. I'd thought that was the case but another mum said to me today that rejects aren't told till 18 Feb either, which seemed harsh!
I think that mum may be wrong. HM said, no news is good news and those who haven't passed would be told soon.
Hampton and Reeds are both very oversubscribed, but Reeds would be a third choice usually, behind a school such as Hampton, so applicants per place stats there are even less meaningful.
If you look at Oxbridge stats RGS is sending 25%, whereas Hampton more like 10%, so there is a definite 'creaming off' to other schools (the London schools to the north of the Hampton catchment, and RGS to its south) of the most outstanding candidates, but still clearly enough candidates to be highly selective, and pursue a highly academic curriculum.
Is that the same sort of ratio for 13+ entry? Ds sat rgs and will sit the 13+ assessment at Reeds at the beginning of Year 7, his school are putting him in for the academic and DT scholarship. I'm wondering if sheer numbers of children applying means that I should have a third registered and if so which one? St Johns list is closed as is Epsom College and Cranleigh is completely out of league financially. We're based surrey/sussex end but do have the mobility to move the other side of guildford if needed.
Please be gentle, still feeling fragile!
what about City of London Freemans (in Ashtead?)
Just had a look at their website, main intake is 7? Is 13+ entry by CE rather than any pretesting and what are their bursary offers like at this age does anyone know?
I think they take in at 11+, 12+ and 13+. They seem to have improved their exam results quite a lot recently. There is info on scholarships on the website as well (not too many of those available though!) and bursaries. Worth looking at the Good School Guide?
Labro, we went to look at City of London Freemans. It's another nice school with great sports grounds and a swimming pool. Co-ed. The girl who showed us around was awe-inspiring. Very self confident and organised without being bossy. She kept us on our toes.
Their results looked good. I was a bit put off by the lack of work on display, a very grumpy art mistress (DS loves art, so it would be crucial to him) and when the language teachers told me students tend to study films not novels at A level these days. It didn't seem to have much academic rigour. But overall it had a good feel to it. The reason we ruled it out was that we want DS to be able to use public transport when he's older, and there's none to Ashtead from where we live.
Joan, do you understand the stats for Hampton? Their website says they had over 1000 boys sitting this Jan. But did that include 11 and 13+ entries and 10+ for 2014, or is that 1000 for the 70 places that go out to 11+ boys - in which case the chances of getting in are slighter than for Tiffin.
As I understand it Tiffin offer, in the end, almost 300 places from 1800 applicants, which is in 1 in 6 chance of success (PAN is 140).
I'm not sure what Hampton's position is, but I would guess that it is similar in that half of offers probably don't get taken up.
I know they are more oversubscribed than the RGS, I believe more like 5 or 6 to 1 rather than 3 to 1, but obviously the further down the pecking order (if people are applying to four schools, say), and the more competition there is, the less meaningful that is - some schools would need that many applicants per place just to fill the places with no selection at all! I think it says in the GSG but I don't have mine to hand currently.
One of the thing with Tiffin is the selection procedure is more transparent and if you're shit-hot on IQ tests (effectively), than that's it, you get in, whereas these private schools can decide they do or don't like you for any reason under the sun - from the school's reference, to your choice of sports/extra-curricular activities, music, or anything, so no boy is ever a cert really with these highly sought after private schools, whereas it's quite possible to be a cert for Tiffin i think.
Labro, if you are Sussex/Surrey what about Christ's Hospital or Ardingly ?
Can't do CH due to attitude of ds dad (won't sign paperwork and CH won't process without signature) and can't remember why I looked at Ardingly and didn't think about it after that.... have a feeling their bursary system is linked solely to scholarship rather than solely means tested, but will have another look.
Anybody know if the RGS letters (rejections / second interviews) have yet been sent or received? They must get sent out this week, surely?
Nothing here yet Bleak. Nothing from anyone. Strangely silent.
I thought the tension would drop after the exams, but although DS now bobbing around like a happy little helium balloon, I'm on knife edge and feel really aggrieved at every holiday brochure that thumps onto the mat when I want a letter. And don't mention the poor souls who ring up to try and fleece us into buying Microsoft spyware when we have a Mac. Every time the phone rings my heart jumps.
racingheart, where did you find those stats for Hampton? I looked in their website but can't find anything...
Anyone knows how many children they interview for the 11+ 120 places at Hampton?
No idea on Hampton as only did rgs.
Feel for you racing, I have a seperate post box and each day I'm dreading opening it and this is for entry in 2 years time, so goodness knows how you 11+ folk feel!
hardboiled - I think the stats were in the news bar down the side of the home page.
hardboiled - I think the stats were in the news bar down the side of the home page.
Thanks racing..Checked the news...I still can't find them! Must be my browser?
We've just had the rejection letter from Hampton. Ds will be very and so am I but there we go.
Sorry to hear mimble. Remember to assure your DS that this is in no way a reflection of who he really is and all he can achieve. Competition was mad this year, over 1000 boys and DS said it was a very very hard exam...
So sorry, nimble. Yikes. At least they don't seem to be keeping people waiting too long. Are you going to tell him straightaway or wait and see what else comes in. Did you apply elsewhere?
Hardboiled, I just had another look on the Hampton site (not that I'm neglecting my work all day out of nerves ) and can't find it either. But somewhere on their own site it said they'd had over 1000 candidates sitting this january. So the competition for places there is stiff.
As Joan says though, it probably works out about the same as for RGS. RGS has fewer candidates but tends to be a first choice school, whereas Hampton is second choice for lots of London parents who've tried their sons out for the top day schools, so their list might shake up a lot more. (So, it may be worth contacting them Mimble and asking to be considered for the waiting list. It's hard to judge how the acceptances will pan out.)
Oh I don't like this waiting game. I really should go and do some work and take my mind off it.
I had a bad feeling in my waters from the minute we turned up on that one - the volume of traffic alone!! Was it really 1000? Blimey.
Oh well, one down, two to go and then it's our local comp. Lots of reassurance and hugs and accentuating the positive tonight (and ignoring the fact the kids he most hates from his class will be going to said comp!). At least the rejection didn't come in until he'd finished all his exams which is a good thing.
which other schools has he applied to?
Latymer and Emanuel. Latymer was 900 according to someone who asked the registrar yesterday (and the pavements of Hammersmith were certainly teeming) and Emanuel went over their 500 cut off and had 650ish sit according to chatty teacher I was talking to on Saturday whilst waiting for him to come out of his exam room. It seems like it's a really heavily subscribed year across all the indies in West London.
I don't know - G&T in Maths and English, expected to get Level 6 SATs across the board and didn't even get an interview. Right - I will not dwell any longer; still have to get home from work, tell the poor sausage, and then cook his favourite supper in some sort of pathetic maternal attempt at setting the world to rights. Ho hum.
Do they give any feedback on how he performed? For the £100 registration fee it seems courteous if they would.
No - standard letter, exceptional number of candidates blah, blah, blah. Cor - £100,000 in exam fees alone. Mounts up, doesn' it? No wonder they can afford lovely astroturf hockey pitches.
He's just rung, having had a lovely day at school and all cheerful. Feel like a complete heel having to go home and tell him.
<doesn't anticipate giving DS a phone until he's about 15>
Sorry to hear your DS was unlucky, mimble. Sounds like a very tough exam if he's level 6s and didn't even get an interview. What are the other kids, rocket scientists??
For RGS, does anyone know if the boys called for second interviews get letters,or phone calls? The info sheet they gave out on Sat said interviews start on Tues 22 Jan so I'm working on the basis that if we haven't heard anything before say next Monday, we can expect to be in (as they did say they send the rejection letters quickly). Does that sound right?
I wish they would hurry up! I can't take this waiting!
It does sound right. I would be surprised if the letters weren't sent to ensure arrival by the end of this week, Sat at latest. My understanding was that second interviews would be offered by letter, not phone, but I am not sure if anybody was explicit on this point.
Joan, he does have a phone because he walks home on his own from school (to a house which always has someone, not to an empty one I hasten to add before everyone thinks he's a latch key kid in Y6 ) but he rang me from the house to tell me the story of the day, which is what he always does.
Jiddle, I suppose if there are 1000 and they take whatever it is - 120/140 then he just wasn't in the top 14%.
Thanks to all - talking it through on here has helped a fair bit in the last hour or so.
In fact, now I think about it, I am sure the HM said that there would be three types of LETTER sent out - rejection, second interview, or acceptance. Given the interview timescale, I think we can assume that the letters are in the post, or will be by close of play tomorrow.
Mimble, have you got any other indies that might take for yr 7 & 8 and then look at 13+ at an indie that doesn't pretest? The local comp sounds horrible for your ds
Ring round. Ring Latimer although that probably won't help. Ring all equivalent independents and the next tier down and you might find a spare place or twist an arm.
Also don't worry about it. Things often work out for the best anyway. We always tried to ensure with our 5 that it was very very clear it didn't matter at all and there were a range of schools and whichever they got in would be utterly fine.
Local comp will be fine for him if that's what it ends up being. It's on the up, Good with Outstanding Features of which teaching is one of the outstanding features which I hope is good news, he does G&T stuff there already so knows some of the science/maths staff and hopefully with a yearly intake the same size as his entire primary he'll be streamed well away from his bete noires as well as being out of a classroom with them even if in the same year. We've also always talked it up at home so it isn't a dire alternative in his head that would have us all wailing like the chorus of a Greek tragedy. Mind you I think there may be a bit of that tonight!
Did he have his heart set on Hampton ,Mimble*? Am dreading being in this position in the next few days myself!
For what it's worth, I failed my 11+ and was absolutely gutted. Thought it was the end of the world. The following year I got into another (also v academic but slightly less so) school, which I had a fantastic six years at and loved, made lifelong friends and left with straight As so it wasn't the end of the world after all. Just different.
I appreciate it's difficult to convey this to a disappointed child though. I hope your DS is ok.
Heart was a bit set, Jiddle, I have to say.
Bless him. I do feel for you both. These things are much worse when they happen to your DC than when they happen to you, I think.
I wasn't being disparaging about the phone, just my DS is hopeless with stuff. I went to pick him up from school today: 'Where's your hat?' 'Oh'. So he went back to get it. Comes back, minus his book bag which he had previously 'Where's your bag?' 'I must have left it in the changing room'.
Wouldn't trust him with a phone.
I would second xenia re ringing round.
Mimble, I also agree about ringing round. And no harm in asking for feedback from Hampton - did they not even give out his scores? With anticipated level 6 and G&T, he sounds well within their boundaries. Did you tutor him in NVR and VR? You could mention what you've just told us about him and ask for them to add him to their waiting list. You have nothing to lose by being keen and a bit pushy at this stage.
Incidentally, one indie head (not Hampton) told me that some state school heads send lousy two line reports or nothing at all. You might want to follow up and see what sort of report he has had from school. A non-committal one from a head who doesn't believe in private education might tip the balance on a borderline candidate and there's lots you could do to redress that.
Where are you based? Have you thought of some of the other South London private schools. Dulwich College may be a push at this late stage, but I've heard good things about St Dunstans. What about moving into a prep and reapplying for 13+? A friend's son got into his 1st choice school second time around by doing this and has loved his time there.
Good luck with Emmanuel (of which I hear good reports) and Latymer (don't know this school at all.)
DH asked why there was such a boom in private school applications if there's supposed to be a recession. Does seem higher than ever this year.
Mimble - we had a "no" from Hampton for my DS1 3 years ago and reading your post brought it all back. Now I'm so glad he didn't go there as he's very happy where he is (kgs), and much better in a mixed environment (yr 9 they've suddenly all woken up to the fact there are boys/girls in their class and that might actually be quite exciting!)
But I remember that horrible feeling when someone says "we don't want you" to child. The competition has obviously got ridiculously fierce this year if your DS is around level 6, that's mad, mine was level 5s and I was up in arms! Hope you get offers from the other schools (I would think your DS must be a sure thing for Emanuel, at least). Having had two boys through this process now, all I can say is that things really do have a way of turning out for the best - they're both at schools which really suit them. Good luck
How did he take it Mimble?
I have a friend (perhaps it's you stillfeel?) for whom the same thing happened. Brother at Hampton, but DS2 didn't pass and went to KGS which he loves and where he thrives. I do believe they end up at the right school. And Emmanuel is supposed to be wonderful. Just too far away from us to be a consideration.
We have an interview for Hampton. Letter came today.
Thanks for everyone's really kind support. He has taken the news like a trooper (rather tearful one but a trooper nonetheless) and is stalwartly waiting for the others. Latymer letters go out for rejection/interview invites on 29th Jan I believe and then Emanuel send out offers to arrive for 15th Feb. At least he's already had an interview there.
As they make the wait list out of the interviewed candidates at Hampton and do more interviews than they have places and as he obviously bombed the exam somehow we will move onwards and upwards. Our additional problem, which I'm certain makes him a less attractive prospect, was we were asking for a bursary and he has an SEN diagnosis so it's sort of a double whammy.
I'm sure he got a good reference from school as the Y6 teacher who writes them is incredibly conscientious on that front but what will be will be. Coming over a bit Doris Day this morning.
He's brave, Mimble. I hope he gets a place at a really brilliant school. Hampton is huge and very much a sink or swim school, so it may not have been the right place for him, despite his obvious academic ability.
Not heard from RGS yet.
Really well done to your ds racing, that's very good news. Fingers crossed for him.
Sorry your DS had a disappointment Mimble. It must be very tough news to break. We still haven't heard from anyone so I am assuming we're in the same position as you. I am hoping that we might get an offer from one of the 'lesser' academic schools - which incidentally was the most helpful and welcoming in all my dealings with them. Which gave me a better 'feeling' as we haven't even been able to visit any of the schools yet!
good luck to everyone still waiting for letters.
My DD1 is going for the 8+ at a selective independent but we are not in London so a lot less competitive. We haven't done much prep and I am now slightly anxious that we should have. Too late now as it is next week!!!
Looking forward to hearing how others are getting on. For what it's worth I got her to do the Kings' papers (only ones I could find online) to see where we were at and she found the Maths easy but the English pretty hard!!
mimbleandlittlemy, I am sorry for your disappointment. My DS also got turned down for the same school this week. It is interesting to hear what you say about your DS as mine is also on a 6 in sats and has a SEN which is now not needed but it is printed in BOLD letters on the report his (state) school sent. Head is very anti private schools and particularly so in DS's case for some reasn. I got a copy of the report yesterday out of curiosity and really I'd be very surprised if anyone offered him a place having read it . The 4 boys from his year who had interviews at Hampton and were all assured they would be offered places are on similar levels to my DS so my feeling that they just don't like anything out of the ordinary there could be true. That and they are so oversubscribed they can just pick what they think is the best in all aspects. Of course it could be that he completely messed up the exam but I don't think so as he said it was the best he did out of the 4 he's taken! It makes me sad but I do think there are schools out there who overlook anything different - King's is one school.
Strangely we still haven't heard from Hampton.... Which has to be bad news by now. Not even waiting for a letter - they said they'd contact by email as we are overseas ;(
Sorry to everyone who's been disappointed. We had a rejection from KGS yesterday and it's always difficult to deal with.....
castles and mimbles, if you really like Hampton, why not phone and ask for a chat? I find it really odious that state school heads who disapprove of private education can have that much power over a child's future. Our head also disapproves, but to their great credit, writes wonderful reports - schools have mentioned how full they are.
Still nothing from Hampton. I emailed today but no reply. Very odd - are those of you getting rejection letters (sorry )from a group who have applied for scholarships? I'm wondering if the non-scholarship rejections come later....? Or maybe someone in the office forgot we are overseas and has mailed us a rejection .
Nothing for us from rgs yet, snow giving me too much time to think. Still haven't worked out the value of testing a child at 11 for the 13+, but heyho
papalaz, if you are overseas, perhaps they don't call you for interview, in which case perhaps they won't write until they make the offers - which is all at once around 18th feb. Just a guess.
Thanks racingheart. I am planning to call the school but am waiting for DS to sit his last exam. I agree with your comment about power-wielding heads, so much so that I am removing my other 2 DC from the school at half-term.
papalazaru, we received our rejection letter from Hampton the same day the other boys in his year received letters inviting them to interview, which was 2 days later. They do it in batches of schools and do seem to be very organised so I would give them a call.
Thanks for the reassurance everyone. You may be right castles and racing heart. I think that the school closed early yesterday because of the snow so the email I sent wont have been read yet. A previous email had said I would hear within 10 days and that was by Friday - the registrar didn't mention that they don't interview overseas candidates so I just assumed they do. Having looked at their calendar all those interviews are scheduled for next week and they couldn't seriously expect us to make such a short notice trip (could they?). So that leads me to think it'll be a 'no'.
I wish I knew for the weekend but it looks like I'll just have to wait to Monday.
castles, one of the reasons we liked Hampton was the SEN provision which I was really impressed with, but interestingly of the 3 schools ds was sitting for, Hampton was the only one that did not give ds extra time in the exams having seen his SEN report. Now, I didn't ask for it, but Latymer and Emanuel both came through off exactly the same report Hampton had and offered extra time, whereas Hampton didn't - and ds hates the idea that he is in anyway different and might need it so wouldn't let me go back and ask. Now I'm not sure if it would have make any difference - and it's too late now.
Yesterday was a bit of a tough day for ds as his two best friends had their interviews.
papalazaru, I hope they come through soon - the waiting is enough to send us all utterly loopy though I am turning my mind to ordering the local state school uniform!
hampton were clearly not keen to give DS extra time either. So we didn't even bother to ask.
Yes I liked the look of SEN at Hampton too as DS has dysgraphia. We did get allocated a short amount of extra time but had to jump through hoops for it. And then DS didn't use it anyway ...... .
I just want this waiting over then I can calm down or a few weeks before the Feb offers when I'll ramp back up to being a crazed email checker.
SEN provision is brilliant at Hampton, over at LEH we were very jealous. I am absolutely sure a SpLD doesn't invite discrimination. Even LEH took my moderate to severe dyslexics. Of course, something you have in your favour is a rigourous assessment of ability.
Also over at LEH papalazaru we were called back from half way across the world for interview, by Godolphin and Latymer and LEH (St Pauls' and Surbiton interviewed on our look / see visit). In fact the old LEH Head actually rang us personally, must have been in her evening too, to apologise and explain why she felt it was important she met DD. I nearly died, as speaking to a Head immediately makes me regress to schoolgirl and I struggled to give better than monosyllabic answers as she tried to discuss expat life. Probably for the best, my normally garrulous self would probably have wrecked her chances completely! I think the expat selection process often goes out of sync as they have to consider the exam paper from the point of view of whether weaknesses are to do with ability or differences in education systems/ culture.
That's interesting Copthall - your DD must be very impressive to do so well at such great schools. And it makes sense that overseas applicants would be considered separately - though I didn't realize they'd make such allowances. As he's failed KGS I really don't expect a yes from Hampton. So Hopefully I'll get a rejection email on Monday morning otherwise I'll go into a complete tailspin at the thought of flying back for an interview !
DD2 did KGS. It sounded to be more of a straightforward test of attainment whereas Hampton have more of the reasoning type questions aimed at testing ability, trying to identify potential so I wouldn't give up. The KGS exam may have changed though, it has become much more popular. The new Head is one of the most impressive around.
I suspect DD1 got in on her Maths and Science geekyness. Writing any sort of story continued to provoke hysteria right up to GCSE!
They definitely make allowances and they definitely regard expats, and children from /raised in other cultures an asset to the school community, providing the benefit of their experiences in class.
Thanks Copthall - perhaps o/s students are marked separately hence the delay.... Still not heard and its driving me crazy!!
papalazaru Hope you hear soon and it is positive. The trouble is that you do not know what is going on. They may be waiting to see how the interviews go to see whether it is worth dragging you over? I am pretty sure DD was interviewed after the rest, the Head met us at the door and took her off, there was no one else there.
I wouldn't worry about nagging a bit to find out, as long as it is enthusiastic as so keen on school nagging, rather than annoyed nagging. They doubtless have some of the latter, some parents are unbelievably rude apparently!
Thanks again Copthall but we got the no thanks today. I will email and ask for some feedback on his scores. It's so difficult being out of the UK system, I really I have no idea what the SATs levels are etc. I did ask his teacher to read through the KS2 levels for maths and she did say that they hadnt yet covered it all but it would be covered by the end of this academic year.
I also wrote a back up letter to accompany all the applications explaining that he'd been US system educated all his life. Now I'm not sure whether to write to the remaining schools adding what his teacher told me about the maths or whether that just looks too desperate
Papalarazu, I'm sorry it was bad news. One thing to say though is not to feel despondent about the difference in the education systems. Your DS' teacher said all the KS2 maths would be covered by the end of the year. This is the same here. I was v surprised to learn that the 11+ exam covers the whole of KS2 when by Jan on course the kids (in state schools) have only done part of the year. We had a huge amount of work to do to cover the stuff he hasn't done already and even so DS found the maths hard. I only discovered this discrepancy in the syllabus quite late in the day and I appreciate it doesn't help you much now, but it may do if you're going to try again next year. If you do, then maybe a private tutor could help cover the "unknown" stuff?
papalazaru I am sorry it was a negative, but then it means that the school wasn't right for your DS rather than the other way around. The same problem with the syllabus did apply for DD as well, and her International School was very gentle, but we did work through some Maths books and Maths is her thing. I would add that her peers in her class at her gentle International School have gone on to great things regardless of what secondary school they went to, wherever in the world, almost every single one is now at a uni that is in the top 10 in the world, that expat experience prepares them well for life.
Thanks again Copthall. Still got a couple of irons in the fire but feedback from both KGS and Hampton points to huge holes in his maths and very spiky results. If he's underperformed in all his maths papers then I'll have to bring in Plan B - Prep school to 13 then a school that doesn't require a pretest. The only silver lining here is that this process has shown me where we really need to work, and part of our re-patriation package includes tutoring. So between me and a tutor hopefully we can fill in the gaps and get him running up to speed..... can't wait
Whilst all independent schools can set their own tests at 11+, this site gives past papers for the state school children, they take them in May of Yr 6. http://www.emaths.co.uk/index.php/4-students/past-papers/ks2-sat-papers might give you an idea of how far behind your child is in maths to do one of the non calculator papers (test a), a score or about 50-75% on one of them would equate to an average child nationally in the UK.
That's a pity about the maths. It's one of the easiest subjects to work on as a parent IMO, with right/wrong answers and lots of websites that you can subscribe to for online tutoring.
Do you think so Joan? We got into a real pickle with it because we learned maths differently from how it is now taught in state schools and the DC got very confused and uptight by DH and I trying to explain, say, long division when apparently they no longer teach it as long division.
We hired tutor who gently steered them through. But I agree, it's either right or wrong, so in that sense, we can help.
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