Teachers Strike Using children as a weapon

(175 Posts)
Ruimon Sat 12-Oct-13 23:16:58

Teachers should not use children as a weapon for their politically motivated demands. Who pays teachers wages? Why have they got so much time to organize strikes? We have all had to forgo pay rises and reduced pensions due to the last government and the banking scandal, why should teachers be any different.

whendidyoulast Sun 13-Oct-13 19:20:34

I'm not quite sure that a day's strike is 'the ability for teachers to be able to turn children's education on and off like a light switch'.

Ruimon Sun 13-Oct-13 19:24:21

And there we have it "one days strike won't harm a child's education" excuse me? Excuse me? And " we don't want to work untill we are 67 or 68" . Numeracey and literacy , right we,ve all seen the results about where we stand. In the rest of the world exams raise standards, there needs to be more focus on teaching standards and less in training colleges , more parental choice and more discipline. The left wing orthodoxy that academic competition is an abuse of human rights holds sway, anyone who favors proper tougher exams and discipline is " shouted down". You cannot fool the populace by trying to protect a system that is failing. These are ideological strikes by the left wing dominated unions to protect their vantage point of being educators. Left=socialism=social engineering=undermine the cornerstones of civilized society, which are every human being able to raise to their fullest potential, I.e. taking proper academic subjects not politically correct children's entertainment, education, choice, law, religion and the family unit. The strike is immoral because it's selfish.

Strumpetron Sun 13-Oct-13 19:26:44

What propaganda have you been reading?

Strumpetron Sun 13-Oct-13 19:29:30

I can't see anything in your post that is relevant to the teachers going on strike. I see a lot of political wishywashy crap that has nothing to do with teachers working standards.

whendidyoulast Sun 13-Oct-13 19:30:14

I didn't say a day's strike wouldn't harm a child's education (although it won't) I said it's not exactly turning on and off children's education like a light switch.

But there's no point arguing calmly and rationally with someone who is not calm or rational.

Morgause Sun 13-Oct-13 19:30:51

I think t was American strumpetron from the incorrect spelling of "favour".

OP doesn't even make sense when copy and pasting.

biscuit

creamteas Sun 13-Oct-13 19:32:45

The left does not prevent people from reaching their potential, this is actually what it stands for.

The neo-liberal agenda of the right on the other hand takes resources from the many to give to the few, and ensures that those at the bottom have no chance of success.

Gosh, you are quite, er, cross.

like I said on the other thread you have not returned to, you really need to study how to present a logical train of thought, not string a random series of prejudices and exclamations together and expect them to form a coherent argument others can engage with.

So for the moment, I will leave you.

whendidyoulast Sun 13-Oct-13 19:34:45

'These are ideological strikes by the left wing dominated unions to protect their vantage point of being educators'

As opposed to teachers not wanting the 'vantage point of being educators'??

Does that sentence make any sort of sentence to anyone else?

Ruimon Sun 13-Oct-13 19:34:49

Capital K Marx

Strumpetron Sun 13-Oct-13 19:35:05

you really need to study how to present a logical train of thought, not string a random series of prejudices and exclamations together and expect them to form a coherent argument others can engage with.

GFT

whendidyoulast Sun 13-Oct-13 19:35:24

'sense' not 'sentence'.

It makes no sense.

creamteas Sun 13-Oct-13 19:36:05

insancerre It is difficult, but I manged to unionize a company of 7. Once everyone was a member, they had no option but to engage in collective bargaining

Strumpetron Sun 13-Oct-13 19:37:01

It sounds like a load of political buzzwords have been put into a tombola and plucked to form a sentence.

GFT?

Strumpetron Sun 13-Oct-13 19:38:00

Sorry QFT, Quoted For Truth, or Quite Fucking True as I prefer it.

Whogivesashit Sun 13-Oct-13 19:40:11

OP: you are quite frankly talking out your arse!

whendidyoulast Sun 13-Oct-13 19:40:47

'It sounds like a load of political buzzwords '

Or a bunch of Daily Mail headlines mixed up a bit.

ooh!

<<does happy, quite well-educated-dance-despite-being-educated-during-the-education-hating-union-stifled-seventies-and eighties>>

Strumpetron Sun 13-Oct-13 19:42:41

''It sounds like a load of political buzzwords '

Or a bunch of Daily Mail headlines mixed up a bit.'

with a bit of low level Sociology chucked in for good measure.

chosenone Sun 13-Oct-13 19:43:22

Go into a school and see what they are doing, achieving against the odds. If you want to bring left wing ideology into it and clearly you do as you seem to fit tge bill if a narrow minded right wing bigot. Socialism, sharing, opportunities for all. It isnt reallyba bad system in education, compared to survival of thw fittest (wealthiest) and yes compared to many countries education here does not fare well. Neither does teenagedrinking, teen prepregnancies, binge and drug culture, there are a lot of problems in this country and this is reflected in schools.

chosenone Sun 13-Oct-13 19:44:26

Ignore typos. Im not undereducated....just fingers and thumbs !!

plantsitter Sun 13-Oct-13 19:45:00

Not sure it's really worth replying to you as you seem to be raving at this point.

Teachers are striking over their own working conditions which quite obviously directly affect the children they teach.

Not only that, but they are striking over the fact that Gove seems to think he can disregard the opinions of many extremely learned, experienced teachers in deciding the new curriculum. Years of expertise about how learning happens and how children thrive is being ignored. I never really know what people mean about a strike being 'political' - what else would it be?- but I think teachers are demonstrating that this government's ridiculous treatment of teachers is at the detriment of our children's education.

I'm not a teacher, not that it matters.

whendidyoulast Sun 13-Oct-13 19:48:41

I'd say teacher bashing is not really that helpful for education either.

But then these teachers are getting a bit above themselves what with our shocking wish to 'protect our vantage point as educators'!

Not quite sure what Ruimon thinks we should be doing if not educating and also who might educate kids if not teachers!

Perhaps we shouldn't bother with these hotbeds of radicalism known as schools at all and just shove all the kids back up the chimneys.

ipadquietly Sun 13-Oct-13 19:49:10

ruimon" we don't want to work untill we are 67 or 68"

I said no such thing. I'm sure that most teachers would love to work until they're 67 or 68. The problem is that the job is physically and mentally exhausting. You teach a class of tigger-like 4 year olds for the day (half inside, half outside), break up arguments, plan the work, assess the children continuously, clear up sick/wee/poo, TEACH them; and then attend a staff meeting... when you're 68 years old.

You have to keep going all the time when you're a teacher. You can't just sit down and let the kids get on with it.

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