Would you, or do you allow your DC do things which might impact on their education?

(52 Posts)
wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 10:19:47

Just want to pick people's brains really.

DD (yr 9) has been asked to audition for a west end show. If she got the part it would mean quite a bit if time away from school and that worries me.

Does anyone else have DC who have done somehting like this or perhaps take part in sport or somehting else that has meant absences from school?

What do people think?

Does your DD want to continue in singing / theatre when she leaves school? Will the Theatre provide a tutor for her? If yes to both, I'd say go for it.

If she was Yr 11 and about to do GCSEs, then possibly not, but she's Yr 9 so go for it.

CecilyP Thu 22-Nov-12 10:28:40

Yes, I would go for it. Y9 is a bit of an odd year anyway. If she had started the GCSE syllabus, then it would be more of a problem.

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 10:30:36

DD very much enjoys being in school productions etc. Whether she wants the life of an actress I don't know.

As for a tutor, I'm not sure. The trouble is they won't be able to bring in tutors for every subject will they?

I'm torn. On the one hand I think it would be a wonderful experience. On the other, I'm worried it will be too desruptive.

UC Thu 22-Nov-12 10:30:44

I would think DD must be really talented to be asked to do this. I would say yes, do it. I will be a wonderful experience. Is she interested in this as a career? Will she be doing home study during the time? Or tutoring or something? How much will she actually miss?

lisad123 Thu 22-Nov-12 10:31:02

I would and i would hire a tutor. I think legally there are some things you have to do.

ZZZenAgain Thu 22-Nov-12 10:31:35

my dd is a bit younger so I am not worried about exams yet but yes, I have taken her out of school to do things with music which seemed great opportunities such as travelling abroad with an orchestra and doing a stint at a conservatory on the youth programme for children - also abroad. She is still only 12 so it isn't that much of a problem yet. I don't let her do everything and I go on the advice of her music teacher/orchestra leaders. Soon I think I would curtail any of that unless she really wanted to proceed with music as a career which I am not sure she will want to do. I would worry that she might fall behind with schoolwork and I think she does enough music as it is really.

In your case, if your dd is really keen and she is coping well with school generally, I would let her audition. You still have time to think through the practicalities of it since you don't yet know if she will get the part. Good luck to her.

Bonsoir Thu 22-Nov-12 10:32:14

I think that if your DD is generally on top of school work that you could let her do this in Y9 and have (a) tutor(s) to ensure she doesn't fall behind. However, I suspect that all other extra-curricular activities would go by the wayside.

ZZZenAgain Thu 22-Nov-12 10:33:36

do you think the Head would be supportive?

Bonsoir Thu 22-Nov-12 10:34:33

We've taken DSS2 out of school at the end of the year regularly to send him to England to learn English. It doesn't seem to have made any difference at all to his school work in France. He's clever and able and school lets him take time off because of that. School would not have allowed this if he had been struggling.

Woozley Thu 22-Nov-12 10:34:56

I would, yes, if it was a great opportunity for them.

CecilyP Thu 22-Nov-12 10:35:22

There are also legal restrictions on how many nights a child can actually perform on stage, so it may be less disruptive than you think.

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 10:41:11

DD has started her GCSE syllabus in science but that is all I think.
She is on top of her school work, but does put a lot of effort in already.

I think the head would be supportive, providing we paid our fees during any absences grin and kept up with all school work.

And yes, the other stuff would have to be put on hold - sport, choir etc.

mumnosbest Thu 22-Nov-12 10:44:29

Can you talk to her school? Would they be supportive? Discuss what she'll miss abd how she could keep up. Its a grwat opportunity.

mumnosbest Thu 22-Nov-12 10:44:48

*great

Blu Thu 22-Nov-12 11:00:08

Find out exactly what the rehearsal and performance schedule would be - there are strict rules about the amount of time children can be involved in shows. It may not be as much as you think. Then discuss it with the school.

I'd go for the audition, anyway!

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Thu 22-Nov-12 11:02:27

Yes I have and would - there is more to education than formal learning.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 22-Nov-12 11:14:31

DO IT

Regret what you have done, not what you have not
(Oscar Wilde)

CecilyP Thu 22-Nov-12 11:45:39

Yes, definitely do it - she will regret it if she doesn't. I'm feeling all stage-struck now.

mummytime Thu 22-Nov-12 12:20:27

My neighbour's son was a child actor (he demanded dancing lessons at 2 etc.), he had a great time. He still managed good GCSEs, although he had been filming until about a month before. He went to University and has a Masters. He now works in finance.

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 12:34:42

I'm really pleased with these responses. It's making me feel much less worried grin.

ZZZenAgain Thu 22-Nov-12 13:40:02

I would see it as an overall learning experience, she will laarn so much generally being in that atmosphere. Learning for life as opposed to learning for an exam I suppose. I have given it some more thought and I think it is quite an exceptional opportunity your dd has there, so yes, I would let her try for it.

go for it.

but wont tney provide some sort of educaton whilst she is there? isnt that the norm?

BeckAndCall Thu 22-Nov-12 13:45:06

Absolutely go for it. The theatre will provide a tutor and there will be several casts to allow for the maximum hours an under 16 can rehearse and perform.

Good luck!

Bonsoir Thu 22-Nov-12 13:46:22

As someone who doesn't see school as anything more than the state stealing my child from me for several hours a day in order to ensure she doesn't make too much progress (in the name of equality), I can only be supportive of any initiative that allows children to escape the reductiveness of school and live more life out there in the real world.

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 14:02:00

Oh dear, is it that bad bonsoir sad ?

I must admit that part of the reason I feel reluctant is that DD's school really is fab.

Bonsoir Thu 22-Nov-12 14:05:36

None of our children's schools are bad - it's just that progress is so painfully slow at school versus when the children do things outside school. It's startling to behold! School seems such a very inefficient concept...

weegiemum Thu 22-Nov-12 14:10:35

My ds (10) is a very talented runner. He does athletics in summer, cross country in winter. He's won national championships in both.

The deal is we take him to competitions, we get up at scary o'clock to train, we take him to training and local meets that he has to get through to go to nationals. In return, he goes to school, does all homework, catches up (within the week) if a meet means missing school.

School are supportive, but ds is very compliant and does his best.

He's also magically good on piano (distinctions in exams so far) and I'm worried what will happen when piano meets running!

Also worry about my 2 dds. They're also bright, happy, talented kids (dd1 in art, dd2 in running and music too) and I don't want them to feel left out.

picturesinthefirelight Thu 22-Nov-12 14:12:07

Dd has been in panto and a touring Musicsl but as both were short term and close to home she didn't require tutoring

Yes she missed done school but soon caught up

For the west end everything is monitored. You don't have to provide a tutor - the company will do it. Jo Hawes (Matilda & Charlie) Pippa Ailion (Billy Elliot) and Jessica Ronane can't remember which she does are great and will give you loads if info if your child gets through to the end.

If its sn M25 only show then there will be a lot of work for you in terms of travel as they live at home. If its Charlie or title role of Matilda or Debbie in Billy then they board with chaperones.

Because they are tutored in small groups children font tend to get behind.

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 14:22:20

pictures thank you for all that information.

We have a flat in London where we spend part of the week anyway as DS goes to school there. DD can at least come home there rather than travelling back to our main home outside London.

DS will be largely unaffected.

bonsoir I think many home educators would agree with you wink. Tiem for school here in the UK? Or too young?

Startail Thu 22-Nov-12 14:23:18

Yes, part of Y9 is spent doing subjects you don't do for GCSE, PE, PHSE and RE which is pretty pointless at any age.

There are really good revision books and online resources now.

It's far easier to catch up now than when we were at school, go for it!

Bonsoir Thu 22-Nov-12 14:25:03

Oh gosh no, not more school!!! I might stop school altogether and take off around the world for a year or go and live on a Greek island or something!

education is not just school based.

picturesinthefirelight Thu 22-Nov-12 14:25:47

An at work posting on phone so had to be brief but www.notapushymum.com is a good website

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 14:26:31

star yes.

DD currently soends quite a lot of the school day doing art, cookery, design and music which she won't do for GCSE. She also does sport every day.

Now I'm not saying that these aren't great things. They certainly ensure she's challenged and well rounded, but on balance I think they could be sacrificed for am experience like this.

picturesinthefirelight Thu 22-Nov-12 14:26:56

A girl who used to go to dd's dance school is in Billy at the moment but she now goes to Sylvia young full time.

5madthings Thu 22-Nov-12 14:28:59

sounds like a fabulous opportunity, go for it smile

Bonsoir Thu 22-Nov-12 14:29:05

A friend of mine took her two DCs out of school in the French equivalents of Y5 and Y8 and went to live on a Greek island. Her son passed his bac with > 18/20 and is quadrilingual (French, German, English, Modern Greek) and is doing very academic studies. So it doesn't seem to have had a negative impact!

wordfactory Thu 22-Nov-12 15:16:22

Next thing I'm wondering is if DD would need an agent.

As a writer I wouldn't be without mine. Do actors need them too?

picturesinthefirelight Thu 22-Nov-12 18:44:31

For children 90% of theatre castings are open calls dealt with via specialist child casting directors like Jo Hawes.

You do need sn agent if you want to go for tv, film & commercials.

Dd has never had an agent as she's only interested in theatre.

losingtrust Thu 22-Nov-12 20:20:51

My dd who was in year 3 had a part in a play but only had four shows a week as kids mixed up. It was a great experience for her and one she will not forget. Did not impact on her studies and school really supportive as enrichment activity.did not count her time out as absence. Would do it again but only for a short time as I was required to chaperone and needed to get license plus time off work. It gives them a wonderful experience and her professionalism really impressed me plus the discipline invoked.

losingtrust Thu 22-Nov-12 20:21:30

My dd is with the stagecoach agency.

HullyEastergully Thu 22-Nov-12 20:25:06

god yes.

School work takes five mins if done one to one (with you/anyone) and there is so much more to education that the classroom.

losingtrust Thu 22-Nov-12 20:29:27

It's also good for their cv? What am interesting bit of work experience.

picturesinthefirelight Thu 22-Nov-12 21:37:33

Am considering Stagecoach agency next year but not sure.

I'm already a chaperone , I really enjoy it. The last thing dd did the company had a policy of where possible patents not chaperoning their own children so I did the older chorus.

mathanxiety Sat 24-Nov-12 19:40:03

Sounds like a potentially fabulous horizon-expanding experience.

What age? Ds1 took part in a professional production that involved missing school. He was one of 3 kids in the production and learned so much. The adult actors were wonderful with him and my little boy who started school almost too shy to speak happily spent about an hour on stage in front of 1300 people each night.

He did get VERY tired though, and very emotional when it finished. We don't live anywhere near London so don't have a lot of opportunities but I would let him do it again. He did audition for a touring west end show (got through to the final round but wasn't height matched) which would have finished a week before the eleven plus - I was sort of relieved he didn't get it knowing how tired he had been in his first show. i didn't let him audition for one which would have meant being away shortly before the 11 plus.

So if it isn't near exams I'd say go for it.

Oh parents weren't allowed to chaperone ds1's show. So I dropped and picked up. Some days he had two performances (fairly short performance so allowed). The chaperones were lovely.

LIZS Sat 24-Nov-12 20:10:52

I would up to year 9 but probably not beyond without very serious consideration and discussion with school. It is a huge commitment though, having come across several children doing similar, but need n't be too problematic educationally. We live relatively close to London and many shoes will only consider kids livng within M25 area. There would presumably be an extended period of rehearsals beforehand which in itself could be disruptive. She may only be booked to perform for 2 or 3 shows a week but need to be in the theatre as understudy at other times, so several late nights a week. After a few months licencing means that they have to stop for a period and may not be invited to return to the same show (perhaps having grown too tall) so she needs to enjoy it while she can.

FastLoris Tue 27-Nov-12 23:32:50

Look at it this way:

If she's not sure whether she would want to be a professional actress, then what better way to find out than to be in professional shows and meet the people actually doing it? Far better way of making an educated decision than most kids' experience of being a big fish in a small pond and thinking it's always going to be like that.

It will probably be all glitzy and exciting at first, but then she'll also see the amount of work involved, maybe talk to adults who have more balanced stories to tell, meet plenty of other kids who are better than her and see how hard it is. Then if that's what she wants to do, she at least knows what she's taking on.

Specialist music, dance and performing arts schools often get surprisingly goo academic grades. On the on hand the kids are spending a lot of time practising or performing, but on the other hand that might actually do a lot more for the brain than the usual combination of watching TV then begrudingly reading a textbook. Or maybe the kids just have to be pretty smart to perform at that level in the first place.

This is a no brainer. It's not like they learn much of any importance at school anyway.

fuzzpig Tue 27-Nov-12 23:51:37

Wow, sounds amazing!

I was offered similar - met the producer of a show and was asked to audition for the next group. I was over the moon. Parents had vetoed it by the time we got home. sad

Not even saying I would've got the part but it would've been amazing to try. Opportunities like that don't happen often. Education and exams are important, but they aren't everything.

Best of luck to your DD! smile

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