Private school plumbs new depths

(134 Posts)
Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 15:16:03

Well. I have browsed many a thread here about the depths that Queen Ethelburger's school/faculty/college will go to in the quest for pupils.

Here I am, one of the people least likely ever to use a private school, and today they sent me a mail shot.

My jaw hit the deck when I saw inside it a list, by full name, of their leavers, together with their university destination and course, and full A level results.

Would anyone here ever send their DC to a school that sent that information out to randoms? Really? Here is my email to them, but I am wondering whether I should also report them elsewhere. Has any other Guardian-reading southerners been sent this rubbish?

I am horrified that you have mail shot me. My children are far too important to me to take the risk of educating them in any school that needs to send out mail shots to people who have never expressed any interest in your school.

However, as a teacher and parent, I am even more horrified that you sent the names, A-level grades and current university of your leavers in a mailing. This alone shows me that you have no respect for the personal data of your pupils and show scant regard for the most basic safeguarding procedures. You can show destinations without names, you know. Any good school or college can do this. 

Do not contact me again. I am a member of the mailing preference service. Do not pass my data on to any other organisation. The reference on your envelope was jhjhjhjhjhjhjhjhj Please confirm my email that you have deleted my details and that they will not be passed on. I would also be interested to know where you got my address from.

mumblechum1 Sat 24-Nov-12 15:17:51

Isn't that a breach of the DPA?

Wandastartup Sat 24-Nov-12 15:23:28

I had it too- just wondered if it had come from mumsnet?

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 15:24:58

I've never posted on one of their threads, though, and Mumsnet doesn't have my home address. Talk about a stalkers' passport, though. Really worrying.

difficultpickle Sat 24-Nov-12 15:30:30

Caldicott (top boys prep school) publish leavers destinations by boys' names. I've always been a bit hmm but it at least informs me that ds needs to have a Chinese surname to be a King's Scholar at Eton grin.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 15:37:40

That is just shocking. It's putting DCs on an advertising hoarding. Tacky.

But those former pupils are now outside the school, at uni. And easily identifiable by randoms. Sheesh.

LadyMaryChristmas Sat 24-Nov-12 15:39:39

I really doubt mumsnet HQ would have given this place your contact details, Wanda! grin Sounds like a mail shot. They may be short of pupils.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 15:40:49

They clearly are, if they're mailing me.

difficultpickle Sat 24-Nov-12 15:46:11
LadyMaryChristmas Sat 24-Nov-12 15:46:32

Seriously, they wouldn't do that. Wouldn't it breach the data protection act for a start?

Xenia Sat 24-Nov-12 15:48:12

It is our local state schools - comps - who pick the few - saty 4 only children with remotely decent A levels. They put a photo up of the poor things and say where they are going. It is almost amusing as often their grades are nothing like all the good private schools so it is in effect an advert about inadequacy of local schools without the state schools realising it.

Many parents want to see destinations of leavers. Sutton trust has lists

If you go to page 235 or 29 of this pdf you can see the best schools in the country for destinations which wonderfully have my daughters' schools in the top 5. However an individual school can only name pupils with consent. Many such schools in both sectors seek such consent.

Believe it or not a parent and the child may want to show off little Johnny got AAAA and a place at Oxford to read medicine.

picturesinthefirelight Sat 24-Nov-12 15:53:18

All the schools state and private in my area publish this information in the local papers often accompanied by photos of smiling 6th formers waving pieces of paper

Can't see the problem.

YouBrokeMySmoulder Sat 24-Nov-12 15:57:18

To mail shot is not a verb.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sat 24-Nov-12 15:57:26

I've just been around a load of secondary schools. Several of them provide full lists of leavers' full names, and university destinations. It's not a mail shot, but it's handed out to anyone who wanders in on an Open Day.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:09:50

In all of the cases above, the data is provided for people who have explicitly requested information on the school. Local paper? Sure - but it's tomorrow's chip wrappers. Mail shot to gawd knows who? Different league.

Yes, thank you: I am well aware that I have coined "to mail shot" as a nice new verb. grin

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:14:52

In both the private and state schools where I have taught, the destinations data was always anonymised. None of them struggle to get excellent pupils.

Why do their names need to be there at all? It's as easy to lie with a list of names as it is a list of destinations.

DH got this, I wondered what mailing list he'd got himself onto grin. Admittedly we have a DD in Y6, but we live in the SE, so if we'd been planning on sending her to board at age 11, we'd have been sorting it out before now. Do they have money to waste mailshooting totally random families?

I got one of those mailshots too. I have no idea where they got my details and it was in the bin until now. I doubt I will send DD there in the near future as she is only 2. I found the league table they made up at the front of independent co-ed day and boarding schools quite funny as they have split the school in two to enable them to put the more academic pupils into one school higher up the league tables than the other. I would be furious if my A level grades, university destination and name were published in this way.

Mintyy Sat 24-Nov-12 16:17:10

"It is our local state schools - comps - who pick the few - saty 4 only children with remotely decent A levels. They put a photo up of the poor things and say where they are going. It is almost amusing as often their grades are nothing like all the good private schools so it is in effect an advert about inadequacy of local schools without the state schools realising it."

That really is an exceptionally poor, even unfathomable, sentence from you Xenia. Hopefully the outstandingly expensive schools you sent your dc to have done a better job on their education.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:17:46

Lots of us on the list, then. They must be really, really desperate for pupils if they're taking so little trouble to target their mailings.

Glad I'm not alone in finding it distasteful.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:18:44

I'm looking for the "like" button for Minty's post. Vintage Xenia!

LadyMaryChristmas Sat 24-Nov-12 16:19:30

Are you all in that area? wink They may be working their way through the telephone directory.

hf128219 Sat 24-Nov-12 16:20:26

Yo can usually find this info on any school web site.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:35:56

LadyMary - not in the phone book. Wouldn't put it past Jonnie Boden to flog addresses.

The info is usually anonymised on websites. All schools publish it - I've got no beef with that. It's the full list that makes them contactable via their university department, combined with it all being sent unsolicited to Randoms, that leaves me feeling rather uneasy.

LadyMaryChristmas Sat 24-Nov-12 16:39:52

Some companies do pass on addresses to third parties. You have to look at the small print and usually you have to opt out.

I'm about 4 hours away. So DD could board. If they take toddlers.

I do tick the "no junk mail" box when ever I notice it. I blame "Not on the High Street" as I am in a battle with them not to get junk after ordering off a wedding gift list on their website.

prh47bridge Sat 24-Nov-12 16:45:03

As others have said, many schools, both state and independent, publish this information. In Data Protection terms it makes no difference whether they publish it in the local paper or give it to parents at an open evening.

This school (like many others) requires parents and pupils to agree that any information may be used or disseminated as the school deems necessary. Agreeing to the terms and conditions therefore qualifies as giving consent.

It is, of course, open to any pupil who objects to refer the matter to the ICO and claim that the school did not have proper consent as they could not refuse consent and continue to attend the school (I don't know if this is actually true - it may be that the school will allow individuals to opt out of this particular part of their terms and conditions). I presume that either this has not yet happened for this school or any of the other schools following this practise, or that the ICO rejected any complaint.

44SoStartingOver Sat 24-Nov-12 16:45:57

I got it too!

If they targeted it in any way, I'd be astounded.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:53:23

I tick all of the "do not send me crap or pass my details to anyone who might send me crap" boxes with a fervour that verges on the religious.

Do people seriously accept this as a condition of entrusting their child genius to a school? What a way to treat your customers.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 16:54:48

@breatheslowly - she could enjoy the plasma screen in every bedroom.

sybilwibble Sat 24-Nov-12 16:58:25

I got that too. Found it very useful, as it made it very clear the results from my DC's school were much better than theirs!

annh Sat 24-Nov-12 17:08:52

Did they email the entire country? I also received that mailshot but threw it in the bin without even reading. We live nowhere near the school and I don't even have girls, no idea where they got my details.

iseenodust Sat 24-Nov-12 17:19:04

No, must be clearly targetted as we haven't got one.
Oh, hang on, ours will come later as an insert in the weekly freebie newspaper. grin

goralka Sat 24-Nov-12 17:26:20

It is our local state schools - comps - who pick the few - saty 4 only children with remotely decent A levels. They put a photo up of the poor things and say where they are going. It is almost amusing as often their grades are nothing like all the good private schools so it is in effect an advert about inadequacy of local schools without the state schools realising it
I am sure the local crap school are happy to have 'amused' you

Mominatrix Sat 24-Nov-12 17:29:09

bisko - just took a look at the leavers destinations for Caldicott, and your information is not accurate - K** is NOT a Chinese last name, but Korean.

Sorry for derailing, but these sorts of ignorant statements are my bugbear.

Mominatrix Sat 24-Nov-12 17:29:34

meant bisjo!

Felicitywascold Sat 24-Nov-12 17:33:39

Xenia despite her excellent education doesn't know that children in state schools get A*s at A Level too. Priceless.

ggirl Sat 24-Nov-12 17:34:24

I have just thrown that mail shot in the recycling bin , no idea where they got my address from as I too opt out ALL the time. Must have cost a bomb.

ggirl Sat 24-Nov-12 17:41:29

the 6th form has a sauna and solarium shock

ggirl Sat 24-Nov-12 17:42:11

and 20 person jacuzzi

ggirl Sat 24-Nov-12 17:42:32

hope they supply free condoms as well

diabolo Sat 24-Nov-12 17:46:36

Interesting - I got one on Friday - and have never, ever expressed any interest in DC going there. I have, however, posted on thread about them and do have a DS in private education.

The mail shot was addressed to my DH, not me, and I can't imagine where they have got his details from - all our online shopping is in my name.


Llareggub Sat 24-Nov-12 17:46:42

I got it too, as did quite a few of my friends. I blamed boden.

LadyMaryChristmas Sat 24-Nov-12 17:49:43

I buy from boden, they haven't sent me one. grin

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 17:54:21

They mail shoot (!) me too, but I haven't had the one with the actual leavers names yet.

Bizarre place.

difficultpickle Sat 24-Nov-12 18:00:22

Mominatrix Kim is indeed a Korean name. Mr Kim won two awards but I think you will find that two of the scholars names are Chinese, hence my comment which was not 'ignorant' at all. Thank you in advance for your apology hmm

QTPie Sat 24-Nov-12 18:03:11

I got the mail shot too. Thought it was some subtle "Catholic Boarding School" thing requested to be sent to me by the MIL hmm. Maybe not then.

I live in Bath (so nowhere near the school), DS isn't even 3 yet. He is signed up for a local private pre-prep (can't imagine him ever boarding). No idea where they got my details...

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 18:03:24

If they ever send me anything addressed to 'the parent or carer of DD', I will worry. As it is I guess they just use whatever list it is any other dubious company uses to send out its drivel!

happygardening Sat 24-Nov-12 18:03:24

I don't think it's Boden I buy from them and haven't received one. DH is a serious Guardian on line reader and were south/south west and he didn't receive anything. But we do obsessively tick the dont pass my details onto a third party etc etc.
DS2 old prep published names and destinations but doesn't really bother me and I think Magdelan College School did publish university destination either on their website or attached to a prospectus. Many indepenent schools publish leavers names and university destinations in their annual magazine. Ok not available to all but very widely distributed.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 18:04:32

OP, were the results any good though?

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 18:04:47

AA*A*A*A*A from a state school and that place to read Medicine at Oxford from my own little Johnny Xenia. (Slight apologies. I'm just taking the opportunity offered by Xenia to boast in order to annoy an embittered public school stalker).

This Sutton trust report is 2008. Even leaving aside the fact that it's out of date, it's yet another ST report where at least some of the data seems flaky.

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 18:08:06

Bloody / bold: A A* A* A* A* A*.

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 18:09:32

Oh it's ridiculous. 6 bloody A*s.

mathanxiety Sat 24-Nov-12 18:28:28

This should never be done without express permission from parents or the student if over 18. The DCs' HS in the US published photos, names, university destinations and various academic honours of the valedictorians and national merit scholars, but only with permission. A friend of mine had a DS in a local very expensive private school. She was incensed when the DS's name and details were splashed all over local papers by the school when he was named a Presidential Scholar.

difficultpickle Sat 24-Nov-12 18:28:42

A*A*A*A*A*A* Yellowtip that's an amazing achievement from any school.

PMMummy Sat 24-Nov-12 18:33:18

We got the mail shot too, but more interestingly it was addressed to DH - who barely ever uses the Internet unless it involves watching 22 men kick a ball around. Very strange where they have his name from ??

ISingSoprano Sat 24-Nov-12 18:34:32

I got it too and I'm registered with the Mail Preference Service angry

antimony Sat 24-Nov-12 18:44:59

I got it too, very surprised, just how desperate are they? I live in London and my kid is under 7 though I see they offer boarding even for that age. I reckon Boden.

We get the odd mailshot about local private schools. Why is this bad?

Mrsrobertduvallsaysboo Sat 24-Nov-12 19:40:17

I got one too.
No idea why.

Lemonsole Sat 24-Nov-12 19:50:21

Good schools tend not to feel any need to send out completely untargetted advertising material, and nor do they divide their sixth form into two for the purpose of publishing results. I've never seen one before that felt the need to make it easy to contact each and every ex pupil. Bonkers.

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 20:21:41

Impressed by your competence bisjo and yes, I'm v. proud. He's cool.

Mominatrix Sat 24-Nov-12 20:46:53

"but it at least informs me that ds needs to have a Chinese surname to be a King's Scholar at Eton "

One was Chinese and one was Korean, thus I don't think an apology is necessary, but I do apologize to all for being such a bore about this.

difficultpickle Sat 24-Nov-12 20:52:54

There are two names on the list that I would hazard a very strong guess are Chinese, or more likely Chinese Malaysian and Taiwanese as I don't think the school attracts mainland Chinese (at least it didn't the last time I visited). There is one Korean name hence my frivolous comment about ds having a Chinese surname. If the Korean names had been in the majority I would have said Korean.

I didn't for one second say or imply that the Korean name was Chinese but for some reason you seem to think that I did. Feels a bit silly to point out something that was not meant as a serious statement but obviously I've touched a very raw nerve with you and for which I apologise that I know the difference between Chinese names and Korean names and didn't see the need to spell it out.

difficultpickle Sat 24-Nov-12 20:55:04

The other Chinese name had another scholarship, but you get the gist of my what I thought was witty and off the cuff remark <<steers clear of posters who analyse every post>>

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 20:59:48

Frivolous or not, your comment had a point. A very, very experienced and long serving teacher at one of the schools at the top of the ST list showed DD1 the A Level results for this year a few days after they came out - and the correlation between the sort of names you mention and the very, very high scores.

Notquite Sat 24-Nov-12 21:03:55

I got this too - I can't think how we got on to a mailing list. Not Boden in our case. We're in the Midlands and the envelope had a Birmingham postmark, fwiw.

Xenia Sat 24-Nov-12 21:05:03

Not public. I don't like boarindg schools as they can cause psychological damage. Not bitter. I think both Y and I have been delighted with the education we have respectively had for our children in the private and state sectors. So that is lovely for both of us.

Not really understanding what points people are making about the Chinese.

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sat 24-Nov-12 21:06:18

What's interesting, (if wildly off topic) is that unlike every other ethnic group in the UK, the results of students of Chinese origin are independent of parents' socio-economic status.

Xenia Sat 24-Nov-12 21:08:43

I think it's really simple. It's about Tiger parents and a difficult culture. No group does as well as Chinese girls in UK exams.

This is the kind of thing they do

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 21:13:05

Gosh Xenia, no, not you. You seem very content. No, someone else entirely. Very discontent. A boarding school mum. Nutty.

Anyhow yes, we both seem happy and happy for our DC smile. Nothing to do with A*.

sleeplessinderbyshire Sat 24-Nov-12 21:13:37

I got it too and rang them to complain that it was aggressive and unsolicited marketing and that whilst I had never for a moment considered private education for DDs there was no way on God's Earth that I would ever consider a school which buys dodgy mailing lists and wastes school fees on aggressive advertising. The school secretary spoke to me like I was some kind of nutjob so I am relieved I am not alone in thinking their mail shots are way out of line

Yellowtip Sat 24-Nov-12 21:17:37

It seems immensely counter-productive. Why would anyone want to have a DC apply to a school which needed to use such needy techniques? Get rid.

Xenia Sat 24-Nov-12 21:18:54

You can always say to them - please remove me from your mailing list (and they have 30 days to do it).

That comment of Xenia's is an absolute classic from her and not in a good way.

Here the students going to Oxbridge from the local (state) 6th Form College usually have their names and photos in the paper on results day and I have to say that it does cheer me up to know that virtually every year their results are better than the very expensive public school down the road.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 21:23:21

I'll never ring them and tell them to stop mail shooting me: their drivel is entertaining! A bit like Xenia larfing and larfing at the state school results I suppose!

I got one, too - and am completely bemused. I don't think it can be a Boden mailing list, because I gave never bought anything from Boden. I have looked at the catalogue, when it's come in a magazine - maybe that was all it took, and *Jphnny Boden knows where I live^!! << draws curtains and hides behind sofa >>

Epic italicisation fail. Plus spelling mistake. I give up.

blisterpack Sat 24-Nov-12 21:29:21

We got that one too! In DH's name. I did wonder why they targetted us. We are Boden customers too, is that the common link?

Must say, I loved the way they'd done the "league table" putting them at no. 7 on it. Out of all private schools, first you eliminate all single sex schools, then you eliminate all the day only schools, then the boarding only schools. From all that remains, Queen whatever ranks No. 7. Well done.

I was gawping at the boarder's bedrooms though. Even DD in Year 6, who should have been impressed, asked why on earth would each child need a PS3 of their own in their room.

LJBrownie Sat 24-Nov-12 21:41:04

I got it too! Despite living in London, having children many years off secondary school age and definitely not having ever expressed an interest in private schooling... Such a random direct mailing must have cost them a lot for presumably low return - not just a cheap one page flyer either!

maxmillie Sat 24-Nov-12 21:45:44

It's funny, everytime I read an education thread that mentions private schools, where Xenia inevitably pops up, it makes me more inclined to send my dc to a state secondary school after their prep school, rather than one of the schools that she would deem worthwhile.

Perhaps it's some kind of gameplay? I think all her dc are safely ensconced in their expensive and therefore acceptable schools or at university, so perhaps this is to keep us plebs out of the private sector and leave more room for the children of her clients and friends?

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 21:46:53

'league tables can be confusing so we have made our own. And who'd've thought, but it turns out we're top!'

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 21:48:39

I dunno, max, it is always fun to laugh at pupils from state school who've done well! Pathetic little proles eh? hmm

Just vile.

Welovecouscous Sat 24-Nov-12 21:53:43

Your comment about the state school photos is very mean, Xenia. You don't know what the starting point of those pupils was - the grades concerned may have been a very good achievement for them.

Btw I had my pic in the local rag when I got A A A A A at A level and went to Oxbridge from my bog standard comp. Free as well smile

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 21:56:49

In general and on the whole it is certainly the case that many many parents of children at NLCS and habs girls are revolting snobbish bigots. In general and on the whole. What am I being asked here?

RyleDup Sat 24-Nov-12 21:57:33

I got one of those mail shots. I know where it came from though. I signed up to a different parenting site a long time ago and used a false name, but for some reason my own address. Anyway the mail shot arrived advertising a local private school, addressed to my fictitious name.

APMF Sat 24-Nov-12 22:52:22

@welovecouscous - Well, I got AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and I went to Oxford AND Harvard at the same time AND I went to an indie. Who is to say which one of us (or both) is lying to make a point.

Anyway, we get it that fees does not necessarily equal academic success so stop acting as if you are the only one clever enough to see it.

Not every one sends their kids to private schools expects their DCs to get As. If they are rich enough to afford £30k pa for x DCs then something tells me that they aren't obsessing about their DCs getting good grades so that they can get good well paid jobs.

My friend's DD recently did her GCSEs and got mostly Bs with a few As and Cs. To you my friend didn't get much to show for £20k a year in school fees. From her viewpoint her DD had a wonderful time being educated in a former stately home which had its own lake for watersports. And its not as if they had to do without over the years.

Welovecouscous Sat 24-Nov-12 23:01:01

How funny that you insinuate I am lying. Obviously you think you can't get 5 As at A level in a big standard comp!

My point is not that I am oh so clever (I don't think those A grades or an Oxbridge degree prove intelligence), but that children from state schools do get good grades. It is horrible for Xenia to be sneering at the ads.

Welovecouscous Sat 24-Nov-12 23:01:30

It was both big and bog as it happens - thanks iPhone!

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 24-Nov-12 23:13:26

She's not sneering at ads, she's sneering at children from state schools in local newspapers for having done well.

By and large and on the whole, it is certainly true to state that some people are utterly vile, ignorant, uncharitable and downright unpleasant.

I think I'm getting the hang of this now!

Rosevase Sun 25-Nov-12 06:50:27

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APMF Sun 25-Nov-12 07:57:02

What has the owner being on holiday got to do with it? If your Virgin Atlantic flight is cancelled do you blame Sir Richard Branson?

Xenia Sun 25-Nov-12 08:21:22

There is nowhere in the country with as good state schools in the region as where I am. From here people send children to Henrietta Barnet, QE is that the name? Also although technically comprehensive Watford Grammar.

No one disputes that their exam results are excellent. What I meant in passing was some of our schools which take children who don't go there will trumpet someone in the local paper with relatively mediocre grades, that's all and all it does is mean that parents from private and also selective secondaries will see the difference. Of course I accept there may well have been a lot of added value.

My DH got it too, SE London. He is on No mailing lists as he is incompetent unable to perform any administrative roles in our house, so even the credit cards are my name and he gets the 2nd card.

The only thing he is on a mail list for is his profession (medical - member of HCP) so those of you whose DH got one, does this apply?

will attempt to be a spook for few hours

Felicitywascold Sun 25-Nov-12 10:28:53

Xenia you do understand that part of the reason for good grades at selective schools is because they select based on ability?

The child being trumpeted may have far more value added than the A* child at the independent?

It is simplistic to suggest that the A* is all thy matters.

happygardening Sun 25-Nov-12 12:09:33

Can't be Boden as so many DH's got them it sounds like its something men provide an email address for ?energy company passing on details or TV licence on line supermarket or maybe broadband provider? Im not a tremendous fan of Johny Boden who's incidentally is an old Etonian but I cant see him giving them email details of his customers to a very minor and poorly regarded public school.

blisterpack Sun 25-Nov-12 16:38:02

Maybe it's just the phone book then they've used.

I don't have a problem with boarding - it may be the right solution in certain circumstances. But they list boarding fees for reception. The thought of a 4 year old boarding makes me want to cry.

Lemonsole Sun 25-Nov-12 19:15:24

It's not the phone book, as we're not in it. We also opt out of the commercial bit of the electoral roll. Don't have cable tv either. The sheer scale of the mailing points to multiple list purchases, so we could all be correct.

Regardless of how little it may have cost, it must have had completely the opposite effect to what they wanted to achieve - nobody wants to send their DCs to a school that is desperate for pupils - state or private.

Greythorne Sun 25-Nov-12 20:12:44

Yes, silly state schools. They take everybody. All children in catchment. The bright ones. The not so bright ones. The ones with learning difficulties. The ones with absent parents. Or parents working two minimum wage jobs to stay afloat. So amusing of them to highlight their modest exam successes.

How the private school parents with £20k a year per child to spare, plus a bright child who is academically able must giggle.

goralka Sun 25-Nov-12 20:15:38

ooh how we laughed

SoldeInvierno Sun 25-Nov-12 21:41:21

I got that letter as well and have been wondering who the hell sold them my address.

archilles Sun 25-Nov-12 21:55:11

I am feeling very left out. Sad to say no mail shot here.

Xenia, you are quite the most boring,unpleasant and ignorant person to frequent this board. Posting the same old tripe repeatedly does not make it true.

drjohnsonscat Sun 25-Nov-12 21:55:30

Nicely done greythorne.

SunshadesOfGrey Sun 25-Nov-12 21:57:00

DH got this too. He's on the no junk mail preference list and is far better than I am at remembering to tick the box to not send any crap. neither of us shop at Boden.
Very strange indeed

blisterpack Sun 25-Nov-12 22:13:08

I wasn't too bothered about the mail shot, though I didn't know at the time what a mass scale it was on. Thought we were special wink.

It was the doctored league table that made me giggle. I'm not giggling at any children or their results though as above. Just the fact that they listed only co-ed, indies, with both boarding and day pupils. Thereby eliminating all the top names in one swoop.

Turniphead1 Sun 25-Nov-12 22:15:55

I feel really gutted not to have been "mail-shotted" by Queen Ethelburgas.

Turniphead1 Sun 25-Nov-12 22:17:08

Wot Greythorne said.

Jajas Sun 25-Nov-12 22:51:49

I didn't get one either despite shopping prodigiously at JB's for years.

I used to get a flier in Horse and Hound when I subscribed.

CaseyShraeger Sun 25-Nov-12 23:09:24

I got this. I was a bit surprised, but thought I was special <pouts>. I may have the mailshot still lying around somewhere if those feeling left out would like a copy (although TBH that sounds like a far more selective group).

OhDearConfused Mon 26-Nov-12 10:05:20

Unless there is "informed consent", there is a clear breach of data protection law - the point ha been made above already.

However, I do not think that consent obtained in the Ts and Cs of the contract (signed at the beginning of year 7, or whatever entry point is applicable) does the trick. They would need to ask at the time of the mailing to include children's results. By then, they would ask the children who would be clearly of an age to give informed consent.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Mon 26-Nov-12 12:56:45

I think the past tense in this instance might be 'mail shat'.

bulletpoint Mon 26-Nov-12 13:38:47

Greythorne said ^Xenia
Yes, silly state schools. They take everybody. All children in catchment. The bright ones. The not so bright ones. The ones with learning difficulties. The ones with absent parents. Or parents working two minimum wage jobs to stay afloat. So amusing of them to highlight their modest exam successes.

How the private school parents with £20k a year per child to spare, plus a bright child who is academically able must giggle.^

Absolutely! I dont think private school parents are giggling at all, Xenia is just ghastly and her arrogance knows no bounds, ridiculous woman!

Abra1d Mon 26-Nov-12 13:45:14

At my son's school Further Maths papers are referred to as 'Asian Maths' because of the high concentration of boys from China in particular who sit them and excel in them.

iseenodust Mon 26-Nov-12 14:58:36

grin at TheOrigSN

Lemonsole Mon 26-Nov-12 15:01:56

I do like the past tense "mail shat". It depicts meaning in, oh, so many ways. grin

Absolutely bulletpoint it is mortifying.

Umeboshi Sat 01-Dec-12 19:08:34

I think Xenia's post got slightly misconstrued. She was criticising the schools for pompously trumpeting mediocre results. Perhaps she has a point. I know that my son's old comprehensive got very few A*s for its pupils and the reason was the teachers were struggling to shout over the children. The bright children at the school were not being well served.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sun 02-Dec-12 09:51:39

How on earth do you know they are 'pompously trumpeting'?

If Xenia felt she had been misconstrued, she's had plenty of time to say so.

Umeboshi Sun 02-Dec-12 16:55:22

Nit -- Because she's repeatedly used the words 'trumpeting' and 'mediocre'.

The sad thing is most of you weren't really paying attention to what she was trying to say. You were too busy pandering to your own prejudices about her.

Next time, read the words more attentively.

Personally, I agree with her. Celebrating mediocrity is pretty sad.

Greythorne Sun 02-Dec-12 17:06:50


Re-read Xenia's post

She did not talk about anybody being "pompous"

And she talked about decent grade, not mediocrity.

goralka Sun 02-Dec-12 17:10:00

Next time, read the words more attentively
I have deconstructed her message totally and all I can see is blatant mocking of state schools for celebrating any success.

bamboostalks Sun 02-Dec-12 17:14:34

Dh received one. Very bizarre indeed as we live in London and have never professed any interest in this establishment.

poozlepants Sun 02-Dec-12 17:22:03

I got one and I live in Scotland and have one DC (4). It can't be Boden as I haven't shopped there from this address. I did think it was very strange. I scoffed.

Umeboshi Sun 02-Dec-12 17:35:18

Greythorne -- in Xenia's very own words:

'No one disputes that their [the good state schools'] exam results are excellent. What I meant in passing was some of our schools which take children who don't go there will trumpet someone in the local paper with relatively mediocre grades, that's all ...'

Is that really so hard to decipher?

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sun 02-Dec-12 17:38:43

The fact that she chose the word 'trumpeting' to describe 'making known to the local press' is not really proof of anything though, is it? It's just a perjorative verb that she has chosen, not an accurate objective description of what happens.

Greythorne Sun 02-Dec-12 19:16:28

Wgere did she talk about them being pompous?

I accept she used the word 'trumpet" but nowhere did she say pompously.

Mutteroo Mon 03-Dec-12 07:39:46

If you ever order items on the Internet, you'll come across the boxes which ask you if you want mail shots from them 'tick or untick this box'. The next blurb will ask you if you mind your details being passed to a third party and again its a 'tick or untick' the box. Quite often the wording is confusing and people end up agreeing to their details being passed on in error. Is it possible this has happened to you OP? So easily done.

There are businesses that still abuse the system though, Even if you've signed up to the mail and phone services, you still get junk from them. The fines are minuscule and it would appear many businesses will pay the fines and offset this against the money they make from those who fall for their ,...ahem...charms.

DC old schools only list destinations, however DS school used to list full names. You'll also find many private schools list full names and prep schools when publishing scholarship results.

annh Mon 03-Dec-12 10:55:05

Yes, and sneakily if you tick the boxes not to receive marketing stuff and then move onto the next page but have made an error or left out a phone number of something, when you go back to the original page, it often seems to default the opt-out clause back to receiving mailings etc. Unless you specifically tick the boxes again, you then proceed to payment without realising that the options have changed.

LettyAshton Mon 03-Dec-12 12:11:37

Dh got one too the other day. So I don't think they got their mailing list from Mumsnet!

Biscuitsneeded Mon 03-Dec-12 19:37:55

My partner got one of those too. We found it quite amusing. I do think that any school that resorts to sending mailshots is probably not a school you'd want to send your child to - even if you did have any spare money, and even if you weren't opposed to private education as a general principle anyway... I do think they could do their market research a bit more thoroughly!

Biscuitsneeded Mon 03-Dec-12 19:43:43

My partner got one of those too. We found it quite amusing. I do think that any school that resorts to sending mailshots is probably not a school you'd want to send your child to - even if you did have any spare money, and even if you weren't opposed to private education as a general principle anyway... I do think they could do their market research a bit more thoroughly!

NessaYork Sat 25-May-13 07:01:48

QE's is owned by an Insurance Company specialising in equestrian and pet insurance policies. Maybe they got your details through a financial services organisation?

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