Is an all girls secondary after mixed primary a mistake?(39 Posts)
My DDs father and I are separated (since she was born) we have a good amicable relationship and agree that due to where we live, a private secondary education is a good idea. He can afford to fund this, but the "extras" will be largely up to me.
The problem is that the city in which we live has a surprisingly limited choice of secondary private education. The obvious choice is an all girls school which is very close to our homes and has a good reputation. It's not hugely expensive or selective and has a friendly atmosphere. The nice thing is that the girls are from a very mixed bag of backgrounds, some mega-rich, but largely "normal" working families (which would be us!).
My reservation is that it's all girls! I went to a mixed comp so I have no idea if this is a good idea or not. DDs dad is not keen on the idea and wants mixed-sex.
In theory I am happy with that but the problem is that in practise there is no reasonable alternative. In the city there are two other private schools, one is a very highly respected, highly selective, very sporty major public school (also very expensive!). It has only been mixed for a while so I think it is still majority boys. The other is a huge imposing very prestigious girls school which is out of the question.
How do I put it to DDs dad that the only option is the local girls school? I can't see DD at the mixed one. It's just so not her (or me, or him either!).
Aside from that, she is currently at a local state primary, is it a bad idea to think that she can go private at year 7 or should we be looking at moving her before? Because of the area we live in, she certain,y won't be the only one from her school going private!
Sorry for the essay, this is something that is worrying me a lot at the moment...
We are in a similar situation in that I favour mixed but don't have huge choice.
Also whilst I thought it was going to be a secondary school option, now my DD is in in Y3 I am starting to think we won't be able to wait that long, because I can see the gap "widening". I know many who do manage it but not without tutoring (either bought or at home) unless her primary school is fantastic (ours isn't, very patchy education).
What year is your DD in?
With regards to mixed vs same sex, what does your DD say? My DD doesn't like the idea much.
I went to a state primary from 4-11 and a girls day school after that. It wasn't an issue at all. I don't know what people have against girls schools! Just means you get on with work and friendships without thinking about boys! It also makes girls feel more sure of themselves I think. Eg we played hockey and football but when I went to 6th form (which was mixed) those sports were only for boys and girls couldn't play them. Before that I hadn't really had a concept of things being for boys and other things for girls!
I went to state primaries from 4-11 then a state girls' high school, and it was hell. Take any usual bullying/bitchiness and ramp it up to times about a thousand, ime. Would never send any dd of mine to a girls' school!
Personally I have nothing against all girls' schools, but it does depend on the child. My DD for example loves the company of boys, never has all girls birthday parties like most of her friends do, plays more with boys than girls etc so I think that it would be quite difficult to her to be in an all girls environment.
Her current school is really very good, a lot of parents here will choose it over private as it has such a good reputation. That said, it is very very big and the junior part is not as great as the infants.
DD is 6 so it's a while till we have to make a final decision, but if she is going to start earlier than yr7 it's not that far off...
To be honest, I think she would actually love the all-girls aspect. She is a very gentle, studious, arty type. Not hugely physical or sporty at the moment. She does get on fine with boys, just not the boisterous ones! Her friends at school are all girls and she would know a few girls at the girls school already anyway. Not sure about the mixed school, possibly know one boy who might go there...
My dd is much much less socially boy mature than her friends from primary. WO went to the mixed high school.
Not all the girls at her all girls grammar are, but a lot ARE.
I actually went there too and it didnt hold me back boy wish, however, we were less exposed to stuff in the olden golden 80's
It's the bitchyness I'm worried about really I suppose! Plus in terms of boys etc, everyone keeps saying "oh the private school girls are the worst of the lot"
Personally I think you have to look at the needs of your child.
I went to a girls junior which I hated and vowed never to send DD to a single sex school. DP went to a single sex senior school and got on fine. Someone pointed out that although I had a bad time in a single sex school doesn't mean DD would. I don't see why your DD would have a problem with a single sex school. Also academically they do better on the whole when apart. I guess as long as she does mixed extra caricular activities there shouldn't be a problem.
My elder daughter goes to an all girls school - she has not been bullied there - but we did have to move her from her mixed primary school due to bullying.
In other words, bullying goes on in mixed schools as well as single sex schools.
I don't see any particular problem with switching from a mixed school to a single sex one. If you lived where I do, you wouldn't really have much choice in the matter because almost all local secondaries are single sex.
All the evidence suggests that girls do better in a single sex environment.
I went to a mixed comprehensive for 2 years then an expensive private girls school for the rest and I must say the girls at the private school were a lot more boy obsessed and
wilder than the girls in the mixed school. (I stayed friends when I left) I went to some seriously out of control parties at the houses of some very rich girls!
I went to a mixed primary, then a mixed secondary for two years and then a girls' comp for my final 5 years. All state schools. I was so glad to get to the girls' school, as I could do my science and maths without getting gyp from the boys about it, and even from some of the teachers!
Girls' schools mean that your DD could study what she wanted without gender bias or stereotyping creeping in. Or being teased by boys for not doing 'appropriate' girly subjects. Yes, girls can be a bit bitchy but so can girls at a mixed as well.
I'm pretty much sold on all girls, the trouble is that I have to convince my ex. I'm actually fairly sure that when we actually get to the visiting stage, he'll be won over... Hopefully anyway
I did both. Mixed comp up to 15, then all girls to A level. Much preferred the atmosphere in the girls school. And quite honestly, the lack of boys was a bonus. When I was 12,13,14,15 I was a good head taller than the boys in my class and found them embarrassing. They really were boys an didn't catch up in maturity for a good while.
My dd1 is in yr1 at an all girls school and loves it. I have no issues about her not seeing boys in the classroom.
As for waiting for yr7, your concern may be justified OP. at my daughter's school there was so much interest from parents for yr6 that they created an extra class. Parents realised it would be a good investment for their dc to catch up a bit and have a near guaranteed entry into the senior school by starting a year early.
If it is in the BN area I know the schools you are referring too. I used to think really highly of the girls school and was only going to consider it for my daughter who is in year 6 at the moment but I have heard certain things that have really changed my mind plus there are quite a few girls in the current year 6 at the junior school who want to leave. My daughter went for a taster day and didn't like it at all she is now going to a small private co ed school in a nearby town which my son attends and loves. I am so happy with my choice for both children. If it is not BN area then disregard this message. Any more info required please contact me.
You are spot on with the area. Is it that obvious?
I went from a mixed primary to an all-girls grammar school in the late 70's to mid 80's. I loved it and would have hated to have been in a mixed school. I've always tended to get on better with males on a social level but I was glad to see the back-end of them in classroom terms, come the final part of my last year in primary school. My view never wavered throughout GS - the boys we came across from the boys' grammar, were geeks or arrogant twerps - bleurghhhh
DD2 will hopefully be going to the all girls' GS this year and I feel sure she'll continue to thrive without boys in the class I know that bitchiness can rear its ugly head but I can't see that it's going to be any worse than what DD1 suffered at mixed secondary. Anyway, hormones have been rampant and causing immense "boyfriend/girlfriend" problems for DD2's class for the last 18 months...I'll be glad to have her away from that distraction in the classroom
We have done exactly this with dd and 5 years in have no regrets. However we focussed on the right school for dd rather than looking at co-ed/all girls. She also got a place at a co-ed school with similar academic standards, but her choice was the all girls school, it was smaller (half the size) and in her opinion had a good "feel". It was also very highly thought of for music provision which was important to dd. The co-ed school was also very good for music but not quite as good.
DD is a sensitive hard working girl who at 10/11 just found boys a bit of a nuisance. So the absence of boys was a bonus to her!
However this all girls school is partner to an all boys school and they do lots of extracurricular stuff together and also 6th form is co-ed in order to prepare them for uni, real life etc so not complete segregation.
My DD goes to a girls-only secondary school. It hasn't been a problem for us/her since she mixes with boys at her extra curricular activities.
I went to an all-girls secondary, and whilst I did enjoy it I do remember us all being hugely boy-obsessed. Possibly times have changed, with lots more extra-curricular opportunities to mix socially with boys helping.
I think it depends on the child, tbh, and on the school.
We're thinking dd1 may go private at Y7, if the local comp hasn't improved sufficiently by then (she's in Y4 now). She adores her primary, and it is just right for her - so we've taken the risk and will deal with secondary as it comes.
I do think single sex/mixed is not as important as it just being the right school.
A lot of girls in ds1's primary school made a similar change and judging from their FB updates they love it.
Single sex education is supposed to be best for girls from an academic point of view and if most of her current friends are girls then that's a bigger friendship pool?
My da1 is equally friendly with boys and girls so I would choose co-ed but many boys will have sisters/ neighbours/ friends at the local girls school so he'd still meet them socially. He is at a mixed comp but meets people from 2 other local comps all the time so Si think it's normal.
DD (Y4) is at a mixed primary and will probably go to a girls' secondary as we feel it's the best school for her.
Both state, although that doesn't really make much difference to the question you're asking.
Things I like about the girls' school:
The freedom to be good at any subject without sexist pressure, e.g. Physics, Maths
Less distraction during lessons and no complications of having to share lessons with potential, current or past boyfriends
No classmates sending you sexually inappropriate texts, asking you for naked photos or pressurising you for fellatio in the toilets.
I realise that these are not a problem in every mixed secondary school, but all of them have happened to friends' daughters in the one that DD would be going to.
I don't see how this would be an issue. Most selective schools are single sex aren't they? They are around here.
Co-ed independent schools around here - selective and less (but still) selective.
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