INSET DAYS...

[poppiesinaline]

please tell me why they can't be held during school holidays?


I mean... teachers get enough time off after all...


I don't mind too much.... its quite nice having one off without the other... but for those parents that work, it must be a PITA.


I had this discussion with a friend of mine who is a teacher and she was at my suggestion that she should have to 'go to work for a day or two' during one of her many weeks off.





Discuss...

[astronomer]

government rules say five days to be taken extra and whenever school chooses

take advantage of these days when your kids are the only ones at home and museums etc are empty

[poppiesinaline]

but my point is... teachers have enough 'holiday' time compared to other professions. So why can't these 5 days be taken during the time when the children are on school holidays? Especially, as they harp on so much about children taking time off from school.....



and yes, part of me does enjoy one of them having an INSET day.. but I have friends who work and its a real nightmare for them...

and back to the teachers and all their holidays....

[Olihan]

INSET days ARE taken out of teachers' holidays. Children have always had 190 days of schooling a year and they still do, the 5 inset days were added on top of that. The reason why they are dotted throughout the year is because they are used for training (contrary to popular belief), therefore if every school in the county/LEA had the same days they wouldn't be able to access outside speakers/facilities etc.

I'm now getting off this thread because I can feel my blood pressure rising already .

[donnie]

frankly I am amazed you have teachers as friends.

[foxtrot]

i like inset days, but then i am a SAHM. We had two together in the autumn and took the DC away for a long weekend, and the next one is earmarked for legoland

[Hulababy]

As already pointed out INSET days are part of teacher's holidays! They always have been, but used to always occur within the pupil's holiday time. They were taken out of those set holidays to be placed in the school year as a school sees fit - to fit in with curriculum or training requirements.

They are not extra days! They have always existed.

Also bear in mind that teachers are not actually paid for their holidays. They are paid for x number of hours throughout the year - this is the school based hours only, not the pupil's 13 weeks holiday time. The work they do in school holidays - and many teachers do go into school towardst the ends of holidays, esp primary teachers - weekends and before/after school is not paid!

[donnie]

oh hula it's just not worth it...

[poppiesinaline]

I have 4 teacher friends!

"Are taken out of teachers holidays?" Crikey'! how many weeks a year do they get !!!! Obviously more than the mere 4 DH gets.


And the teacher friend who I had the conversation with said she liked INSET days because she could "sit around, chat, drink coffee all day and not do any work... as such"



Anyway..... as I said, it doesnt bother me per se as I am a SAHM but for those that work .....

[Hulababy]

I know...and I don't even teach anymore either, lol! I get the best of it all now - 12 weeks holiday and without all the set holiday times, work to do outside of the office and without all the grief from those who think teachers have a cushy number

[percypig]

INSET days are used for staff training and are often tagged onto the holidays, however this isn't always possible or appropriate. We're not a babysitting service you know - education should be the priority - not making life easier for parents.

Yes teachers have great holidays - but our pay is rubbish compared to other professionals - because we only work 195 days per year. For example, my husband and I both spent 5 years at Uni and he earns over 3 times what I do (actually it's more like 8 or 9 times, but I'm teaching part time at the minute). We also have no flexibility about holidays, no bonuses, can't 'save up' annual leave, and most of us spend a couple of hours every night working, as well as doing preparation during the holidays.

I love my job, but, like many other teachers do get a bit fed up at the public perception of us.

[Tortington]

pmsl - i think i started a thread muchly the same a while back.

ffs dont suggest teachers get an easier ride than any other professionals its like a sahm/wohm breastfeeding FF debate.... dont do it save yourself. the days have always been there - they are not extra days off.

dont you know they start at 8 am and finish at 6pm - if that ( how very dare you) think of all the marking, the coursework the lessons planning ( how dare you!) run poppies.....save yourseeeeeeeellllllff.

[Hulababy]

poppiesinaline - I am glad your teacher friend shave such a great day on INSET. We used to work, but yes we did have coffee during the day too. Shock, horror!

As for holidays - teachers now have the 13 weeks holiday like pupils do. Prior to that pupils had 5 extra days on top of this - remember the 6.5-7 week school holidays, race week off, slightly longer at Christmas than now?

When they decided to change INSET - think it was Baker who brought it in, hence name Baker days in some areas - they removed those 5 days from the teacher's holidays. They didn't remove them from pupil's holidays though - just moved them around in the school year.

[Hulababy]

poppiesinaline - if it is so great, wny not go and joint hem. become a teacher yourself!

I got out

[poppiesinaline]

The teachers I know obviously do have cushy numbers then! LOL.... don't work weekends or do long hours (certainly compared to DH who does 90+ hours a week) and seem to manage to have enough money to go on 3+ holidays abroad a year compared to our no holidays a year...


ah well....

[poppiesinaline]

BE A TEACHER!!!! splutter!!!!!


Nah, not me... Couldn't be with kids all day mind you.. on that note... I think teachers deserve all their long holidays.....


and YES. at least admit that teachers do get lots of holidays....

[Hulababy]

Yes, they do get lots of holidays - all unpaid though remember!

I am no longer teacher and still get the holidays, and without the work to do in them. I am definitely on to a good thing!

[poppiesinaline]

One of my teacher friends isnt on much less then DH and certainly works far fewer hours.


takes custardos advice...

[Tortington]

holidays not paid? i thought they were salaried?

if not they can theoretically get another job in the hols ?

[Hulababy]

They are salaried, but their contract is for xxx number of working hours/days.

Some teacher's do take on other jobs in holiday/own time - marking, etc. is very popular in the summer.

[poppiesinaline]

ahh yes, good point Custardo....

[Tortington]

so they dont get taxed for 2 jobs?

[Hulababy]

No idea on tax - I never did any marking, etc. I assume it is all declared and taxed though if that's what you mean.

[Tortington]

oh i know dib sib sib honest teachers an all that - bnot inferring otherwise - meant that if i decided to get a weekend job down tesco - theres no point becuase i would get fucked over for tax.

so if teachers arn't employed for the holiday time i presume they can take another job and not get fucked for tax? something like 2 thirds of your wage ( i think)

[percypig]

If you do marking, which I haven't yet, though a lot of my friends have, it's definitely taxed, and I think it might be superannuable as well. Most teachers would stay in same tax bracket though, as you have to be a principal or have a few responsibility points to be in the top bracket.

[Hulababy]

No idea TBH. As I said, I never did it. Had enough to do in my holidays, as well as wanting time out - and was never in position where I needed the extra money fortunately.

Is there a different tax for a second job thhen? Or do you mean by it pushing the income over the 40% bracket?