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Kids boost their chances by getting charity work on their CV, good or bad

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zippitippitoes · 10/09/2005 17:01

I was interested to read this article from the US and as all things American come over here, sooner rather than later, do your kids do volunteering or would they do it more if they thought it was boosting their prospects?

Do the reasons matter?

New York Times: Altruism or Self Serving

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suedonim · 10/09/2005 17:52

Is that the right link, Zippi? It's about the name Katrina, not volunteering.

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zippitippitoes · 10/09/2005 17:57

Dozy brain me
Thanks for pointing that out Suedonim...

Try this New York Times Idealistic or Realistic

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Ladymuck · 10/09/2005 17:58

Not sure whether it is that "new" in the UK - certainly my school had a "community service" scheme to which all pupils were expected to commit some time (I learnt Makaton from working in a centre which was testing adults with Downs for hearing difficulties). Most pupils went on to do more than the minimum, but probably wouldn't have bothered at all if there wasn't a minimum.

I think many independent schools still have similar schemes these days.

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zippitippitoes · 10/09/2005 18:07

This is the start of it if you can't read it on there

By ALEX WILLIAMS
Published: September 11, 2005
LYNN GROSSMAN, a writer in Manhattan who is married to the actor Bob Balaban, comes from a long line of social activists. Her mother joined the civil rights movement, and she herself marched in protest of the Vietnam War. But she said that things had changed by the time her eldest daughter, Mariah, now 27, came of age.



Steve Ruark for The New York Times
PROVIDING SHELTER Michael Swirnow, left, and Greg Becker have been working with Habitat for Humanity to buy a house for a needy family in Baltimore.
For many in Mariah's generation, community service was little more than a requirement that private schools imposed for graduation. Some took brief working vacations in places like Costa Rica, or the Caribbean island of Dominica, where they helped build roads and houses. "These kids had never seen a hammer before," Ms. Grossman said with a laugh. "I don't know what they did aside from get suntans."

Now, she said, "things are completely different."

As an eighth grader, her youngest daughter, Hazel, transformed a basement storage room in a Brooklyn homeless shelter into a library stocked with 5,000 volumes. At 13, she mobilized her fellow students to paint walls, hire librarians and design a functioning library-card system linked to a computer database. "We were floored," Ms. Grossman said. "And it's not just Hazel. A lot of kids out there are like this. They are like C.E.O.'s of community service."

Hazel Balaban, now a freshman at Connecticut College in New London, spent her first days on campus last week trying to organize a bake sale for victims of Hurricane Katrina. "It's almost expected," she said. "With the Internet and 24-hour TV, you just see all these problems. They're everywhere."

Hazel is at the leading edge of a generation whose sense of community involvement was born four years ago on Sept. 11, 2001. The attacks spurred an unprecedented outpouring of donations and volunteerism from Americans. Since then teenagers have witnessed the deadly Florida hurricane season of 2004, the more than 150,000 killed by the tsunami in Asia last December, and now Katrina. Encouraged by an increasing number of high schools with community service requirements and further motivated by college admissions offices looking for reasons to choose one honor student over another, teenagers are embracing social activism with the zeal of missionaries and the executive skills of seasoned philanthropists. Not only are more students participating, educators say, the scale of ambition seems to be continually increasing.

"We've seen a shift in the zeitgeist away from what you would call 'community service' and more into social action," said Tom Krattenmaker, a spokesman for Swarthmore College near Philadelphia. "It's not just about working in a soup kitchen," he said, but about "creating new programs, shooting higher."

GREGORY PYKE, the senior associate dean of admission at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Conn., said that one recent applicant had started a Web-based initiative to collect eyeglasses - thousands of pairs - to be passed along to the needy in underprivileged countries. Another created a large-scale program to collect and refurbish discarded computers before passing them along to the poor. "The number of discussions where a dean is pulling us aside and saying, 'You have to hear about what this kid has done' has also gone up," he said.

While cynics - and not a few colleges - may question whether the young people initiating such grand projects are looking to impress admissions officers, Mr. Pyke said he thought that most of the motivation was altruistic. "These are kids who are aware of many ways in which world is a pretty lousy place," he said. "They want to exercise more authority in the world than adults give them credit for."

Educators, sociologists and parents explain the outpouring of youthful philanthropy by noting that this generation has been bombarded not only by bad news, all of which seems to demand an immediate response, but by calls to action from political leaders and celebrities. Disaster relief, unlike opposition to the Vietnam War, which stirred many in their parents' generation, is uncontroversial and encourages wide-scale participation. And once roused, young people have greater tools at their disposal, particularly the Internet, to expand projects.

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Anteater · 10/09/2005 18:44

'Non Vocational' secondary education teaches one to drink and shag, whats the point in helping others to improve an already near useless CV?

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soapbox · 10/09/2005 18:47

Not a new concept in the UK at all. Most big recruiters will look for evidence of self-motivation and since charity work is unpaid then it is good evidence of self motivation.

Even better is if it is mixed in with displaying leadership qualities, such as Operation Raleigh or similar.

One of the reasons I chose my DCs school is that they have to do charity work in the local community once they are in senior school. I think it is an imporant ethos to impart to our children that helping others makes us feel good about ourselves as well as making others feel good about themselves too!

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suedonim · 10/09/2005 19:08

Certainly my 18yo dd's school does various charity projects - I don't recall my own school ever doing anything in the way of volunteer work. I think dd and friends get involved because they're interested, not particularly to boost their personal statements for uni; I can't think that dd even included them, tbh. An exception to that is those wanting to do medicine or vet med, as experience is very desirable for those applicants.

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Nevada · 10/09/2005 19:11

zippi - I think I'm the dozy brain. I read the entire article before I realised!

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Rarrie · 12/09/2005 17:32

Agree with the nothing new. When I was at College in the early 90s, we were encouraged to do a range of extra courses to supplement our 'A' level studies. Of which, Community (voluntary) service was one of them. It certainly helped me to get to uni and pass my interview!

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mumeeee · 12/09/2005 21:24

My eldest DD was encouraged to do voluntary work in the 6th form and was told this would be an asset when applying for university. She put it into her personnel statment on he UCAS application form. She helps out at the local riding school with riding for the disabled.

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QueenOfQuotes · 12/09/2005 21:28

Oh god yes - it's been like that for years. Works for University Applications too.

I got deferred unconditional entry to 4 of the top Scottish Uni's and I was assure without a doubt that part of that reason was because I was doing something 'worthwhile' with my time.

(sorry haven't read the article)

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nooka · 12/09/2005 22:23

My school did this too, and so did my big sister's, so as an idea teenagers and young adults doign voluntary work has been around for a long time (my sister is in her 40's now). Maybe it's more the activism bit they are suggesting is new? We did marches as teenagers, but I think that sort of political activism has mainly dies down, so maybe this is the new thing in that respect?

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Caligula · 12/09/2005 22:45

Speaking in my professional capacity, may I just comment on how much I loathe and detest people who volunteer just for the sake of their CV's?

They tend to be younger volunteers (IE under 40) and what happens, is that they apply, I do all the paperwork, references, CRB checks etc., and get them integrated into one of my volunteer groups. They are usually the least reliable volunteers, without any real commitment to the concept of what they've signed up for, so their presence in a group makes that group slightly shakier and weaker. After about six to nine months, they drop out altogether, leaving the vulnerable elderly people they work with confused and disappointed, and the group minus a driver and more unstable than when they entered the group. And then I have to go through the whole process all over again and hoping that next time round, I'll get someone who wants to volunteer because they've got some free time and want to volunteer, not because it looks good on a CV. Obviously for some volunteer posts it doesn't matter, but in the charity I work for, these people are a deeply disruptive bunch who I have now picked up antennae for and avoid like the plague - they do more harm than good. And I really mean that - they do damage.

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oops · 12/09/2005 22:52

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Tortington · 12/09/2005 23:44

i agree with caligula.

clean the railways is what i say to get points for uni.

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Skribble · 13/09/2005 00:03

I did loads of stuff as a teenager inc cook/ cleaner at activity centre, traidcraft and charity shop work.

I got great experience, learned new skills, helped the charities and got stuff to put on CV's.

I think everyone aged 16, 17, 18 should have to do somekind of volunteering or training if not working or studying. Like a sort of national service but without the marching or uniforms. It would mean everyone in that age group would legally be required to do "something".

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steffee · 13/09/2005 00:34

I volunteered in a dog shelter when I was 14-16, not because of my cv (I couldn't have cared less at that point and if I did I would have attended school a bit more lol) but because I wanted to help. For some reason I'm terrified of dogs now even though there were no incidents at this dog shelter, and all the dogs were lovely.

I then joined my parish council when I was 17 because I was friends with the (then) mayor of the city I lived in. I loved it and stayed until it closed when I was 21 (and still didn't start it for my cv, but it became apparent when I applied to university that it was a respectable quality).

Then I volunteered in a hospice for a project run by timebank called 13 days (before that I started in a soup kitchen which I hated) but that was very hard and when I moved house I didn't find another.

Now I am looking for more voluntary work, and admittedly it is for my cv, but I'm looking for admin or something if possible, and I don't think I'll let anyone down with it (not planning on leaving anyway, I can spare half a day a week even when I do get a job)

Is the Duke of Edinburgh award still going? I wish I'd done that at school and college, it sounded great!

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Skribble · 13/09/2005 00:36

As a teenager i never thought about my CV just liked the free horse riding I got.

But I say good luck to them if they are thinking that far ahead, whatever their reasons for doing it at least they are doing something.

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Tortington · 13/09/2005 12:15

nooooo it just jepordises the project where they are working if they are not interested. it jeopordises the reputation and the viability of the project, it can leave people standing and projects failing becuase some spotty 16 year old decided fuck it i cant be arsed.

you should only volunteer if you want to and have an interest in that particular organisation whether its youth, older care ..whatever.

thats why i say make then clean the railways - no one else is and they are disgusting. for every mile they make nice they get a point. the more points they get the more highly values they are when it comes toa university place. that way kids who really want a university place will work before school, after school. holidays etc etc.

this will mean that we wont see a large proportion of teenagers for some years. excellent

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Tortington · 13/09/2005 12:16

and those children wh have had mummy and daddy doing everything for them will have to work hard too boo hoo

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Caligula · 13/09/2005 12:29

Agree with Custy. It's OK if people who don't really want to volunteer are working with stuff where it doesn't really matter when they drop in and out, but when they're working on a project which requires team-work, or working with vulnerable people, people who volunteer for any other reason that they really want to do it, are a liability.

Quite often by its nature, volunteering is working with vulnerable people. Sometimes, it's working with people who have been let down over and over again, which is why they've come into a situation where they need a volunteer to support them. If that volunteer then lets them down as well, then they've been part of the problem, not part of the solution. And I'd like to stick their effing CV's where the sun don't shine, frankly - it's just selfish and cynical, and it's masquerading as being caring. It makes me mad, mad mad (can you guess? )

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suedonim · 13/09/2005 15:15

I agree with what people are saying about some volunteers causing difficulties on projetcs. But, given that it's the unis who are demanding such items on applicants CV's, it's hardly surprising some of the volunteers are reluctant and don't give 100%. It's hardly their fault they're virtually being press-ganged into volunteer work. It's just another hurdle for them to get over. I also think it's difficult for a 16/17yo to understand the consequences of their actions in picking up and dropping activities. They're still at the stage of thinking the world revolves round them and are not yet adult enough to realise the effects. My dd1 is now 18 and to compare her today with a couple of years ago is like chalk and cheese, she's matured so much in less than two years.

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tarantula · 13/09/2005 15:28

Why does it have to be voluntary then? Surely if you have got a kid with a part time job/summer job who is working hard so that s/he can pay towards their uni fees then thats just as good isnt? that does leave much room to be a volunteer now does it? and it Shows more comitment to me than some kid expecting Mammy and Daddy to pay everything or winging it with a loan.

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zippitippitoes · 13/09/2005 15:43

the other side of the coin is why do some schemes require you to pay and are set up in such a way that only the privileged can join them and I'm not entirely sure that some of these gap year projects are really beneficial to the local communities more glorified holidays

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