Its good enough for mine if its good enough for yours

(270 Posts)
educationforteachers Tue 31-Dec-13 12:59:51

If the school is not good enough for the teachers kids, then should it be good enough for our kids?

Should this apply to primary and secondary?

Should this apply to the methods they are using in school?

Since teachers are after all the best people to ask!

mrz Tue 31-Dec-13 15:51:58

Why didn't my children attend the school where I teach ... we lived 20 miles away at the time and they went to school in the village where we lived, where their friends were and near enough to my parents so that they could do drop offs and pick ups so saving child care costs for a few years.
I did contemplate moving my daughter to my school in UKS2 but then there would have been a problem with secondary schools as we lived out of area.
It's a really silly question to be honest nothing to do with schools being good enough or not!

educationforteachers Tue 31-Dec-13 15:52:06

it is not about the obvious reasons surely

LaVolcan Tue 31-Dec-13 15:53:10

Well, I did feel annoyed by the teacher who taught my DD but sent her son to an independent school, so that he got more 'push'. I used to think, well, how about you pushing my DD a bit more, she's in your top set; how about getting some of that homework marked and setting some more, instead of letting DD coast?

LaVolcan Tue 31-Dec-13 15:54:22

But OK, she just wasn't IMO a good teacher, and not especially typical.

Littlefish Tue 31-Dec-13 15:54:46

Most teachers don't have any choice in which school they send their child to. They are bound by the same admission criteria as everyone else.

I'll answer your question in a different way.

If I didn't teach at my school, I would be happy to send my dd there.

In other words, I don't want to teach at the same school my child attends, but am proud of the education offered to the children who attend my school.

stardusty5 Tue 31-Dec-13 15:57:32

Since school places are allocated independently, a teacher has no more guarantee of getting their child into a particular school than anyone else. For example, even if you taught in the most outstanding school for miles around, if your child doesn't get in, they don't get in. Simple.

Yes OP, it does appear that where the teachers' children go is due to 'obvious reasons'.

I'm unsure of your motive for posting. A little background?

motherinferior Tue 31-Dec-13 15:58:14

I am rather pleased that the fabulous head of science at my daughter's science specialist school does indeed send his daughter there, especially as it's a school people are sometimes snooty about grin

Havingagoodny Tue 31-Dec-13 16:02:23

Or maybe the teacher doesn't think that the school is that good but it's the only school she got offered a job in / lets her work part time hours / needed a year 2 teacher etc etc.

LaVolcan Tue 31-Dec-13 16:11:01

Or maybe the teacher doesn't think that the school is that good....

But then, isn't that saying, that this school isn't good enough for my child, but it is for yours? Why is her child worthy of a better school?

Littlefish Tue 31-Dec-13 16:47:22

Perhaps there wasn't a job available at her child's school LaVolcan? Or do you think that teachers should have to move their child to wherever they are working? What about those teachers on 1 year fixed term contracts? Do they have to move their children every year? What about part time teachers who work in two different schools? What about a teacher in a special school? What about a child with severe special needs? Do they have to be taught at the same school as their parent, regardless of their needs?

Perhaps the teacher thinks that the school isn't that good..... yet. Perhaps the teacher is committed to working to improve the school.

If the only job offered to you was in Currys/Tesco/Toys R Us/NatWest, which you don't really rate, but need a job in order to be able to pay the mortgage and support your family, would you really turn down the job?

stardusty5 Tue 31-Dec-13 17:00:41

Should teachers therefore refuse to work in school that is in need of improvement?

EBearhug Tue 31-Dec-13 17:05:07

If the school is not good enough for the teachers kids, then should it be good enough for our kids?

The school should be good enough for both - but it may not be right for all children, and that includes the teachers' children.

(Though if like me, you were at school in a rural area with only one upper school, then the concept of choice seems a bit hollow.)

mrz Tue 31-Dec-13 17:05:46

So how will those schools improve if no one will work there?

Judyandherdreamofhorses Tue 31-Dec-13 17:06:16

The school I work in is 'outstanding'.

We live too far away for DD to attend.

Also, she would hate it. It's far too pushy and target driven for her. I don't want her comparing reading levels etc at age 4. So I chose a very different school for her (currently 'sarisfactory').

I work there because it's the job I got when I needed one. I cannot change it's culture, just do my best within my own responsibilities. I am not a class teacher though.

clam Tue 31-Dec-13 17:23:47

This is a bloody ridiculous thread. Goady and unnecessary.

teacherwith2kids Tue 31-Dec-13 17:27:00

When my children started at theirn primary, i hadn't done my teacher training.

I then got a job 45 minutes' drive away, in a school in a 3 tier system (so even if I had moved them to be at my school, they would have had to move to a middle school where I did not teach after not much more than a year in the case of DS). At the time, I had a 1-year contract - perhaps not an ideal basis on which to move children out of an oversubscribed primary to which they would not have been able to return.

I do now work in a more local school, but DD only has 1 more year left at primary.

So whatever I think of the different schools, had I decided to move my children to accompany me, both would have ended up attending at least 4 different schools during their primary years, even supposing that every school had had a place for them immediately after my moves (none of which have been at the beginning of the academic year).

This is on top of the obvious catchment, childcare and community issues. When I worked further away, DD had frequently been to school, attended an after-school activity, and gone to a dance class before I arrived back in town ... however high my opinion of the school I taught in, she was getting a much broader and more balanced life attending a school I can see from my front door.

teacherwith2kids Tue 31-Dec-13 17:32:55

(I do have a friend who teaches in a secondary which, unlike any of the schools I have taught in or my children have attended, has a 'teachers' children' priority in their admissions criteria. She would love her children tio attend the school she teaches at. They have steadfastly refused, and go to their catchment school instead, so that they can have their own independent identities and not be 'Mrs X's children'!)

KingRollo Tue 31-Dec-13 17:41:14

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MirandaWest Tue 31-Dec-13 17:51:51

I went to the school my parents taught at. There's quite a few reasons why I wish I had gone to the other school in my town tbh.

I applied for a place for DS in my school, but he didn't get allocated one. Therefore he is taught at the school 5 minutes away. Actually I am pleased he is not at my school as it means we both get a break from one another and I don't know about every misdemeanour.
The admissions policy at DH's (academised) school puts DS at the top of the list, other than looked after children and those with a statement naming that school. I'd be quite happy for him to attend that school- although the hour journey each way may put him off.

I am getting the feeling of de ja vu.

EvilTwins Tue 31-Dec-13 18:08:39

I don't want my kids to go to the school I teach at for the following reasons:

1. I don't want them to be known as/picked on for being Mrs ET's kids.

2. I don't want colleagues to talk to me about my own kids in the staff room- I want to be treated like any other parent.

3. A thread on here not so long ago was very insistent that teachers' kids get all the main parts in plays/spots of school teams/house points because of who they are and not because of how good they are. I do not want to put myself or my kids through that. As the only drama teacher in a small secondary I don't want to deal with issues like whether or not my own DD deserves a role in a school show.

It's nothing to do with thinking the school isn't good enough and everything to do with those personal reasons we ALL make decisions based on.

educationforteachers Tue 31-Dec-13 18:10:00

Clam
why should a teacher get uptight by such a question?

if it is applicable then it will be what a lot of parents think

TheRaniOfYawn Tue 31-Dec-13 18:12:42

Most of the secondary teachers I know won't apply for a job at their catchment school. They prefer not to be surrounded by their teenaged pupils when buying tampons and laxatives, going on dates, at their local pub etc.

chibi Tue 31-Dec-13 18:18:42

i teach in a single sex school

one child could attend, the other would not be able to, at least until 6th form

also, i live out of catchment as i can't afford to live in catchment, so the whole single sex thing is a moot point

sorry for not having considered your needs more closely when i took this job, or when i got knocked up. either time.

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