Schools should 'provide sleepovers' to help parents with cost of childcare

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Speechless.

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 20:51:06

I don't see the teachers taking extra hours,they claim they're overburdened as it is
The govt could get the kids gainfully working on a piece rate whilst detained
Sure to go down a treat

MrButtercat Tue 16-Jul-13 20:52:08

Jesus do the needs of children just not really matter anymore?

sad

MrButtercat Tue 16-Jul-13 20:53:37

It wouldn't be teachers it would be underpaid,poorly trained,young staff in a concrete building said children had been in all day.

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 20:54:31

Well,it's cost effective and many willing to do it
Great idea

IwishIwasmoreorganised Tue 16-Jul-13 20:55:29

This is nuts! Madness!

And Tasmania believe it or not I do work in a professional job and manage to fit it around school hours (I know that I'm very lucky) so it can be done. Our school don't offer breakfast or after school clubs either.

As parents we make a decision to have children and that involves bringing them up - ourselves, not farming them out to whoever offers the longest hours of care at the cheapest prices.

exoticfruits Tue 16-Jul-13 20:56:40

Children need to be with their parents.
It is madness for people to be against boarding schools and then want to leave their child at school overnight.
People couldn't afford if. I would be happy to provide the service but I would want paying for unsociable hours.

exoticfruits Tue 16-Jul-13 20:57:39

Where are the beds going as a matter of interest?

Portofino Tue 16-Jul-13 20:59:25

But that article isn't all about sleep overs , more that school buildings are used for per/after school,clubs and holiday clubs. I am in Belgium and that is exactly what they do here. Plus they employ students through the holidays, extra staff though the school term and holidays. Sleepovers might be pushing it, but the rest, heck affordable childcare is the main factor in letting parents who want to work.

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 20:59:48

Bunk beds,all compressed together
In a concrete brutalist building with whey faced nmw teenagers
That's what you all expect

Portofino Tue 16-Jul-13 21:00:02

The HEADLINE was about a sleepovers.

MrButtercat Tue 16-Jul-13 21:00:13

Oh there wouldn't be beds,blow up mattresses on the floor I suspect.Say they didn't get a good nights sleep,they'd be shite the next day.

MrButtercat Tue 16-Jul-13 21:02:18

Well lets face it they aint going to be hiring Norland nannies and kitting out 4* sleeping quarters when the emphasis is on the word affordable.

The needs of children need to come first. Not the needs of businesses. What a sad state of affairs...

Wasn't it in Eastern Germany, just after the war, that mothers were encouraged to leave their children in a childcare / education setting from 6am until 8 pm in order to effectively be 'raised by the state'? (although the idea was sold to them in a 'how wonderful you can now go out to work' way...)

Is that what we want for our children?

My dc love school. But they are happy to have a change of scene every afternoon and evening. I would imagine that for them to be there till 6pm most days would drive them mad...
(and no, this proposed scheme is not comparable to a boarding school, which for a large part is a way of life with adequate facilities and a separate boarding house away from the actual educational rooms and thus providing a complete change of scene on a daily basis...)

Crap idea sad

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 21:04:51

Well neither does ft nursery have ft norland nannies
Extended school day is great idea,which i dont expect teachers to support
Good to see the tired ole cliches trotted out any suggestion of extending school

MrButtercat Tue 16-Jul-13 21:07:02

Because it's a shit idea and bad for children.

Would you like to be tied to a crappy poorly designed school building 24/7 because I wouldn't.

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 21:10:19

Your heavy on hyperbole but light on a coherent answer,exaggeration for effect
School day is simply not fit for purpose,it does need extending if sufficient demand
I already use extended childcare til 6pm,as do many parents,I'm amenable to extended day

Extended school is NOT a good idea purely because to keep children confined to the same four walls (and same playground and same view) for extended periods of time is surely not good for them...

(and it cannot be compared to nurseries where dc are younger and thus less aware of their outside world, and where the facilities are set up for play, sleep, social interaction etc.

Schools are set up for learning. And no matter how fun you make the after-school activities, they are still taking place in the classroom with maps and examples of work on the wall, with reminders about homework and grammar rules, with school desks and school equipment.
It will still feel and look and smell like a school.
Which means the child does not get a break from that environment no matter how well-planned the after-school activity is.

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 21:13:10

It is a v good ideas it realistically meets need of working parents,I expect teachers to dislike it
The school day isn't fit for purpose it is antiquated and does need revision
There won't be compulsion to use extended day,if you want to use its optional

Bunbaker Tue 16-Jul-13 21:15:42

"Erm... hello?!?

Are all the naysayers on this thread HOUSEWIVES?!? Or not living in the MODERN WORLD?!?

How I wish I could be a Doris Day-like SAHM!!!

My (female) colleagues and I have been discussing schools, and everyone agreed that school that ends at 3pm does not really bode well for a parents' career (mostly the mother's)!!! If there was a school offering this kind of stuff, we'd all be supporting this in an instant."

So you get childminder that does school pick up - they do exist. Simple.

But will children think it is a good idea? Or do they not matter?

It is not about teachers not liking it, they won't be the one running the extended day, they already work until 6pm so could not fit it in.
Nothing to do with the teachers.

I work in a school. I can confidently say that it is not fit for after school care. It does not have the facilities. Most state schools are barely fit for educating, let alone anything else. I know that most pupils are glad to leave the building at 3pm for a change of scene. I would imagine most children would rather go to a child minder than stay at school until 6pm every day...

I agree there is a need for extended child care, but extending the school day is not the way to go.

Feenie Tue 16-Jul-13 21:16:48

Exactly - what do you think working teachers do?

merrymouse Tue 16-Jul-13 21:17:43

Do occasional sleepovers really help with child care?

I think a financially viable model already exists for sleeping over on a more regular basis - boarding school. However the clue is that they are generally private and quite expensive.

The thing that stops your average state school being like a boarding school is not red tape, it is money.

MadBannersAndCopPorn Tue 16-Jul-13 21:18:19

So if the school day were extended does that mean that all the parents that want to see their children at 3pm can't?
Does it mean they eat their evening meal and do their homework at school without parental input?
When would the younger ones see their parents?
Again, the list goes on...

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 21:19:34

School is a good location and setting for extended day,and another option to cm
Govt should be supporting working parents,and utilising existing school as potential base
It wont be compulsory if doesn't meet your requirements don't use it

scottishmummy Tue 16-Jul-13 21:22:03

It's not enforced gulag it's option of extended day on school premises
If you don't want to use the extended day you'll not be compelled to
But it's a useful option for working parents,and may mean women not shoehorned into pt to it schoolday

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