League table of Ex Poly's ?

(105 Posts)
Gunznroses Sun 21-Apr-13 18:00:23

I have no dc of university age, but i've been wondering, its been a few good yrs now since all poly's were upgraded to Uni's. Does anyone think that we might be seeing the emergence of a few climbing up the hierarchy ladder of status, maybe even entering Russell Group in future ? Oxford Brooke's in particular seems to be coming up a lot with youngsters who couldn't get into Oxford or Cambridge.

Even if RG is not on the card's which ex poly's would you say are higly rated at the moment ?

lemaladeimaginaire Sun 21-Apr-13 18:05:11

Well, I do hope my alma mater is still at the very bottom of all known leagues. Thames Valley Uni, since you ask. grin

Gunznroses Sun 21-Apr-13 18:14:35

gringringrin up TVU!

Bunbaker Sun 21-Apr-13 18:19:37

My old one - Leeds Poly, now Leeds Metropolitan is at number 95 grin on here

Gunznroses Sun 21-Apr-13 18:33:19

Bunbaker - cause for celebration ? grin poor old Bolton sad. The Positions of most of the ex poly's on that table is so bad you can't cry even.

Gunznroses Sun 21-Apr-13 18:39:52

Also noticed Leeds is vying for that special position with the University of Creative Arts grin blimey who are they ? <wipes tears of laughter>

titchy Sun 21-Apr-13 19:17:33

U creative arts are an amalgamation of Surrey and Kent institutes of art and design. TVU is now university of west London. Some ex poly in middle of table, Manchester met, uni of west of England, Oxford brookes.

Gerrof Sun 21-Apr-13 19:20:56

My local university (loucestersire) used to languish at the bottom of the scale, but has improved now I see.

How are these crappy universities going to survive in the age of tuition fees? Nobody will waste money on a degree from a poor institution will they? DD made some mumblings about Gloucestershire and I told her to forget it.

wineoclocktimeyet Sun 21-Apr-13 20:13:52

YAY - go Plymouth 63rd - and no I didnt go there just because the ratio of men to women was 7:3 and it was by the seaside smile

titchy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:48:46

U arts London, Oxford Brooke's and Herts all better than goldsmiths (94 group)!

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings

Does anyone know who and what decides what institutions can be a R.G university?

gerrof Some former poly's aren't 'crappy' angry

PhyllisDoris Sun 21-Apr-13 21:16:57

Birmingham City 66grin

titchy Sun 21-Apr-13 21:35:56

RG - institution / vice chancellor makes it known they're interested in joining. RG committee decides whether to offer them an invitation. In theory anyway! In reality the VC's influence who theyre mates with decides!

wonderingagain Sun 21-Apr-13 21:42:10

Oh that's good to know that RG means bog all and is just a random hierarchy!

PCL no.73 this year

creamteas Sun 21-Apr-13 22:16:58

The RG group were formed after the VCs of some of the biggest universities started meeting in the Russel Hotel (hence Russel Group) in London about collective lobbying of Government about potential cuts to research funding. The informal meetings later became a formal organisation.

They nominated themselves and membership has never had included any assessment of quality either of research or teaching!

Gerrof Mon 22-Apr-13 11:30:54

southeast no I know not all former polys are crap - some of them are great (dd considering UWE for instance) but some of them are rubbish. What would be the point of forking out for a degree in Football Studies at Southampton Solent for instance (I know someone who did and has regretted it).

Portofino Mon 22-Apr-13 11:39:36

I went to Newcastle Poly - now Northumbria Uni. It seems that it has the best Student Union in the country grin. Also interesting to find from that link that I was there at the same time as Jonathan Ive who designed the iPhone. He seems to be doing considerably better than me grin

Gunznroses Mon 22-Apr-13 15:55:11

Creamteas that's very interesting. However Durham only joined recently didn't they ? wonder what the criteria was for them.
since its now a formal organisation, they must have a constitution.

Gunznroses Mon 22-Apr-13 15:57:27

Gerrof -aha! but it would still be 'crap' even if they forked out for Football Studies at Oxford! but I suppose crap course and crap uni is a double whammy.

The RG is just a lobbying group. There are plenty of great universities that aren't in it.

Tbh, it's a bit pointless talking of universities as a whole anyway as the different departments and degree programmes within them will be very different. Not all departments are equal and pretty much every university has some duff departments and some better ones (although the duff departments in high ranking universities are probably better than the duff departments in the universities at the bottom of the tables). Even low ranking universities might have some really great degree programmes or research groups; they're just pulled down by the rest of the university.

So, I'd say it really depends on what they want to study and what their particular interests within that are.

And universities come in more than just RG and ex-polys. There are all manner of ways to group them, and other ways that they group and position themselves for their own nefarious purposes.

There are plenty of decent universities out there that aren't RG branded.

Gunznroses Mon 22-Apr-13 16:12:40

Arbitraryy - Yes i totally agree.

Lilymaid Mon 22-Apr-13 16:16:38

However Durham only joined recently didn't they ? wonder what the criteria was for them.

Didn't Durham fail to turn up at the original meeting that set up the Russell Group (at the Russell Hotel in London)? Perhaps someone turned up this time? Exeter also admitted at same time as Durham. Originally RG was only for the large research based universities, so many good universities weren't large enough - e.g. St Andrews, York etc.

titchy Mon 22-Apr-13 16:27:49

Originally large research intensive - yes (plus the LSE!!!)

titchy Mon 22-Apr-13 16:28:22

Oh and Warwick was both RG and 94 group for many years!!!

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