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Since when have open toed sandals been a H&S issue?(85 Posts)
I went everywhere on Saturday to buy my dd some open toed sandals as her shoes are too small and, espceially in this hot weather, I wanted her to have some cooling footwear. I suppose the lack of many school type sandals should have told me something, but I merely assumed everyone else had beaten me to it.
Then today, dd, who is normally so bubbly and full of life, came out of school looking dejected. Apparently school friends have been horrid and shouting at her today as she was wearing the "wrong" shoe.
A talk with the teacher revealed that open toed sandals are banned as a H&S issue - apparently, toes might get trodden on! With all the diplomacy and maturity that I do not possess, I told the teacher I thought that was nonsense. I still do. She said that it was pretty much a universal rule in schools these days. Well, all I can say is, it wasn't when I was a teacher.
Since getting home I have looked up the school prospectus, and, in fairness to them, it does say no open toed or open heeled shoes to be worn (dd's are both!) but can I really be expected to remember that when I read the prospectus 16 months ago?
Anyway, I have told the teacher that dd will be wearing the offending articles for the remainder of term as I can't take them back to the shop now and I can't afford to buy her another pair of shoes.
What does everyone else think about the banning of open toed sandals? How many people who grew up like me in the 70s remember toes being crushed in the playground as a result of open toed sandals being worn? Isn't it a health issue to allow feel to breathe as much as possible in this hot weather? I couldn't help but notice that the teacher I spoke to was herself wearing open toed sandals, a was I and every other woman I saw in the playground!
eeww piffle what an awful story!
Pretty Candles, excellent point about shorts. I will remember that one if the head gets involved. I am hoping, now that the children have had their say (again I agree with you PC that the children have no right to tell my dd off, but they do so yesterday) then nothing more will be said. But just in case it does go further, I will enjoy mentioning the point you made about shorts. Thank you!
DS is wearing his usual school shoes to school and quite happily. Out of school we have a battle whereby he wants to wear his trainers all the time (just in case he needs to play football) and I try to get him to wear his sandals.
DD has closed heel, open toe sandals and doodles. I always send her to nursery in the doodles because I have noticed that she does tend to trip more in her sandals.
Do primary schools really not have chemistry labs, home ec rooms or woodwork facilities? Mine certainly had all three (though they did get rid fo the woodwork/metalwork one) and the ones I have seen recently have had one particular classroom assigned to that subject as well as being a general classroom.
I personally feel that young feet should be well supported in a sturdy shoe, my issue is not so much with open toes but with open backs. It's OK for the beach but when a child is wearing them all day, every day for school they are not good.
Well my children's school does not have chemical labs or woodwork rooms or anything of that nature. I can't speak for anyone else's.
Could I just point out that none of my children wear their shoes day in day out. They put them on at 8:30 to go to school and take them off at 3:30 when they get home.
Really Dumbledoresgirl. How do they do practical science then. I know there is a move to less specialist teachers and more general but I owuld have thought they had to have some practical facilities.
They are only primary school children. Dd is 6.
But surely the facilities are there for the older children years 5 and 6 (aged 9-11)
I suspect this a a completely different thread.
No I really don't think the school has woodwork or chemistry type labs. I guess they might do a bit of cooking but I don't know where. In the year mine have been there, I can't recall any of them (they are now in Yrs 5, 3, and 1 so they cover all sections of the school age range) doing anything like that.
When I taught (Primary, mainly Yrs 5 and 6) we did do a tiny bit of woodwork but it was in the class's own room, not anywhere special.
Not one of the infant schools or primary schools that I have visited since starting to look at schools for ds had any of those rooms. In both of the schools he has attended the Reception children did some cooking, but either the teacher brought a portable stove into the classroom, or they took their ingredients into the staffroom.
My children also only wear shoes when they go out-of-doors, and I don't think that a good, well-fitting pair of sturdy Clarks sandals give poor support. I remember my brother and me kicking footballs, skipping, scooting and cycling in open-toed and open-heeled sandals all summer long. We even did it barefoot! We picked up plenty of bumps and scrapes along the way, but never did any damage.
If ds says he wants to wear closed shoes because he finds it more comfortable for football, or some such thing, then fair enough. But I really think this is taking H&S too far - and it's not just schools: did you see something in the paper this weekend, about Torquay or Torbay council considering that palm trees were dangerous because the pointy leaves might poke someone in the eye - fgs what is the world coming to!
There is definately a home ec kitchen in the primary school we hire.
I guess facilities vary from school to school.
I'm totally with you DG. What a ridiculous contortion of risk perception. How outreageous that because of this madness our childrens feet must be bound in leather in hot temperatures.
I have also never ever heard of primary schools with chemistry labs- I can't imagine how they would use chemistry labs properly at that age. I have obviously led a sheltered life. Your poor dd, DG. That brought tears to my eyes, her lining up her shoes and being told off about them.
Sorry to hear about your dd being ticked off by the rest of the class DG
Must admit, having witnessed an incident a bit like what happened to Piffle's ds at primary school, am OK with ds' school policy of no open-toed/open-heeled sandals in school.
It was carnage You would not think there would be so much blood in one toe. I know these incidents are rare but the memory of it has stayed with me for over 30 years.
And the nearest contact ds and co are likely to have with chemicals tbh are when they have school trips and hence a packed lunch, and it is a cheese-string and peperami fest . I wouldn't want one of those on my child's bare skin!
My son broke his nose as a 6yo because the front of his open-toed sandal caught under a mat the kids sit on during assembly. He really went down hard and managed to miss the mat entirely catching his face on the metal side of the teachers chair.
The sandals were brand new and the teacher had told me just that morning that they weren't actually standard issue.
A few years later when I was roped in to do a stint of lunchtime playwork, I saw plenty of kids hobbling because they couldn't kick a football in sandals. Didn't seem to stop the daft ones from trying though.
I think that the schools are right in this decision. Could your little girl at least wear cheapo plimsolls for breaktime?
I'm sure when I was in NZ in the 70s, our "summer" uniform included (open toed) sandals. Don't remember any H&S issues - and as this was Scondary School, we would also have been going to chemistry classes.
Dd does have plimsols at school (for PE) which shw could wear if they really wanted her to although personally, I think her feet are in better footwear when she wears her sandals than when she wears plimsols. but if they insist, I would rather that than buy her more shoes or have her toews trodden on.
We are asked not to send the kids into school in open toed sandels as they have too manu accidents wearing them.
In senior school they are banned in labs and work shops etc for valid reasons.
BTW while we are talking H&S, ds1 has broken his arm 3 times, twice at school and one of those occasions was when he tripped on the play equipment in the playground and hit the wooden surround that holds in the "safety" bark chippings. One could argue that if there had been no chippings and no frame, he would not have broken it (or not as badly as he did anyway)
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No open toe shoes at our primary school - for students and staff. We spend break times encouraging the students to be physically active, so I wouldn't like to see them wearing sandals. Personally, I'd actually prefer them in a decent pair of sneakers/trainers rather than the traditional leather school shoes.
Children who live in hot climates wear sandals to school. Not really comparable though as the UK doesn't usually have prolonged spells of really hot weather. Isn't it all a mute point anyway? Aren't you all in the middle of school hols?
My DD wears sandals - but it doesn't go much 30 degrees in the day here for at least 6 months of the year. She has lived to tell the tale - so have her brothers and all their toes.
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