Essex 11+ 2012 - Anyone else doing it?

(213 Posts)
piggywigwig Thu 06-Sep-12 12:18:34

I was wondering if there's any other MN'ers on the countdown to the 22nd September?
How's everyone feeling? How's everyone's DC's feeling? Does anyone want a hand-holding session, support and even a rant?
I'd love to hear from fellow Essex parents smile

letseatgrandma Fri 07-Sep-12 22:21:56

Yes-my DS is! I am feeling every so slightly sick whenever I think about it!

Which school are you sitting for?

piggywigwig Sat 08-Sep-12 09:20:03

Hello letseatgrandma smile

DD is trying for CCHS (Col Girls') - how about you?
I feel really sick too, huge dirty great waves of it washing over me all day long lol!
DD isn't that nervous, thank goodness - how about your DS?
Is this your first time for the 11+ ?

letseatgrandma Sat 08-Sep-12 09:59:16


We're going for SHSB. DS doesn't seem too bothered (so far!) but I am starting to feel sick whenever I think about it!

Yes-it's my first time with the 11+ (since I went to SHSG, anyway!) and the thought of having to go through it several more times with younger siblings makes me feel quite wobbly! What about you?

piggywigwig Sat 08-Sep-12 11:59:12

This is my second and final time. I last did it more than 7 years ago and a good few more than that for my own 11+ grin I didn't go to an Essex GS but one in an entirely different part of England.
It's one of the more stressful periods of my life but we're all trying to keep that under wraps for the sake of DD's confidence lol!
Are lots of children in your DS' class sitting the 11+ too, or is he the only one? I reckon about 8 are sitting it in DD's state primary class.

letseatgrandma Sat 08-Sep-12 12:18:04

Definitely-I am stressing behind cupboard doors with my fist in my mouth!!

I think about half of DS's year (of 90) are sitting it-they had about twenty pass last year-mostly boys for some reason?

I shall be jolly glad when it's all over! Lucky you doing it for the last time!

piggywigwig Mon 10-Sep-12 08:23:09

Wow, that's a lot of people sitting that exam! There's only about 32 in total, in DD's class and I think they generally get about 3 passing per year - sometimes 4. It's usually a higher ratio of girls who pass in DD's school.

I've got mixed feelings about it being over - I'd certainly like the stress and pressure to be gone but the fabulous sense of achievement both DD and I have experienced over the last 4 months has been so rewarding. We've both said we'll miss the challenges and she's asked me to continue working with her after the exams are over smile It's been amazing to see her confidence grow and grow.

letseatgrandma Mon 10-Sep-12 09:43:15

Yes-we've definitely all learnt a lot together and even DD in Y4 is secure in common/abstract and collective nouns!!

I feel quite sick when I think about it and also a bit nervous about what to focus on with only two weeks (12 days!??) to go!! I shall be glad when it's over, but will probably just start all over again with DD1 (then DD2-argh!)

What's your alternative school like?

piggywigwig Mon 10-Sep-12 11:11:51

Our catchment school is a no-no, for so many reasons. If we're in the unfortunate position of choosing another school, if DD2 isn't one of the lucky 112, then we're going to really struggle sad The school DD1 ended up in was amazing but the chances of DD2 getting in are pretty minute, to say the least sad The next closest was in special measures for years and serious bullying was rife - there were also concerning teacher "issues". I'd rather home-school until something suitable came up but it wouldn't be a choice I'd take on lightly.

How about you?

I'm also in the dark as to what to focus on in these last few weeks. Every child is unique and my approach to the 11+ with DD2 has been totally different to DD1. We don't have a tutor, so have to go by our instincts and do tons of research on the range of approaches to the weeks running up to the 11+ I have to say it's making me panic a little but then I have to try to stay focused - outwardly, it's all confidence and assuredness but inwardly, I'm a little headless chicken, careering madly between piles of VR books - then English Comp - making up little maths test with areas she finds problematic, plus areas for "feel-good-factor, then running to the larder to get out the "healthy" snacks and getting her to bed early confused Aaarrrggghhh! lol!

At least they'll be confident in Maths and English for the remainder of KS2

letseatgrandma Mon 10-Sep-12 11:27:53

Lol-I feel the same about our local comp-it's changed its name three times since I've lived here to shake off a ropey repuation! I think we will have to look a bit further afield to some out of catchment comps. What do you think we will get on the results day-I wonder if it will just be a score and we will be none the wiser as to whether we've got in or not! The catchments have widened substantially for this year so knowing what previous successful applicants got won't be terribly useful.

We have no tutor here either (though I am a teacher) which is rather terrifying! I'm dreading the English paper this year (yes, I know I'm not actually taking it!) but the CSSE have had some real horrors in the past (Longitude and Latitude!?) and that could really cause panic!

piggywigwig Mon 10-Sep-12 12:12:43

The English - arrggghhh! I still haven't seen "Longitude" but "Captain Corelli's Mandolin" was bad enough and we did "Tess" yesterday....hmmmm, what can I say? I gather "Tess" was another one that went down in the annals of history, as far as Essex English is concerned grin I too dread the English - wish I could do it for her.

On results day, we allegedly get both raw and standardised scores, plus something which gives us an indication as to whether they've passed or not, based on the last few years' results. I feel the same way that you do, as to the usefulness of the previous years' results - I'm not sure how the Chelmsford schools' imposition of a catchment area will effect numbers etc and pass marks confused I'm trying to remain optimistic that we'll get a pretty good idea but I'm a real "Doubting Thomas" grin

Having to sail your ship alone, without a tutor, is a lonely old business, isn't it, fraught with more than the usual doubts that an 11+ parent has? It's all about choices and I suppose we have to face the good and the bad. I know I couldn't trust a tutor and if things go awry, then I can change tack really quickly and the responsibility rests with me. However, it would be nice to have an outsider tell you that your child and the work you do together, is on-track and that you don't need to have so many self-doubts.

Looks like for our two DC's, it's an out-of-catchment school as the best "Plan B" . I truly wish it wasn't like that.

letseatgrandma Mon 10-Sep-12 13:41:04

Actually-the Bleak House one was a bit horrible as well!!

It's definitely a lonely business though, especially when the other parents look at you sympathetically when you say that you haven't got a tutor!!

Good luck-will have to 'speak' again over the next two weeks as the nerves begin to set in (or augment-oooh, the vocabulary is everywhere!!)


breward Sat 15-Sep-12 11:30:17

My DS is sitting the test at KEGS next Saturday. We had our last DIY session this morning and tackled Captain Cor English paper. He found Bleak House near impossible to read however scored slightly higher a few weeks back. I'll be glad when it's all over.

I have mixed thoughts about the catchment changes. The Southend extension includes many areas such as Wakering that have very few houses and the change came in quite late (March, I think) so many children may not have had the time to get up to speed if they decided late on to take it. Still there are 50 places to o/c children guaranteed. Most years only 60 i/c children get places and 90 o/c places are awarded. I think this will change to 80 i/c and 70 o/c.

The Kegs changes will mean the last child entry mark will be slightly lower. This year 348, last year 342 so I think next years (or October's mark) I predict will be about 336. Also the children between 348 and 336 would have probably appiled and got into the Southend schools in previous years, they will now get into KEGS, so the last entry o/c mark fot the Southend schools will probably not change a great deal.

This is all guesswork and me 'thinking aloud'... and being an optimist!! What are other's thoughts?

letseatgrandma Sat 15-Sep-12 21:18:44

The changes in the Southend catchment will include lots of heavily populated areas as well though; Canvey, Rochford, Hockley and Rayleigh to name a few. These changes were announced right at the beginning of February so I think that did give a reasonable amount of time to get children on course to take the exam.

DH went to the CSSE meeting at SHSB which suggested that the previous catchment wasn't filling anywhere near the required numbers so they were doing this and felt it would have NO impact on the previous pass mark of 303. The Head of our school disagreed strongly though and said that it might be that you get 310+ this year and still don't pass or get a place. In previous years, it has been the case that in catchment (old catchment, obviously!) you could get about 55% and pass, but ooc-needed more like 65%. We shall have to wait and see if that changes...!

What changes have KEGS introduced this year?

ByTheSea Sat 15-Sep-12 21:22:32

DD2 is sitting it. I am a quite nervous, more because DD1 is already at ColCHS and I don't want DD2 to feel inferior in any way. She is a bit nervous. Our catchment secondary isn't very good, we've been trying to move for ages but the house isn't selling. Arrggghhh, can't wait until it's over.

breward Sun 16-Sep-12 17:07:53

Kegs have introduced a 12.5 mile (radius from the school) catchment area. Last year 63% of the 112 students came from out of this catchment area (mostly the London boroughs). This year 80% of places go to ic students so should increase the number of local places from about 40 to 90. 22 places will be available to the highest scoring oc children.

Hockley and Rayleigh have great comp options. Has the desperation for GS places swept that area yet?! I'm always amazed that the old catchment did not fill up the places. There are some big primary schools in that area and all the Southend private schools were also i/c.

minxthemanx Sun 16-Sep-12 20:22:33

Hello another stressed Mum here. Have tutored my DS1 (big mistake - have loads of patience with other people's kids when I tutor and teach, but soooo different with your own!) There have been tears, blood, slamming doors......

Taking it at Colchester Grammar next Saturday. Can't wait for the bloody thing to be over. I can't believe how difficult and competitive it is - and as we can't afford independent school, grammar is our only alternative to the local, not great, comp. sad

Good luck to all your DCs next Sat, and let's join each other in bloody large glass of wine in the evening.

minxthemanx Mon 17-Sep-12 09:30:51

piggywig, that's interesting to hear what information we get on results day - having never been through this process I'm in the dark. Presumably we still won't know whether they have a place at Grammar until March, still, when the school places are sent out? But will have an idea from their results whether they stand much of a chance?

So, if I'm right, we still have to wait until March to know whether they have 'made' it into a grammar?

loopsngeorge Mon 17-Sep-12 21:52:48

Hi, my DS is only in year 4 so luckily we are a couple of years away from the stress of the Essex 11+!
I just wondered if I could ask those of you who are tutoring yourself for some guidance as to how you're going about it. Is it a case of going through the Bond etc. exercise books with your DCs or would you recommend any books to read on home tutoring? I did the 11+ myself, went to a very academic school and don't work so I feel I should be able to tutor DS rather than pay someone else to do it, but at the same time it's a pretty daunting prospect!

piggywigwig Tue 18-Sep-12 09:26:23

The initial results we get, some three weeks after the test, are supposed to give us a guide as to whether it's likely our children will get a place, come 1st March 2013. If they get a high standardised score, then it can be fairly clear but when numbers get lower down, then you're no better off than you were in previous years, with a 2 month longer wait sad. It seems from the 11+ forum, that for girl wanting a place at Colchester, anything above 345 will give you a fairly good idea. A score of 349.9 on the 2011 test, gave a ranking of around 70 out of 530 girls for Colchester High, on results day 2012.
Being given last year's or even the last few years marks for entry/non-entry may or may not help as there's some changes this year. No-one knows how, or even if the Chelmsford catchment area will effect the results, some feel that more children will now go for Colchester, whereas before, they could go for both Chelmsford and Colchester. Some feel that more parents may be willing to enter their DC's for the test this year, as there's no longer so much of a gamble and the potential to waste valuable places when you submit the CAF. Then there's the fact that the test was brought forward by 2 months, at fairly short notice - whilst everyone's in the same boat, will it effect the results? Who knows?

TwiggysGoneOnHolidayByMistake Tue 18-Sep-12 12:43:29

A complete newbie here but when do you take the 11+? Is it when they are at the very start of Y6? DD has just started Y5 so we wouldn't have to register for the test, or do anything about it, until next August/September, is that right?

letseatgrandma Tue 18-Sep-12 13:27:13

In Essex-they now take it three weeks into Y6 (in September) and you have to register for the test at the end of Y5.

It varies in different areas though.

TwiggysGoneOnHolidayByMistake Tue 18-Sep-12 14:32:28

Thanks! We've got a year to decide whether to go for it then smile We are in Essex too... does anyone know whether Colchester CHS is a super-selective?

ByTheSea Tue 18-Sep-12 20:50:41

ColCHS is a superselective. They admit 112 girls from the highest scores.

breward Fri 21-Sep-12 20:24:18

Good luck to all those sitting 11plus tomorrow.

breward Sun 23-Sep-12 12:51:24

How was it for your DC? (Please do not mention content of papers as Late sitters will get an advantage).

DS said the English was OK, Maths hard and VR hard. VR is his strongest paper and he managed to complete the paper. DC1 did 11plus last year and announced that they had missed out 9 VR questions as they ran out of time. My heart sank and for the next 3 months was waiting for a below par result. However come March 1st they had passed with flying colours and have just started at GS in Chelmsford. So do not panic if your child failed to complete a paper or is worried that one paper was harder than expected.

piggywigwig Sun 23-Sep-12 17:24:42

DD's ranked them in order of difficulty with 1 being the one she had least trouble with, 1st

2. English
3. Maths

ByTheSea Sun 23-Sep-12 17:40:06

Hope all the children did well and phew, glad it's over!

ByTheSea Sun 23-Sep-12 17:40:44

DD found it all harder than the practices and was very tired at the end. She did complete it all though.

letseatgrandma Sun 23-Sep-12 21:37:28

DS found the VR and Maths fine, but said the English was tricky-especially some of the vocabulary.

It always worries me when I hear other people found different things hard as it makes me wonder if DS didn't appreciate the 'hardness' of it?!!

Does anyone know when we should expect to get the email from the CSSE? Midnight on the Sunday/Monday? Or 7am? 9am?!

letseatgrandma Sun 23-Sep-12 21:38:48

He did say the VR was time consuming though-he didn't get one question done (and had no time to check through) which he always has been able to in mocks.

piggywigwig Mon 24-Sep-12 08:17:51

Try not to let it worry you, if DP's report their DC's experiences that are different to your DS'. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses - even those who are strong on English, may find an English paper hard as they may not be able to "tap into" the style/format of the text and get in the groove. smile

Also, you get the factor of the variation in levels, intensity and frequency of practice, technique and tutoring. So many imponderables wink

I'm not sure when we get the results either confused

MrsBartlet Mon 24-Sep-12 10:24:03

I agree piggywigwig. Letseatgrandma, you should just ignore whatever you hear about others' experiences. I have been through the Essex 11+ with both my dc. DD found it terrible. She was crying afterwards saying that she had done badly (she hadn't) and DS thought it was fine. Like you, I worried that he just hadn't understood the complexity of the questions. Both were successful. It is a stressful experience for them and I think children just interpret that in different ways.

Good luck for the 15th - at least you don't have to wait until March like we did!

letseatgrandma Mon 24-Sep-12 13:20:08

Thank you both! I'm glad it's all over, but I can't help but hear things others are saying about the test and wondering why DS is saying different things! He was consistently doing well in mocks/practise papers (85%+) and we're not going for a super selective, but still...!

I just hope the score we get on the day will be useful! It could be that we get a mark and a comment saying 'you may be successful' and then still have to wait until March before we know anything more!

MrsBartlet Mon 24-Sep-12 14:17:46

Yes, you are right that there is no knowing whether it will be useful or not to have your ds's score in October - you may still have to play the waiting game.

However, if your ds has been getting 85%+ that sounds very hopeful - fingers-crossed for you!

breward Mon 24-Sep-12 19:01:36

Emails are sent at 'Close of business' on the 15th, so after 5pm results should be in your inbox.

piggywigwig Thu 27-Sep-12 13:25:03

How's everyone feeling? How are your DC's?

letseatgrandma Fri 28-Sep-12 20:15:16

5pm!? I suspect that will be a long day!

I am feeling fine, but just want to get it over and done with now. We've been to visit some local secondary schools this week and I am trying to sell them to DS (and myself!) but I just want to KNOW something! I still reckon the results will be crap though ;) My SIL (who has a child sitting the test) told me that at least we'll get to know if they've passed or failed on the 15th, but I'm sure the head of DS's school said we wouldn't and would just get a score and some advice?!

DS is fine-appears to have completely forgotten about it and said it was fine.

How about you piggywigwig?

piggywigwig Sun 30-Sep-12 13:36:54

DD has drawn a line underneath it all and moved on, lol! I don't think results' day is even on her radar, thank goodness and we certainly haven't spoken about it. The worry and stress is now all for the grown-ups grin

I'm not sure that 15th will bring us to any conclusions, either - far too many new factors in the mix, this year, that could have an effect. Ideally, I'd need to see a score about a certain point, to feel even the teensiest bit confident and I suspect that the reality for most of us, will be uncertainty and a longer wait for 1st March than in previous years.

The last week has been the s-l-o-w-e-s-t I've known for a while...I have no doubt the next two will be equally as long. It's terrible to wish your life away...sadbut I know we all need to draw a line under it all and move on. The waves of nausea are terrible and I can't wait for a good night's sleep wink....on the evening of 1st March 2013 grin

CouthyMowWearingOrange Wed 03-Oct-12 08:08:53

DS1 couldn't sit on the 22nd, as he had a respiratory infection. That then developed into a streptococcal throat infection. He sat on the 1st at CRGS, but he is still ill with the strep, still not back at school (been off since 21st September (!) never been ill for this long.

We are worried that he will have dropped marks through ill health. If he gets in, it will be nothing short of a miracle, despite how clever he is. sad

He is working on lvl 6/7 work in Maths at school, yet says the Maths paper was the hardest of the three.

Just keeping our fingers crossed till the 15th.

CouthyMowWearingOrange Wed 03-Oct-12 08:16:19

Piggywigwig - that's exactly how DS1 rated the papers for difficulty! He found the Maths paper the hardest, the English OK but harder than his mocks, and the VR he said was easy.

It's the English he has always had issues with in practice, the Maths he usually finds simple.

letseatgrandma Fri 05-Oct-12 20:20:39

Oh no Couthymow-that sounds stressful and what a time for your DS to be ill sad Are you going for the one of the Essex super selectives-I can't remember if we've 'spoken' before?

Only 10 days to go until we get some sort of result...

CouthyMowWearingOrange Fri 05-Oct-12 23:05:30

Yep, CRGS is the only viable Grammar option for us. KEGS is too far away, and because of the new catchment he wouldn't get in anyway.

Ten more days...<<bites nails. Realises nails are gone and have chewed fingers down to the knuckles.>>

letseatgrandma Sun 07-Oct-12 13:34:14

Eight days now-have no more nails left either!

It's getting a bit stressful now. I was pretty confident when he came out-he was happy and thought it went well, but as the days have gone on-I'm losing my nerve.

Our local alternative is so awful as well that if he doesn't pass, it's either that or a very long bus rise with a very early start sad

IainC Mon 08-Oct-12 10:15:38

Just in case you didn't know....

The Colchester and Chelmsford GSs will be holding a meeting for "promising candidates" at each school about applying. These will be held once the GSs have had time to digest the full set of candidate results.

The meeting is "invite only" (quote CSSE) and I guess if you get one you know that you have a fighting chance of getting in and if you don't, you don't. Harsh but there you have it.

The results that come out on Monday 15th will have the raw scores, the standardised scores and a graph showing the cut-off standardised scores for each school over the last 4 years.

letseatgrandma Mon 08-Oct-12 12:51:56

That's interesting, Iain. Do you know if the Southend schools will be doing similar things?

CouthyMowWearingOrange Mon 08-Oct-12 13:14:18

Thing is, the results and cut offs for the last 4 years aren't going to be much help for CRGS applicants due to the new catchment for Chelmsford.

Especially if your DS is borderline.

I am getting really nervous, due to DS1 still being ill for the alternate sitting, I think we will end up having to appeal on the basis of his illness. He only went back to school today!

I have spent half the morning reading the elevenplus forum.

Just really worried.

letseatgrandma Mon 08-Oct-12 14:43:55

Thing is, the results and cut offs for the last 4 years aren't going to be much help for CRGS applicants due to the new catchment for Chelmsford. Especially if your DS is borderline.

This is exactly the same situation in Southend where they have (this year) extended the catchment hugely. I feel sick whenever I think about it. I'm pretty sure DS would have got in prior to the priority catchment being changed, but now I just don't know.

Our catchment school is really not good which doesn't help my state of panic-this is going to seem like a very long week sad

IainC Mon 08-Oct-12 16:05:29

@letseatgrandma - I am not sure what the Southend schools are doing I'm afraid.

I think the catchment issues may even out a bit.....

... As Chelmsford has historically been the hardest to get into and generally considered the most accessible from all areas the effective easing of entrance criteria for locals by the introduction of a catchment area may mean DCs that in previous years may have had to look elsewhere can now stay local, whilst other higher scoring DCs may have to look elsewhere rather than Chelmsford when previously they would have got in...

All conjecture of course... will have to see what is said at the Promising candidate meetings.... hoping and praying that DD1 gets an invite.

Borderline cases, I agree, will be a complete nightmare.

breward Sat 13-Oct-12 17:36:26

2 days to go until results. How are everyone's nerves holding out?

letseatgrandma Sat 13-Oct-12 18:50:45

Nerves are rising here!

What time do we all obsessively start checking our emails in Monday? Actually, I checked mine this morning just in case the CSSE had a blip and decided to send them out early ;)

CouthyMowWearingOrange Sat 13-Oct-12 20:04:40

The emails START coming out at 4pm, according to the CSSE.

I have no nails left. I am now chewing the bloody stumps of my fingers. hmm

I am about 1000 times more nervous than DS1. I guess it helps that he knows that our catchment Secondary is a fairly good school that actually actively wants him to go there!

ByTheSea Sun 14-Oct-12 19:03:35

DD2 is pretty relaxed. DH and I are a bit nervous. Understatement.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 01:48:35

I can't sleeeeeep! Waiting until after 4pm is going to be murder.

I have fathomed through some digging that the last standardised score that got into CRGS in 2011 was between 333.782 (Offered), and 331.513 (Not offered, but may have got in on waiting list, can't ascertain that one). There was also one boy admitted on appeal.

In 2012, 341.285 was the last place offered initially, and 338.84 got in on appeal. There was also a successful appeal for this year too.

I am assuming that I am hoping for a standardised score of at least 335 to be in with a chance, given the catchment changes at KEGS.

Good luck to all tomorrow.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 01:49:30

Balls. In 2012, the 338.84 got in from the WAITING LIST, not from appeal.

MrsBartlet Mon 15-Oct-12 10:10:03

Good luck to everyone waiting to hear from the CSSE today!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 11:00:17

Yes, good luck. Will we all be lurking here from 4pm onwards?

letseatgrandma Mon 15-Oct-12 11:39:44

I cannot concentrate on anything-this is ridiculous!

I also keep checking my email on the off chance that they send them early!

Please please please let these results be useful! The King John results that came out on Saturday were utterly pointless-please let these be more use than those!!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 13:35:26

I am trying to keep my email inbox empty, so I know when it comes in, but idiots keep sending me texts I don't want.

Messages from fb, sale emails from shops, even a PPI email.

Can they all just DO ONE until tomorrow?!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 16:20:02

Just got an email, opened it...and it was from build a bloody bear workshop. Aaaaarrrrggghhh!

minxthemanx Mon 15-Oct-12 18:43:25

Hello, thought I'd join in - another Mum that's been waiting around all day for results. This is purgatory! I've just done the ironing and made a marble cake to keep myself busy ......... please, please send the blardy emails!!!

ByTheSea Mon 15-Oct-12 20:08:56

Still waiting for the email here... Arggghhh!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 20:35:36

I STILL haven't had the email. I'm getting worried too about some of the scores I've seen. It's a VERY high scoring year, especially for boys, I'm seeing scores well in excess of 370, and even quite a few over 390! shock

I don't think 333 is going to make it into CRGS this year, I think you are looking at over 355 tbh.

Whyyyyyyyyyyy won't my inbox ping????!!!!

minxthemanx Mon 15-Oct-12 20:40:24

I'm getting seriously pissed off with waiting. It's exhausting! Where have you seen these scores- this is my first experience with the 11+ so I have no idea what the scores etc mean. If they ever arrive!!!!!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 20:42:17

The elevenplus forum.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 20:42:54

We aren't the only people still waiting though, on the plus side. Lots still waiting.

letseatgrandma Mon 15-Oct-12 20:47:26

We got our email at about half five. DS got 357 which seems good enough to get into Southend Boys from within catchment.

Fingers crossed you get yours soon Couthymow. Is your email account Hotmail?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 20:53:29

Yes, but am having no problems getting 17 UTTERLY IRRELEVANT emails since 4.30pm on my iPhone, only a problem on the laptop.

And I just read on the forum that they might not finish sending them out until 10-ish this year!!

minxthemanx Mon 15-Oct-12 21:28:31

I really am going slightly insane. Doesn't help that I'm fighting a horrible bout of sinusitis, and just want to curl up in bed and sleep. This is so bloody irritating - why does it take so long!!!

iMum Mon 15-Oct-12 21:30:28

still waiting sad

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 22:01:28

Still waiting here. Some people on the elevenplus forum have posted about receiving their email at around 6.30 is but that the email says it was sent at 4.42!

I think that there is a massive delay in the emails actually getting through - they're floating somewhere in t'interweb!!

Doesn't help US though. I am now such a ball of nerves that I feel sick.

I HAVE noticed a 20 minute - 1hr delay on times with my emails though, myself. I just received two (NOT IMPORTANT FFS) emails, at 9.53, one was sent at 8.45, one at 9.35.



letseatgrandma Mon 15-Oct-12 22:19:21

It's 10pm now-surely they have sent them all now!?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 22:27:43

They may have sent them all, but they certainly haven't all been received.


<<Mutters darkly about useless CSSE emailing system and wonders when she will receive email so that she can go to bloody bed...>>

couthy I really feel for you. Two years ago in kent, people weren't getting their emails until well after midnight. You could log in to the system to get results that way though if you registered online.

Is it a similar system in Essex? Sorry if you have done this already.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 22:44:37

No, there's no way to log into the system. Kent is done differently (have family in Kent), because there are far more Grammar schools, they are allocated through the LEA.

Hang on, mail box pinged. Will go check, hopefully it's not some inane tripe from fb...

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 22:47:11

Rrrraaaarrrgghh! Bloody fb. Bloody CSSE.

According to the elevenplus forum, there's been no received emails in the last two hours! There's speculation that the CSSE server has crashed.

I bloody hope not, if I can't tell DS his scores before he goes to school, all he will be hearing is the scores of the other 5 that sat the test, when he hasn't even received his results! [boggley eye emoticon]

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Mon 15-Oct-12 23:22:45

Still nothing. I have chewed my ARMS down to my elbows now. I'm flicking between refreshing my email inbox, brief MN'ing when the stress gets too much, and skulking on the elevenplus forum.

Can you have half a bottle of wine and try to sleep? I can't see them coming through now can you?
I can't imagine how stressed you are, I was lucky with my two in Kent as they came through quite early, I was still a gibbering wreck.
I hope you get some sleep tonight and a good result tomorrow.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 00:13:26

I don't think much sleep will be had tonight. We are in a fix, and need to know whether to give up on the Grammar completely if he didn't score highly enough, through illness, or if I will need to start building an appeal just in case, or if he has scored highly enough to get in.

All complicated by the fact that if he starts school at 8.45, we may well find that the other 5 in his class have all had their results, and he could be the only one that doesn't know.

And the CSSE office doesn't open until 9am, so he will already be at school when I find out, if I find out on the phone. So he won't know until 3pm, if that is how this plays out.


CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 01:21:26

Sod this for a game of soldiers. I'm going to bed. Still no email, will be ringing on the dot of 9am along with half of Essex.

Will post when I find out. hmm

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 06:31:46

what a stupid system! 6.20am, still no results.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 07:24:35

7.24 here and still no results. Someone on the elevenplus forum got theirs at 2.25am though.

iMum Tue 16-Oct-12 12:27:21

I phoned up in the end-he didn't pass sad

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 13:47:47

Just got the results - 337.171. That score has got in either from allocations on 1st March, or the waiting list, in all of the last 4 years.

Extremely proud of my DS1, he was very very ill when he sat the test, and his painkillers wore off just as he started the VR.

If he doesn't get in, we will appeal, but he has been invited to the CRGS open day, so we are over the moon.

Not bad for a boy who was ill on the day, sat the alternate test while still ill, from a Lone Parent family, with no tutoring, and on Free School Meals!!

Can't wait to tell him after school how well he did. grin

I'm sorry your DC didn't get in, iMum.

iMum Tue 16-Oct-12 13:55:47

Ah its no bad thing-im know hell thrive wherever. Congrats for you too x

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 14:07:03

Were you hoping for CRGS, KEGS or one of the Southend schools? Did he miss by much?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 14:08:48

Don't forget that if you were hoping for KEGS, and you are in catchment, 80% of the places will now go to IN catchment pupils, which will probably lower the mark needed for IN catchment applications.

ByTheSea Tue 16-Oct-12 15:48:02

I'm beyond annoyed. Cannot get through to CSSE and primary school has received results, but they're addressed personally to the headteacher who did not open the envelope and is out of the office. I also emailed CSSE asking them to resend the email --- nothing. sad

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 17:39:57

I finally got the email at 4.34pm - after the CSSE had closed for the day. So all is not lost, and there have been others since whose emails have turned up.

It seems to be a trickle rather than a flood, mind you.

But someone got theirs after 2am this morning - so you may hear through tonight.

The CSSE has resent all the emails so fingers crossed that you hear soon.

wine in the meantime!!

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 17:52:04

I am livid that our school received results in the post this morning, while we parents still hadn't received anything. (I only found out after school, so our Deputy Head kindly showed us our marks.)

DS didn't do very well. Am very sad as he was scoring 85-90% in tests. Didn't go well on the day, but am disappointed for him. All the kids from our school have fared the same, nobody has high enough standardised score for Chelmsford or Colchester schools. What a nightmare.

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 18:21:19

I know this is a naff question, but do we ever get to see their papers? We are in disbelief at the scores our DS got - 85%in every practice paper, less than 50% in the exam. (VR) Am staggered. Same for maths - top mathematician in our Year 6 doing Level 6 extension maths in class, scored 19 out of 40 in exam. Something has gone very wrong somewhere........ I am so disappointed for them, and just don't understand how they scored so low. Can we ask to see the papers? Remark?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 18:33:40

They do tend to drop 10-15% in the exam. Our primary told us to expect that. It seems to have been borne out by my DS1's percentages, though he dropped slightly more because he was still so bloody ill.

He got 48% on the English, he usually gets around 68-70%.

He got 72.5% in Maths, he usually gets 90-93%.

He got 73.75% in VR, he usually gets 85%-ish.

So all things being well, a 10-15% drop sounds about right to me, it's just all things weren't well with DS1.

DS1 sat the alternate sitting on 1st October. He was off school ill from 21st September to 10th October with erythromycin resistant strep throat!

So he dropped more marks than he should have.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 18:46:11

They don't let you see the papers, but I think you can ask for a remark. Usually they only do it for those that have missed out by just a few marks, though.

DS1 did say that the VR was MUCH harder than the previous papers he has done. And that the English was REALLY hard. He found the Maths OK, and was surprised he hadn't scored higher, as Maths is usually his best subject.

He is working at a secure lvl 6, and doing some lvl 7 work now - and STILL only got 29/40!

ByTheSea Tue 16-Oct-12 18:57:45

Finally got DDs. Very disappointing and unlikely to gain a place at ColCHS. She dropped about 30-40% from her practices. Oh well.

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 19:52:20

Thanks for your replies. Do I assume that their is absolutely NO point in putting CRGS as our first choice on application - DS's standardised score was 281. Does this mean that he has no chance whatsoever of CRGS, or does the new catchment at KEGS means more high scorers from our area will get in there, possibly freeing up a feew more places? Be as blunt as you like, I'm thoroughly disillusioned. Major problems with secondary school choices now!

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 19:57:41

and i know it should say there not their, too tired and disillusioned to type properly..........

laluna Tue 16-Oct-12 19:59:32

What a nightmare the whole thing has been! The email fiasco
has been just shocking. I got DD's results from school in the end - then the email came at half four. DD is placed in the yellow zone for colchs - our only option. I have no idea of her chances of securing a place which makes an even greater mockery of the whole thing. The csse should be ashamed.

I think we have nothing to lose by putting our selective choices first.

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 20:15:43

laluna I couldn't agree more. I could have coped better with the disappointing results if i hadn't spent the last 24 hours on a knife edge/not sleeping due to frigging emails that don't come through. Can I ask you what your DD standardised score was to put her in yellow zone? I'm new to all this, and am finding it hideous.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 20:26:28

Ah. I am not 100% certain that I won't have to appeal for CRGS on the basis of DS1's 337.171 score. Even that is more like waiting list territory, or the last two spaces for CRGS.

Basically I am hazarding a guess that my DS1's mark is roughly where the cut off has been for the last few years.

Having seen just HOW high some of the scores have been this year, I'm not at all confident that DS1 will get CRGS offered on 1st March - I think it is far more likely that he will either get in from the waiting list, which could mean waiting as late as mid-end AUGUST to be told he has a place (gulp), or possibly through appealing.

If DS1 doesn't get a place on 1st March, I WILL be appealing.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 20:30:04

I have it on reasonably good authority that approximately an extra 20-ish places will be available at CRGS from pupils that will now apply to KEGS.

Thing is, there seems to be quite a few who have got standardised results in the 390's shock, which is virtually unheard of, and will almost definitely push up the final mark admitted.

I personally think the old system was better, at least you got a ranking place for each school. This just leaves us all stabbing in the bleeding dark tbh!!

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 20:30:57

Thanks Couthy, for not laughing hysterically and being kind. I'm just so unsure what to do - our catchment comp is least desirable in the area, the 2 schools I really like are out of our catchment and over-subscribed. The whole thing is a frigging nightmare.

minxthemanx Tue 16-Oct-12 20:32:12

and thanks for mentioning the ranking - I thought that was what we were told? Where they ranked out of 500 or whatever? But haven;t seen that anywhere.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 20:47:14

I mean, if DS1 was ranked 150th for CRGS, at least I'd KNOW that he wouldn't get in from the waiting list.

Without a ranking, what I can see from the frankly useless table from the CSSE is that the lowest mark admitted to CRGS in the last 4 years was 333, the lowest mark that has got in EVERY year in the last 4 is 343 and the 'safe' mark is 353.

DS1's mark is slap bang in the middle between the lowest mark admitted in the last 4 years, and the mark that has got in (in the end) every year in the last 4 years.

So in some years, DS1 would have got in, either in allocations day or from the waiting list, and in others he wouldn't.

About as borderline as you can be...confused

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 20:53:59

They can't give us a ranking now, because they don't know what schools people are applying to.

I think, as before, we will get a ranking on allocations day, which will give us more of a clue whether we will get through from the waiting lists or not.

Thing is, if someone applies to both CRGS and KEGS, it will depend on their scores where they rank for each school.

So an overall ranking would be of little use, if it was out of the 5000 people that took the test, or out of 3000 girls, or 2000 boys, because you could be ranked 300th boy, and still get into CRGS because some of those 300 will be wanting KEGS, some SHSB, some WHSB.

So the ranking will come out on allocations day, IF you have put a Grammar as your first (or first and second) choice.

It's why I said that I think it worked better the way they used to do it!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 20:56:14

Laluna. Let me peruse the girls bit on the chart and I'll get back to you.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Tue 16-Oct-12 21:14:06

Laluna - if your DD's score is 330+, then go for it - that score has been admitted in ALL of the past 4 years. And you would be in a better position than I am, and I'm definitely applying.

And I would still apply even if your score is 327/328/329 - that's such a small 'spread' between the lowest mark admitted at all, and the mark that has got in EVERY year, that it is negligible, and anyone over about 322 should put it on their CAF form as their first choice.

If you are in the yellow zone, then given that the Chelmsford catchment will free up extra spaces, I'd say your DD is a safe bet for a place on 1st March.

Unlike DS1, who may have to do purgatory on the waiting list.

I guess I'll be buying uniform very late then...

laluna Tue 16-Oct-12 22:50:39


Her score was 334.312.

I have an appointment at the enquiry evening although not sure what they can tell me. Amazed at how how some of the scores have been.

I am wondering now how Essex CC will allocate the places for March. There must be a ranking list somewhere - not necessarily school unique but how else can they allocate??

Couthy, I know how well your DS has done considering he was so poorly. The whole thing is such a misrepresentation. Never again. I am so delighted that DS (age 6) has decided that he doesn't fancy the school where they have purple coats! Thank God! We are lucky to have two fab comprehensives locally.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 17-Oct-12 02:05:59

I am lucky that my closest Secondary is 'G', (you will know if you are Colchester), and he has a guaranteed place there with a sibling link to my DD who is currently in Y10 there.

However, having lurked over on the forum (waves to you both), particularly in the appeals section, there are very compelling reasons for me to take it to appeal.

One) his long illness.

Two) The issues I have documented on MN with his SM, and the fact that as of mid August, his contact with his dad that had been 45% of the year from age 2-10 has dropped to 6 hours every few weeks, which is understandably causing him emotional issues.

Three) that as CRGS takes 4 extra pupils in Y9, there is a precedent that the school can cope with an additional pupil. Y9, Y10 & Y11 have 100 pupils each, and due to successful appeals two years in a row, Y7 & Y8 are running at 97 each.

Four) I can prove his academic ability with a wealth of information.

Five) He is at a disadvantage as he is a Young Carer, as he is the only one in a household of 5 without a diagnosed disability, which obviously puts him under more strain than your average 10yo.

Six) The HT and the Deputy HT (who was also DS1's Y5 teacher) are offering their help should I need to appeal.

I'm going to whole hog, and starting to prepare an appeal now, so I have got it sorted over a longer time period, with the stress spread out a bit more!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 17-Oct-12 03:06:34

There are 599 Girls CSSE places, 542 Boys CSSE places, and 56 Co-ed CSSE places.

Which is complicated by the fact that the Southend scores have the minimum in catchment pass mark of 303, but also have out of catchment higher scores. The Westcliff schools say they will take everyone with a mark over 303. Chelmsford schools now have a catchment, which they didn't last year.

How on earth would they tell who wants where yet, especially as some will be able to apply for more than one selective school?

They can't do the rankings until they have all the CAF forms back.

If your DC was 1,000th out of the girls, you know you have no chance of getting a place at any Grammar, I guess, but a score of 588 wouldn't tell you how close you were for, say, CoCHS, because 500 of the people ahead of you might have picked one of the other 4 Girls schools, or one if the two Co-Eds.

See, just too complex to do blind, they need to know who wants what school first. No point ranking someone for WSHG if they aren't even going to apply there, as it will give a false ranking to those who would rank below them for WSHG.


Probably not, it's very waffly, I can't sleep. Bloody insomnia!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 17-Oct-12 03:08:47

Just had a thought. Most open evenings/days are being held on 23/24/25 Oct. they will sign you in. Then they will KNOW what schools people want as their first choice - if you can only go to one (deliberately done IMO), then they can surmise your first choice from that, and send you a ranking based on the scores that way.

Clever sods, the CSSE bods!

minxthemanx Wed 17-Oct-12 19:45:22

Does anyone know how many children sat the 11+ this year, for how many places in total? I'd be interested to know. And how many of them came from independent schools?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Thu 18-Oct-12 07:53:29

I think about 5,000 sat the test in all. No clue how many came from Private school, but would be very interested to find out!

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Thu 18-Oct-12 07:54:24

Places - 599 Girls places, 542 Boys places, 64 Co-ed places. Over 14 schools.

minxthemanx Thu 18-Oct-12 11:45:28

Thanks couthy.

happynappy Thu 18-Oct-12 13:19:31

Hello..My DD just got her 11+ results: choice is Colchester CHS, or Westcliff or Southend. We are in Redbridge, didn't quite manage OOC score needed for Chelsmford. Any MNs happy to share candid thoughts about difference between the schools? Travel is tricky but not impossible. Help? Please?

piggywigwig Thu 18-Oct-12 14:36:20

I've finally found the time to come back and post.
Heartfelt cyberhugs to all those parents and their children who are disappointed with their results. It's always hard to take it on the chin and paint on a smile, whether you're ten or 35+ sad The 11+ brings out so many emotions, from making the decision to go for it, through to the bitter end, when you're anxiously awaiting the results. This year has been made harder by the problems CSSE encountered, getting the information out to parents in the first place. For many, October 15th didn't help in terms of decision-making for CAF admissions. The confusion and certainty won't be resolved until March 1 2013 and for some, beyond that, as they wait nervously for the waiting lists to go down in their favour sad
One thing is certain; each and every one of those children who sat the Essex 11+ is an absolute hero. It takes courage that goes above and beyond what anyone should or could expect of a 10 year old smile No-one can ever take that away from them and they should be proud of their achievement. One day...and perhaps not until they have their own children, they'll realise that what they did on 22nd September 2012, was truly amazing!

For those who achieved whatever results or scores that they needed, here a big "well-done" smile

To all the parents; you've lived through a very stressful period - give yourselves a huge treat - goodness knows you deserve it...and then some! wink

minxthemanx Thu 18-Oct-12 20:00:30

What a lovely post piggywig, and how very true.

letseatgrandma Thu 18-Oct-12 21:45:53

How did your DC do, Piggywigwig?


piggywigwig Fri 19-Oct-12 08:13:30

Congrats to your DC for getting a score in the green zone smile My DC managed a score in the green zone, too smile

letseatgrandma Mon 22-Oct-12 12:15:05

Fantasic news, piggywigwig-congratulations to you, too smile

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 11:47:46

HappyNappy - would the Southend & Westcliffe schools be easier to get to be bus? CoCHS is easy to get to with train & bus, but not necessarily from Redbridge due to the different train lines, would involve a change at Shenfield?

If the travel is an issue (thinking after school clubs and DC's helping at open days etc), then go for the easiest journey is my honest opinion.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 11:49:32

Well done to letseatgrandma's DC and piggywig's DC.

I'm hoping that the info about 20+ places freeing up from those in KEGS catchment will help those (like my DS) on the borderline that are applying for CRGS.

<<Fingers crossed for 1st March>>

breward Wed 24-Oct-12 19:35:48

Hi Cowthy,

My DS is borderline like yours for KEGS but will probably get into our second choice SHSB quite happily (Score 340). He only scored 16/50 for English which is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO low but very highly on maths and VR. Did you request a remark for all 3 papers or just VR? Did any go up... or down and how does the remark process work? Just wondering if they could not read his writing and, say, his mark went up by 1 or 2, it would make a huge difference to his KEGS chance. If it went down by 1 or 2 it would only go to 336 maybe so not jeapodising his chance at SHSB.

Just heard, only 170 boys made the 303 mark in the Southend priority area so at least 134 OCC places available... a lot better than the 55 many were predicting. Some of those 170 will go to KEGS or private so there should be over 140 places. Some clarity and good news!!

breward Wed 24-Oct-12 19:36:23

Would you risk the remark?

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 20:22:44

Had the remark, didn't change his score, but quite clearly proved the very moment at which his painkillers wore off, as he had absolutely full marks in the first 6 sections, 7 marks out of ? In the 7th section (the first 7 questions in that section), and then absolutely no marks from then on.

So utterly proves my case if I need to appeal. So it was well worth it.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 20:31:10

I only got his VR remarked, I didn't have major issues with the other papers (though maths should have been higher, it wasn't disastrously low).

I have it on reasonable authority that marks rarely if ever go down. Certainly the case for me - no upward change, but no downward change either.

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 20:36:52

Breward - in catchment or out? Makes a difference. If in catchment, 340 may well get in KEGS this year with that score, due to the 80/20 split.

My DS is borderline for CRGS rather than KEGS. KEGS is second choice, though we are OOC, If he doesn't get CRGS, I will appeal for both. By public transport from my house, the journeys are an equal length!

(Bus to CRGS is veeeeeeery slow in morning rush hour, short bus then train to KEGS takes the same time!!)

So if you have any reasons to appeal, put it on there anyway.

I agree 340 is unlikely for KEGS if OOC. Why Southend rather than CRGS? Journey time? 340 seems a pretty safe bet for CRGS this year...

CouthyMowEatingBraiiiiinz Wed 24-Oct-12 20:38:43

Tbh, I haven't heard of any remarks changing scores this year on English or Maths. It's only the machine read VR that seems to have had ONE mark added in ONE case I have heard of this year, due to sloppy erasing.

breward Thu 25-Oct-12 21:13:06

I have just read my post on page 1 on my 'optimistic' predictions for this year's 11 plus...

"I have mixed thoughts about the catchment changes. The Southend extension includes many areas such as Wakering that have very few houses and the change came in quite late (March, I think) so many children may not have had the time to get up to speed if they decided late on to take it. Still there are 50 places to o/c children guaranteed. Most years only 60 i/c children get places and 90 o/c places are awarded. I think this will change to 80 i/c and 70 o/c.

The Kegs changes will mean the last child entry mark will be slightly lower. This year 348, last year 342 so I think next years (or October's mark) I predict will be about 336. Also the children between 348 and 336 would have probably applied and got into the Southend schools in previous years, they will now get into KEGS, so the last entry o/c mark for the Southend schools will probably not change a great deal.

This is all guesswork and me 'thinking aloud'... and being an optimist!! What are other's thoughts?"

I don't think I'm far off. It looks like 85 i/c and 65 occ for Southend.

Went round SHSB today, what a fab school. I personally will be delighted if son goes there. DS still wants Kegs as its walking distance from home. we'll see what happens on 1/3/13... no leap year at least next year!

piggywigwig Fri 28-Dec-12 20:46:51

Well...63 sleeps to go until we find out....
How's everyone feeling about it all now?

laluna Mon 31-Dec-12 18:24:56

Hi all

Having moments of sleeplessness and anxiety attacks. Still trying to analyse the marks, read things into them and guess rankings etc! Generally feeling very despondent and not very hopeful but finding it really hard to accept that she prob won't get in when, like so many of our DCs, she worked hard and did really well. I strongly think she won't be offered on 1st March and we will have the whole waiting list stress. Never ever again (sorry DS aged 6 - mum just can't take it!)

breward Tue 01-Jan-13 20:37:49

Good to hear from you both again.

Still thinking daily about 1st March. Like Laluna we are in the yellow/orange zone for our first choice school (KEGS), but would be very happy with 2nd choice (SHSB). That's the best thing about this new system, you half know where your child is likely to go next Sept. We went through it last year with DD and it was a long old wait (nearly 4 months with no information apart from "I missed out 10 questions on the VR!") and a very long night on 1st March (esp being a leap year). This year I will not be stopping up til midnight, especially after the CSSE fiasco back in October when we checked emails for over 24 hours before getting the results. Just hope we get a definite place on 1st March and not '12th on the waiting list' which will leave us in limbo for many months (50th on the wl would be preferable!)

2 months and counting!

piggywigwig Wed 02-Jan-13 10:47:49

Hello laluna and breward

I don't like the waiting game either. The fiasco last October has definitely put me off waiting up until midnight, too. My "glass-half-full" approach says CSSE will have improved their system for sending out the results and my cynical head tells me not to waste my beauty sleep wink

It's true that you can sort of know where they're going in September but until I get that go-ahead I can't relax. At least in that respect, I suppose we're a little better off than many others in Essex, or England, for that matter.

I'm glad this is the last child I'll be doing this for.

laluna Wed 02-Jan-13 11:48:57

Hi Piggy!

I think if I were you, in the green zone, I would be really optimistic. Obviously my DD is in the yellow (fairly comfortably) which should make me mildly optimistic but I am gearing up for her not to get a place :-( I think the Chelmsford catchment situation makes it very unknown.

Piggy, am I right in thinking you are hoping for ColCHS? You never know, there is a slim chance that our girls will get to know each other!!

piggywigwig Sun 13-Jan-13 12:19:44

Hello Laluna

Thanks for the kind words and yes, we're hoping for ColCHS too.

I agree that the Chelmsford situation could throw lots of things into the mix this year - I'm trying so hard to stop myself from thinking about all the possible permutations.

I've looked back at last year's results on National Offers Day, on the Eleven Plus Exams website and I think you should definitely be optimistic with a score in the yellow zone. Girls with your DD's score got an offer last year on 1st March and I hope both our girls get to know each other smile You never know, they may already know each other.....lolwink only kidding!

BTW for anyone hoping for rankings, there won't be any this year, according to CSSE. You may well be able to find some information regarding your child's position if you're on a waiting list, or the marks of the last person to be offered a place, to give you some idea of viability.

breward Mon 14-Jan-13 18:01:35

I am so pleased there will be no rankings this year. After all a place is a place and rankings only give children an opportunity to brag in the playground and parents at the school gate. It tends to leave a sour taste and friendships suffer.

Once a child starts at the school, the child who came 188th is just as likely to do as well as the child who came 8th.

laluna Fri 18-Jan-13 22:22:36

Here, here! Excellent point.

piggywigwig Sat 19-Jan-13 15:09:45

I know one parent who is likely to be very peeved that she won't be able to get a ranking for her DC grin She was bad enough on the morning of the 16th, with her DC's results and was more than a tad insensitive to others' feelings.

laluna Sun 20-Jan-13 19:56:06

Mmmmm Piggy I know someone like that too......

breward Thu 31-Jan-13 20:19:54

Just heard that KEGS is upping its admission numbers from 112 to 120 this September. Really pleased as this helps the borderline children.

Couthymow, it means more places might become available at CRGS if some of these 8 children were destined to go there but now get places at KEGS. Fingers crossed for your son.

breward Sat 09-Feb-13 13:42:12

20 days to go...

In bed with a horrible virus. Feeling story for myself and still wondering how 1st march will pan out.

Just ordered 2012 papers from Csse as i'm now working with some children who will be sitting tests in September. It will be interesting to see just how hard the English was compared to previous years. My son came out saying it was easy only to get his lowest ever mark. That's why you take what they say after the exam with a pinch of salt.

Has anyone seen last year's papers yet?
How are you all coping on this final leg?

piggywigwig Sat 09-Feb-13 16:49:00

So sorry to hear you've got one of the yucky lurgies that seem to be doing the rounds at the moment. Hope you're soon feeling better smile

I haven't seen the papers that DD2 sat - probably won't as it's too tempting to ask her to look at them and I don't want to get into the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" brain-mode for either of us as that way, lies the path to extreme anxiety and confidence-knocking....for both of us wink

The last leg is an odd thing. So much has happened in real life, to change our focus, and our energies have had to be placed elsewhere. As a consequence, none of us (DD2 included) have really had too much spare time and emotional energy to think about 1st March. It's kind of gone off the radar.

piggywigwig Sat 23-Feb-13 14:43:07

How's everyone feeling?

breward Sun 24-Feb-13 09:27:39

A half term was well and truly needed to recharge the batteries after the virus I had lingered for three weeks. This meant I had to slow down and had plenty of time to think about 1st march!!

However, i've been having car problems so have had that to sort out and take my mind off next week.

Looking forward to child of our time tv programme coming back on Wednesday and Thursday evening. They are all now at secondary school... It will be interesting to see how many of them went through the dreaded 11 plus system.

I've now been through the system two years in a row with my own children and that's me done! However, I've tutored children for the exam for about 12 years. I'm currently working with two children for the September exams so I will be taking an interest in the system for a while yet, but without the major personal emotion of it all that putting your own children in for the exam brings.

Good luck to everyone this week, especially piggy, La Luna, cow thy.. I think we are the last four standing on here!

piggywigwig Sun 24-Feb-13 10:44:14

Lovely to see you breward and I'm so pleased to hear the virus is on its way out of your system smile

Hope you get the car problems sorted out quickly - they're fab when they're going okay but a total pain when they're giving you headaches, especially when they're headaches in the wallet-department sad

I don't have any more of my own to put through, either. If someone asked me for some help, then I'd probably consider doing it.

I echo the "good luck" to everyone reading and lurking. I think we are indeed the last four standing, although I'll lay odds on a significantly higher lurker-to-poster conversion rate, after midnight on 28th February wink grin

letseatgrandma Sun 24-Feb-13 10:56:38

We're waiting for March 1st as well-will it be an email at midnight, does anyone know? We're Southend rather than Essex.

I've bought the CSSE papers as well as I'm doing it all again with dd. I seem to have now got every paper since about 1998-poor girl!!

piggywigwig Sun 24-Feb-13 13:02:46

Hello letseatgrandma - I believe it's midnight - you can log in to your account at Essex County Council. Nothing to do with CSSE this time wink
I feel for you, having to do it again. Not quite sure if it's better, or harder, second-time around.

letseatgrandma Sun 24-Feb-13 15:50:22

*Hello letseatgrandma - I believe it's midnight - you can log in to your account at Essex County Council. Nothing to do with CSSE this time wink
I feel for you, having to do it again. Not quite sure if it's better, or harder, second-time around.*

I've got two more DD-I'm really not sure my nerves can do it once more, let alone twice!!

We are Essex rather than Southend so don't have anything to do with ECC really though? I wonder if there's a different system for us? We probably have to ring the CSSE on the stroke of midnight and have to wait in a queue to speak to someone ;)

piggywigwig Sun 24-Feb-13 16:48:57

Oh dear letseatgrandma, I'm not sure how you find out, then, if you didn't submit your CAF form to Essex confused Whoever you submitted to, should have the answer as to when you can expect to get your allocation notification.

I do feel for you having to do it more times, I lost so much weight and sleep with both DD'sblush With all the changes in the last 18 months, I'm not sure my nerves could stand the uncertainty.

letseatgrandma Sun 24-Feb-13 16:59:04

Grrr-maybe I'll email Southend and see what they say!!

Are you waiting for a result this week as well, Piggywigwig? I'm sure we've spoken about the 11+ before?

piggywigwig Sun 24-Feb-13 17:17:18

Yes, letseatgrandma, we spoke wayyyyyyy up the thread smile I'm waiting for a result for CoCHS smile

breward Sun 24-Feb-13 18:00:08

Hi Letseatgrandma, with Essex you log on to the ECC at midnight (if you are desperate to wait up... or can't sleep!) With Southend you wait for an email from SBC. Most are received about 8am so no need for a late night. Hopefully emails arrive before school or the agony is prolonged with DC's peers knowing their allocated school but not them.

Am I right in thinking these are the schools we are hoping for...
Letseat- SHSB
Laluna- ColCHS
Piggy- ColCHS

Good luck to all. Any lurkers, please feel free to add your Grammar school choice and we'll root for you too!

laluna Sun 24-Feb-13 18:47:59

Hi all!

We've had a good half term - still can't believe that the result of all the hard work over the last couple of years will be decided on Thursday night!! Just desperate to know now. Not the best of timing as I start my new job this week too! Eek! Not sure of how to break the news to DD. There are 4 hopefuls in her class and we are all good friends but DD's score is the lowest so if they all make it and we haven't heard, we will still be non the wiser.

Good luck to everyone - thanks for being here! Think its gonna be a long week but will no doubt chat on Friday.

MerryCouthyMows Sun 24-Feb-13 18:53:00

Hello! Starting to nail bite here! (Still in my Christmas NC, will change back this week lazy bint )

piggywigwig Sun 24-Feb-13 18:59:12

Yep, all lurkers are very welcome to come on and join us - the more the merrier smile Now is probably the best time, with National Offers' Day looming fast wink There'll be lots of support on this thread.

Breward, yes, I'm CoCHS smile

DD2 has told me today, that she wants me to wake her up as soon as I hear the news. I have a suspicion that she won't be going to sleep anyway wink It's an awful feeling when there's several in your class who are also gong for it - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for smile I know we'll both be in the CoCHS hall on the induction day wink

piggywigwig Sun 24-Feb-13 19:03:25

gong should be "going"

Trazzletoes Sun 24-Feb-13 19:09:34

Hi, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with me (other than that I went to a grammar in Essex) but just wanted to say good luck to all your DCs.

This thread just brings home to me what my parents must have been through 3 times! I never really thought about it before but their nerves must have been shredded!

I hope your DCs all get the places you/they are hoping for.

laluna Sun 24-Feb-13 21:18:49

Piggy, can't tell you how much I hope that will be true x

MerryCouthyMows Sun 24-Feb-13 21:21:15

Tbh, I've not had much time until today to think about it!

In the last 4/5 months, DS3 has been dxd with SN's on top of his life threatening allergies, we are just starting the statementing process for him before he starts preschool or nursery in September (if I can find one to take him...), DS2's physical disabilities have worsened, my arthritis has worsened, AND last week I was dxd with early stage cervical cancer. I start treatment on Tuesday.

I'm most worried about how I'm going to manage to compile a coherent appeal for DS1 if I need to, at the sane time as going through the statementing process for DS3, at the same time as doing DS3's DLA application, at the same time as trying to find DS3 a Nursery willing to take him, at the same time as DS2 is gaining consultant appointments like sweeties, at the same time as undergoing treatment for cancer...

It's going to be a busy few months if DS1 doesn't get in straight away!!

MerryCouthyMows Sun 24-Feb-13 21:24:15

It's good to hear about the extra places at KEGS, which may free up extra places at CRGS.

The only thing is, DS1 asked me to put KEGS first on the form, as a 'back up' option - is that pass mark of 336 for IN catchment?

MerryCouthyMows Sun 24-Feb-13 21:24:46

I'm going to brave the 11+ forum for the first time in months tonight or tomorrow, too.

justicewomen Sun 24-Feb-13 22:19:10

Hello, long time lurker here. Not sure if it is good news for Couthy.... but my DS is in the green zone for CRGS but has now decided he wants to go to Ipswich School (which has offered him a 50% scholarship).

I am somewhat torn. I also really liked CRGS, it's much higher up in the FT ratings and it would save about £4000 per year..... but it is an hour's travelling to CRGS whereas Ipswich School is a very short walk, and my son preferred it. Please don't tell me it's a bad idea!

So, one freed up GS place available for a deserving home!

MerryCouthyMows Sun 24-Feb-13 22:32:33

Good on your DS for getting a 50% scholarship to the Ipswich school!

justicewomen Sun 24-Feb-13 22:48:23

Thanks so much Couthy. I do hope your family's various health issues improve soon. You sound like an amazing mum!

MerryCouthyMows Mon 25-Feb-13 02:12:32

I don't feel like it! I feel like shit tbh. Just treating each day as a new day, getting up & getting on with it.

MerryCouthyMows Mon 25-Feb-13 12:28:03

Nerves are shredded. Aaaarrrggghhh!!

laluna Mon 25-Feb-13 16:18:56

Me too.

Feel sick sad

Someone somewhere knows and could put us out of our misery. Grrrr.

breward Thu 28-Feb-13 19:29:20

The wait is nearly over.
Keeping busy tonight being a taxi service. Planning to open email with ds at 6am tomorrow as either way it will be good news for us. Can't cope with a midnight wait, and not a wink of sleep because mind is buzzing with the news.

How are you all passing the time tonight?
Hands up who will be staying up til midnight!

piggywigwig Thu 28-Feb-13 20:31:46

I'll be staying up as I've got work to do...loads! Goodness knows what I'll be like tomorrow - it's going to be a tough day, work-wise and an incredibly early start sad Sleep is apparently for wimps wink

MerryCouthyMows Thu 28-Feb-13 23:56:31

<<wail>> I can't find the pad of paper I was using (6 months ago!!) where I jotted my ECC password down (I am half remembering that I couldn't use the one I easily remember because it was too short...)

And I have been told that the emails could take up to 18 hours to come through!!

<<Wails more>>

<<ransacks notepad drawer>>

piggywigwig Fri 01-Mar-13 00:07:21

Good luck to everyone - DD2 has a place at Colchester.
Come on guys - put me out of my misery and tell me how you all did!

laluna Fri 01-Mar-13 00:18:27

We'll be seeing ya too Piggy! She did it!!!! Many congrats to your DD.

MerryCouthyMows Fri 01-Mar-13 00:58:45

DS1 missed out on CRGS. But I've seen scores of boys accepted barely higher than his. So he may well be high on the waiting list. I won't be able to find out until NEXT Friday what his place on the waiting list is.

We will be appealing (have VERY good reasons why he under performed on the day, illness and family issues).

Realistically, if he isn't in the top 12 or so on the waiting list, then he has no hope of a place unless through appeal.

Could be kind of promising to be that high on the waiting list though...

[Nomansland emoticon]

So I still can't say with certainty where DS1 will be going in September.

He has a place offered at the local comp, but he could get into CRGS from the waiting list between now and September. Or he could get into CRGS if he won his appeal.


How very stressful!

laluna Fri 01-Mar-13 01:05:46

Mardy, I am so sorry that tonight hasn't been conclusive for you. I really have been thinking of you and hope that you will keep us posted. I am sure the forum will reveal the cut off soon so that you can get an idea of ranking and position. Stay with it { }

MerryCouthyMows Fri 01-Mar-13 01:11:56

I know. Just one more HUGE thing to add to my incessant to-do pile, compile an appeal for a GS that has only ever had 3 successful appeals.


breward Fri 01-Mar-13 06:29:17

Ds got shsb. I'm really pleased, he's a bit down " oh, I didn't get kegs?" We'll see what the waiting list brings... It's good to know the result and be put out of out misery waiting. Well done to all the others and fingers crossed for the waiting list too Mardy.

letseatgrandma Sun 03-Mar-13 11:33:30

DS got SHSB-I've just accepted the place, he's very pleased!

Well done to everyone who got the school they wanted and good luck with the waiting list, Couthymows/appeal.


breward Sun 03-Mar-13 17:22:08

Congratulations to your DS Letseatgrandma.

Do you have to accept a place? I thought you only got in touch with the council if you are declining a place. Maybe things are different between Essex and Southend councils.

My son is 2 points from the cut-off for KEGS. Last year the KEGS and CCHS waiting lists moved by 4 points between March and August. I know 3 girls who got places in the first week of July at CCHS.... so it could be a long wait for us.

Personally I'm delighted with the place at SHSB. It's a fabulous school and my favourite by a mile. However, we are in walking distance of KEGS and that is what appeals to my DS (as well as an extra half hour in bed each morning!!)

Have you had a pack from SHSB yet? I know girls at CCHS and ColCHS who have got their's.

Well done again...I'm not buying a green blazer just yet tho!

letseatgrandma Sun 03-Mar-13 22:31:59

We are Southend LEA and the email said you need to accept the place or you lose it!

I'm really pleased with SHSB-it will take DS about three minutes to walk there with no roads to cross; that extra time in bed in the mornings was a very important factor for him!

We haven't had a pack from SHSB yet-I wonder if that will come now we've accepted the place?

How does your DS feel about it all?

breward Fri 08-Mar-13 17:13:15

Ds is 4th on w/l for kegs! Really pleased.
Would have been happy if it was 5th or 50th because waiting in the teens must be agony and shsb is a great school if the waiting list does not move this year!

Ds came round to the idea of shsb, especially as his best friend also got shsb. Now really does not mind.

Wish me luck for the wait and I'll keep updating with news as and when it comes.

Kenlee Sat 09-Mar-13 01:58:40

Wow think thats bad....ha ha you have to try Hong Kong....500 applicants for each place. Academic acheiviment is placed on a back foot. Why because all applicants get 90 to 100% in their exams. Then they are selected on the special abilities. Arts each student need to be able to demostrate with certificates (i.e. primary grade ballet from the Royal school of ballet) or painting (again need to see you awards). Then we have Music my daughter only studied to grade 5. In HK they are at grade 8 or above. Sports need to be able to have medals.

So passing an exam is not that bad. My daughter is now going to an independent boarding in the UK as she was not selected to a band 1 school in HK.

The message im trying to get across is hard work is necessary. I failed aa I didnt push my daughter hard enough in music.

piggywigwig Sat 09-Mar-13 15:59:16

It's all about degrees of expectation, though isn't it, rather than "my cat's bigger than your cat"? Every society and culture has different expectations and demands on their children. We all still have to be able to look at ourselves in the mirror, when it comes to how hard we choose to push our children (as a society or individuals) ..and perhaps in the years to come, mop up the damage, bask in the reflected glory...or perhaps, merely be happy wink

MrsBartlet Sat 09-Mar-13 21:44:31

That is great news breward! DS is at Kegs. He had a friend who was lower down the waiting list than that last year and he was offered a place within a few weeks. Fingers-crossed for you.

MerryCouthyMows Sun 10-Mar-13 03:37:03

Pissed off. DS1 is 18th on the waiting list for CRGS, but there were 11 late applicants (you can ask for that info).

So in other words, on March 1st, on offer day, he was 7th on the waiting list, but 11 people that didn't get into KEGS have put CRGS down as a late application since offer day and jumped ahead of him.

If they wanted CRGS as a choice, why didn't they put it on their application form in the first place?!

He's 51st on list OOC for KEGS, which I knew he would be.

Am compiling an appeal based on his academic evidence and how ill he was (strep throat meant he had to sit the alternate sitting, but he STILL had strep throat then badly too, AND he had tummy pains that I put down to nerves on the day...which turned out to be appendicitis, he had an appendectomy just 2.5 days after the alternate test!!)

Shit that he gets really seriously ill at the time of the test and is unable to show his true potential.

You can see exactly where his painkillers wore off, too. (I had the VR remarked back at the time we got the results). He got 100% in the first 7 sections, 50% in the next section, and absolutely zero in the last few sections. So it clearly shows where his painkillers wore off.

It just seems wrong to me that a DC expected to achieve lvl 6 SATS, working on lvl 5b/5a in English, and lvl 8 in Maths, doesn't have a place in a Grammar school because he was seriously ill at the time of the test and couldn't show his true potential. sad

MrsBartlet Sun 10-Mar-13 08:45:33

MerryCouthyMows - that is awful. Late applicants really shouldn't be allowed. It is so unfair to people who have done their applications correctly and followed the rules. I think the admissions people need to close that particular loophole. Wishing you all the best for your appeal.

piggywigwig Sun 10-Mar-13 10:36:03

"So in other words, on March 1st, on offer day, he was 7th on the waiting list, but 11 people that didn't get into KEGS have put CRGS down as a late application since offer day and jumped ahead of him."

So sorry to hear about your son but keep your chin up and keep plugging away.
Can I ask who told you about the fact that others came in after March 1st and displaced your son?

"The message im trying to get across is hard work is necessary."

With respect, I firmly believe that all the parents on this thread know that hard work is necessary, especially as many have applied to a superselectives wink Those who have experienced the 11+ , especially in the UK, know that hard work is often not enough in itself, you need a lot of luck and nerves of steel on the day. Talking of "luck", who knows how the introduction and amendments in catchment area have effected results this year?

breward Sun 10-Mar-13 10:44:02

Cowthy, I know of many children on the kegs waiting list (1st choice) who are also on the CRGS list (2nd choice) at a lower position.
Eg, 9th on kegs and 13th on CRGS.
This ds is likely to get kegs so he will not feature in the end on the CRGS list. You may find your son moves up the list quite quickly. Fingers crossed that you don't have to appeal, but your grounds are certainly strong and stand an excellent chance. You just don't need the extra stress that going to appeal brings with all that you are going through at the moment.

I feel this is going to be more of a marathon than a sprint. Keep

When do waiting lists start to move?

MrsBartlet Sun 10-Mar-13 10:59:29

breward - not sure when they start to move but ds's friend who wasn't as high up the waiting list as your ds was offered by the end of March last year.

breward Sun 10-Mar-13 11:05:02

The catchment changes have already thrown up some strange results. My ds's school usually gets girls into WHSG every year. This year, none. They all got CCHS ( but on their scores would have done in previous years too) or nothing. Lots of girls in the 320-335 were told they would have grammar places have the local, excellent, comp. A neighbour's dd has WHSG as she got 338 but is high up on the w/l for CCHS. With WHSG 337 cut off and CCHS 339 cut off there can be very few Chelmsford 12.5 mile catchment children with WHSG places. WHSG could end up as a southend/outer London mixed school only with very few children from wickford, SWF, Galleywood, Basildon, Brentwood etc. any more.

Also the ability range could be vast with a huge number of children this year (90 o/c pupils) scoring between 340-365.

I think many of the London children will go private and so the w/l will probably move massively this year. Usually about 24 places but quite possibly 40 plus places this year... We'll wait and see!

breward Sun 10-Mar-13 11:07:14

Thank you, Mrsbarlet. Great news. 2 lists this year, could be a longer wait.

breward Sun 10-Mar-13 11:08:17

Sorry-Bartlet not Barlet!

MerryCouthyMows Sun 10-Mar-13 11:10:52

I asked as a FOI request.

piggywigwig Sun 10-Mar-13 12:42:21

In the info they provided to you, do they differentiate between those who

1. Definitely only put KEGS and no other on the CAF and now want to add CRGS

2. Those who put KEGS 1st with a local secondary 2nd, 3rd etc

3. Those who put KEGS 1st and CRGS 2nd on their CAF preference and so now have got CRGS and those who,

4. For whatever reason, ie moving house etc have CRGS as a choice?

I have no idea how it works if you move at any point between 31st October 2012 and 1st March and need to change your preferences - do they wait until after 1st or 8th March and then officially put you in the waiting list queue?

It would seem a little unfair if CRGS waiting list places are allotted to those who only put KEGS as a choice on their CAF or my option 2 above. However, I have no idea how it works, other than if you fail to achieve your 1st choice selective school but fulfill the criteria for your 2nd choice, then you'll be offered the 2nd choice, so tehcnically, those with CRGS as a 2nd choice can displace those who placed it as 1st. I could be wrong.

breward Sat 16-Mar-13 15:57:49

Couthy, did you phone up this Friday to see if CRGS list has moved? My DS is still at the same place. The Kegs list hasn't moved but CCHS has moved by 4 places. It is still early days.

MerryCouthyMows Sat 16-Mar-13 18:03:30

No, I didn't manage to ring on Friday - I'm going to ring on Monday. Is your DS lower on the waiting list than my DS? My DS1 was 18th on the waiting list on 8th March.

MerryCouthyMows Sat 16-Mar-13 18:04:28

Piggywig - no, they didn't differentiate, unfortunately. If I want that, I'll have to wait for them to reply in writing, but that can take up to 40 days.

breward Sat 16-Mar-13 20:41:14

He is not on the CRGS list. He is only on the kegs list at number 4. The list has not moved even though the decline date for essex school places was 15.3.13. I know others have said they are declining CRGS, so just wondered if that list has moved and by how many places?

Southend schools lists move on 22.3.13. We have a shsb place but kegs is local.

MerryCouthyMows Sun 17-Mar-13 02:06:09

Ah, my DS is waaaay below yours for KEGS. I'll let you know Monday on here if there is any movement on the CRGS list.

breward Sun 17-Mar-13 15:04:15

Couthy- Can you find out if the KEGS out of catchment list has moved too? Just curious really as the list usually moves by about 20 places, but maybe only the out of catchment list will move this year.

Does anyone know any in catchment boys who will be declining a kegs place in favour of an indie?

MerryCouthyMows Sun 17-Mar-13 22:47:21

I can ask - all I can do is tell you if my DS has gone up the KEGS OOC waiting list though!

MerryCouthyMows Mon 18-Mar-13 09:03:19

DS1 is still number 18 on the waiting list for CRGS, and number 51 on the OOC waiting list for KEGS, so there has been NO movement.

I didn't expect there to be any movement for KEGS tbh, because I know that they are already one over PAN because admissions made a fluff up with someone else's application and gave them CRGS when they were IC for KEGS.

Because of this, KEGS were made to take one extra pupil, so for there to be any movement on the waiting list, TWO pupils have to turn down KEGS. Only then will they start offering places to the waiting list.

I'm surprised that there hasn't been any movement on the CRGS waiting list though - because I KNOW that one person who was offered CRGS is turning the place down to go to Ipswich school, plus the person who was offered CRGS mistakenly that is now at KEGS, there should have been at least 2 places movement on that list.

I'm assuming that Admissions haven't yet processed the refusal forms, hence no movement. Will try again on Friday...

MerryCouthyMows Mon 18-Mar-13 09:04:24

Collecting evidence from school for appeal throughout the next couple of weeks.

breward Mon 18-Mar-13 19:00:03

Thanks for the info. I thought it was strange that not a single child out of 120 had declined a place. Felsted, New Hall and the Brentwood school would be pretty empty without any scholarships being taken up.

As the CRGS list and ic / occ Kegs have not moved it does seem that the refusal forms have not been processed yet.

A friend of mine was offered a place at CCHS last week but the phone call came from CCHS and not ECC. However, ECC did tell another parent further down the list that their child had moved 3 places up for CCHS. It seems like CCHS are on the ball. Last year DD got her Welcome pack from CCHS on 2nd March!

breward Fri 31-May-13 12:04:52

Just checking in again to wish Couthy all the best with the appeal next week. Hopefully you will get the result you want and deserve. Will be thinking of you.

piggywigwig Tue 18-Jun-13 12:38:16

For those people who have appealed, I wish you huge good luck.

I hope everyone is feeling okay?

If there's any new 11+ parents then please feel free to ask questions

breward Fri 12-Jul-13 18:12:00

Friend's DS who was 13th on w/l for CRGS has just been offered a place.

piggywigwig Fri 12-Jul-13 19:10:09

That's fabulous news, Breward. It may sound rude but do you have a rough idea what their score was, so lurkers on the waiting list can get an idea where they stand?

breward Fri 12-Jul-13 20:14:21


MrsPatrickDempsey Sat 13-Jul-13 23:16:26

Wondering if there is any news from Couthy...?

piggywigwig Tue 16-Jul-13 11:44:22

I was wondering how things were going with Couthy, too.

rollonthesummer Mon 19-May-14 20:49:54

I know this is an old thread, but was wondering if your son got his place at KEGS, Breward?

breward Tue 20-May-14 21:11:25

Yes he did. He got a place in September after spending 11 days at SHSB. So we had to buy two uniforms.... however the money we saved on the school bus in the first month paid for the Kegs uniform.

DS is loving kegs and doing really well. He also loved SHSB too. Looking back he was very lucky to experience two different Grammar school, if only for a short time. Both were totally different experiences and he has a unique insight into being a new boy at two grammar schools.

The waiting list was certainly a roller coaster. This year the lists are so stagnant. I feel sorry for the parents with children at Number 1 on the lists. We were in that position for over 3 months but it worked out well for us... Thanks for asking!

rollonthesummer Tue 20-May-14 22:27:32

That's great-glad there was a happy ending!!

I wonder if he was in my DS's class at SHSB, actually, as one of his form left to go to KEGS in September!

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