Its good enough for mine if its good enough for yours

(270 Posts)
educationforteachers Tue 31-Dec-13 12:59:51

If the school is not good enough for the teachers kids, then should it be good enough for our kids?

Should this apply to primary and secondary?

Should this apply to the methods they are using in school?

Since teachers are after all the best people to ask!

Gunznroses Fri 03-Jan-14 19:45:06

lol at 'good teachers should have nothing to hide' grin perhaps they should all be paraded naked into school too so parents can decide wether they meet their high standards in every area? hmm

pointythings Fri 03-Jan-14 16:19:59

That was the one - it was fun, I got my 'I have been deleted by MN' badge at last and I still wear it with pride.

clam Fri 03-Jan-14 16:00:28

Oh gosh, I remember her!! There was a bit of a verbal punch-up, IIRC. She had an axe to grind over something her child's school apparently did or said about levels or progress? Blamed the entire education system for it.

pointythings Fri 03-Jan-14 15:53:21

clam we had a poster round about this time of year who was also stirring - she was suggesting that teachers should be given report cards by parents and that these should be made public, and that 'good teachers should have nothing to hide' hmm. She posted a few pieces of nonsense, refused to answer any of the legitimate concerns raised and then disappeared. I think it may be a seasonal thing. grin

clam Fri 03-Jan-14 14:13:41

Yes - after all, we've had the nerve to have had two weeks off work, like the rest of the world, it seems.

fedup21 Fri 03-Jan-14 14:03:46

I suspect you are right-teacher baiting is only to be expected during the school holidays. I wonder if they'll be a post on Monday moaning that Inset days shouldn't be tacked onto school holidays and should all be held during them ;) I haven't read one or those for a while!

clam Fri 03-Jan-14 12:20:50

I reckon it was just stirring.

fedup21 Fri 03-Jan-14 11:18:25

Blimey, this thread has moved on a bit! Apologies for not having read the whole thread, but has the OP come back and said what her interest is in teachers and their children? Or was it just stirring?

joanofarchitrave Thu 02-Jan-14 22:09:24

I don't know if my child's teachers have children or not confused

clam Thu 02-Jan-14 21:49:18

Good idea, bard. You should add all your personal medical details too! fwink

BardOfBarking Thu 02-Jan-14 21:43:47

I cannot get my children into the primary school in which I work. The school is now an academy and we took it to Governors to see if we could have priority places for teaching staff but they turned it down.

I am guessing that many parents are as unaware as many of you are that we are bound by the same admissions criteria as any other parent and therefore assume that I have actively chosen to have my children educated elsewhere.

Perhaps I should get a T-shirt printed.

clam Thu 02-Jan-14 21:32:32

I would say I have all that too Hamlet, as I feel very much part of my school's village community (having taught there over 20 years), as well as where I actually live (15 minutes away). But I'm glad to have been able to do it without hosting half my class overnight at home! fgrin

HamletsSister Thu 02-Jan-14 21:24:07

My children's' friends are very welcome. They stay over, we see them at parties and community events. Their parents are not my closest friends, but we are friends. Just as the GP, nurse, bank manager etc all live in the community, so do we. This is a good thing. We care about pupils not just because it is our job, but because we know them and we are all part of the village life. I have ex pupils who do our plumbing, serve me in shops, even one who taught my children at primary. I sometimes think that big schools and choice mean that communities are fractured and schools (and parents) would be much more accountable if they returned to their community roots.

Philoslothy Thu 02-Jan-14 20:43:39

Of course there are issues and we have had problems with one of our children.

But since then - and we are talking quite a few years ago - there have not really been any problems that make life for my children or me out of school difficult.

My husband tends to do a lot of the dropping off and picking up from sleepovers etc to give me a bit of distance. We are lucky that we own quite a lot of land, so I do not feel as if I am constantly under scrutiny . We also sail which again I allows us to escape if we need to.

spanieleyes Thu 02-Jan-14 20:39:39

I teach in a small village school too and have done so for the past 10 years, I am now teaching children I held in my arms when they were babies.
I still don't go drinking with their parents though!

teacherwith2kids Thu 02-Jan-14 20:39:12

Philoslothy, have you not encountered difficulties / conflicts when your 'out of school' and 'in school' knowledge of the same family / child / situation collide?

I agree that it could all be very fluffy and wonderful when it works - but it would be a rare community that has never had its instances of substance abuse, child protection, domestic violence, 'interesting' family structures / dynamics, children with acute SN or behavioural difficulties where the knowledge acquired professionally can be a burden in private life? [Mty last school was ... interesting, my current one exceptionally MC, but both have clear examples of all of the above)

Philoslothy Thu 02-Jan-14 20:25:40

I guess so, I like the sense of community and the school is very strong on that. It isn't for everyone - we tend to keep staff forever or they leave very quickly .

The parents are just other villagers like me.

spanieleyes Thu 02-Jan-14 20:23:48

Sorry, but personally I would rather not socialise with the parents of children I teach. Each to their own however!

Philoslothy Thu 02-Jan-14 20:21:22

Sorry random exclamation mark there.

Philoslothy Thu 02-Jan-14 20:21:09

Last night most of my children were at a sleepover, tonight one is still out. We have sleepovers for one of the children most weeks and there are constantly children back for tea. We threw parties for much of the village at new year and Christmas! really not an issue.

KingRollo Thu 02-Jan-14 20:20:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

spanieleyes Thu 02-Jan-14 20:17:35

And would other families want your child for a sleepover, knowing they would report back that they were fed fish fingers and chips with fizzy orange for tea!

clam Thu 02-Jan-14 20:12:34

Yes, and consider scenarios such as sleepovers. Your own child begs for so-and-so to come to stay the night. Do you really want to be seen in your dressing gown coming out of the bathroom by someone you might have had to tell off the week before for talking in Assembly?

teacherwith2kids Thu 02-Jan-14 20:08:40

In a small, close knit community it can be particularly difficult if staff members have children attending the school - particularly if the school itself is small (many village schools have PANs of 20 or fewer).

One aspect that has not been discussed is that it can put parent members of staff in awkward situations, as with one 'hat' on they may know a lot about e.g. the family situation, needs, difficulties of particular children (and they need to in order to do their job well) but on the other hand they may also socialise, live next to, have children who are friends with those very same children.

The need to keep professional and private worlds separate - and not allow knowledge acquired in one to seep into another - can be very difficult to maintain, especially in cases where teachers or support staff are regarded as 'fair game' for other parents to use as sources of information about a school or (most difficult) about particular individuals within it, which does happen. So when on the one hand a school employee is filling in child protection forms about child X, and on the other hand other parents (friends of the school employee for many years, living in the same tiny community) are asking them 'is your DD going to child X's birthday party?' it can be very hard. In cases like this that I have come across, the staff members in question have always been limtlessly discreet and professional, but I know from discussions with them that it is a source of strain.

It is not surprising or suspicious in the least if a member of staff - teaching or support - at such a small school in a small community muight say 'you know what, I'd like to keep my private and professional worlds separate by sending my own children to a different school'.

AntiJamDidi Thu 02-Jan-14 19:52:40

My last school was shit. Honestly I wouldn't send my child anywhere near it. The SMT were hopeless and the whole place was run on the basis of trying to placate the troublemaking kids (pupils removed from classrooms because they were refusing to do any work and disturbing others were allowed to play computer games in the student support office instead of being made to do some work hmm). However, there were plenty of teachers who sent their children there, because their children would be in the top sets who rarely saw the sort of disruption that made it hell on earth to work in. Strangely, Ofsted deemed it Good at the time but not now, but the local reputation had families converting to Catholicism in droves when their eldest was in year 5, just so they could bump up the criteria for the Catholic school down the road (and it was literally just down the road, not even 5 min walk)

There was absolutely nothing I could do to change the overall school, I was just a classroom teacher doing my best in a challenging environment. I absolutely did not believe it was good enough for a single child that attended, but there wasn't anything I could do about it. So I left. If I hadn't left I would have had a breakdown.

What would you like individual classroom teachers to do if the school they teach in isn't good enough for their own child (or any child)? Mostly it's not classroom teachers who can change the ethos or quality of a school, it has to come from SMT and be a whole school approach.

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