What is the cost...

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TigerBabyyy Sun 29-Sep-13 16:53:28

Of private primary schools in lancashire north west area?

Are there alot of extra things you have to pay for?

Norudeshitrequired Mon 30-Sep-13 14:39:15

Your going to think im a right snob for saying this but...

I don't think you are a snob at all. Our own childhood experiences shape the decisions that we make for our own children. Somebody who has had an awful state school experience or not met their academic potential in state school is more likely to want something different for their own children if they can afford it. Of course there are lots of people who despite a poor experience themselves are set against private school for a variety of reasons, but it doesn't make you a snob in the slightest way.

Somethingyesterday Mon 30-Sep-13 14:39:35

OP If you're in the NW you can begin to build on your daughter's innate brilliance with very little expense (ok some expense...) Right from now.

Have you looked on the Bridgewater Hall's website? Book tickets for the Family Christmas Carols. Lovely for a one year old.

The John Rylands Library usually has something similar - may be free.

Manchester Art Gallery has an interactive kids' area. Take her next year - and keep taking her to see more and more.

Manchester Museum ditto.

The Whitworth Gallery + lovely outdoor space and cafe.

Next year take her to Manchester Museum of Science and Industry.

Sign up to the Royal Northern College of Music mailing list. Get into the habit of going as often as you can.

Leeds Art Gallery?

Tropical World - Leeds?

The Grand Theatre?

West Yorkshire Playhouse?

I could go on... Honestly OP - You can get endless advice here on schools - I second most of what's already been posted. But wherever you send her to school, it's the sort of things listed above that will make the crucial difference in the early, early, early years. Don't wait. Don't think "she's too young for that" or "she won't sit still, " or whatever. You're really lucky to live where you do - expose her to all the good stuff and you can be far more confident in your school choice later on. And she will get far more out of her formal education because of what you have done and continue to do.

Somethingyesterday Mon 30-Sep-13 14:43:00

I missed out The Royal Exchange Theatre! (Magical at any age.) And all of Liverpool!

Somethingyesterday Mon 30-Sep-13 14:48:33

In fact - if you're anywhere near Salford Quays (Lowry, Imperial War Museum North) she will scarcely need school at all.smile

TigerBabyyy Mon 30-Sep-13 15:06:06

Many thanks for all the tips on places to go!

Somethingyesterday Mon 30-Sep-13 16:55:52

OP Don't know where you are in the NW - but I would hope you have good transport links?

What I'm going to say may well sound patronising - it isn't meant to be. But it is the absolute truth and anyone who says different is simply wrong. The single most important factor in your daughter's educational future (given the obvious basics) is that she sees you eagerly embracing learning in your own life. I don't mean formal learning necessarily - but reading, and wanting to hear new music, always heading off to the galleries and museums in a new town, (I would have said never bypassing a bookshop or library - but good luck with that...) questioning the TV news, talking, talking, talking.

Involve her in your interests; it's great if you have the support of other adults who care about her intellectual / cultural development and want to show her "their" world - whether it be hill walking or church architecture or 21st century opera....

Lecture over. I also agree that, particularly at nursery/infant level you might find more benefit (and of course it's easy to say....) in moving to an area with a fair selection of decent state schools - rather than living in a less desirable (school) area and paying to "bus her out." Because little children are so shaped by their immediate environment. By the time she's perhaps 6 or 7 you'd have a much better idea of her interests and potential and can make an informed choice about what to do next.

HmmAnOxfordComma Mon 30-Sep-13 18:20:23

I second and third and fourth everything said by Somethingyesterday.

And that said by others about looking at your local schooling options and not assuming too much about what schools are like now based on your own schooling experiences.

However, to strictly answer your OP about fees: I would also be very surprised if they weren't listed on the schools' websites. They are on every one I've ever looked at - usually under 'admissions'. Around here, pre- and prep fees are usually between £3k - £4k per term (Midlands) and senior fees are from £4K per term. These do include books and lunches etc.

If your dh thinks £2k per term is expensive, I'll think you/he will have a bit of a shock. School fees also rise a lot every year (usually more than your wages!) so it's a HUGE financial commitment (especially for more than one child).

I would focus on looking at your local state primaries and seeing if you might need to move soon, doing all the lovely things suggested above with your dd, and concentrate on saving up for secondary fees, in case you still feel it really is necessary when the time comes round.

NoComet Mon 30-Sep-13 19:02:01

£22 for a primary school skirt not a £5 in Tesco, 1/2 again as I pay for private music lessons for DS1, way more than that if your state school has a subsidised scheme.

No free school buses, SN help ~£40 an hour. Trips heaven knows. Older DCs have enough logo'd PE kit to start a shop. Private education is very expensive.

Some of our local schools start looking doable at 2500 a term, but it goes up rapidly and senior school is ~£4500.

DD1's DF goes to private school and I've done the sums many times, we can't afford it and even if we just could I wouldn't.

Yes it's very nice, but I'm not convinced that DF hasn't just got the exactly the same very good, but not stella GCSE results she would have got at the local decent comp.

Inclusionist Tue 01-Oct-13 10:38:03

Which school are you thinking of? I bet we can find the fees for you. grin

My family have been looking for a school in the NW and have lots of prospectuses. I could check for you? It's probably easiest just to phone the registrar though and ask for info to be sent.

The quality of independent schools vary and much as the quality of state schools. If you post your possibilities on here there will be people who know the schools, or just know about schools, who will comment!

lunar1 Tue 01-Oct-13 11:34:28

I went to look at schools, state and private when ds1 was about the same age as your dd. I knew instantly which one I liked.

TigerBabyyy Tue 01-Oct-13 11:50:45

Its bury prep school. There fees are not on their admissions link at all.

I did find the fees on an education website though

Their uniform is awful

Unexpected Tue 01-Oct-13 11:57:38

Instead of worrying about the uniform at the moment, I think you need to check whether you meet their admissions policy first! Are your children baptised Catholic?

TigerBabyyy Tue 01-Oct-13 11:59:21

No but there is a big sign outside saying all faiths welcome

Inclusionist Tue 01-Oct-13 12:07:48

Wow, they really have buried the fees haven't they?? They'd rather tell you the school's policy on calculations than how much it costs!! grin It looks pretty tiny, I's be considering how financially secure it is.

Have you considered Bolton School? They'll almost certainly have a bus to Bury and the uniform is less terrifying. They have an open day on the 12th you could go to (it is where my nephew is going for Reception in Sept). They have a nursery too which my DB and SIL have been pleased with.

TigerBabyyy Tue 01-Oct-13 12:17:53

See it wasnt me just not looking properly grin

Bury prep has been there a long time.

Didnt think about bolton due to traffic every morning and in the afternoon.

Inclusionist Tue 01-Oct-13 12:20:31

ISI report for Bury reads well though!

Norudeshitrequired Tue 01-Oct-13 12:28:14

I did find the fees on an education website though

The fees listed on the education websites are not always up to date. I have found they are often way different than the current fees.

OP - it does look like the fees are not on the website. Email the school bursar and ask for a school brochure and a list of current fees.

BlackMogul Tue 01-Oct-13 12:43:40

Generally in my area you pay more for prep schools that offer more! If they get children into the top academic senior schools, with scholarships, they will be more expensive because of specialist teaching. Other schools that feed into less well known schools or back into the state system at 11 will probably be cheaper. I am not sure I would choose this type of school over a great local primary. Some less good independent prep schools do not have particularly great sport, music, drama etc so you need to evaluate what you are paying for. The best prep schools do everything very well and have lots of bright children so you need to choose the school which is the best fit. Prep schools tend to have lots of activities after school too so suit working families very well. Round my way you will be looking at £18,000 a year for year 8 for the best. We have done a mixture of state and independent and there was a huge difference in class size, specialist teaching and facilities at the independent prep school. The teaching of maths and English was surprisingly, not that different. There were very bright children in both schools but the independent school gave additional opportunities which were not matched by the state school. In the less academic prep schools, the parents are not looking towards top boarding schools, but want entry to a local independent secondary. The parents in the top prep schools are wanting Eton, Harrow, Wycombe Abbey etc so the market, and pricing, is different to reflect the aims and likely finances of the parents as well as the teaching requirements of the children.

Norudeshitrequired Tue 01-Oct-13 12:46:58

Manchester grammar, manchester high and withington girls schools all trump eton and harrow in the results tables and are all priced well below most of the schools int he south including eton and harrow. The idea that you get what you pay for is true to an extent but there is vast regional difference in fee structure.

If a school is a charity its always worth looking at their accounts on the Charity Commission website. It gives some useful information about the school in the report and you can check their financial position.

apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends80/0000509280_AC_20120831_E_C.pdf

Somethingyesterday Tue 01-Oct-13 13:10:58

Have you looked at:

Bury Grammar, Girls?

The boys' junior school has a reputation for being friendly and nurturing. Might be worth looking at the girls' purely for comparison?

BlackMogul Tue 01-Oct-13 13:13:48

People who want top boarding schools, with the chance of a scholarship, go to the top prep schools. No rude... I know other schools may be higher up league tables, but the ones you quote are not boarding. At my DDs old prep, 50% went to either Wycombe Abbey or Cheltenham Ladies. It is not all about league tables,it is about which boarding school suits. That is why the aims of the school and parents will dictate fees to some extent and there are regional differences in this.

Norudeshitrequired Tue 01-Oct-13 14:17:39

Black mogul - I am aware they are not boarding. But even if we compare the top day schools in the south east to the top day schools in the north west there isn't a direct correlation between higher fees and better results.

Somethingyesterday Wed 02-Oct-13 21:04:18

TigerB have you managed to look at any alternative schools online? Or had any further thoughts on how best to proceed?

ilikesweetpeas Thu 03-Oct-13 10:39:31

Please can I hijack and ask if anyone knows anything about Scarisbrick Hall School? Just that if people on here know about independent schools in NW I would be interested in finding out what parents think of this school, particularly for Y5 and older. Thanks

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