The Trinity Whitgift Dulwich 11+/10+ thread 2014 pt3

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SJ69 Tue 04-Mar-14 10:14:36

Part 2 reached 1000 posts so start part 3 here.
If you need to follow part 2, the link is as follow.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/education/1974488-The-Trinity-Whitgift-Dulwich-11-10-thread-2014-pt2?reverse=1

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 15:33:28

I know indies over offer but surely the grammars are not able to? Also interested in hearing how much movement there may be on grammar waiting lists.

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 15:38:40

I know if you were 10 on a comprehensive school waiting list a place would almost certainly come up. Would be interested to know if the grammar list moves. I am guessing much slower and def not as much movement. Although my friend was told by Sutton Grammar that last year they offered 20 places from waiting list and 45 the year before!!

Poundpup Sat 22-Mar-14 17:03:04

Hello all,

Grammar school waiting lists! Just when you thought it was all over after March 3rd. I can talk from experience on this one. It is difficult to predict movement on waiting lists but generally, the procedure is as follows.

March 3rd - although the schools do not have CAF forms they can work out from the rank lists they have created and the list received back from the LA who has accepted schools higher up. Most schools do not contact people who have obtained a place at a higher preferred school but a few (Wilsons) do. It does not mean that the child is offer two places but they are given the opportunity to be placed onto the waiting list. As the waiting list is created in rank order these children are likely to be placed near the top and any vacancies that occur will mean they will secure a place before others on the list. Is this fair? Well, there are many threads on this issue.

Next they have to wait two weeks for the receipt of the acceptances/rejections. I believe this was March 17th this year.

Finally, the admissions officers can start to make offers to the children at the top of the list usually by telephone until the published admission number (PAN) is reached. At this point the formal waiting list is created and letters will be sent to all indicating their position on the waiting list.

Now comes the hard part. The wait...

Offers at this stage can only be made if another child declines the offer of the place. Declines at this stage are usually due to acceptances of indie school places or other preferred grammar schools.

Generally, if you are at wait list position 1- 5 it is highly likely that you will be offered a place, 6 - 10 likely and 11 -15+ possbily. This is only an estimate and year on year it changes. When you will be offered is more uncertain but anytime from late March to 1st week in September. Yep there are those that hold onto two offers (1 indie & 1 grammar) until the last possbile minute but most tend to give up their place just before Easter as they will be liable for a terms fees otherwise.

However, the Sutton boys grammar schools were mostly affected by the chain caused by the Tiffin boys offers. Tiffin boys used to rank boys by number so you could have a number of boys who all acheived the same score. If Tiffin fell below the PAN they would then offer all the boys on the same score, at the same time. e.g. 13 boys all on score 231 would all be offered. It was likely that some of these 13 also held Sutton, Wilsons and Wallington places. This in turn would create vacancies and more offers could be made. However, Tiffin have changed there ranking this year and each boy now holds their own position.

How will this affect the movement on the waiting lists, I am not sure but the most movement on the lists is generally between now and the end of April and then a slow trickle until September.

Hope this helps a little.

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 17:18:19

Thanks poundpup. Do you think as Wilsons has expanded to 180 places that this may create more movement within the grammars?

Poundpup Sat 22-Mar-14 18:11:16

Hi Pooziepuzzle, It may well mean there are more second round offers but it won't affect the waiting list as these places would have been allocated prior to the letters being sent out.

Have you received all the waiting list letters from the grammar schools you applied to yet?

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 19:08:21

Yes. We are in likely/possibly bracket! Have accepted indie place but would need to seriously reconsider if grammar came up.

Mummynet29 Sat 22-Mar-14 20:05:29

Have sutton grammar sent a letter/email giving the waiting list position?I tried to ask them over the phone but wasn't given a clear answer....

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 21:25:31

Mummynet29 I don't know about Sutton, sorry

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 21:27:57

Although I have a friend waiting on Sutton who was told over the phone they would prob get an offer in the summer but not given exact waiting list number. Another friend was told over the phone that a place is very unlikely

Poundpup Sat 22-Mar-14 22:12:26

That is fab news Poozie, you just have to hang on. I would suggest you call the admin team every couple of weeks to keep an update on your waiting list position. I went from a likely position to securing a place mid June and another boy I know was contacted the day before year 7 was due to begin.

It does happen. Fingers crossed for you.

pooziepuzzle Sat 22-Mar-14 22:40:23

Thanks poundpup. Out of interest do you know the original waiting list number for your friend who heard the day before year 7 started?

Poundpup Sat 22-Mar-14 22:57:03

Sorry, i am not sure.what his initial waiting list position was.

pooziepuzzle Sun 23-Mar-14 09:26:28

Have been reading last years thread. EyesWideClosed has your DS been at T for year 6? If so can I ask your reasons to now change to Wilsons? Or maybe you didn't accept last year after all? Just curious as our heart is with W but think we may be mad to not consider if grammar comes up.

AliceLostinWonderland Tue 25-Mar-14 20:57:07

Poundpup, I hope you don't mind what position were you initially on the waiting list at the start of the whole process?

EyesWideClosed Wed 26-Mar-14 23:13:35

Could any Wilson's parent help me out here? Reading between the lines, it does seems that there might be a bit of a culture of re-sits. Is this the case and, if so, does it explain (just a little bit) their amazing examination results?

ObjectionOverruled Fri 28-Mar-14 06:04:05

EyesWideClosed: Please explain what you mean. Reading between which lines?

Poundpup Fri 28-Mar-14 08:20:27

Alicelostinwonderland, Following the second round my child was in wait list position nine.

EyesWideClosed Fri 28-Mar-14 17:08:50

ObjectionOverruled: the lines of the newsletter which lists the costs of resits for those who are resitting exams.

ObjectionOverruled Fri 28-Mar-14 19:09:42

Who knows?! My limited experience of schools has taught me how difficult it is to truly understand what goes on in a school until you're on the inside. And even then, I know of two dc's this year who are being taken out of schools generally considered to be fantastic by current parents, because it didn't work for them.
it might not be any worse there than other schools. The termly resit nonsense has been replaced in favour of the 3 year enriched gcse curriculum,in many comparable schools. I suppose this prepares them better for a'levels and is more likely to produce better gcse results. shame this means dropping the other subjects so early though.

pooziepuzzle Mon 31-Mar-14 09:31:22

Anyone heard of waiting lists up and running for Wilsons and Sutton Grammar yet? When are second round offers normally made? Does anyone know if Wallington play any football? Would you send football mad boy there??

Ladymuck Mon 31-Mar-14 13:03:19

Apparently Wilson's will let people know about their waiting list position tomorrow. WCGS definitely plays football, mainly in this current half term (post rugby).

pooziepuzzle Mon 31-Mar-14 13:40:59

Thanks Ladymuck

pooziepuzzle Tue 01-Apr-14 14:28:57

Anyone heard of new offers being made at Wilsons today?

pooziepuzzle Tue 01-Apr-14 14:56:19

It appears the Wallington waiting list has only moved 1 place! There has apparently been alot of movement there already but clearly before the waiting list was put together. I have been told not to expect it to move more than 1 or 2 places now.

Ladymuck Tue 01-Apr-14 15:33:28

I think at least one offer was made for Wilsons yesterday but today is when they let people know their place on the list.

I know of one boy yet to turn down his WCGS place. I expect that they will by the start of next term. In the same way that boys seem to have sat for more schools than in previous years, a few seem to be holding onto both state and independent school offers.

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