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Southbank International School in London(10 Posts)
Does anyone know how Southbank International ranks in academic performance compared to The American School in London or ACS International Hillingdon? All i see is what they post, but was looking for more info on how good they are... Any info is welcome!! Tks
ASL does AP exams, whereas Southbank does IB, so a bit difficult to compare. If you google IB schools UK you can compare the results of Southbank, ACS and other IB schools.
ASL is very difficult to get into.
ASL offers the American programme throughout the school. It is very difficult to gain entry into and is the most sought after international school in London. Its admissions policy is slightly bizarre because it is a mixed ability school so the "top" candidates are not necessarily selected but there also seems to be no clear indication as to why one student will be selected over another. Factors like siblings at the school, company the family are being relocated by, etc, tend to play a role but they keep their reasons for selection to themselves. Politics plays a role no doubt, especially as it is a non-profit school and they have big donors.
Southbank offers a totally different curriculum - the IB, which is no less or better then the American programme, just different, so it's really a matter of personal choice. The Diploma Programme of the IB (16-18 years), however, is generally considered more rigorous and challenging than the American High School Diploma (even when taking into account the Advanced Placement (AP) programme). Some of the more selective British schools now offer the IB Diploma alongside A Levels, and tend to usher their stronger students towards the IB, as the more 'elite' universities tend to select IB Diploma students with a strong diploma score over students with strong A Level scores.
ACS Hillingdon offers an integrated curriculum in their Primary School (i.e. American, Primary Years Programme of the IB, and British National Curriculum), the Middle Years Programme of the IB in their Middle School and a choice of either the IB Diploma or American High School Diploma at High School - they tend to 'encourage' their more able students to pursue the IB and their 'weaker' students towards the American High School Diploma. In a way, they offer greater choice at the High School level than either Southbank or ASL, and the best of both worlds.
In terms of the 'hierarchy' of the three schools you refer to, ASL is #1. ASL are considered 'leaders' in the world of international education and with good reason. Everything from the quality of their teachers to curriculum and leadership is strong. It is not just difficult for a student to gain entry but also for teachers to land teaching roles! It is non-profit so there are no 'compromises' in terms of quality. Their results are strong across the board. Read the latest Ofsted report - it is glowing.
Southbank is considered a very good school but it is considered "ASL's car park" and even their staff members attest to this statement. Many students attend Southbank as they wait for places to become available at ASL. Southbank is profit run - part of the Cognita group - so there are lot of compromises for the sake of profit (Cognita is a subdivision of a private equity firm). It is very selective at Diploma Programme level so they have a strong record at this stage of the IB. The school was in the press a few years ago due to unrest amongst the parent body about Cognita's management of the school. Parents have since started their own non-profit IB school, as they claimed that Cognita had changed the heart of the IB at Southbank and were trying to turn it into a British school. Many families and staff members have left since Cognita took over...
ACS Hillingdon is also a profit run school but is run 'more ethically' than Southbank. They are transparent about their profits. If ACS was based in central London, it is likely that ASL would have strong competition but their location in the suburbs (albeit a stunning campus) is the primary reason families tend to choose ASL (ASL is more central). The morale at ACS is strong amongst both staff and families so that speaks volume about the experience for both students and staff.
I hope the above provides a good starting point for your decision. Am happy to answer any further questions if you require further information.
I find this ranking really bizarre, Southbank has far superior IB results and university placements. ACS sends hardly anyone to Ivy League. Are you sure they are considered better than Southbank?
does anyone have any experience with the bussing system for ACS Hillingdon from central London to and from the school? I would welcome any comments on how this works- travel time, convenience, etc. Also, for Southbank International school what are the extracurricular offerings and sports teams etc at the Middle years .
Thanks for your opinion HHM. Very helpful. I am trying to get information for schools in London for my middle school daughter. We would like to live in London, but my daughter was wait listed at ASL. I had not considered busing her out of the city to ACS for school, but will look into that. Is Southbank as difficult to get into as ASL? I would love any thoughts on this transition. There is very little information available on line. Thanks!
My 7th grader was just wait pooled at ASL. Can anyone suggest an alternative school in addition to Southbank. I would be eternally grateful since we move from California to Central London in June. I am getting a bit worried.
have a look at the new Halcyon School on Marble Arch as well, it starts from 6th grade and the head is a former Southbank head.
We are considering a move from Santa Clara, CA to Central London in June as well. Were are you in CA? We have a 9th grade girl, 7th grade girl and 5th grade boy. I am just beginning the school research and would love to compare notes.
up here in north London the Dwight School is a good option for international families. Its IB and my DC love it. By the way have you read about the abuse case at Southbank - must be very hard for them!
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