Grammar school in special measures

(59 Posts)
muminlondon Wed 11-Sep-13 07:22:05

The new Ofsted regime is tough indeed. Will the school need a sponsor if it is a converter academy?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-24029830

Bonsoir Sat 14-Sep-13 07:27:27

Academic qualifications both teach transferable skills and also act as a guarantee to others, even when the subject is seemingly unrelated to the job.

soul2000 Sat 14-Sep-13 14:16:32

Although i agree wholeheartedly with what Talkinpeace is saying about the country needing all those vocational skills that she quotes. If you had a academically bright child it would take an icreadible leap of faith to encourage them to go down the vocational route.

The only time you could possible encourage a academically bright child, to go down the vocational route, would be if the company offered an aprenticeship. The aprenticeship that when completed, would give a automatic mangerial job with a world leading company.

It is because of the "APARTHEID" within the educational system, that means nobody with an academic child will consider a vocational way forward if they dont have to. People on this site debate intensely the
fairness of the 11+ system this academic/vocational way is in fact a 16+.

Over the years i have seen people with Masters degrees who are useless
and people with no qualifications who are brilliant. As i have said unless the person without academic qualifictions is lucky or starts a succesful business. The useless person with the Masters will be 3 times more succesful, than the brilliant person without qualifications. I am very sad about that, but that is the truth. That is the reason why although i agree very much with Talkinpeace about needing kids with vocational
skills i could never encourage my niece/newphew to go down the vocational route.

soul2000 Sat 14-Sep-13 14:19:02

Incredible leap of faith.

Talkinpeace Sat 14-Sep-13 20:06:29

soul2000
you have managed to leap headlong at the wrong end of the stick again.

Why on earth would anybody push an academically able child towards a vocational angle
in the same way that it would be daft to do the opposite.

Vocational jobs are for the non academic - of whom there are many.
I do their accounts.
I have chaps who earn upwards of £40k a year hanging off the side of buildings.
Others who are great at plumbing / electrics / carpentry : but deliver every finance type envelope to me still sealed.
I have a client who specialises in trompe l'oiel paintwork in commercial buildings - but he's thick as pigshit (I tell him to to his face and he still loves me)
And the lovely Danny - never happier than in a hole. Illiterate. On £30k a year.

Sadly, too many families who deal only in selective schools
(I've been at Goodwood today - nearly had a gutful of the over priveledged)
cannot comprehend the non academic mindset.
You need to get out more.

Really thick people think differently.
And once you get used to it, you see its uses, but segregating "bright" kids from "thick" kids from the age of 8 (prep schools) is a real factor in the UKs relative economic decline - those "in power" genuinely have no comprehension of the thought patterns of a good chunk of the country.

soul2000 Sat 14-Sep-13 21:08:47

Talkinpeace. Were you dressed up in 1950s or 1960s public school wear?

I used to go. Used to being the word before "STRUCTURE DEBT SUNK ME" Own fault. You are right though about the public school/pimms drinking set of which many of the goverment belong, really being clueless as to how 90% of the population live or think.

Talking about people making money who have not got a clue. I have a friend who owns 40 houses, he does not know what "Square footage" is. he does not know the difference between council tax or corporation tax. He also has a Letting business and he just makes the prices up out of his head yet he seems to get lucky every time.

soul2000 Sat 14-Sep-13 21:13:56

P.S. He went to a public school.......

ProphetOfDoom Sat 14-Sep-13 21:45:03

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finefatmama Fri 27-Sep-13 01:41:44

the picture in the newspiece shows a white building with a blue sign in the background which belongs to the school they share the site with. Bishop of Rochester Academy has higher than average fsm, higher than average EAL and 2 years ago, the 3rd worst results in the country. last year they excluded the eal results from the calculation and were able to demonstrate a significant improvement as result. BoRA was graded satisfactory as well.
Both schools are consistently undersubscribed because most people do not rate the area. CBS boys tend to come in on coaches from a fair way away while the BoRA kids are from the estates nearby. it's interesting how two very different schools with significantly different profiles can occupy the same space.

ProphetOfDoom Fri 27-Sep-13 07:18:30

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