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I dunno, isn't there a website with it all on?

something like that - disclaimer I have no idea if those are right or not but they seem to chime with what my dcs have been told at school

In year 6 level 4 is national average and a level takes 18 months so level 3 ish or high level 2.
Levels don't really mean that much in the long run. Could be level 4 in year 5 and still underachieveing or level 2 and doing better than expected as it depends on the child.

Yep, 3a / 4c is average end of yr 5
looking for 4b / 4a end of yr 6

3a? Because they move on average 2 sublevels a year, and 4b is the target for end of Yr6.

I get the impression that there's a huge disparity, with something like 50% of children achieving Level 5 in at least one subject by end of Yr6. And an awful lot of the other 50% (who don't get any Level 5s) have relevant SN, so basically, for a child without SN you might reasonable expect more like Level 4b/4a at end of Yr4 as typical.

So like TooAddictive said, what is a reasonable expectation depends a lot on what you know the child's potential should be.

"reasonably expect"... and "end of Yr5"
...Ah bother, I hate typos . Must go back to lurking, lol.

no...4b/4a is not typical end of yr 4, end of yr 5..yes.

I thought level 5 in year 6 was the second highest level? Isn't it level 4 in year 5?

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no...
average child is
yr 2 2b
yr 4 3b
yr 6 4b
Level 5 at yr 6 above average.

What's 5a, 5b and5c? Is 5a the highest or the lowest of level 5?

a highest, c lowest

Do they only go up to 5a?? (sorry, I'm hijacking

They go up to level 8 but only level 5 in primary school. Children aren't taught/tested anything beyond level 5 in primary.

Thankyou

I think a few schools used to test very bright kids at level 6 but don't think that's done nowadays. So if you've heard someone saying their DC got a level 6 when they were at primary school they aren't (necessarily) lying.

Ds has been at level 5a for a couple of years, this is why I'm asking. No one's actually ever said they don't test them at the levels above this.

Just means he's a bright kid who got to level 5a ahead of most others. Doesn't mean he's plateaued, its just they aren't doing the tests for higher levels. For maths level 6,the tests presumably include subjects not on the primary curriculum so they really can't use them.

So, nothing to worry about!

Thankyou

If you are talking about the supposedly 'optional' Sats in Years 3,4 and 5 (that practically all schools do) then I think - teachers please correct me - that it's impossible to get above a 4 on the papers until Year 5. Some schools might give a child a paper for an older child but most don't. Some teachers also claim that a child 'is working' at higher levels simply from their own experience. In any case, as already noted, level 4 is the national average in Year 6.

In my DCs prep they like 4s at the end of Year 5 (but then they would wouldn't they!) and say that 5s at the end of Year 5 indicate success at 11 plus etc.

They did the papers every year, he was level 5a for 2 years in a row and will sit the key stage 2 test for real this year, he's working at a higher level though, I just wasn't sure what they will do for his sats if he's already been working above the top level for a while (don't flame me for this, I'm not bragging, I have no idea as they just say he's level 5a and don't give any more info)

Is the 'average' set quite low, because in DDs class she and four others have been assessed as 4a mid year 4 for maths and literacy, and while my daughter is bright I would not say exceptionally so to the point of being 'gifted'

The average is supposed to be the average - you can't set that, it is what it is.

However, you've now set me wondering if, as they don't discriminate above level 5, if that artificially alters the stats.